Pens

[manymoretodays]

Hi Pens,

I think if I were you, I'd stay put.  It's only been 9 days so far.

I was surprised that you did the taper when you did, but that's okay.  And am hoping you/we see improvement in the sleep in the next couple of nights.

 

Thrush is a fungal condition, yes, and caused by Candida.  And I'm hoping that clears soon.  Maybe from the prednisone, unfortunately.

 

Wishing you the best or better day today, Pens!

[Pens]

@manymoretodaysi should add that my mind is racing constantly and can’t shut it off. 

[manymoretodays]

Oh Pens, 

The squirrel brain?  Or intrusive stuff?  Sure hoping that sleep improvement will help, when that occurs.  And it will.

How are you doing with the sleep hygiene measures now?  You could try a bit of Epsom salts for your magnesium, if you have not already, recently.  Perhaps just a foot soak first in the Epsom and warm water.  I always use way less than the package recommends too.  And still get a good relax going.

 

Try pen to paper with the racing thoughts too.  That has helped me......to blurt them all on paper and then forget about them.  Are they worry thoughts?

 

Okay, all for now.

Best.  L, P, H, and G,

mmt

[Pens]

15 hours ago, manymoretodays said:

foot soak first in the Epsom and warm water.

Morning @manymoretodays I took a Epson salts bath last night. Don’t know if it helped. I still slept about 3-3 1/2 hrs. It felt nice though. Will also try the foot soak. Any supplements right now don’t seem to sit well accept Ester C. I’m trying to get my immune system healed. Also trying to heal my stomach. I can only eat certain things.

 

16 hours ago, manymoretodays said:

Are they worry thoughts

I’m worrying about my family and this virus, but no mainly everyday thoughts that won’t shut off. If you’ve had this and survived then I will try to as well. Keeping you and ours in my prayers.  🙏🏻And thank you! 

[Pens]

March 23, 2020

slept 3 1/2 hrs

a.m. tense, tired, restless, Candida detox getting me down

6:00 vitamin C 150 mg and garlic 

8:00 breakfast vitamin C 150 mg, cold all over

9:00 yogurt 

p.m. indigestion from 6:30-9:00 (oatmeal)

12:00 lunch

1:30 coconut oil pull

2:45 apple

4:30 vitamin C 150 mg, garlic

6:00 feeling a bit better

6:30 oatmeal

8:30 mirtazapine 1.5 ml

9:15 Epson salt bath

9:30 gold bond lotion

10:30 bedtime, gravol 50 ml. 

 

[Pens]

March 24,2020

sleep 3 hours

a.m. cold, trembling

7:30  breakfast, vit C 150 mg.

9;50 Nasonex

10:00 snack

warm,

11:30 lunch, cup of apple cider vinegar and honey, feeling dizzy, weak

p.m.

2:00 second part of lunch

3:10 garlic supplement

4:30 supper, vitamin E (wont be taking again)

6:00 itching all over

7:00 snack, feeling better

8:30 Mirtazapine 1.5 mg.

10:30 bedtime

 

[Pens]

Hi, Hope everyone is safe and well. Can you tell me please or cold hands and feet symptoms of antidepressant withdrawal.

[manymoretodays]

They do seem to be a symptom that many have had.  And here's a couple links that apply, from S and SC:

Body temperature dysregulation

Burning skin, burning feet

^ does mention the cold hands and feet as well

Can Raynaud's be caused by SSRI withdrawal?

 

( I just did a quick search, survivingantidepressants.org cold hands and feet, from my main browser and those came right up, as well as some Introduction topics by other members)

 

Pens, you can post in those topics too.  I have had more of the cold feet symptom, not so much hands, but sometimes, both in withdrawal and also before.  It seems to come and go.  And may be improved at this point.  Nothing to the extreme anyway, as far as those symptoms go, and I do okay in the cold, with adequate clothing coverage and all, socks, good boots(for ski ing), thermal mitts, etc.

 

How did you sleep last night?  I'm hoping a bit longer.  And notice the itching all over after the garlic and Vit E.  Do you take any omega 3's?  I take Vitamin E, to assist with absorption of my omega 3's mainly.

 

Yipper, holding down the fort here, at home mostly.........I get to escape to nature and do!!  Doing some cool stuff at home, finding old hobbies to pick up on, and cleaning.  I am actually doing Spring cleaning in the Spring this year.......how strange , as it's usually in the fall or winter.

