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Robert99: trying to get off of paxil, on 20 years, at 5mgs now


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I have been on Paxil close to 20 years now mostly at 20mgs, I believe at one point as high as 40mgs. I tried a few times to get off over the years but side effects were too much. Around 5 years ago starting scaling dose. I originally went on because I was having major issues giving speeches in front of the class at college. I would completely freeze. After college I stayed on because I liked that they made me calmer and I wasn't over thinking things so much and thinking about all the ways things could go wrong.

 

Five years ago I started having panic attacks out of nowhere. Having never experienced before I was in denial for a good 8 months about what was going on. Since then a few times a year will go through these bouts of panic and severe anxiety. I had to cut out all stimulants / caffeine as they are a major trigger.

Not sure if there is a correlation between scaling down and panic attacks. 

 

This last time I was down to less then 2.5mgs (around 1.5mgs) per day. I was cutting a 10mgs pill in 1/4s and then just snapping off a piece of that daily. 

In November 2020 the panic attacks came back with the bad anxiety. I went back to 2.5mgs first, and was still experiencing so over last few weeks went back up to 5mgs. 

Its hard to see how I can ever get off of this and live a normal life (how I feel right now). 

 

Would love some feedback on how to get off of these for good. 

2001 - 2016: 20mgs paxil (tried to get off a few times cold turkey and always gave up because of symptoms before I was educated on WD and even knew what was going on)

2016 - 2018 decreased to 5mgs (panic attacks start, was in denial about what was going on and finally educated myself on withdrawal and figured out what was going on)

2018 - 2021 5mgs tried a few times to scale down, I had gotten to around 1.5mgs in November 2020 but had to increase back up due to panic attacks (1.5mgs was not measured, was taking a 10mgs cutting it into 4's and then breaking off a piece, luckily found this group and found out about tapering the right measured way)

 

Jan-21 Got the liquid paxil, tapered down to 2mgs (one syringe full, liquid paxil) and trying to stabilize here. Some days are better then others. 

Nov-21 Increased back up to 5mgs due to being hospitalized with Covid

Apr-22 Tapered back down to 2.6mgs, continuing to taper as my body will handle it, supplement regimen helping tapering WD symptoms drastically

 

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Hi Robert-- welcome to SA, I'm so glad your found us. I'm sorry to hear that you are having trouble getting off of Paxil. It can be done, we have many members who have. It is however, one of the hardest ones to get off of, causing a lot of problems especially at the lower doses.

 

If your latest updoes to 5mg seems to be working then I would stay there for a while and let things settle out and stabilize. Having made several large changes in the past several months you will need to let things stabilize for a while before attempting any further reductions.

 

Paxil is very sensitive to changes in dosage at the lower levels, so it is very important to be accurate in your measuring and take things slow and easy. Getting a prescription for the liquid is an excellent way to go, it will make the small changes necessary much more easy to make. Our recommended starting point for reductions is 10% every four weeks. This seems to work well for many people, but things can be adjusted from there as required. We have been having great success with a method called the Brassmonkey Slide. It is designed to allow a 10% taper but done in such a way as to keep the symptoms at a minimum. I highly recommend it.  It will be a little while before you can start to taper again so we can get into details later.

 

For right now, have a look around the sight, get overloaded with information and ask a lot of questions.

 

BTW thankyou for filling in a signature block, it really helps us see what is happening at a glance. Also this thread is the best place to ask questions about your personal situation. We try not to give advise via PM so we can keep all the information in one place so any of the mods can help at any given time and you will have a complete record of things.

 

Again,  welcome to the group.

20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013.

Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mgpw it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks.  The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better.

Final Dose 0.016mg.     Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017

 

"It's also important not to become angry, no matter how difficult life is, because you can loose all hope if you can't laugh at yourself and at life in general."  Stephen Hawking

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I have a dr appointment tomorrow to get the liquid. Im thinking about going back to 2.5mgs tomorrow and try to stabilize there. How long do I need to stabilize before I can think about starting to scale down? A month? 

2001 - 2016: 20mgs paxil (tried to get off a few times cold turkey and always gave up because of symptoms before I was educated on WD and even knew what was going on)

2016 - 2018 decreased to 5mgs (panic attacks start, was in denial about what was going on and finally educated myself on withdrawal and figured out what was going on)

2018 - 2021 5mgs tried a few times to scale down, I had gotten to around 1.5mgs in November 2020 but had to increase back up due to panic attacks (1.5mgs was not measured, was taking a 10mgs cutting it into 4's and then breaking off a piece, luckily found this group and found out about tapering the right measured way)

 

Jan-21 Got the liquid paxil, tapered down to 2mgs (one syringe full, liquid paxil) and trying to stabilize here. Some days are better then others. 

Nov-21 Increased back up to 5mgs due to being hospitalized with Covid

Apr-22 Tapered back down to 2.6mgs, continuing to taper as my body will handle it, supplement regimen helping tapering WD symptoms drastically

 

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Hello, Robert. You'll have to see how it goes. If you've had severe withdrawal symptoms, it may take several months or more for your nervous system to settle down.

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22 hours ago, Robert99 said:

How long do I need to stabilize before I can think about starting to scale down?

 

No one can really say how long it will take to stabilize. 

When I stopped my taper after crashing back in 2015 I started feeling better about the 6 month mark.

However I waited until the 9 month mark to begin re tapering.

Depending on how much stress you have in your daily life to begin with and other independent factors how much time you need.

