mustafa Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 hello all, i want to write to you about my experience with antidepressants. these drugs were damaging to me. after i quit these drugs( which i knew that i didnt need them at all), i was saying to my doctor that i wasn't bad like that before starting the drugs but he is obliged that this is the anxiety i have, but i sware i havn't like that at all. my problem wasn't with relation to anxiety disorder at all but it is very easy for a psychiatrist to put you on antidepressants, it is much more dangerous than they think. i will be sorry to tell you that i completed the way of weaning off of antidepressants 2 times before that time, and every time i take a long time for some problems to get better like equilibrium but because i think iam not fully ok like first and no doctor can give advice about waiting, i start to think that i cant live without the drugs although they were harmful and what makes it worse is that my problem i was suffering from isn't solved with drugs or without them but because stopping drugs make your nerves and body and mentality in a bad case, you be obliged to start them again and live any way but i cant accept that, i was ok before these poisons and some sessions and information and entertainment could help me with my problem or make it hide. i won't accept to live with half of my power because antidepressants force me to that. iam now weaning off of my last antidepressants use, i write this after about 5.5 months from very rapid taper. suffering from disequilibrium which i think will ned some more time to be ok and very bad depersonalization. iam sorry to tell that when i walk in the street i think plus to depersonalization that i cant see things and people but the good news is that every thing is getting better. i lived the experience it self before but without understanding any thing. i wish i waited before to all the withdrawals to go away and there i would have decided not to be back to antidepressants at all but i will wait this time. my suffer now is feeling my head is numb, cant think logically or form thoughts nor remember in details in addition to the depersonalization but these problems was very very severe at the beginning of weaning off and now a lot better but not totally improved. i think i will be better after a while and this time i will through antidepressants in the rubbish box. i wasn't on a certain drug all the period. i took many drugs many times and for no very long period but to simplify. --fluvoxamine maleate100 mg + amisulpride 200mg------started july 2012 and total taper in february 2015 ( 9 months without drugs then) --sertraline 100mg -------started november 2015 and total taper (withoud reduction slowly) in november 2016( 4 months withoud drugs then). --sertraline 100mg + quetiabine 25mg ( started in mars 2016 and for 7 months) then fluvoxamine maleate 100mg again for another 7months and after that a something like to use every drug for 14 days and for about 1.5 years. --my last drug was trintellix 10 mg ( used it in 12/2018and total taper in 4/2019). symptomts i have now ( bad concentration and problems in short and long memory+ bad depersonalization). Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Gridley Posted September 22, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted September 22, 2019 Welcome to SA, Mustafa. Congratulations on your decision to be drug-free. This website is dedicated to helping members taper off psychiatric drugs and to deal with withdrawal from these drugs. You write that you are weaning off the last of your antidepressants after a very rapid taper. Please tell us the drugs you previously tapered, the dosages and the speed of your taper. Please also tell us the drug you are tapering now, the original dosage, your current dosage and the speed of your taper. Put this information in a drug signature using this link: Account Settings – Create or Edit a signature. We recommend tapering no faster than 10% of your current dose every four weeks. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1024-why-taper-by-10-of-my-dosage/ The symptoms you describe are typical withdrawal symptoms resulting from a too-fast taper. It's a good sign that your symptoms are improving. So that you may better understand what you are experiencing, here is some information on withdrawal: What is withdrawal syndrome. Glenmullen’s withdrawal symptom list. When we take medications, the CNS (central nervous system) responds by making changes over the months and years we take the drug(s). When the medication is discontinued, the CNS has to undo all the changes it made. Rebuilding the neurotransmitter production and reactivating the receptor and transporter cells takes time -- during that rebuilding process symptoms occur. These explain it really well: Video: Healing From Antidepressants - Patterns of Recovery On 8/30/2011 at 2:28 PM, Rhiannon said: When we stop taking the drug, we have a brain that has designed itself so that it works in the presence of the drug; now it can't work properly without the drug because it's designed itself so that the drug is part of its chemistry and structure. It's like a plant that has grown on a trellis; you can't just yank out the trellis and expect the plant to be okay. When the drug is removed, the remodeling process has to take place in reverse. SO--it's not a matter of just getting the drug out of your system and moving on. If it were that simple, none of us would be here. It's a matter of, as I describe it, having to grow a new brain. I believe this growing-a-new-brain happens throughout the taper process if the taper is slow enough. (If it's too fast, then there's not a lot of time for actually rebalancing things, and basically the brain is just pedaling fast trying to keep us alive.) It also continues to happen, probably for longer than the symptoms actually last, throughout the time of recovery after we are completely off the drug, which is why recovery takes so long. We strongly encourage using non-drug techniques to cope with withdrawal. Look at the links contained in the following link and see which you think my be of benefit to you. Non-drug techniques to cope We don't recommend a lot of supplements on SA, as many members report being sensitive to them due to our over-reactive nervous systems, but two supplements that we do recommend are magnesium and omega 3 (fish oil). Many people find these to be calming to the nervous system. Magnesium, nature's calcium channel blocker Omega-3 fatty acids (fish oil) Please research all supplements first and only add in one at a time and at a low dose in case you do experience problems. This is your Introduction topic, where you can answer my questions, ask your own questions and connect with other members. We're glad you found your way here. Gridley Introduction Lexapro 20 mg since 2004. Begin Brassmonkey Slide Taper Jan. 2017. End 2017 year 1 of taper at 9.25mg End 2018 year 2 of taper at 4.1mg End 2019 year 3 of taper at 1.0mg Oct. 30, 2020 Jump to zero from 0.025mg. Current dose: 0.000mg 3 year, 10 month taper is 100% complete. Ativan 1 mg to 1.875mg 1986-2020, two CT's and reinstatements Nov. 2020, 7-week Ativan-Valium crossover to 18.75mg Valium Feb. 2021, begin 10%/4 week taper of 18.75mg Valium End 2021 year 1 of Valium taper at 6mg End 2022 year 2 of Valium taper at 2.75mg End 2023 year 3 of Valium taper at 1mg Jan. 24, 2024: Hold at 1mg and shift to Imipramine taper. Taper is 95% complete. Imipramine 75 mg daily since 1986. Jan.-Sept. 2016 tapered to 14.4mg March 22, 2022: Begin 10%/4 week taper Aug. 5, 2022: hold at 9.5mg and shift to Valium taper Jan. 24, 2024: Resume Imipramine taper. Current dose as of Oct 15: 3.2mg Taper is 96% complete. Supplements: multiple, quercetin, omega-3, vitamins C, E and D3, magnesium glycinate, probiotic, zinc, melatonin .3mg, iron, serrapeptase, nattokinase, L-Glutamine, milk thistle, choline I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice. It is information based on my own experience as well as that of other members who have survived these drugs. Link to comment
