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After btdt's investigative post, I checked Gravol:

 

Dimenhydrinate is a combination of two drugs: diphenhydramine and 8-chlorotheophylline.

 

8-Chlorotheophylline, a chlorinated derivative of theophylline, was added in order to counteract drowsiness. Theophylline is very closely related to caffeine and theobromine, mild central nervous system stimulants.

 

Just proves have very careful we all need to be.

wow I did not know that thanks CC 

bit about it here side effects ect. mostly in kids 

http://www.cfp.ca/content/57/4/431.full

 

I used less than these kids and people would laugh at me even with the caffeine in the pill half a kids dose would knock me out... that is 7mg.. adult dose is 50mg. 

 

You can always take more but you can't untake anything... 

 

from the link something else to keep in mind if your on other drugs... I wasn't 

 

Another consideration before recommending dimenhydrinate is its potential interaction with other products metabolized through the cytochrome P450 pathway. Caffeine is metabolized by the cytochrome P450 1A2 enzyme, and therefore it is possible that 8-chlorotheophylline might inhibit or potentiate the response of common medications such as diltiazem, verapamil, olanzapine, oral contraceptives, and omeprazole.6

 

Ginger or baking soda and water tums... would be the first choice..of course. Did them all and apple cider vinegar teaspoon to glass of water.. sometimes helped me. 

wishing you well

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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Hi dadto4...I just wanted to pop in and tell you that it wont feel this intensely crazy forever. you CAN feel ok again, whatever is going on in there, isnt causing anything permanent. Ive been there,

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Not sure if my other reply went through or not...having phone issues. Just wanted to say it DOES get better. Wont always be this way. I have been where you are, guts clenched, adrenaline surging over

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So today my anxiety and panic are back in full swing! I feel like it's withdrawal day 1 again. Stay at .25mg or updose back to .5mg?

Lexapro 10mg 2014, tapered,January 2015 started Brintollex, very quickly went into panic attacks and horrible side effects. After 2 weeks on and continuing to get much much worse, stopped taking the brintollex. 2015 was filled with trial and error-xanax switched to ativancelexa started; ativan switched back to xanax; neurontin started; xanax switched to Klonopin; celexa increased several times to 60 mg over only a few months; neurontin increased several times then quickly stopped; latuda started and stopped; celexa tapering began 8/15 60mg-40 mg; celexa 9/15 40mg-30mg ; celexa 10/15 30-20mg, increased back to 30mg; celexa 11/15 30-20mg; mid november 20-15mg; 12/15 15-10; mid dec 10-5; 12/31/15 stopped taking.<p>Reinstated accidentally at 5mg on 2/8; dropped to 1mg on 2/11, stopped 3/2016.

 

Klonopin 4.5mg taper started 7/13/16. Currently at .875 mg (1/2017).

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Changing your dose every week or 2 is NOT going to provide symptomatic relief, it's just going to confuse your system and make things worse for a longer period.  

 

From reading your history I suspect you're someone who also has delayed reactions which makes it hard to correlate med changes with symptoms.

 

I think your issue has a lot to do with your type of employment being very stressful and that, if anything, is what will prolong your recovery.

 

This is a long term recovery process. Unfortunately we are all going to have some symptoms that we will just have to suffer through.

 

I want you to know how proud I am of you.  :)

 Starting ds 2 (12.5 CR'S) = 25 MG PAXIL CR 1/21/15: 1 Pill + 10mg liquid (2 weeks) 2/4: 1 Pill + 9mg Lq (3 weeks) 2/25: 1 Pill + 8 mg lq (1 week) 3/4: 1 Pill + 6 mg lq (2 weeks) 3/18/15 1 Pill + 4 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/1/15 1 Pill + 3 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/14/15 1 Pill + 2 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/29/15 1Pill + 1 mg lq (16 days) 5/15/15 1 12.5 mg Pill ONLY (9 days) 5/24/15 12 mgs liquid (8 days) 6/1/15 11mg lq (12 days) 6/13/15 10 mg.  12/3/15 Drop from 8mg to 7.6 (24 days to) 12/27/15 7.2mgs 8/4/16 6.8mgs,  11/1/16 6.4mgs, 2/5/17 6 mgs  4/3/17 5.6mgs, 4/24/17 5.2mg, 6/13/17 4.8mgs, 9/20/17 4.4mgS, 11/23/17 4 mgs, 1/1/18 3.6 mgs, 2/15/18 3.2 mgs. 4/13/18 2.8mgs, 5/11/18 2.4mgs, 6/10/18 2.0 mgs, 8/4/18 1.6mgs,  9/27/18 1.2mgs, 12/24/18 0.8mg, 3/24/19 0.64 mg,(syringe change issue date?) 4/22/19 0.60 mg, 5/24/19 0.60 mg, 7/7/19 0.52 mgs, 8/4/19 0.44mgs, 11/4/19 0.36mgs, 2/1/20 0.28mgs, 3/1/20 0.24mgs (crash April 6) Compound started 6/28/21: 0.24mgs, 8/29/21: 0.22mgs, 10/31/21: 0.20mgs, 1/03/22: 0.18mgs, 3/5/22: 0.16mgs, 5/5/22: 0.14mgs.

 

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dadto4, what is your daily symptom pattern? Are you keeping notes on paper? This is very important.

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So the gravol could make my symptoms worse??? ????????????

10 years citalopram 30mg- tapered down in December 15/2015- Jan 15/2016 to 20mg for two weeks, ten for one week and five for another week, then stopped, less then two weeks later, sheer hell broke lose with debilitating withdrawal symptoms.

 

Update-- reinstated 5mg of celexa on feb 5-- within hours noticed immediate difference in WD symptoms-- Holding holding and more holding.

 

Updose- March 23/16 too 10mg- relieved the harsher head symptoms- current symptoms headaches, dizzy, numbness and tingling in my head.