 Starting ds 2 (12.5 CR'S) = 25 MG PAXIL CR 1/21/15: 1 Pill + 10mg liquid (2 weeks) 2/4: 1 Pill + 9mg Lq (3 weeks) 2/25: 1 Pill + 8 mg lq (1 week) 3/4: 1 Pill + 6 mg lq (2 weeks) 3/18/15 1 Pill + 4 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/1/15 1 Pill + 3 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/14/15 1 Pill + 2 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/29/15 1Pill + 1 mg lq (16 days) 5/15/15 1 12.5 mg Pill ONLY (9 days) 5/24/15 12 mgs liquid (8 days) 6/1/15 11mg lq (12 days) 6/13/15 10 mg.  12/3/15 Drop from 8mg to 7.6 (24 days to) 12/27/15 7.2mgs 8/4/16 6.8mgs,  11/1/16 6.4mgs, 2/5/17 6 mgs  4/3/17 5.6mgs, 4/24/17 5.2mg, 6/13/17 4.8mgs, 9/20/17 4.4mgS, 11/23/17 4 mgs, 1/1/18 3.6 mgs, 2/15/18 3.2 mgs. 4/13/18 2.8mgs, 5/11/18 2.4mgs, 6/10/18 2.0 mgs, 8/4/18 1.6mgs,  9/27/18 1.2mgs, 12/24/18 0.8mg, 3/24/19 0.64 mg,(syringe change issue date?) 4/22/19 0.60 mg, 5/24/19 0.60 mg, 7/7/19 0.52 mgs, 8/4/19 0.44mgs, 11/4/19 0.36mgs, 2/1/20 0.28mgs, 3/1/20 0.24mgs (crash April 6) Compound started 6/28/21: 0.24mgs, 8/29/21: 0.22mgs, 10/31/21: 0.20mgs, 1/03/22: 0.18mgs, 3/5/22: 0.16mgs, 5/5/22: 0.14mgs.

 

Original Wellbutrin Dose: 6 months from 9/14 to 3/2015, 300 XL 3/15/15: Half to 150 XL ( severe symptoms started on day 12) 4/16/15: 125mg   for 20 days to: 5/6/15:   100mg  for  15 days to: 5/21/15    75mg  for  10 days to: 6/1/15:  56.25mg      13 days to: 6/13/15: 37.25mg    7 days to: 6/20/15  28.12mg   14 days to: 7/4/15  18.75mg, 7 days to: 7/11/15; RAISE BACK TO: 28.12 to 8/14/15: 18.75mg  20 days to :9/3/15 : 12.5mg, 8/4/16 9mg 1/9/17: 8.5mg 2/8/17 8mg, 3/9/17: 7.6  4/9/17  7.2  5/27/17 6.4 6/24/17 5.8, 8/1/17 5.0, 8/29/17 4.2mgs, 10/2/17 3.5mgs, 12/28/17 2.5mgs, 2/27/18 1.7mgs,  4/19/18 0.8 mgs, LAST DOSE: 6/11/18:  3 YEARS, 2 MONTHS, 27 DAYS...

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Hey guys, thanks for your responses. I did get prescription for the liquid paxil today. 

Are there any supplements you recommend for WD? Magnesium and fish oil seem to help a little. Anything else that works?

Hoping I can stabilize at 2.5mgs and then try to start scaling in a few months. Crazy how long it takes to normalize in your brain on this stuff. Cursing the day I got on it!

 

Wanted to also mention a book I just finished. Loving What Is by Byron Katie. 'The Work' really helps me question my stories and thought patterns that get crazy with WD. Been huge when having panic episodes. 

2001 - 2016: 20mgs paxil (tried to get off a few times cold turkey and always gave up because of symptoms before I was educated on WD and even knew what was going on)

2016 - 2018 decreased to 5mgs (panic attacks start, was in denial about what was going on and finally educated myself on withdrawal and figured out what was going on)

2018 - 2021 5mgs tried a few times to scale down, I had gotten to around 1.5mgs in November 2020 but had to increase back up due to panic attacks (1.5mgs was not measured, was taking a 10mgs cutting it into 4's and then breaking off a piece, luckily found this group and found out about tapering the right measured way)

 

Jan-21 Got the liquid paxil, tapered down to 2mgs (one syringe full, liquid paxil) and trying to stabilize here. Some days are better then others. 

Nov-21 Increased back up to 5mgs due to being hospitalized with Covid

Apr-22 Tapered back down to 2.6mgs, continuing to taper as my body will handle it, supplement regimen helping tapering WD symptoms drastically

 

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how do you plan on taking it?

the entire daily dose same time every day or splitting the dose in half every 12 hours?

 

 

 Starting ds 2 (12.5 CR'S) = 25 MG PAXIL CR 1/21/15: 1 Pill + 10mg liquid (2 weeks) 2/4: 1 Pill + 9mg Lq (3 weeks) 2/25: 1 Pill + 8 mg lq (1 week) 3/4: 1 Pill + 6 mg lq (2 weeks) 3/18/15 1 Pill + 4 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/1/15 1 Pill + 3 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/14/15 1 Pill + 2 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/29/15 1Pill + 1 mg lq (16 days) 5/15/15 1 12.5 mg Pill ONLY (9 days) 5/24/15 12 mgs liquid (8 days) 6/1/15 11mg lq (12 days) 6/13/15 10 mg.  12/3/15 Drop from 8mg to 7.6 (24 days to) 12/27/15 7.2mgs 8/4/16 6.8mgs,  11/1/16 6.4mgs, 2/5/17 6 mgs  4/3/17 5.6mgs, 4/24/17 5.2mg, 6/13/17 4.8mgs, 9/20/17 4.4mgS, 11/23/17 4 mgs, 1/1/18 3.6 mgs, 2/15/18 3.2 mgs. 4/13/18 2.8mgs, 5/11/18 2.4mgs, 6/10/18 2.0 mgs, 8/4/18 1.6mgs,  9/27/18 1.2mgs, 12/24/18 0.8mg, 3/24/19 0.64 mg,(syringe change issue date?) 4/22/19 0.60 mg, 5/24/19 0.60 mg, 7/7/19 0.52 mgs, 8/4/19 0.44mgs, 11/4/19 0.36mgs, 2/1/20 0.28mgs, 3/1/20 0.24mgs (crash April 6) Compound started 6/28/21: 0.24mgs, 8/29/21: 0.22mgs, 10/31/21: 0.20mgs, 1/03/22: 0.18mgs, 3/5/22: 0.16mgs, 5/5/22: 0.14mgs.

