Pens

[Pens]

February 29, 2020

5-5 1/2 hours sleep

a.m. lightheaded, anxious, nausea

6:00 eye drop, dizzy, shaking, trembling 

nibbled on bran muffin, cold hands

9:00 breakfast

10:00 tense, cold

12:00 p.m. apple, 

rash on face (pred forte)?
5:00 supper

7:00 eye drop, gaviscon for stomach upset

8:00 snack yogurt, WINDOW 

8:30 mirtazapine 1.6 ml.

10:00 bedtime took robaxisal, for muscle relaxant, (methocarbamol 400 mg,  acetylsalicylic acid, 500 mg.) read where there’s sodium laurel sulphate in this. Won’t be taking this again. Too bad because I got a good night sleep. 

 

Edited March 1, 2020 by Pens
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[Pens]

March 1, 2020

6 1/2 hours sleep, took Robaxisal last night I think that’s why I slept so long. Scary when I woke up because I got blood when I blew my nose. Won’t be using Robaxisal again

Chest tight, dizzy, anxious, faint, weak

7:30 AM breakfast

8 AM dry cough, trouble breathing ( acid reflux)

9 AM Gaviscon, helped with breathing

11 AM snack, watermelon

11:30 AM went outside in the sunshine

12 PM lunch feeling awful

2 PM drank some sugar water had two slices of buck wheat bread that I made

315 Eye drop, still feeling dizzy and faint

430 snack, unsettled stomach, throat feels swollen and sore, itchy around the mouth ( could be eye drop symptoms)

7:30 PM eye drop, sore throat and upset stomach, indigestion

8:30 PM Mirtazapine 1.6 ML, rinse mouth, brush teeth, took Gaviscon

9 PM headache took Tylenol 500 MG, small window

9:30 PM Gaviscon for acid reflux two tabs

11:30 p.m. bedtime, gravol 25 mg. 

[Pens]

On 2/26/2020 at 12:29 PM, Pens said:

Were you thinking of going less than 10% next taper?  A microtaper next?

Hi manymoretodays had to take Benadryl today, rash on face , sometimes shortness of breath, so yes I will be anxious to do a taper. 

[manymoretodays]

Hi Pens,

6 hours ago, Pens said:

Hi manymoretodays had to take Benadryl today, rash on face , sometimes shortness of breath, so yes I will be anxious to do a taper. 

I'm just looking back through your notes now.

And I know....it might be time to do another small one?  There is always the possibility that some of your allergic stuff IS related to the mirtazapine.  And then, if so, good to keep going with the taper.

Only a couple weeks since your surgery though?  When was the date of the cataract surgery?  I like waiting until at least, 6 weeks post surgeries/procedures for most members, before resuming the taper.

And I wish some of your morning dizziness would let up too?

It's hard knowing too, Pens, right now, what is causing what.......as I'm sure you are aware, as you have had a few recent additions of drugs too.

So do share your thoughts too. 

 

So:

Last taper was January 20th.

And I'm playing with the math, if you next want to do a taper down to 1.5 mL, which is equivalent to 1.5 mg, that would be about a 6% reduction.

If you can measure clearly, just a bit more than that, say 1.52 mL, that would be a 5% reduction, and might be good, more of a microtaper.

And even more of a microtaper, a  2.5 % reduction from 1.6 mg/ 1.6 mL would be  1.56 mg/1.56 mL.

I think you/we were considering more of a microtaper.

 

I'm feeling okay about having you try 1.52 mL or 1.52 mg, a 5 % taper, and if that goes well, you could do another 5%, in a couple more weeks.......for a total taper of 10% over a months time......but broken down into smaller increments.

 

How do you feel about this kind of plan?

And are you done with your eye gtts yet? 

 

I'm a bit unexpectedly in and out more this week, I should be able to check your reply tomorrow evening(my time) though.