 

Benzos- 2015-Ativan on and off for 6 months 2mg- switched to clonazepam nov 2015- 2mg till Jan 2016 Zopiclone 7.5mg nov-dec 2015- was tapered off over 4weeks- Currently in protracted withdrawal. ????????????????????????????????

 

Update- ended up in the hospital April 18/16 major suicidal ( never had that before) was admitted/ been there ever since, put me back to full dose celexa 30mg no drugs added, IAM FINALLY STABLE AFTER 3 months of tortuous hell. Got a great physiatrist that new all about WD, he will help me taper properly in a couple of months at 5% deductions holding 8 weeks. I never want to relive that hell again.

 

Udate- stable and holding, doing things slowly is key.

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Yes I do alto.

 

I decreased to .25mg on Saturday 3/19. No noticeable change with nausea that day. No extreme anxieties but terrible nausea.

 

3/20: nausea was better. No anxiety. Started nutritional plan.

3/21: minimal nausea, worked out and went for a walk. Ate great. Felt great.

3/22: minimal nausea, worked out and went for a job. Ate great. Down 4 lbs! Felt great today.

3/23: nausea returned some but managed with Bonine. Went for a run.

3/24: nausea bad again and dark thoughts. Anxiety returning.

3/25: nausea at its worst. Nothing helping. Anxiety is very high, panicking. Trying to calm but nothing helping. Tried Bonine, raw ginger. Anxiety like initial withdrawal. Called in sick. Updosed to .35mg.

3/26: nausea this morning but no anxiety or panic.

Lexapro 10mg 2014, tapered,January 2015 started Brintollex, very quickly went into panic attacks and horrible side effects. After 2 weeks on and continuing to get much much worse, stopped taking the brintollex. 2015 was filled with trial and error-xanax switched to ativancelexa started; ativan switched back to xanax; neurontin started; xanax switched to Klonopin; celexa increased several times to 60 mg over only a few months; neurontin increased several times then quickly stopped; latuda started and stopped; celexa tapering began 8/15 60mg-40 mg; celexa 9/15 40mg-30mg ; celexa 10/15 30-20mg, increased back to 30mg; celexa 11/15 30-20mg; mid november 20-15mg; 12/15 15-10; mid dec 10-5; 12/31/15 stopped taking.<p>Reinstated accidentally at 5mg on 2/8; dropped to 1mg on 2/11, stopped 3/2016.

 

Klonopin 4.5mg taper started 7/13/16. Currently at .875 mg (1/2017).

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Dt4b - I can relate to how horrible these symptoms are for you. I to am in the public safety field and oddly enough came across your story today right after I called in sick because there is no way I am fit for duty today. I do believe, and have been told here that adjusting your dosage all the time makes your brain constantly have to adjust and makes things harder. I don't have any great answers but wanted to stop by and offer you encouragement and strength!

40 years old and have been on 20 mg of Paxil for the last 19 years. Multiple unsuccessful attempts to quit over the years.01/2015 Was tapering using liquid Paxil. MD has prescribed 1 ml = 2mg taper every two weeks or once withdrawal symptoms at that dose subside. Reduced from 20 to 10 mg using this method and at 10 mg severe withdrawal set in. 1.5 months of pure hell. Found SA, learned what was happening, and reinstated to 20 mg. After a month of severe symptoms recovered with the reinstatement. Fish oil - Multi Vitamin - Pro-biotic, amino-acid/B Vitamin supplement every day. Magnesium as needed.08/09/15 - 18 mg - 09/08/15 - 16.4 mg - 10/10/15 - 15 mg - 01/02/16 - 13.6 mg 02/15/16 - 12.0 mg - Bad symptom flare up 40 days into drop - Dizziness, panic/anxiety, overheating (esp at night), low appetite, headache, insomnia with bizarre dreams, internal shaking. 04/16/16 - 11mg - 7/17/16 - 10 mg holding.....

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Please stop going up and down in your dosing.

 

It definitely looks like even .25mg Celexa is causing the nausea. When you reduced the dosage, it was less for a few days but ramped up when your system adjusted to the reduced dosage. Generally, it takes about 4 days for a dosage change to take full effect.

 

Given that it's likely the Celexa is causing the nausea, you might go off it. It's likely the nausea will ease but the anxiety might be because of withdrawal. You will have to deal with withdrawal symptoms. This will require patience and determination.

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Let me just clarify:

 

2/5 initial updose to 5mg (thought it was 2.5mg)

2/8 decreases to 1mg

3/10 decreased to .5mg bc of nausea

3/19 decreased to .25mg bc of nausea

3/20-3/23: WINDOW - minimal nausea and no withdrawal symptoms

3/24: Mack truck of symptoms returned

3/25: panic and anxiety at a level I hadn't had in 2 months... Updose to .35mg because I'm positive it was withdrawal symptoms rearing their ugly head

3/26: nausea, anxiety - no panic but still in a fairly dark place.

 

How long should I expect to have the withdrawal symptoms? I'm

Hoping I caught the withdrawal early enough and updosed soon enough to avoid lengthy w/s. At this point I'm just ready to live with the nausea bc I know decreasing right now isn't an option. Hopefully I'll have a window and the nausea will go away. Planning to stay at .35mg for the long haul as long as the withdrawal goes away bc I know stability is the only thing that'll heal my nervous system.

Lexapro 10mg 2014, tapered,January 2015 started Brintollex, very quickly went into panic attacks and horrible side effects. After 2 weeks on and continuing to get much much worse, stopped taking the brintollex. 2015 was filled with trial and error-xanax switched to ativancelexa started; ativan switched back to xanax; neurontin started; xanax switched to Klonopin; celexa increased several times to 60 mg over only a few months; neurontin increased several times then quickly stopped; latuda started and stopped; celexa tapering began 8/15 60mg-40 mg; celexa 9/15 40mg-30mg ; celexa 10/15 30-20mg, increased back to 30mg; celexa 11/15 30-20mg; mid november 20-15mg; 12/15 15-10; mid dec 10-5; 12/31/15 stopped taking.<p>Reinstated accidentally at 5mg on 2/8; dropped to 1mg on 2/11, stopped 3/2016.