 

Original Wellbutrin Dose: 6 months from 9/14 to 3/2015, 300 XL 3/15/15: Half to 150 XL ( severe symptoms started on day 12) 4/16/15: 125mg   for 20 days to: 5/6/15:   100mg  for  15 days to: 5/21/15    75mg  for  10 days to: 6/1/15:  56.25mg      13 days to: 6/13/15: 37.25mg    7 days to: 6/20/15  28.12mg   14 days to: 7/4/15  18.75mg, 7 days to: 7/11/15; RAISE BACK TO: 28.12 to 8/14/15: 18.75mg  20 days to :9/3/15 : 12.5mg, 8/4/16 9mg 1/9/17: 8.5mg 2/8/17 8mg, 3/9/17: 7.6  4/9/17  7.2  5/27/17 6.4 6/24/17 5.8, 8/1/17 5.0, 8/29/17 4.2mgs, 10/2/17 3.5mgs, 12/28/17 2.5mgs, 2/27/18 1.7mgs,  4/19/18 0.8 mgs, LAST DOSE: 6/11/18:  3 YEARS, 2 MONTHS, 27 DAYS...

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I have always just taken it and its not time release. So plan to just take it once a day. Do you think I wouldn't have as many WD if I did split it up?

2001 - 2016: 20mgs paxil (tried to get off a few times cold turkey and always gave up because of symptoms before I was educated on WD and even knew what was going on)

2016 - 2018 decreased to 5mgs (panic attacks start, was in denial about what was going on and finally educated myself on withdrawal and figured out what was going on)

2018 - 2021 5mgs tried a few times to scale down, I had gotten to around 1.5mgs in November 2020 but had to increase back up due to panic attacks (1.5mgs was not measured, was taking a 10mgs cutting it into 4's and then breaking off a piece, luckily found this group and found out about tapering the right measured way)

 

Jan-21 Got the liquid paxil, tapered down to 2mgs (one syringe full, liquid paxil) and trying to stabilize here. Some days are better then others. 

Nov-21 Increased back up to 5mgs due to being hospitalized with Covid

Apr-22 Tapered back down to 2.6mgs, continuing to taper as my body will handle it, supplement regimen helping tapering WD symptoms drastically

 

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You're currently taking 5mg, correct?

 

On 1/18/2021 at 7:30 PM, Robert99 said:

In November 2020 the panic attacks came back with the bad anxiety. I went back to 2.5mgs first, and was still experiencing so over last few weeks went back up to 5mgs. 

 

On 1/19/2021 at 1:01 PM, brassmonkey said:

If your latest updoes to 5mg seems to be working then I would stay there for a while and let things settle out and stabilize. Having made several large changes in the past several months you will need to let things stabilize for a while before attempting any further reductions.

 

 

If you're feeling better on 5mg, why are you planning to reduce to 2.5mg so soon after getting severe withdrawal syndrome?

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13 hours ago, Robert99 said:

Do you think I wouldn't have as many WD if I did split it up?

 

Many times people do ok with remaining with how they had always taken it, but if you were changing from a controlled release to a regular pill that might have significant issues.  There is also something to be said that once a system is destabilized, the regular routine of once a day may give a yo yo effect.

The key will be to stabilizing on a dose long enough to know if you just went down too fast or not. 

 

Since your signature line doesn't have a more in depth description of how long you were at what dose and considering you really aren't sure what dosages you were taking it hard to say what is a good dose to attempt to stabilize on but it seems your reporting your last "stable" dose was 2.5mg.

 

Regardless of what dose you choose you will need to give it some time to stabilize.

 Starting ds 2 (12.5 CR'S) = 25 MG PAXIL CR 1/21/15: 1 Pill + 10mg liquid (2 weeks) 2/4: 1 Pill + 9mg Lq (3 weeks) 2/25: 1 Pill + 8 mg lq (1 week) 3/4: 1 Pill + 6 mg lq (2 weeks) 3/18/15 1 Pill + 4 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/1/15 1 Pill + 3 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/14/15 1 Pill + 2 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/29/15 1Pill + 1 mg lq (16 days) 5/15/15 1 12.5 mg Pill ONLY (9 days) 5/24/15 12 mgs liquid (8 days) 6/1/15 11mg lq (12 days) 6/13/15 10 mg.  12/3/15 Drop from 8mg to 7.6 (24 days to) 12/27/15 7.2mgs 8/4/16 6.8mgs,  11/1/16 6.4mgs, 2/5/17 6 mgs  4/3/17 5.6mgs, 4/24/17 5.2mg, 6/13/17 4.8mgs, 9/20/17 4.4mgS, 11/23/17 4 mgs, 1/1/18 3.6 mgs, 2/15/18 3.2 mgs. 4/13/18 2.8mgs, 5/11/18 2.4mgs, 6/10/18 2.0 mgs, 8/4/18 1.6mgs,  9/27/18 1.2mgs, 12/24/18 0.8mg, 3/24/19 0.64 mg,(syringe change issue date?) 4/22/19 0.60 mg, 5/24/19 0.60 mg, 7/7/19 0.52 mgs, 8/4/19 0.44mgs, 11/4/19 0.36mgs, 2/1/20 0.28mgs, 3/1/20 0.24mgs (crash April 6) Compound started 6/28/21: 0.24mgs, 8/29/21: 0.22mgs, 10/31/21: 0.20mgs, 1/03/22: 0.18mgs, 3/5/22: 0.16mgs, 5/5/22: 0.14mgs.

