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Hakn

Took and stopped prozac and abilify with not much problem. Following ocd depression and a panic attack took them again. After a week constant panic attack and insomnia. Doctor gives lexapro(10) and zyprexa(5). A Week later i decide i have to stop. Tried tapering zyprexa but because of the ocd coming back failed badly. Took 3 months.Some kindling in the stopping process hurt me. Quit after like a 1 mg a week and  at 0.6 mg. After 2 days at 0 mg i had very good energy just breathing made me smile. Then the energy decreased and 4 days later sleep problems started so i took zyprexa again 0.6 mg maybe. After two days sleep kinda stabilised so i stopped. 10 days later im worse than i started but not taking the drug is helping me cope. I pray i didnt do damage. Should i reinstate? Also currently trying to lower lexapro.

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Gridley

Welcome to SA, Hakm.

 

We need a little more information about your drug history.

 

1.  You said you took 5mg Zyprexa for 3 months.  What was the date you started?

 

2.  You then tapered by 1mg a week until you reached 0.6mg Zyprexa.  Is that correct?

 

2.  What was the date (approximate is fine) you reached 0.6mg Zyprexa after tapering from 5mg?

 

3.  What date did you drop to 0mg?

 

4.  What date did you start taking 0.6mg again?

 

5.  You are now 10 days from then you dropped from 0.6mg to zero.  Is that correct?

 

6.  What do you mean when you say, "not taking the drug is helping me cope"?

 

Starting and stopping these very powerful drugs is destabilizing to your system.  You are experiencing withdrawal from changing your drugs and dosage  and tapering too fast.  

 

Why taper by 10% of my dosage?

 

What is withdrawal syndrome.

 

Once you've answered these questions, we can suggest a reinstatement for of zyprexa.  Is reinstatement of zyprexa something you want to consider?

 

Regarding the Lexapro, I would recommend you stop tapering and hold there you are.  Your system is very sensitized and needs to stabilize before tapering the Lexapro.  You need to be thinking in terms of months before continuing tapering Lexapro.  WE recommend tapering and changing doses of only one drug at a time.  Otherwise, if there are problems you won't know the cause.

 

We don't recommend a lot of supplements on SA, as many members report being sensitive to them due to our over-reactive nervous systems, but two supplements that we do recommend are magnesium and omega 3 (fish oil). Many people find these to be calming to the nervous system. 

 

Magnesium, nature's calcium channel blocker 

 

Omega-3 fatty acids (fish oil) 

 

Add in one at a time and at a low dose in case you do experience problems.

 

This is your Introductory topic, where you can ask questions and connect with other members.  We're glad you found your way here.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Gridley Introduction

 

Lexapro 20 mg since 2004.  Began taper using Brassmonkey slide Jan. 2017.   

End 2017 year 1 of taper at 9.25mg 

End 2018 year 2 of taper at 4.1mg

End 2019 year 3 of taper at 1.0mg  

Current from Oct. 21, 2020 at 0.025mg

Taper is 99.875% complete.

 

Lorazepam 1 mg 1986-1991 CT, resumed a few months later. CT 2000.  1 mg 2011-2016.  Sept, 2016 increased to 0.5 X 3 in split dose. Sept. 2019 increased to 0.625 X 3 after crossover to new brand

 

Imipramine 75 mg daily since 1986.  Jan. 2016 began every 3-weeks 10% taper, down to 15mg.  Aug 2016, discovered SA, updosed to 25mg and holding.  Taper is 66% complete.  

  

Supplements: omega, vitamins E and D3, magnesium glycinate, probiotic, melatonin .3mg


I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice, but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs.

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Hakn

I started on march 30. I tapered erratiaclly until i got to around 1 mg then stayed there a week. Then i took what i aproximate 0.6 mg. So took about 3 months to reach 0.6. I took about 0.6 2 3 days then stopped for 6 days, took again for 2 days and stopped.  I guess i stopped around at agust 1. Being at 0 mg and not messing with dosage is easing at least. Sleep was hanging there so i didnt reinstate but it got worse today. Im starting to have little disturbances in balance, vision is disturbed like when looking past objects i dont filter them like before. After kindling cause couldnt sleep, when im about to sleep my inner voice utters by itself like some muscle twitch.  I think of reinstatement if things are going to get worse. But for 13 14 days i maneged to stay at 0. Thanks.