 

Best day ever to you,

L, P, H, and G,

mmt

[Pens]

3 hours ago, manymoretodays said:

How did you sleep last night?  I'm hoping a bit longer.  And notice the itching all over after the garlic and Vit E.  Do you take any omega 3's?  I take Vitamin E, to assist with absorption of my omega 3's mainly.

sleep not good? Ive tried taking the omegas but they make me nauseous so I try to eat salmon everyday. I tried the vitamin E last night and got bad indigestion. I can only take Vit C and garlic at the moment. Im really sensitive to everything. have always been like that but not this bad. thanks for giving me the links. I tried putting in cold hands and kept getting (cold turkey). Oh well, now I know its a symptom of ADW. hoping to get some sleep tonight. going to get my husband to use the clippers and do my hair since no salons are open. He doesn't know it yet. Wish I had the interest and energy to do my spring cleaning. Thanks for taking the time to respond to me out of your busy schedule. If I know the symptoms I have are normal with ADW then I know its not something else I should be concerned with. I was just wondering, by taking garlic, I am in a way detoxing and maybe this is causing me discomfort as far as sleeping goes. Maybe I should give it a break for a while and let my body settle down. I'm taking the Vitamin C to build up my immune system that was compromised by the Pred Fort. I know you're solely here for antidepressant withdrawal but wondered what you think.  Praying you and your family are safe. 

Edited March 25, 2020 by Pens
added in info at bottom

[Pens]

march 25, 2020

sleep ?

a.m. cold hands, tired, tongue burning

8:00 breakfast, garlic pill

9:50 yogurt, vitamin C 150 mg

10:20 coconut oil pull for thrush, stomach ache

12:00 lunch

p.m. dizzy, will be eating food to increase white blood cell count, I read where Mirtazapine depletes your white blood cells

2:00 snack cold hands, vitamin C 150 mg

5:00 supper, clearlax and pepto bismo

6:55 snack, stomach hurts, Gaviscon 

7:45 nasal rinse

8:30 mirtazapine 1.5 mg

9:30 foot soak in Epson salts bath

9:45 pepto bismo

10:30 bedtime gravol 25 mg.

[Pens]

@manymoretodays hi, I have enough mirtazapine for approximately 3 months and both my family doc and psychiatrist want me to stop taking it. My two weeks on 1.5 ml. Is up tomorrow so should I taper another 5%? If so would that be 1.45 ml.? 

[Pens]

March 26, 2020

slept 4 1/2 hours 

a.m. anxious, agitated, dizzy, felt faint

5:00 coconut oil pull 

5:30 vitamin C 150 mg, itchy elbow and collar bone

breakfast slightly itchy scalp

nasal rinse

7:45 started to drift off to sleep but woke up because I thought I was going to pass out, sipped. Some salt water

vitamin C 150 mg and Vitamin E
snack

8:40 nausea

10:50 snack, cold hands and feet

11:30 itchy neck

p.m. 
12:00 lunch

5:00 nystatin for thrush

6:00 supper

WINDOW 6:00 to bedtime 

7:00 metamucil

 8:30 mirtazapine 1.5 ml.

bedtime 10:30 25 ml gravol

 

 

[manymoretodays]

Hi Pens,

I come up with:

1.5 mg X .95 = 1.425 mg or 1.425 mL(with your one to one dilution)

That would be a 5% taper from the 1.5 mg dose that you are on.

 

I think when we started with 1.6 mg, and calculated, a 10 % taper, from that.......then we split it into two 5% tapers, I came up with this:

1.52 mg for the first 5 %

1.44 mg for the second 5%

 

Can you measure to the second decimal point on your syringe?

And I think, if you would like to expedite your taper a little bit, or speed it up a bit more, you could do the 1.42 mg dose next.  A 5% drop from the present 1.5 mg dose.

 

I don't think you've experienced increased WDsymptoms these past 2 weeks.  Do you?  And what do you feel comfortable with doing?

 

And hurray, a nice evening window last night.  And a 4 and 1/2 hour stretch of sleep!  Your early morning was not so great though,

2 hours ago, Pens said:

7:45 started to drift off to sleep but woke up because I thought I was going to pass out, sipped. Some salt water

 

Were you feeling nausea or having any breathing problems ^ here?  What does the coconut oil pull involve?  When is the last time you had your electrolytes checked?  Are you getting any weight gained back yet?

 

What are the family doc and psychiatrist thinking?  Did they say why they want you off it?