 

Original Wellbutrin Dose: 6 months from 9/14 to 3/2015, 300 XL 3/15/15: Half to 150 XL ( severe symptoms started on day 12) 4/16/15: 125mg   for 20 days to: 5/6/15:   100mg  for  15 days to: 5/21/15    75mg  for  10 days to: 6/1/15:  56.25mg      13 days to: 6/13/15: 37.25mg    7 days to: 6/20/15  28.12mg   14 days to: 7/4/15  18.75mg, 7 days to: 7/11/15; RAISE BACK TO: 28.12 to 8/14/15: 18.75mg  20 days to :9/3/15 : 12.5mg, 8/4/16 9mg 1/9/17: 8.5mg 2/8/17 8mg, 3/9/17: 7.6  4/9/17  7.2  5/27/17 6.4 6/24/17 5.8, 8/1/17 5.0, 8/29/17 4.2mgs, 10/2/17 3.5mgs, 12/28/17 2.5mgs, 2/27/18 1.7mgs,  4/19/18 0.8 mgs, LAST DOSE: 6/11/18:  3 YEARS, 2 MONTHS, 27 DAYS...

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Trying 2.5mg, first day. Hoping to stabilize here. If not will go up to 5mgs. I think I can handle this where I am at. Only time will tell I guess. 

 

2001 - 2016: 20mgs paxil (tried to get off a few times cold turkey and always gave up because of symptoms before I was educated on WD and even knew what was going on)

2016 - 2018 decreased to 5mgs (panic attacks start, was in denial about what was going on and finally educated myself on withdrawal and figured out what was going on)

2018 - 2021 5mgs tried a few times to scale down, I had gotten to around 1.5mgs in November 2020 but had to increase back up due to panic attacks (1.5mgs was not measured, was taking a 10mgs cutting it into 4's and then breaking off a piece, luckily found this group and found out about tapering the right measured way)

 

Jan-21 Got the liquid paxil, tapered down to 2mgs (one syringe full, liquid paxil) and trying to stabilize here. Some days are better then others. 

Nov-21 Increased back up to 5mgs due to being hospitalized with Covid

Apr-22 Tapered back down to 2.6mgs, continuing to taper as my body will handle it, supplement regimen helping tapering WD symptoms drastically

 

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Do you have an idea of what "stabilizing" would mean for you?

Just remember, there's a big gap between 2.5 and 5mg.

You can pick something in between.

Without knowing how long you were on the 5mgs it's harder to be of any greater help, sorry.

Hopefully You can settle at this dose.

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 Starting ds 2 (12.5 CR'S) = 25 MG PAXIL CR 1/21/15: 1 Pill + 10mg liquid (2 weeks) 2/4: 1 Pill + 9mg Lq (3 weeks) 2/25: 1 Pill + 8 mg lq (1 week) 3/4: 1 Pill + 6 mg lq (2 weeks) 3/18/15 1 Pill + 4 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/1/15 1 Pill + 3 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/14/15 1 Pill + 2 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/29/15 1Pill + 1 mg lq (16 days) 5/15/15 1 12.5 mg Pill ONLY (9 days) 5/24/15 12 mgs liquid (8 days) 6/1/15 11mg lq (12 days) 6/13/15 10 mg.  12/3/15 Drop from 8mg to 7.6 (24 days to) 12/27/15 7.2mgs 8/4/16 6.8mgs,  11/1/16 6.4mgs, 2/5/17 6 mgs  4/3/17 5.6mgs, 4/24/17 5.2mg, 6/13/17 4.8mgs, 9/20/17 4.4mgS, 11/23/17 4 mgs, 1/1/18 3.6 mgs, 2/15/18 3.2 mgs. 4/13/18 2.8mgs, 5/11/18 2.4mgs, 6/10/18 2.0 mgs, 8/4/18 1.6mgs,  9/27/18 1.2mgs, 12/24/18 0.8mg, 3/24/19 0.64 mg,(syringe change issue date?) 4/22/19 0.60 mg, 5/24/19 0.60 mg, 7/7/19 0.52 mgs, 8/4/19 0.44mgs, 11/4/19 0.36mgs, 2/1/20 0.28mgs, 3/1/20 0.24mgs (crash April 6) Compound started 6/28/21: 0.24mgs, 8/29/21: 0.22mgs, 10/31/21: 0.20mgs, 1/03/22: 0.18mgs, 3/5/22: 0.16mgs, 5/5/22: 0.14mgs.

 

Original Wellbutrin Dose: 6 months from 9/14 to 3/2015, 300 XL 3/15/15: Half to 150 XL ( severe symptoms started on day 12) 4/16/15: 125mg   for 20 days to: 5/6/15:   100mg  for  15 days to: 5/21/15    75mg  for  10 days to: 6/1/15:  56.25mg      13 days to: 6/13/15: 37.25mg    7 days to: 6/20/15  28.12mg   14 days to: 7/4/15  18.75mg, 7 days to: 7/11/15; RAISE BACK TO: 28.12 to 8/14/15: 18.75mg  20 days to :9/3/15 : 12.5mg, 8/4/16 9mg 1/9/17: 8.5mg 2/8/17 8mg, 3/9/17: 7.6  4/9/17  7.2  5/27/17 6.4 6/24/17 5.8, 8/1/17 5.0, 8/29/17 4.2mgs, 10/2/17 3.5mgs, 12/28/17 2.5mgs, 2/27/18 1.7mgs,  4/19/18 0.8 mgs, LAST DOSE: 6/11/18:  3 YEARS, 2 MONTHS, 27 DAYS...