mustafa Posted September 24, 2019 Author Share Posted September 24, 2019 On 9/22/2019 at 11:29 PM, Gridley said: Welcome to SA, Mustafa. Congratulations on your decision to be drug-free. This website is dedicated to helping members taper off psychiatric drugs and to deal with withdrawal from these drugs. You write that you are weaning off the last of your antidepressants after a very rapid taper. Please tell us the drugs you previously tapered, the dosages and the speed of your taper. Please also tell us the drug you are tapering now, the original dosage, your current dosage and the speed of your taper. Put this information in a drug signature using this link: Account Settings – Create or Edit a signature. We recommend tapering no faster than 10% of your current dose every four weeks. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1024-why-taper-by-10-of-my-dosage/ The symptoms you describe are typical withdrawal symptoms resulting from a too-fast taper. It's a good sign that your symptoms are improving. So that you may better understand what you are experiencing, here is some information on withdrawal: What is withdrawal syndrome. Glenmullen’s withdrawal symptom list. When we take medications, the CNS (central nervous system) responds by making changes over the months and years we take the drug(s). When the medication is discontinued, the CNS has to undo all the changes it made. Rebuilding the neurotransmitter production and reactivating the receptor and transporter cells takes time -- during that rebuilding process symptoms occur. These explain it really well: Video: Healing From Antidepressants - Patterns of Recovery On 8/30/2011 at 2:28 PM, Rhiannon said: When we stop taking the drug, we have a brain that has designed itself so that it works in the presence of the drug; now it can't work properly without the drug because it's designed itself so that the drug is part of its chemistry and structure. It's like a plant that has grown on a trellis; you can't just yank out the trellis and expect the plant to be okay. When the drug is removed, the remodeling process has to take place in reverse. SO--it's not a matter of just getting the drug out of your system and moving on. If it were that simple, none of us would be here. It's a matter of, as I describe it, having to grow a new brain. I believe this growing-a-new-brain happens throughout the taper process if the taper is slow enough. (If it's too fast, then there's not a lot of time for actually rebalancing things, and basically the brain is just pedaling fast trying to keep us alive.) It also continues to happen, probably for longer than the symptoms actually last, throughout the time of recovery after we are completely off the drug, which is why recovery takes so long. We strongly encourage using non-drug techniques to cope with withdrawal. Look at the links contained in the following link and see which you think my be of benefit to you. Non-drug techniques to cope We don't recommend a lot of supplements on SA, as many members report being sensitive to them due to our over-reactive nervous systems, but two supplements that we do recommend are magnesium and omega 3 (fish oil). Many people find these to be calming to the nervous system. Magnesium, nature's calcium channel blocker Omega-3 fatty acids (fish oil) Please research all supplements first and only add in one at a time and at a low dose in case you do experience problems. This is your Introduction topic, where you can answer my questions, ask your own questions and connect with other members. We're glad you found your way here. I started taking magnesium carbonate and felt a great improvement. I wrote a reply before that one to you but there was an internet problem. I'm really greatful to you because magnesium 25 mgs helped me alot and made me much more active. I don't really understand your quote. I tapered my drugs very rapid and didn't reduce the dose gradually at all. I have some questions please that is there any way to estimate how long I will suffer?, Should I continue taking magnesium 25 mgs + omega 3 2000mgs until iam ok?, Are there any other recommendations for drugs to help? Do i need to be on a lower dose from antidepressants( despite their harness and I don't mean side effects no, these drugs have no any benefit to me) to help my nervous system? And how to handle feeling blocks in head that if you try to remember, you feel this path is blocked or as I read time is the only way? Finally iam very greatful to you that magnesium supplement helped me alot. Thank you so much. i wasn't on a certain drug all the period. i took many drugs many times and for no very long period but to simplify. --fluvoxamine maleate100 mg + amisulpride 200mg------started july 2012 and total taper in february 2015 ( 9 months without drugs then) --sertraline 100mg -------started november 2015 and total taper (withoud reduction slowly) in november 2016( 4 months withoud drugs then). --sertraline 100mg + quetiabine 25mg ( started in mars 2016 and for 7 months) then fluvoxamine maleate 100mg again for another 7months and after that a something like to use every drug for 14 days and for about 1.5 years. --my last drug was trintellix 10 mg ( used it in 12/2018and total taper in 4/2019). symptomts i have now ( bad concentration and problems in short and long memory+ bad depersonalization). Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted September 24, 2019 Administrator Share Posted September 24, 2019 Welcome, Mustafa. If magnesium and omega-3 help, I'd continue to take them. You might find magnesium citrate or glycinate more effective. We cannot tell anyone how long recovery from withdrawal syndrome might take. How long has it been since you took a drug? What was it, what was the dosage? Please simplify your signature so we can see at a glance what you've been taking and when you went off. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
mustafa Posted September 24, 2019 Author Share Posted September 24, 2019 thank you so much. i did that right now. but i only wonder that these symptomts may last for another many months, is it ok to have omega 3 and magnesium for all these months or to take them for discontuating periods. i wasn't on a certain drug all the period. i took many drugs many times and for no very long period but to simplify. --fluvoxamine maleate100 mg + amisulpride 200mg------started july 2012 and total taper in february 2015 ( 9 months without drugs then) --sertraline 100mg -------started november 2015 and total taper (withoud reduction slowly) in november 2016( 4 months withoud drugs then). --sertraline 100mg + quetiabine 25mg ( started in mars 2016 and for 7 months) then fluvoxamine maleate 100mg again for another 7months and after that a something like to use every drug for 14 days and for about 1.5 years. --my last drug was trintellix 10 mg ( used it in 12/2018and total taper in 4/2019). symptomts i have now ( bad concentration and problems in short and long memory+ bad depersonalization). Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Gridley Posted September 24, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted September 24, 2019 4 hours ago, mustafa said: is there any way to estimate how long I will suffer?, Should I continue taking magnesium 25 mgs + omega 3 2000mgs until iam ok?, Are there any other recommendations for drugs to help? Do i need to be on a lower dose from antidepressants( despite their harness and I don't mean side effects no, these drugs have no any benefit to me) to help my nervous system? And how to handle feeling blocks in head that if you try to remember, you feel this path is blocked or as I read time is the only way? As Alto said, unfortunately, there is no way to predict how long withdrawal lasts. Yes, continue taking the magnesium and omegas until you are okay. We don't recommend any other supplements. We don't recommend a low dose of any antidepressant to deal with withdrawal. Time is the most dependable cure. We also recommend non-drug techniques to cope with withdrawal. Look at the links in the following link and see which techniques you thing might benefit you. Non-drug techniques to cope These links are helpful for dealing with anxiety. Audio: How to Recover from Anxiety - Dr Claire Weekes VIDEO: Peace from Nervous Suffering - Claire Weekes (1 hour) (http://sendvid.com/vgquc1dg)_____________ Anxiety Stuff - all kinds of stuff about anxiety attacks and things that help … 10 minute Restorative Yoga for Relaxation | Up the wall These links are helpful for dealing with insomnia. Tips to help sleep - so many of us have that awful withdrawal insomnia Relaxation exercises, guided meditations, calming videos, sleep hypnosis Trick and tips to fall asleep faster http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2017/02/16/tips-tricks-fall-asleep-faster.aspx?utm_source=dnl&utm_medium=email&utm_content=art1&utm_campaign=20170216Z1&et_cid=DM133787&et_rid=1889748952 This link contains helpful information, including insomnia and also non-drug coping skills. Important topics about symptoms, including sleep problems Gridley Introduction Lexapro 20 mg since 2004. Begin Brassmonkey Slide Taper Jan. 2017. End 2017 year 1 of taper at 9.25mg End 2018 year 2 of taper at 4.1mg End 2019 year 3 of taper at 1.0mg Oct. 30, 2020 Jump to zero from 0.025mg. Current dose: 0.000mg 3 year, 10 month taper is 100% complete. Ativan 1 mg to 1.875mg 1986-2020, two CT's and reinstatements Nov. 2020, 7-week Ativan-Valium crossover to 18.75mg Valium Feb. 2021, begin 10%/4 week taper of 18.75mg Valium End 2021 year 1 of Valium taper at 6mg End 2022 year 2 of Valium taper at 2.75mg End 2023 year 3 of Valium taper at 1mg Jan. 24, 2024: Hold at 1mg and shift to Imipramine taper. Taper is 95% complete. Imipramine 75 mg daily since 1986. Jan.