Mentor Greatful Posted August 12, 2021 Mentor Share Posted August 12, 2021 @Shellbell Thinking of you. How are you doing?❤️ https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/24894-greatful-is-this-withdrawal-or-to-many-med-changes-at-once/ 1995? Prozac, tried several Paxil, Serzone, St John's Wart back to Prozac and Trazodone ct:d Traz Lexapro. Tried to stop Crash in 2015 Kindled Hospitalized, Vybrid, Seroquel, Effexor, Abilify Pristiq, Wellbutrin-- 2016 ended back on Prozac and Lamictal 200mg 5/2020 thru 12/2020 taper from 20mg Prozac down to 3mg. Crashed 12/13/2020 Zoloft 50mg 1/29ct 1/29/2021 Seroquel 50mg ct 2/12/2021 Wellbutrin 75mg. Became hypo manic 2/1 6ct Trazodone 50mg 4/25 25mg 2/5/ 2021 Lamictal 150mg. 2/24 100mg 4/9 75mg 4/21 37.5 2/16/2021 Seroquel 50xr 3/3 100mg 3/17 150mg side effects ct 4/3 2021 Lexapro 5mg 4/14 7.5mg 4/30 10mg 5/10 7.5mg 2021/ 5/16 5mg Lexapro 37.5 Lamictal 25mg trazadone, xanax .0625mg 3x a day Lexapro Taper> Sept/01/2021 4.90mg> Sept/25 4.75mg> Oct/19 4.69mg > Nov/14 4.2mg Jan/30/2022-- Split dosing 2x a day All liquid 4.2mg (2.20mg at 8am & 2mg at 4pm) 2/17 4mg> 2/24 3.8mg slow taper to Aug/12/2022 2.04mg 2023> 2mg, 1.90mg, 1.80mg, 1.70mg, 1.5mg, 1.4mg, 1.3mg 1.2mg, 1.1mg, 1mg, 0.9mg, 0.8mg, 0.7mg 0.65mg, 0.6mg, 0.55mg, 0.5mg, 0.45mg, 0.4mg, 0.35mg, 0.3mg, 0.25,mg, back to once a day dosing 0 .1mg, 0.07mg , 0.05mg 4/1/2024 0 Lamictal taper 4/17/ 2022 25mg, 9/9/ 22 -20mg, 9/25/22- 15mg , 10/20/22- 0 Trazodone..2023.>down to 14mg, 7mg, 6mg July 2023 0 Xanax 0.0625 3 x a day, 2023> 0.042 3x a day Supplements Magnesium glycinate, Omega 3, D3, vitamin c , zinc, NAC Link to comment
Mia1 Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 @Shellbell I’m just checking in to see how you are doing ❤️ Completely drug free 11/26/22 🎉 Supplements: Magnesium citrate: 250 mg; Fish oil: 1200 mg “When we are no longer able to change a situation, we are challenged to change ourselves.” - Victor Frankl Link to comment
Shellbell Posted August 14, 2021 Author Share Posted August 14, 2021 @Mia1 thank you for checking on me. Still struggling. Right now I’m experiencing vision issues that are causing anxiety. Inner agitation and ruminating thoughts. Trying to get my thyroid meds fixed. So I’m praying that helps. But I just have this constant inner panic that is causing a lot of issues. I’m not able to control my thoughts and it’s making things worse. 5-28-20 given cymbalta. Had bad reaction. Stopped immediately. 6-20-20 stopped vicodin after 5 years. Suffered akathesia. 7-20-20 to 11-13-20 mirtazapine. On 7.5 tapered for 8 weeks jumped off at 1.5 11/20 to Feb 3. .25 klonopin, tapered 4 weeks. Jumped off at .0935 present - med free. Still suffering from akathesia, insomnia,depression and anxiety melatonin 1mg. Magnesium 400mg daily Vicodin one week. Stopped 12-5-21 temezapam prn sonata sleeping pill. Prn tried kratom for one week 1-15-22 - symptoms - visual issues, dizziness, severe brain fog, suicidal ideations Link to comment
Mia1 Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 Thanks for responding @Shellbell it’s good to hear from you. I’m curious to see if the thyroid medication helps, keep me posted. I watched this really great video yesterday that I wanted to share with you, it really helped me. If anything it will distract you for an hour so watch it if you can. Completely drug free 11/26/22 🎉 Supplements: Magnesium citrate: 250 mg; Fish oil: 1200 mg “When we are no longer able to change a situation, we are challenged to change ourselves.” - Victor Frankl Link to comment
Laurennnbb Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Shellbell said: @Mia1 thank you for checking on me. Still struggling. Right now I’m experiencing vision issues that are causing anxiety. Inner agitation and ruminating thoughts. Trying to get my thyroid meds fixed. So I’m praying that helps. But I just have this constant inner panic that is causing a lot of issues. I’m not able to control my thoughts and it’s making things worse. I was going through the same inner panic aka feeling a couple weeks ago. I was hospitalized because my suicidal ideations got so bad. I could not sleep or eat and had to be around someone at all times. I could not be alone. I was put on a mood stabilizer in the hospital and it seemed to calm me down. I am still not stable 100% and have side effects from this new med but the aka is gone, the suicidal thoughts are gone, and the restlessness and sleepless nights are gone. This whole time I suffered from aka, I took lavender magnesium sulfate Epsom salts baths, I was up for 8 nights from the couch, to the floor, to the bed, I just could not get comfortable. The only thing that got me this far was the baths. I was in the tub on and off for hours at a time. I still have the brain fog and brain zaps, but they seem to be subsiding as well. This will get better. I want to be off meds but this is the best I can do right now. I could not stand the aka and restlessness anymore. First ever psych drugs started June 1st 2021 at 24 years old -June 1st-June 7th= Prozac 20mg/Klonopin 0.5mg as needed -June 7th-June 14th= Prozac 10mg -June 14th- stopped Prozac cold Turkey due to adverse reactions July 11th- Ativan 0.5mg as needed instead of klonopin. July 31st-last benzo ever. Aug 1st-hospitalized for 5 days Aug 1st- Trileptal as mood stabilizer 300MG twice per day//Aug 3rd- Trileptal 600MG twice per day//Aug 14th started tapering down off Trileptal due to terrible side effects Oct 27th- Trileptal 225mg AM and 450mg PM//Nov 7th- Trileptal 150mg AM and 450mg PM//Hydroxyzine 10mg as needed Trazadone 100mg as needed for sleep Link to comment
