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Hi guys

Need some advice or help!

Thursday at work I noticed I started to feel not quite right. Started to get mild body aches. There are a few viruses going around the office currently. People complaining of hot and cold and headaches. Well Thursday evening comes around and I'm almost curled into a ball with pain through whole body and tingling in hands arms and legs. Felt really unwell, headache too. Took some codiene it settled it down. Went to bed early. Had a very restless night hot and cold all night.. Sweats, too hot under covers too cold out of them. Aching body all over. Total confusion in head. Fridaybdragged myself into work, but an hour later on way home again... Took more tablets they seem to take edge off and feel sort of OK. Also got a large mouth ulcer under tongue. Also nausea and slight cramping.

 

Still feel terrible today.. I'm supposed to be working all day Sunday on my feet.

 

My question is while in withdrawal can a simple virus bring on withdrawal symptoms likebthis? Or am I hitting a wall?? My dose drops have been gradual or so I've thought.

Or does it amplify the symptoms of a virus?

Or it is just withdrawal?

 

Nobody will know my exact answer, but does anybody have experience with this?

2008 (approx) Lexapro 10mg.  2009 attempted cold turkey 5mg for 2 weeks - crash and burn.  2009 back on 10mg.

2012 - pooped out - but didn't know.   2014 - poop-out got worse.  2014 sept 20mg, 2014 oct 15mg, 2014 nov 10mg

2014 dec 7.5mg,  2014 dec 23rd crashed.  Dec 24th 10mg - trying to stabilize

2015 Jan Stabilized as much as thought I would, 2015 Jan 9mg, 2015 Late Feb, 8mg, 2015 late Mar 7mg.  22nd May 6.3mg

2015 small "slide" down to 6mg.  19th June 5mg. 15th Aug 4.5mg - slid down to 4mg.  Sept 20th 3.8mg.

2015 gradual decrease between Oct and Nov 10th to 3mg:  Dec between 3-2mg.  2016 Jan15th 2mg  Feb: 1.8mg, somewhere got to 1.6mg.

2016 Feb 25th crashed!  Not sure if sick or WD, back to 2mg.

2016 During March - gradual decrease to 1.8mg, then 1.5mg.  April 19th 1mg

2016 June 8th 0.8mg   July 1st 0.6mg:  Sept 0.4mg (long hold)

2017 Jan 0.2mg

2017 May 0!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  YAY

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Hi all again.

Update.

Still not feeling well.

As I was suffering really badly with all sorts of symptoms on Saturday, I went back to 2mg.

I could not cope.

Head was foggy, body was aching really badly, ulcers in mouth again, chills, and quite grumpy. (Mind you pretty hard to be upbeat when you feel so miserable in your body!)

Oh and insomnia!!  bad!

 

I still don't know if what I'm going through is a huge wave of withdrawal or just a virus... or combination (and both feeding off each other)?  It has the hallmarks of pretty nasty withdrawal.  There is a virus of some sort going through people at work though, hot and cold, headaches etc (nobody else got the body aches - they just wipe me out - I have no tolerance for them).

I'm still quite flat emotionally and mentally.

It's a bit of a struggle to push through currently.

 

I'm back at 2mg now, until things get back to normal.

2008 (approx) Lexapro 10mg.  2009 attempted cold turkey 5mg for 2 weeks - crash and burn.  2009 back on 10mg.

2012 - pooped out - but didn't know.   2014 - poop-out got worse.  2014 sept 20mg, 2014 oct 15mg, 2014 nov 10mg

2014 dec 7.5mg,  2014 dec 23rd crashed.  Dec 24th 10mg - trying to stabilize

2015 Jan Stabilized as much as thought I would, 2015 Jan 9mg, 2015 Late Feb, 8mg, 2015 late Mar 7mg.  22nd May 6.3mg

2015 small "slide" down to 6mg.  19th June 5mg. 15th Aug 4.5mg - slid down to 4mg.  Sept 20th 3.8mg.

2015 gradual decrease between Oct and Nov 10th to 3mg:  Dec between 3-2mg.  2016 Jan15th 2mg  Feb: 1.8mg, somewhere got to 1.6mg.

2016 Feb 25th crashed!  Not sure if sick or WD, back to 2mg.

2016 During March - gradual decrease to 1.8mg, then 1.5mg.  April 19th 1mg

2016 June 8th 0.8mg   July 1st 0.6mg:  Sept 0.4mg (long hold)

2017 Jan 0.2mg

2017 May 0!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  YAY

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Update

I'm still struggling - quite badly.

I'm still confused as to if this is withdrawal or a general illness / virus.

Main things I'm struggling with are:

Fatigue - amazingly strong.

Headaches - pretty much constant and moderate

fuzzy head - hard to concentrate

occassional body aches - seem to be over the most of it

sore throat and ulcers have cleared - which is nice.

emotional flatness - totally and utterly flat and MEH!

Restless too.

 

Took 2mg again this morning - on the off chance it's a huge wave that has crashed around me.

 

I noticed when I did my 2 big interstate trips for work (and at the destination - worked extremely hard on my feet for 12 hour days) that it REALLY took it out of me.

So I'm thinking that when I get something like a virus or just extra busy - it brings on withdrawal symptoms.

2008 (approx) Lexapro 10mg.  2009 attempted cold turkey 5mg for 2 weeks - crash and burn.  2009 back on 10mg.

2012 - pooped out - but didn't know.   2014 - poop-out got worse.  2014 sept 20mg, 2014 oct 15mg, 2014 nov 10mg

2014 dec 7.5mg,  2014 dec 23rd crashed.  Dec 24th 10mg - trying to stabilize

2015 Jan Stabilized as much as thought I would, 2015 Jan 9mg, 2015 Late Feb, 8mg, 2015 late Mar 7mg.  22nd May 6.3mg

2015 small "slide" down to 6mg.  19th June 5mg. 15th Aug 4.5mg - slid down to 4mg.  Sept 20th 3.8mg.

2015 gradual decrease between Oct and Nov 10th to 3mg:  Dec between 3-2mg.  2016 Jan15th 2mg  Feb: 1.8mg, somewhere got to 1.6mg.

2016 Feb 25th crashed!  Not sure if sick or WD, back to 2mg.

2016 During March - gradual decrease to 1.8mg, then 1.5mg.  April 19th 1mg

2016 June 8th 0.8mg   July 1st 0.6mg:  Sept 0.4mg (long hold)

2017 Jan 0.2mg

2017 May 0!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  YAY

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Scott.   That's really hard to say . You might have a virus , on top of W/D , which is accentuating symptoms . Extra stress , in any form can bring on a wave. There's no choice but to ride it through , taking extremely  good care of yourself , in the meantime. Traveling , can do it , too.  It's interesting how the last symptoms to go , are often the same , with a lot of us.

Ali

Many SSRI's and SSNRI's over 20 years. Zoloft for 7 years followed by Effexor, Lexapro, Prozac, Cymbalta, Celexa, Pristiq, Valdoxan, Mianserin and more - on and off. No tapering. Cold turkey off Valdoxan - end of May 2014

 

                                                  Psych Drug - free since May 2014
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Hi Ali  Thanks for replying,.

I was going quite well up until last Thursday.

 

As of today, I seem to be getting on top of it, not quite as fatigued, headache subsiding.  Def feeling better.

Started taking Magnesium Chelate as well as my normal multivitamin.

Also take Spiralina

 

I think it was a perfect storm, i think I dropped 2 dose levels too quickly, and then got hit with a virus.

Travelling really knocks it out of me.  Has done for a long time now.

I've never had a great constitution!!  Always needed to make sure I get rest.

 

Boy that was pretty bad for a few days there, I couldn't stand it... horrible.

Just a reminder that it's not over yet.

2008 (approx) Lexapro 10mg.  2009 attempted cold turkey 5mg for 2 weeks - crash and burn.  2009 back on 10mg.

2012 - pooped out - but didn't know.   2014 - poop-out got worse.  2014 sept 20mg, 2014 oct 15mg, 2014 nov 10mg

2014 dec 7.5mg,  2014 dec 23rd crashed.  Dec 24th 10mg - trying to stabilize

2015 Jan Stabilized as much as thought I would, 2015 Jan 9mg, 2015 Late Feb, 8mg, 2015 late Mar 7mg.  22nd May 6.3mg

2015 small "slide" down to 6mg.  19th June 5mg. 15th Aug 4.5mg - slid down to 4mg.  Sept 20th 3.8mg.

2015 gradual decrease between Oct and Nov 10th to 3mg:  Dec between 3-2mg.  2016 Jan15th 2mg  Feb: 1.8mg, somewhere got to 1.6mg.

2016 Feb 25th crashed!  Not sure if sick or WD, back to 2mg.

2016 During March - gradual decrease to 1.8mg, then 1.5mg.  April 19th 1mg

2016 June 8th 0.8mg   July 1st 0.6mg:  Sept 0.4mg (long hold)

2017 Jan 0.2mg

2017 May 0!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  YAY

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Oh NO! I always think your case a successful taper of lex.

 

I feel it might have something to do with your recent fast reduction. It seems in the past month or so you did 20% cut at one point. Your taper prior to that was quite speedy as well which can be catching up now. 

 

Wjen did you go back to 2 and how have you been feeling since then?