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Gridley
12 hours ago, Hakn said:

I think of reinstatement if things are going to get worse.

If you do decide to reinstate, it's better the reinstate as soon as possible after your last dose.  I wouldn't reinstate all the way back to 0.6mg, since your system has possibly gotten somewhat accustomed to not having the drug.  You could try reinstating 0.3mg.

 

As I said previously, I would stop tapering Lexapro and hold where you are. Your system needs stability now.


Gridley Introduction

 

Lexapro 20 mg since 2004.  Began taper using Brassmonkey slide Jan. 2017.   

End 2017 year 1 of taper at 9.25mg 

End 2018 year 2 of taper at 4.1mg

End 2019 year 3 of taper at 1.0mg  

Current from Oct. 21, 2020 at 0.025mg

Taper is 99.875% complete.

 

Lorazepam 1 mg 1986-1991 CT, resumed a few months later. CT 2000.  1 mg 2011-2016.  Sept, 2016 increased to 0.5 X 3 in split dose. Sept. 2019 increased to 0.625 X 3 after crossover to new brand

 

Imipramine 75 mg daily since 1986.  Jan. 2016 began every 3-weeks 10% taper, down to 15mg.  Aug 2016, discovered SA, updosed to 25mg and holding.  Taper is 66% complete.  

  

Supplements: omega, vitamins E and D3, magnesium glycinate, probiotic, melatonin .3mg


I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice, but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs.

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Hakn

Hello. Its been around 15 days since a fast and bad olanzapine taper. Is it possibly bad im not experiencing too much withdrawal? I had some window and waves but not currently. So does that mean im not healing well? I kind of dont feel horrid but havent felt good or normal either. Sleep is interrutpted once but its 7 hours. I read someone expreince insomnia after a month though. How likely ıs reinstatement better action?

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Hanna72

@Hakn

7 hours ago, Hakn said:

Is it possibly bad im not experiencing too much withdrawal? I had some window and waves but not currently. So does that mean im not healing well? I

Healing can take time. Dont focus and compare to others. Every journey and recovery is different. Our bodies are powerful and resourceful in healing us. Have faith, its important and focus on the positive aspects you are having.

 Please put your drug and withdrawal history in your signature it would be greatly appreciated,

 

here is a link for windows and waves pattern

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/82-the-windows-and-waves-pattern-of-stabilization/

 

My best wishes to you.

 

 

 



2000/ 20mg Paxil  for panic attacks. Many attempts to quit through out the years, without any success.

2019- January started tapering 20 mg Paxil. 
2019-October 10 mg Paxil , getting ready for a bridge with 20mg Prozac Took about 1 month during switch.

At one point my withdrawals were so bad I went up to 40 mg Prozac, but went quickly back down to 20 mg and very soon after that 10 mg Prozac.

Off  Paxil 2019/ November started tapering 10mg Prozac 2019/December 8 mg Prozac 

2020/January 4 mg Prozac 

2020/15/3 .09 mg jumped off

2020 March 16 off Prozac  Quetipine 25 mg used 1 time in 15 months, oxezapam 15 mg used 5 times 

Suppliments: Magnesium, omega 3 fish oil ( epa&dha) D and C vitamin 

“The two most powerful warriors are patience and time” Leo Tolstoy 

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Hakn

Thank you. I actually stopped at my second week and felt good then got hit with withdrawal and started again. Wish i had reinstated at low dose instead. Doctor told me to restart at full dose.

Now i need to decide wheter to reinstate. Not getting better overall.

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Hanna72

You are welcome.

 

On 8/16/2020 at 1:59 PM, Gridley said:

If you do decide to reinstate, it's better the reinstate as soon as possible after your last dose.  I wouldn't reinstate all the way back to 0.6mg, since your system has possibly gotten somewhat accustomed to not having the drug

keep this in mind.

 

 

About reinstating and stabilizing to reduce withdrawal symptoms

 

Take care.