 

Klonopin 4.5mg taper started 7/13/16. Currently at .875 mg (1/2017).

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I was typing that out alto as you were posting.

 

 

Idk what's worse the nausea or major anxiety. ????

Lexapro 10mg 2014, tapered,January 2015 started Brintollex, very quickly went into panic attacks and horrible side effects. After 2 weeks on and continuing to get much much worse, stopped taking the brintollex. 2015 was filled with trial and error-xanax switched to ativancelexa started; ativan switched back to xanax; neurontin started; xanax switched to Klonopin; celexa increased several times to 60 mg over only a few months; neurontin increased several times then quickly stopped; latuda started and stopped; celexa tapering began 8/15 60mg-40 mg; celexa 9/15 40mg-30mg ; celexa 10/15 30-20mg, increased back to 30mg; celexa 11/15 30-20mg; mid november 20-15mg; 12/15 15-10; mid dec 10-5; 12/31/15 stopped taking.<p>Reinstated accidentally at 5mg on 2/8; dropped to 1mg on 2/11, stopped 3/2016.

 

Klonopin 4.5mg taper started 7/13/16. Currently at .875 mg (1/2017).

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Ok so I stop taking the celexa tonight. Tomorrow I'll be good, Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday I'll feel good then Thursday I'll be hit with major withdrawal again.

 

How do I deal with the major anxiety, panic attacks etc that are bound to happen? I know I'm only stopping it from .25mg as opposed to 5mg but I just experienced the withdrawal yesterday by decreasing the dosage. I can't keep taking time off from work- I'll end up losing my job, my pension, and I'm the only income provider for our family.

Lexapro 10mg 2014, tapered,January 2015 started Brintollex, very quickly went into panic attacks and horrible side effects. After 2 weeks on and continuing to get much much worse, stopped taking the brintollex. 2015 was filled with trial and error-xanax switched to ativancelexa started; ativan switched back to xanax; neurontin started; xanax switched to Klonopin; celexa increased several times to 60 mg over only a few months; neurontin increased several times then quickly stopped; latuda started and stopped; celexa tapering began 8/15 60mg-40 mg; celexa 9/15 40mg-30mg ; celexa 10/15 30-20mg, increased back to 30mg; celexa 11/15 30-20mg; mid november 20-15mg; 12/15 15-10; mid dec 10-5; 12/31/15 stopped taking.<p>Reinstated accidentally at 5mg on 2/8; dropped to 1mg on 2/11, stopped 3/2016.

 

Klonopin 4.5mg taper started 7/13/16. Currently at .875 mg (1/2017).

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How about reducing by .10mg every 4 days?

 

How has your skill at meditative breathing been coming along? This is going to be essential.

 

Did we talk about fish oil and magnesium supplements, see
http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/36-king-of-supplements-omega-3-fatty-acids-fish-oil/
http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1300-magnesium-natures-calcium-channel-blocker/
 

You might put some magnesium citrate with water in a water bottle and sip it throughout the day.

 

Do NOT work if you feel your thinking or emotions are unstable.

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You may want to think about going out on "temporarily" disability for a few months.  I know it's not optimal, but your type of employment is bound to make it worse.

 

 Alto is right. DO NOT WORK if you feel unstable.  One wrong move and your life can go from bad to worse in a heartbeat.   At least now if you take time off you can eventually go back to your job.  If something happens not only will you lose your job but you could end up with legal trouble. 

 

You wrote:  "..but I just experienced the withdrawal yesterday by decreasing the dosage..."

 

You have to realize that these symptoms are going to come and go, you cannot tie them so close to you dosage changes.  They could have nothing to do with your lowering the dosage.  Again, your type of employment is going to affect your symptoms.  You can't blame the med changes each time a symptom returns.  And as long as you keep making dose changes no one is going to be able to say what is what.

 

Can you PLEASE  put you med changes in your signature line?  

 

 

you wrote:  Ok so I stop taking the celexa tonight. Tomorrow I'll be good, Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday I'll feel good then Thursday I'll be hit with major withdrawal again..."

 

You can't psyche yourself out like that.  If you expect the worst you will make yourself sick.  Secondly, you have been in withdrawal all along.  Nausea is a  major WD Symptom as well.I know you're worried about work, but this type of recovery is the long haul. 

You can't expect yourself to be better and fully functioning within weeks.  All you will do is PROLONG how long it takes to recover.

 

Maybe talk with your union rep about temporary disability, just so you know what your options are. 

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Ok I will give that a go!! Fingers crossed!!????????

Lexapro 10mg 2014, tapered,January 2015 started Brintollex, very quickly went into panic attacks and horrible side effects. After 2 weeks on and continuing to get much much worse, stopped taking the brintollex. 2015 was filled with trial and error-xanax switched to ativancelexa started; ativan switched back to xanax; neurontin started; xanax switched to Klonopin; celexa increased several times to 60 mg over only a few months; neurontin increased several times then quickly stopped; latuda started and stopped; celexa tapering began 8/15 60mg-40 mg; celexa 9/15 40mg-30mg ; celexa 10/15 30-20mg, increased back to 30mg; celexa 11/15 30-20mg; mid november 20-15mg; 12/15 15-10; mid dec 10-5; 12/31/15 stopped taking.<p>Reinstated accidentally at 5mg on 2/8; dropped to 1mg on 2/11, stopped 3/2016.

 

Klonopin 4.5mg taper started 7/13/16. Currently at .875 mg (1/2017).

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Yes colonial I'll do that tonight.

 

Thank you all so much for your help.