-Sept. 2016 tapered to 14.4mg March 22, 2022: Begin 10%/4 week taper Aug. 5, 2022: hold at 9.5mg and shift to Valium taper Jan. 24, 2024: Resume Imipramine taper. Current dose as of Oct 15: 3.2mg Taper is 96% complete. Supplements: multiple, quercetin, omega-3, vitamins C, E and D3, magnesium glycinate, probiotic, zinc, melatonin .3mg, iron, serrapeptase, nattokinase, L-Glutamine, milk thistle, choline I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice. It is information based on my own experience as well as that of other members who have survived these drugs. Link to comment
mustafa Posted September 24, 2019 Author Share Posted September 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Gridley said: As Alto said, unfortunately, there is no way to predict how long withdrawal lasts. Yes, continue taking the magnesium and omegas until you are okay. We don't recommend any other supplements. We don't recommend a low dose of any antidepressant to deal with withdrawal. Time is the most dependable cure. We also recommend non-drug techniques to cope with withdrawal. Look at the links in the following link and see which techniques you thing might benefit you. Non-drug techniques to cope These links are helpful for dealing with anxiety. Audio: How to Recover from Anxiety - Dr Claire Weekes VIDEO: Peace from Nervous Suffering - Claire Weekes (1 hour) (http://sendvid.com/vgquc1dg)_____________ Anxiety Stuff - all kinds of stuff about anxiety attacks and things that help … 10 minute Restorative Yoga for Relaxation | Up the wall These links are helpful for dealing with insomnia. Tips to help sleep - so many of us have that awful withdrawal insomnia Relaxation exercises, guided meditations, calming videos, sleep hypnosis Trick and tips to fall asleep faster http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2017/02/16/tips-tricks-fall-asleep-faster.aspx?utm_source=dnl&utm_medium=email&utm_content=art1&utm_campaign=20170216Z1&et_cid=DM133787&et_rid=1889748952 This link contains helpful information, including insomnia and also non-drug coping skills. Important topics about symptoms, including sleep problems i really don't know how to thank you. you rescued my life and made me feel not alone at all i'm very greatful to you. 1 i wasn't on a certain drug all the period. i took many drugs many times and for no very long period but to simplify. --fluvoxamine maleate100 mg + amisulpride 200mg------started july 2012 and total taper in february 2015 ( 9 months without drugs then) --sertraline 100mg -------started november 2015 and total taper (withoud reduction slowly) in november 2016( 4 months withoud drugs then). --sertraline 100mg + quetiabine 25mg ( started in mars 2016 and for 7 months) then fluvoxamine maleate 100mg again for another 7months and after that a something like to use every drug for 14 days and for about 1.5 years. --my last drug was trintellix 10 mg ( used it in 12/2018and total taper in 4/2019). symptomts i have now ( bad concentration and problems in short and long memory+ bad depersonalization). Link to comment
mustafa Posted September 25, 2019 Author Share Posted September 25, 2019 (edited) unknown depersonalization weaning off of antidepressants for 6 months now and i don't know how the depersonalization should improve for me. must i feel panic to recover or what? when i stopped taking the drug and tapered all of it in only one day, i started to feel like that; imagine you are feeling you will die and feel every moment of loosing your awareness and then you died and then you wake up again to be alive but with the loss of awarness you had; i couldn't understand any of the actions around me ; i said to my self alot of times that what's going on, what is that action i see meaning?. of course iam now much better, withdrawals are getting better any way but i don't know where am i from this improvement and what should happen to feel iam out of depersonalization's dangerous zone; must i feel a real loss of awarness as a transient stage between what i suffer and to be normal without disabling depersonalization or that is the top of my depersonalization and it must be down; one thing i know about withdrawals is that by time your neurosmitters are getting better and you feel emotions more and more, so must i feel depersonalization more than that?. one of my friends was exposed to a very terrifying situation and had depersonalization, he told me that after recovery, he can't remember somethings during being depersonalized, should i believe him and expect i will suffer like him or it is different. i always tell my self that my brain can't support what happened and a transient thing must be found. i'm very annoyed that i don't feel any horror despite that i know that depersonalization patiens feel horror (even if they know the nature of depersonlization that knowing what's going on make you less stressed )so, are there types of depersonalization or i didn't reach the much of improvement to be like that. what's happening to me? Edited September 25, 2019 by ChessieCat added topic title i wasn't on a certain drug all the period. i took many drugs many times and for no very long period but to simplify. --fluvoxamine maleate100 mg + amisulpride 200mg------started july 2012 and total taper in february 2015 ( 9 months without drugs then) --sertraline 100mg -------started november 2015 and total taper (withoud reduction slowly) in november 2016( 4 months withoud drugs then). --sertraline 100mg + quetiabine 25mg ( started in mars 2016 and for 7 months) then fluvoxamine maleate 100mg again for another 7months and after that a something like to use every drug for 14 days and for about 1.5 years. --my last drug was trintellix 10 mg ( used it in 12/2018and total taper in 4/2019). symptomts i have now ( bad concentration and problems in short and long memory+ bad depersonalization). Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Gridley Posted September 25, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted September 25, 2019 1 hour ago, mustafa said: are there types of depersonalization or i didn't reach the much of improvement to be like that. what's happening to me? Depersonalization eventually gets better, but there is no schedule and it can take a long time. No one can predict how long. Everyone's situation is different, so it isn't useful to compare yourself with others.. Try not to over-analyze. You will just get yourself upset. There is so much about withdrawal, including depersonalization, that no one understands. Just take it one day at a time. Gridley Introduction Lexapro 20 mg since 2004. Begin Brassmonkey Slide Taper Jan. 2017. End 2017 year 1 of taper at 9.25mg End 2018 year 2 of taper at 4.1mg End 2019 year 3 of taper at 1.0mg Oct. 30, 2020 Jump to zero from 0.025mg. Current dose: 0.000mg 3 year, 10 month taper is 100% complete. Ativan 1 mg to 1.875mg 1986-2020, two CT's and reinstatements Nov. 2020, 7-week Ativan-Valium crossover to 18.75mg Valium Feb. 2021, begin 10%/4 week taper of 18.75mg Valium End 2021 year 1 of Valium taper at 6mg End 2022 year 2 of Valium taper at 2.75mg End 2023 year 3 of Valium taper at 1mg Jan. 24, 2024: Hold at 1mg and shift to Imipramine taper. Taper is 95% complete. Imipramine 75 mg daily since 1986. Jan.-Sept. 2016 tapered to 14.4mg March 22, 2022: Begin 10%/4 week taper Aug. 5, 2022: hold at 9.5mg and shift to Valium taper Jan. 24, 2024: Resume Imipramine taper. Current dose as of Oct 15: 3.2mg Taper is 96% complete. Supplements: multiple, quercetin, omega-3, vitamins C, E and D3, magnesium glycinate, probiotic, zinc, melatonin .3mg, iron, serrapeptase, nattokinase, L-Glutamine, milk thistle, choline I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice. It is information based on my own experience as well as that of other members who have survived these drugs. Link to comment
