alizarin: Debilitating Insomnia Help

[alizarin]

feel awful can't type much so sorry

[alizarin]

Hello: -) I'm so sorry you are suffering. Please hang in there. This might be a stupid question are you sure your not sleeping but just don't realize it? Because I have done this. In the beginning of my problems my anxiety was so high I would fall asleep and wake up swearing I had not slept at all. This went on for quite a while. I would even fight with my wife because she told me I had and I didn't believe her. I only excepted it when she said I had been snoring. Just a thought. I hope you feel some relief real soon take care of your self: -)

sorry i didn't respond earlier but i'm just physically exhausted from not sleeping for so many months.

but to answer your question, yes, i am sure. i keep pen and paper on my nightstand and as soon as i go to bed, i mark the time, when i wake up, i mark the time which lately is 25-30 minutes after taking klonopin and remeron. then when i wake up, i take more magnesium, now taurine that someone recommended, plus either calms forte or alteril. last night i even took both. i just try to close my eyes but im definitely not sleeping. the pounding migraine is also a reminder and the fact that i can't drive, concentrate, or get anything done. i've essentially become an oxygen thief. utterly useless.

[lobster]

I'm sorry but hang in there your not useless. You will get better. I went through No natural sleep for months after I quit lexapro 20 mg cold. one night I just stopped sleeping. I took Xanax and seraquil every night for months just to get some sleep. Then it started coming back slowly now I don't have to take any thing .I still have sleep issues but nothing like it was.

[Meimeiquest]

I have no personal experience with this at all, but I saw an integrative psychiatrist yesterday and he said he has seen patients get the most help for complex sleep issues from genesaliving.com's Total Amino Solution. His recommendation to me personally was to ramp up the supplements I am already taking as I know I tolerate them at some level.

[alizarin]

I'm sorry but hang in there your not useless. You will get better. I went through No natural sleep for months after I quit lexapro 20 mg cold. one night I just stopped sleeping. I took Xanax and seraquil every night for months just to get some sleep. Then it started coming back slowly now I don't have to take any thing .I still have sleep issues but nothing like it was.

Lobster,

 

Thank you SO much for briefly explaining your case to me. I was honestly beginning to think I was just an oddity in terms of symptoms that won't budge. Is it ok if I PM you regarding all of this? I've pretty much reached the end of my rope with insomnia. And I KNOW sleeplessness is what triggers and intensifies the ideations and dp/dr. Again, thank you! That's exactly how it happened to me. Literally. One night, after sleeping 8 hours for my lifetime, I just stopped sleeping. Just like that. No warning. Nothing but insomnia.

 

Thanks again!

[alizarin]

I have no personal experience with this at all, but I saw an integrative psychiatrist yesterday and he said he has seen patients get the most help for complex sleep issues from genesaliving.com's Total Amino Solution. His recommendation to me personally was to ramp up the supplements I am already taking as I know I tolerate them at some level.

Meime,

 

I took a look at the ingredients in the supplement and it appears that I'm already taking most of it in other supplements. Unfortunately, I'm already on too many supplements as it is and have to think about what to reduce, actually. I think that would be a good question to ask, perhaps in the Symptoms/ Self Care section. However, thanks for the suggestion.

[tgirl]

A,

Sorry to hear of your insomnia issues.

I too am experiencing the same issues.

hang in there!

Thinking of you!

[alizarin]

Second time this month where, after taking all the junk I've been prescribed, I still cannot manage to fall asleep if only for a few minutes. What does this mean?

 

 

I believe my sleep has gotten worse. And I stopped caffeine last month. Now I'm doing light yoga meant for sleep and relaxation before bed, I have almond milk and a bit of honey, I take magnesium and taurine, I meditate... I'm so sick and tired of having to go through this whole performance/ ritual just to get some sleep. Before, I just closed my eyes and fell asleep when I wanted.

[alizarin]

This marks the third night I cannot fall asleep at the usual time I was doing so previously (10:00 PM). Yesterday, I slept after 4 AM for a few minutes and today I slept after 3 AM, again for a few minutes.