Mentor Greatful Posted August 14, 2021 Mentor Share Posted August 14, 2021 @ShellbellThank you for letting us know how you are doing. I hope the thyroid meds will help.❤️ https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/24894-greatful-is-this-withdrawal-or-to-many-med-changes-at-once/ 1995? Prozac, tried several Paxil, Serzone, St John's Wart back to Prozac and Trazodone ct:d Traz Lexapro. Tried to stop Crash in 2015 Kindled Hospitalized, Vybrid, Seroquel, Effexor, Abilify Pristiq, Wellbutrin-- 2016 ended back on Prozac and Lamictal 200mg 5/2020 thru 12/2020 taper from 20mg Prozac down to 3mg. Crashed 12/13/2020 Zoloft 50mg 1/29ct 1/29/2021 Seroquel 50mg ct 2/12/2021 Wellbutrin 75mg. Became hypo manic 2/1 6ct Trazodone 50mg 4/25 25mg 2/5/ 2021 Lamictal 150mg. 2/24 100mg 4/9 75mg 4/21 37.5 2/16/2021 Seroquel 50xr 3/3 100mg 3/17 150mg side effects ct 4/3 2021 Lexapro 5mg 4/14 7.5mg 4/30 10mg 5/10 7.5mg 2021/ 5/16 5mg Lexapro 37.5 Lamictal 25mg trazadone, xanax .0625mg 3x a day Lexapro Taper> Sept/01/2021 4.90mg> Sept/25 4.75mg> Oct/19 4.69mg > Nov/14 4.2mg Jan/30/2022-- Split dosing 2x a day All liquid 4.2mg (2.20mg at 8am & 2mg at 4pm) 2/17 4mg> 2/24 3.8mg slow taper to Aug/12/2022 2.04mg 2023> 2mg, 1.90mg, 1.80mg, 1.70mg, 1.5mg, 1.4mg, 1.3mg 1.2mg, 1.1mg, 1mg, 0.9mg, 0.8mg, 0.7mg 0.65mg, 0.6mg, 0.55mg, 0.5mg, 0.45mg, 0.4mg, 0.35mg, 0.3mg, 0.25,mg, back to once a day dosing 0 .1mg, 0.07mg , 0.05mg 4/1/2024 0 Lamictal taper 4/17/ 2022 25mg, 9/9/ 22 -20mg, 9/25/22- 15mg , 10/20/22- 0 Trazodone..2023.>down to 14mg, 7mg, 6mg July 2023 0 Xanax 0.0625 3 x a day, 2023> 0.042 3x a day Supplements Magnesium glycinate, Omega 3, D3, vitamin c , zinc, NAC Link to comment
Mentor Greatful Posted August 18, 2021 Mentor Share Posted August 18, 2021 @Shellbell Hi, how are you doing. 😚 Any luck with the thyroid situation? https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/24894-greatful-is-this-withdrawal-or-to-many-med-changes-at-once/ 1995? Prozac, tried several Paxil, Serzone, St John's Wart back to Prozac and Trazodone ct:d Traz Lexapro. Tried to stop Crash in 2015 Kindled Hospitalized, Vybrid, Seroquel, Effexor, Abilify Pristiq, Wellbutrin-- 2016 ended back on Prozac and Lamictal 200mg 5/2020 thru 12/2020 taper from 20mg Prozac down to 3mg. Crashed 12/13/2020 Zoloft 50mg 1/29ct 1/29/2021 Seroquel 50mg ct 2/12/2021 Wellbutrin 75mg. Became hypo manic 2/1 6ct Trazodone 50mg 4/25 25mg 2/5/ 2021 Lamictal 150mg. 2/24 100mg 4/9 75mg 4/21 37.5 2/16/2021 Seroquel 50xr 3/3 100mg 3/17 150mg side effects ct 4/3 2021 Lexapro 5mg 4/14 7.5mg 4/30 10mg 5/10 7.5mg 2021/ 5/16 5mg Lexapro 37.5 Lamictal 25mg trazadone, xanax .0625mg 3x a day Lexapro Taper> Sept/01/2021 4.90mg> Sept/25 4.75mg> Oct/19 4.69mg > Nov/14 4.2mg Jan/30/2022-- Split dosing 2x a day All liquid 4.2mg (2.20mg at 8am & 2mg at 4pm) 2/17 4mg> 2/24 3.8mg slow taper to Aug/12/2022 2.04mg 2023> 2mg, 1.90mg, 1.80mg, 1.70mg, 1.5mg, 1.4mg, 1.3mg 1.2mg, 1.1mg, 1mg, 0.9mg, 0.8mg, 0.7mg 0.65mg, 0.6mg, 0.55mg, 0.5mg, 0.45mg, 0.4mg, 0.35mg, 0.3mg, 0.25,mg, back to once a day dosing 0 .1mg, 0.07mg , 0.05mg 4/1/2024 0 Lamictal taper 4/17/ 2022 25mg, 9/9/ 22 -20mg, 9/25/22- 15mg , 10/20/22- 0 Trazodone..2023.>down to 14mg, 7mg, 6mg July 2023 0 Xanax 0.0625 3 x a day, 2023> 0.042 3x a day Supplements Magnesium glycinate, Omega 3, D3, vitamin c , zinc, NAC Link to comment
Shellbell Posted August 19, 2021 Author Share Posted August 19, 2021 @Greatful thank you for checking on me. I’m not doing very well at all. Feels like I just get worse every day. And if I’m really honest if I had a way I probably would’ve ended my life already. I can’t stand the akathesia and severe ruminating thoughts anymore. It’s horrific. I don’t think this is because of my thyroid. But I did start a new med. and will be getting new lab work in a couple weeks. But not sure I’m going to last that long. It just so sad that this happened to me. And to all of us. But it’s too much for me to deal with hope you are ok 5-28-20 given cymbalta. Had bad reaction. Stopped immediately. 6-20-20 stopped vicodin after 5 years. Suffered akathesia. 7-20-20 to 11-13-20 mirtazapine. On 7.5 tapered for 8 weeks jumped off at 1.5 11/20 to Feb 3. .25 klonopin, tapered 4 weeks. Jumped off at .0935 present - med free. Still suffering from akathesia, insomnia,depression and anxiety melatonin 1mg. Magnesium 400mg daily Vicodin one week. Stopped 12-5-21 temezapam prn sonata sleeping pill. Prn tried kratom for one week 1-15-22 - symptoms - visual issues, dizziness, severe brain fog, suicidal ideations Link to comment
