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Ive gone from 60 - 30mg. I have been wanting to wean down more. But I was waiting for a bit more stability in my body. I know how bad they are but Im scared to rock the boat anymore at the moment. Im hoping soon to start tapering down. I bought empty capsules to do it.

Was on 30mg (Lexapro) for 7-8yrs20mg for 3 months (This was my choice my Doc wanted me to drop much faster)15 mg 2week10mg 2 weeks 5 mg 1 week0 since August 24th . PPI Dexlant  30 mg taper has begun. Cutting 20% currently.  using zantac as needed.  Benzo is currently 0.10mg 

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Mort, Could you have b12 deficiency due to dexilants and due to withdrawal?  

 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/10807-i-recovered-with-b12-injections-after-3-years-of-hell/

Citalopram 40mg from 2003-2015

Jan 2015 started tapering first dropped to 35mgFeb 30mg, March 25mgApril 20mg, May 17,5mg, June 15mgJuly 12,5mg, Aug 12,5mg,

Sep 0mg for 5 days because of stomac flu and after I raised to 7,5mg. All the symptoms of acute WD shaking, diarrhea, vomiting, barely could walk ect. Still didn't realize that it wasn't only stomac flu but I was also going through WD.

Oct 2,5mg and crashed again badly and quickly raised to 4mg. It was then when I knew my symptoms were due to WD.

Then in November after a month holding on 4mg raised to 5mg due to muscle weakness and had a VERY BAD reaction to reinstatement: akathisia(lasted for one or two weeks), insomnia, anhedonia... Drop quicly back to 4mg, Dec 3mg

Jan 2016 2,6mg( in the middle of Jan after I had been on 2,6mg for a week I tried to updose to 2,8mg and immediately had bad reaction to it: akathisia for a day, andehonia got worse. The next day dropped back to 2,6mg), Feb 2,4mg( a new symptom PGAD lasted 24/7 for 2 months after that on and off), March 2,4mg, April 2,3mg, May 2,2mg, June 2,1mg, July 2,0mg( Pgad almost nonexisting, sleeping pretty good, still some anhedonia but there has been a lot of gradual progress), Aug 1,97mg-1,89mg, Sep 1,88mg-1,49mg, Oct 1,48mg- 1,70mg,

Nov 0,65mg- current dose 0,5mg

 

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My blood work was good with b12, thyroid and all that.

Was on 30mg (Lexapro) for 7-8yrs20mg for 3 months (This was my choice my Doc wanted me to drop much faster)15 mg 2week10mg 2 weeks 5 mg 1 week0 since August 24th . PPI Dexlant  30 mg taper has begun. Cutting 20% currently.  using zantac as needed.  Benzo is currently 0.10mg 

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Mort, what about calcium? I have been on dairy free diet for many years without any calcium supplements. About a month ago I started to take calcium citrate daily together with magnesium and vitamin D. Since then I have gotten my muscle strength back and i think calcium has helped partly. I know too much calcium is not good either but i have read that dexilants can alter to osteoporosis.  

Citalopram 40mg from 2003-2015

Jan 2015 started tapering first dropped to 35mgFeb 30mg, March 25mgApril 20mg, May 17,5mg, June 15mgJuly 12,5mg, Aug 12,5mg,

Sep 0mg for 5 days because of stomac flu and after I raised to 7,5mg. All the symptoms of acute WD shaking, diarrhea, vomiting, barely could walk ect. Still didn't realize that it wasn't only stomac flu but I was also going through WD.

Oct 2,5mg and crashed again badly and quickly raised to 4mg. It was then when I knew my symptoms were due to WD.

Then in November after a month holding on 4mg raised to 5mg due to muscle weakness and had a VERY BAD reaction to reinstatement: akathisia(lasted for one or two weeks), insomnia, anhedonia... Drop quicly back to 4mg, Dec 3mg

Jan 2016 2,6mg( in the middle of Jan after I had been on 2,6mg for a week I tried to updose to 2,8mg and immediately had bad reaction to it: akathisia for a day, andehonia got worse. The next day dropped back to 2,6mg), Feb 2,4mg( a new symptom PGAD lasted 24/7 for 2 months after that on and off), March 2,4mg, April 2,3mg, May 2,2mg, June 2,1mg, July 2,0mg( Pgad almost nonexisting, sleeping pretty good, still some anhedonia but there has been a lot of gradual progress), Aug 1,97mg-1,89mg, Sep 1,88mg-1,49mg, Oct 1,48mg- 1,70mg,

Nov 0,65mg- current dose 0,5mg

 

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Ya the calcium is okay aswell. Its so hard to pinpoint what is causing what. Everything I read makes me think I have that problem and need to fix it. I was dehydrated for almost 2 weeks off and on. I actually did go to doctor almost to the hospital aswell. I was looking at a million things of what may have caused it. And as fast as it came it just banished! My stomach was the worst part of my withdrawal for the first for 10 months. Than it got way better and kept getting better . Almost 80%normal on good days. Just since Wednesday it's been awful again. I haven't changed my diet, so now I spend most of the days thinking I have a histamine intolerance. Its like the same song and dance anytime any symptom gets stronger. Maybe I need to stop chasing my symptoms and making myself more sick than I am. This withdrawal is a beast by itself and I think I am adding to it by worrying about the WHAT IFS. Im kinda getting sick of myself!

