mustafa: withdrawals

[mustafa]

hi @Gridley, i hope you are ok.

today after i had lunch, i fellt more depersonalized, can that be due to my food?

do you have a list of food that is good for me?

i wait for your help, gridley.

thank you.

[Gridley]

21 minutes ago, mustafa said:

hi @Gridley, i hope you are ok.

today after i had lunch, i fellt more depersonalized, can that be due to my food?

do you have a list of food that is good for me?

i wait for your help, gridley.

 

What did you have for lunch?  Some foods can have an effect on symptoms.

 

We don't really have a specific diet we recommend.  It's good to avoid sugar, caffeine (including soda), alcohol, fast food.  Try to eat as healthily as possible.  

 

Some people do better on a low-histamine diet.  Research it on Google and see if you think it might be helpful to you.

[mustafa]

1 minute ago, Gridley said:

 

What did you have for lunch?  Some foods can have an effect on symptoms.

 

We don't really have a specific diet we recommend.  It's good to avoid sugar, caffeine (including soda), alcohol, fast food.  Try to eat as healthily as possible.  

 

Some people do better on a low-histamine diet.  Research it on Google and see if you think it might be helpful to you.

i had fish( tilapi fish as translated from arabic) with some white rice but i felt this worsened me.

i will use google to have a good diet for healing or a good book.

have a good day, my friend.

[mustafa]

but here is a question, why dont we use anti-histamine drugs during our heal?, can we be sensitive to them too?

[Erell]

Hi mustafa!

 

Thank  you for passing by on my thread, I really appreciate your support!!!

I agree with your advice To not overanalyse our situation...but it is difficult! The unknown part of the process is so huge that I Feel the need To understand everything I can.

 

About your question in your post : don't if this is what Gridley would say but I think that as our entire system is so sensitive, anything you put in there can makes us sensitive. That's why the advice here is To try only small doses of any drug or supplément.

I don't know enough about anti-histamine drugs To talk about it.

 

Best wishes To you !

[mustafa]

4 hours ago, Erell said:

Hi mustafa!

 

Thank  you for passing by on my thread, I really appreciate your support!!!

I agree with your advice To not overanalyse our situation...but it is difficult! The unknown part of the process is so huge that I Feel the need To understand everything I can.

 

About your question in your post : don't if this is what Gridley would say but I think that as our entire system is so sensitive, anything you put in there can makes us sensitive. That's why the advice here is To try only small doses of any drug or supplément.

I don't know enough about anti-histamine drugs To talk about it.

 

Best wishes To you !

Hello erell, 

Iam so happy you are here to give me help. It is a great to find people who appreciate your suffer Ang give you support. We are all greatful to our website.

I think the whole part from suffer of antidepressants' withdrawals comes from that these withdrawals are very strange and abnormal at all. During a lot of visits to psychiatrists, I was saying to them: I never felt like that before  I be on the drug and I think that if I were too depressed or stressed, I could never be like this , these withdrawals take us out of our memories and make us feel we made a bad mistake when decided to be on them . When I told you that you should ignore, that came from my experience with withdrawals; it is not my first time to be in withdrawals, I did that two times before and every time, I holded on until memory and emotions are ok but I were still suffering but I realized now that if I were to wait for more sometime, every thing were to subside and to be fully recovered, but it's ok. That what makes me tell you: ignore theses feelings as you can despite they are very very strange.

Healing is possible and iam sure. Keep going to get your self back.❤️

 

[Erell]

16 hours ago, mustafa said:

Healing is possible and iam sure. Keep going to get your self back.❤️

 

Thank you so much for this ❤

Exactly what I needed To read!

 

How are you doing?

[mustafa]

6 hours ago, Erell said:

Thank you so much for this ❤

Exactly what I needed To read!

 

How are you doing?