 

Best Pens,

L, P, H, and G,

mmt

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 27, 2020 by manymoretodays

[Pens]

6 hours ago, manymoretodays said:

What are the family doc and psychiatrist thinking?  Did they say why they want you off it?

My GP initially thought I could be off it in five days. The psychiatrist, I’m not sure. I called to talk to him today, but hasn’t returned my call yet. My doctor put me back on nystatin. Thrush didn’t quite clear up. He told me to stop eating fruit for now because of the sugar and to take some Metamucil to help get rid of the toxins. I would like to get my electrolytes checked but right now my natural path’s office is closed. Also I’m trying to stay away from sugar until this candida clears up. Noticed that some of my symptoms are related to candida detox. Cold hands and anxiety.  I have been eating more. Ate too much for supper tonight. Ouch! The coconut oil  pull means that I put about a tablespoon and a half or 2 tablespoons of coconut oil in my mouth swish it around, I left it in there for approximately 15 minutes and then spit it out.

I can try the reduction. I hope I’m not rushing it. It’s hard to tell with the detox going on, but if my psychiatrist isn’t going to refill my antidepressant, I Yes I should think about coming down on my dose

6 hours ago, manymoretodays said:

having any breathing problems

I.Don’t know what that was all about but it was very scary felt like I was falling and gonna pass out so I abruptly  woke up.

 

as always thank you for your help and direction. Stay safe.🙏🏻

[Pens]

6 hours ago, manymoretodays said:

Are you getting any weight gained back yet?

No, but I’m eating healthier. 

[manymoretodays]

12 minutes ago, Pens said:

My GP initially thought I could be off it in five days. The psychiatrist, I’m not sure.

 

That's too bad.  Anyone can prescribe this for you. 

Keep eating Pens!  Healthy eating is great!

[Pens]

March 27, 2020

sleep?

a.m. shaky, tired, dizzy, fighting Candida detoxing

4::00 woke up

nystatin 5 ml.

7:00 breakfast, vitamin C 150 ml

9:15 garlic

10;00 snack

11:15 nystatin 5 ml

p.m. Nauseous, very cold hands (symptom of Candida detox)?

12:30 lunch
2:00 vitamin C 150 mg

2:30 probiotic 

5:00 supper, Metamucil, nystatin  5 ml

7:45 hot water and lemon juice

8:30 mirtazapine 1.44 mg

11:00 bedtime 25 mg gravol 

[Pens]

@manymoretodays hi, I think I’m gonna go back up to 1.5 ml.  of the mirtazapine. I’m really struggling with sleep, one or two hours at night and also with my digestion having trouble eating and digesting my food. Maybe it was too soon for me to try and taper. Hope that’s OK. Just looking forward to some sleep tonight and not have a hurting stomach through the day.

[Altostrata]

Pens, it seems the Candida problem is much larger than the mirtazapine problem. The nystatin could be causing you to feel funny, including stomach upset and itching.

 

We advise NOT to make more than one change at a time. Adding nystatin is a drug change. Therefore, stop changing mirtazapine. Continue with 1.5mg. Tell your doctors you don't want to confuse the situation with mirtazapine withdrawal.

 

Do you get bad symptoms regularly after each time you take nystatin? Do you have new itching since you started nystatin? If so, you need to talk with your doctor about anything you think might be an adverse effect of nystatin.

[Pens]

11 minutes ago, Altostrata said:

you get bad symptoms regularly after each time you take nystatin? Do you have new itching since you started nystatin? If so, you need to talk with your doctor about anything you think might be an adverse effect of nystatin.

Hi @Altostrata, I developed thrush after taking Pred Forte, I’ve Been using nystatin to help get rid of the thrush. I am not having too much trouble with itching but I am suffering from insomnia and bad indigestion or heartburn. I think I am going through Candida die off. I have one more day to take the Nystatin for thrush. This is my second course of using nystatin because the first one didn’t get rid of it. Since then though I’ve been taking apple cider vinegar and coconut oil. Maybe that’s been too much.Thank you for advising me I’m going back up to my recent dose of 1.5 ML mirtazapine . I’ll remember not to change doses when taking other medications. Thank you for getting back to me so quickly as I wasn’t sure about the 1.5 ML dose for this evening. Hope you and yours are safe. 💐

[Altostrata]

I'm fine, thanks. Please get well and we'll get back to tapering!

[Pens]

March 28, 2020

sleep 1 or 2 hours

tired restless,tense, lightheaded,

7:00 woke up, breakfast, nystatin 15:ml.