mustafa Posted September 25, 2019 Author Share Posted September 25, 2019 13 minutes ago, Gridley said: Depersonalization eventually gets better, but there is no schedule and it can take a long time. No one can predict how long. Everyone's situation is different, so it isn't useful to compare yourself with others.. Try not to over-analyze. You will just get yourself upset. There is so much about withdrawal, including depersonalization, that no one understands. Just take it one day at a time. Depersonalization + balancing problems make can't go out and stay at home but I can in some days go for a walk ( but very rare), can't go to work or even have fun so, analiyzing is easy to control you.Before visiting survivingantidepressants , my analyzation was very very high that to say every action and every moment is noticed and analyzed ,as you say, by me and that is really upsetting. I will try not to check my improvement but believe me that I live in a society that can never accept the idea of being tired due to withdrawals. It is not just I suffer from withdrawals no, I suffer from ideas and sociality. If this was different, withdrawals were to be neglected something. Many thanks to you and I'm sorry for being out of the topic content in my last words. i wasn't on a certain drug all the period. i took many drugs many times and for no very long period but to simplify. --fluvoxamine maleate100 mg + amisulpride 200mg------started july 2012 and total taper in february 2015 ( 9 months without drugs then) --sertraline 100mg -------started november 2015 and total taper (withoud reduction slowly) in november 2016( 4 months withoud drugs then). --sertraline 100mg + quetiabine 25mg ( started in mars 2016 and for 7 months) then fluvoxamine maleate 100mg again for another 7months and after that a something like to use every drug for 14 days and for about 1.5 years. --my last drug was trintellix 10 mg ( used it in 12/2018and total taper in 4/2019). symptomts i have now ( bad concentration and problems in short and long memory+ bad depersonalization). Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Gridley Posted September 25, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted September 25, 2019 23 minutes ago, mustafa said: make can't go out and stay at home We have other members who can't go out. Slowly they do get better. First they can leave the bed, then their room, then the house. Withdrawal is not accepted by psychiatrists in our culture either. 26 minutes ago, mustafa said: I'm sorry for being out of the topic content in my last words. You didn't do anything wrong. No problem. Take good care of yourself and be kind to yourself. Gridley Introduction Lexapro 20 mg since 2004. Begin Brassmonkey Slide Taper Jan. 2017. End 2017 year 1 of taper at 9.25mg End 2018 year 2 of taper at 4.1mg End 2019 year 3 of taper at 1.0mg Oct. 30, 2020 Jump to zero from 0.025mg. Current dose: 0.000mg 3 year, 10 month taper is 100% complete. Ativan 1 mg to 1.875mg 1986-2020, two CT's and reinstatements Nov. 2020, 7-week Ativan-Valium crossover to 18.75mg Valium Feb. 2021, begin 10%/4 week taper of 18.75mg Valium End 2021 year 1 of Valium taper at 6mg End 2022 year 2 of Valium taper at 2.75mg End 2023 year 3 of Valium taper at 1mg Jan. 24, 2024: Hold at 1mg and shift to Imipramine taper. Taper is 95% complete. Imipramine 75 mg daily since 1986. Jan.-Sept. 2016 tapered to 14.4mg March 22, 2022: Begin 10%/4 week taper Aug. 5, 2022: hold at 9.5mg and shift to Valium taper Jan. 24, 2024: Resume Imipramine taper. Current dose as of Oct 15: 3.2mg Taper is 96% complete. Supplements: multiple, quercetin, omega-3, vitamins C, E and D3, magnesium glycinate, probiotic, zinc, melatonin .3mg, iron, serrapeptase, nattokinase, L-Glutamine, milk thistle, choline I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice. It is information based on my own experience as well as that of other members who have survived these drugs. Link to comment
mustafa Posted September 26, 2019 Author Share Posted September 26, 2019 thank you very much, gridley for strong support and help. without being here, every thing was to be severe. keep going to help more and more get rid off these poisons. i will write to you about my advance and waiting for more help, if possible. i wasn't on a certain drug all the period. i took many drugs many times and for no very long period but to simplify. --fluvoxamine maleate100 mg + amisulpride 200mg------started july 2012 and total taper in february 2015 ( 9 months without drugs then) --sertraline 100mg -------started november 2015 and total taper (withoud reduction slowly) in november 2016( 4 months withoud drugs then). --sertraline 100mg + quetiabine 25mg ( started in mars 2016 and for 7 months) then fluvoxamine maleate 100mg again for another 7months and after that a something like to use every drug for 14 days and for about 1.5 years. --my last drug was trintellix 10 mg ( used it in 12/2018and total taper in 4/2019). symptomts i have now ( bad concentration and problems in short and long memory+ bad depersonalization). Link to comment
mustafa Posted September 27, 2019 Author Share Posted September 27, 2019 hello to all, I write to you concerning my withdrawals and sorry to write alot but to talk about something strange. My suffer after my last drug is severe depersonalization, as i told you; I know you are not psychiatrists nor specialists but there may be some other member like me so you can give advice. I feel that all the day i'm a sleep, not dreaming only no , iam a sleep. I don't know why i expect that something severe must happen to break down this feeling like if you wake up suddenly. the feeling of to wake up happened to me one time these days, it was like i say to my self, did that happen to me?. i think my brain, as i read here, knows his way to recover, it won't do any thing strange and i will be convinced be it's recovery, but how?? to describe my feeling from the beginning of withdrawals to now, i started first be suspecting things like that if there is a book on a table, i can't give a judge that there is a book on the table but now much more better and to say my mental actions is 99% from its power but some thing i can't understand is there. i feel not afraid( and this is a problem too that how i'm not worried about any thing) but also can't seetle down that i expect to wake up, yes to wake up. A question to ask, would some thing happen for my brain that can't withstand it or all is fine and don't be worry my brain will deal? if any advice about other experiences with withdrawals is their, please tell me what to expect. thank you griedly and thanks to you altostrata. i wasn't on a certain drug all the period. i took many drugs many times and for no very long period but to simplify. --fluvoxamine maleate100 mg + amisulpride 200mg------started july 2012 and total taper in february 2015 ( 9 months without drugs then) --sertraline 100mg -------started november 2015 and total taper (withoud reduction slowly) in november 2016( 4 months withoud drugs then). --sertraline 100mg + quetiabine 25mg ( started in mars 2016 and for 7 months) then fluvoxamine maleate 100mg again for another 7months and after that a something like to use every drug for 14 days and for about 1.5 years. --my last drug was trintellix 10 mg ( used it in 12/2018and total taper in 4/2019). symptomts i have now ( bad concentration and problems in short and long memory+ bad depersonalization). Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Gridley Posted September 27, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted September 27, 2019 21 minutes ago, mustafa said: A question to ask, would some thing happen for my brain that can't withstand it or all is fine and don't be worry my brain will deal? Time will be the cure. Healing from depersonalization will be a gradual process. Nothing severe is necessary to "wake up" from the depersonalization. In fact, you should be gentle with yourself and avoid stress whenever possible. Your brain is not broken and will deal with the withdrawal. The brain has an amazing ability to heal itself, known as neuroplasticity. Healing from antidepressants: The power of neuroplasticity video (7.5 minutes) Patterns of Recovery There will be ups and downs, windows and waves. The Windows and Waves Pattern of Stabilization That is what to expect. Gridley Introduction Lexapro 20 mg since 2004. Begin Brassmonkey Slide Taper Jan. 2017. End 2017 year 1 of taper at 9.25mg End 2018 year 2 of taper at 4.1mg End 2019 year 3 of taper at 1.0mg Oct. 30, 2020 Jump to zero from 0.025mg. Current dose: 0.000mg 3 year, 10 month taper is 100% complete. Ativan 1 mg to 1.875mg 1986-2020, two CT's and reinstatements Nov. 2020, 7-week Ativan-Valium crossover to 18.75mg Valium Feb. 2021, begin 10%/4 week taper of 18.75mg Valium End 2021 year 1 of Valium taper at 6mg End 2022 year 2 of Valium taper at 2.75mg End 2023 year 3 of Valium taper at 1mg Jan. 24, 2024: Hold at 1mg and shift to Imipramine taper. Taper is 95% complete. Imipramine 75 mg daily since 1986. Jan.-Sept. 2016 tapered to 14.4mg March 22, 2022: Begin 10%/4 week taper Aug. 5, 2022: hold at 9.5mg and shift to Valium taper Jan. 24, 2024: Resume Imipramine taper. Current dose as of Oct 15: 3.2mg Taper is 96% complete. Supplements: multiple, quercetin, omega-3, vitamins C, E and D3, magnesium glycinate, probiotic, zinc, melatonin .3mg, iron, serrapeptase, nattokinase, L-Glutamine, milk thistle, choline I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice. It is information based on my own experience as well as that of other members who have survived these drugs. Link to comment
mustafa Posted September 30, 2019 Author Share Posted September 30, 2019 Hi gridley and altostrata. Hope you are ok. Let me tell you something may be funny but for me it is a pleasure and sorry for my self to be like that. I started to be feeling stressed, started to have a little of panics and that didn't happen never since I stopped the drug; that means for me I'm going to be my self again. I was never stressed for any thing but I started to be. I'm waiting for more improvement. I write to you because I want to be motivated more and sorry for any thing but no one understanda that meaning except here. When I walk. I feel now panic and afraid a little,That is really good( thanks to these toxic drugs withdrawals). I need your advice please for adding vitamins b1,6,12 via ampoules because I feel some times I can't control my legs nor arms. I take magnesium carbonate 50 mg, omega 3( 2000mg) and vitamine E (400 mg) now. thank you very much. i wasn't on a certain drug all the period. i took many drugs many times and for no very long period but to simplify. --fluvoxamine maleate100 mg + amisulpride 200mg------started july 2012 and total taper in february 2015 ( 9 months without drugs then) --sertraline 100mg -------started november 2015 and total taper (withoud reduction slowly) in november 2016( 4 months withoud drugs then). --sertraline 100mg + quetiabine 25mg ( started in mars 2016 and for 7 months) then fluvoxamine maleate 100mg again for another 7months and after that a something like to use every drug for 14 days and for about 1.5 years. --my last drug was trintellix 10 mg ( used it in 12/2018and total taper in 4/2019). symptomts i have now ( bad concentration and problems in short and long memory+ bad depersonalization). Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Gridley Posted September 30, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted September 30, 2019 21 minutes ago, mustafa said: I need your advice please for adding vitamins b1,6,12 via ampoules I would be careful. In withdrawal B vitamins can be overstimulating. Hypersensitive to B Vitamin or B-Complex Gridley Introduction Lexapro 20 mg since 2004. Begin Brassmonkey Slide Taper Jan. 2017. End 2017 year 1 of taper at 9.25mg End 2018 year 2 of taper at 4.1mg End 2019 year 3 of taper at 1.0mg Oct. 30, 2020 Jump to zero from 0.025mg. Current dose: 0.000mg 3 year, 10 month taper is 100% complete. Ativan 1 mg to 1.875mg 1986-2020, two CT's and reinstatements Nov. 2020, 7-week Ativan-Valium crossover to 18.75mg Valium Feb. 2021, begin 10%/4 week taper of 18.75mg Valium End 2021 year 1 of Valium taper at 6mg End 2022 year 2 of Valium taper at 2.75mg End 2023 year 3 of Valium taper at 1mg Jan. 24, 2024: Hold at 1mg and shift to Imipramine taper. Taper is 95% complete. Imipramine 75 mg daily since 1986. Jan.-Sept. 2016 tapered to 14.4mg March 22, 2022: Begin 10%/4 week taper Aug. 5, 2022: hold at 9.5mg and shift to Valium taper Jan. 24, 2024: Resume Imipramine taper. Current dose as of Oct 15: 3.2mg Taper is 96% complete. Supplements: multiple, quercetin, omega-3, vitamins C, E and D3, magnesium glycinate, probiotic, zinc, melatonin .3mg, iron, serrapeptase, nattokinase, L-Glutamine, milk thistle, choline I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice. It is information based on my own experience as well as that of other members who have survived these drugs. Link to comment
mustafa Posted September 30, 2019 Author Share Posted September 30, 2019 i dont know. but vitamine b has no very bad effect to me or may it was responsible for making me more nervous. i will be careful and won't use. i wasn't on a certain drug all the period. i took many drugs many times and for no very long period but to simplify. --fluvoxamine maleate100 mg + amisulpride 200mg------started july 2012 and total taper in february 2015 ( 9 months without drugs then) --sertraline 100mg -------started november 2015 and total taper (withoud reduction slowly) in november 2016( 4 months withoud drugs then). --sertraline 100mg + quetiabine 25mg ( started in mars 2016 and for 7 months) then fluvoxamine maleate 100mg again for another 7months and after that a something like to use every drug for 14 days and for about 1.5 years. --my last drug was trintellix 10 mg ( used it in 12/2018and total taper in 4/2019). symptomts i have now ( bad concentration and problems in short and long memory+ bad depersonalization). Link to comment
mustafa Posted October 1, 2019 Author Share Posted October 1, 2019 Me.gridley, Would you please describe my symptompts now if they are severe or moderate. i wasn't on a certain drug all the period. i took many drugs many times and for no very long period but to simplify. --fluvoxamine maleate100 mg + amisulpride 200mg------started july 2012 and total taper in february 2015 ( 9 months without drugs then) --sertraline 100mg -------started november 2015 and total taper (withoud reduction slowly) in november 2016( 4 months withoud drugs then). --sertraline 100mg + quetiabine 25mg ( started in mars 2016 and for 7 months) then fluvoxamine maleate 100mg again for another 7months and after that a something like to use every drug for 14 days and for about 1.5 years. --my last drug was trintellix 10 mg ( used it in 12/2018and total taper in 4/2019). symptomts i have now ( bad concentration and problems in short and long memory+ bad depersonalization). Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Gridley Posted October 1, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted October 1, 2019 6 minutes ago, mustafa said: Would you please describe my symptompts now if they are severe or moderate. From what you've written, your main symptom is depersonalization. If that's the only significant symptom, and you are functioning, I would describe your symptoms as moderate. Gridley Introduction Lexapro 20 mg since 2004. Begin Brassmonkey Slide Taper Jan. 2017. End 2017 year 1 of taper at 9.25mg End 2018 year 2 of taper at 4.1mg End 2019 year 3 of taper at 1.0mg Oct. 30, 2020 Jump to zero from 0.025mg. Current dose: 0.000mg 3 year, 10 month taper is 100% complete. Ativan 1 mg to 1.875mg 1986-2020, two CT's and reinstatements Nov. 2020, 7-week Ativan-Valium crossover to 18.75mg Valium Feb. 2021, begin 10%/4 week taper of 18.75mg Valium End 2021 year 1 of Valium taper at 6mg End 2022 year 2 of Valium taper at 2.75mg End 2023 year 3 of Valium taper at 1mg Jan. 24, 2024: Hold at 1mg and shift to Imipramine taper. Taper is 95% complete. Imipramine 75 mg daily since 1986. Jan.-Sept. 2016 tapered to 14.4mg March 22, 2022: Begin 10%/4 week taper Aug. 5, 2022: hold at 9.5mg and shift to Valium taper Jan. 24, 2024: Resume Imipramine taper. Current dose as of Oct 15: 3.2mg Taper is 96% complete. Supplements: multiple, quercetin, omega-3, vitamins C, E and D3, magnesium glycinate, probiotic, zinc, melatonin .3mg, iron, serrapeptase, nattokinase, L-Glutamine, milk thistle, choline I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice. It is information based on my own experience as well as that of other members who have survived these drugs. Link to comment