Hello Erell, 

Thanks a lot for asking about me ❤️, I am much better now than before. I only don't know how withdrawals will subside for me even if I realize that iam better, but I don't know their behaviour( if you understand me). I expect when my neurosmitters are all well, I will start to feel weakness of arms and legs(like that happens to us in social situations when are stressed) but I still don't know how this will happen to me or what should I feel or suffer from;  this is unknown for me, I have to just wait but iam still fine.

Tell me, how you feel today?

[mustafa]

Hi @Gridley, should I keep away from all sources of sugar, chocolate and so on or you mean the white sugar? 

[Gridley]

43 minutes ago, mustafa said:

Hi @Gridley, should I keep away from all sources of sugar, chocolate and so on or you mean the white sugar? 

There's really not much difference between brown sugar and white sugar.  All sugar has the potential to be too stimulating to someone in withdrawal.  Chocolate in addition to sugar has caffeine, which is also activating.  If you can, stay away from it all.

[Giulietta]

21 hours ago, mustafa said:

will start to feel weakness of arms and legs(like that happens to us in social situations when are stressed) but I still don't know how this will happen to me or what should I feel or suffer from;  this is unknown for me, I

 

Hello Mustafa,

 

I took a look at your recent posts and noticed about diet. Eating protein is important for activing our neurotransmitters.

 

Muscle pain and weakness and stiffness is a WD symptom, which I have experienced on a few occassions and is more problematic when in the quadriceps (thigh muscles). The legs feel like tree trunks and walking is a little awkward. I just amble along my way or sit until it passes. It just comes and goes at its own pleasure.

 

[Erell]

Coucou Mustafa!

 

I wanna strongly thank you for your support!!! 

How are you doing? 

Where do you come from?

 

I wish you the best!

[mustafa]

@Gridley hi gridley, I hope you are ok,

Very depressed today and nervous. Sometimes I have depressive thoughts that I really lose hope and i my self don't want to be ok. Iam very upset from counting days without doing any thing. I need to go to work and go out. The worse than this is that I don't know where I will pass the danger state. I really don't know what to do.

[rola]

4 minutes ago, mustafa said:

@ Gridley  salut gridley, j'espère que tu vas bien,

Très déprimé aujourd'hui et nerveux. Parfois, j'ai des pensées dépressives qui me font perdre tout espoir et je ne veux pas que tout se passe bien pour moi. Je suis très contrarié de compter des jours sans rien faire. Je dois aller au travail et sortir. Le pire est que je ne sais pas où je vais passer l’état de danger. Je ne sais vraiment pas quoi faire.

 

Hi mustafa be patient even if it is hard I do not work too and it's very hard but I'm hopeful I say to myself tomorrow it will be better😃

[Gridley]

43 minutes ago, mustafa said:

Very depressed today and nervous.

Mustafa,

 

I'm sorry you're feeling bad.  It is a normal part of withdrawal.  That doesn't make it easier, I know, but you will get better.  Do not lose hope, because you will get better.  As rola says, be patient.  It just takes time, more than we would like, but you will get well.

 

It is good to have things to distract yourself, youtube, other things on the computer.

[mustafa]

2 hours ago, rola said:

 

Hi mustafa be patient even if it is hard I do not work too and it's very hard but I'm hopeful I say to myself tomorrow it will be better😃

Thank you rola for supporting me, that really makes difference for all of us( the support). I hope you are ok ❤️.

1 hour ago, Gridley said:

As rola says, be patient.

 I never learnt to be patient before, gridley , I hope I can deal safely with my suffer.

Thank you for every thing ❤️

[Erell]

Thinking of you Mustafa, how are you doing? 

Have a Nice day!

[Giulietta]

Hello Mustafa -  sorry that you are having a difficult time now. 🙁 As you reminded me - we are in a wave and the next window will come along. It is frustrating - we have a window or two - we think we are past it - but then another wave. 

 

Gridley made a good suggestion - watch youtube -or if you have TV - something humorous helped me tolerate or reduce the symptoms. I think the little distractions helped things subside. Some pleasant happy upbeat music distracts me too.