Drug free Sep. 23 2017

2009 Mar.: lexapro 10mg for headache for 2 weeks.

2009-2012: on and off 1/4 to 1/3 of 10mg

2012 June--2013 Jan,: 1/4-1/3 of 10mg generic, bad jaw pain

2013 Jan-Mar: 10 mg generic. severe jaw and head pain;

2013 Mar--Aug. started tapering (liquid ever since) from 10 to 5 (one step) then gradually down to 2.25 mg by July. first ever panic attack, severe head/jaw pain

2013 Aug.: back to 2.75 mg; Nov: back to Brand Lex. 2.75mg -- 3mg,

2014 June: stopped PPI, head pressure/numbness. up-dosed 4.5mg, severe reaction mental symptoms added on

2014 Aug--2015 Aug: Micro taper down to 3.2mg, .025mg (<1%) cut holding 2-3 weeks.

2015 Aug 15th, Accidental one dose of 4.2mg. worsening brain non-functional, swollen head, body, coma like, DR

2016 Feb., started dosing 10am through 11 pm everyday 2/13--3.2mg, 3/15-- 2.9mg, 4/19-- 2.6mg, 6/26--2.2mg, 7/22 --1.9mg, 8/16--1.8mg,8/31--1.7m g, 9/13--1.6mg, 9/27--1.5mg, 10/8--1.4mg, 10/14--1.3mg, 11/1--1.2mg, 11/29--1.1mg, 12/12--1mg, 12/22--0.9mg

2017: 1/7--0.8mg, 1/15--0.7mg, 1/17--0.6mg, 1/20--0.52, 1/21--0.4mg, 1/22--0.26, 1/23--0.2, 2/13--0.13mg, 2/20--0.06mg, 3/18--0.13mg, 6/1--0.12mg, 7/6--0.1mg, 7/14--0.08mg, 8/17--0.04mg, 8/20--0.03mg, 8/28--0.02mg, 9/6--0.0205mg, 9/8--0.02mg, 9/17--0.015mg, 9/20--0.01mg, 9/21--0.0048mg, 9/22--0.0001mg,

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Hi LexAnger..

I do think that it is a lot to do with possibly too many adjustments recently - as well as getting sick...

Co-workers and step son have all had this little bug, and all lost appetite, sore throat, tired etc.

I just seemed to get a bunch of WD on top of it.

 

As of today - feeling slightly and mostly better.

Having gone back to 2mg, it ALMOST feels like I'm taking 20mg!!!  I feel REALLY stupified, and numbed..

Most of the WD has eased off now, but feels like I'm "doped" up a bit - not in a good way either....

 

Small set back.  I'll get there.

It's just a very strange process of getting off this toxin.

2008 (approx) Lexapro 10mg.  2009 attempted cold turkey 5mg for 2 weeks - crash and burn.  2009 back on 10mg.

2012 - pooped out - but didn't know.   2014 - poop-out got worse.  2014 sept 20mg, 2014 oct 15mg, 2014 nov 10mg

2014 dec 7.5mg,  2014 dec 23rd crashed.  Dec 24th 10mg - trying to stabilize

2015 Jan Stabilized as much as thought I would, 2015 Jan 9mg, 2015 Late Feb, 8mg, 2015 late Mar 7mg.  22nd May 6.3mg

2015 small "slide" down to 6mg.  19th June 5mg. 15th Aug 4.5mg - slid down to 4mg.  Sept 20th 3.8mg.

2015 gradual decrease between Oct and Nov 10th to 3mg:  Dec between 3-2mg.  2016 Jan15th 2mg  Feb: 1.8mg, somewhere got to 1.6mg.

2016 Feb 25th crashed!  Not sure if sick or WD, back to 2mg.

2016 During March - gradual decrease to 1.8mg, then 1.5mg.  April 19th 1mg

2016 June 8th 0.8mg   July 1st 0.6mg:  Sept 0.4mg (long hold)

2017 Jan 0.2mg

2017 May 0!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  YAY

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Scott.             

I would try and keep steady and stable from hereon in.  I'm not sure why you did such a big drop , but I would hold for a good while now , until you're symptom - free.  Let your CNS stabilize, before tapering further.

Ali

Many SSRI's and SSNRI's over 20 years. Zoloft for 7 years followed by Effexor, Lexapro, Prozac, Cymbalta, Celexa, Pristiq, Valdoxan, Mianserin and more - on and off. No tapering. Cold turkey off Valdoxan - end of May 2014

 

                                                  Psych Drug - free since May 2014
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Hi AliG.

I didn't think I did a big drop, just 2 drops from 2 -> 1.8 and then 1.8 -> 1.6 in about 4 weeks.

I think that was too quick, plus could have been some of the other drops catching up.

It's almost like we HAVE to have these nasty waves at some point... even with very gradual tapering.

Fatigue and the slightly foggy numbed feeling are with me now.

I can survive with this for now.

2mg for about a week so far.

2008 (approx) Lexapro 10mg.  2009 attempted cold turkey 5mg for 2 weeks - crash and burn.  2009 back on 10mg.

2012 - pooped out - but didn't know.   2014 - poop-out got worse.  2014 sept 20mg, 2014 oct 15mg, 2014 nov 10mg

2014 dec 7.5mg,  2014 dec 23rd crashed.  Dec 24th 10mg - trying to stabilize

2015 Jan Stabilized as much as thought I would, 2015 Jan 9mg, 2015 Late Feb, 8mg, 2015 late Mar 7mg.  22nd May 6.3mg

2015 small "slide" down to 6mg.  19th June 5mg. 15th Aug 4.5mg - slid down to 4mg.  Sept 20th 3.8mg.

2015 gradual decrease between Oct and Nov 10th to 3mg:  Dec between 3-2mg.  2016 Jan15th 2mg  Feb: 1.8mg, somewhere got to 1.6mg.

2016 Feb 25th crashed!  Not sure if sick or WD, back to 2mg.

2016 During March - gradual decrease to 1.8mg, then 1.5mg.  April 19th 1mg

2016 June 8th 0.8mg   July 1st 0.6mg:  Sept 0.4mg (long hold)

2017 Jan 0.2mg

2017 May 0!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  YAY

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Hi All

 

Update time.

Last update was about 5 days ago.

Since then I had a HUGE drop in mood over the weekend - Sunday night was extremely depressed, but could TELL it wasn't a normal depression.

I did have a few things I could have been depressed about, but it wasn't that.  It was def rebound type.

I've since moved on - and kept telling myself it'll pass - and it did.

Still feel the effect of Lexapro, that numbing MEH effect - which I detest.

Had a few very very mild tingling feelings in hands and feet, but very mild and passed quickly.

mood has stabilized.

Still very tired a lot of the time, into bed early - have been for months now.

still on 2mg.

Last day or so, felt slightly less numbed - bit more engaged.

I diluted a few syringes of liquid 1:1 with water in an older bottle.

Using that currently, so measuring .2 ml for 2mg

 

Seem to be stabilizing.

2008 (approx) Lexapro 10mg.  2009 attempted cold turkey 5mg for 2 weeks - crash and burn.  2009 back on 10mg.

2012 - pooped out - but didn't know.   2014 - poop-out got worse.  2014 sept 20mg, 2014 oct 15mg, 2014 nov 10mg

2014 dec 7.5mg,  2014 dec 23rd crashed.  Dec 24th 10mg - trying to stabilize

2015 Jan Stabilized as much as thought I would, 2015 Jan 9mg, 2015 Late Feb, 8mg, 2015 late Mar 7mg.  22nd May 6.3mg

2015 small "slide" down to 6mg.  19th June 5mg. 15th Aug 4.5mg - slid down to 4mg.  Sept 20th 3.8mg.

2015 gradual decrease between Oct and Nov 10th to 3mg:  Dec between 3-2mg.  2016 Jan15th 2mg  Feb: 1.8mg, somewhere got to 1.6mg.

2016 Feb 25th crashed!  Not sure if sick or WD, back to 2mg.

2016 During March - gradual decrease to 1.8mg, then 1.5mg.  April 19th 1mg

2016 June 8th 0.8mg   July 1st 0.6mg:  Sept 0.4mg (long hold)

2017 Jan 0.2mg

2017 May 0!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  YAY

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That's great the wave is short lived. Hope no more bumps along the way.

Drug free Sep. 23 2017

2009 Mar.: lexapro 10mg for headache for 2 weeks.

2009-2012: on and off 1/4 to 1/3 of 10mg

2012 June--2013 Jan,: 1/4-1/3 of 10mg generic, bad jaw pain

2013 Jan-Mar: 10 mg generic. severe jaw and head pain;

2013 Mar--Aug. started tapering (liquid ever since) from 10 to 5 (one step) then gradually down to 2.25 mg by July. first ever panic attack, severe head/jaw pain

2013 Aug.: back to 2.75 mg; Nov: back to Brand Lex. 2.75mg -- 3mg,

2014 June: stopped PPI, head pressure/numbness. up-dosed 4.5mg, severe reaction mental symptoms added on

2014 Aug--2015 Aug: Micro taper down to 3.2mg, .025mg (<1%) cut holding 2-3 weeks.

2015 Aug 15th, Accidental one dose of 4.2mg. worsening brain non-functional, swollen head, body, coma like, DR

2016 Feb., started dosing 10am through 11 pm everyday 2/13--3.2mg, 3/15-- 2.9mg, 4/19-- 2.6mg, 6/26--2.2mg, 7/22 --1.9mg, 8/16--1.8mg,8/31--1.7m g, 9/13--1.6mg, 9/27--1.5mg, 10/8--1.4mg, 10/14--1.3mg, 11/1--1.2mg, 11/29--1.1mg, 12/12--1mg, 12/22--0.9mg

2017: 1/7--0.8mg, 1/15--0.7mg, 1/17--0.6mg, 1/20--0.52, 1/21--0.4mg, 1/22--0.26, 1/23--0.2, 2/13--0.13mg, 2/20--0.06mg, 3/18--0.13mg, 6/1--0.12mg, 7/6--0.1mg, 7/14--0.08mg, 8/17--0.04mg, 8/20--0.03mg, 8/28--0.02mg, 9/6--0.0205mg, 9/8--0.02mg, 9/17--0.015mg, 9/20--0.01mg, 9/21--0.0048mg, 9/22--0.0001mg,

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Many SSRI's and SSNRI's over 20 years. Zoloft for 7 years followed by Effexor, Lexapro, Prozac, Cymbalta, Celexa, Pristiq, Valdoxan, Mianserin and more - on and off. No tapering. Cold turkey off Valdoxan - end of May 2014

 

                                                  Psych Drug - free since May 2014
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Check in time.