Lexapro 10mg 2014, tapered,January 2015 started Brintollex, very quickly went into panic attacks and horrible side effects. After 2 weeks on and continuing to get much much worse, stopped taking the brintollex. 2015 was filled with trial and error-xanax switched to ativancelexa started; ativan switched back to xanax; neurontin started; xanax switched to Klonopin; celexa increased several times to 60 mg over only a few months; neurontin increased several times then quickly stopped; latuda started and stopped; celexa tapering began 8/15 60mg-40 mg; celexa 9/15 40mg-30mg ; celexa 10/15 30-20mg, increased back to 30mg; celexa 11/15 30-20mg; mid november 20-15mg; 12/15 15-10; mid dec 10-5; 12/31/15 stopped taking.<p>Reinstated accidentally at 5mg on 2/8; dropped to 1mg on 2/11, stopped 3/2016.

 

Klonopin 4.5mg taper started 7/13/16. Currently at .875 mg (1/2017).

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Praying for you buddy!   :)

 Starting ds 2 (12.5 CR'S) = 25 MG PAXIL CR 1/21/15: 1 Pill + 10mg liquid (2 weeks) 2/4: 1 Pill + 9mg Lq (3 weeks) 2/25: 1 Pill + 8 mg lq (1 week) 3/4: 1 Pill + 6 mg lq (2 weeks) 3/18/15 1 Pill + 4 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/1/15 1 Pill + 3 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/14/15 1 Pill + 2 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/29/15 1Pill + 1 mg lq (16 days) 5/15/15 1 12.5 mg Pill ONLY (9 days) 5/24/15 12 mgs liquid (8 days) 6/1/15 11mg lq (12 days) 6/13/15 10 mg.  12/3/15 Drop from 8mg to 7.6 (24 days to) 12/27/15 7.2mgs 8/4/16 6.8mgs,  11/1/16 6.4mgs, 2/5/17 6 mgs  4/3/17 5.6mgs, 4/24/17 5.2mg, 6/13/17 4.8mgs, 9/20/17 4.4mgS, 11/23/17 4 mgs, 1/1/18 3.6 mgs, 2/15/18 3.2 mgs. 4/13/18 2.8mgs, 5/11/18 2.4mgs, 6/10/18 2.0 mgs, 8/4/18 1.6mgs,  9/27/18 1.2mgs, 12/24/18 0.8mg, 3/24/19 0.64 mg,(syringe change issue date?) 4/22/19 0.60 mg, 5/24/19 0.60 mg, 7/7/19 0.52 mgs, 8/4/19 0.44mgs, 11/4/19 0.36mgs, 2/1/20 0.28mgs, 3/1/20 0.24mgs (crash April 6) Compound started 6/28/21: 0.24mgs, 8/29/21: 0.22mgs, 10/31/21: 0.20mgs, 1/03/22: 0.18mgs, 3/5/22: 0.16mgs, 5/5/22: 0.14mgs.

 

Original Wellbutrin Dose: 6 months from 9/14 to 3/2015, 300 XL 3/15/15: Half to 150 XL ( severe symptoms started on day 12) 4/16/15: 125mg   for 20 days to: 5/6/15:   100mg  for  15 days to: 5/21/15    75mg  for  10 days to: 6/1/15:  56.25mg      13 days to: 6/13/15: 37.25mg    7 days to: 6/20/15  28.12mg   14 days to: 7/4/15  18.75mg, 7 days to: 7/11/15; RAISE BACK TO: 28.12 to 8/14/15: 18.75mg  20 days to :9/3/15 : 12.5mg, 8/4/16 9mg 1/9/17: 8.5mg 2/8/17 8mg, 3/9/17: 7.6  4/9/17  7.2  5/27/17 6.4 6/24/17 5.8, 8/1/17 5.0, 8/29/17 4.2mgs, 10/2/17 3.5mgs, 12/28/17 2.5mgs, 2/27/18 1.7mgs,  4/19/18 0.8 mgs, LAST DOSE: 6/11/18:  3 YEARS, 2 MONTHS, 27 DAYS...

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There are some people who wait 6 wks or more between drops in dose because they feel it takes that long to see what the wd symptoms will be... for each drop as often withdrawal is delayed. 

 

Some symptoms like stomach may show up right away this could be wd or but not always it depends on how taking the actual drug is affecting your gut ... withdrawal affects your gut too but it  can take much longer to hit for some people.   

 

It could come in variable ways nausea soon after a drop ..caused by how the drug affects the gut liver ect... or could be wd or could be both.. could have nausea from wd and do another cut and get increased symptoms as wd is now twice as bad as your feeling the cut from a few wks ago plus a month ago pluse 6 wks ago... I think this is clear as mud... if you don't understand I will make another attempt so let me know...

 

I felt nausea but did not get the gut flue like symptoms for 6-7 wks after stopping effexor... then I thought I had the flu when it stayed for months I knew it was not just the flu. 

 

When people cut often within a 6 wk period the affects of the cuts can be cumulative... so if you cut every two wks and if wd for you is delayed you will get increasingly worse symptoms over that 6wk period or it could hit large and just stick .. in which case a long hold and maybe a updose will be needed... getting stable and staying that way is key.  One problem is sometimes people  get so use to having symptoms they keep cutting and not waiting long enough for their body to adjust to the drop and get stable they risk the cumulative drops and hitting a wall. if you truly listen to your body and drop when you are sure you feeling stable... sometimes it takes some people six wks to see or more... it takes as long as it takes. Stability trumps speed... for most once they understand the variables of the  process they can sort out what is up. 

 

This is how I see from years of watching and talking to people... I have never had a successful taper.  

Wishing you peace B

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

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Day 1: reducing .10mg... Nauseous and anxious. Agitated, on edge. Hoping tomorrow is better.

Lexapro 10mg 2014, tapered,January 2015 started Brintollex, very quickly went into panic attacks and horrible side effects. After 2 weeks on and continuing to get much much worse, stopped taking the brintollex. 2015 was filled with trial and error-xanax switched to ativancelexa started; ativan switched back to xanax; neurontin started; xanax switched to Klonopin; celexa increased several times to 60 mg over only a few months; neurontin increased several times then quickly stopped; latuda started and stopped; celexa tapering began 8/15 60mg-40 mg; celexa 9/15 40mg-30mg ; celexa 10/15 30-20mg, increased back to 30mg; celexa 11/15 30-20mg; mid november 20-15mg; 12/15 15-10; mid dec 10-5; 12/31/15 stopped taking.<p>Reinstated accidentally at 5mg on 2/8; dropped to 1mg on 2/11, stopped 3/2016.