 

I re-read your signature and I see you have memory problems (too). One piece of good news is that since I am tapering off/recovering from cymbalta - even though it is one of the hardest things I have had to do - I find I can remember short-term things better. So - this is apositive sign that I am getting better and helps give me strength

 

18 hours ago, mustafa said:

 I never learnt to be patient before, gridley , I hope I can deal safely with my suffer.

 

Developing patience is an ongoing project for some of us. I went through a number of bad day after bad day after bad day - but I kept telling myself I was going to WIN this battle to get off the drug. It is like fighting for freedom in a way - we suffer along the way. But in the end we will win our freedom.

 

[rola]

 

hello mustafa 

how are you today ?😃

[mustafa]

2 hours ago, Guilietta said:

Hello Mustafa -  sorry that you are having a difficult time now. 🙁 As you reminded me - we are in a wave and the next window will come along. It is frustrating - we have a window or two - we think we are past it - but then another wave. 

 

Gridley made a good suggestion - watch youtube -or if you have TV - something humorous helped me tolerate or reduce the symptoms. I think the little distractions helped things subside. Some pleasant happy upbeat music distracts me too.

 

I re-read your signature and I see you have memory problems (too). One piece of good news is that since I am tapering off/recovering from cymbalta - even though it is one of the hardest things I have had to do - I find I can remember short-term things better. So - this is apositive sign that I am getting better and helps give me strength

 

 

Developing patience is an ongoing project for some of us. I went through a number of bad day after bad day after bad day - but I kept telling myself I was going to WIN this battle to get off the drug. It is like fighting for freedom in a way - we suffer along the way. But in the end we will win our freedom.

 

Hi gulietta, thank you for your support. It can be very difficult to be patient without good friends beside us.  Yes I reminded you, but as you know, to talk about your problem and find hugs make us determined to survive. One more thing is that summer in Arabian countries is very hot and can make people feel hot and bothered, this can make the day longer, but iam still ok . 

For my memory I feel the total sum is ok , I can do a lot of things now that I could never do months ago( after the taper). 

How about you, I hope you are ok ❤️

1 hour ago, rola said:

 

hello mustafa 

how are you today ?😃

Hi rola, 

Iam fine and really very fine after I read your supporting texts.

I was a bit nervous but your support made me ok.

Iam really greatful to you ❤️

[rola]

13 minutes ago, mustafa said:

Bonjour gulietta, merci pour votre soutien. Il peut être très difficile d'être patient sans de bons amis à nos côtés. Oui, je vous l'ai rappelé, mais comme vous le savez, parler de votre problème et trouver des câlins nous rendent déterminés à survivre. Une autre chose est que l'été dans les pays arabes est très chaud et que les gens peuvent se sentir chauds et dérangés. Cela peut rallonger la journée, mais je suis toujours d'accord. 

Pour ma mémoire, je pense que la somme totale est correcte, je peux faire beaucoup de choses maintenant que je ne pourrais jamais faire il y a des mois (après la réduction progressive). 

Et toi, j'espère que tu vas bien

Salut rola, 

Je vais bien et vraiment très bien après avoir lu vos textes de soutien.

J'étais un peu nerveuse mais votre soutien m'a permis de me sentir bien.

Je suis vraiment reconnaissant envers toi ❤️

Hi
it is true that it must be hard with the heat but it is good for morale
here in France we had two weeks of rain and it was really depressing
today we had a great day and believe me it is good morale but it does not go hard it announces thunderstorms
see you soon

[Giulietta]

50 minutes ago, mustafa said:

One more thing is that summer in Arabian countries is very hot and can make people feel hot and bothered, this can make the day longer, but iam still ok . 

For my memory I feel the total sum is ok , I can do a lot of things now that I could never do months ago( after the taper). 

 

Hello Mustafa

 

Winter is around the corner here - so this equates with shorter days, cloudy days, cold weather, really depressing. I think I would like the sunny days of Egypt. However - I don't like the hot weather either - but if it is dry it is not so bad.  What is great is that you have improved and you can see that. I am really happy for you.