((((Pens)))))

 

L, P, H, and G,

mmt

 

 

 

 

 

[Pens]

March 2, 2020

5 hrs sleep

am tired, itchy scalp, panicky, dizzy, anxious, cold, gavison with meals

5:00 a.m. eye drop, Tylenol 500 for pain

6:00 panic attack

7:00 breakfast, cold hands

11:00 lunch, cold hands and feet

11:30 eye drop

11:50 face itchy and hot

p.m. Agitated

1:15 Benadryl for allergic reaction to Pred forte

1:30  warm hands and feet

5:00 supper

8:00 eye drop 

8:30 mirtazapine 1.6 ml. 
11:00 bedtime 

Edited March 3, 2020 by Pens
Added gavison

[Pens]

6 hours ago, manymoretodays said:

 

I'm feeling okay about having you try 1.52 mL or 1.52 mg, a 5 % taper, and if that goes well, you could do another 5%, in a couple more weeks.......for a total taper of 10% over a months time......but broken down into smaller increments.

Hi manymoretodays, thank you for your reply, Had surgery on February 14th. I will be done with my eye drops, according to my eye chart, the 12 th of March. That will be a month total of taking the eye drops. I would be comfortable with the 1.52 mg taper as well. I see the eye surgeon today so will let you know if there are any changes. ( fingers crossed). 💐🙏🏻 

[Pens]

Hi, is there an info on detoxing, not just from drugs but I noticed while trying to taper from mirtazapine I’ve become sensitive to all lot of foods, ie dairy, breads, sugar, so I’ve been trying to eat healthier. For a long time I’ve eaten junk food. instead of feeling better I feel nauseous, no energy, confused, sensitive stomach, difficulty sleeping etc. Another member on SA said moving is good to help get toxins out of your body, Epson salts bath, hot showers. Is anyone else experiencing detox and can you.add anything to this. Thanks

[Colonial]

I Found Carbs and sugars  hazardous during WD because they were just a spike of more stimulant towards my brain already out of control.

Rye bread was the only carb that was ok for Me.

If I had to digest any carbs between 3 and 8pm, I was prone to getting extremely sleepy and falling into a sleep paralysis while still conscious.  Super scary.

Still conscious of what was going on around Me but couldn't move.

From then on I only had proteins during those hours or went hungry.

 

[manymoretodays]

12 hours ago, Pens said:

Hi, is there an info on detoxing, not just from drugs but I noticed while trying to taper from mirtazapine I’ve become sensitive to all lot of foods, ie dairy, breads, sugar, so I’ve been trying to eat healthier. For a long time I’ve eaten junk food. instead of feeling better I feel nauseous, no energy, confused, sensitive stomach, difficulty sleeping etc. Another member on SA said moving is good to help get toxins out of your body, Epson salts bath, hot showers. Is anyone else experiencing detox and can you.add anything to this. Thanks

 

We don't subscribe to any "detoxing" from the drugs. 

Might help to look at Rhiannon's description of the neurobiology of WD, and then the brains readaptation.

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/603-what-is-withdrawal-syndrome/?do=findComment&comment=88441

I copied the last line: Now you can explain to them that no, getting it out of your system is not the issue; the issue is, you need to regrow or at least remodel your brain. This is a long, slow, very poorly understood process, and it needs to be respected.

 

And then here is a bit from GiaK:  Detox stuff-advanced

GiaK is a member who came off many drugs.

And again a copy of something she noted in the first post:  This is mostly stuff I couldn't engage with for many years when I was gravely sensitive. I remain highly sensitive but more in the range of less injured highly sensitive folks. 

 

Are you doing food journals, Pens?  That might help identify what to avoid.  That's good, no more junk food.  It's good to get whole foods in as much as possible.

.......and I'm fairly certain, that having food sensitivites,  is not something that needs detoxing.

Identifying and then avoiding things you are sensitive to, sure makes sense.