 

Klonopin 4.5mg taper started 7/13/16. Currently at .875 mg (1/2017).

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Hi d24b,

 

These might be helpful:

 

Audio:  How to Recover from Anxiety - Dr Claire Weekes

 

Audio:  First Aid for Panic (4 minutes)
 
Also, please don't forget to update your signature when you are able to.  Thanks.

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Day 2 reducing .10mg: woke up with bad nausea, high anxiety

Lexapro 10mg 2014, tapered,January 2015 started Brintollex, very quickly went into panic attacks and horrible side effects. After 2 weeks on and continuing to get much much worse, stopped taking the brintollex. 2015 was filled with trial and error-xanax switched to ativancelexa started; ativan switched back to xanax; neurontin started; xanax switched to Klonopin; celexa increased several times to 60 mg over only a few months; neurontin increased several times then quickly stopped; latuda started and stopped; celexa tapering began 8/15 60mg-40 mg; celexa 9/15 40mg-30mg ; celexa 10/15 30-20mg, increased back to 30mg; celexa 11/15 30-20mg; mid november 20-15mg; 12/15 15-10; mid dec 10-5; 12/31/15 stopped taking.<p>Reinstated accidentally at 5mg on 2/8; dropped to 1mg on 2/11, stopped 3/2016.

 

Klonopin 4.5mg taper started 7/13/16. Currently at .875 mg (1/2017).

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Question:

 

Am I better off stopping the meds since we're at .15mg and I'm feeling anxiety/panic/nausea?

 

I'm feeling like by decreasing in these tiny increments that I'm just prolonging the nausea and the withdrawal since I'm already feeling the anxiety and panic. Would it be better at this point to rip off the bandaid and at least have the nausea gone?

Lexapro 10mg 2014, tapered,January 2015 started Brintollex, very quickly went into panic attacks and horrible side effects. After 2 weeks on and continuing to get much much worse, stopped taking the brintollex. 2015 was filled with trial and error-xanax switched to ativancelexa started; ativan switched back to xanax; neurontin started; xanax switched to Klonopin; celexa increased several times to 60 mg over only a few months; neurontin increased several times then quickly stopped; latuda started and stopped; celexa tapering began 8/15 60mg-40 mg; celexa 9/15 40mg-30mg ; celexa 10/15 30-20mg, increased back to 30mg; celexa 11/15 30-20mg; mid november 20-15mg; 12/15 15-10; mid dec 10-5; 12/31/15 stopped taking.<p>Reinstated accidentally at 5mg on 2/8; dropped to 1mg on 2/11, stopped 3/2016.

 

Klonopin 4.5mg taper started 7/13/16. Currently at .875 mg (1/2017).

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D.               There is no guarantee , that if you do that , the nausea will be gone .   Colonial is right .We all get symptoms , whether tapering or not . It is all part of the "windows & waves " pattern  of stabilization.

There are no guarantees , with any of this .  Everyone reacts differently . I would " stick with the plan " at this point .

 

Maybe, reread the links above , and practice that breathing . Try to keep some stability , if you can .

 

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Many SSRI's and SSNRI's over 20 years. Zoloft for 7 years followed by Effexor, Lexapro, Prozac, Cymbalta, Celexa, Pristiq, Valdoxan, Mianserin and more - on and off. No tapering. Cold turkey off Valdoxan - end of May 2014

 

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dadto4, as I explained before, it's a balance between going off the drug because of the nausea or triggering withdrawal symptoms.

 

If you want to simply quit, you may get more withdrawal symptoms. It's impossible to predict. Your choice.

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

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I personally think the nausea is simply part and parcel of the withdrawal package.

 

You may still have this even when off celexa entirely ... (i did).

 

Getting off the drug is no guarantee the wdl symptoms will end (esp with ultra fast tapering is involved) and you may then  find the nausea occurs at a different end or you now get it from both ends (i did).

 

Hey dt4b are you able to put your klonopin dosage (2mg twice a day?)  and propanolol dosage (?mg) in your drug signature.

 

At least when the panic attacks/anxiety waves occur you now know that it is not you it is the wdl...and it will pass.

 

If you are on the front line in your work is it possible to transfer for a season to back office/lighter duties.

 

Hang in there.

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URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting  for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing.

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Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos.

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None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. 

This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! 

  "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped."  Dr Mosher. Me too! 

Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015

I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015

Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017

 

 

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How long have you been on klonopin?

10 years citalopram 30mg- tapered down in December 15/2015- Jan 15/2016 to 20mg for two weeks, ten for one week and five for another week, then stopped, less then two weeks later, sheer hell broke lose with debilitating withdrawal symptoms.

 

Update-- reinstated 5mg of celexa on feb 5-- within hours noticed immediate difference in WD symptoms-- Holding holding and more holding.

 

Updose- March 23/16 too 10mg- relieved the harsher head symptoms- current symptoms headaches, dizzy, numbness and tingling in my head.

 

Benzos- 2015-Ativan on and off for 6 months 2mg- switched to clonazepam nov 2015- 2mg till Jan 2016 Zopiclone 7.5mg nov-dec 2015- was tapered off over 4weeks- Currently in protracted withdrawal. ????????????????????????????????

 

Update- ended up in the hospital April 18/16 major suicidal ( never had that before) was admitted/ been there ever since, put me back to full dose celexa 30mg no drugs added, IAM FINALLY STABLE AFTER 3 months of tortuous hell. Got a great physiatrist that new all about WD, he will help me taper properly in a couple of months at 5% deductions holding 8 weeks. I never want to relive that hell again.