 

36 minutes ago, rola said:

here in France we had two weeks of rain and it was really depressing today we had a great day and believe me it is good morale but it does not go hard it announces thunderstorms

 

Hello Rola,

 

It has been a cool summer here and very dry (not complaining as I don't like rain and clouds either). Thunderstorms can be exciting - you stay inside and feel cozy and glad you are in doors.  

 

Both of you have a lovely rest of the day.

 

 

[mustafa]

1 hour ago, Guilietta said:

Thunderstorms can be exciting - you stay inside and feel cozy and glad you are in doors

Exactly. During winter, I have no problem to stay at home.

You are welcome in Egypt, Gulietta😂 but on the other side, I need to visit Europe ,espicially Italy ❤️. I love European nations alot. 

Thank you for being happy for me. And happy rest of the day to you too.

@rola try to enjoy the good side of winter, clouds and rains are depressing but you can enjoy your stay at home. I think winter will be different for us; it won't be depressing as being with each others here.

 

[mustafa]

If I would describe my suffer from withdrawals, it will be like the stages of being sleeping;  the first stage is deep sleeping, you may hear sounds but you don't care about them and don't know whose sounds are these and have no any response to these actions;  you are just deeply sleeping.

Second stage is starting to have dreams, you know every thing but you are in a dream.

3rd stage is to wake up.

I really don't know where am I know,

I hope I don't spend alot of time before waking up.

What makes me very upset is that I don't feel more pain ( as a result of taper) no, I feel less pain. My response to actions is very bad 😔;  I may be better now but I don't know what would happen then.

If it was hyper anxiety or tension or nervousness, I 'd be ok that these symptomts will subside but to be like sleeping, what would hapeen, Will I feel the horror from depersonalization once during this suffer. I can't be ok because I don't expect any thing and don't feel stabilized at all like if I have hidden anxiety. These unexpected symptomts are tiring to my brain ( make me add more stress) ; I tell my self: but I should be like this( I mean a stage of recovery) before I recover and when I measure the state iam in now to the state I think I should be in before recovery, I feel upset😔 

Iam sorry for the despair in my post. 

[rola]

Il y a 6 heures, Mustafa a dit:

Si je décris ma souffrance de sevrage, ce sera comme les étapes du sommeil; la première étape est un sommeil profond, vous pouvez éventuellement dire que vous n'aimez pas ce que vous voulez; vous dormez profondément.

La deuxième étape commence à avoir des rêves, vous savez tout, mais vous êtes dans un rêve.

3ème étape est de se réveiller.

Je ne sais vraiment pas où je sais,

J'espère que je ne passerai pas beaucoup de temps avant de me réveiller.

Ce qui m'a rendu très contrarié, c'est que je ne ressens pas plus (à cause du rétrécissement), non, je ressens moins de douleur. Ma réponse à des actions est très mauvaise ; Je vais peut-être mieux maintenant maintenant.

Si c'était de l'anxiété, de la tension ou de la nervosité, je serais d'accord pour que ces symptômes disparaissent, mais pour être, ce qui était arrivé, ce qui est arrivé, il est devenu douloureux une fois pendant cette souffrance. Je ne peux pas aller bien parce que je n'attends rien et que je ne me sens pas du tout stabilisé, comme si j'avais une anxiété cachée. Ces symptômes inattendus me fatiguent le cerveau (moi ajouter plus de stress); Je dis mon moi: je devrais Mais comme ça Être (je veux dire de Une étape récupération) avant de recuperer et Quand je l'état iam mesure à l'état Maintenant where je que je te Pense devrais Être en avant la récupération, je me Sens bouleversé 😔 

Je suis désolé pour le désespoir dans mon post. 