8:25 Metamucil, apple cider vinegar, cold hands

9:00 vitamin C

11:45 nystatin,15 ml.

detoxing from Candida, very uncomfortable 

12:00 lunch, nystatin 15 ml.

bad heartburn took Eno

1:20 vitamin C

4:45 nystatin 15 ml.

5:30 supper, cold hands

window 5:00-6:15

6:00 nausea after I ate small meal, lightheaded 

8:15 1.43 ml, apple cider vinegar

9:45 sore stomach letting up

12:30 gravol 50 ml. 

[Pens]

March 29, 2020

slept maybe 2 hrs

a.m. Very tense, bad trembling, temperature fluctuations 

7:00 p.m. breakfast, garlic pill

8:15 Metamucil 

p.m. really tired trouble functioning, took too much stuff that Probably caused a lot of Candida die off Because my stomach was really sore today or nystatin side effects as well as too little sleep

12:00 lunch trouble digesting

4:00 coconut yogurt

8 o’clock probiotic, mirtazapine 1.5 ML, yogurt, cold hands

9:20 PM apple cider vinegar

1030 bedtime, Eye gel

[Pens]

I’ve read some of the posts on Candida overgrowth caused from antidepressant WD. Mine doesn’t want to clear up. If I can’t get it cleared up by taking nystatin and watching my diet, how and when will I be able to taper again? I’m taking probiotics and vitamins C and E to build up my immune system. I’m sorry I’m on the verge of tears. If I taper too quickly I can’t sleep. I don’t feel like my Candida is clearing up and maybe won’t because I’m still withdrawing and I can’t withdraw any more right now because on my second week of nystatin. Sorry, I’m feeling panicky. Can’t sleep if I taper too fast. I don’t have the support of my doctor he wants me to quit but is willing to prescribe Benzos for lack of sleep. I’m feeling discouraged.

Edited March 30, 2020 by Pens
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[manymoretodays]

Oh Pens, 

 

and you are not alone in that.......the not having the support of your doctor, with withdrawal. 

Your Candida overgrowth may have been caused by the Pred forte.  Or if it was present before then, aggravated by that.  Are you doing the nystatin topically, for your thrush?  Swishing it around.  And then, it had sounded like it was clearing some too, when the doctor had you go another week with it.  The antifungals can be tough on ones system too.  Have you had a chance to check on the nystatin and side effects and all?  Alto went over some of them.

 

You can do this.  Be really in charge of your own healing and health.  So very nice......when one CAN find a doctor who is a partner in this, and so unfortunate that many can't find this kind of relationship with a doctor.  Just one doctor.  Maybe you are getting too many inputs, from too many doctors and more alternative practitioners now.

 

I think it can be tough too, if you do too much at one time.  For example, you've been considering many angles.  I think, if I were you, I might just work on getting the thrush cleared up now.

Pens, you only got an hour of sleep last night too!!!!  Oh boy.  Of course your anxieties are sky rocketing this morning......or were.

 

Was it present before the cataract surgery?  Signs of Candida overgrowth.  And wow, I'm finding 3 topics on it here, on site.  I don't know if you found them yet. 

Candida Albicans overgrowth/Yeast infections

^ this one was started by JungleChicken, who is also active recently on her Introduction thread

Works hard on the HA issues too. ❤️

 

I hope you are having a restful day.  And I know it's real hard right now......darn it!  I'm so sorry.  (((((Pens)))))  Sending encouragement too!

 

L, P, H, and G,

mmt

Edited March 30, 2020 by manymoretodays

[Pens]

1 hour ago, manymoretodays said:

Oh Pens, 

 

and you are not alone in that.......the not having the support of your doctor, with withdrawal. 

Your Candida overgrowth may have been caused by the Pred forte.  Or if it was present before then, aggravated by that.  Are you doing the nystatin topically, for your thrush?  Swishing it around.  And then, it had sounded like it was clearing some too, when the doctor had you go another week with it.  The antifungals can be tough on ones system too.  Have you had a chance to check on the nystatin and side effects and all?  Alto went over some of them.

 

You can do this.  Be really in charge of your own healing and health.  So very nice......when one CAN find a doctor who is a partner in this, and so unfortunate that many can't find this kind of relationship with a doctor.  Just one doctor.  Maybe you are getting too many inputs, from too many doctors and more alternative practitioners now.