Mentor Greatful Posted August 19, 2021 Mentor Share Posted August 19, 2021 @Shellbell I am so sorry that you are suffering so bad. Did Klonopin help at all? I see your akathisia started after you stopped the Vicodin. Did you taper the Vicodin or ct it. There has to be something that will help. I know you want to avoid meds, but if your life is on the line you may need to go on something for little while.❤️ 1 https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/24894-greatful-is-this-withdrawal-or-to-many-med-changes-at-once/ 1995? Prozac, tried several Paxil, Serzone, St John's Wart back to Prozac and Trazodone ct:d Traz Lexapro. Tried to stop Crash in 2015 Kindled Hospitalized, Vybrid, Seroquel, Effexor, Abilify Pristiq, Wellbutrin-- 2016 ended back on Prozac and Lamictal 200mg 5/2020 thru 12/2020 taper from 20mg Prozac down to 3mg. Crashed 12/13/2020 Zoloft 50mg 1/29ct 1/29/2021 Seroquel 50mg ct 2/12/2021 Wellbutrin 75mg. Became hypo manic 2/1 6ct Trazodone 50mg 4/25 25mg 2/5/ 2021 Lamictal 150mg. 2/24 100mg 4/9 75mg 4/21 37.5 2/16/2021 Seroquel 50xr 3/3 100mg 3/17 150mg side effects ct 4/3 2021 Lexapro 5mg 4/14 7.5mg 4/30 10mg 5/10 7.5mg 2021/ 5/16 5mg Lexapro 37.5 Lamictal 25mg trazadone, xanax .0625mg 3x a day Lexapro Taper> Sept/01/2021 4.90mg> Sept/25 4.75mg> Oct/19 4.69mg > Nov/14 4.2mg Jan/30/2022-- Split dosing 2x a day All liquid 4.2mg (2.20mg at 8am & 2mg at 4pm) 2/17 4mg> 2/24 3.8mg slow taper to Aug/12/2022 2.04mg 2023> 2mg, 1.90mg, 1.80mg, 1.70mg, 1.5mg, 1.4mg, 1.3mg 1.2mg, 1.1mg, 1mg, 0.9mg, 0.8mg, 0.7mg 0.65mg, 0.6mg, 0.55mg, 0.5mg, 0.45mg, 0.4mg, 0.35mg, 0.3mg, 0.25,mg, back to once a day dosing 0 .1mg, 0.07mg , 0.05mg 4/1/2024 0 Lamictal taper 4/17/ 2022 25mg, 9/9/ 22 -20mg, 9/25/22- 15mg , 10/20/22- 0 Trazodone..2023.>down to 14mg, 7mg, 6mg July 2023 0 Xanax 0.0625 3 x a day, 2023> 0.042 3x a day Supplements Magnesium glycinate, Omega 3, D3, vitamin c , zinc, NAC Link to comment
Shellbell Posted August 19, 2021 Author Share Posted August 19, 2021 @Greatful i CT the Vicodin because I didn’t know any better. I’ve tried so many different meds. I reacted badly to all of them. So meds aren’t an option. Unfortunately there just isn’t anything that can help anymore. I’m tired of fighting this. It’s just over now for me 5-28-20 given cymbalta. Had bad reaction. Stopped immediately. 6-20-20 stopped vicodin after 5 years. Suffered akathesia. 7-20-20 to 11-13-20 mirtazapine. On 7.5 tapered for 8 weeks jumped off at 1.5 11/20 to Feb 3. .25 klonopin, tapered 4 weeks. Jumped off at .0935 present - med free. Still suffering from akathesia, insomnia,depression and anxiety melatonin 1mg. Magnesium 400mg daily Vicodin one week. Stopped 12-5-21 temezapam prn sonata sleeping pill. Prn tried kratom for one week 1-15-22 - symptoms - visual issues, dizziness, severe brain fog, suicidal ideations Link to comment
Mentor Greatful Posted August 19, 2021 Mentor Share Posted August 19, 2021 @@Shellbell this might sound crazy but have you considered reinstating Vicodin? Do you think that is a possibility? https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/24894-greatful-is-this-withdrawal-or-to-many-med-changes-at-once/ 1995? Prozac, tried several Paxil, Serzone, St John's Wart back to Prozac and Trazodone ct:d Traz Lexapro. Tried to stop Crash in 2015 Kindled Hospitalized, Vybrid, Seroquel, Effexor, Abilify Pristiq, Wellbutrin-- 2016 ended back on Prozac and Lamictal 200mg 5/2020 thru 12/2020 taper from 20mg Prozac down to 3mg. Crashed 12/13/2020 Zoloft 50mg 1/29ct 1/29/2021 Seroquel 50mg ct 2/12/2021 Wellbutrin 75mg. Became hypo manic 2/1 6ct Trazodone 50mg 4/25 25mg 2/5/ 2021 Lamictal 150mg. 2/24 100mg 4/9 75mg 4/21 37.5 2/16/2021 Seroquel 50xr 3/3 100mg 3/17 150mg side effects ct 4/3 2021 Lexapro 5mg 4/14 7.5mg 4/30 10mg 5/10 7.5mg 2021/ 5/16 5mg Lexapro 37.5 Lamictal 25mg trazadone, xanax .0625mg 3x a day Lexapro Taper> Sept/01/2021 4.90mg> Sept/25 4.75mg> Oct/19 4.69mg > Nov/14 4.2mg Jan/30/2022-- Split dosing 2x a day All liquid 4.2mg (2.20mg at 8am & 2mg at 4pm) 2/17 4mg> 2/24 3.8mg slow taper to Aug/12/2022 2.04mg 2023> 2mg, 1.90mg, 1.80mg, 1.70mg, 1.5mg, 1.4mg, 1.3mg 1.2mg, 1.1mg, 1mg, 0.9mg, 0.8mg, 0.7mg 0.65mg, 0.6mg, 0.55mg, 0.5mg, 0.45mg, 0.4mg, 0.35mg, 0.3mg, 0.25,mg, back to once a day dosing 0 .1mg, 0.07mg , 0.05mg 4/1/2024 0 Lamictal taper 4/17/ 2022 25mg, 9/9/ 22 -20mg, 9/25/22- 15mg , 10/20/22- 0 Trazodone..2023.>down to 14mg, 7mg, 6mg July 2023 0 Xanax 0.0625 3 x a day, 2023> 0.042 3x a day Supplements Magnesium glycinate, Omega 3, D3, vitamin c , zinc, NAC Link to comment
Shellbell Posted August 19, 2021 Author Share Posted August 19, 2021 @Greatful i have been off Vicodin for 14 months. Reinstating is not an option. Too be honest I think it would make things worse. I had surgery 2 months ago and was given Percoset and it didn’t help my symptoms at all. thank you for trying to help. I’m sorry to be so negative all the time. I’m just so devastated about how my life is. It rips my soul that this is how it’s going to end 5-28-20 given cymbalta. Had bad reaction. Stopped immediately. 6-20-20 stopped vicodin after 5 years. Suffered akathesia. 7-20-20 to 11-13-20 mirtazapine. On 7.5 tapered for 8 weeks jumped off at 1.5 11/20 to Feb 3. .25 klonopin, tapered 4 weeks. Jumped off at .0935 present - med free. Still suffering from akathesia, insomnia,depression and anxiety melatonin 1mg. Magnesium 400mg daily Vicodin one week. Stopped 12-5-21 temezapam prn sonata sleeping pill. Prn tried kratom for one week 1-15-22 - symptoms - visual issues, dizziness, severe brain fog, suicidal ideations Link to comment