 

Udate- stable and holding, doing things slowly is key.

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Considering the pretty regular change in dosages, it's impossible to say what is what.  It takes weeks for your body to adjust to dosage changes.  Changing it bi monthly and now daily is a crap shoot. 

 

Nausea is a pretty common withdrawal symptom for a lot of meds.  Hard to tell at this point why you are having it.

 Starting ds 2 (12.5 CR'S) = 25 MG PAXIL CR 1/21/15: 1 Pill + 10mg liquid (2 weeks) 2/4: 1 Pill + 9mg Lq (3 weeks) 2/25: 1 Pill + 8 mg lq (1 week) 3/4: 1 Pill + 6 mg lq (2 weeks) 3/18/15 1 Pill + 4 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/1/15 1 Pill + 3 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/14/15 1 Pill + 2 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/29/15 1Pill + 1 mg lq (16 days) 5/15/15 1 12.5 mg Pill ONLY (9 days) 5/24/15 12 mgs liquid (8 days) 6/1/15 11mg lq (12 days) 6/13/15 10 mg.  12/3/15 Drop from 8mg to 7.6 (24 days to) 12/27/15 7.2mgs 8/4/16 6.8mgs,  11/1/16 6.4mgs, 2/5/17 6 mgs  4/3/17 5.6mgs, 4/24/17 5.2mg, 6/13/17 4.8mgs, 9/20/17 4.4mgS, 11/23/17 4 mgs, 1/1/18 3.6 mgs, 2/15/18 3.2 mgs. 4/13/18 2.8mgs, 5/11/18 2.4mgs, 6/10/18 2.0 mgs, 8/4/18 1.6mgs,  9/27/18 1.2mgs, 12/24/18 0.8mg, 3/24/19 0.64 mg,(syringe change issue date?) 4/22/19 0.60 mg, 5/24/19 0.60 mg, 7/7/19 0.52 mgs, 8/4/19 0.44mgs, 11/4/19 0.36mgs, 2/1/20 0.28mgs, 3/1/20 0.24mgs (crash April 6) Compound started 6/28/21: 0.24mgs, 8/29/21: 0.22mgs, 10/31/21: 0.20mgs, 1/03/22: 0.18mgs, 3/5/22: 0.16mgs, 5/5/22: 0.14mgs.

 

Original Wellbutrin Dose: 6 months from 9/14 to 3/2015, 300 XL 3/15/15: Half to 150 XL ( severe symptoms started on day 12) 4/16/15: 125mg   for 20 days to: 5/6/15:   100mg  for  15 days to: 5/21/15    75mg  for  10 days to: 6/1/15:  56.25mg      13 days to: 6/13/15: 37.25mg    7 days to: 6/20/15  28.12mg   14 days to: 7/4/15  18.75mg, 7 days to: 7/11/15; RAISE BACK TO: 28.12 to 8/14/15: 18.75mg  20 days to :9/3/15 : 12.5mg, 8/4/16 9mg 1/9/17: 8.5mg 2/8/17 8mg, 3/9/17: 7.6  4/9/17  7.2  5/27/17 6.4 6/24/17 5.8, 8/1/17 5.0, 8/29/17 4.2mgs, 10/2/17 3.5mgs, 12/28/17 2.5mgs, 2/27/18 1.7mgs,  4/19/18 0.8 mgs, LAST DOSE: 6/11/18:  3 YEARS, 2 MONTHS, 27 DAYS...

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I have had nausea with every SSRI I've ever been on. I didn't have it while I was in the beginning of the withdrawal. Only started again when I reinstated. I truly believe the nausea is linked to the celexa and not withdrawal.

 

I've been on klonopin for a year.

Lexapro 10mg 2014, tapered,January 2015 started Brintollex, very quickly went into panic attacks and horrible side effects. After 2 weeks on and continuing to get much much worse, stopped taking the brintollex. 2015 was filled with trial and error-xanax switched to ativancelexa started; ativan switched back to xanax; neurontin started; xanax switched to Klonopin; celexa increased several times to 60 mg over only a few months; neurontin increased several times then quickly stopped; latuda started and stopped; celexa tapering began 8/15 60mg-40 mg; celexa 9/15 40mg-30mg ; celexa 10/15 30-20mg, increased back to 30mg; celexa 11/15 30-20mg; mid november 20-15mg; 12/15 15-10; mid dec 10-5; 12/31/15 stopped taking.<p>Reinstated accidentally at 5mg on 2/8; dropped to 1mg on 2/11, stopped 3/2016.

 

Klonopin 4.5mg taper started 7/13/16. Currently at .875 mg (1/2017).

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And I'm currently trying to use some vacation time but they're targeting me for misuse of time bc of sick time and vacation time I've used already this year. This **** is going to cost me my job.

Lexapro 10mg 2014, tapered,January 2015 started Brintollex, very quickly went into panic attacks and horrible side effects. After 2 weeks on and continuing to get much much worse, stopped taking the brintollex. 2015 was filled with trial and error-xanax switched to ativancelexa started; ativan switched back to xanax; neurontin started; xanax switched to Klonopin; celexa increased several times to 60 mg over only a few months; neurontin increased several times then quickly stopped; latuda started and stopped; celexa tapering began 8/15 60mg-40 mg; celexa 9/15 40mg-30mg ; celexa 10/15 30-20mg, increased back to 30mg; celexa 11/15 30-20mg; mid november 20-15mg; 12/15 15-10; mid dec 10-5; 12/31/15 stopped taking.<p>Reinstated accidentally at 5mg on 2/8; dropped to 1mg on 2/11, stopped 3/2016.

 

Klonopin 4.5mg taper started 7/13/16. Currently at .875 mg (1/2017).

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Would you have access to an alternative care provider who could really check out your GI system? Besides withdrawal, anxiety and nausea can be classic symptoms of a GI problem. Or not...