Have had some fairly big mood swings... they last a day or most of a day.

Saturday night was extremely depressed, but it feels different - the same different I've had when I get huge waves of depression in WD.

Friday and Friday night was almost a bit "up" which was nice for a change.

Sunday and Monday (holiday here in Melb) was quite flat.

I'm so sick of this - and what these drugs have done to me... still feel "something isn't right" in the background.

I was never like this before.

Seems I'm one of the unlucky ones who are destined to struggle their way off these damn things.

I used to be resilient and pretty much in control of my emotions and would always snap out of a blue streak.

But once the amotivational syndrome kicked in, I lost that.  THe moods come and go of their own accord - less a reaction to what is happening around you and to you.

 

Sorry if this was a bit of a rant.

 

I also think that although I'm measuring the liquid as carefully as I can every day - that the amount of active Lexapro in it fluctuates a bit, plus the amount that I actually put into my mouth is SO TINY - that a difference of less than 1mm on the syringe to make a difference is almost hard to believe.

 

Today I feel pretty good.

2008 (approx) Lexapro 10mg.  2009 attempted cold turkey 5mg for 2 weeks - crash and burn.  2009 back on 10mg.

2012 - pooped out - but didn't know.   2014 - poop-out got worse.  2014 sept 20mg, 2014 oct 15mg, 2014 nov 10mg

2014 dec 7.5mg,  2014 dec 23rd crashed.  Dec 24th 10mg - trying to stabilize

2015 Jan Stabilized as much as thought I would, 2015 Jan 9mg, 2015 Late Feb, 8mg, 2015 late Mar 7mg.  22nd May 6.3mg

2015 small "slide" down to 6mg.  19th June 5mg. 15th Aug 4.5mg - slid down to 4mg.  Sept 20th 3.8mg.

2015 gradual decrease between Oct and Nov 10th to 3mg:  Dec between 3-2mg.  2016 Jan15th 2mg  Feb: 1.8mg, somewhere got to 1.6mg.

2016 Feb 25th crashed!  Not sure if sick or WD, back to 2mg.

2016 During March - gradual decrease to 1.8mg, then 1.5mg.  April 19th 1mg

2016 June 8th 0.8mg   July 1st 0.6mg:  Sept 0.4mg (long hold)

2017 Jan 0.2mg

2017 May 0!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  YAY

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Update time.

Seem to be in a nice window... plus a bit extra!

Last 2-3 days have felt really good.  Actually felt ALMOST med free - getting a nice warm feeling of contentment wash over - not ovelry strong, just subtly there, and it's a feeling that is so familiar to me - but has been absent for SO LONG!!

Man - those meds rob you of SO MUCH.  You just feel "off" and "somethnig is missing".

Might be fine if you're in a MAJOR depressive episode, but other than that - they are the worst.

 

Def feeling a LOT more like my normal self

Like a sigh of relief.

 

I hope everybody here gets moments like these!!!! 

 

Also - I've noticed another pattern with my recovery... it seems that no matter how small my taper, or how long I hold, it seems my body goes through large steps of withdrawal.

Like I get a bad wave, then seem to be better for it on th eother side.

It's almost feels like there is nothing you can do to avoid it.

Just have to go down these steps.

2008 (approx) Lexapro 10mg.  2009 attempted cold turkey 5mg for 2 weeks - crash and burn.  2009 back on 10mg.

2012 - pooped out - but didn't know.   2014 - poop-out got worse.  2014 sept 20mg, 2014 oct 15mg, 2014 nov 10mg

2014 dec 7.5mg,  2014 dec 23rd crashed.  Dec 24th 10mg - trying to stabilize

2015 Jan Stabilized as much as thought I would, 2015 Jan 9mg, 2015 Late Feb, 8mg, 2015 late Mar 7mg.  22nd May 6.3mg

2015 small "slide" down to 6mg.  19th June 5mg. 15th Aug 4.5mg - slid down to 4mg.  Sept 20th 3.8mg.

2015 gradual decrease between Oct and Nov 10th to 3mg:  Dec between 3-2mg.  2016 Jan15th 2mg  Feb: 1.8mg, somewhere got to 1.6mg.

2016 Feb 25th crashed!  Not sure if sick or WD, back to 2mg.

2016 During March - gradual decrease to 1.8mg, then 1.5mg.  April 19th 1mg

2016 June 8th 0.8mg   July 1st 0.6mg:  Sept 0.4mg (long hold)

2017 Jan 0.2mg

2017 May 0!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  YAY

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  • 2 weeks later...

Update time.

Mood had gone up and down a bit lately.

Had a few better days than others.

As I type though - very depressed... like I've not felt for a loooooong time.

It's funny how when you're feeling low, you remember all the times in the past you felt low, and how thats ALL you remember about yourself.

I also notice the other way too, in that when you're feeling alright, you remember all those previous times too.

Funny how it perpetuates itself.

 

I keep trying to tell myself it's just my brain and nervous system re-adjusting... but it's very hard.

Negative self talk is seeping in - like weeds.

I did have periods in my early 20's when I was depressed for a long time - years in fact... but managed to get out of it.

Being at home with a mentally disturbed mother will do that!  It wasn't until I moved overseas - met the love of my life that I changed.

 

This is feeling like that funk I was in in early 20's.

I have my beautiful daughter (10 years) who is a lovely little thing.

Lovely step-son 18, and wife.

The "safety net" I used to feel resilient - feels gone.

 

Its also made me aware of how much background anxiety I've had in the last 18 months trying to taper off these meds too.... very low level, but there all the same.

 

Our brains are strange and mysterious things.

 

I REALLY hope this is just a wave and I can wave it good bye soon.

But as these things are labelled as anti-depressants, and by stopping taking them, I guess it's only inevitable I'll get fairly depressed along the way!

 

Over the years, the topic of anti-depressants has come up in conversation with some people... spoke to a guy just last week at work, who mentioned he was put on one - he can't recall which - but started with "E"... and after 3 months - made him a zombie, and he stopped.  Just like that - he didn't remember any side effects.

I've also spoken to a lady who was on Effexor, who just stopped cold turkey - and she was fine!!!

It does seem that some of us are more prone to getting a hard time stopping these drugs.

 

HOpe everybody else is making progress on their journey!

2008 (approx) Lexapro 10mg.  2009 attempted cold turkey 5mg for 2 weeks - crash and burn.  2009 back on 10mg.

2012 - pooped out - but didn't know.   2014 - poop-out got worse.  2014 sept 20mg, 2014 oct 15mg, 2014 nov 10mg

2014 dec 7.5mg,  2014 dec 23rd crashed.  Dec 24th 10mg - trying to stabilize

2015 Jan Stabilized as much as thought I would, 2015 Jan 9mg, 2015 Late Feb, 8mg, 2015 late Mar 7mg.  22nd May 6.3mg

2015 small "slide" down to 6mg.  19th June 5mg. 15th Aug 4.5mg - slid down to 4mg.  Sept 20th 3.8mg.

2015 gradual decrease between Oct and Nov 10th to 3mg:  Dec between 3-2mg.  2016 Jan15th 2mg  Feb: 1.8mg, somewhere got to 1.6mg.

2016 Feb 25th crashed!  Not sure if sick or WD, back to 2mg.

2016 During March - gradual decrease to 1.8mg, then 1.5mg.  April 19th 1mg

2016 June 8th 0.8mg   July 1st 0.6mg:  Sept 0.4mg (long hold)

2017 Jan 0.2mg

2017 May 0!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  YAY

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Update time again.

Good news.  The wave above went away almost after I finished posting that update.

yay.

Have been feeling much better of late.

I'm at 1.5mg currently.

Getting a nice window at the moment, feeling less and less of the effect of Lexapro on me.

like cobwebs being dusted off.  I can feel the air I breathe more.

Feels like my soul is slowly returning from the zombified hell of apathy and amotivational syndrome of years of being on lexapro.

 

Still got a way to go yet, but this feels like a big positive step.

 

I was reading one of the older sticky topics on the boards here, about "what 'me' is the REAL me?"

I can relate to SO MUCH of what that thread says.  You feel really disconnected from moment to moment.

It's also interesting how so many spouses fall OUT of love with their wives or husbands saying that they are thinking more clearly than ever....

Luckily that never happened to me!!!

 

hope all goes well!!!

2008 (approx) Lexapro 10mg.  2009 attempted cold turkey 5mg for 2 weeks - crash and burn.  2009 back on 10mg.