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I was only on the 5mgs for around 10 days. I was on less then 2.5mgs for around 6 - 8 months. I really didn't know anything about tapering or that it was even the reason I was having all these symptoms before I found this site. So glad I did. Gives me huge peace of mind to be able to know what it is and put together a plan.

 

2001 - 2016: 20mgs paxil (tried to get off a few times cold turkey and always gave up because of symptoms before I was educated on WD and even knew what was going on)

2016 - 2018 decreased to 5mgs (panic attacks start, was in denial about what was going on and finally educated myself on withdrawal and figured out what was going on)

2018 - 2021 5mgs tried a few times to scale down, I had gotten to around 1.5mgs in November 2020 but had to increase back up due to panic attacks (1.5mgs was not measured, was taking a 10mgs cutting it into 4's and then breaking off a piece, luckily found this group and found out about tapering the right measured way)

 

Jan-21 Got the liquid paxil, tapered down to 2mgs (one syringe full, liquid paxil) and trying to stabilize here. Some days are better then others. 

Nov-21 Increased back up to 5mgs due to being hospitalized with Covid

Apr-22 Tapered back down to 2.6mgs, continuing to taper as my body will handle it, supplement regimen helping tapering WD symptoms drastically

 

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If it was only 10 days than I would guess it wasn't the 5mgs that was making you feel better per se.

If you were on the 2.5 for that long, (or attempting to take as close to that as possible) that seems like a good plan.

It was probably trying to drop that 50% down to the 1.25 that caused the trouble.

 

I had a huge issue in April dropping about 33% from about 0.36mg to 0.24mg that destabilized Me, so the 50% drop was probably it.

Glad you were able to get the liquid so fast!

 

 

 Starting ds 2 (12.5 CR'S) = 25 MG PAXIL CR 1/21/15: 1 Pill + 10mg liquid (2 weeks) 2/4: 1 Pill + 9mg Lq (3 weeks) 2/25: 1 Pill + 8 mg lq (1 week) 3/4: 1 Pill + 6 mg lq (2 weeks) 3/18/15 1 Pill + 4 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/1/15 1 Pill + 3 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/14/15 1 Pill + 2 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/29/15 1Pill + 1 mg lq (16 days) 5/15/15 1 12.5 mg Pill ONLY (9 days) 5/24/15 12 mgs liquid (8 days) 6/1/15 11mg lq (12 days) 6/13/15 10 mg.  12/3/15 Drop from 8mg to 7.6 (24 days to) 12/27/15 7.2mgs 8/4/16 6.8mgs,  11/1/16 6.4mgs, 2/5/17 6 mgs  4/3/17 5.6mgs, 4/24/17 5.2mg, 6/13/17 4.8mgs, 9/20/17 4.4mgS, 11/23/17 4 mgs, 1/1/18 3.6 mgs, 2/15/18 3.2 mgs. 4/13/18 2.8mgs, 5/11/18 2.4mgs, 6/10/18 2.0 mgs, 8/4/18 1.6mgs,  9/27/18 1.2mgs, 12/24/18 0.8mg, 3/24/19 0.64 mg,(syringe change issue date?) 4/22/19 0.60 mg, 5/24/19 0.60 mg, 7/7/19 0.52 mgs, 8/4/19 0.44mgs, 11/4/19 0.36mgs, 2/1/20 0.28mgs, 3/1/20 0.24mgs (crash April 6) Compound started 6/28/21: 0.24mgs, 8/29/21: 0.22mgs, 10/31/21: 0.20mgs, 1/03/22: 0.18mgs, 3/5/22: 0.16mgs, 5/5/22: 0.14mgs.

 

Original Wellbutrin Dose: 6 months from 9/14 to 3/2015, 300 XL 3/15/15: Half to 150 XL ( severe symptoms started on day 12) 4/16/15: 125mg   for 20 days to: 5/6/15:   100mg  for  15 days to: 5/21/15    75mg  for  10 days to: 6/1/15:  56.25mg      13 days to: 6/13/15: 37.25mg    7 days to: 6/20/15  28.12mg   14 days to: 7/4/15  18.75mg, 7 days to: 7/11/15; RAISE BACK TO: 28.12 to 8/14/15: 18.75mg  20 days to :9/3/15 : 12.5mg, 8/4/16 9mg 1/9/17: 8.5mg 2/8/17 8mg, 3/9/17: 7.6  4/9/17  7.2  5/27/17 6.4 6/24/17 5.8, 8/1/17 5.0, 8/29/17 4.2mgs, 10/2/17 3.5mgs, 12/28/17 2.5mgs, 2/27/18 1.7mgs,  4/19/18 0.8 mgs, LAST DOSE: 6/11/18:  3 YEARS, 2 MONTHS, 27 DAYS...

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Been on the liquid now since last week. Certainly easier to dose. Taking 2mgs, figure as long as I am having WD and not balanced might as well do that as it is one pull full on my syringe. Not balanced at all yet, ups and downs. Some days I feel really good and some days very anxious. I do feed like the DHA and Magnesium has been very helpful with symptoms. Will stay here and try to let my system calm and balance. Hoping it happens sooner then later. Exercise also really helping.