Mentor Greatful Posted August 19, 2021 Mentor Share Posted August 19, 2021 @Shellbell I am here for you. I wish I there was more I could do for you. Please take care of yourself the best way you can. I will keep checking on you❤️ Please reach out to me if you need anything, a ear to listen to you, a friendly chat❤️ 1 https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/24894-greatful-is-this-withdrawal-or-to-many-med-changes-at-once/ 1995? Prozac, tried several Paxil, Serzone, St John's Wart back to Prozac and Trazodone ct:d Traz Lexapro. Tried to stop Crash in 2015 Kindled Hospitalized, Vybrid, Seroquel, Effexor, Abilify Pristiq, Wellbutrin-- 2016 ended back on Prozac and Lamictal 200mg 5/2020 thru 12/2020 taper from 20mg Prozac down to 3mg. Crashed 12/13/2020 Zoloft 50mg 1/29ct 1/29/2021 Seroquel 50mg ct 2/12/2021 Wellbutrin 75mg. Became hypo manic 2/1 6ct Trazodone 50mg 4/25 25mg 2/5/ 2021 Lamictal 150mg. 2/24 100mg 4/9 75mg 4/21 37.5 2/16/2021 Seroquel 50xr 3/3 100mg 3/17 150mg side effects ct 4/3 2021 Lexapro 5mg 4/14 7.5mg 4/30 10mg 5/10 7.5mg 2021/ 5/16 5mg Lexapro 37.5 Lamictal 25mg trazadone, xanax .0625mg 3x a day Lexapro Taper> Sept/01/2021 4.90mg> Sept/25 4.75mg> Oct/19 4.69mg > Nov/14 4.2mg Jan/30/2022-- Split dosing 2x a day All liquid 4.2mg (2.20mg at 8am & 2mg at 4pm) 2/17 4mg> 2/24 3.8mg slow taper to Aug/12/2022 2.04mg 2023> 2mg, 1.90mg, 1.80mg, 1.70mg, 1.5mg, 1.4mg, 1.3mg 1.2mg, 1.1mg, 1mg, 0.9mg, 0.8mg, 0.7mg 0.65mg, 0.6mg, 0.55mg, 0.5mg, 0.45mg, 0.4mg, 0.35mg, 0.3mg, 0.25,mg, back to once a day dosing 0 .1mg, 0.07mg , 0.05mg 4/1/2024 0 Lamictal taper 4/17/ 2022 25mg, 9/9/ 22 -20mg, 9/25/22- 15mg , 10/20/22- 0 Trazodone..2023.>down to 14mg, 7mg, 6mg July 2023 0 Xanax 0.0625 3 x a day, 2023> 0.042 3x a day Supplements Magnesium glycinate, Omega 3, D3, vitamin c , zinc, NAC Link to comment
Mentor Greatful Posted August 25, 2021 Mentor Share Posted August 25, 2021 Hi @Shellbell Stopping by to see how you are doing❤️ https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/24894-greatful-is-this-withdrawal-or-to-many-med-changes-at-once/ 1995? Prozac, tried several Paxil, Serzone, St John's Wart back to Prozac and Trazodone ct:d Traz Lexapro. Tried to stop Crash in 2015 Kindled Hospitalized, Vybrid, Seroquel, Effexor, Abilify Pristiq, Wellbutrin-- 2016 ended back on Prozac and Lamictal 200mg 5/2020 thru 12/2020 taper from 20mg Prozac down to 3mg. Crashed 12/13/2020 Zoloft 50mg 1/29ct 1/29/2021 Seroquel 50mg ct 2/12/2021 Wellbutrin 75mg. Became hypo manic 2/1 6ct Trazodone 50mg 4/25 25mg 2/5/ 2021 Lamictal 150mg. 2/24 100mg 4/9 75mg 4/21 37.5 2/16/2021 Seroquel 50xr 3/3 100mg 3/17 150mg side effects ct 4/3 2021 Lexapro 5mg 4/14 7.5mg 4/30 10mg 5/10 7.5mg 2021/ 5/16 5mg Lexapro 37.5 Lamictal 25mg trazadone, xanax .0625mg 3x a day Lexapro Taper> Sept/01/2021 4.90mg> Sept/25 4.75mg> Oct/19 4.69mg > Nov/14 4.2mg Jan/30/2022-- Split dosing 2x a day All liquid 4.2mg (2.20mg at 8am & 2mg at 4pm) 2/17 4mg> 2/24 3.8mg slow taper to Aug/12/2022 2.04mg 2023> 2mg, 1.90mg, 1.80mg, 1.70mg, 1.5mg, 1.4mg, 1.3mg 1.2mg, 1.1mg, 1mg, 0.9mg, 0.8mg, 0.7mg 0.65mg, 0.6mg, 0.55mg, 0.5mg, 0.45mg, 0.4mg, 0.35mg, 0.3mg, 0.25,mg, back to once a day dosing 0 .1mg, 0.07mg , 0.05mg 4/1/2024 0 Lamictal taper 4/17/ 2022 25mg, 9/9/ 22 -20mg, 9/25/22- 15mg , 10/20/22- 0 Trazodone..2023.>down to 14mg, 7mg, 6mg July 2023 0 Xanax 0.0625 3 x a day, 2023> 0.042 3x a day Supplements Magnesium glycinate, Omega 3, D3, vitamin c , zinc, NAC Link to comment
BfromNJ Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 On 8/18/2021 at 8:40 PM, Shellbell said: @Greatful i have been off Vicodin for 14 months. Reinstating is not an option. Too be honest I think it would make things worse. I had surgery 2 months ago and was given Percoset and it didn’t help my symptoms at all. thank you for trying to help. I’m sorry to be so negative all the time. I’m just so devastated about how my life is. It rips my soul that this is how it’s going to end Hey I dont know you well but I can empathize. I'm struggling terribly myself and honestly don't know how I make it through the day. I also can't believe this is my life now. And im often wishing I wasn't here. I hope you heal and I will pray for you 9/2018- lexapro low dose few days.11/3/2018- zoloft 2 days 11/7/18 - 11/15/18 - Prozac 9 days, from 10 mg for week, to 20 11/16 inpatient put on Lexapro for a few days, Cymbalta, 2 days 11/24-12/8 - gabapentin 100 mg 3xs per day - a very fast taper 1/7 - tbuspar for three days- blurry vision, jerky eye 1/17/19 - 2/15/19- mirtazapine 15 mg - started taper on 1/30 2/20/19 gabapentin 600 mg. . 12/20- taper finished 2/20/19 - seroquel 25 mg current - taken 10 pm 2/20/19- luvox (generic) 25 mg. 4/6/19 to 18.75 mg .held . Started taper again 1/7/21- 15 mg, 2/7/21- 12.5 mg, 3/7/21 -10 mg, 4/1/21- 9 mg, 5/1/21- 8.1 mg, 5/27/21- updose to 10 mg, 6/21- in patient updose to 50 mg, 6/25/21- reduce to 10 mg (current) . 9/5- split dose 5mg am/5 mg pm. 9/20- 4 mg am/5 mg pm . 9/1/21- took one dose of vistril 50 mg. 9/1/21-accidental double dose of seroquel- 50 mg Link to comment