mustafa Posted October 1, 2019 Author Share Posted October 1, 2019 5 minutes ago, Gridley said: From what you've written, your main symptom is depersonalization. If that's the only significant symptom, and you are functioning, I would describe your symptoms as moderate. It is depersonalization but with some problems in memory. Can't remember actions and their dates easily.these problems in memory and nerves worsen the depersonalization. I don't know exactly how depersonalized am i because I need first to remember things and then I will feel they are strange to me. I will tell you a situation from a week ago, I woke up from bed and did something and when back again to sleep, I felt like there is a real mountain in my head without any ability from me to refuse that, yes, it was like I don't care about that. When I remember this,I feel there is still a long way to be the person I know again. Now, there is no any link between me and everyday life. I know I can't do any thing for this. It is just to share with you sir to feel not alone. i wasn't on a certain drug all the period. i took many drugs many times and for no very long period but to simplify. --fluvoxamine maleate100 mg + amisulpride 200mg------started july 2012 and total taper in february 2015 ( 9 months without drugs then) --sertraline 100mg -------started november 2015 and total taper (withoud reduction slowly) in november 2016( 4 months withoud drugs then). --sertraline 100mg + quetiabine 25mg ( started in mars 2016 and for 7 months) then fluvoxamine maleate 100mg again for another 7months and after that a something like to use every drug for 14 days and for about 1.5 years. --my last drug was trintellix 10 mg ( used it in 12/2018and total taper in 4/2019). symptomts i have now ( bad concentration and problems in short and long memory+ bad depersonalization). Link to comment
mustafa Posted October 2, 2019 Author Share Posted October 2, 2019 Hello, I'm sorry for the lot asking for advice. I could buy a product today which has these specifications: It is called 'Natrol'9 Omega 3-6-9 complex Heart health With fish, flax& borage oil Omega 3 ( 400 mg) (Epa70mg /dha 45mg) Flax oil (400 mg) Borage oil (400mg). The old one I was using was called omega 3 plus, it is a local product of no high quality and had the specifications like that: 1000mg fish oil (epa+dha) Wheat germ oil (100mg). So is the first one ok to use or is wrong one? If it is not ok,can I use it without problems because I can't give it back . Can I use 2 capsules but a one from each product, If it is ok ? i wasn't on a certain drug all the period. i took many drugs many times and for no very long period but to simplify. --fluvoxamine maleate100 mg + amisulpride 200mg------started july 2012 and total taper in february 2015 ( 9 months without drugs then) --sertraline 100mg -------started november 2015 and total taper (withoud reduction slowly) in november 2016( 4 months withoud drugs then). --sertraline 100mg + quetiabine 25mg ( started in mars 2016 and for 7 months) then fluvoxamine maleate 100mg again for another 7months and after that a something like to use every drug for 14 days and for about 1.5 years. --my last drug was trintellix 10 mg ( used it in 12/2018and total taper in 4/2019). symptomts i have now ( bad concentration and problems in short and long memory+ bad depersonalization). Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Gridley Posted October 2, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted October 2, 2019 32 minutes ago, mustafa said: Omega 3-6-9 complex This supplement looks fine to me. I would use only the 3-6-9 and not mix the two supplements. Start with a low dose to make sure there are no problems, then increase if it is okay. Gridley Introduction Lexapro 20 mg since 2004. Begin Brassmonkey Slide Taper Jan. 2017. End 2017 year 1 of taper at 9.25mg End 2018 year 2 of taper at 4.1mg End 2019 year 3 of taper at 1.0mg Oct. 30, 2020 Jump to zero from 0.025mg. Current dose: 0.000mg 3 year, 10 month taper is 100% complete. Ativan 1 mg to 1.875mg 1986-2020, two CT's and reinstatements Nov. 2020, 7-week Ativan-Valium crossover to 18.75mg Valium Feb. 2021, begin 10%/4 week taper of 18.75mg Valium End 2021 year 1 of Valium taper at 6mg End 2022 year 2 of Valium taper at 2.75mg End 2023 year 3 of Valium taper at 1mg Jan. 24, 2024: Hold at 1mg and shift to Imipramine taper. Taper is 95% complete. Imipramine 75 mg daily since 1986. Jan.-Sept. 2016 tapered to 14.4mg March 22, 2022: Begin 10%/4 week taper Aug. 5, 2022: hold at 9.5mg and shift to Valium taper Jan. 24, 2024: Resume Imipramine taper. Current dose as of Oct 15: 3.2mg Taper is 96% complete. Supplements: multiple, quercetin, omega-3, vitamins C, E and D3, magnesium glycinate, probiotic, zinc, melatonin .3mg, iron, serrapeptase, nattokinase, L-Glutamine, milk thistle, choline I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice. It is information based on my own experience as well as that of other members who have survived these drugs. Link to comment
mustafa Posted October 3, 2019 Author Share Posted October 3, 2019 Can royal gelly help reducing depression? Omega is very ok for making recovery faster but has no effect on the depression withdrawal ( I suffer from depersonalization due to this bad depression) so, if I take vitamins containing royal jelly, would it help? Or do you have any recommendation, gridley? On 10/1/2019 at 10:52 PM, Gridley said: blockquote widget i wasn't on a certain drug all the period. i took many drugs many times and for no very long period but to simplify. --fluvoxamine maleate100 mg + amisulpride 200mg------started july 2012 and total taper in february 2015 ( 9 months without drugs then) --sertraline 100mg -------started november 2015 and total taper (withoud reduction slowly) in november 2016( 4 months withoud drugs then). --sertraline 100mg + quetiabine 25mg ( started in mars 2016 and for 7 months) then fluvoxamine maleate 100mg again for another 7months and after that a something like to use every drug for 14 days and for about 1.5 years. --my last drug was trintellix 10 mg ( used it in 12/2018and total taper in 4/2019). symptomts i have now ( bad concentration and problems in short and long memory+ bad depersonalization). Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Gridley Posted October 3, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted October 3, 2019 52 minutes ago, mustafa said: Can royal gelly help reducing depression? I don't know anything about this. Gridley Introduction Lexapro 20 mg since 2004. Begin Brassmonkey Slide Taper Jan. 2017. End 2017 year 1 of taper at 9.25mg End 2018 year 2 of taper at 4.1mg End 2019 year 3 of taper at 1.0mg Oct. 30, 2020 Jump to zero from 0.025mg. Current dose: 0.000mg 3 year, 10 month taper is 100% complete. Ativan 1 mg to 1.875mg 1986-2020, two CT's and reinstatements Nov. 2020, 7-week Ativan-Valium crossover to 18.75mg Valium Feb. 2021, begin 10%/4 week taper of 18.75mg Valium End 2021 year 1 of Valium taper at 6mg End 2022 year 2 of Valium taper at 2.75mg End 2023 year 3 of Valium taper at 1mg Jan. 24, 2024: Hold at 1mg and shift to Imipramine taper. Taper is 95% complete. Imipramine 75 mg daily since 1986. Jan.-Sept. 2016 tapered to 14.4mg March 22, 2022: Begin 10%/4 week taper Aug. 5, 2022: hold at 9.5mg and shift to Valium taper Jan. 24, 2024: Resume Imipramine taper. Current dose as of Oct 15: 3.2mg Taper is 96% complete. Supplements: multiple, quercetin, omega-3, vitamins C, E and D3, magnesium glycinate, probiotic, zinc, melatonin .3mg, iron, serrapeptase, nattokinase, L-Glutamine, milk thistle, choline I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice. It is information based on my own experience as well as that of other members who have survived these drugs. Link to comment
