☼ Junglechicken

[apace41]

1 hour ago, Junglechicken said:

Just dawned on me, could the dry mouth sensation I am experiencing be WD symptom??

 

ABSOLUTELY could be, JC.  I have burning mouth that comes and goes and is clearly a withdrawal symptom and the dry mouth is another symptom that comes along very frequently with a stressed CNS.  I have very little doubt that this is, in fact, a function of your withdrawal.

 

Best,

 

Andy

[wantrelief]

Hi JC - Dry mouth is one of my withdrawal symptoms.  You have also been mentioning a white coating on the top of your tongue....I have this as well and it seems associated for me with the dry mouth.  I don’t have burning mouth but my tongue seems irritated and does burn sometimes when I eat certain foods, like balsamic salad dressing.

 

I hope this information helps.

[Junglechicken]

Andy and Wantrelief,

 

Thank you both for chipping in.

 

I am experiencing a very dry mouth, burning (certain foods and when not eating), a white coating (as WR said), and the feeling that I cannot quench my thirst.

 

Will see what the doc has to say about this one 

[Junglechicken]

On 25 April 2018 at 11:00 PM, Dalalea said:

I'm glad they figured it out! I almost always end up with lots of symptoms when I detox. It makes me want to avoid it even though I know it's important.

 

 

Not even sure that they have figured it out Dalalea, as it was a pharmacist who thought it was oral thrush......now I'm not so sure, as it could be WD related.

 

Im with you on dreading the consequences of detoxes.

[Junglechicken]

On 26 April 2018 at 8:15 PM, brassmonkey said:

Oil of Oregano. I haven't used it applied directly to the mouth, but it can be taken orally and works very well when applied to the skin. Hopefully it doesn't taste too nasty. Just buy the gel caps, pop them with a pin and apply.

 

Ive started taking it Brass in capsule form.

 

This is the second day.

 

 

[Dalalea]

10 hours ago, Junglechicken said:

relaxing weekend tootling around the Isle of Wight in a VW Campervan called "Dougal"

How wonderful! My trip last fall is one of the things I think about when withdrawal is bad! I'm so glad you got to go! It's such a beautiful place! I hope to return some day!

Dalalea

[Junglechicken]

So how come "dry mouth" is a side effect of SSRIs but not a WD symptom?

 

Or do side effects become WD symptoms further down the line?

 

I have never experienced dry mouth before now.

[Altostrata]

Withdrawal symptoms can be just about anything that's governed by the autonomic nervous system, including dry mouth.

[Carmie]

 

9 hours ago, Altostrata said:

Withdrawal symptoms can be just about anything that's governed by the autonomic nervous system, including dry mouth.

 

Yep, I totally agree with altostrata Junglechicken,

 

The symptoms are so wide n varied and the CNS is pretty much connected to everything. Every time I get another weird symptom it’s more then likely withdrawals. A few weeks ago I had toothaches and earaches but no infections. They were withdrawals.

 

I’ve finally learnt that every time I get a new symptom it is more than likely withdrawals.

 

Sending hugs xx

 

 

[Junglechicken]

Thanks Alto and Carmie,

 

I just gotta "keep the faith" with this (and its REALLY hard).

 

Trouble is, one can't just go to a doctor and say "I think its WD symptoms", as they'll look at you like you're crazy!

 

Back onto the rollercoaster.

 

Hugs back

 

JC xx

 

 

[Junglechicken]

15 hours ago, wantrelief said:

Hi JC - Dry mouth is one of my withdrawal symptoms.  You have also been mentioning a white coating on the top of your tongue....I have this as well and it seems associated for me with the dry mouth.  I don’t have burning mouth but my tongue seems irritated and does burn sometimes when I eat certain foods, like balsamic salad dressing.

 

I hope this information helps.

 

WR,

 

Silly question, but what do you do to alleviate the horrible dryness?

 

Its as though there is an impenetrable barrier (the white coating) stopping any moisture from reaching the surface of the tongue.

 

Hope I don't get laughed at by the doctor tomorrow.

 

JC

[Carmie]

1 hour ago, Junglechicken said:

Thanks Alto and Carmie,

 

I just gotta "keep the faith" with this (and its REALLY hard).

 

Trouble is, one can't just go to a doctor and say "I think its WD symptoms", as they'll look at you like you're crazy!

 

Back onto the rollercoaster.