 

Salut mustafa 

la chance essaie de penser à des choses heureuses pour effacer l'esprit même si ce n'est pas facile reste positif

dites-vous que vous n'êtes pas seul     bonne nuit

ps;

apparently courage in french  is good luck after the translator ?

[mustafa]

2 hours ago, rola said:

 

Salut mustafa 

la chance essaie de penser à des choses heureuses pour effacer l'esprit même si ce n'est pas facile reste positif

dites-vous que vous n'êtes pas seul     bonne nuit

ps;

apparently courage in french  is good luck after the translator ?

Salut rola, 

Par l'occasion, j'ai etudie le francais pendant 2 anne, je peus un peu conprendre 😌

You are right, rola and thank you for reminding me I must be "courageux"; IAM trying my best not to regret what happened. I want to tell you that your words make the difference for me ❤️.

How about you dear?

[rola]

@mustafa

salut 

you speak well the english better than my english😁
I only have notions I would like to speak correctly
I wish you a good day without hindrance
see you soon

[mustafa]

On 10/14/2019 at 12:54 PM, Erell said:

Thinking of you Mustafa, how are you doing? 

Have a Nice day!

Hello erell, iam very sorry for missing your post. I don't know what happened I couldn't see it, iam very sorry.

Iam fine with all your support for me. Some times we aren't in need to understand what's happening as much as we need for support and motivation you know.

Iam very sorry again.

Have a very nice day.

[Erell]

Dear mustafa

I totally understand you : even if we start To understand the process, the symptoms can be so hard that we need To find support !

 

And I totally support you ! You seem To be a very strong person! Do you live on your own ? Do you have support around you?

I Would love To be able To tell you supportive words in arab !

Would you teach us some words ? 

 

Hugs

[mustafa]

On 10/16/2019 at 5:24 PM, Erell said:

Dear mustafa

I totally understand you : even if we start To understand the process, the symptoms can be so hard that we need To find support !

 

And I totally support you ! You seem To be a very strong person! Do you live on your own ? Do you have support around you?

I Would love To be able To tell you supportive words in arab !

Would you teach us some words ? 

 

Hugs

my dear erell , 

iam greatful to you trying to support me. no one around me understands any thing about this even my parents, believe psychiatrists and blame for not going to work. i really dont complain but it is good to just talk. even if my parents blame but, for sure they support, just because they are my parents. in eastern societies, its embarassing to say: iam on psychiatric drugs or iam suffering withdrawals so, i can never tell any friend about this. but it still not too bad, i have some good things to support.

yes for sure i will teach you some

if you want to tell me : be brave, it is " كن شجاعا" in arabic 

hugs is "كثير من الاحضان لك"

support is "انا ادعمك"

did you like it?

[mustafa]

hello@Altostrata & @Gridley , i hope you do well . iam sorry for repeating my question about depersonalization; it looks like if i wasnt born, i feel loss of awarness , like iam not existed. how can this break down. i dont identify my self at all and wonder how for this being back to life happen?

[Altostrata]

Yes, we're very familiar with this symptom. See

 

Overwhelmed, demotivated, apathetic? Cannot get going on interest or action

 

Apathy, anhedonia, emotional numbness, emotional anesthesia

 

Derealization or Depersonalization

[Erell]

Dear mustafa 

 

I'm so sorry you're struggling with depersonalization. I understand now why you keep telling me that it is good for me To Feel so much anxiety or despair: it is because it hard for you To Feel something, right?

 

I see this like a Line  :

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you're are at one end of the Line, without émotions. I'm at the opposite end of the Line with extreme émotions. Both are extremely difficult. But : gradually we Will move To the middle of this Line and find equilibrium. ☺

 

Thank you for these new words! I won't be able To write them with my keyboard, but I Will try To write them on a paper

 

Hugs To you!

[mustafa]

1 hour ago, Erell said:

Dear mustafa 

 

I'm so sorry you're struggling with depersonalization. I understand now why you keep telling me that it is good for me To Feel so much anxiety or despair: it is because it hard for you To Feel something, right?