Shellbell Posted August 26, 2021 Author Share Posted August 26, 2021 @Greatful thank you for checking on me. Still having a lot of issues. Just honestly don’t think I’m gonna be able to make it much longer like this. 5-28-20 given cymbalta. Had bad reaction. Stopped immediately. 6-20-20 stopped vicodin after 5 years. Suffered akathesia. 7-20-20 to 11-13-20 mirtazapine. On 7.5 tapered for 8 weeks jumped off at 1.5 11/20 to Feb 3. .25 klonopin, tapered 4 weeks. Jumped off at .0935 present - med free. Still suffering from akathesia, insomnia,depression and anxiety melatonin 1mg. Magnesium 400mg daily Vicodin one week. Stopped 12-5-21 temezapam prn sonata sleeping pill. Prn tried kratom for one week 1-15-22 - symptoms - visual issues, dizziness, severe brain fog, suicidal ideations Link to comment
Mentor Greatful Posted August 26, 2021 Mentor Share Posted August 26, 2021 @Shellbell I am sorry that it is such a struggle and that you are suffering so bad. You are stronger than you think, look how you keep at it. And guess what everyday your brain is healing❤️ https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/24894-greatful-is-this-withdrawal-or-to-many-med-changes-at-once/ 1995? Prozac, tried several Paxil, Serzone, St John's Wart back to Prozac and Trazodone ct:d Traz Lexapro. Tried to stop Crash in 2015 Kindled Hospitalized, Vybrid, Seroquel, Effexor, Abilify Pristiq, Wellbutrin-- 2016 ended back on Prozac and Lamictal 200mg 5/2020 thru 12/2020 taper from 20mg Prozac down to 3mg. Crashed 12/13/2020 Zoloft 50mg 1/29ct 1/29/2021 Seroquel 50mg ct 2/12/2021 Wellbutrin 75mg. Became hypo manic 2/1 6ct Trazodone 50mg 4/25 25mg 2/5/ 2021 Lamictal 150mg. 2/24 100mg 4/9 75mg 4/21 37.5 2/16/2021 Seroquel 50xr 3/3 100mg 3/17 150mg side effects ct 4/3 2021 Lexapro 5mg 4/14 7.5mg 4/30 10mg 5/10 7.5mg 2021/ 5/16 5mg Lexapro 37.5 Lamictal 25mg trazadone, xanax .0625mg 3x a day Lexapro Taper> Sept/01/2021 4.90mg> Sept/25 4.75mg> Oct/19 4.69mg > Nov/14 4.2mg Jan/30/2022-- Split dosing 2x a day All liquid 4.2mg (2.20mg at 8am & 2mg at 4pm) 2/17 4mg> 2/24 3.8mg slow taper to Aug/12/2022 2.04mg 2023> 2mg, 1.90mg, 1.80mg, 1.70mg, 1.5mg, 1.4mg, 1.3mg 1.2mg, 1.1mg, 1mg, 0.9mg, 0.8mg, 0.7mg 0.65mg, 0.6mg, 0.55mg, 0.5mg, 0.45mg, 0.4mg, 0.35mg, 0.3mg, 0.25,mg, back to once a day dosing 0 .1mg, 0.07mg , 0.05mg 4/1/2024 0 Lamictal taper 4/17/ 2022 25mg, 9/9/ 22 -20mg, 9/25/22- 15mg , 10/20/22- 0 Trazodone..2023.>down to 14mg, 7mg, 6mg July 2023 0 Xanax 0.0625 3 x a day, 2023> 0.042 3x a day Supplements Magnesium glycinate, Omega 3, D3, vitamin c , zinc, NAC Link to comment
Mia1 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 If you could just try to reframe what you’re going through you could give yourself some peace. It’s hard not to feel like a victim when we feel so sick but the reality is we can always choose how we respond to any given event. We have the power to transform and transcend the suffering. This experience can be seen as an opportunity for growth and resiliency or it can be seen as a hell we cannot escape. We get to choose. One thing I have really learned from this experience is that suffering is never caused by what is actually happening to us, it’s caused by our thoughts about what’s happening. Experience is neutral, we assign whether it is good or bad through our perception. Our power is in our perception of what is happening. You can change your story @Shellbellby changing your perception. Stop fighting what is and put that energy into getting well. You really can do this but only you can find your reasons for it. I’m here for you if you want a hand out of the darkness. Completely drug free 11/26/22 🎉 Supplements: Magnesium citrate: 250 mg; Fish oil: 1200 mg “When we are no longer able to change a situation, we are challenged to change ourselves.” - Victor Frankl Link to comment
Shellbell Posted August 28, 2021 Author Share Posted August 28, 2021 @mia1 I truly appreciate your reaching out. I try to force the acceptance with what I am going through. But I just get worse and worse every day. suffering from severe panic, insomnia right now. I tried to smoke weed to help me sleep and it didn't help and made me feel worse. There has to be something I can take to try and get sleep. It's been weeks of only a couple hours a night. What can I do to get through the panic feeling all the time? I just changed my diet to dairy free, gluten free, sugar free. I don't drink caffeine. I don't drink alcohol. Just don't know what to do anymore. I just really wish I could go to sleep and never wake up 5-28-20 given cymbalta. Had bad reaction. Stopped immediately. 6-20-20 stopped vicodin after 5 years. Suffered akathesia. 7-20-20 to 11-13-20 mirtazapine. On 7.5 tapered for 8 weeks jumped off at 1.5 11/20 to Feb 3. .25 klonopin, tapered 4 weeks. Jumped off at .0935 present - med free. Still suffering from akathesia, insomnia,depression and anxiety melatonin 1mg. Magnesium 400mg daily Vicodin one week. Stopped 12-5-21 temezapam prn sonata sleeping pill. Prn tried kratom for one week 1-15-22 - symptoms - visual issues, dizziness, severe brain fog, suicidal ideations Link to comment