 

Hugs back

 

JC xx

 

 

 Hi again Junglechicken, 

 

Don’t even sorry about what the doctors think. You know what you need to do n the moderators here can help.

 

Whether the doctors believe you or not has nothing to do with your recovery. My doctor gives me whatever scripts I need but he has absolutely no idea what withdrawals are like. Me trying to convince him how severe these withdrawals can be doesn’t do anything towards the healing process as he will never understand.

 

I am grateful though that he is so cooperative.

 

Just keep doing what you need to do and don’t worry about what doctors think.

 

hugs xxx

[Junglechicken]

8 minutes ago, Carmie said:

 Hi again Junglechicken, 

 

Don’t even sorry about what the doctors think. You know what you need to do n the moderators here can help.

 

Whether the doctors believe you or not has nothing to do with your recovery. My doctor gives me whatever scripts I need but he has absolutely no idea what withdrawals are like. Me trying to convince him how severe these withdrawals can be doesn’t do anything towards the healing process as he will never understand.

 

I am grateful though that he is so cooperative.

 

Just keep doing what you need to do and don’t worry about what doctors think.

 

hugs xxx

 

You're right, and I've "been there" trying to convince people what WD is like, but its wasted energy really.

 

This latest WD symptom is pure torture 😯

 

If anyone know of any tricks to alleviate the dryness of "dry mouth" syndrome (or whatever its called), please let me know - getting desperate.

 

Hugs xxx

[Carmie]

16 minutes ago, Junglechicken said:

 

You're right, and I've "been there" trying to convince people what WD is like, but its wasted energy really.

 

This latest WD symptom is pure torture 😯

 

If anyone know of any tricks to alleviate the dryness of "dry mouth" syndrome (or whatever its called), please let me know - getting desperate.

 

Hugs xxx

 

Yes, stop trying to explain withdrawals to doctors that don’t understand Junglechicken,

 

It doesn’t accomplish anything.

 

People here may be able to give u some advice on dry mouth.

 

I don’t know if this is any help but I just googled dry mouth and iherb sells something called Thera Breath drymouth lozenges and it seems to have quite good ratings. I don’t know if it will work , the only way we find out is trial and error.

 

Hope you find something that will help, sending hugs xxxx

[Junglechicken]

1 minute ago, Carmie said:

 

Yes, stop trying to explain withdrawals to doctors that don’t understand Junglechicken,

 

It doesn’t accomplish anything.

 

People here may be able to give u some advice on dry mouth.

 

I don’t know if this is any help but I just googled dry mouth and iherb sells something called Thera Breath drymouth lozenges and it seems to have quite good ratings. I don’t know if it will work , the only way we find out is trial and error.

 

Hope you find something that will help, sending hugs xxxx

 

Thank you Carmie, I really appreciate that.

 

Will check out the lozenges.

 

Sending hugs back,

xxx

[Junglechicken]

From what I have read, "dry mouth" would seem to be caused by a pH imbalance in the mouth. 

 

This would make sense because if I have oral thrush (getting diagnosis tomorrow), or because "die off" is taking place and depositing billions of dead pathogens into my mouth (I know its gross), then the white coating on the tongue is the bacterial scum.

 

In any case, my entire gut has been out of whack for some time now, so the mouth being effected doesn't surprise me.

 

Right, now to buy some oral relief, thanks Carmie!

[Scorpio]

Hi jc

 

sorry you are going through such a bad time, hopefully the doctor will be sympathetic and able to help with the problems. I get a dry mouth whenever I’m in a bad wave but it goes as the wave lessens. I haven’t found anything that eases it I just keep drinking loads of water and eventually it eases. 

Hugs

[Junglechicken]

1 minute ago, Scorpio said:

Hi jc

 

sorry you are going through such a bad time, hopefully the doctor will be sympathetic and able to help with the problems. I get a dry mouth whenever I’m in a bad wave but it goes as the wave lessens. I haven’t found anything that eases it I just keep drinking loads of water and eventually it eases. 

Hugs

 

Hi Scorpio,

 

Thank you, I've just spent a small fortune on oral care products for dry mouth.....blah blah.

 

Am freaking out too much.  Do you notice any other symptoms other than just a dry mouth feeling, or do you get the scummy tongue thing too?