 

I see this like a Line  :

--------------------------------------------

 

you're are at one end of the Line, without émotions. I'm at the opposite end of the Line with extreme émotions. Both are extremely difficult. But : gradually we Will move To the middle of this Line and find equilibrium. ☺

 

Thank you for these new words! I won't be able To write them with my keyboard, but I Will try To write them on a paper

 

Hugs To you!

dear erell, 

it looks that i dont understand your suffer and how severe your symptomts are,  iam very sorry about that.  i really hope you recover and be the one you want very soon and you will.

yes you are right, depersonalization makes my awareness like dulled and have no strong responses, it was very hard to be at the beginning that i have no memories and no pains; i was like 'nothing';  i had nothing to use it to just survive as human, very lazy when waking up ( but that improved).  i know very well that the other side is as hard as like me,  i suffered it and aware how is it severe.

i liked this fantastic line (

you're are at one end of the Line, without émotions. I'm at the opposite end of the Line with extreme émotions. Both are extremely difficult. But : gradually we Will move To the middle of this Line and find equilibrium. ☺

)

i want to tell you one more thing may be motivational, in our culture we have a statement that says: only strong people are suffering strong,  that if they were weak, they wont bear.  you are strong and fanntastic erell, i really dont know any girl who can resist and bear like you do.

i didnt complete my sentence above, the completion is,  strong people those get recovered to be leaders. once we are well, we would forget our suffer but wont forget our gains; i tell my self that despite i still complain.

see u soon.

 

[mustafa]

14 hours ago, Altostrata said:

Yes, we're very familiar with this symptom. See

 

Overwhelmed, demotivated, apathetic? Cannot get going on interest or action

 

Apathy, anhedonia, emotional numbness, em otional anesthesia

 

Derealization or Depersonalization

hello altostrata, 

thanks for helping me know more about my suffer; the topics you sent me describe my state exactly,  especially the first topic. I only couldnt understand if the suffer of 'bar' ended or not, or how she felt in her waves and windows. I have identical symptomts like her.

a lot of members dont complete their stories, if this is the situation, then no problem; it is also good to find you arent alone.

many thanks to you alto.

[Giulietta]

Hello Mustafa,

 

I read your last posts. Sorry about not stopping by your page since Thursday! I have been working on sorting out duloxetine - and slow to figure out next steps. But - not to dwell on that. 😉

 

I see Alto posted some helpful links.  I will also look at them myself. I am sure they will help me with the same issues I face

 

I am thinking of you. I am glad you wrote your post from the heart and put down your feelings. I had a few comments.

 

Many of us in the west experience (and are angry about) the stigma against ADs and withdrawal.  While I think this may be improving at least in the US, it is slow. Big pharma keeps people in the dark. The opioid crisis has been hidden for many years. Ninety (90%) percent of opioid addictions start with a prescriptionin a doctor's office! Big pharma pushes this. The truth about ADs and WD as it applies to them is getting out.  Educating people takes time.

 

I feel bad that your parents may not understand WD - and that you don't feel you can tell others. For what it is worth - my parents' - like Erell's - don't really understand. They try to. I repeat and try to explain in different ways - and they undestand part of it.  They deny I think that it is so bad - it is hard for them to see their loved ones suffer.

 

It is awkward for me to tell a very few people I know about my AD and WD. A great weight lifted. It was an opportunity to inform others.  And if they don't accept that I have taken AD and WD  - they were not  my friend to begin with.

 

You have friends here on SA and you are not alone.

 

The psychiatrist is another story. MDs who find fault or judge patients - can you look for another MD. I don't know what care is like in Egype - but if an MD is not positive, respectful and works with me on my healthcare goals (it's about you don't forget!) - then I find another MD.

 

Well - I startedf this last night and sorry I didn't get it to you earlier. I hope you are able to read it today (or tonight) - I don't know what your time zone is (GMT + x hours).

 

Big hugs,

 

Guilietta