One of my symptoms is getting really cold and shaky. Also kind of feel like an internal tremor. Wonder if anyone else has experienced that. 

2001 - 2016: 20mgs paxil (tried to get off a few times cold turkey and always gave up because of symptoms before I was educated on WD and even knew what was going on)

2016 - 2018 decreased to 5mgs (panic attacks start, was in denial about what was going on and finally educated myself on withdrawal and figured out what was going on)

2018 - 2021 5mgs tried a few times to scale down, I had gotten to around 1.5mgs in November 2020 but had to increase back up due to panic attacks (1.5mgs was not measured, was taking a 10mgs cutting it into 4's and then breaking off a piece, luckily found this group and found out about tapering the right measured way)

 

Jan-21 Got the liquid paxil, tapered down to 2mgs (one syringe full, liquid paxil) and trying to stabilize here. Some days are better then others. 

Nov-21 Increased back up to 5mgs due to being hospitalized with Covid

Apr-22 Tapered back down to 2.6mgs, continuing to taper as my body will handle it, supplement regimen helping tapering WD symptoms drastically

 

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Yeah, I had some bad episodes in spring when I dropped 30% from 0.36mg to 0.24mgs.

Had some trouble keeping my jaw from shaking and keeping my mouth shut.

Like a loss of motor function, but it was the typical wave-window pattern so, it is what it is.

Temperature deregulation, etc.

Glad you got the liquid!

 Starting ds 2 (12.5 CR'S) = 25 MG PAXIL CR 1/21/15: 1 Pill + 10mg liquid (2 weeks) 2/4: 1 Pill + 9mg Lq (3 weeks) 2/25: 1 Pill + 8 mg lq (1 week) 3/4: 1 Pill + 6 mg lq (2 weeks) 3/18/15 1 Pill + 4 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/1/15 1 Pill + 3 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/14/15 1 Pill + 2 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/29/15 1Pill + 1 mg lq (16 days) 5/15/15 1 12.5 mg Pill ONLY (9 days) 5/24/15 12 mgs liquid (8 days) 6/1/15 11mg lq (12 days) 6/13/15 10 mg.  12/3/15 Drop from 8mg to 7.6 (24 days to) 12/27/15 7.2mgs 8/4/16 6.8mgs,  11/1/16 6.4mgs, 2/5/17 6 mgs  4/3/17 5.6mgs, 4/24/17 5.2mg, 6/13/17 4.8mgs, 9/20/17 4.4mgS, 11/23/17 4 mgs, 1/1/18 3.6 mgs, 2/15/18 3.2 mgs. 4/13/18 2.8mgs, 5/11/18 2.4mgs, 6/10/18 2.0 mgs, 8/4/18 1.6mgs,  9/27/18 1.2mgs, 12/24/18 0.8mg, 3/24/19 0.64 mg,(syringe change issue date?) 4/22/19 0.60 mg, 5/24/19 0.60 mg, 7/7/19 0.52 mgs, 8/4/19 0.44mgs, 11/4/19 0.36mgs, 2/1/20 0.28mgs, 3/1/20 0.24mgs (crash April 6) Compound started 6/28/21: 0.24mgs, 8/29/21: 0.22mgs, 10/31/21: 0.20mgs, 1/03/22: 0.18mgs, 3/5/22: 0.16mgs, 5/5/22: 0.14mgs.

 

Original Wellbutrin Dose: 6 months from 9/14 to 3/2015, 300 XL 3/15/15: Half to 150 XL ( severe symptoms started on day 12) 4/16/15: 125mg   for 20 days to: 5/6/15:   100mg  for  15 days to: 5/21/15    75mg  for  10 days to: 6/1/15:  56.25mg      13 days to: 6/13/15: 37.25mg    7 days to: 6/20/15  28.12mg   14 days to: 7/4/15  18.75mg, 7 days to: 7/11/15; RAISE BACK TO: 28.12 to 8/14/15: 18.75mg  20 days to :9/3/15 : 12.5mg, 8/4/16 9mg 1/9/17: 8.5mg 2/8/17 8mg, 3/9/17: 7.6  4/9/17  7.2  5/27/17 6.4 6/24/17 5.8, 8/1/17 5.0, 8/29/17 4.2mgs, 10/2/17 3.5mgs, 12/28/17 2.5mgs, 2/27/18 1.7mgs,  4/19/18 0.8 mgs, LAST DOSE: 6/11/18:  3 YEARS, 2 MONTHS, 27 DAYS...

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Every time I feel like I am good and have balanced and leveled off I get a flare up of major anxiety. I have no patience for the long term nature of how to do this. Very frustrating for me. Can't wait to start tapering off this drug. 

 

2001 - 2016: 20mgs paxil (tried to get off a few times cold turkey and always gave up because of symptoms before I was educated on WD and even knew what was going on)

2016 - 2018 decreased to 5mgs (panic attacks start, was in denial about what was going on and finally educated myself on withdrawal and figured out what was going on)

2018 - 2021 5mgs tried a few times to scale down, I had gotten to around 1.5mgs in November 2020 but had to increase back up due to panic attacks (1.5mgs was not measured, was taking a 10mgs cutting it into 4's and then breaking off a piece, luckily found this group and found out about tapering the right measured way)

 

Jan-21 Got the liquid paxil, tapered down to 2mgs (one syringe full, liquid paxil) and trying to stabilize here. Some days are better then others. 