 

And okay good, on agreement on 1.52 mg or 1.52 mL for the next taper. 

How did it go with the eye surgeon?

[Pens]

8 hours ago, manymoretodays said:

How did it go with the eye surgeon

Morning, the surgeon said my eye was healing nicely. Very happy with that news. I believe some of my symptoms I am posting is from the pred forte. Glad when I can stop taking it. ☺️

[mustafa]

1 hour ago, Pens said:

Morning, the surgeon said my eye was healing nicely. Very happy with that news. I believe some of my symptoms I am posting is from the pred forte. Glad when I can stop taking it. ☺️

Great news pens,

As u should be aware now, we are sensitive to any material and any drug.

Very happy you felt relief after stopping eye drug.

Good night dear ❤️.

[Pens]

11 hours ago, manymoretodays said:

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[Pens]

March 3, 2020

4 hours sleep

a.m. Itchy, agitated, very unsettled, trembling still taking 1 to 2 drops of pred forte a day until March 12.

6:30 cold hands and feet

7:15 warm hands and feet

7:45 breakfast oatmeal, blueberries and rice milk

8:15 eye drop, dizzy, bitter taste on tongue, heart jumping

9:00 tense

10:30 snack

10:50 two gaviscon, non drowsy ginger

12:00 lunch two egg yolks, onion and zucchini

3:00 snack, ginger pill

5:30 supper homemade chicken noodle soup

6:30 Epsom salts bath, bad indigestion took gaviscon

8:30 mirtazapine 1.6 ml

10:30 bedtime gravol 25 mg

[Pens]

11 hours ago, manymoretodays said:

and I'm fairly certain, that having food sensitivites,  is not something that needs detoxing.

Identifying and then avoiding things you are sensitive to, sure makes sense.   Hi manymoretodays, was thinking that because I had changed my diet to healthy food , that I was unintentionally detoxing and suffering from some of those side effects. I am keeping track of what I can eat and this does help.  Thank you for your advise and the links. They are very helpful and of course for you time. 💐

[Pens]

13 hours ago, Colonial said:

I Found Carbs and sugars  hazardous during WD because they were just a spike of more stimulant towards my brain already out of control.

Rye bread was the only carb that was ok for Me.

If I had to digest any carbs between 3 and 8pm, I was prone to getting extremely sleepy and falling into a sleep paralysis while still conscious.  Super scary.

Still conscious of what was going on around Me but couldn't move.

From then on I only had proteins during those hours or went hungry.

 

Thank you for your reply, I found that what I’m eating can bother my stomach too. It’s very sensitive during WD. Probably a good thing is that it has helped me to eat better. Sorry to hear about your troubles. Hope you’re ok now. 

[Pens]

12 hours ago, manymoretodays said:

This is mostly stuff I couldn't engage with for many years when I was gravely sensitive. I remain highly sensitive but more in the range of less injured highly sensitive folks. 

Does the stomach sensitivity become less severe after a while.  It’s becomes hard to look forward to eating when you always end up feeling nauseous. Using ginger pills to help.

[Pens]

14 hours ago, Colonial said:

I Found Carbs and sugars  hazardous during WD because they were just a spike of more stimulant towards my brain already out of control.

Rye bread was the only carb that was ok for Me.

If I had to digest any carbs between 3 and 8pm, I was prone to getting extremely sleepy and falling into a sleep paralysis while still conscious.  Super scary.

Still conscious of what was going on around Me but couldn't move.

From then on I only had proteins during those hours or went hungry.

 

Do you mind me asking what proteins you had?

[Colonial]

Luckily I was good with dairy, so I would have eggs over easy or an omlette with maybe one slice of cheese...

I'm also lucky that I can eat nuts, so unsalted peanuts, almonds, almonds are good for keeping your MAGNESIUM up...

I could tolerate HALF a banana, also good for the Mag levels...

It was also an issue of not giving my stomach too much to digest at one time, but if I had a good size meal at noon...