Mia1 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 16 minutes ago, Shellbell said: I try to force the acceptance with what I am going through When we find ourselves in a situation we don’t like we take the necessary steps to try to change it. However there are times when we have done everything we can and simply must accept what is happening. When we are in true acceptance we allow things to be exactly as they are without trying to change it or make it go away. There is no forcing, that’s resistance. Be at peace with what is and don’t get caught in the story of what should be. 20 minutes ago, Shellbell said: suffering from severe panic, insomnia right now. I tried to smoke weed to help me sleep and it didn't help and made me feel worse. There has to be something I can take to try and get sleep. It's been weeks of only a couple hours a night. I’m sorry you’re having a difficult time with this. I don’t recommend taking anything to sleep, you run the risk of emotional and physical dependency. On top of that it is the same concept of looking outside yourself to fix something within, you are giving your power away. This had been one of my biggest issues in w/d and the more I forced sleep the less it came. When I shifted my focus off of sleep and onto resting I was able to relax more deeply and as a result I slept better. So I put sleep sounds on at night and simply focus on listening and relaxing until I fall asleep. If my mind starts the mental chatter I remind myself that this is my time to rest and not think and I focus back on the sleep sounds. It’s really paradoxical because by not worrying about sleep you’re going to sleep. Give it a try, it really does work. 26 minutes ago, Shellbell said: What can I do to get through the panic feeling all the time? This was another one of my big issues. It wasn’t until I started to meditate daily that I realized I was creating my panic by reacting to thoughts and body sensations. There’s really no mystery to panic and anxiety, it’s just a feeling. We turn it into an emotion when we start connecting with it. So I recommend you start to change your relationship to panic. Start to observe it objectively as just a feeling. Invite it in and play around with it; what does it look like, feel like? You are not the anxiety, it is just something you’re experiencing in the moment. At first this can feel scary because the natural instinct is to run from it. But remember, nothing bad is actually happening. Anxiety is actually good because it keeps us from danger. But when we’re not in danger it’s like our alarm is not working properly. So accept the feelings without judgement. When you do this enough you start to signal to your brain that there is nothing to worry about and the feelings will subside. The key here is acceptance and consistency. Keep accepting the feelings and focus on something else, nothing bad is actually happening. This is a practice so it’s okay if it takes some time to get comfortable with this. 38 minutes ago, Shellbell said: I just changed my diet to dairy free, gluten free, sugar free. I don't drink caffeine. I don't drink alcohol. This is really great news and I think you’re going to feel better for it. I ate a brownie yesterday and today it feels like my body is on fire so it really does make a difference. And it shows you care enough about yourself to make the change so good for you!! 41 minutes ago, Shellbell said: Just don't know what to do anymore Get to know yourself better, cultivate self compassion, find out what can make you happy in the midst of all the madness, meditate, learn non drug coping skills, journal, go for a walk with your dogs, call a friend, go to a park, feel the sun on your face, learn how to be kind to yourself, feel your feet on the grass, learn patience and forgiveness, start a gratitude journal, reach out to another member on SA who is struggling, find something to laugh about especially if it’s yourself. There are countless things to do every moment of the day @Shellbell, if you keep yourself open the opportunities are limitless!! Completely drug free 11/26/22 🎉 Supplements: Magnesium citrate: 250 mg; Fish oil: 1200 mg “When we are no longer able to change a situation, we are challenged to change ourselves.” - Victor Frankl Link to comment
Shellbell Posted August 29, 2021 Author Share Posted August 29, 2021 @Altostrata can I please ask you a question about lamictal? I’m very desperate to rid myself of the constant panic feelings and insomnia. I’m wondering if a small dose would help with that? I absolutely don’t want to take anything but the panic is overwhelming me. Causing severe anxiety and suicidal thoughts. was hoping for some advice thank you so much 5-28-20 given cymbalta. Had bad reaction. Stopped immediately. 6-20-20 stopped vicodin after 5 years. Suffered akathesia. 7-20-20 to 11-13-20 mirtazapine. On 7.5 tapered for 8 weeks jumped off at 1.5 11/20 to Feb 3. .25 klonopin, tapered 4 weeks. Jumped off at .0935 present - med free. Still suffering from akathesia, insomnia,depression and anxiety melatonin 1mg. Magnesium 400mg daily Vicodin one week. Stopped 12-5-21 temezapam prn sonata sleeping pill. Prn tried kratom for one week 1-15-22 - symptoms - visual issues, dizziness, severe brain fog, suicidal ideations Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted August 29, 2021 Administrator Share Posted August 29, 2021 It's possible. See This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