mustafa Posted October 4, 2019 Author Share Posted October 4, 2019 Hi gridley, I hope you do well. I started to use the product of natro ok, it looks it is a very good product and effective. I could see its effect on my brain but unfortunatley I showed sensitivity to it.it make me nervous and some more depressed. I can't divide it cause it is gelatine capsules. Should I continue use it and this sensitivity problem will go away or to stop it now? Thank you gridley. i wasn't on a certain drug all the period. i took many drugs many times and for no very long period but to simplify. --fluvoxamine maleate100 mg + amisulpride 200mg------started july 2012 and total taper in february 2015 ( 9 months without drugs then) --sertraline 100mg -------started november 2015 and total taper (withoud reduction slowly) in november 2016( 4 months withoud drugs then). --sertraline 100mg + quetiabine 25mg ( started in mars 2016 and for 7 months) then fluvoxamine maleate 100mg again for another 7months and after that a something like to use every drug for 14 days and for about 1.5 years. --my last drug was trintellix 10 mg ( used it in 12/2018and total taper in 4/2019). symptomts i have now ( bad concentration and problems in short and long memory+ bad depersonalization). Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Gridley Posted October 4, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted October 4, 2019 24 minutes ago, mustafa said: I showed sensitivity to it.it make me nervous and some more depressed. I can't divide it cause it is gelatine capsules. Should I continue use it and this sensitivity problem will go away or to stop it now? Thank you gridley. I would stop it. When we are in withdrawal, we become very sensitive to supplements and even some foods. Gridley Introduction Lexapro 20 mg since 2004. Begin Brassmonkey Slide Taper Jan. 2017. End 2017 year 1 of taper at 9.25mg End 2018 year 2 of taper at 4.1mg End 2019 year 3 of taper at 1.0mg Oct. 30, 2020 Jump to zero from 0.025mg. Current dose: 0.000mg 3 year, 10 month taper is 100% complete. Ativan 1 mg to 1.875mg 1986-2020, two CT's and reinstatements Nov. 2020, 7-week Ativan-Valium crossover to 18.75mg Valium Feb. 2021, begin 10%/4 week taper of 18.75mg Valium End 2021 year 1 of Valium taper at 6mg End 2022 year 2 of Valium taper at 2.75mg End 2023 year 3 of Valium taper at 1mg Jan. 24, 2024: Hold at 1mg and shift to Imipramine taper. Taper is 95% complete. Imipramine 75 mg daily since 1986. Jan.-Sept. 2016 tapered to 14.4mg March 22, 2022: Begin 10%/4 week taper Aug. 5, 2022: hold at 9.5mg and shift to Valium taper Jan. 24, 2024: Resume Imipramine taper. Current dose as of Oct 15: 3.2mg Taper is 96% complete. Supplements: multiple, quercetin, omega-3, vitamins C, E and D3, magnesium glycinate, probiotic, zinc, melatonin .3mg, iron, serrapeptase, nattokinase, L-Glutamine, milk thistle, choline I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice. It is information based on my own experience as well as that of other members who have survived these drugs. Link to comment
mustafa Posted October 4, 2019 Author Share Posted October 4, 2019 18 minutes ago, Gridley said: we become very sensitive to supplements and even some foods. So do we have an explanation for this? i wasn't on a certain drug all the period. i took many drugs many times and for no very long period but to simplify. --fluvoxamine maleate100 mg + amisulpride 200mg------started july 2012 and total taper in february 2015 ( 9 months without drugs then) --sertraline 100mg -------started november 2015 and total taper (withoud reduction slowly) in november 2016( 4 months withoud drugs then). --sertraline 100mg + quetiabine 25mg ( started in mars 2016 and for 7 months) then fluvoxamine maleate 100mg again for another 7months and after that a something like to use every drug for 14 days and for about 1.5 years. --my last drug was trintellix 10 mg ( used it in 12/2018and total taper in 4/2019). symptomts i have now ( bad concentration and problems in short and long memory+ bad depersonalization). Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Gridley Posted October 4, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted October 4, 2019 It is because our central nervous systems have been destabilized, first by becoming dependent on the drugs and then by withdrawal from the drugs. A destabilized nervous system has been traumatized and a result is very sensitive. Gridley Introduction Lexapro 20 mg since 2004. Begin Brassmonkey Slide Taper Jan. 2017. End 2017 year 1 of taper at 9.25mg End 2018 year 2 of taper at 4.1mg End 2019 year 3 of taper at 1.0mg Oct. 30, 2020 Jump to zero from 0.025mg. Current dose: 0.000mg 3 year, 10 month taper is 100% complete. Ativan 1 mg to 1.875mg 1986-2020, two CT's and reinstatements Nov. 2020, 7-week Ativan-Valium crossover to 18.75mg Valium Feb. 2021, begin 10%/4 week taper of 18.75mg Valium End 2021 year 1 of Valium taper at 6mg End 2022 year 2 of Valium taper at 2.75mg End 2023 year 3 of Valium taper at 1mg Jan. 24, 2024: Hold at 1mg and shift to Imipramine taper. Taper is 95% complete. Imipramine 75 mg daily since 1986. Jan.-Sept. 2016 tapered to 14.4mg March 22, 2022: Begin 10%/4 week taper Aug. 5, 2022: hold at 9.5mg and shift to Valium taper Jan. 24, 2024: Resume Imipramine taper. Current dose as of Oct 15: 3.2mg Taper is 96% complete. Supplements: multiple, quercetin, omega-3, vitamins C, E and D3, magnesium glycinate, probiotic, zinc, melatonin .3mg, iron, serrapeptase, nattokinase, L-Glutamine, milk thistle, choline I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice. It is information based on my own experience as well as that of other members who have survived these drugs. Link to comment
mustafa Posted October 4, 2019 Author Share Posted October 4, 2019 15 minutes ago, Gridley said: It is because our central nervous systems have been destabilized, first by becoming dependent on the drugs and then by withdrawal from the drugs. A destabilized nervous system has been traumatized and a result is very sensitive. I don't really believe, how for these terrible drugs to be sold with no problem!? For me they are more dangerous than benzos. I'm afraid gridley. I'm about to enter the stage of being terrified from depersonalization. I don't make sense now for my words these to you. Pray for me pls. i wasn't on a certain drug all the period. i took many drugs many times and for no very long period but to simplify. --fluvoxamine maleate100 mg + amisulpride 200mg------started july 2012 and total taper in february 2015 ( 9 months without drugs then) --sertraline 100mg -------started november 2015 and total taper (withoud reduction slowly) in november 2016( 4 months withoud drugs then). --sertraline 100mg + quetiabine 25mg ( started in mars 2016 and for 7 months) then fluvoxamine maleate 100mg again for another 7months and after that a something like to use every drug for 14 days and for about 1.5 years. --my last drug was trintellix 10 mg ( used it in 12/2018and total taper in 4/2019). symptomts i have now ( bad concentration and problems in short and long memory+ bad depersonalization). Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Gridley Posted October 4, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted October 4, 2019 11 minutes ago, mustafa said: 'm about to enter the stage of being terrified Try not to panic, mustafa. Depersonalization gets better and goes away. It takes time but it will happen. Gridley Introduction Lexapro 20 mg since 2004. Begin Brassmonkey Slide Taper Jan. 2017. End 2017 year 1 of taper at 9.25mg End 2018 year 2 of taper at 4.1mg End 2019 year 3 of taper at 1.0mg Oct. 30, 2020 Jump to zero from 0.025mg. Current dose: 0.000mg 3 year, 10 month taper is 100% complete. Ativan 1 mg to 1.875mg 1986-2020, two CT's and reinstatements Nov. 2020, 7-week Ativan-Valium crossover to 18.75mg Valium Feb. 2021, begin 10%/4 week taper of 18.75mg Valium End 2021 year 1 of Valium taper at 6mg End 2022 year 2 of Valium taper at 2.75mg End 2023 year 3 of Valium taper at 1mg Jan. 24, 2024: Hold at 1mg and shift to Imipramine taper. Taper is 95% complete. Imipramine 75 mg daily since 1986. Jan.-Sept. 2016 tapered to 14.4mg March 22, 2022: Begin 10%/4 week taper Aug. 5, 2022: hold at 9.5mg and shift to Valium taper Jan. 24, 2024: Resume Imipramine taper. Current dose as of Oct 15: 3.2mg Taper is 96% complete. Supplements: multiple, quercetin, omega-3, vitamins C, E and D3, magnesium glycinate, probiotic, zinc, melatonin .3mg, iron, serrapeptase, nattokinase, L-Glutamine, milk thistle, choline I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice. It is information based on my own experience as well as that of other members who have survived these drugs. Link to comment