Than I could supplement between 2 or 3 and 8-9 pm with small snacks,

and then by 9 pm, I could eat ANYTHING I wanted ago...

Very strange, right?

 

But if You think about it, the "afternoon lull" is EVERYONE'S worst brain functioning time of the day, so it makes sense my reactions happened during those hours...

Come 10 pm?  I could eat 4 pieces of pizza no problem.  🙂  

 

So I got used to finding a few items I KNEW I Could handle and sticking with them for the first few months when symptoms were the worst...

I was ok with sugar and carbs in the morning, I would have Greek yogurt with NO SUGAR ADDED, just the normal occurring sugar...

Lunch I'd have either a grilled cheese on rye or, and this is good, I would toast the rye, then put some peanut butter on it, with a LITTLE jelly, for a sandwich...

The peanut butter would kinda melt, 🙂 

If I used half the amount of preserves as I normally would I was ok.. and eventually your taste buds, over time, acclimate to it, and it tastes the same to  You.

 

The trick for Me, was to re schedule my eating pattern, I was normally someone who didn't eat breakfast or lunch UNTIL 2 pm, so...

Once I got 50% of my calories AND protein in me by noonish-1pm... I was able to hold out to later in the night on just the small snacks, like string cheese,.

Eventually I could add small amounts of fruit in, HALF a fruit.. Banana, apple, pears, etc.. the HALF was the difference. 

 

Each of us have a "tolerance" level as to how much sugar and carbs we can "rush" into our brain all at once, it's different for each of us...

I would stagger the snacks every 2 hours, like half a banana and 1 handful of peanuts, and it was enough to keep me from being hungry, but not alot to TAX your digestive system.  I noticed when I had to digest too much all at once, that's when I fell into the neurological sleep paralysis episodes...

 

Kinda like the reaction people have to the Tryptophan in the  turkey, with gravy and mashed potatoes, lol, everybody passes out, except I'd still be conscious just unable to move..

 

[Pens]

18 hours ago, Colonial said:

Luckily I was good with dairy, so I would have eggs over easy or an omlette with maybe one slice of cheese...

I'm also lucky that I can eat nuts, so unsalted peanuts, almonds, almonds are good for keeping your MAGNESIUM up...

I could tolerate HALF a banana, also good for the Mag levels...

It was also an issue of not giving my stomach too much to digest at one time, but if I had a good size meal at noon...

Than I could supplement between 2 or 3 and 8-9 pm with small snacks,

and then by 9 pm, I could eat ANYTHING I wanted ago...

Very strange, right?

 

But if You think about it, the "afternoon lull" is EVERYONE'S worst brain functioning time of the day, so it makes sense my reactions happened during those hours...

Come 10 pm?  I could eat 4 pieces of pizza no problem.  🙂  

 

So I got used to finding a few items I KNEW I Could handle and sticking with them for the first few months when symptoms were the worst...

I was ok with sugar and carbs in the morning, I would have Greek yogurt with NO SUGAR ADDED, just the normal occurring sugar...

Lunch I'd have either a grilled cheese on rye or, and this is good, I would toast the rye, then put some peanut butter on it, with a LITTLE jelly, for a sandwich...

The peanut butter would kinda melt, 🙂 

If I used half the amount of preserves as I normally would I was ok.. and eventually your taste buds, over time, acclimate to it, and it tastes the same to  You.

 

The trick for Me, was to re schedule my eating pattern, I was normally someone who didn't eat breakfast or lunch UNTIL 2 pm, so...

Once I got 50% of my calories AND protein in me by noonish-1pm... I was able to hold out to later in the night on just the small snacks, like string cheese,.

Eventually I could add small amounts of fruit in, HALF a fruit.. Banana, apple, pears, etc.. the HALF was the difference. 

 

Each of us have a "tolerance" level as to how much sugar and carbs we can "rush" into our brain all at once, it's different for each of us...