Was on 30mg (Lexapro) for 7-8yrs20mg for 3 months (This was my choice my Doc wanted me to drop much faster)15 mg 2week10mg 2 weeks 5 mg 1 week0 since August 24th . PPI Dexlant  30 mg taper has begun. Cutting 20% currently.  using zantac as needed.  Benzo is currently 0.10mg 

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I think this is what ive found so frustrating about Withdrawal. I always think there is something I need to fix or add to my diet/supplements in order to improve. OR the reason im in a bad wave is because all of sudden the same things ive been eating during me getting better is now the cause of a wave. Maybe I am getting in the way?

Was on 30mg (Lexapro) for 7-8yrs20mg for 3 months (This was my choice my Doc wanted me to drop much faster)15 mg 2week10mg 2 weeks 5 mg 1 week0 since August 24th . PPI Dexlant  30 mg taper has begun. Cutting 20% currently.  using zantac as needed.  Benzo is currently 0.10mg 

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It is frustrating because things change just when you think you have a handle on it boom it does not work any longer that really gets on my nanny... 

 

A couple of things have generally always been at least somewhat helpful.  Tiny amounts of magnesium citrate I grind it up and take bit ya I am real scientific in my measuring it is a 300mg tablet one ground up last me a wk or so - any more and I can't lift my arms up with out great effort.. last time I took 300mg I spent the entire wk on the couch watching tv. my body was too heavy to bother moving much. 

Taurine I have read sometimes it makes others racey if they take it day after day I keep it for times when I feel like I have too much coffee I take about one quarter or a now 500 mg capsule. 

Gut health is important and I have done some long hours of research on probiotics... more on that later.  The first gut treatment that helped me was 4 cups of water in the morning yes 4 then brush your teeth well in 15 minutes eat within the hour... I know it sounds odd it is called water therapy at that time I could not eat much this helped me. 

Pedialyte for babies was the first thing that helped me it gets expensive is just sugar not food...boiled carrots I ate them for awhile with chicken broth.

Later I found a cup of warm water with the juice of half a lemon helped till I had some antibiotics mess up my gut since then the lemon bothers me.  

Bran the old kind not the buds check my thread you will see the differnce in the B vitamins on the label 

Probiotics natural factors acidoph...bifidi ...somehting. or other in the fridge in the health food store think...there have been times I think they are kind of turning on me I stop them till I feel I need them again runs for sure take them... 

Bio Gaia... is L. Reuteri tried that for second go not sure... 

 

The fact is things change in wd all the time if it were not for that we would be done much faster I think.  Which makes me think there is a lot of damage done that needs to heal and the body needs certain things to heal one subset of issues and it will change when the old cube shifts... or that is how it seems to me that is my yearly reality. 

peace B

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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Maybe I need to stop chasing my symptoms and making myself more sick than I am. This withdrawal is a beast by itself and I think I am adding to it by worrying about the WHAT IFS.

 

I think this is what ive found so frustrating about Withdrawal. I always think there is something I need to fix or add to my diet/supplements in order to improve. OR the reason im in a bad wave is because all of sudden the same things ive been eating during me getting better is now the cause of a wave. Maybe I am getting in the way?

 

It's just the nature of the human brain to try and problem-solve.  In many situations this is a good thing, but in w/d it can drive us crazy over-thinking everything.

2001–2002 paroxetine

2003  citalopram

2004-2008  paroxetine (various failed tapers) 
2008  paroxetine slow taper down to

2016  Aug off paroxetine
2016  citalopram May 20mg  Oct 15mg … slow taper down
2018  citalopram 13 Feb 4.6mg 15 Mar 4.4mg 29 Apr 4.2mg 6 Jul 4.1mg 17 Aug 4.0mg  18 Nov 3.8mg
2019  15 Mar 3.6mg  21 May 3.4mg  26 Dec 3.2mg 

2020  19 Feb 3.0mg 19 Jul 2.9mg 16 Sep 2.8mg 25 Oct 2.7mg 23 Oct 2.6mg 24 Dec 2.5mg

2021   29 Aug 2.4mg   15 Nov 2.3mg

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I just wanna say thanks for all the support. I got hit with a nasty wave since last Wednesday and It caught me off guard.  It was a different wave which seems to be the case with every wave. They are all different , The akathisia was the main culprit but my whole system went down and I was out of commish. The intrusive thoughts were back after a long time and they  scared me.  Meanwhile I was driving myself nuts about what could have caused the wave.  I have a strong support system at home and they really helped me out.  I feel like the wave is starting to let up now. It definitely felt like my worst wave to date.  I can feel when I get caught up with the akathisia it sends me in panic mode. When I separate myself from it and say it's part of the process  it's not me and it shall pass. It does! I can't believe how much your attitude  can play a part in riding the waves 

 

I went back to my place Saturday after living with my parents since I was having the dehydration issues 3 weeks or so ago. Well I brought a lamp and a humidifier and left Sunday night dehydrated!  Maybe they are pumping way too much heat in the house. Hopefully I can get this figured out cause I love my place when Im okay enough to be there. Having the option of sleeping at two places has been a great way to distract yourself. Sometimes a change of scenery goes along way.   

 

I can feel my body really trying to adjust lately.  I feel like something good is around the corner.  I am supposed to go to LA with my family at the end of February and it may be a long shot to go but you never know. I feel like I probably need to improve 10% in 6 weeks.  