1st round Prozac 1989/90, clear depression symptoms. 2nd round Prozac started 1999 when admitted to dr. I was tired. Prozac pooped out, switch to Cymbalta 3/2006. Diagnosed with bipolar disorder due to mania 6/2006--then I was taken abruptly off Cymbalta and didn't know I had SSRI withdrawal. Lots of meds for my intractable "bipolar" symptoms.

Zyprexa started about 9/06, mostly 5mg. Tapered 4/12 through12/29/12

Wellbutrin. XL 300 mg started 1/07, tapered 1/18/13 through 7/8/13

Oxazepam mostly continuously since 6/06, 30mg since 12/12, tapered 1.17.14 through 8.26.15

11/06 Lithium 600mg twice daily, 2.2.14 400mg TID DIY liquid, 2.12.14 1150mg, 3.2.14 1100mg, 3.18.14 1075mg, 4/14 updose to 1100mg, 6.1.14 900 mg capsules 7.8.14 810mg, 8.17.14 725mg, 8.24.24 700mg...10.22.14 487.5mg, 3.9.15 475mg, 4.1.15 462.5mg 4.21.15 450mg 8.11.15 375mg, 11.28.15 362.5mg, back to 375mg four days later, 3.4.16 updose to 475 (too much going on to risk trouble)

9/4/13 Toprol-XL 25mg daily for sudden hypertension, tapered 11.12.13 through 5.3.14, last 10 days or so switched to atenolol

7.4.14 Started Walsh Protocol

56 years old

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I have had nausea with every SSRI I've ever been on. I didn't have it while I was in the beginning of the withdrawal. Only started again when I reinstated. I truly believe the nausea is linked to the celexa and not withdrawal.

 

ok then well maybe its time to back off it.

 

Nausea is linked to wdl also though, well it was for me and Glenmullen lists it as a wdl symptom.

When it comes to ssri wdl 'past performance is no indicator of future performance' The game can change the second/third time around.

 

And I'm currently trying to use some vacation time but they're targeting me for misuse of time bc of sick time and vacation time I've used already this year. This **** is going to cost me my job.

Not if you are proactive in playing your cards.

Are you able to talk to someone in HR regarding options.

Like leave without pay,

Like lighter duties even if its just filling the squad cars with gas each day.

Like part time work.

Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen

We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. 

URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting  for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing.

http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651   

Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos.

Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you

Recovering paxil addict

None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. 

This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! 

  "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped."  Dr Mosher. Me too! 

Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015

I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015

Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017

 

 

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Dadto4boys,

 

How much klonopin do you take a day? Has is been a consistent dose the hole year?

10 years citalopram 30mg- tapered down in December 15/2015- Jan 15/2016 to 20mg for two weeks, ten for one week and five for another week, then stopped, less then two weeks later, sheer hell broke lose with debilitating withdrawal symptoms.

 

Update-- reinstated 5mg of celexa on feb 5-- within hours noticed immediate difference in WD symptoms-- Holding holding and more holding.

 

Updose- March 23/16 too 10mg- relieved the harsher head symptoms- current symptoms headaches, dizzy, numbness and tingling in my head.

 

Benzos- 2015-Ativan on and off for 6 months 2mg- switched to clonazepam nov 2015- 2mg till Jan 2016 Zopiclone 7.5mg nov-dec 2015- was tapered off over 4weeks- Currently in protracted withdrawal. ????????????????????????????????

 

Update- ended up in the hospital April 18/16 major suicidal ( never had that before) was admitted/ been there ever since, put me back to full dose celexa 30mg no drugs added, IAM FINALLY STABLE AFTER 3 months of tortuous hell. Got a great physiatrist that new all about WD, he will help me taper properly in a couple of months at 5% deductions holding 8 weeks. I never want to relive that hell again.

 

Udate- stable and holding, doing things slowly is key.

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When you take your klonopin, does it help the anxiety or make it worse? Or does the anxiety remain the same?

10 years citalopram 30mg- tapered down in December 15/2015- Jan 15/2016 to 20mg for two weeks, ten for one week and five for another week, then stopped, less then two weeks later, sheer hell broke lose with debilitating withdrawal symptoms.

 

Update-- reinstated 5mg of celexa on feb 5-- within hours noticed immediate difference in WD symptoms-- Holding holding and more holding.

 

Updose- March 23/16 too 10mg- relieved the harsher head symptoms- current symptoms headaches, dizzy, numbness and tingling in my head.

 

Benzos- 2015-Ativan on and off for 6 months 2mg- switched to clonazepam nov 2015- 2mg till Jan 2016 Zopiclone 7.5mg nov-dec 2015- was tapered off over 4weeks- Currently in protracted withdrawal. ????????????????????????????????

 

Update- ended up in the hospital April 18/16 major suicidal ( never had that before) was admitted/ been there ever since, put me back to full dose celexa 30mg no drugs added, IAM FINALLY STABLE AFTER 3 months of tortuous hell. Got a great physiatrist that new all about WD, he will help me taper properly in a couple of months at 5% deductions holding 8 weeks. I never want to relive that hell again.

 

Udate- stable and holding, doing things slowly is key.

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Ali4 its in post #98 assuming nothing has changed.

Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen

We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. 

URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting  for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing.

http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651   

Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos.

Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you

Recovering paxil addict

None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. 

This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! 

  "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped."  Dr Mosher. Me too! 

Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015

I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015

Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017

 

 

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dadto4boys, on 28 Mar 2016 - 7:43 PM, said:snapback.png

And I'm currently trying to use some vacation time but they're targeting me for misuse of time bc of sick time and vacation time I've used already this year. This **** is going to cost me my job..."

 

 

 

 

 

WHICH IS WHY I suggested 2 days ago to speak with your union rep about short term disability.  The good news is because of the type of work your do, they CAnNOT fire you for LEGITIMATE illness of this type if you need time off.  The GOOD NEWS is you have this online journal as part of your medical record of what is going on.  But you need to do something to cover yourself and speak with your legal rep NOW and not put it off until the time they are trying to fire you.  Need to be proactive.