I would stagger the snacks every 2 hours, like half a banana and 1 handful of peanuts, and it was enough to keep me from being hungry, but not alot to TAX your digestive system.  I noticed when I had to digest too much all at once, that's when I fell into the neurological sleep paralysis episodes...

 

Kinda like the reaction people have to the Tryptophan in the  turkey, with gravy and mashed potatoes, lol, everybody passes out, except I'd still be conscious just unable to move..

 

Oh my gosh, thankyou for the info. I found when I started WD that my stomach became very sensitive so I had to adjust to portion size and what didn’t sit well on my stomach. You sound like you have got it figured out. I also can eat a lot after ten p.m. but don’t dare because it interferes with my sleep.  Thankyou for taking the time to post this. I hope you are doing well! Have a wonderful day. 💐

[Pens]

March 4, 2020

Five hours sleep

A. M. Lightheaded, nauseous, dizzy, weak, shaky, tight muscles in the neck, muscle rub helped, warm hands and feet

5:15 AM eyedrop, Pred forte

5:30 AM Tylenol 500 for eye pain

6:30 AM breakfast, non-drowsy ginger by gravol

10:30 AM snack

11:35 AM  eye drop

11:30 AM very dizzy

11:45 AM nasal rinse

2:15 PM snack

4 PM Nasonex, Trouble breathing

5 PM Feeling weak

5:45 PM supper

8:30 PM mirtazapine 1.6 ML

WINDOW

11:00 PM bedtime

[Colonial]

2 hours ago, Pens said:

I also can eat a lot after ten p.m. but don’t dare because it interferes with my sleep.

 

We all seem to fall into similar patterns.  It's kinda cool actually, because You can read a thread, comment on what happened to You...

And the other person Is like:  "Oh, yeah, I had that"!  Or:  Oh yeah, I can do that only then too"!

 

Maybe try eating some protein after 10pm. 

Maybe if it's not carbs or sugar rushing into your system it might not be as stimulating and the extra "work" Your body has to expend to digest will let You sleep.

 

Just look out with the prednisone, thats a powerful drug and many people cant handle it.  If you start feeling strange in a way not normal to Your WD...

It may be that...

Your very welcome and have a great day! ❤️🥰❤️

[Colonial]

2 hours ago, Pens said:

. I found when I started WD that my stomach became very sensitive so I had to adjust to portion size and what didn’t sit well on my stomach.

 

Sorry, I forgot to add, that this can also be from adding too many DIFFERENT types of food into Your stomach at once.

Different foods require competing enzymes to digest them, like You should not eat meat at the same time with fruit and carbs.

So, if Your eating meat and potatoes, in the weakened state, Your body is trying to compensate for to many different processes that have to go on at once.

It's not just portion size, it's allowing Your body to only have to digest ONE type of enzyme related food at a time.

So I learned if I wanted meat, like some chicken or steak, that was great, I just didn't eat anything else at the same time, and that helped with the bloating issues, etc.

Like I said, it was reducing the load down to a few foods, and not overloading my system with putting foods from all different categories in my stomach at once...

That helped with the nausea after meals too. 

 

Also, processed foods contain NEURO-TOXINS... Artificial colors, flavors, MSG, Ect...

These can exacerbate Your symptoms without even knowing why.  People realize their symptoms are worse after eating Chinese food take out, etc...

It's another reason plain foods in their natural forms are best for right now...

We forget that we're adding POISONOUS DRUGS IN THE FOODS WE EAT, And then wonder why we feel worse...

The good news is, it;s not forever, once You stabilize You can eventually add most if not all of those foods back in...

It's just that right now, with the brain teetering on the edge with a raw wound, grazing it with any other chemical is going to cause pain.