Was on 30mg (Lexapro) for 7-8yrs20mg for 3 months (This was my choice my Doc wanted me to drop much faster)15 mg 2week10mg 2 weeks 5 mg 1 week0 since August 24th . PPI Dexlant  30 mg taper has begun. Cutting 20% currently.  using zantac as needed.  Benzo is currently 0.10mg 

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hi stitch! sorry to hear your stomach is still upset, as you know, even one dose of Nexium(anti acid medicine) can cause me feeling extreme nausea for 3 days! And stomach problem is worsening my anxiety too much! So what we can do is be patient and relax, not to think your stomach too much. By the way, what exaclty feeling are you having when your stomach is not well? Usually my feeling is full, indigestive, burping, sometimes nausea after having some spicy food.

2006 October Zoloft 50mg for anxiety.

2013 March Lexapro 10mg for 18 months to 2015 September.

2015 September increased to 20mg for 7 weeks but getting worse. 3rd November dropped back to 10mg

2016 11th November taper to 9mg

2017 3rd March Taper to 8.8mg, then Fast taper start: 10th-8.6mg, 12th-8.2mg, 17th-8.0mg, 22rd-7.7mg, 27th-7.4mg.

April 2nd- 6.9mg (WD start), 19th-6.5mg. Failed one day Cymbalta trial, took back Lexapro, much worse Akathisia torture. Keep holding. 

May 22nd- 6.3mg, June 10th- 5.7mg, Nov- 4.4mg, Dec- 4.3mg,

2018 Jan- 4.1mg 

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Hey Rain its okay it will get better and your right its best not to think about it. When I went from 30mg to 5mg in roughly 2-3 months that's when my stomach problems started. I had a severe pain, full bloated stomach all the time, indigestion, nausea. Acid, my stomach was so sensitive nobody could touch it, i slept with a heat pack i went to the ER 3 TIMES i was in so much discomfort. I had to go on a liquid diet for 3 months. I had no idea what was happening to me,neither did my doctors. What i should have done was go up to 10mg and try and stabilize for awhile than taper off by 10% per month. But I stopped all my meds and suffered tremendously. It got so much better after 10 months but I still haven't stabilized being off meds completely so I get lots of waves. Which means my symptoms get bad for a period of time as my body tries to correct itself. So right now my stomach is sensitive and a bit sore. I get full really fast with bad indigestion. But this only started back again a week ago.

 

But you will be able to avoid severe symptoms. I was just listening to my uneducated doctors.

Was on 30mg (Lexapro) for 7-8yrs20mg for 3 months (This was my choice my Doc wanted me to drop much faster)15 mg 2week10mg 2 weeks 5 mg 1 week0 since August 24th . PPI Dexlant  30 mg taper has begun. Cutting 20% currently.  using zantac as needed.  Benzo is currently 0.10mg 

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hello stitch, My doctor seems uneducated as well! but nothing i can do, tomorrow he might gave me some Benzo medicines, I may take it if i feel really not well... if i can stop lexapro and switch to a new SSRi to make me feel better, but I think maybe i am too stupid to think like this... :D

2006 October Zoloft 50mg for anxiety.

2013 March Lexapro 10mg for 18 months to 2015 September.

2015 September increased to 20mg for 7 weeks but getting worse. 3rd November dropped back to 10mg

2016 11th November taper to 9mg

2017 3rd March Taper to 8.8mg, then Fast taper start: 10th-8.6mg, 12th-8.2mg, 17th-8.0mg, 22rd-7.7mg, 27th-7.4mg.

April 2nd- 6.9mg (WD start), 19th-6.5mg. Failed one day Cymbalta trial, took back Lexapro, much worse Akathisia torture. Keep holding. 

May 22nd- 6.3mg, June 10th- 5.7mg, Nov- 4.4mg, Dec- 4.3mg,

2018 Jan- 4.1mg 

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Hey Rain its okay it will get better and your right its best not to think about it. When I went from 30mg to 5mg in roughly 2-3 months that's when my stomach problems started. I had a severe pain, full bloated stomach all the time, indigestion, nausea. Acid, my stomach was so sensitive nobody could touch it, i slept with a heat pack i went to the ER 3 TIMES i was in so much discomfort. I had to go on a liquid diet for 3 months. I had no idea what was happening to me,neither did my doctors. What i should have done was go up to 10mg and try and stabilize for awhile than taper off by 10% per month. But I stopped all my meds and suffered tremendously. It got so much better after 10 months but I still haven't stabilized being off meds completely so I get lots of waves. Which means my symptoms get bad for a period of time as my body tries to correct itself. So right now my stomach is sensitive and a bit sore. I get full really fast with bad indigestion. But this only started back again a week ago.

 

But you will be able to avoid severe symptoms. I was just listening to my uneducated doctors.

Sounds like cold turkey to me I still have gut issues.

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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Id say my gut is 80% on my better days but some waves makes my whole system sick. Other waves ive had my gut is still okay. But this last wave not so much. I think I would have had problems with my gut unless I took a few years to taper. Even then this might have happened. These meds are poison.