2012 - pooped out - but didn't know.   2014 - poop-out got worse.  2014 sept 20mg, 2014 oct 15mg, 2014 nov 10mg

2014 dec 7.5mg,  2014 dec 23rd crashed.  Dec 24th 10mg - trying to stabilize

2015 Jan Stabilized as much as thought I would, 2015 Jan 9mg, 2015 Late Feb, 8mg, 2015 late Mar 7mg.  22nd May 6.3mg

2015 small "slide" down to 6mg.  19th June 5mg. 15th Aug 4.5mg - slid down to 4mg.  Sept 20th 3.8mg.

2015 gradual decrease between Oct and Nov 10th to 3mg:  Dec between 3-2mg.  2016 Jan15th 2mg  Feb: 1.8mg, somewhere got to 1.6mg.

2016 Feb 25th crashed!  Not sure if sick or WD, back to 2mg.

2016 During March - gradual decrease to 1.8mg, then 1.5mg.  April 19th 1mg

2016 June 8th 0.8mg   July 1st 0.6mg:  Sept 0.4mg (long hold)

2017 Jan 0.2mg

2017 May 0!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  YAY

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Great news! Keep going!

Drug free Sep. 23 2017

2009 Mar.: lexapro 10mg for headache for 2 weeks.

2009-2012: on and off 1/4 to 1/3 of 10mg

2012 June--2013 Jan,: 1/4-1/3 of 10mg generic, bad jaw pain

2013 Jan-Mar: 10 mg generic. severe jaw and head pain;

2013 Mar--Aug. started tapering (liquid ever since) from 10 to 5 (one step) then gradually down to 2.25 mg by July. first ever panic attack, severe head/jaw pain

2013 Aug.: back to 2.75 mg; Nov: back to Brand Lex. 2.75mg -- 3mg,

2014 June: stopped PPI, head pressure/numbness. up-dosed 4.5mg, severe reaction mental symptoms added on

2014 Aug--2015 Aug: Micro taper down to 3.2mg, .025mg (<1%) cut holding 2-3 weeks.

2015 Aug 15th, Accidental one dose of 4.2mg. worsening brain non-functional, swollen head, body, coma like, DR

2016 Feb., started dosing 10am through 11 pm everyday 2/13--3.2mg, 3/15-- 2.9mg, 4/19-- 2.6mg, 6/26--2.2mg, 7/22 --1.9mg, 8/16--1.8mg,8/31--1.7m g, 9/13--1.6mg, 9/27--1.5mg, 10/8--1.4mg, 10/14--1.3mg, 11/1--1.2mg, 11/29--1.1mg, 12/12--1mg, 12/22--0.9mg

2017: 1/7--0.8mg, 1/15--0.7mg, 1/17--0.6mg, 1/20--0.52, 1/21--0.4mg, 1/22--0.26, 1/23--0.2, 2/13--0.13mg, 2/20--0.06mg, 3/18--0.13mg, 6/1--0.12mg, 7/6--0.1mg, 7/14--0.08mg, 8/17--0.04mg, 8/20--0.03mg, 8/28--0.02mg, 9/6--0.0205mg, 9/8--0.02mg, 9/17--0.015mg, 9/20--0.01mg, 9/21--0.0048mg, 9/22--0.0001mg,

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Update time

Seem to be in a big of a huuuuge wave unfortunately.

Last 4-5 days - since last update.

Have been battling moderate to severe depression - on the verge of tears most of the time.

I'ts been a massive struggle to just get throguh basic things.

Coupled with the fact that my lovely wife FINALLY had her back procedure done, but still in lots of pain, and has been unable to do most things around the house for months.

That hasn't made me depressed - it's got a life of it's own.

It's the neuro emotion.  I know it'll pass, but geeeeeee it's hard.

Feels like I've been emotinoally kicked in the guts.

As of about 9:30am today Monday - it feels slightly better.

 

I did have a long quite bad bout of depression in my early 20's for about 2 years or so.... but nothing since - and was in a really good place until these meds robbed me of that.

Being put on Lexapro was the WORST thing to happen to me - apart from losing my beloved father 4 years ago.

 

I'm trying to focus on the here and now, and using grounding techniques to cope.

eg:  what sensations can I feel with my body right now?

What can I see and taste and touch?

It seems to help

Also observing myself feeling depressed takes away some of it's energy.

2008 (approx) Lexapro 10mg.  2009 attempted cold turkey 5mg for 2 weeks - crash and burn.  2009 back on 10mg.

2012 - pooped out - but didn't know.   2014 - poop-out got worse.  2014 sept 20mg, 2014 oct 15mg, 2014 nov 10mg

2014 dec 7.5mg,  2014 dec 23rd crashed.  Dec 24th 10mg - trying to stabilize

2015 Jan Stabilized as much as thought I would, 2015 Jan 9mg, 2015 Late Feb, 8mg, 2015 late Mar 7mg.  22nd May 6.3mg

2015 small "slide" down to 6mg.  19th June 5mg. 15th Aug 4.5mg - slid down to 4mg.  Sept 20th 3.8mg.

2015 gradual decrease between Oct and Nov 10th to 3mg:  Dec between 3-2mg.  2016 Jan15th 2mg  Feb: 1.8mg, somewhere got to 1.6mg.

2016 Feb 25th crashed!  Not sure if sick or WD, back to 2mg.

2016 During March - gradual decrease to 1.8mg, then 1.5mg.  April 19th 1mg

2016 June 8th 0.8mg   July 1st 0.6mg:  Sept 0.4mg (long hold)

2017 Jan 0.2mg

2017 May 0!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  YAY

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Update.

Well, the good news is that I seem to have weathered the worst of the nasty wave of depression... it's easing it's grip.

My Daughter has been a true delight during this time.  I told her Daddy was having some problems because of the tablets, and I'm feeling sad - for no real reason - and if I seem sad or weird, it's just that.

I told her that when I think of her, it does give me a small smile to my face... she hugged me and said she loves me.

My wife has been good too, although she's still in a lot of pain even after the procedure to lessen her back pain.

So I'm still doing most of the house work and chores, and working 5 days a week.

I've still got a way to go, but the sadness and heartbreak feeling has stopped being insurmountable.

 

I was determined NOT to let this beat me - I HAVE to get off this drug.  Keep telling myself it's just a phase, it'll pass.

 

Just a question to anybody reading, does the "numbed out" feeling of being on an SSRI actually go away??

As even when I have a window, I still feel that something is "missing" or "off" - and that the world still doesn't feel right...  sort of numbed still.

It lessens to an extent in a window.  But I miss those moments when you feel alive and really connected to your surroundings.

Does anybody understand what I mean?

2008 (approx) Lexapro 10mg.  2009 attempted cold turkey 5mg for 2 weeks - crash and burn.  2009 back on 10mg.

2012 - pooped out - but didn't know.   2014 - poop-out got worse.  2014 sept 20mg, 2014 oct 15mg, 2014 nov 10mg

2014 dec 7.5mg,  2014 dec 23rd crashed.  Dec 24th 10mg - trying to stabilize

2015 Jan Stabilized as much as thought I would, 2015 Jan 9mg, 2015 Late Feb, 8mg, 2015 late Mar 7mg.  22nd May 6.3mg

2015 small "slide" down to 6mg.  19th June 5mg. 15th Aug 4.5mg - slid down to 4mg.  Sept 20th 3.8mg.

2015 gradual decrease between Oct and Nov 10th to 3mg:  Dec between 3-2mg.  2016 Jan15th 2mg  Feb: 1.8mg, somewhere got to 1.6mg.

2016 Feb 25th crashed!  Not sure if sick or WD, back to 2mg.

2016 During March - gradual decrease to 1.8mg, then 1.5mg.  April 19th 1mg

2016 June 8th 0.8mg   July 1st 0.6mg:  Sept 0.4mg (long hold)

2017 Jan 0.2mg

2017 May 0!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  YAY

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Hi Scott,

 

Glad the depression is lifting up! I don't think I ever had true depression from this poison except for maybe just a few seconds couple times, I know it's very hard to bear.

 

As miserable as I am feeling this moment with a dead brain and various other symptoms, I believe all symptoms can and will leave. I say so because just a few days ago, I took a long road trip during a clear window and ALL my symptoms ( so many of them including the always there ones) were cleared and I felt completely symptoms free.

 

So hold the hope firm to your heart and continue the journey out of the hell.

 

BTW, your sweet daughter also put a small smile on me :)

 

Also, one thing I have been dealing and the hardest one so far, how is your brain function? My brain is dead for many hours each day and like a total retarded with thinking and speaking ability., which is very hard for the job.