Nov-21 Increased back up to 5mgs due to being hospitalized with Covid

Apr-22 Tapered back down to 2.6mgs, continuing to taper as my body will handle it, supplement regimen helping tapering WD symptoms drastically

 

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I just finished reading through your thread. Since November it has shown numerous large changes in dose with very little recovery time between changes. All these changes are very confusing to your body making it very hard for it to actually stabilize. The symptoms you are feeling are quite normal for this situation.  One thing that many members fail to comprehend is just how long this process takes. Once a person is destabilized it takes many months for the body to settle down to a steady state in their symptoms. It is not going to happen in a few weeks, especially after a number of large dose changes. This is why we stress taking it slowly and in very small steps.

 

What is needed right now is consistency in your dosing and a lot of time for your body to sort things out and stabilize.  I would be looking at holding at your current dose (2.5mg) for at least three months before reevaluating and considering making a small reduction. It quite possibly will be longer. During that time your body will have a lot of swings in symptoms from bad to good and back to bad.  Over time they will settle down to a fairly even feeling of blah day in and day out, with not big swings in either direction. That is the stability we are looking for before continuing to taper.

20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013.

Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mgpw it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks.  The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better.

Final Dose 0.016mg.     Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017

 

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Thanks for that. Sometimes needed for grounding and reality. 

 

2001 - 2016: 20mgs paxil (tried to get off a few times cold turkey and always gave up because of symptoms before I was educated on WD and even knew what was going on)

2016 - 2018 decreased to 5mgs (panic attacks start, was in denial about what was going on and finally educated myself on withdrawal and figured out what was going on)

2018 - 2021 5mgs tried a few times to scale down, I had gotten to around 1.5mgs in November 2020 but had to increase back up due to panic attacks (1.5mgs was not measured, was taking a 10mgs cutting it into 4's and then breaking off a piece, luckily found this group and found out about tapering the right measured way)

 

Jan-21 Got the liquid paxil, tapered down to 2mgs (one syringe full, liquid paxil) and trying to stabilize here. Some days are better then others. 

Nov-21 Increased back up to 5mgs due to being hospitalized with Covid

Apr-22 Tapered back down to 2.6mgs, continuing to taper as my body will handle it, supplement regimen helping tapering WD symptoms drastically

 

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Just checking in. Still on 1ml = 2mgs. Still having these swings brought on by stress at work (I run several businesses). 
Really good days where I think that 'I finally got this' to days later feeling super anxious and everything feeling charged (bringing on panic attacks and no sleep). Actually so busy think I may have forgotten a dose or two in the morning which may have caused this last episode. 
This season in life is beyond busy. I am wrapping up several businesses and launching several more. I think this is causing a lot of the dysfunction and stress. 

I would love to start scaling down but honestly don't think I can right now with the major fluctuations. Going to hold and pray for better consistency in the good days. Hoping one day to be off this crap. 

2001 - 2016: 20mgs paxil (tried to get off a few times cold turkey and always gave up because of symptoms before I was educated on WD and even knew what was going on)

2016 - 2018 decreased to 5mgs (panic attacks start, was in denial about what was going on and finally educated myself on withdrawal and figured out what was going on)

2018 - 2021 5mgs tried a few times to scale down, I had gotten to around 1.5mgs in November 2020 but had to increase back up due to panic attacks (1.5mgs was not measured, was taking a 10mgs cutting it into 4's and then breaking off a piece, luckily found this group and found out about tapering the right measured way)

 

Jan-21 Got the liquid paxil, tapered down to 2mgs (one syringe full, liquid paxil) and trying to stabilize here. Some days are better then others. 

Nov-21 Increased back up to 5mgs due to being hospitalized with Covid

Apr-22 Tapered back down to 2.6mgs, continuing to taper as my body will handle it, supplement regimen helping tapering WD symptoms drastically

 

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Things have been very tough last two weeks. Last several days unbearable with anxiety / panic. This panic feeling is the worst. The panic handovers and increased sensitivity to everything. The last two days I doubled dose to 4mgs. Essentially starting the day at a regular dose and then because I feel so bad taking another dose. 

Really seems to help. Very frustrating as I feel like I am taking steps back. Now I don't know whether to try to hold at 2mgs or go back to 4 or 5mgs and stabilize there. With frame of mind and the things I have going on thinking it would ease my mind and make me feel a lot better.

I'm now considering possibly going to get a different drug that is potentially easier to get off of? Does this exist? Maybe lexapro? Does anyone have experience with this?

Any feedback is appreciated. 

2001 - 2016: 20mgs paxil (tried to get off a few times cold turkey and always gave up because of symptoms before I was educated on WD and even knew what was going on)

2016 - 2018 decreased to 5mgs (panic attacks start, was in denial about what was going on and finally educated myself on withdrawal and figured out what was going on)

2018 - 2021 5mgs tried a few times to scale down, I had gotten to around 1.5mgs in November 2020 but had to increase back up due to panic attacks (1.5mgs was not measured, was taking a 10mgs cutting it into 4's and then breaking off a piece, luckily found this group and found out about tapering the right measured way)

 

Jan-21 Got the liquid paxil, tapered down to 2mgs (one syringe full, liquid paxil) and trying to stabilize here. Some days are better then others. 

Nov-21 Increased back up to 5mgs due to being hospitalized with Covid

Apr-22 Tapered back down to 2.6mgs, continuing to taper as my body will handle it, supplement regimen helping tapering WD symptoms drastically

 

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Hi @Robert99

First off I would like to say good job on getting down to 2mg of Paxil. Being myself a former Paxil user I know how extremely hard going off of it is. 

7 hours ago, Robert99 said:

I'm now considering possibly going to get a different drug that is potentially easier to get off of? Does this exist? Maybe lexapro? Does anyone have experience with this?