 

Ok, I'm really done now... Lol

 

 

[Pens]

@Colonial thanks for expounding on this, it makes me cringe to look back and see how I ate especially at work, chocolate bars, coffee, prepackaged meals, just quick easy stuff. Am looking forward to having clean health and not be on antidepressants. Will try some of these methods. Eating better is going to improve my mood. I appreciate your advice .and wish you well. ☺️💐 

[Colonial]

I firmly believe if "we" had done even half of the things, meaning food and behavioral changes, we have to do to survive WD to begin with...

We never would have gotten a "diagnosis" and a drug recommendation to start.

 

Oh! And same things with Your liquids!

Things like Cool Aid and Ensure and Protein drinks are LOADED with Neuro toxins...Artificial colors and flavors, etc..

Plenty of water and regular Milk is all most people need.

Just be aware Milk, while a great source of Protein that's easily digestible, is high in naturally occurring sugars, so an actual cup instead of downing a whole glass at once....

Spread Your Milk out over the day, if Your able to drink it. 

 

 

[Pens]

On 3/4/2020 at 12:51 AM, manymoretodays said:

1.52 mg or 1.52 mL for the next taper. 

Hi manymoretodays, on my next taper could I go 1.5 ml instead. It’s easier to measure or would that be too much? 

[Pens]

forgot to mention March 4 @ bedtime gravol 25 mg.

March 5, 2020

5 hrs sleep

a.m. Mild leg cramps, lightheaded, agitated, anxiety 

7:45 breakfast 

hands and feet cool, itchy scalp 

1045 eye drop

12:00 lunch 

12:30 tongue numb and bitter taste (pred forte)?

2:00 itchy neck, tight chest

3:00 snack

5:00 supper

5:30 dizzy, indigestion, heartburn, had spaghetti with sauce, gavison 2 tabs

8:30 mirtazapine 1.6 ml.

11:00 bedtime

 

[Pens]

March 6, 2020

no eye drop

a.m. very weak, shaky, nausea, no appetite, no energy, agitated 

7:00 cold hands, itchy scalp

7:35 warm hands and feet 1/2 apple

9:00 breakfast

p.m. Restless

12:00 lunch, cold hands and feet

1:30 ginger pill

2:00 very cold

4:45 supper 

8:30 1.6 ml mirtazapine 

late snacking

bedtime 1:30 a.m.

 

 

[Pens]

Hi

I am guessing that by taking Pred forte drops for my eye, I’m triggering withdrawl symptoms from mirtazapine. I read on SA that you can be very sensitive to different things and this would also involve histamine which is a neurotransmitter. Would that be correct? I thought I was having an allergic reaction to the Pred Forte but in reality it was triggering my withdrawal symptoms. Would taking a Benadryl to help be OK for times when it becomes very uncomfortable. I took Benadryl today and my breathing cleared up and so did the itching. Is that why I need to shampoo my hair so often because I feel itchy? I guess thats why iI have to watch my high histamine diet too because the brain is trying to recover. 😊💐

[Pens]

March 7, 2029

 2 1/2 hrs sleep 

a.m. dizzy, nauseous, depressed, trembling 

5:00 eye drop

5:45 itchy scalp and neck

7:00 apple

9:00 cold hands

10:15 brunch 

10:35 bad indigestion 

12:30 p.m. itchy red rash on neck

2:00 tongue itchy, burning 

3:00 Benadryl, breathing and itching improved 

stomach hurts 

8:30 mirtazapine 1.6 ml

9:00 gravol 25 mg

9:45 rubbing alcohol for muscles 

11:00 gravol 25 mg. Trouble getting to sleep

 

[Pens]

March 8, 2020

sleep  4 1/2 hours

a.m. stressed, agitated, racing thoughts, nauseous, dizzy, salvitate a lot ( been doing this for a while)

9:00 breakfast 

cold hands and feet

11:25 apple

p.m. Tense muscles, shoulder and neck, this has been happening for a while

12:00 cold

1:00 lunch

1:10 indigestion, tight chest, heartburn 

2:00 stomach eased up

3:30 snack, cold hands

5:00 supper, had some pumpkin seeds and face was slightly itchy 

8:30 mirtazapine 1.6 ml 

10:30 bedtime 1- gravol 50 mg. ( opened a new pkg thought it was 25 mg) Hadn’t meant to take 50. 