2000/ 20mg Paxil  for panic attacks. Many attempts to quit through out the years, without any success.

2019- January started tapering 20 mg Paxil. 
2019-October 10 mg Paxil , getting ready for a bridge with 20mg Prozac Took about 1 month during switch.

At one point my withdrawals were so bad I went up to 40 mg Prozac, but went quickly back down to 20 mg and very soon after that 10 mg Prozac.

Off  Paxil 2019/ November started tapering 10mg Prozac 2019/December 8 mg Prozac 

2020/January 4 mg Prozac 

2020/15/3 .09 mg jumped off

2020 March 16 off Prozac  Quetipine 25 mg used 1 time in 15 months, oxezapam 15 mg used 5 times 

Suppliments: Magnesium, omega 3 fish oil ( epa&dha) D and C vitamin 

“The two most powerful warriors are patience and time” Leo Tolstoy 

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Hakn

I was not improving so yesterday i took a pebble of zyprexa(0.025 mg?) but i dont see relief. Reinstatement might not be good. Would hyperbaric oxygen therapy help or destabilize system?

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Hakn

So i panicked messed up my taper and froze. I dont mind pain i just want to heal fully. After i took a pebble after 15 days i experienced some improvement but it didnt last. Should i try taking again? Am i in wd? Experiencing some anhedonia i guess and lights make bigger halos and some minor muscle twitching. Ocd is worse. I Wasnt enthuastic to begin with cant bear loss properly.

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Aember

you are definitely in withdrawal. you beed to ride it out in a consistent way. inconsistency will destabilize you. from what i have read, predict at least 6 weeks of abnoramality once you reach 0, though that varies from  person to person. you are likely better in withdrawal then when you stopped, so keep committed to seeing the withdrawal through. only reinstate consistently at a super low dose if you absolutely must.


Rabavert rabies vaccine February 2020, 2 doses. Seroquel 25 mg end of March 2020, immediately had some involuntary movement. Switched to Trazodone and had an Akathesia episode and involuntary movement, was up for 24 hours pacing. The next week was put on Citalopram 10mg, immediately got dyskinesia (pill rolling, teeth grinding, twitching, teeth licking, bunny nose) with compulsive behaviour. Hospitalized April 2020, put on Respiridone 0.125 upped to 0.25 for 2 weeks. Quit April 29 after tapering to 0.125 mg for 3 days. Continued to be misdiagnosed as psychiatric and put on 2.5 Olanzapine April 14, 2020, upped to 5 mg and 150 Zoloft (!!!) July 2020. Diagnosed as having post-infectious Functional Neurological Disorder with a CSF leak in my brain and advised to taper off meds by neurologist. Tapered Zoloft until August 10 to 0, no side effects. Tapered 5mg Olanzapine July 31, 2020 to 0.75 August 21, 2020. September 1 reached 0.61mg but had diarrhea and nighttime awakenings in a half-asleep state with body sweats and some involuntary movements. Quit Zyprexa completely September 3, 2020. Sweating, muscle pain, broken sleep, itching and diarrhea for a week, seemingly improving now on September 13, 2020. Taking Lion's Mane Mushroom 1000mg, 200mg magnesium, 500mg Vitamin C/D, 550mg Turmeric daily.

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Hakn

I have read medicenes lose effectiveness after some time. So i have some olanzapine pebbles left in open for some time. They lost some colour. Assuming it interacts with air and oxidises, would that decrease the potency of it? Which would benefit when reinstating? Or some random effect happens then its a bad idea.

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Hakn

I realised that wasnt a good idea but cant delete post.

During taper i couldnt sleep 2 occasions so i took some more  which kindled me. Since then when im about to sleep my inner voice takes off by itself.  I guess It is subsiding. What to do after kindling?

I reduced lexapro to 5 i think its detreminental to healing. How likeliy Is anhedonia caused by lexapro?

 

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Hakn

I got blood test i have high cholestrol at 23. I think this drug makes brain insulin resistance. I looked at reinstatement at forum, people generally reinstate cause of sleep. Should i reinstate cause of anhedonia? Can someone answer? 

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Aember

Neuroleptics can provoke anhedonia as they block dopamine and serotonin receptors so it is probably not wise to reinstate for such a ptoblem.