There is an alternative, as I myself bridged with Fluoxetine which I am tapering off now How ever there is no guarantees that it will work for you as we react differently as individuals.

If I were you I would stick with extremely slow taper from now on off the Paxil 2mg  also because you have done such a great job reaching such a low dose.

 

I know this process is extremely frustrating and hard, and all we want is to get

off of these meds. Many times I too feel like I am taking steps back, but keep in mind that you are also having windows, which is an excellent indicator that progress is being made. We sometimes forget it, when all we want is just a little more relief.  
Are you using coping skills? I find meditation and noticing my breathing to help. There are so many things one can do to ease the symptoms, just need to find which one will benefit you.
 

On 6/4/2021 at 2:53 AM, Robert99 said:

Really good days where I think that 'I finally got this'

This is really positive.

You can do this, slow and steady will win the race. I would hold at 2 mg  Paxil for some time now.

All my best to you.

 

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Prescribed Paxil 20 mg year 2000 for panic attacks.

Many attempts through out the years to quit.

2019 tapered from 20 mg to 10 mg. Got stuck there, decided to bridge with Fluoxetine. 
2020 March off Fluoxetine 

2020 Oct- nov started deteriorating, followed by severe crash. 2021 Reinstated fluoxetine by small amount, until I reach 9 mg

Tapering 10% every 4-6 weeks and longer holds if necessary 

12/5 2021- 8.5 21/5 8.0 15/6 7.5 20/6 7.2 changed to liquid tapering 10/7  7.0  19/7 6.5 20/8 5.8 20/9 5.2 20/10 4.7

20/11 4.2 20/12 3.8 crashed 8/1 5mg. Stop taper for some time now.

 

11/07/22Currently at 15 mg fluoxetine, don’t know the date, approx have been on  for 6 weeks 

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As I continue my taper things are getting better. In a pretty significant window. Don't get me wrong there are symptoms with every drop but nothing like they used to be. I believe the key is faith, exercise and supplements (and fixing sleep has been a game changer). Feeling like I should be able to get to 1mg by the end of the year, or at lease that is my goal (at 2.6mgs right now). Its been an interesting journey. Wish I would have found this site and been educated way earlier.

 

NAC: 750mgs 2 x per day, DHA fish oil, Magnesium glycinate, Tudca, Citrus bergamot

Probiotics, Whole Food Multi, Extra natural source C, Extra D in winter, Inositol gram 2 x per day

 

Things that help with anxiety on the fly: L-Theanine: as needed, can help take the edge off when anxious, Calm drops for on the go

 

At night for sleep (these work synergistically for me, I’ve tried everything including prescription meds. I wear earplugs which also seem to help. Melatonin: .5mgs - 1mgs, Gaba: 250mgs (no grogginess if I can get sunlight and exercise right away in the mornings). 

 

Other supps: Natural testosterone booster, Greens blend, resveratrol, apple cider vin

 

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2001 - 2016: 20mgs paxil (tried to get off a few times cold turkey and always gave up because of symptoms before I was educated on WD and even knew what was going on)

2016 - 2018 decreased to 5mgs (panic attacks start, was in denial about what was going on and finally educated myself on withdrawal and figured out what was going on)

2018 - 2021 5mgs tried a few times to scale down, I had gotten to around 1.5mgs in November 2020 but had to increase back up due to panic attacks (1.5mgs was not measured, was taking a 10mgs cutting it into 4's and then breaking off a piece, luckily found this group and found out about tapering the right measured way)

 

Jan-21 Got the liquid paxil, tapered down to 2mgs (one syringe full, liquid paxil) and trying to stabilize here. Some days are better then others. 

Nov-21 Increased back up to 5mgs due to being hospitalized with Covid

Apr-22 Tapered back down to 2.6mgs, continuing to taper as my body will handle it, supplement regimen helping tapering WD symptoms drastically

 

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Considering ketamine as the glutamate response is really interesting to me for rebuilding the damage that has been done by Paxil. Also interested in nicotinamide iv's.

2001 - 2016: 20mgs paxil (tried to get off a few times cold turkey and always gave up because of symptoms before I was educated on WD and even knew what was going on)

2016 - 2018 decreased to 5mgs (panic attacks start, was in denial about what was going on and finally educated myself on withdrawal and figured out what was going on)

2018 - 2021 5mgs tried a few times to scale down, I had gotten to around 1.5mgs in November 2020 but had to increase back up due to panic attacks (1.5mgs was not measured, was taking a 10mgs cutting it into 4's and then breaking off a piece, luckily found this group and found out about tapering the right measured way)

 

Jan-21 Got the liquid paxil, tapered down to 2mgs (one syringe full, liquid paxil) and trying to stabilize here. Some days are better then others. 

Nov-21 Increased back up to 5mgs due to being hospitalized with Covid

Apr-22 Tapered back down to 2.6mgs, continuing to taper as my body will handle it, supplement regimen helping tapering WD symptoms drastically

 

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8 hours ago, Robert99 said:

Considering ketamine

 

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8 hours ago, Robert99 said:

Also interested in nicotinamide iv's.

 

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Niacin is part of an orthomolecular psychiatry approach to mental illness. I only know about oral doses, not IV, though I have never tried them. SA considers B vitamins activating so discourages their use in WD.

 

 

I recently underwent five Ketamine sessions at our public hospital. $40 each. 0.5mg/kg. They did not relieve depression / anxiety / sleeplessness for me but they seem to for others. Ketamine is a dissociative anaesthetic not a psychedelic. I would be far more inclined to try MDMA, psilocybin or LSD in a therapeutic setting with an experienced & intuitive guide. 

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