[Pens]

On 3/7/2020 at 3:51 PM, Pens said:

Hi

I am guessing that by taking Pred forte drops for my eye, I’m triggering withdrawl symptoms from mirtazapine. I read on SA that you can be very sensitive to different things and this would also involve histamine which is a neurotransmitter. Would that be correct? I thought I was having an allergic reaction to the Pred Forte but in reality it was triggering my withdrawal symptoms. Would taking a Benadryl to help be OK for times when it becomes very uncomfortable. I took Benadryl today and my breathing cleared up and so did the itching. Is that why I need to shampoo my hair so often because I feel itchy? I guess thats why iI have to watch my high histamine diet too because the brain is trying to recover. 😊💐

Please ignore my post, sometimes I get to rambling lol. 

[Pens]

March 9, 2020

Three hours sleep

A. M. Itchy all over, scalp, tents, trembling, feeling numb, emotionally depressed

5 o’clock Breakfast, cereal

6 o’clock Benadryl

9 o’clock feeling cold

915 indigestion

1030 snack, Gaviscon

P. M. Always have dry mouth and eyes a nose today very bad

12 o’clock lunch, ginger pill for nausea

2 o’clock Baked potato awful indigestion, gaviscon

4 o’clock coconut milk

6 o’clock upset stomach, treadmill 15 minutes

10 o’clock bedtime

[Pens]

March 10, 2020

took 25 mg gravol the night before

a.m. Dizzy, nausea, calmer, I have thrush

6 hrs sleep

6:00 a.m. eye drop

9:15 breakfast 

11:00 snack

p.m. Ate garlic, honey and ACV for yeast infection 

12:30 lunch cold

2:00 slice of rye bread, gaviscon

5:30 eye drop, cold hands

6:45 stomach hurts, itchy face

7:20 Claritin for. Allergic reaction to Pred Forte

8:30 mirtazapine 1.6 ml

10:45 bedtime

[Pens]

March 11, 2020

A. M. Agitated, thrush, tense, trembling, cold,

Five hours sleep

815 eyedrop, last one

830 breakfast

1015 snack

1045 Claritin, itchy all over, might be from Pred forte

11:50 lunch

120 snack

3 PM Gaviscon

6 PM supper

8 PM Tylenol for headache, mirtazapine 1.6 ml., 

8:30 PM probiotic for thrush

10:15 PM bedtime

[Pens]

@manymoretodaysHi, I’m finished the eye drops Yesterday,  would it be too soon to taper down on my mirtazapine to 1.5 mg.?

[manymoretodays]

Hi Pens,

So you would like to try the 6% reduction, to 1.5 mg then, as soon as possible?

Pens, have you tried any magnesium yet, either Epsom Salts in a tub, or orally?  I'm just looking at your notes.  It might be calming.

 

And then still a lot of the itchy and allergic type responses?  Ugh.And saw the use of rubbing alcohol topically.....was that for the itchiness?  That could be really drying.  Thus creating more itchies.  Try some oatmeal baths, if you are okay with the colloidal oatmeal(prepackaged stuff you can buy) or some make homemade recipes for bathing(can be found googling)? 

 

If you are okay with it, let's just give it a couple more days.  You're done with the eye drops.  Yay!  I want to see if the allergic reactions are better, or less often, without the Pred forte, or prednisolone.  I hope we see less symptoms overall soon.

 

If you feel differently, and do want to proceed.......I'm okay with that too Pens.  You have a better sense of your body and all, than I do.

And oh my gosh, thank you for all the notes and attentiveness.

 

You're the best!

L, P, H, and G,

mmt