Drug free Sep. 23 2017

2009 Mar.: lexapro 10mg for headache for 2 weeks.

2009-2012: on and off 1/4 to 1/3 of 10mg

2012 June--2013 Jan,: 1/4-1/3 of 10mg generic, bad jaw pain

2013 Jan-Mar: 10 mg generic. severe jaw and head pain;

2013 Mar--Aug. started tapering (liquid ever since) from 10 to 5 (one step) then gradually down to 2.25 mg by July. first ever panic attack, severe head/jaw pain

2013 Aug.: back to 2.75 mg; Nov: back to Brand Lex. 2.75mg -- 3mg,

2014 June: stopped PPI, head pressure/numbness. up-dosed 4.5mg, severe reaction mental symptoms added on

2014 Aug--2015 Aug: Micro taper down to 3.2mg, .025mg (<1%) cut holding 2-3 weeks.

2015 Aug 15th, Accidental one dose of 4.2mg. worsening brain non-functional, swollen head, body, coma like, DR

2016 Feb., started dosing 10am through 11 pm everyday 2/13--3.2mg, 3/15-- 2.9mg, 4/19-- 2.6mg, 6/26--2.2mg, 7/22 --1.9mg, 8/16--1.8mg,8/31--1.7m g, 9/13--1.6mg, 9/27--1.5mg, 10/8--1.4mg, 10/14--1.3mg, 11/1--1.2mg, 11/29--1.1mg, 12/12--1mg, 12/22--0.9mg

2017: 1/7--0.8mg, 1/15--0.7mg, 1/17--0.6mg, 1/20--0.52, 1/21--0.4mg, 1/22--0.26, 1/23--0.2, 2/13--0.13mg, 2/20--0.06mg, 3/18--0.13mg, 6/1--0.12mg, 7/6--0.1mg, 7/14--0.08mg, 8/17--0.04mg, 8/20--0.03mg, 8/28--0.02mg, 9/6--0.0205mg, 9/8--0.02mg, 9/17--0.015mg, 9/20--0.01mg, 9/21--0.0048mg, 9/22--0.0001mg,

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Thanks Lex!!!!

Means a LOT.

I've been hit with a few waves of nasty depression - and it's usually the one symptom that has caused me to panic and go bakc up in dose a bit.

When I was "experimenting" towards end of 2014 working out WHAT WAS WRONG WITH ME, when I went to 20mg, then 15mg, then 10mg, and 7.5mg..

WOW - what a bad wave of depression then..

This one has been very similar to that nasty one.

 

Thats lovely to hear that you had a nice trip without symptoms!!  I recall you did a road trip a while ago and you enjoyed that with minimal symptoms!!!  THATS REALLY GOOD!

 

As to my constant numbness etc, it's not so much a symptom, as I believe what the Lexapro was designed for in the first place!!

Is that the last thing to leave and you can feel normal?

Both you and I are still stuck in low doses... I was hoping it would leave as I got lower.

But I'm holding out hope that it leaves once I've actually stopped.

 

I haven't had TOO MANY brain dead functions lately - although this depression has been tough - mentally and emotionally... it's so consuming.

I had the brain fog for years and working in new jobs in IT was tough.

The foggyness seems to have eased off... still there a bit.

I also had trouble finding the right word often!!!  Became a point of humour at home - which was funny.

2008 (approx) Lexapro 10mg.  2009 attempted cold turkey 5mg for 2 weeks - crash and burn.  2009 back on 10mg.

2012 - pooped out - but didn't know.   2014 - poop-out got worse.  2014 sept 20mg, 2014 oct 15mg, 2014 nov 10mg

2014 dec 7.5mg,  2014 dec 23rd crashed.  Dec 24th 10mg - trying to stabilize

2015 Jan Stabilized as much as thought I would, 2015 Jan 9mg, 2015 Late Feb, 8mg, 2015 late Mar 7mg.  22nd May 6.3mg

2015 small "slide" down to 6mg.  19th June 5mg. 15th Aug 4.5mg - slid down to 4mg.  Sept 20th 3.8mg.

2015 gradual decrease between Oct and Nov 10th to 3mg:  Dec between 3-2mg.  2016 Jan15th 2mg  Feb: 1.8mg, somewhere got to 1.6mg.

2016 Feb 25th crashed!  Not sure if sick or WD, back to 2mg.

2016 During March - gradual decrease to 1.8mg, then 1.5mg.  April 19th 1mg

2016 June 8th 0.8mg   July 1st 0.6mg:  Sept 0.4mg (long hold)

2017 Jan 0.2mg

2017 May 0!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  YAY

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For me, it seems numbness flares up when I decrease. I'm now stuck in a hard place dealing with adverse reaction and WD. When I cut, I will be suffering severe needling and all kinds of pains, when this lessons, brain non functional and on fire will replace the pain then I have to make another cut to repeat the cycle. I have been decreasing a lot faster lately due to the newly developed side effects of brain problems and now at 2.7mg. I feel lexapro tend to make me a lot more legthy and sleepy and overall dread. It makes sense this drug causes depression at high dose but hard to understand why it happens at low doses like yours.

 

My symptoms change in hours and often in minutes and also over time as I travel. They are the most unpredictable things I ever experienced. So it's hard to say when and which Would come and go.

 

I feel the same about the true healing process beginning from the time when we are completely off without daily artificial intruding by these drugs.

 

It's a good indicator that you are able to work full time in the very competitive IT field! Honestly, even I appear as a full time worker, I know I can't and haven't been doing so for a long while especially the past few months. I'm super lucky and allowed to work from home most of the time and only need to manage a few highly functional teams without hard deliverables of my own.

 

I try very hard to make couple trips each year even it feels impossible for the purpose of some memory of the years. Otherwise the years during the journey would be completely blank and dead when I think back in future. Mysteriously every trip I made turned out to be surprisingly good, but always followed immediately by getting back to where I left.

I have my fingers crossed for us to have easier journey as dose gets lower.

Drug free Sep. 23 2017

2009 Mar.: lexapro 10mg for headache for 2 weeks.

2009-2012: on and off 1/4 to 1/3 of 10mg

2012 June--2013 Jan,: 1/4-1/3 of 10mg generic, bad jaw pain

2013 Jan-Mar: 10 mg generic. severe jaw and head pain;

2013 Mar--Aug. started tapering (liquid ever since) from 10 to 5 (one step) then gradually down to 2.25 mg by July. first ever panic attack, severe head/jaw pain

2013 Aug.: back to 2.75 mg; Nov: back to Brand Lex. 2.75mg -- 3mg,

2014 June: stopped PPI, head pressure/numbness. up-dosed 4.5mg, severe reaction mental symptoms added on

2014 Aug--2015 Aug: Micro taper down to 3.2mg, .025mg (<1%) cut holding 2-3 weeks.

2015 Aug 15th, Accidental one dose of 4.2mg. worsening brain non-functional, swollen head, body, coma like, DR

2016 Feb., started dosing 10am through 11 pm everyday 2/13--3.2mg, 3/15-- 2.9mg, 4/19-- 2.6mg, 6/26--2.2mg, 7/22 --1.9mg, 8/16--1.8mg,8/31--1.7m g, 9/13--1.6mg, 9/27--1.5mg, 10/8--1.4mg, 10/14--1.3mg, 11/1--1.2mg, 11/29--1.1mg, 12/12--1mg, 12/22--0.9mg

2017: 1/7--0.8mg, 1/15--0.7mg, 1/17--0.6mg, 1/20--0.52, 1/21--0.4mg, 1/22--0.26, 1/23--0.2, 2/13--0.13mg, 2/20--0.06mg, 3/18--0.13mg, 6/1--0.12mg, 7/6--0.1mg, 7/14--0.08mg, 8/17--0.04mg, 8/20--0.03mg, 8/28--0.02mg, 9/6--0.0205mg, 9/8--0.02mg, 9/17--0.015mg, 9/20--0.01mg, 9/21--0.0048mg, 9/22--0.0001mg,

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Hi Lex again!

This is helpful talking about these things.

I find I usually get a bit of a mild "HIGH" initially when I decrease, with a bit of a window... or what SEEMS like a window.

BUT the numbness is still there.

I'll have some emotions the occur internally, but they don't seem connected, and the real world seems sort of flat - which is just my lack of response.

So even when I'm feeling sort of ok, thats still there... like a "MEH" baseline.... I NEVER had that previously in my life.

I've also had tingling and prickling pains - mostly in feet and legs - less than previously too.

I've had a few severe bouts of depression sweep over me on my journey... to me it feels as if it's a necessary evil for me to have to get through.

 

If feels like I'm right on the edge of the sharp drop in blood plasma concentrations, as indicated to me by AliG.

Where the smallest change in dose brings on a big change in effect.

My next bottle of liquid I'm going to INSIST is 10mg/ml  

Each time I goto the chemist they always seem to study the computer for ages before saying "Oh, they only do 20mg/ml now..."

but it seems weird.

One time they said it costs a LOT MORE to get the 10mg/ml, like about AU$47 or something, as opposed to AU$35

I'm prepared to pay that.

Also this is the bottle I opened in beginning of Janurary this year, and now middle of April.

and not much liquid left - and again I'm having trouble.

I seem to have trouble towards the end of the bottle... is it the shelf life of the liquid????  It says discard after 3 months opening... this is now 4 months.

Also - I just don't trust the concentration in the bottle AND the very tiny amount I'm using, literally just a few drops.

Does it all get absorbed properly?

So hard to say - so many unknowns and variables.

2008 (approx) Lexapro 10mg.  2009 attempted cold turkey 5mg for 2 weeks - crash and burn.  2009 back on 10mg.

2012 - pooped out - but didn't know.   2014 - poop-out got worse.  2014 sept 20mg, 2014 oct 15mg, 2014 nov 10mg

2014 dec 7.5mg,  2014 dec 23rd crashed.  Dec 24th 10mg - trying to stabilize

2015 Jan Stabilized as much as thought I would, 2015 Jan 9mg, 2015 Late Feb, 8mg, 2015 late Mar 7mg.  22nd May 6.3mg

2015 small "slide" down to 6mg.  19th June 5mg. 15th Aug 4.5mg - slid down to 4mg.  Sept 20th 3.8mg.

2015 gradual decrease between Oct and Nov 10th to 3mg:  Dec between 3-2mg.  2016 Jan15th 2mg  Feb: 1.8mg, somewhere got to 1.6mg.

