☼ Miami1 Stabilizing on mirtazapine

[Miami1]

June 14. Day 14 off remeron

 

Had a pretty fair day yesterday although anxiety started building up last night and back into a wave of anxiety panic and agitation with a touch of depression. Still on magnesium and last 3 nights on 12.5 of vistaril.

Trying to stay positive realizing I had 3 non consecutive days of windows but this WD is mentally crippling.

 

Would appreciate any encouragement .

 

Thank you

[Miami1]

Having a very difficult time. Depression crying desperation inside tremor. Will this pass? Feel like I'm losing it.

Pls someone tell me I'll make it.

[dalsaan]

Hi

 

Sorry you are going through this. If it was me I would reinstate to .9 and not jump off. You have come to far to frazzle your system now. No one can tell you how long this will last and you could end up with a very unhappy nervous system

 

 

It's a no brainer to me. Reinstate, wait until you have actually stabilised and then continue tapering

 

D

[Miami1]

Thk u Dalsaan;

 

at this point I will have to consider that option. I also have to take into consideration how sick I was on it compared to how sick I am off it. I never really had as many windows on it than I've experienced off it. This week I had both mon&tue window then a Friday window until the evening wave set in which is currently pounding me now.

 

I also have read so many people that after jumping off have found that after the 1st month sx start to lessen, then after 3 months things have mostly settled. I will go day by day and hope that my relief is around the bend.

[dalsaan]

Sure, that's a decision for you to make. Nobody here can tell you what's round the bend so it's up to you to manage your thoughts and emotions in regard to what's happening for you .

 

I haven fingers crossed for you and hope it works out well

 

D

[Miami1]

Thks D for your insight and support !

[Miami1]

Hi all;

today is my 23rd day of mirtz and it's been extremely difficult. I had a gene test done and the report says i don't metabolize ad's.

Therefore it seems that when I was on a certain dose for a while it was over stimulating. That happened from the beginning since jan this year I started on mirtz at 3.75 mg.

 

I'm hoping I don't have much to go although I've read 3 months is when things settle down.

 

Also I have itching spells that started 3 days ago, hands feet arms head, anyone heard of this coming off mirtz?

 

Thks, Miami

[chicken]

Miami,

I've believe I've heard of itching associated with Mirtz. When I quit to fast on Mirtz I just had insomonia and anxiety and night sweats like hot flashes. It seems meds can call all sorts of stuff.

I just said a prayer for you.

[Miami1]

Thx chic; I appreciate your prayers.

[Miami1]

WD from mirtz has become almost unbearable.

I have considered rienstating but am conserned because of a gene DNA test that says I am a slow metabolizer therefore explaining the likelihood when I was on a specific mirtz dose It would eventually rev me up after a period of time.

This happened when I initialy got on mirtz in jan 2014 @ 3.75mg two weeks later.

I jumped off May 31 @ 0.9mg.

Report mention this issue with ssri as well as most all pyschotropics.

 

What options do I have if any?

 

Please any advise welcomed , Miami

[dalsaan]

If it was me I would reinstate at .9 and wait to stabalise.  .9 is a very low dose less likely to trigger a reaction but possibly enough to settle withdrawal.

[Hopefull]

Hi Miami,

 

I feel for you. I too have been on mirtz. since January and currently on 7.5 mgs. I am also a slow metaboliser that is why I had to drop from 15mgs to 7.5mgs. A week a go I stoped taking mirtz and was ok. for 3 days and the fourth day I felt a slow wave of panic creep up, hot flashes and tummy upset. What I really want to know from your experience did you ever experience adrenaline rushes to your head from this medication. I can't quiet explain it. It is the most weird feeling. Like you are about to have a panic attack but it is not exactly. I reinstated 7.5 mgs and the intensity has subsided but I still it get very faintly at night. I had a similar feeling when I reduced the dose from 15mgs. to 7.5mg and after I quit Seroquel cold turkey.  I would really appreciate your input. Sometimes this really scares me, as I am not sure why this happens.  I noticed in your post that mirtz. sometimes revs you up after a period of time. How would I know if the same thing is happening to me? What are the symptoms. I so badly want to come of the drug, have been thinking about it for a while. Tried last week, but will remain for a while, lot of things going on for a moment. I hope you don't mind me asking you questions. I hope you will get better.