Was on 30mg (Lexapro) for 7-8yrs20mg for 3 months (This was my choice my Doc wanted me to drop much faster)15 mg 2week10mg 2 weeks 5 mg 1 week0 since August 24th . PPI Dexlant  30 mg taper has begun. Cutting 20% currently.  using zantac as needed.  Benzo is currently 0.10mg 

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Hey Rain I think if u stop the Lexapro and switch you might have more issues. Cause each ssri is different. So u will be withdrawing from one and having start up effects from the other. Whatever choice you make i hope it works for you

Was on 30mg (Lexapro) for 7-8yrs20mg for 3 months (This was my choice my Doc wanted me to drop much faster)15 mg 2week10mg 2 weeks 5 mg 1 week0 since August 24th . PPI Dexlant  30 mg taper has begun. Cutting 20% currently.  using zantac as needed.  Benzo is currently 0.10mg 

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Its definitely annoying though that for the last 6 months or so I've been able to eat what I want. And as much as I want with no pain or discomfort. Than out of nowhere I get nailed with a wave and dont Wanna eat anything

Was on 30mg (Lexapro) for 7-8yrs20mg for 3 months (This was my choice my Doc wanted me to drop much faster)15 mg 2week10mg 2 weeks 5 mg 1 week0 since August 24th . PPI Dexlant  30 mg taper has begun. Cutting 20% currently.  using zantac as needed.  Benzo is currently 0.10mg 

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hi stitch, today i still feeling bad, my heart beating goes up to 100bpm and i am too worrying about myself today. Yesterday I went to see a psychologist, that is my first time to do that, he asked me lots of questions about my past and I feel upset and nervous. Today My doctor gave me a medicine for slowing down the heart rate and the other one is for my stomach upset. But i am not taking them at the moment. Do you think I should still waiting without any medicine changes?

2006 October Zoloft 50mg for anxiety.

2013 March Lexapro 10mg for 18 months to 2015 September.

2015 September increased to 20mg for 7 weeks but getting worse. 3rd November dropped back to 10mg

2016 11th November taper to 9mg

2017 3rd March Taper to 8.8mg, then Fast taper start: 10th-8.6mg, 12th-8.2mg, 17th-8.0mg, 22rd-7.7mg, 27th-7.4mg.

April 2nd- 6.9mg (WD start), 19th-6.5mg. Failed one day Cymbalta trial, took back Lexapro, much worse Akathisia torture. Keep holding. 

May 22nd- 6.3mg, June 10th- 5.7mg, Nov- 4.4mg, Dec- 4.3mg,

2018 Jan- 4.1mg 

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Im so sorry Rain. We all know what your going through. If I were you I would continue to stay at that dose. It may take a bit longer to stabilize. What medicine did you get for heart rate? And for your stomach? I had my stomach symptoms improve so much. They just got worse during my wave.

Was on 30mg (Lexapro) for 7-8yrs20mg for 3 months (This was my choice my Doc wanted me to drop much faster)15 mg 2week10mg 2 weeks 5 mg 1 week0 since August 24th . PPI Dexlant  30 mg taper has begun. Cutting 20% currently.  using zantac as needed.  Benzo is currently 0.10mg 

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Hi stitch im happy to hear about that! That is courage for both of us! Today my heart rate went down too and stomach is all right too

2006 October Zoloft 50mg for anxiety.

2013 March Lexapro 10mg for 18 months to 2015 September.

2015 September increased to 20mg for 7 weeks but getting worse. 3rd November dropped back to 10mg

2016 11th November taper to 9mg

2017 3rd March Taper to 8.8mg, then Fast taper start: 10th-8.6mg, 12th-8.2mg, 17th-8.0mg, 22rd-7.7mg, 27th-7.4mg.

April 2nd- 6.9mg (WD start), 19th-6.5mg. Failed one day Cymbalta trial, took back Lexapro, much worse Akathisia torture. Keep holding. 

May 22nd- 6.3mg, June 10th- 5.7mg, Nov- 4.4mg, Dec- 4.3mg,

2018 Jan- 4.1mg 

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I guess im still in my wave. Last week I thought it was letting up slowly but here I am just waking up after being asleep for nearly 14 hours!  Ill take the sleep since I know I need it but I am unable to eat much. Even liquids upsets my gut right now.  This is almost exactly what happened when I first stopped the AD . Than it went away for many months and was slowly improving probably for 9 months. I was eating steak and lobster lol ! now I am back to having a tough time with water.. I feel like  Its  a shark attack  that at first attacked me and than let go. Than I started swimming to shore and 9 months later the shark comes back to attack me! horribe  comparison I know ..   I hope it lets up soon , Im due for a break :D  at the end of this month will be the 18 month mark.  

Was on 30mg (Lexapro) for 7-8yrs20mg for 3 months (This was my choice my Doc wanted me to drop much faster)15 mg 2week10mg 2 weeks 5 mg 1 week0 since August 24th . PPI Dexlant  30 mg taper has begun. Cutting 20% currently.  using zantac as needed.  Benzo is currently 0.10mg 

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To identify a food sensitivity, keep a food diary with notes about symptoms so you can see cause and effect.

 

An example of a low-histamine meal is simple cooked chicken, rice, and zucchini, as fresh as possible. No pepper, no garlic, no tomatoes, no soy sauce.

 

Plan to go on your trip to Los Angeles, you'll be surprised at how much you can do.

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Thanks Alto I will plan to go. I am a bit nervous about it though . Its a family trip but my brother and his wife aren't very supportive of me and we will be seeing alot of each other.

 

I have kept a food diary so I'm a bit perplexed. Ive tried to eat very high histamine foods when my gut was bad to see if it made it worse. But it didn't. I think when I get into a wave my gut just flares up being a sensitive point for me.

Was on 30mg (Lexapro) for 7-8yrs20mg for 3 months (This was my choice my Doc wanted me to drop much faster)15 mg 2week10mg 2 weeks 5 mg 1 week0 since August 24th . PPI Dexlant  30 mg taper has begun. Cutting 20% currently.  using zantac as needed.  Benzo is currently 0.10mg 

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Just an update for me . I had a much better day yesterday , I wasnt suffering at all , Listened to the radio , even ate some soup with organic bread on the side and it totally agreed with me. Its probably about -20 down here , its absolutley freezing but I bundled up and went outside grabbed my hockey stick and shot the ball around in the driveway. I was amazed at how coordinated I was and How smoothly I was able to play and I felt quit stronger than usual. I ended up going to sleep really early again about 5pm and woke up at 5 am . This pattern has continued for the last few days or so. I seem to be sleeping 12 hrs a day . I am sleeping so much without any weird nightmares which is so pleasant . 