2016 Feb 25th crashed!  Not sure if sick or WD, back to 2mg.

2016 During March - gradual decrease to 1.8mg, then 1.5mg.  April 19th 1mg

2016 June 8th 0.8mg   July 1st 0.6mg:  Sept 0.4mg (long hold)

2017 Jan 0.2mg

2017 May 0!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  YAY

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Yeah, forgot to mention, the other major symptoms I have when a cut is due is the severe DR and head swelling. I think what you mean by flat feeling is somtpething similar, or feeling suppressed emotion wise.

 

My needling pain is always on my head, face, upper body more on the left side. Toughest ever since the Brian non functional appeared. Pure suffering. It seems most often happens to lex users. It actually got a lot less frequent at lower doses.

 

As for the liquid, since last time I experienced resistance to the meds when reaching the bottom, I now discard the last 1/3 of the bottle ( I get a big bottle of. 200 ml). At this low dose of yours, it's so much easier to use the 10/10 solution. I also use older supply as what I got is supposedly for daily dose of 5ml while I only take less than 3 ml. My meds has longer expiration period ( 6 months) though.

 

Have you thought about dilute the high concentration liquid to make the error smaller?

Drug free Sep. 23 2017

2009 Mar.: lexapro 10mg for headache for 2 weeks.

2009-2012: on and off 1/4 to 1/3 of 10mg

2012 June--2013 Jan,: 1/4-1/3 of 10mg generic, bad jaw pain

2013 Jan-Mar: 10 mg generic. severe jaw and head pain;

2013 Mar--Aug. started tapering (liquid ever since) from 10 to 5 (one step) then gradually down to 2.25 mg by July. first ever panic attack, severe head/jaw pain

2013 Aug.: back to 2.75 mg; Nov: back to Brand Lex. 2.75mg -- 3mg,

2014 June: stopped PPI, head pressure/numbness. up-dosed 4.5mg, severe reaction mental symptoms added on

2014 Aug--2015 Aug: Micro taper down to 3.2mg, .025mg (<1%) cut holding 2-3 weeks.

2015 Aug 15th, Accidental one dose of 4.2mg. worsening brain non-functional, swollen head, body, coma like, DR

2016 Feb., started dosing 10am through 11 pm everyday 2/13--3.2mg, 3/15-- 2.9mg, 4/19-- 2.6mg, 6/26--2.2mg, 7/22 --1.9mg, 8/16--1.8mg,8/31--1.7m g, 9/13--1.6mg, 9/27--1.5mg, 10/8--1.4mg, 10/14--1.3mg, 11/1--1.2mg, 11/29--1.1mg, 12/12--1mg, 12/22--0.9mg

2017: 1/7--0.8mg, 1/15--0.7mg, 1/17--0.6mg, 1/20--0.52, 1/21--0.4mg, 1/22--0.26, 1/23--0.2, 2/13--0.13mg, 2/20--0.06mg, 3/18--0.13mg, 6/1--0.12mg, 7/6--0.1mg, 7/14--0.08mg, 8/17--0.04mg, 8/20--0.03mg, 8/28--0.02mg, 9/6--0.0205mg, 9/8--0.02mg, 9/17--0.015mg, 9/20--0.01mg, 9/21--0.0048mg, 9/22--0.0001mg,

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Hi Lex

Sorry, I'm not aware what DR is when you say that is a sign you're due for a cut.

I've also had those sorts of questions, should I be COMPLETELY stable and free of ALL WD symptoms before a new drop in dose?

As it seems I never really am fully free of WD symptoms.

You've always said (Since I've talked to you on forums) about your needling and pain in your jaw etc.

You get less pain and needling OR less brain fog?  the less your dose?

I get less foggy head for sure the lower I've gone.

Still wnat to get rid of this numbness - that saps the enjoyment out of anything... it's the loss of anticipation etc and the nice feeling of rain on the roof that I miss th emost... :-(

 

I want to try and get 10mg/1ml

We only seem to have SUPER concentrated bottles of Lex in Australia.

https://www.chemistwarehouse.com.au/Buy/61881/Lexapro-10mg-mL-Oral-Solution-28mL

Just found this one - so I'll go there for my next repeat.

 

I did experiment with making a 1:1 of 20mg/ml and water

It tasted funny and after a few days, I felt a bit different - could be all in my mind, but I went back to magnifying glass and 20mg/ml

2008 (approx) Lexapro 10mg.  2009 attempted cold turkey 5mg for 2 weeks - crash and burn.  2009 back on 10mg.

2012 - pooped out - but didn't know.   2014 - poop-out got worse.  2014 sept 20mg, 2014 oct 15mg, 2014 nov 10mg

2014 dec 7.5mg,  2014 dec 23rd crashed.  Dec 24th 10mg - trying to stabilize

2015 Jan Stabilized as much as thought I would, 2015 Jan 9mg, 2015 Late Feb, 8mg, 2015 late Mar 7mg.  22nd May 6.3mg

2015 small "slide" down to 6mg.  19th June 5mg. 15th Aug 4.5mg - slid down to 4mg.  Sept 20th 3.8mg.

2015 gradual decrease between Oct and Nov 10th to 3mg:  Dec between 3-2mg.  2016 Jan15th 2mg  Feb: 1.8mg, somewhere got to 1.6mg.

2016 Feb 25th crashed!  Not sure if sick or WD, back to 2mg.

2016 During March - gradual decrease to 1.8mg, then 1.5mg.  April 19th 1mg

2016 June 8th 0.8mg   July 1st 0.6mg:  Sept 0.4mg (long hold)

2017 Jan 0.2mg

2017 May 0!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  YAY

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Update again

Played a game of squash last night - so quite a lot of physical exercise.

It did help.

Mood improving - not happy, just not depressed.

Still not fully engaged though - which is the general feeling being on Lexapro that I have to get rid of.

That BLAH, MEH feeling.

I just can't stand it anymore.

I'm due to get a repeat for my liquid, and will goto a different chemist for the 10mg/ml bottle

It'll be interesting to see if I notice any change when I start my new bottle.

2008 (approx) Lexapro 10mg.  2009 attempted cold turkey 5mg for 2 weeks - crash and burn.  2009 back on 10mg.

2012 - pooped out - but didn't know.   2014 - poop-out got worse.  2014 sept 20mg, 2014 oct 15mg, 2014 nov 10mg

2014 dec 7.5mg,  2014 dec 23rd crashed.  Dec 24th 10mg - trying to stabilize

2015 Jan Stabilized as much as thought I would, 2015 Jan 9mg, 2015 Late Feb, 8mg, 2015 late Mar 7mg.  22nd May 6.3mg

2015 small "slide" down to 6mg.  19th June 5mg. 15th Aug 4.5mg - slid down to 4mg.  Sept 20th 3.8mg.

2015 gradual decrease between Oct and Nov 10th to 3mg:  Dec between 3-2mg.  2016 Jan15th 2mg  Feb: 1.8mg, somewhere got to 1.6mg.

2016 Feb 25th crashed!  Not sure if sick or WD, back to 2mg.

2016 During March - gradual decrease to 1.8mg, then 1.5mg.  April 19th 1mg

2016 June 8th 0.8mg   July 1st 0.6mg:  Sept 0.4mg (long hold)

2017 Jan 0.2mg

2017 May 0!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  YAY

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Hi Again Scott,

DR- derealization

The pain is less frequent at lower doses, it seems.

I don't feel it's possible to wait for complete symptoms free. Also since my body suddenly started resisting the meds, I got severe reaction to each drop. I had to take the liquid over 12 hours to make the reaction milder. So I'm now cutting whenever I feel the reaction gets too strong. Each cut helps with the reaction then the WD symptoms returns. So I'm playing with both evil by cutting.

 

I took a look at the site you linked for the liquid. I wonder if the manufacture is the same and if that will cause any different reactions.

 

Ironically, I got my first ever real depression this morning, right after I told I never got one :) wow, it's so uncomfortable and a very profound sick to the heart feeling. It out my mind of thinking giving up all. Thank god it lasted only for a few minutes otherwise I don't know how much I can bear.

 

Can't wait to be free of this poison.

Drug free Sep. 23 2017

2009 Mar.: lexapro 10mg for headache for 2 weeks.

2009-2012: on and off 1/4 to 1/3 of 10mg

2012 June--2013 Jan,: 1/4-1/3 of 10mg generic, bad jaw pain

2013 Jan-Mar: 10 mg generic. severe jaw and head pain;

2013 Mar--Aug. started tapering (liquid ever since) from 10 to 5 (one step) then gradually down to 2.25 mg by July. first ever panic attack, severe head/jaw pain

2013 Aug.: back to 2.75 mg; Nov: back to Brand Lex. 2.75mg -- 3mg,

2014 June: stopped PPI, head pressure/numbness. up-dosed 4.5mg, severe reaction mental symptoms added on

2014 Aug--2015 Aug: Micro taper down to 3.2mg, .025mg (<1%) cut holding 2-3 weeks.

2015 Aug 15th, Accidental one dose of 4.2mg. worsening brain non-functional, swollen head, body, coma like, DR

2016 Feb., started dosing 10am through 11 pm everyday 2/13--3.2mg, 3/15-- 2.9mg, 4/19-- 2.6mg, 6/26--2.2mg, 7/22 --1.9mg, 8/16--1.8mg,8/31--1.7m g, 9/13--1.6mg, 9/27--1.5mg, 10/8--1.4mg, 10/14--1.3mg, 11/1--1.2mg, 11/29--1.1mg, 12/12--1mg, 12/22--0.9mg

2017: 1/7--0.8mg, 1/15--0.7mg, 1/17--0.6mg, 1/20--0.52, 1/21--0.4mg, 1/22--0.26, 1/23--0.2, 2/13--0.13mg, 2/20--0.06mg, 3/18--0.13mg, 6/1--0.12mg, 7/6--0.1mg, 7/14--0.08mg, 8/17--0.04mg, 8/20--0.03mg, 8/28--0.02mg, 9/6--0.0205mg, 9/8--0.02mg, 9/17--0.015mg, 9/20--0.01mg, 9/21--0.0048mg, 9/22--0.0001mg,

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I get slight waves of DR myself, nothing particularly major.