SeekingAnswers Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 On 8/28/2021 at 6:44 PM, Shellbell said: I absolutely don’t want to take anything but the panic is overwhelming me. Causing severe anxiety and suicidal thoughts. was hoping for some advice @Shellbell How are you doing now, any better since Saturday? I am thinking about you and hoping you are doing OK. My son who is in withdrawal's history: 2006 - 2021 Started on Celexa 10mg, increased to 20mg then 40mg. May 2021: Started to taper off. Down to 0mg by end of July under doctor's care. September 2021 started 200mg magnesium twice per day, 1000mg fish oil once per day, Vitamin D3, and 100mg N-acetyl cysteine twice per day. Oct. 12, 2021: Reinstated at 1mg liquid Celexa per day to hopefully alleviate intrusive thoughts (never had them before quitting Celexa). Nov. 1, 2021: Was supposed to increase to 2mg Celexa per day, but he was accidentally only taking 0.1ml per day. Nov. 18, 2021: Increased to 2mg liquid Celexa per day after realizing he was not taking the correct dosage for 17 days. Dec 29, 2021: Increased to 3mg liquid Celexa. Jan 31, 2022: Increased to 4mg liquid Celexa. Link to comment
Shellbell Posted August 30, 2021 Author Share Posted August 30, 2021 @SeekingAnswers thank you for reaching out. I’m not doing good at all. Not sleeping. Panic all day and night. Suicidal thoughts just not sure I can do this anymore 5-28-20 given cymbalta. Had bad reaction. Stopped immediately. 6-20-20 stopped vicodin after 5 years. Suffered akathesia. 7-20-20 to 11-13-20 mirtazapine. On 7.5 tapered for 8 weeks jumped off at 1.5 11/20 to Feb 3. .25 klonopin, tapered 4 weeks. Jumped off at .0935 present - med free. Still suffering from akathesia, insomnia,depression and anxiety melatonin 1mg. Magnesium 400mg daily Vicodin one week. Stopped 12-5-21 temezapam prn sonata sleeping pill. Prn tried kratom for one week 1-15-22 - symptoms - visual issues, dizziness, severe brain fog, suicidal ideations Link to comment
SeekingAnswers Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 I'm so sorry to hear this. Please try to hang in there. Are there any family members or friends you can reach out to for help, or spend time with right now? My son who is in withdrawal's history: 2006 - 2021 Started on Celexa 10mg, increased to 20mg then 40mg. May 2021: Started to taper off. Down to 0mg by end of July under doctor's care. September 2021 started 200mg magnesium twice per day, 1000mg fish oil once per day, Vitamin D3, and 100mg N-acetyl cysteine twice per day. Oct. 12, 2021: Reinstated at 1mg liquid Celexa per day to hopefully alleviate intrusive thoughts (never had them before quitting Celexa). Nov. 1, 2021: Was supposed to increase to 2mg Celexa per day, but he was accidentally only taking 0.1ml per day. Nov. 18, 2021: Increased to 2mg liquid Celexa per day after realizing he was not taking the correct dosage for 17 days. Dec 29, 2021: Increased to 3mg liquid Celexa. Jan 31, 2022: Increased to 4mg liquid Celexa. Link to comment
Shellbell Posted August 30, 2021 Author Share Posted August 30, 2021 @SeekingAnswers yes I reach out all the time. It’s pretty hopeless right now 5-28-20 given cymbalta. Had bad reaction. Stopped immediately. 6-20-20 stopped vicodin after 5 years. Suffered akathesia. 7-20-20 to 11-13-20 mirtazapine. On 7.5 tapered for 8 weeks jumped off at 1.5 11/20 to Feb 3. .25 klonopin, tapered 4 weeks. Jumped off at .0935 present - med free. Still suffering from akathesia, insomnia,depression and anxiety melatonin 1mg. Magnesium 400mg daily Vicodin one week. Stopped 12-5-21 temezapam prn sonata sleeping pill. Prn tried kratom for one week 1-15-22 - symptoms - visual issues, dizziness, severe brain fog, suicidal ideations Link to comment
SeekingAnswers Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 I am concerned for you. Please try to remember that a lot of people on this site have gone through this too, and with time have gotten to the point where they feel so much better. It's so difficult to endure this, but I think we have to take it one minute at a time some days. My son who is in withdrawal's history: 2006 - 2021 Started on Celexa 10mg, increased to 20mg then 40mg. May 2021: Started to taper off. Down to 0mg by end of July under doctor's care. September 2021 started 200mg magnesium twice per day, 1000mg fish oil once per day, Vitamin D3, and 100mg N-acetyl cysteine twice per day. Oct. 12, 2021: Reinstated at 1mg liquid Celexa per day to hopefully alleviate intrusive thoughts (never had them before quitting Celexa). Nov. 1, 2021: Was supposed to increase to 2mg Celexa per day, but he was accidentally only taking 0.1ml per day. Nov. 18, 2021: Increased to 2mg liquid Celexa per day after realizing he was not taking the correct dosage for 17 days. Dec 29, 2021: Increased to 3mg liquid Celexa. Jan 31, 2022: Increased to 4mg liquid Celexa. Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted August 30, 2021 Administrator Share Posted August 30, 2021 @Shellbell what happened with your thyroid medication? Did you have new symptoms after you started a new thyroid drug? Why did you go off Klonopin in February? How did you feel when you went off Klonopin? This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Shellbell Posted August 30, 2021 Author Share Posted August 30, 2021 @Altostrata my thyroid medication is still being adjusted. I don’t think my dose is high enough. I meet with dr tomorrow to hopefully make adjustments not sure if any new symptoms have happened. But it sure feels like I’ve gotten worse instead of better the past two weeks 5-28-20 given cymbalta. Had bad reaction. Stopped immediately. 