 

Baby steps and Ill get there . Slow and steady wins the race. I know there has been some tough news around here latley with the loss of some members. I didnt even realize how many there were in the last few months . Its scary and makes me want to stay away from the site but on the other hand ,I  tell myself that any kind of trauma produces these results.  No matter what that trauma is. IF you go to a support site for people who recently got divorced or injured in a car accident to physical abuse or bullying Im sure the results are similiar. So stay positive , Be well my friends , go easy on yourselfs and we will get there .

 

Mort 

Was on 30mg (Lexapro) for 7-8yrs20mg for 3 months (This was my choice my Doc wanted me to drop much faster)15 mg 2week10mg 2 weeks 5 mg 1 week0 since August 24th . PPI Dexlant  30 mg taper has begun. Cutting 20% currently.  using zantac as needed.  Benzo is currently 0.10mg 

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Good perspectives Mort.  I also think about the fact that a lot more people are surviving because this site exists, than if we were all just scrambling round alone trying to work stuff out. 

 

I know I find it very hard to deal it with when we lose a person, but I also get energised to fight even more for those of us harmed by these drugs. 

 

I'm glad you have seen some improvements in your own life.

 

Hugs,

Karen

2010  Fluoxetine 20mg.  2011  Escitalopram 20mg.  2013 Tapered badly and destabilised CNS.  Effexor 150mg. 

2015 Begin using info at SurvivingAntidepressants.  Cut 10% - bad w/d 2 months, held 1 month. 

Micro-tapering: four weekly 0.4% cuts, hold 4 weeks (struggling with symptoms).

8 month hold.

2017 Micro-tapering: four weekly 1% cuts, hold 4 weeks (symptoms almost non-existent).

2020 Still micro-tapering. Just over 2/3 of the way off effexor. Minimal symptoms, - and sleeping well.
Supplements: Fish oil, vitamin C, iron, oat-straw tea, nettle tea.

2023 December - Now on 5 micro-beads Effexor. Minimal symptoms but much more time needed between drops. Symptoms begin to increase.

2024 April - Updosed to 6 microbeads - immediate increase in symptoms for 4 days. Decreased to 5 microbeads.

 'The possibility of renewal exists so long as life exists.'  Dr Gabor Mate.

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Thank you Karen, Hugs to you aswell:) your 100% right. This site is so amazing and I have no doubt that it saves tons of lives. All the best

 

Mort

Was on 30mg (Lexapro) for 7-8yrs20mg for 3 months (This was my choice my Doc wanted me to drop much faster)15 mg 2week10mg 2 weeks 5 mg 1 week0 since August 24th . PPI Dexlant  30 mg taper has begun. Cutting 20% currently.  using zantac as needed.  Benzo is currently 0.10mg 

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Mort - so good to read you had a good day and managed some driveway hockey!!

 

I know it is upsetting when we lose someone but we need to hear from people like you who are doing so well.Please don't stay away from the site - I enjoy reading your posts.

 

Your soup and organic bread sounded delicious. Just what is needed in those temps!!

 

Take care of yourself.

 

Flowers xxx

15 yrs on 20 to 30 mgs CITALOPRAM.  MAY 2014 Increased to 40 mgs per day.SEPT/NOV 2014 tapered in 6 weeks down to 10 mgs as per Dr instructions due to violent nightmares/palpitations.Given Noctamid (lormetazepam) to help with anxiety. On average took 2mg per day for 8 weeks.No taper was advised.DEC 2014 WD severe. Nervous tic in eyes and limbs, muscle pain,fluct  temp, weakness, dep and anxiety, nausea, giddy, unstable when walking. Different Dr suggested taking 20mgs CIT. BROMAZEPAM 3mgs up to 3 x daily for anxiety.DEC 9 2014 Updose CIT to 30mgs. Only taking BROMAZEPAM in emergency.DEC 31 2014 Settling at 30mg CIT - helping with depression. No Brom for 2wks.Found SA.APR 2015 Trying to stabilise on 30mgs CIT.  JAN 2016 Started Cit Taper reducing by 5% per month.  28.5 mgs 
FEB  Taper held bereavement. APR Taper resumed 27mgs . MAY 25.50 mgs .  JUNE 24 mgs .  JULY I stupidly mixed up my BP meds with CIT. Consequently took no CIT for 3 days and doubled my BP meds. Waiting for the fallout....Holding for a while until any chance of repercussions have abated. SEPT taper resumed to  22.5 mgs . OCT 21 mgs .NOV 19.95 mgs DEC crashed. 2017: FEB 3rd updose to 20.5 mgs to try to stabilise.FEB.switched over to 75mgs of Venlafaxine XR for 3 weeks.Too stimulating so switching back to Cit. 12 March 37.5 Ven and 20 Cit. 21 March 18mg Ven 20mg Cit. 4 April 9mg Ven 20mg Cit. Xanax .50mg when needed.  13 April 0 mgs Ven, 20mg Citalopram. Xanax .50 mg per day. 5 May reinstated a small amount of Ven to stabilize  1 mg twice a day. 20 mg Citalopram at night. Xanax .25 mg twice per day.Other Meds: Losartan (BP)Started 1993 at  50 mgs at night.  Seretide (Asthma) Started 1996 at 1 puff twice a day. Jan 2019 Antibiotic Ceclor 500mgs twice a day for bronchitis and  Atrovent 2ml capsules twice a day for asthma. Finished the course of both Jan 17. 

