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Hello SA. First of all, if this case is not actually uncommon, I apologize. But I haven't seen a  similar  WD pattern yet.

 

Let me introduce myself. I'm a 25 year old male. I took Prozac for 5 years. I have read Npanth's withdrawal content and find him pretty inspirational. But I have read SA and Altostrata's content and think it is great too. 

 

Anyway, as stated I took Prozac for 5 years (20 mg) and did a 2.5 month taper. The wave/window pattern began on month 4 but since month 9-10 it has turned into a continuous wave. It is now month 17. So I haven't had a window for 7 months now. I understand that cycles can get longer, but this much longer? My last wave was only 3 months long. It is like the progress has reversed back to the initial WD phase. In addition to this, it is also the worst wave so far. I would also like to note that my symptoms are purely physical. Could anyone please explain what is happening and also predict how long my withdrawal will last?

 

I would be a ton grateful if I could get help.

Sep 2015: Started Prozac (20mg/day)

 

Started tapering

Aug 2020: Prozac (10mg/day)

Sep 2020: Prozac (5mg/day)

Oct 2020: Prozac (2mg/day)

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Hello, and welcome to SA.  We are a volunteer-run community of people who have been or are getting off of psychiatric drugs.  I'm very sorry you have been in this wave for so long.  You say the symptoms are only physical.  What are your symptoms, if you don't mind?  

 

It looks like you did a pretty fast taper, and this may be why you are having problems now.  No judgment, as there is very little info out there on how to safely taper these drugs, which is extremely slowly.  

 

Can you please give us specific information about your drug history for all drugs you are on and have been on, especially for the past 18-24 months?  It would be especially helpful to have the details of your drugs in a concise vertical list (no symptoms), only drug names, specific dates (as best you can say for example early March if you don't recall the day) and dosages of each medication decrease or increase.  Use this format:

 

Drug name: date, dose, date, dose, date, dose…

Drug name: date, dose, date, dose, date, dose…

Etcetera

 

Please read the link below for instructions.  This will allow us to give you the best guidance.  

 

How to List Drug History in Signature

 

Here is some information about how these drugs actually work.   This explains why we get symptoms from going off of these medications. 

 

How Psychiatric Drugs Remodel Your Brain

 

 

This helps you understand what withdrawal syndrome is: 

 

Video on Recovery from Psych Drugs

 

Windows and Waves Pattern of Stabilization

 

What is Happening in Your Brain

 

 

Also, as we are recovering, we suggest keeping things slow, simple, and stable. 

 

Keep it Simple, Slow, and Stable

 

 

Here is a link with checklists of common WD symptoms: 

 

Dr Joseph Glenmullen Withdrawal Symptom Checklists

 

 

Here are some techniques to cope with symptoms: 

 

Non Drug Ways to Cope with Withdrawal Symptoms

 

 

We don't suggest many supplements, but 2 that many of us find helpful are magnesium and omega-3 fish oil. Here are the links for info about those. It is suggested to add one at a time, and start with a low dose to see how it affects you. 


Magnesium

 

Omega 3 Fish Oil

 

Perhaps a very small reinstatement would help you.  Going back on a small dose of your drug is best done very carefully.  This is temporary, and after stabilizing you would then taper gradually off of this.  There is some risk involved, and we need more specifics about your drug history before we can suggest a good dose at which to reinstate.  Here is some information about reinstatement.  

 

About Reinstating and Stabilizing to Reduce Withdrawal Symptoms

 

I've given you quite a bit of information here.  Please take your time, and read it as you are able to.  Please let us know if you want to try the reinstatement option or not.   Let us know how you are doing.  

Edited by getofflex

Please do not private message me.  Only tag me for urgent questions about tapering and reinstating - thank you.  

 

***Please note this is not medical advice.  Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a doctor who understands psych meds and how to withdraw from them, if you can find one.