[Miami1]

Hi Dalsaan ;

Going to doc tomorrow . Should I consider another drug besides rem like doxepin or any other lighter type ad or mood stabilizer?. Just fishing here to see options if any.

 

Thx,m

[Miami1]

Hopeful I'm sorry your in this mess as well!

I also started mirtz in jan of this year @ 3.75mg.

 

After a few weeks of the current dose, 30 min after dosing anxiety would set in.

Even though at the same time felt the antihistamine effect but the racing inside would begin and take over and would not be able to sleep.

 

I was given mirtz for sleep. I think what your feeling when you say rushes is that feeling of overwhelming anxiety. That feeling I began to experience when my dose became over stimulating and when I'd reduce the dose because of overstimulation.

 

This drug could make you feel bad in so many ways. I personally was not able to stabilize on it the last 2-3 months on it.

 

Hope this helps , good luck

[Hopefull]

Hi Miami,

 

My pharmacy stocks water soluble Mirtazapine, (15 mgs tablets). The pharmacist told me that you would dissolve the tablet in 15mls of water and then withdraw the amount needed with a syringe and discard the rest.  Maybe this would help. Not sure if it is available in Florida. I am from a different country.

[Miami1]

Thks hopeful, I have a compounding pharm make a liquid suspension.

Good luck

[Miami1]

Alto pls chime in.

If I reinstate as suggested by Dalsaan should it be again remeron? Dosage back to 0.9 ?

[Petunia]

I'm not Alto, but I agree with Dalsaan.  We usually recommend going back on the same drug which is causing the withdrawals.  This topic on reinstatement might help you decide:

 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/3079-about-reinstating-and-stabilizing-to-stop-withdrawal-symptoms/

[Miami1]

Hi Petu : I don't know what to do at this point. This is horrific. Day 26 and I get these horrible waves every third day lasting sometimes through the night. Then after I'm so exhausted next day things calm down and zero anxiety sleep well the following night. 2nd day wake up with some anxiety and tolerable sx throughout the day. Sleep fair that 2nd night 5-6 hrs then it starts again the super wave.

Is that day of calm after the heavy wave considered solely exhaustion or partial window?

[chicken]

Miami,

How are you doing?

 

I've been praying for you.

[Miami1]

Thk u chick !

I truly appreciate your prayers . Today was a much better day just hoping not far from turning the corner.

Today was day 27.

You will be in my prayers.

[Hopefull]

Hi Miami,

 

Thank you for your input. I really hope you come through this.  It must be overwhelming anxiety! The feeling is horrible! I honestly wish you all the best!

[Miami1]

This hopeful : today the anxiety is overwhelming. Looking fwd for it to pass.im almost at a month if it takes me like most pep that have been through this 3 months, it's going to be a long 2 months

[chicken]

THis is the reason I don't think I may be able to go off Mirtz. I can't handle the anxiety, esp. for 3 months.

[wulfgar]

Chicken, you have already reduced mirtazapine from 30 to 15. I can se no indications reading through your thread that you couldn't come of mirtazapine with a slow careful taper.

 

Miami. Im rooting for you! You've come a long way and hopefully/probably there is relief just round the corner!

[chicken]

Wolf,

Do you think Miami may have jumped too fast off the mirz too fast? It almost seems like no matter how low the dose you jump from you still have crippling insomina and anxiety.

[chicken]

Miami,,

I found this on another forum.

 

"I had an online appointment with Dr Healy.

He says mirtazapine is different to ssri's to withdraw from and basically said its very hard to come off. Doctors aren't aware of this at all and most think it's not addictive."

 

From my studies Mirtz is in drug class all its own.

[chicken]

Miami,

I just sent an email to Dr. Healy. I believe he has a lot of experience with Mirtzapine withdrawal.

I asked him for suggestions.

I will let you know what he says.

[wilma78]

How you going miami.. just read through your whole posts.. :-) sorry u are having such a bad time. I can relate to most of it as I started mirtazapine the end of jan 2014 and was told to cone off over next night 6 weeks ago due to ending up weak and in bed all the time... after 7 days... well u know how it feels... I have had up and down doses the last four weeks and now currently trying to stabalize on 3.75mg. The liquid mirt I think I was allergic to so am gonna stick to tablets. I just thought I'd mention that I tried magnesium and since my cnd has been offline it revs me up so stopped taking it.