 

Hugs

[joy2730]

Be sure to clean your teeth well when you have dry mouth as the dryness makes you more susceptible to tooth decay 

 

Joy

[AliG]

JC. I think it's perhaps a W/D thing that maybe no one understands except us. I'm so sorry that you are going through this and hope it ... goes away soon. xx.  Maybe it's one of those things you just have to wait out. My thoughts are with you ~ much love.

[Junglechicken]

1 minute ago, AliG said:

JC. I think it's perhaps a W/D thing that maybe no one understands except us. I'm so sorry that you are going through this and hope it ... goes away soon. xx.  Maybe it's one of those things you just have to wait out. My thoughts are with you ~ much love.

 

Thank you Ali,

 

I SO hope you're right............it seemed to be triggered by the detox I am doing.

 

Ugghh!

 

Much love back x

[Junglechicken]

4 minutes ago, joy2730 said:

Be sure to clean your teeth well when you have dry mouth as the dryness makes you more susceptible to tooth decay 

 

Joy

 

Joy,

 

Thank you, have you had it?

 

JC

[Scorpio]

Hi jc

 

yes when in wave I get a white coating, similar to when unwell, on tongue.   Hopefully with all the tips you have been given lozenges and oils it will help. 

Hugs 

[Junglechicken]

4 minutes ago, Scorpio said:

Hi jc

 

yes when in wave I get a white coating, similar to when unwell, on tongue.   Hopefully with all the tips you have been given lozenges and oils it will help. 

Hugs 

 

Hi Scorpio,

 

Thanks again for telling me about your experience with dry mouth.  I have found a lot of references to people on SA suffering with this WD symptom.  Obviously I will know more tomorrow (when I see the doc), but there must be a disconnect with the salivary glands.

 

The white coating, can be a sign of a lazy liver and also gut issues.

 

Watch this space I guess.

 

Hugs

 

 

[powerback]

2 hours ago, Junglechicken said:

 

You're right, and I've "been there" trying to convince people what WD is like, but its wasted energy really.

 

This latest WD symptom is pure torture 😯

 

If anyone know of any tricks to alleviate the dryness of "dry mouth" syndrome (or whatever its called), please let me know - getting desperate.

 

Hugs xxx

Hi JC this was a side affect for me years ago and still comes and goes ,I use sugar free gum ,if your calling it torture ,sorry to hear this ,mine was not as bad as torture. Sending caring vibes .

Take care .  

[Junglechicken]

1 minute ago, powerback said:

Hi JC this was a side affect for me years ago and still comes and goes ,I use sugar free gum ,if your calling it torture ,sorry to hear this ,mine was not as bad as torture. Sending caring vibes .

Take care .  

 

Hi Powerback,

 

Thank you as well.

 

I'm probably being a big baby about it, but it looks like the salivary glands need help with getting stimulated (hence lozenges, gum etc.,).

 

Do you have gut issues too?

 

I'm trying to find a correlation between the two.

 

 

 

 

 

[powerback]

1 minute ago, Junglechicken said:

 

Hi Powerback,

 

Thank you as well.

 

I'm probably being a big baby about it, but it looks like the salivary glands need help with getting stimulated (hence lozenges, gum etc.,).

 

Do you have gut issues too?

 

I'm trying to find a correlation between the two.

 

 

 

 

 

I don't think I do have gut issues ,I never get pain ,I get some bloating so I think I'm ok ,I wonder if you restrict intake of breads and starches ,would this help I'm not quite sure ,do a lot of research yourself ,we know what happens if we give doctors to much reign over us.

I wouldn't say your a baby ,its all accumulative one thing on top of the other then we tip over .

The gut connection is always a possibility ,I'm thinking for my future withdrawl recovery and well being, it lays here and its a radical change of habits and eating .everything I'm reading about food/sugar and lack of quality nutrients leads to inflammation in the system.

I'm thinking of putting my body into ketosis and see the results ,this will be very hard so I'm doing all the research .

[Junglechicken]

1 minute ago, powerback said:

I don't think I do have gut issues ,I never get pain ,I get some bloating so I think I'm ok ,I wonder if you restrict intake of breads and starches ,would this help I'm not quite sure ,do a lot of research yourself ,we know what happens if we give doctors to much reign over us.

I wouldn't say your a baby ,its all accumulative one thing on top of the other then we tip over .