I had it really bad when I effectively cold turkey'ed YEARS ago.

 

Interesting to see you seem to experience the opposite of most people, where they cut, get WD's then stablize, then cut again.

You seem to get an easing of WD's when you cut.

I do to, to an extent where I seem to have a mild hypomanic phase.

I've done one or two drops in the past during my taper to bring that phase on, and I think sometimes the depression I get is a sign I was too fast or eager.

 

Mostly my nasty wave of depression has gone.  Having fatigue set in again though.

I find that the crippling wave of depression is the one WD I really struggle with.  I'm glad yours was only short.  Fingers crossed for you that is all you have.

 

Again, most of my emotions can be classified as the NEURO emotions... as they really don't have a baring on whats necessarily happening around me - or my reactions to things.

As everybody says on SSRI's it's all muted, but the numb baseline drives me crazy.

2008 (approx) Lexapro 10mg.  2009 attempted cold turkey 5mg for 2 weeks - crash and burn.  2009 back on 10mg.

2012 - pooped out - but didn't know.   2014 - poop-out got worse.  2014 sept 20mg, 2014 oct 15mg, 2014 nov 10mg

2014 dec 7.5mg,  2014 dec 23rd crashed.  Dec 24th 10mg - trying to stabilize

2015 Jan Stabilized as much as thought I would, 2015 Jan 9mg, 2015 Late Feb, 8mg, 2015 late Mar 7mg.  22nd May 6.3mg

2015 small "slide" down to 6mg.  19th June 5mg. 15th Aug 4.5mg - slid down to 4mg.  Sept 20th 3.8mg.

2015 gradual decrease between Oct and Nov 10th to 3mg:  Dec between 3-2mg.  2016 Jan15th 2mg  Feb: 1.8mg, somewhere got to 1.6mg.

2016 Feb 25th crashed!  Not sure if sick or WD, back to 2mg.

2016 During March - gradual decrease to 1.8mg, then 1.5mg.  April 19th 1mg

2016 June 8th 0.8mg   July 1st 0.6mg:  Sept 0.4mg (long hold)

2017 Jan 0.2mg

2017 May 0!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  YAY

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Updates.

Hi Guys

I think I've weathered the worst of the depression wave.

It was NASTY!

Towards the end, for last 2 days - it wasn't constant, but came in waves itself.

It was also really clouding my head - felt unbelieveable uninspired and bored with everything... horrible place.

Woke up and have slowly felt gradually better all day.

I've been taking some valerian forte - and it's amazing the effect it has... I feel a subtle warm calming effect, feel it mostly in my stomach, like a small bit of relaxation I didn't know I needed to feel.

It's been much needed, and also unexpected.

Since this depression is lifting - I can also feel a very subtle change, feel a bit more awake and in-tune with surroundings - or I can get my mind to focus on something a bit better.

Very hard to describe... almost as I'm finding the words to describe it, I lose the feeling - how it's like describing a dream sometimes.

I get momentary flashes of how I'll feel when I'm fully healed and back to properly living, as opposed to this soul-less existence on an SSRI.

 

Healing from this is the weirdest thing.

I believe that so many of the GP's and P-Docs that give out this stuff should take a course of the drugs themselves to see how it feels.

2008 (approx) Lexapro 10mg.  2009 attempted cold turkey 5mg for 2 weeks - crash and burn.  2009 back on 10mg.

2012 - pooped out - but didn't know.   2014 - poop-out got worse.  2014 sept 20mg, 2014 oct 15mg, 2014 nov 10mg

2014 dec 7.5mg,  2014 dec 23rd crashed.  Dec 24th 10mg - trying to stabilize

2015 Jan Stabilized as much as thought I would, 2015 Jan 9mg, 2015 Late Feb, 8mg, 2015 late Mar 7mg.  22nd May 6.3mg

2015 small "slide" down to 6mg.  19th June 5mg. 15th Aug 4.5mg - slid down to 4mg.  Sept 20th 3.8mg.

2015 gradual decrease between Oct and Nov 10th to 3mg:  Dec between 3-2mg.  2016 Jan15th 2mg  Feb: 1.8mg, somewhere got to 1.6mg.

2016 Feb 25th crashed!  Not sure if sick or WD, back to 2mg.

2016 During March - gradual decrease to 1.8mg, then 1.5mg.  April 19th 1mg

2016 June 8th 0.8mg   July 1st 0.6mg:  Sept 0.4mg (long hold)

2017 Jan 0.2mg

2017 May 0!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  YAY

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Small update.

As the day has continued, I've felt better still.

Not "manic" or even hypomanic... just better.

Clearer... it's in these clear spells you realize HOW FOGGY and NUMB you really have been.

Still doesn't feel completely like my old self, but closer, much closer.

 

Which brings me back to a question thats bubbling away with my bottles of lexapro going past expiry.

Does it really affect it?

If so, have I effectively CT'd without realizing it?  Have I got through it?

Dunno!

2008 (approx) Lexapro 10mg.  2009 attempted cold turkey 5mg for 2 weeks - crash and burn.  2009 back on 10mg.

2012 - pooped out - but didn't know.   2014 - poop-out got worse.  2014 sept 20mg, 2014 oct 15mg, 2014 nov 10mg

2014 dec 7.5mg,  2014 dec 23rd crashed.  Dec 24th 10mg - trying to stabilize

2015 Jan Stabilized as much as thought I would, 2015 Jan 9mg, 2015 Late Feb, 8mg, 2015 late Mar 7mg.  22nd May 6.3mg

2015 small "slide" down to 6mg.  19th June 5mg. 15th Aug 4.5mg - slid down to 4mg.  Sept 20th 3.8mg.

2015 gradual decrease between Oct and Nov 10th to 3mg:  Dec between 3-2mg.  2016 Jan15th 2mg  Feb: 1.8mg, somewhere got to 1.6mg.

2016 Feb 25th crashed!  Not sure if sick or WD, back to 2mg.

2016 During March - gradual decrease to 1.8mg, then 1.5mg.  April 19th 1mg

2016 June 8th 0.8mg   July 1st 0.6mg:  Sept 0.4mg (long hold)

2017 Jan 0.2mg

2017 May 0!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  YAY

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Update

Yesterday, saturday wsnt a good day, very flat and quite low. Low energy too.

Today sunday, had a good sleep last night. Feeling much better today, not "happier" just better. More senory input coming in. Sun shining, doing house work. Music on. Feels a lot like me of 8 years ago pre med.

I got my repeat from yet another gp. Went to chemist, 2 day wait for delivery.

Finally getti g the 10mg bottle again.

See how i go with that.

Hope everybody is having a pleasant weekend!

2008 (approx) Lexapro 10mg.  2009 attempted cold turkey 5mg for 2 weeks - crash and burn.  2009 back on 10mg.

2012 - pooped out - but didn't know.   2014 - poop-out got worse.  2014 sept 20mg, 2014 oct 15mg, 2014 nov 10mg

2014 dec 7.5mg,  2014 dec 23rd crashed.  Dec 24th 10mg - trying to stabilize

2015 Jan Stabilized as much as thought I would, 2015 Jan 9mg, 2015 Late Feb, 8mg, 2015 late Mar 7mg.  22nd May 6.3mg

2015 small "slide" down to 6mg.  19th June 5mg. 15th Aug 4.5mg - slid down to 4mg.  Sept 20th 3.8mg.

2015 gradual decrease between Oct and Nov 10th to 3mg:  Dec between 3-2mg.  2016 Jan15th 2mg  Feb: 1.8mg, somewhere got to 1.6mg.

2016 Feb 25th crashed!  Not sure if sick or WD, back to 2mg.

2016 During March - gradual decrease to 1.8mg, then 1.5mg.  April 19th 1mg

2016 June 8th 0.8mg   July 1st 0.6mg:  Sept 0.4mg (long hold)

2017 Jan 0.2mg

2017 May 0!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  YAY

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Such a great update!

Good luck with the new scrip.

 

Are you now at 1.5?