 

They cannot fire you or force you to work through a short term psychiatric or medication related issue.  Otherwise something unfortunate happens and they get sued.  But you need to get the ball rolling on some kind of "legal record" or why you need time off.

 

You may be able to make a case  that the reason you needed the medication is work related stress, as well, then its "job related" disability.

 

Praying for you now..

 Starting ds 2 (12.5 CR'S) = 25 MG PAXIL CR 1/21/15: 1 Pill + 10mg liquid (2 weeks) 2/4: 1 Pill + 9mg Lq (3 weeks) 2/25: 1 Pill + 8 mg lq (1 week) 3/4: 1 Pill + 6 mg lq (2 weeks) 3/18/15 1 Pill + 4 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/1/15 1 Pill + 3 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/14/15 1 Pill + 2 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/29/15 1Pill + 1 mg lq (16 days) 5/15/15 1 12.5 mg Pill ONLY (9 days) 5/24/15 12 mgs liquid (8 days) 6/1/15 11mg lq (12 days) 6/13/15 10 mg.  12/3/15 Drop from 8mg to 7.6 (24 days to) 12/27/15 7.2mgs 8/4/16 6.8mgs,  11/1/16 6.4mgs, 2/5/17 6 mgs  4/3/17 5.6mgs, 4/24/17 5.2mg, 6/13/17 4.8mgs, 9/20/17 4.4mgS, 11/23/17 4 mgs, 1/1/18 3.6 mgs, 2/15/18 3.2 mgs. 4/13/18 2.8mgs, 5/11/18 2.4mgs, 6/10/18 2.0 mgs, 8/4/18 1.6mgs,  9/27/18 1.2mgs, 12/24/18 0.8mg, 3/24/19 0.64 mg,(syringe change issue date?) 4/22/19 0.60 mg, 5/24/19 0.60 mg, 7/7/19 0.52 mgs, 8/4/19 0.44mgs, 11/4/19 0.36mgs, 2/1/20 0.28mgs, 3/1/20 0.24mgs (crash April 6) Compound started 6/28/21: 0.24mgs, 8/29/21: 0.22mgs, 10/31/21: 0.20mgs, 1/03/22: 0.18mgs, 3/5/22: 0.16mgs, 5/5/22: 0.14mgs.

 

Original Wellbutrin Dose: 6 months from 9/14 to 3/2015, 300 XL 3/15/15: Half to 150 XL ( severe symptoms started on day 12) 4/16/15: 125mg   for 20 days to: 5/6/15:   100mg  for  15 days to: 5/21/15    75mg  for  10 days to: 6/1/15:  56.25mg      13 days to: 6/13/15: 37.25mg    7 days to: 6/20/15  28.12mg   14 days to: 7/4/15  18.75mg, 7 days to: 7/11/15; RAISE BACK TO: 28.12 to 8/14/15: 18.75mg  20 days to :9/3/15 : 12.5mg, 8/4/16 9mg 1/9/17: 8.5mg 2/8/17 8mg, 3/9/17: 7.6  4/9/17  7.2  5/27/17 6.4 6/24/17 5.8, 8/1/17 5.0, 8/29/17 4.2mgs, 10/2/17 3.5mgs, 12/28/17 2.5mgs, 2/27/18 1.7mgs,  4/19/18 0.8 mgs, LAST DOSE: 6/11/18:  3 YEARS, 2 MONTHS, 27 DAYS...

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Your klonopin may be causing a rebound effect on anxiety, you may have reached a tolerance to it, may be worth a shot going on the benzo forum and discussing with wellness. Ali

10 years citalopram 30mg- tapered down in December 15/2015- Jan 15/2016 to 20mg for two weeks, ten for one week and five for another week, then stopped, less then two weeks later, sheer hell broke lose with debilitating withdrawal symptoms.

 

Update-- reinstated 5mg of celexa on feb 5-- within hours noticed immediate difference in WD symptoms-- Holding holding and more holding.

 

Updose- March 23/16 too 10mg- relieved the harsher head symptoms- current symptoms headaches, dizzy, numbness and tingling in my head.

 

Benzos- 2015-Ativan on and off for 6 months 2mg- switched to clonazepam nov 2015- 2mg till Jan 2016 Zopiclone 7.5mg nov-dec 2015- was tapered off over 4weeks- Currently in protracted withdrawal. ????????????????????????????????

 

Update- ended up in the hospital April 18/16 major suicidal ( never had that before) was admitted/ been there ever since, put me back to full dose celexa 30mg no drugs added, IAM FINALLY STABLE AFTER 3 months of tortuous hell. Got a great physiatrist that new all about WD, he will help me taper properly in a couple of months at 5% deductions holding 8 weeks. I never want to relive that hell again.

 

Udate- stable and holding, doing things slowly is key.

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After speaking to both Union reps I'm getting a doctors note for 3 weeks off and there's nothing they can do about it, basically.

 

Klonopin has remained the same - no up or down with that. I figured I'd cross that bridge once I'm fully recovered from this situation.

Lexapro 10mg 2014, tapered,January 2015 started Brintollex, very quickly went into panic attacks and horrible side effects. After 2 weeks on and continuing to get much much worse, stopped taking the brintollex. 2015 was filled with trial and error-xanax switched to ativancelexa started; ativan switched back to xanax; neurontin started; xanax switched to Klonopin; celexa increased several times to 60 mg over only a few months; neurontin increased several times then quickly stopped; latuda started and stopped; celexa tapering began 8/15 60mg-40 mg; celexa 9/15 40mg-30mg ; celexa 10/15 30-20mg, increased back to 30mg; celexa 11/15 30-20mg; mid november 20-15mg; 12/15 15-10; mid dec 10-5; 12/31/15 stopped taking.<p>Reinstated accidentally at 5mg on 2/8; dropped to 1mg on 2/11, stopped 3/2016.

 

Klonopin 4.5mg taper started 7/13/16. Currently at .875 mg (1/2017).

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