The gut connection is always a possibility ,I'm thinking for my future withdrawl recovery and well being, it lays here and its a radical change of habits and eating .everything I'm reading about food/sugar and lack of quality nutrients leads to inflammation in the system.

I'm thinking of putting my body into ketosis and see the results ,this will be very hard so I'm doing all the research .

 

Am already avoiding all gluten, yeast and sugar foods PB, and am on a super-strict diet.

 

Hmm, interesting what you say though.

 

So I can't be too sure what the cause is then if you haven't been having gut issues.  The only thing I would say is that the mouth is part of the "digestive system"

as it is "stage 1" before food goes down the gullet, into stomach, then small intestine, then large intestine.

 

Whatever's going on, salivary glands aren't working properly, and/or pH imbalance.

 

Ah, the ketosis diet, sounds like Dr Atkins?  

 

[powerback]

13 minutes ago, Junglechicken said:

 

Am already avoiding all gluten, yeast and sugar foods PB, and am on a super-strict diet.

 

Hmm, interesting what you say though.

 

So I can't be too sure what the cause is then if you haven't been having gut issues.  The only thing I would say is that the mouth is part of the "digestive system"

as it is "stage 1" before food goes down the gullet, into stomach, then small intestine, then large intestine.

 

Whatever's going on, salivary glands aren't working properly, and/or pH imbalance.

 

Ah, the ketosis diet, sounds like Dr Atkins?  

 

Ye its similar ,but there's a lot of other ways to get fats than just meat as you know no doubt .do you produce saliva if you  chew food loads of times .I'm doing mindful eating lately ,being aware and chewing much more  .this is the start of digestion .for many years I would swallow food ,I'm surprised I don't have gut issues .

I follow john Bergman on YouTube and he says we shouldn't be drinking floods while eating because it dilutes the acid in our stomach that breaks down the food .he recommends chewing loads and no liquids   30 minutes before and after meals.

That would correlate with an off kilter PH balance in the gut.

It could be the signal in your brain isn't turning your saliva glands on ,like when we smell food even we salivate ,try strong smells and see if that helps,crispy roast chicken in the supermarket does it for me 🙂 

[wantrelief]

4 hours ago, Junglechicken said:

 

WR,

 

Silly question, but what do you do to alleviate the horrible dryness?

 

Its as though there is an impenetrable barrier (the white coating) stopping any moisture from reaching the surface of the tongue.

 

Hope I don't get laughed at by the doctor tomorrow.

 

JC

Not a silly question at al, JC.  I haven't really tried anything for it, just sip water if I am having a conversation and it is bothersome.  Awhile back I tried some product to help with dry mouth, it did work temporarily but tasted awful so I gave up on it.  

[Junglechicken]

1 minute ago, wantrelief said:

Not a silly question at al, JC.  I haven't really tried anything for it, just sip water if I am having a conversation and it is bothersome.  Awhile back I tried some product to help with dry mouth, it did work temporarily but tasted awful so I gave up on it.  

 

Thanks WR,

 

So the sensation you're feeling WR, is a gunkyness on the tongue and around the mouth, and difficulty speaking when mouth dries up (again)??

[wantrelief]

5 minutes ago, Junglechicken said:

 

Thanks WR,

 

So the sensation you're feeling WR, is a gunkyness on the tongue and around the mouth, and difficulty speaking when mouth dries up (again)??

My mouth feels dry most of the time and the white coating is there consistently as well.  I don't think I feel the coating, just notice it when I look at my tongue in the mirror.  I have had this before when in withdrawal and it goes away when the withdrawal goes away.  I hope that helps.

[Junglechicken]

2 minutes ago, wantrelief said:

My mouth feels dry most of the time and the white coating is there consistently as well.  I don't think I feel the coating, just notice it when I look at my tongue in the mirror.  I have had this before when in withdrawal and it goes away when the withdrawal goes away.  I hope that helps.

 

Thanks WR, sounds like mine then.

[joy2730]

Hi JC

 

I had it as a side effect of the old tricyclic antidepressants not as withdrawal.

 

Joy

[Junglechicken]

Just found that sucking on a sweet (Vit C/zinc supplement) in this case seemed to trigger saliva and mouth moisture.

 

 

[Frogie]

Just now, Junglechicken said:

Just found that sucking on a sweet (Vit C/zinc supplement) in this case seemed to trigger saliva and mouth moisture.

 

 

Sugarless candy works too.