Drug free Sep. 23 2017

2009 Mar.: lexapro 10mg for headache for 2 weeks.

2009-2012: on and off 1/4 to 1/3 of 10mg

2012 June--2013 Jan,: 1/4-1/3 of 10mg generic, bad jaw pain

2013 Jan-Mar: 10 mg generic. severe jaw and head pain;

2013 Mar--Aug. started tapering (liquid ever since) from 10 to 5 (one step) then gradually down to 2.25 mg by July. first ever panic attack, severe head/jaw pain

2013 Aug.: back to 2.75 mg; Nov: back to Brand Lex. 2.75mg -- 3mg,

2014 June: stopped PPI, head pressure/numbness. up-dosed 4.5mg, severe reaction mental symptoms added on

2014 Aug--2015 Aug: Micro taper down to 3.2mg, .025mg (<1%) cut holding 2-3 weeks.

2015 Aug 15th, Accidental one dose of 4.2mg. worsening brain non-functional, swollen head, body, coma like, DR

2016 Feb., started dosing 10am through 11 pm everyday 2/13--3.2mg, 3/15-- 2.9mg, 4/19-- 2.6mg, 6/26--2.2mg, 7/22 --1.9mg, 8/16--1.8mg,8/31--1.7m g, 9/13--1.6mg, 9/27--1.5mg, 10/8--1.4mg, 10/14--1.3mg, 11/1--1.2mg, 11/29--1.1mg, 12/12--1mg, 12/22--0.9mg

2017: 1/7--0.8mg, 1/15--0.7mg, 1/17--0.6mg, 1/20--0.52, 1/21--0.4mg, 1/22--0.26, 1/23--0.2, 2/13--0.13mg, 2/20--0.06mg, 3/18--0.13mg, 6/1--0.12mg, 7/6--0.1mg, 7/14--0.08mg, 8/17--0.04mg, 8/20--0.03mg, 8/28--0.02mg, 9/6--0.0205mg, 9/8--0.02mg, 9/17--0.015mg, 9/20--0.01mg, 9/21--0.0048mg, 9/22--0.0001mg,

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More updates.

My lovely window is continuing.

If I can stay like this - I'll be happy.

Just feel more connected and deeper... like my breathing is healing.

The world seems more three dimensional.

Just basically feel a LOT like me - and how I should feel, more complete.

 

As part of an experiment to test my theory on the liquid being "stale" etc, I skipped Sunday and took only 1mg for Monday and Today.  This is still the old bottle.

So far, nothing.

I do have incredibly hot feet, which I've not had before - not sure if WD or not, but no other symptoms.

No needling, no pains, no foggy head, less tired.

 

The chemist hasn't rung me to say my new bottle is in yet.

 

Big Smiles to all reading this!!

2008 (approx) Lexapro 10mg.  2009 attempted cold turkey 5mg for 2 weeks - crash and burn.  2009 back on 10mg.

2012 - pooped out - but didn't know.   2014 - poop-out got worse.  2014 sept 20mg, 2014 oct 15mg, 2014 nov 10mg

2014 dec 7.5mg,  2014 dec 23rd crashed.  Dec 24th 10mg - trying to stabilize

2015 Jan Stabilized as much as thought I would, 2015 Jan 9mg, 2015 Late Feb, 8mg, 2015 late Mar 7mg.  22nd May 6.3mg

2015 small "slide" down to 6mg.  19th June 5mg. 15th Aug 4.5mg - slid down to 4mg.  Sept 20th 3.8mg.

2015 gradual decrease between Oct and Nov 10th to 3mg:  Dec between 3-2mg.  2016 Jan15th 2mg  Feb: 1.8mg, somewhere got to 1.6mg.

2016 Feb 25th crashed!  Not sure if sick or WD, back to 2mg.

2016 During March - gradual decrease to 1.8mg, then 1.5mg.  April 19th 1mg

2016 June 8th 0.8mg   July 1st 0.6mg:  Sept 0.4mg (long hold)

2017 Jan 0.2mg

2017 May 0!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  YAY

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Love the big smile and the positive energy!

 

Do you mean you skipped dose on Sunday and took less on Monday and Tuesday?

 

How is your recent dose/tapering schedule? I'm a bit lost about what you did since the 2mg as shown in your signature.

Drug free Sep. 23 2017

2009 Mar.: lexapro 10mg for headache for 2 weeks.

2009-2012: on and off 1/4 to 1/3 of 10mg

2012 June--2013 Jan,: 1/4-1/3 of 10mg generic, bad jaw pain

2013 Jan-Mar: 10 mg generic. severe jaw and head pain;

2013 Mar--Aug. started tapering (liquid ever since) from 10 to 5 (one step) then gradually down to 2.25 mg by July. first ever panic attack, severe head/jaw pain

2013 Aug.: back to 2.75 mg; Nov: back to Brand Lex. 2.75mg -- 3mg,

2014 June: stopped PPI, head pressure/numbness. up-dosed 4.5mg, severe reaction mental symptoms added on

2014 Aug--2015 Aug: Micro taper down to 3.2mg, .025mg (<1%) cut holding 2-3 weeks.

2015 Aug 15th, Accidental one dose of 4.2mg. worsening brain non-functional, swollen head, body, coma like, DR

2016 Feb., started dosing 10am through 11 pm everyday 2/13--3.2mg, 3/15-- 2.9mg, 4/19-- 2.6mg, 6/26--2.2mg, 7/22 --1.9mg, 8/16--1.8mg,8/31--1.7m g, 9/13--1.6mg, 9/27--1.5mg, 10/8--1.4mg, 10/14--1.3mg, 11/1--1.2mg, 11/29--1.1mg, 12/12--1mg, 12/22--0.9mg

2017: 1/7--0.8mg, 1/15--0.7mg, 1/17--0.6mg, 1/20--0.52, 1/21--0.4mg, 1/22--0.26, 1/23--0.2, 2/13--0.13mg, 2/20--0.06mg, 3/18--0.13mg, 6/1--0.12mg, 7/6--0.1mg, 7/14--0.08mg, 8/17--0.04mg, 8/20--0.03mg, 8/28--0.02mg, 9/6--0.0205mg, 9/8--0.02mg, 9/17--0.015mg, 9/20--0.01mg, 9/21--0.0048mg, 9/22--0.0001mg,

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Hi Lex.

 

I've been slack with my signature.

I'm sort of experimenting with 1mg at the moment, of the end of the bottle I've had since January.

So far ok - but it's only been 3 days.

And you did read what I typed correctly.

Sunday - nothing, Monday and Tuesday 1mg.

I was at 1.5mg for about a good month - during my really bad wave.

 

This experiment could back-fire!

AND I could be in a hypomanic phase.  I don't THINK I am.

2008 (approx) Lexapro 10mg.  2009 attempted cold turkey 5mg for 2 weeks - crash and burn.  2009 back on 10mg.

2012 - pooped out - but didn't know.   2014 - poop-out got worse.  2014 sept 20mg, 2014 oct 15mg, 2014 nov 10mg

2014 dec 7.5mg,  2014 dec 23rd crashed.  Dec 24th 10mg - trying to stabilize

2015 Jan Stabilized as much as thought I would, 2015 Jan 9mg, 2015 Late Feb, 8mg, 2015 late Mar 7mg.  22nd May 6.3mg

2015 small "slide" down to 6mg.  19th June 5mg. 15th Aug 4.5mg - slid down to 4mg.  Sept 20th 3.8mg.

2015 gradual decrease between Oct and Nov 10th to 3mg:  Dec between 3-2mg.  2016 Jan15th 2mg  Feb: 1.8mg, somewhere got to 1.6mg.

2016 Feb 25th crashed!  Not sure if sick or WD, back to 2mg.

2016 During March - gradual decrease to 1.8mg, then 1.5mg.  April 19th 1mg

2016 June 8th 0.8mg   July 1st 0.6mg:  Sept 0.4mg (long hold)

2017 Jan 0.2mg

2017 May 0!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  YAY

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Thanks for the update!

 

It's great you are doing fine with the rather big drop!

Were you running out of meds and why you did so in the past 3 days? I am trying to understand your rational, as its not the typical recommended strategy.

Drug free Sep. 23 2017

2009 Mar.: lexapro 10mg for headache for 2 weeks.

2009-2012: on and off 1/4 to 1/3 of 10mg

2012 June--2013 Jan,: 1/4-1/3 of 10mg generic, bad jaw pain

2013 Jan-Mar: 10 mg generic. severe jaw and head pain;

2013 Mar--Aug. started tapering (liquid ever since) from 10 to 5 (one step) then gradually down to 2.25 mg by July. first ever panic attack, severe head/jaw pain

2013 Aug.: back to 2.75 mg; Nov: back to Brand Lex. 2.75mg -- 3mg,

2014 June: stopped PPI, head pressure/numbness. up-dosed 4.5mg, severe reaction mental symptoms added on

2014 Aug--2015 Aug: Micro taper down to 3.2mg, .025mg (<1%) cut holding 2-3 weeks.

2015 Aug 15th, Accidental one dose of 4.2mg. worsening brain non-functional, swollen head, body, coma like, DR

2016 Feb., started dosing 10am through 11 pm everyday 2/13--3.2mg, 3/15-- 2.9mg, 4/19-- 2.6mg, 6/26--2.2mg, 7/22 --1.9mg, 8/16--1.8mg,8/31--1.7m g, 9/13--1.6mg, 9/27--1.5mg, 10/8--1.4mg, 10/14--1.3mg, 11/1--1.2mg, 11/29--1.1mg, 12/12--1mg, 12/22--0.9mg

2017: 1/7--0.8mg, 1/15--0.7mg, 1/17--0.6mg, 1/20--0.52, 1/21--0.4mg, 1/22--0.26, 1/23--0.2, 2/13--0.13mg, 2/20--0.06mg, 3/18--0.13mg, 6/1--0.12mg, 7/6--0.1mg, 7/14--0.08mg, 8/17--0.04mg, 8/20--0.03mg, 8/28--0.02mg, 9/6--0.0205mg, 9/8--0.02mg, 9/17--0.015mg, 9/20--0.01mg, 9/21--0.0048mg, 9/22--0.0001mg,

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