mustafa Posted October 5, 2019 Author Share Posted October 5, 2019 hi gridley, i hope you are well. a lot of dreams inside each other . i wake up from a one to enter another one. what before the last dream? you can neglect this message if you want. i wasn't on a certain drug all the period. i took many drugs many times and for no very long period but to simplify. --fluvoxamine maleate100 mg + amisulpride 200mg------started july 2012 and total taper in february 2015 ( 9 months without drugs then) --sertraline 100mg -------started november 2015 and total taper (withoud reduction slowly) in november 2016( 4 months withoud drugs then). --sertraline 100mg + quetiabine 25mg ( started in mars 2016 and for 7 months) then fluvoxamine maleate 100mg again for another 7months and after that a something like to use every drug for 14 days and for about 1.5 years. --my last drug was trintellix 10 mg ( used it in 12/2018and total taper in 4/2019). symptomts i have now ( bad concentration and problems in short and long memory+ bad depersonalization). Link to comment
Mentor Cocopuffz17 Posted October 5, 2019 Mentor Share Posted October 5, 2019 Your posts resonates with me. I experienced the exact same things. They do get better. I am 8 months completely off and have noticed around a 60%-70% improvement in WD symptoms. Keep at it, you got it! I follow The Plant Paradox lifestyle by Dr.Gundry. This lifestyle has given me my life back and I feel better than I have ever felt in my life. It has enabled me to finally get off of this medication and truly live my life. Nutrition is the key to health!!!!! 2008 to 2019 - 20 mg Paroxetine Attempted 2 CT's around the 5-6 year mark. Were absolutely terrible and reinstated. Was never explained by the doctor the seriousness of the short half life of this drug. 2017 - Attempted a tapered discontinuation of this drug and reinstated after being unsuccessful. 2019 - Feb. 12 - After a three month taper I am off of paroxetine. The 3 months were terrible, awful withdrawal feelings. I followed the doctors guidelines for the reduction of this drug and now know it was way too fast. 2019 - Oct. 12 - 8 months off paroxetine. 75% improvement since coming off the drug. Definitely have had tons of challenges along the way. Let’s go!!!! 2021 - Feb. 12 - 24 months off paroxetine. I have minor challenges now. Tinnitus/Headaches are still around but are reduced by a massive amount. Link to comment
mustafa Posted October 5, 2019 Author Share Posted October 5, 2019 8 minutes ago, Cocopuffz17 said: Your posts resonates with me. I experienced the exact same things. They do get better. I am 8 months completely off and have noticed around a 60%-70% improvement in WD symptoms. Keep at it, you got it! it is very very nice to hear that from you ,cocopuffz17. keep connected to me, i think like iam lost. i want to ask you, how is your memory now and how was it when you were 6 months of withdrawals? and do you response now to actions? did you feel terrified any time? i wasn't on a certain drug all the period. i took many drugs many times and for no very long period but to simplify. --fluvoxamine maleate100 mg + amisulpride 200mg------started july 2012 and total taper in february 2015 ( 9 months without drugs then) --sertraline 100mg -------started november 2015 and total taper (withoud reduction slowly) in november 2016( 4 months withoud drugs then). --sertraline 100mg + quetiabine 25mg ( started in mars 2016 and for 7 months) then fluvoxamine maleate 100mg again for another 7months and after that a something like to use every drug for 14 days and for about 1.5 years. --my last drug was trintellix 10 mg ( used it in 12/2018and total taper in 4/2019). symptomts i have now ( bad concentration and problems in short and long memory+ bad depersonalization). Link to comment
Mentor Cocopuffz17 Posted October 5, 2019 Mentor Share Posted October 5, 2019 4 minutes ago, mustafa said: it is very very nice to hear that from you ,cocopuffz17. keep connected to me, i think like iam lost. i want to ask you, how is your memory now and how was it when you were 6 months of withdrawals? During my taper it was crap. Everything sucked I could barely function as a human in the last two weeks of the taper and two months post zero( I tapered too fast, these can be minimized by a proper taper). I still get blips of really bad focus/concentration/logical thinking. It’s slowly getting better. It used to be constant struggling now it’s every other day. Like for example I had headaches and tinnitus constantly for months. I now get it maybe once a day for like 1-2 mins. Everyday that passes is another day closer to being healed! I follow The Plant Paradox lifestyle by Dr.Gundry. This lifestyle has given me my life back and I feel better than I have ever felt in my life. It has enabled me to finally get off of this medication and truly live my life. Nutrition is the key to health!!!!! 2008 to 2019 - 20 mg Paroxetine Attempted 2 CT's around the 5-6 year mark. Were absolutely terrible and reinstated. Was never explained by the doctor the seriousness of the short half life of this drug. 2017 - Attempted a tapered discontinuation of this drug and reinstated after being unsuccessful. 2019 - Feb. 12 - After a three month taper I am off of paroxetine. The 3 months were terrible, awful withdrawal feelings. I followed the doctors guidelines for the reduction of this drug and now know it was way too fast. 2019 - Oct. 12 - 8 months off paroxetine. 75% improvement since coming off the drug. Definitely have had tons of challenges along the way. Let’s go!!!! 2021 - Feb. 12 - 24 months off paroxetine. I have minor challenges now. Tinnitus/Headaches are still around but are reduced by a massive amount. Link to comment
mustafa Posted October 5, 2019 Author Share Posted October 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Cocopuffz17 said: During my taper it was crap. Everything sucked I could barely function as a human in the last two weeks of the taper and two months post zero( I tapered too fast, these can be minimized by a proper taper). I still get blips of really bad focus/concentration/logical thinking. It’s slowly getting better. It used to be constant struggling now it’s every other day. Like for example I had headaches and tinnitus constantly for months. I now get it maybe once a day for like 1-2 mins. Everyday that passes is another day closer to being healed! hope you get well soon. write to me about your progress if ok and let me message you if you dont mind. i wasn't on a certain drug all the period. i took many drugs many times and for no very long period but to simplify. --fluvoxamine maleate100 mg + amisulpride 200mg------started july 2012 and total taper in february 2015 ( 9 months without drugs then) --sertraline 100mg -------started november 2015 and total taper (withoud reduction slowly) in november 2016( 4 months withoud drugs then). --sertraline 100mg + quetiabine 25mg ( started in mars 2016 and for 7 months) then fluvoxamine maleate 100mg again for another 7months and after that a something like to use every drug for 14 days and for about 1.5 years. --my last drug was trintellix 10 mg ( used it in 12/2018and total taper in 4/2019). symptomts i have now ( bad concentration and problems in short and long memory+ bad depersonalization). Link to comment
Mentor Cocopuffz17 Posted October 5, 2019 Mentor Share Posted October 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, mustafa said: hope you get well soon. write to me about your progress if ok and let me message you if you dont mind. Thanks! Ya, send me a msg anytime you want! I follow The Plant Paradox lifestyle by Dr.Gundry. This lifestyle has given me my life back and I feel better than I have ever felt in my life. It has enabled me to finally get off of this medication and truly live my life. Nutrition is the key to health!!!!! 2008 to 2019 - 20 mg Paroxetine Attempted 2 CT's around the 5-6 year mark. Were absolutely terrible and reinstated. Was never explained by the doctor the seriousness of the short half life of this drug. 2017 - Attempted a tapered discontinuation of this drug and reinstated after being unsuccessful. 2019 - Feb. 12 - After a three month taper I am off of paroxetine. The 3 months were terrible, awful withdrawal feelings. I followed the doctors guidelines for the reduction of this drug and now know it was way too fast. 2019 - Oct. 12 - 8 months off paroxetine. 75% improvement since coming off the drug. Definitely have had tons of challenges along the way. Let’s go!!!! 2021 - Feb. 12 - 24 months off paroxetine. I have minor challenges now. Tinnitus/Headaches are still around but are reduced by a massive amount. Link to comment
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