 

Chicken I'm interested in what yr dr healy says too :-)

[Miami1]

Thks Wilma: today day 28 extreme anxiety then turning into sadness of thinking I'll never come out of this.

I've been crying like never before.

But I have no other choice but to come out the other side. I know this is WD but it's like your life has feel out from under you

[wilma78]

I know that feeling of saddness I felt that when I made the jump from 3.75mg to 1.85mg over night and after 2 days I felt flu like and after 6 days the blank doomy saddness feeling jumped in... I tried to soldier on tellung myself that I didn't feel that low before rhe drug so I knew it wasn't me but then the drug makes you think all sorts of weird things... what if this feelings means this or whatvif I did that.. from reading lots on here I believe this is a common side effect of the drug.. that repative hold over our minds. You are strong day 28... what an achievement that is a POSITIVE :-)

Try to think of the post someone put on yr wall about our brains being a plant growing up a trellis. ... we have snipped the trellis down from the top close to the bottom and and the plant is very slowly learning to grow its own NATURAL way... I can't remember who posted it but that has helped me understand this withdrawal lark so much since reading it. X

[Miami1]

Please need advice & encouragement ; 30 days of mirtz

The horrific waves last all day. The morning starts with anxiety and either continues all day or turns into depression with a range of other sx like desperation ,crying ,anguish it's just horrible, you all know the story. Most people that have come off at low doses say 1st month is bad which it is but lots of them have seen relief after 2-3 weeks. I didn't get hit till 11 days after jumping and now 30 days out I think it getting worse. I'm sleeping fair with the help of vistaril which may be the culprit for depression.

 

After I have an entire day and into the night of crushing anxiety, the following day I'm exhausted no anxiety and feel fair with appetite.

Then the following day the cycle begins again with the morning anxiety increasing and at times giving way to depression or just the anxiety for the rest of the day.

 

I'm taking magnesium lemon balm and small doses of vistaril for sleep. Vistiril only been taking nightly for a week.

 

Anyone jump off of mirtz on low dose that has been successful ? Someone suggested CBD Cannabidiol ?

I still don't think I'm dealing with underneath benzo WD.

 

Appreciate any advise. Thx , Miami

[chicken]

Miami,

I hope it gets better for you. This is making me think less and less of getting off the drug.

Dr. David Healy says it's a tough one to get of.

We will still be praying for you.

[chicken]

Miami,

Do you think reinstating will help?

 

What about cross tapering with effexor?

[chicken]

Miami,

Here is some encouragment for you. I found this post on another forum.

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"Hi everybody, I used to be very active here, but at some point I decided it was better for my recovery to try to forget about withdrawal and to focus more on my goals. But I decided to stop by and let you know how I'm doing.

I completed my remeron taper in June 2013. I had a heck of a [...] doing it, especially by the end, and was forced to reinstate a couple of times. The first three months after completion were definitely the worst, and then I started improving very fast. Right now most of my discomforts are gone. Gone is the feeling of impending doom, the crazy anxiety, the twitches, the itchiness, etc. I had a harder [...] getting rid of the social phobia (never had that problem before remeron), and I still have to fight my impulse to flee certain situations (i.e., having small talk with people I don't know that well). But I've been living a pretty normal life, I passed an important exam, I've traveled extensively, and nowadays I only have periodic reminders of the remeron nightmare. I still have to deal with insomnia once or twice a week, I wake up many times throughout the night, I find it hard to get more than 6 hours sleep, but then I was a poor sleeper before benzo and remeron withdrawal, so that's not new.
Only PMS is still bothering me (I didn't have it before w/d). I feel down right before my period, and have a lot of  breast tenderness.

However, I consider myself pretty much recovered and I can't believe that just a year ago I was suffering so much. It seems so distant right now, like it happened in another life. So cheer up, be patient and remind yourself that your suffering will have an end, and that you'll have your life back to resume all your plans and dreams.
Sending you lots of healing, positivity, and love,"

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[Miami1]

Thx chic. ! Looks like the three month rule again!

This sounds like a poster that goes by , tiger L?

Thank you for going through the trouble digging it up for me!