 

I think it can be tough too, if you do too much at one time.  For example, you've been considering many angles.  I think, if I were you, I might just work on getting the thrush cleared up now.

Pens, you only got an hour of sleep last night too!!!!  Oh boy.  Of course your anxieties are sky rocketing this morning......or were.

 

Was it present before the cataract surgery?  Signs of Candida overgrowth.  And wow, I'm finding 3 topics on it here, on site.  I don't know if you found them yet. 

Candida Albicans overgrowth/Yeast infections

^ this one was started by JungleChicken, who is also active recently on her Introduction thread

Works hard on the HA issues too. ❤️

 

I hope you are having a restful day.  And I know it's real hard right now......darn it!  I'm so sorry.  (((((Pens)))))  Sending encouragement too!

 

L, P, H, and G,

mmt

I called my doctor and he said to stop the nyStaten because it sounded like it was getting too harsh. He suggested taking the fluconazoleis but now I’m seeing side effects from it from others posting about it. I’m afraid to take it. He also suggested taking complex carbohydrates. I had a piece of toast with butter it was so good but made the mistake of having A few nuts and some diluted apple juice low in acid. Now I don’t know what’s causing my heartburn. I’m losing weight probably because I’m not eating enough. Sorry I’m a real downer today getting frustrated. I think I’ll just give my body a break for now I’ll still try the complex carbohydrates but in smaller portions.Hopefully the Candida die off will subside. Dr. sounded a little more understanding today. Does the feeling full quick after you eat sound familiar. Do I just need to eat smaller portions. It seems like anything solid I eat gets stuck in there and takes a while to go down. Don’t know if that’s with drawl related or not. Very emotional today maybe because I tapered and other changes. Oh yes what’s an HA?Thankyou  for your time in your replies.

[manymoretodays]

Hi Pens,

The HA is for health anxiety, I had mentioned that back a page or so, and given you a link.   So hope that does not offend you.  It does seem to happen with many members, kind of an obsession with all symptoms, that just won't let up sometimes.  And then that makes it very hard.  Not meant to undermine the symptoms you do have.  And then you've got some pre tapering medical issues to keep up with too.  It's just that when it takes over.......the thinking and obsessing about it all........that makes it all tougher too.

 

And good for you on the no-go with yet another antifungal.  I'm glad Alto stopped by and noted that you were doing too much at once, as far as tapering now, while also on a new medication. 

So, I think you should just sit tight, for at least a couple more weeks, before a further mirtazapine taper. 

 

Please pick one of your doctors to work with, on your other medical issues, knowing that you can and should have input, before putting any new drugs and/or supplements, into your body.  Sometimes.....it's an art form to learn to communicate with doctors and other medical people.  And so hoping you are progressing okay with that.  You may have to accept that they are not interested in tapering and WD.  Sad sometimes, but so often true.

 

I like to graze, and do small portions throughout the day myself.  One big meal.

 

Hope you got a restful night.

 

Best, L, P, H, and G,

mmt

 

 

[Pens]

March 30, 2020

slept 6-6 1/2 hours

Took gravel 25 ML halfway through the night

a.m.

720, probiotic pill

745 breakfast, Metamucil

930 vitamin C

1030 vitamin E

11 o’clock lunch

p.m. 
12 o’clock vitamin C 150 mg

145 nystatin Face itchy tongue and throat burning call Dr he said to stop nystatin too harsh

5:00 teaspoon of coconut oil

7 o’clock snack, bad heartburn, nystatin ?

830 mirtazapine 1.5 ml

10 o’clock baking soda for heartburn, helped, gel eye drop

1030 bedtime

 

[Pens]

4 hours ago, manymoretodays said:

I had mentioned that back a page or so, and given you a link.   So hope that does not offend you. 

No not at all. Right now I’m very dizzy and can’t concentrate and pretty weak. Went out to help on the front lawn today picking up twigs and didn’t last very long had to come back in and rest. I’m hoping these symptoms are withdrawal related. I guess that’s why I keep checking because I want to know if I’m doing the right thing or not. I have been eating smaller meals but not sure if I am being too drastic by cutting out bread sugar and milk with regards to candida. Thank you for your comments and guidance.💐

[Pens]

April 2, 2020

6 to 6 1/2 hours sleep

Called, mind racing, no appetite, panicky

8 AM cold hands anxious, Trembling, breakfast

10 AM Metamucil 

1030 dizzy

1145 snack

P.m. bad heartburn

1:35 PM DLG

5 PM supper

7 PM stomach burning

830 Mirtazapine 1.5 ml.

11 PM bedtime

[Pens]