XANAX  Jan 27  - Feb 3 2019 Failed Valium Crossover.   Feb 14 2019  Updosed Xanax by .0625  Feb 17 2019 Decreased Xanax by .0625. Back to .50mg daily.  Update Xanax 28.2.20 tapered to .1250 mg 8am .25 mg midnight. Update Xanax 11.8.21 tapered to .25 mg at night. 

Current Meds 28.2.19: CITALOPRAM  20mg  taken at midnight. VENLAFAXINE  .9 mg twice a day at 8am and 10pm.  XANAX .50 mg split into 4 doses per day. 10am .0625mg / 2pm .1250mg/ 6pm .0625mg / midnight .25mg.Update 10.8.22 .25 mg at night.  LOSARTAN 50 mgs taken at midnight.  SERETIDE 1 puff taken at 8am and 10pm.   7.7.19 VENLAFAXINE UPDATE: Started tapering 10% every 4 weeks. Currently .4 mg twice a day at 8am and 10 pm.  2.9.19 .36 mg x 2. 1.10.19  .32 mg x 2. 26.11.19 .29 mg x2. 26.12.19 .26 mg  x 2. 23.1.20  .23 mg x 2.  20.2.20 .21 mg x2.20.3.20  .19 mg x 2. 21.4.20 .17 mg x 2. 19.5.20 .13 mg x 2.  18.6.20 .11mg  x 2 .18.7.20.10 mg x 2.1.9.20.09 mg x 2. 30.9. 20 .08 mg x 2. 1.11.20 .07 mg x 2.  2.12.20 .06 mg x 2.  8.1.21 .05 mg x 2.  4.2.21 .04 mg x 2. 9.3.21 .03 mgx2.  7.4.21  .02 mg x 2.  9.5.21 .01 mg x 2.  21.6.21 .01 mg x 1.  11.8.21 ZERO!

 

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Thanks so much for the well wishes Flower :) I wont stay away from the site , just a little less time thats it. Ill provide some great updates when they come!

Was on 30mg (Lexapro) for 7-8yrs20mg for 3 months (This was my choice my Doc wanted me to drop much faster)15 mg 2week10mg 2 weeks 5 mg 1 week0 since August 24th . PPI Dexlant  30 mg taper has begun. Cutting 20% currently.  using zantac as needed.  Benzo is currently 0.10mg 

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Looking forward to them already Mort.

 

xxxx

15 yrs on 20 to 30 mgs CITALOPRAM.  MAY 2014 Increased to 40 mgs per day.SEPT/NOV 2014 tapered in 6 weeks down to 10 mgs as per Dr instructions due to violent nightmares/palpitations.Given Noctamid (lormetazepam) to help with anxiety. On average took 2mg per day for 8 weeks.No taper was advised.DEC 2014 WD severe. Nervous tic in eyes and limbs, muscle pain,fluct  temp, weakness, dep and anxiety, nausea, giddy, unstable when walking. Different Dr suggested taking 20mgs CIT. BROMAZEPAM 3mgs up to 3 x daily for anxiety.DEC 9 2014 Updose CIT to 30mgs. Only taking BROMAZEPAM in emergency.DEC 31 2014 Settling at 30mg CIT - helping with depression. No Brom for 2wks.Found SA.APR 2015 Trying to stabilise on 30mgs CIT.  JAN 2016 Started Cit Taper reducing by 5% per month.  28.5 mgs 
FEB  Taper held bereavement. APR Taper resumed 27mgs . MAY 25.50 mgs .  JUNE 24 mgs .  JULY I stupidly mixed up my BP meds with CIT. Consequently took no CIT for 3 days and doubled my BP meds. Waiting for the fallout....Holding for a while until any chance of repercussions have abated. SEPT taper resumed to  22.5 mgs . OCT 21 mgs .NOV 19.95 mgs DEC crashed. 2017: FEB 3rd updose to 20.5 mgs to try to stabilise.FEB.switched over to 75mgs of Venlafaxine XR for 3 weeks.Too stimulating so switching back to Cit. 12 March 37.5 Ven and 20 Cit. 21 March 18mg Ven 20mg Cit. 4 April 9mg Ven 20mg Cit. Xanax .50mg when needed.  13 April 0 mgs Ven, 20mg Citalopram. Xanax .50 mg per day. 5 May reinstated a small amount of Ven to stabilize  1 mg twice a day. 20 mg Citalopram at night. Xanax .25 mg twice per day.Other Meds: Losartan (BP)Started 1993 at  50 mgs at night.  Seretide (Asthma) Started 1996 at 1 puff twice a day. Jan 2019 Antibiotic Ceclor 500mgs twice a day for bronchitis and  Atrovent 2ml capsules twice a day for asthma. Finished the course of both Jan 17. 

XANAX  Jan 27  - Feb 3 2019 Failed Valium Crossover.   Feb 14 2019  Updosed Xanax by .0625  Feb 17 2019 Decreased Xanax by .0625. Back to .50mg daily.  Update Xanax 28.2.20 tapered to .1250 mg 8am .25 mg midnight. Update Xanax 11.8.21 tapered to .25 mg at night. 