Rabavert rabies vaccine February 2020, 2 doses. Seroquel 25 mg end of March 2020, immediately had some involuntary movement. Switched to Trazodone and had an Akathesia episode and involuntary movement, was up for 24 hours pacing. The next week was put on Citalopram 10mg, immediately got dyskinesia (pill rolling, teeth grinding, twitching, teeth licking, bunny nose) with compulsive behaviour. Hospitalized April 2020, put on Respiridone 0.125 upped to 0.25 for 2 weeks. Quit April 29 after tapering to 0.125 mg for 3 days. Continued to be misdiagnosed as psychiatric and put on 2.5 Olanzapine April 14, 2020, upped to 5 mg and 150 Zoloft (!!!) July 2020. Diagnosed as having post-infectious Functional Neurological Disorder with a CSF leak in my brain and advised to taper off meds by neurologist. Tapered Zoloft until August 10 to 0, no side effects. Tapered 5mg Olanzapine July 31, 2020 to 0.75 August 21, 2020. September 1 reached 0.61mg but had diarrhea and nighttime awakenings in a half-asleep state with body sweats and some involuntary movements. Quit Zyprexa completely September 3, 2020. Sweating, muscle pain, broken sleep, itching and diarrhea for a week, seemingly improving now on September 13, 2020. Taking Lion's Mane Mushroom 1000mg, 200mg magnesium, 500mg Vitamin C/D, 550mg Turmeric daily.

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Hakn

I thought more of going back to a similar state. I read some serotonin receptors inhibit dopamine also. Actually i think less than 0.5 goes to serotonin receptors possibly making sleep worse.

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Hakn

Im dissolving 5 mg lexapro in 10cc water. up until now i didnt notice that much. Maybe head pressure/heat. But will stop at 3cc so 1.5 mg. Splitting the dose. Actually it seems taking the drug awakens the withdrawal. Is lack of motivation lexapro or zyprexa withdrawal?

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Erell

Hello Hakn

 

Could you please create your signature ?

This will help to see all your history at a glance.

Here is a direct link to your signature : 

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/settings/signature/

 

Include drugs, doses, dates, and discontinuations & reinstatements. Also include supplements.

 

Take care ☀️


2006 : 20mg Paroxetine + Bromazepam(no specific dose) 

2008 : cold turkey of both

2010 : 20mg Deroxat + Bromazepam

2013: Switch from Bromazepam To Prazepam (long half-life)

2014-June2017 : Prazepam taper, 3% drops. 

2018 to August 2019 : Paroxetine 20mg taper (3% every 15 days).

- 22nd August updosed To 10mg (was at 8.4mg) because of a big wave. 

25th Sept 2019 To April 2020 : found SA, holding at 10mg Paroxetine. 

 

April 2020-August 2020 : Paxil to Prozac bridge. Details https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/21457-erell-struggling-with-paroxetine/?do=findComment&comment=499847

 

Current Supplements : magnesium citrate/ fish oil/ evening primrose oil 

 

Current medication :

7mg Fluoxetine + toothpick Paroxetine (since 20 Aug 2020)

1mg Diazepam (since 29 Aug 2020)

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Hakn

Yes i was gonna do that but kept procastinading it. Essentially kept reducing zyprexa after one wave then window/hypomania each night and it got stronger until i cut then it subsided but im not back to normal. Then i cut 10 mg lexapro to 1.5 without much effect. I think of taking zyprexa dust to see effect, thinking that for 15 days. 15 day ago taking dust did made me feel bad at first but next day maybe i was better. 

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Hakn

Some lexapro spilled on my hand and it caused a little rash so i might be allergic to it. I guees i wont take it since im at .25 mg. But my tinnitus increased at the end of taper and wihdrawal might make it worse. Any ideas?

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Hakn

Drug allergy lexapro question

 

Some lexapro spilled on my hand and it caused a little rash so i might be allergic to it. I guees i wont take it since im at .25 mg. But my tinnitus increased at the end of taper and wihdrawal might make it worse. Funny if i had never come here and ct ed i could be better. What else to do against allergy? Any ideas?

 

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