 

Lexapro   Started Apr 15 2010 - 10 mg;  started taper August 2017, recent taper info: Apr 2 '20  0.18 mg; Jul 16  0.17 mg, Aug 23  0.16 mg, Oct 7  0.15 mg, Nov 8 - 0.14, Jan 16 '21 - 0.13, Feb 7 - 0.12, Feb 22 - 0.11, Mar 26 - 0.10, May 21 - 0.09, June 15 - 0.08 Aug 16 - 0.07, Oct 6 - 0.06, Nov 21 0.05, Dec. 17 0.04, Jan 14 '22 0.03, Feb 19 0.02, Apr 18 0.01, May 15 0.005,  Jul 8, 0.00.  Psych Drug Free as of July 8, 2022!!  Woohoo!!!

other meds: Levothyroxine 75 mg

magnesium in small amounts at 4 AM, before bed

suppl AM: fish oil, flax oil, vit C, vit E, multivitamin, zinc

suppl 8 PM: magnesium 350 mg, extended release vitamin C, melatonin 2 mg

 

Paxil 2002 - 2010, switched to Lexapro 2010 

Trazodone 50 mg. 2002 - 2019, fast tapered in 2019 

Xanax 0.5 mg as needed 2002 - 2019, up to 3x weekly 

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Thank you. I have written my signature now. My symptoms consist of "electric" shocks around my body, especially the feet, burning sensations underneath my skin, itching around my body, aching around my body and tension ( I don't really know how to describe it. It feels sort of like my skin is being stretched. It happens mainly in my feet and face.)

Sep 2015: Started Prozac (20mg/day)

 

Started tapering

Aug 2020: Prozac (10mg/day)

Sep 2020: Prozac (5mg/day)

Oct 2020: Prozac (2mg/day)

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You could possibly try a reinstatement of 1/2 mg of Prozac, and see if that helps your symptoms.  Read my link above, at the end of my post, about reinstatement.  There is some risk involved.  Your best bet would be to use liquid.  You can buy, or make liquid Prozac.  That will make it easy to measure such a small dose.  You would stabilize on this, and then very gradually taper off later.  This link will explain:

 

Tips for Tapering and Dosing Prozac

 

Please let us know if you decide to try a reinstatement.  Let us know how you are doing. 

Edited by getofflex

Please do not private message me.  Only tag me for urgent questions about tapering and reinstating - thank you.  

 

***Please note this is not medical advice.  Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a doctor who understands psych meds and how to withdraw from them, if you can find one.

 

Lexapro   Started Apr 15 2010 - 10 mg;  started taper August 2017, recent taper info: Apr 2 '20  0.18 mg; Jul 16  0.17 mg, Aug 23  0.16 mg, Oct 7  0.15 mg, Nov 8 - 0.14, Jan 16 '21 - 0.13, Feb 7 - 0.12, Feb 22 - 0.11, Mar 26 - 0.10, May 21 - 0.09, June 15 - 0.08 Aug 16 - 0.07, Oct 6 - 0.06, Nov 21 0.05, Dec. 17 0.04, Jan 14 '22 0.03, Feb 19 0.02, Apr 18 0.01, May 15 0.005,  Jul 8, 0.00.  Psych Drug Free as of July 8, 2022!!  Woohoo!!!

other meds: Levothyroxine 75 mg

magnesium in small amounts at 4 AM, before bed

suppl AM: fish oil, flax oil, vit C, vit E, multivitamin, zinc

suppl 8 PM: magnesium 350 mg, extended release vitamin C, melatonin 2 mg

 

Paxil 2002 - 2010, switched to Lexapro 2010 

Trazodone 50 mg. 2002 - 2019, fast tapered in 2019 

Xanax 0.5 mg as needed 2002 - 2019, up to 3x weekly 

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Aha I understand. I will read these posts straight away. I should have noted that my symptoms actually 'are' bearable. So do you still think it would be good choice reinstating? Also, if I don't reinstate, can you possibly estimate how long the withdrawal will last? ( Even if the guess is +/- a whole year )

Sep 2015: Started Prozac (20mg/day)

 

Started tapering

Aug 2020: Prozac (10mg/day)

Sep 2020: Prozac (5mg/day)

Oct 2020: Prozac (2mg/day)

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Whether you reinstate or not is entirely up to you.  It has been a long time since you took Prozac, so if it were me, if the symptoms were bearable, I would try to tough it out and use non drug coping strategies to deal with them.  (see my first post for link to non drug coping skills). I cannot predict how long withdrawal will last.  This link goes into all the variables that affect the length of your withdrawal period: 

 

How Long is Withdrawal Going to Take?