Current Meds 28.2.19: CITALOPRAM  20mg  taken at midnight. VENLAFAXINE  .9 mg twice a day at 8am and 10pm.  XANAX .50 mg split into 4 doses per day. 10am .0625mg / 2pm .1250mg/ 6pm .0625mg / midnight .25mg.Update 10.8.22 .25 mg at night.  LOSARTAN 50 mgs taken at midnight.  SERETIDE 1 puff taken at 8am and 10pm.   7.7.19 VENLAFAXINE UPDATE: Started tapering 10% every 4 weeks. Currently .4 mg twice a day at 8am and 10 pm.  2.9.19 .36 mg x 2. 1.10.19  .32 mg x 2. 26.11.19 .29 mg x2. 26.12.19 .26 mg  x 2. 23.1.20  .23 mg x 2.  20.2.20 .21 mg x2.20.3.20  .19 mg x 2. 21.4.20 .17 mg x 2. 19.5.20 .13 mg x 2.  18.6.20 .11mg  x 2 .18.7.20.10 mg x 2.1.9.20.09 mg x 2. 30.9. 20 .08 mg x 2. 1.11.20 .07 mg x 2.  2.12.20 .06 mg x 2.  8.1.21 .05 mg x 2.  4.2.21 .04 mg x 2. 9.3.21 .03 mgx2.  7.4.21  .02 mg x 2.  9.5.21 .01 mg x 2.  21.6.21 .01 mg x 1.  11.8.21 ZERO!

 

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hi Stitch, i am so happy to hear that you are getting better! It is a good news! I am doing all right these days, too, I think that is a window period for me maybe... Yesterday I ate with my friend because she gonna leave the country tomorrow, I know I will lose one of my best friend, she will never come back to Australia again. I ate a lot and drink lots of iced coke, my heart was beating fast and stomach was totally full, I went to sleep about 4:30am until my stomach was empty. It is not nice to do so and I said sorry to my body...  

2006 October Zoloft 50mg for anxiety.

2013 March Lexapro 10mg for 18 months to 2015 September.

2015 September increased to 20mg for 7 weeks but getting worse. 3rd November dropped back to 10mg

2016 11th November taper to 9mg

2017 3rd March Taper to 8.8mg, then Fast taper start: 10th-8.6mg, 12th-8.2mg, 17th-8.0mg, 22rd-7.7mg, 27th-7.4mg.

April 2nd- 6.9mg (WD start), 19th-6.5mg. Failed one day Cymbalta trial, took back Lexapro, much worse Akathisia torture. Keep holding. 

May 22nd- 6.3mg, June 10th- 5.7mg, Nov- 4.4mg, Dec- 4.3mg,

2018 Jan- 4.1mg 

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Just an update. I am having alot of ups and downs. My ups arent too good yet but they are better than they were.I have peace during these times. My waves are still very heavy. I am trying to spend a little less time on the site just to try and get away from this experience. Sometimes I find myself getting a bit too obsessive about the whole thing. I will make sure to provide any good updates. Thanks for everyone's support on here, you guys are truly an amazing community.

Was on 30mg (Lexapro) for 7-8yrs20mg for 3 months (This was my choice my Doc wanted me to drop much faster)15 mg 2week10mg 2 weeks 5 mg 1 week0 since August 24th . PPI Dexlant  30 mg taper has begun. Cutting 20% currently.  using zantac as needed.  Benzo is currently 0.10mg 

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Stay strong Mort.

Dont leave it too long for your next update.

Wishing you strength.

Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen

We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. 

URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting  for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing.

http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651   

Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos.

Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you

Recovering paxil addict

None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. 

This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! 

  "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped."  Dr Mosher. Me too! 

Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015

I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015

Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017

 

 

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Well its been a few weeks and Ive had the same up and down swings !  Ive had some solid moments of peace where my symptoms werent dominating my thought process. It really started to let up a bit to the point where I really noticed.But it doesnt last that long and its not a good wave but its more of the bad being gone ! My mom always tells me just shoot for the really bad days being gone . Dont look further than that. When those days are gone the recovery process will speed up. Ill take the really bad days being gone ! Its not there yet but hopefully soon. I am definatley following the classic waves and windows pattern. I havent seen a good day yet but Im hopeful its coming this summer , maybe sooner by my birthday  in April  but ill take any kind of improvements. I talk with my mother alot whos as strong a person as I know. And even though she hasnt been through as much as me in my life she seems to always know what to say to me to keep me upbeat and motivated. I could swear her spirit must be  well traveled and full of life experiences.. Sorry for going all spirateul . She talked my Aunt down from ending it all many many times . Mainly when she started to use Lexapro to help with her depression, it seemed to send her spiralingout of control and I obviously understand that well now. Starting and stopping these pills is when your at your most vulnerable. poolp out aswell. 

 

So my gut seems to be the focal point of my waves lately. Im back to having days when I can barley eat . When it hurts alot I get angry and agitated and I cant tolerate anybody . It kinda went away for 6 months or so. it showed its weakness before so I  know it will again. but it drives me nuts chasing supplements and new diets  thinking about what im doing wrong. To be honest I havent changed a thing. Ive eaten no diffferent than I did when my stomach was improving for 6 months .I find the "Chase " pretty damn frustrating . So when I feel like a bag of turds I just try and let it go eventhough its still damn strong right now. I get so dizzy I can barley walk. The weakness is also very strong  Iam limited to one outing a day as long as I feel okay. So 1 trip to the grocery store nothing else.or going to the movies.I have gotten in trouble trying to do a few things and my body gives out. . The Akathisia has really weakned alot and the neuro anxiety is very infrequent Nightmares are also a few times a week and have weakened. .. SO jsust by writing this post I can see how much things are constantly changing with me. I dont know how the recovery will go , I seem to think the energy and stomach will be the last to go. They were the first to come and have been the most prevalent during WD. I will starting my taper from my PPI this weekend eventhough I am not feeling to strong in my stomach. I just feel my diet is so clean that these pills are not needed . It will be a really slow taper as Ive been on these horrendous pills for I dont know 6 or 7 yrs .  I managed to go from 60mg to 30 mg and Ive been stuck on 30mg.  The only problem is My gut pain/discomfort causes more acid indigestion etc.. , so even though my diet is clean , the WD has affected my gut  enough that it doesnt matter . SO Ill give the taper a go ! 