April 4, 2020

4 hrs sleep

am restless, tired

7:00 porridge, blueberry, 1/2 tsp Metamucil, probiotics 

8:00 apple cider mouth rinse, cold hands

9:00 sunflower seed spread on rice cracker

12:00 hamburger, broccoli 

4:00 ( feeling faint) So took a multi vitamin for women. It helped but hard to digest. Heartburn

5:00 broccoli, Brussels sprouts, fish

6:00 heartburn, took ginger pill 

7:30 nauseous 

8:30 mirtazapine 1.5 ml

9:00 sore stomach, slight burning in back of throat, heartburn, excess spitting 

9:30 yogurt 

11:00 bed, eye gel for dry eyes, 25 ml gravol

[Pens]

Last entry should have read April 3, 2020

April 4, 2020

3 1/2 hrs sleep

a.m. Trembling, mind and heart racing, anxiety 

7:00 tsp honey for burning mouth

8:30 porridge/rice milk/blueberries 

9:0:sipping diluted prune juice

cold hands

10:00 red bell pepper

pm very tired, busy mind

12:00 rye bread, 2 egg yolks/spinach/raw carrot

12:30 calming down, stomach ok

1:15 plain yogurt 

2:00 2 caps of slippery elm

3:00 1/2 apple, cold hands

5:15 1 cap. Slippery elm, heart burn, indigestion, itchy red face

7:00 indigestion,sore throat and moth cleared up

8:20 mirtazapine 1.5 ml. Put liquid in capsules

stomach letting up

10:00 bedtime, 25 mg. Gravol, 2 sprays melatonin .75

[manymoretodays]

Okay.  Tonight has got to be the night, for another 6 and 1/2 hours then Pens.

Yah, hold off on those multi-ingredient vitamins and supplements Pens.  I spied the Women's multivitamin.

And just got a moment to look at slippery elm and it can be an irritant if used on the skin.  Is that a single ingredient supplement?  I may read more and found quite a few mentions of it, here on site.

 

You might do better with less Pens.  Not more.  And then if you decide on one thing, just one thing........stick with it.  I see lot's of different things almost every day.

 

And sleep tonight Pens.  Wishing you a very good sleep tonight.  Happy Palm Sunday too, if you observe.

 

Best, L, P, H, and G,

mmt

[Pens]

April 5, 2020

4 1/2 hours

a.m. when I wake up at 2:00 a.m. every night, I’m tense and I have squirrel brain. Usually can’t get back to sleep after that. When I do get up I’m tense and rigid for part of the morning. Restless, ridged, anxious 

7:00 breakfast rice crispies/ rice milk/peaches, diluted prune juice, 1 cap slippery elm for stomach issues, cold hands, trembling

7:30 itchy scalp and neck (slippery elm?) tense 

8:00 hands and feet warm

9:00 slice rye bread/olive oil

10:00 red pepper slices, Metamucil 1/2 tsp

10:30 blueberry, watermelon 

11:30 mouth burning

p.m. 

12:00 hamburger/spinach/green beans, 1 cap slippery elm,

2:30 anemia, very pale, white on inside of lower lid, lightheaded, took a women’s multi, vitamin C, raisin bran cereal, milk and honey for stomach, drinking prune juice

5:00 1 cap slippery elm

6:30 salmon, watermelon, fullness in chest 

8:15 mirtazapine 1.5 ml.

10:00 bedtime 25 mg gravol, reg Tylenol for pain in stomach 

 

[Pens]

21 hours ago, manymoretodays said:

.  Is that a single ingredient supplement? 

Morning, yes that was suggested to me by my natural path stomach dr. It  helps with my upset stomach but like every thing else I think I’m sensitive to it but it does help. I took the multi because I’m feeling weak and tired.  Thankyou we do normally celebrate and get together for Palm Sunday but because of Covid19 we’ve been doing our services on line. Have a safe and wonderful day. 💐🙏🏻

[Pens]

@manymoretodaysim going to have to resort to taking clonazepam for tonight because I just can’t deal with this lack of sleep I’ve tried everything nutritionally and the only thing that gets me the four hour sleep is the 25 mg gravel. I can’t sleep through the day and I’m pale and white and faint. So I’m going to try a small dose tonight just to get one or two nights sleep. Unless you have other suggestions.even tied a bit of magnesium.

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