6-20-20 stopped vicodin after 5 years. Suffered akathesia. 7-20-20 to 11-13-20 mirtazapine. On 7.5 tapered for 8 weeks jumped off at 1.5 11/20 to Feb 3. .25 klonopin, tapered 4 weeks. Jumped off at .0935 present - med free. Still suffering from akathesia, insomnia,depression and anxiety melatonin 1mg. Magnesium 400mg daily Vicodin one week. Stopped 12-5-21 temezapam prn sonata sleeping pill. Prn tried kratom for one week 1-15-22 - symptoms - visual issues, dizziness, severe brain fog, suicidal ideations Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted August 30, 2021 Administrator Share Posted August 30, 2021 @Shellbell what happened after you went off Klonopin in February? Why did you go off? This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Shellbell Posted August 30, 2021 Author Share Posted August 30, 2021 @Altostrata the Klonopin helped me sleep a little. Only took it a short time. I went off because I didn’t want any long term issues with a benzo. When I went off it I don’t think much happened. I didn’t feel any better or worse being off it 5-28-20 given cymbalta. Had bad reaction. Stopped immediately. 6-20-20 stopped vicodin after 5 years. Suffered akathesia. 7-20-20 to 11-13-20 mirtazapine. On 7.5 tapered for 8 weeks jumped off at 1.5 11/20 to Feb 3. .25 klonopin, tapered 4 weeks. Jumped off at .0935 present - med free. Still suffering from akathesia, insomnia,depression and anxiety melatonin 1mg. Magnesium 400mg daily Vicodin one week. Stopped 12-5-21 temezapam prn sonata sleeping pill. Prn tried kratom for one week 1-15-22 - symptoms - visual issues, dizziness, severe brain fog, suicidal ideations Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted August 30, 2021 Administrator Share Posted August 30, 2021 According to your signature, you took a benzo from November 20 to February 3. That would be more than 8 weeks. When you went off, you probably were already physiologically dependent on it. It's very possible some of your symptoms are benzo withdrawal symptoms. If I were you, I would reinstate a very small amount of Klonopin twice a day. You were taking 0.25mg per day, or more than once a day? This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Shellbell Posted August 30, 2021 Author Share Posted August 30, 2021 @Altostrata i was on once a day for insomnia. I don’t have a dr that will prescribe it for me. I switched to a new dr. however I do have 10 pills of Valium of 5mg maybe I can try taking one and seeing if it helps? I just been off it for so long. I just don’t know why I feel like this. 5-28-20 given cymbalta. Had bad reaction. Stopped immediately. 6-20-20 stopped vicodin after 5 years. Suffered akathesia. 7-20-20 to 11-13-20 mirtazapine. On 7.5 tapered for 8 weeks jumped off at 1.5 11/20 to Feb 3. .25 klonopin, tapered 4 weeks. Jumped off at .0935 present - med free. Still suffering from akathesia, insomnia,depression and anxiety melatonin 1mg. Magnesium 400mg daily Vicodin one week. Stopped 12-5-21 temezapam prn sonata sleeping pill. Prn tried kratom for one week 1-15-22 - symptoms - visual issues, dizziness, severe brain fog, suicidal ideations Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted August 30, 2021 Administrator Share Posted August 30, 2021 It is possible that your Klonopin schedule was producing interdose withdrawal symptoms while you were taking it. @Frogie, could you tell Shellbell how to take 0.5mg diazepam, given she has 5mg tablets? This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Shellbell Posted August 31, 2021 Author Share Posted August 31, 2021 @Altostrata OMG I totally read the above statement wrong. Didn't see the .5mg portion. I took a whole 5mg pill last night. I was desperate for sleep after not having any at all for several weeks did I mess up a lot? Not quite sure how to proceed next. Do I not take anything and just wait it out? I actually had much improved day today. Don't know if it's because I finally slept for 7 hours, or I had a window or if it was due to the diazepam. Who knows. Just not quite sure how to proceed next? I know you are super busy and I value your time and appreciate any help you can give mei 5-28-20 given cymbalta. Had bad reaction. Stopped immediately. 6-20-20 stopped vicodin after 5 years. Suffered akathesia. 7-20-20 to 11-13-20 mirtazapine. On 7.5 tapered for 8 weeks jumped off at 1.5 11/20 to Feb 3. .25 klonopin, tapered 4 weeks. Jumped off at .0935 present - med free. Still suffering from akathesia, insomnia,depression and anxiety melatonin 1mg. Magnesium 400mg daily Vicodin one week. Stopped 12-5-21 temezapam prn sonata sleeping pill. Prn tried kratom for one week 1-15-22 - symptoms - visual issues, dizziness, severe brain fog, suicidal ideations Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted August 31, 2021 Administrator Share Posted August 31, 2021 The effect of the 5mg should last for a few days. @Frogie will visit and tell you how to take 0.5mg, that might be enough and make it last. Will your doctor refill your diazepam prescription? You will need to taper it after you stabilize on it. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
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