Please do not private message me.  Only tag me for urgent questions about tapering and reinstating - thank you.  

 

***Please note this is not medical advice.  Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a doctor who understands psych meds and how to withdraw from them, if you can find one.

 

Lexapro   Started Apr 15 2010 - 10 mg;  started taper August 2017, recent taper info: Apr 2 '20  0.18 mg; Jul 16  0.17 mg, Aug 23  0.16 mg, Oct 7  0.15 mg, Nov 8 - 0.14, Jan 16 '21 - 0.13, Feb 7 - 0.12, Feb 22 - 0.11, Mar 26 - 0.10, May 21 - 0.09, June 15 - 0.08 Aug 16 - 0.07, Oct 6 - 0.06, Nov 21 0.05, Dec. 17 0.04, Jan 14 '22 0.03, Feb 19 0.02, Apr 18 0.01, May 15 0.005,  Jul 8, 0.00.  Psych Drug Free as of July 8, 2022!!  Woohoo!!!

other meds: Levothyroxine 75 mg

magnesium in small amounts at 4 AM, before bed

suppl AM: fish oil, flax oil, vit C, vit E, multivitamin, zinc

suppl 8 PM: magnesium 350 mg, extended release vitamin C, melatonin 2 mg

 

Paxil 2002 - 2010, switched to Lexapro 2010 

Trazodone 50 mg. 2002 - 2019, fast tapered in 2019 

Xanax 0.5 mg as needed 2002 - 2019, up to 3x weekly 

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Thank you so much for your help, getofflex. I'll inform you guys about recovery if it happens.

 

- Nicky

Sep 2015: Started Prozac (20mg/day)

 

Started tapering

Aug 2020: Prozac (10mg/day)

Sep 2020: Prozac (5mg/day)

Oct 2020: Prozac (2mg/day)

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@Nicky96 hello.. writing for similar symptoms (but many more too) at almost 2yrs drug free. Any improvement???

All the best.

06/2012 - 02/2015 CIPRALEX 10 mg (for somatic abdominal pain + reflux) - prior to this NOT any significant episode of anxiety/depression

on medication: emotional-sexual numbness, total inability to cry, +8 kg, fatigue -> abdominal pain gone

02/2015 - 1/04/2015 tapering from 10 mg to 0 mg doctor advised

05/05/2015 huge anxiety, burning skin sensation, panic, fear, not able to cry again, never-had-before insomnia, totally lost appetite, little loss of vision in one eye, sweating, chest pain, short breath, restlessness, accelerated heartbeat, mild akathisia legs-feet

30/05/2015 reinstated 8mg (I was suggested 5 mg here)

middle 07/2015 general improving

10/2015 start disastrous too long taper 7mg  11/2015 6mg  12/2015 5mg 1/2016 4mg  2/2016 4mg  3/2016 3mg ->FAIL back to 4mg .... 8/2016 3mg 8/2017 2mg  (short wave in summer '17) 8/2018 2mg stable  8/2019 1mg  1/2020 0.6 mg 

1/APRIL/2020 0mg FREE!

7/2020 - 10/2020 MILD WAVE(mostly anxiety, poor sleep)

6/2021 - 9/2021 WAVE (anxiety, severe insomnia, total loss of appetite, deep depression, internal restlessness, anhedonia)  0.125g triazolam  2 times

18/03/2022 WAVE (anxiety, severe insomnia, total loss of appetite, PAIN in muscles and nerves, arms and right leg,cannot exercise,hard to walk) 0.125g triazolam 3 times

7/5 rein 0.1mg

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Hello Marta. (I don't know how to tag people. )

 

Well, yes and no. Yes in that there have been gradual improvements in this withdrawal but no in the way that it has gotten worse due to this being the final acute phase. ( for some it gets worse when you go down to/ adapt to about 5mg.

 

Though for the majority of the time  my synptoms are most bearable.

Sep 2015: Started Prozac (20mg/day)

 

Started tapering

Aug 2020: Prozac (10mg/day)

Sep 2020: Prozac (5mg/day)

Oct 2020: Prozac (2mg/day)

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