 

 

I hope the next update I can tell you all that I am having no more BAD DAYS !!! 

 

My sleep has been excellent lately. Im sleeping 8-10 hrs a day ..SO im all over the map !!  I will update you guys 

Was on 30mg (Lexapro) for 7-8yrs20mg for 3 months (This was my choice my Doc wanted me to drop much faster)15 mg 2week10mg 2 weeks 5 mg 1 week0 since August 24th . PPI Dexlant  30 mg taper has begun. Cutting 20% currently.  using zantac as needed.  Benzo is currently 0.10mg 

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Quick update in Mortville for anyone following my progress.  I am 19 months out and I am feeling some improvements.  I still have almost all my heavy symptoms but they are noticeably weaker.  The extreme waves that can pummel your system for weeks on end or months seems to be gone. I get short waves that hit hard but dont last as long . Yesterday I got hit hard with Akathisia for about 1 or 2 hours . IT went away and didnt come back . Where as before it could last weeks and in extreme intensity. The physical weakness is still very bad. I cant push through it , it only results in extreme dizzyness and pretty much an inability to move. I will fall down and not be able to get up  if I go for too long a walk or stay out too long on my feet.   I am able to happily go for short walks or play outside gently with the hockey stick. I am guessing as time goes by this will continue to improve as long as I dont push too much. Early in WD I tried to do to much physically. I noticed lots of people on the site could exercise and go to work so I thought I could "build up" towards it   as I am able to push myself physically too the limits and as much as anybody can. But it only set me back. This has been the hardest part for me throughout this journey. Is having to preach patience rather than "going for it". It seems like you have to do whats in your limits. Everybody is effected so differently in WD .I think Ill know when I can push it in order to improve. Ill feel the sturdyness in my legs and body .RIght now is still damage control. Gently healing and being kind to myself. In the meantime I am enjoying the weakening of my symptoms . Its such a welcomed relief to not be in absolute chaos all the time. Maybe Im still not in good shape physically or mentally yet . I may have graduated from horrible too bad  and for whatever thats worth. But ill take it . Thanks for the support and every kind word Ive received .  I am looking forward to providing you guys with much better news this in the near future

 

Your Pal

Mort 

Was on 30mg (Lexapro) for 7-8yrs20mg for 3 months (This was my choice my Doc wanted me to drop much faster)15 mg 2week10mg 2 weeks 5 mg 1 week0 since August 24th . PPI Dexlant  30 mg taper has begun. Cutting 20% currently.  using zantac as needed.  Benzo is currently 0.10mg 

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Do what you can, Mort. I'm 22 months off Lexapro after a too fast withdrawal, so slightly ahead of you. My patterns are similar to yours - waves getting shorter, still getting knocked off my feet a few times a month but functioning better than the first year. Soemdays I can't figure out if things are less intense or if I'm just functioning with it because I'm so used to it, but the people who have been around me through this struggle reasure me that I am definitely not the zombie I was before. 

 

My mantra has become "whatever arises, love that" from the title of the book. I'm trying to embrace that fully, knowing that every pain and dysfunction is contributing to my greater healing; not pathology - healing. 

9/2006 Began Lexapro

1/2014 Began taper from 15mg 

Cut dose by 2.5 mg every two weeks or until stabilized 

5/25/2014 Last dose 

 

Experienced: Anxiety/depression, intrusive thoughts, dizziness, de-personalization, mood swings, stomach pains, nausea, headaches, gastro upset, anger, many spells of brain fog, chills, water retention, hypoglycemia, heart palpitations, weight gain, light headedness, muscle constriction - jaw, chest, neck, cortisol surges waking me several times at night with heart racing, blurry eyesight / visual snow, neuropathic pain, burning/numbness in hands and feet, muscle twitching, light sensitivity, sinuses, temperature disregulation, ear zaps, FEAR, hopelessness, doom and gloom, muscle spasms and tension across whole body, low energy, apathy, depression, constant post nasal drip, ear pain, jaw pain and cracking, tooth pain, burning/tingling/numbing, right rib cage pain FOREVER, lymph congestion, hypersensitivity to many foods and many supplements, bladder/ urination issues, creaky bones, sallow, yellow skin on hands/feet, emotional dysregulation, back pain, vivid dreams, mucus, peeling lips.

 

What's left: Low energy some days, muscle pain, hormone imbalance, GI stuff here and there, eye floaters, peeling, red lips.

 

 

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Hey Greentrain thanks for the kind words!  LOVE the mantra :) I get the same reassurance from my family . 

Was on 30mg (Lexapro) for 7-8yrs20mg for 3 months (This was my choice my Doc wanted me to drop much faster)15 mg 2week10mg 2 weeks 5 mg 1 week0 since August 24th . PPI Dexlant  30 mg taper has begun. Cutting 20% currently.  using zantac as needed.  Benzo is currently 0.10mg 

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