 

I've been taking Remeron now since July, since this site has suggested I hold and stabilize. The Remeron no longer aids with the onset of sleep. The Klonopin, I feel, has no effect, it's basically being taken to prevent seizures or hellish wd. This is how I feel when I take the drugs at night.

 

I wanted to update this since my sleep pattern has changed 3 days ago and not sure what to do. My hair is now falling off and I have red bags under my eyes.

[chicken]

This marks the third night I cannot fall asleep at the usual time I was doing so previously (10:00 PM). Yesterday, I slept after 4 AM for a few minutes and today I slept after 3 AM, again for a few minutes.

 

I've been taking Remeron now since July, since this site has suggested I hold and stabilize. The Remeron no longer aids with the onset of sleep. The Klonopin, I feel, has no effect, it's basically being taken to prevent seizures or hellish wd. This is how I feel when I take the drugs at night.

 

I wanted to update this since my sleep pattern has changed 3 days ago and not sure what to do. My hair is now falling off and I have red bags under my eyes.

 

Alizarin,

Your loss of hair may be from the Remeron. I would lose a lot of hair when I was on it. Luckily my hair is really thick. I got off of the remeron back in August and I am not losing anymore hair.

[alizarin]

 

This marks the third night I cannot fall asleep at the usual time I was doing so previously (10:00 PM). Yesterday, I slept after 4 AM for a few minutes and today I slept after 3 AM, again for a few minutes.

 

I've been taking Remeron now since July, since this site has suggested I hold and stabilize. The Remeron no longer aids with the onset of sleep. The Klonopin, I feel, has no effect, it's basically being taken to prevent seizures or hellish wd. This is how I feel when I take the drugs at night.

 

I wanted to update this since my sleep pattern has changed 3 days ago and not sure what to do. My hair is now falling off and I have red bags under my eyes.

 

Alizarin,

Your loss of hair may be from the Remeron. I would lose a lot of hair when I was on it. Luckily my hair is really thick. I got off of the remeron back in August and I am not losing anymore hair.

 

Really? I'm getting clumps and clumps falling off, daily. I just run my hands through my hair and a bunch falls off! This is crazy.

[alizarin]

Please, can I have a mod's opinion?

 

My hair is falling off and I haven't had a bowel movement in 2 days. This is highly unusual for me and I think it's the Remeron. Should I start tapering the Remeron?

[chicken]

Hi Alizarin,

When my hair came out it did not come out in clumps but when I would comb it, what did come out would fill my comb. Also, it would fill the drain in my bathtub when I washed my hair sometimes making it hard for the water to drain. I definitely lost more hair than usual on the Remeron so I'm pretty sure that in my case Remeron was the cause.

 

I'm sure the mods will be along to help you with the taper advice. It looks from your sig that you are on a benzo and the remeron. From my understanding here, they recommend tapering the AD first.

[alizarin]

Hi Chicken,

 

Thanks for responding. If I run my hands through my hair, most of the time now, many many strands will come off. I do have long hair but it's thin. What you mentioned about filling the comb and tub also happens to me. The Remeron hasn't helped me sleep much at all, the morning dry mouth is gross, and there is a lot of cog fog that developed once I started taking it. Just a lot of nasty side effects. I initially went on it because of trouble eating, nausea, and insomnia. It does help me eat, that's the only reason why I keep taking it.

 

But thank you so much for responding. I was thinking of doing a very slow 5 % taper, cutting the dose daily instead of weekly, like .053ml per day.

[Petunia]

Please, can I have a mod's opinion?

 

My hair is falling off and I haven't had a bowel movement in 2 days. This is highly unusual for me and I think it's the Remeron. Should I start tapering the Remeron?

 

Alopecia has been reported as a side effect of Remeron and constipation is a common side effect.

 

http://www.drugs.com/sfx/remeron-side-effects.html

 

But I don't know if your symptoms are coming from the Remeron or previous withdrawal or adverse effects of previous drugs and changes or general NS destabilization, or a combination of any of these things.  My fear is that if you start tapering now, your sleep will become even worse.  Is your hair coming out in patches or is it general all over?

 

My hair was falling out when I was going through acute withdrawal, any kind of stress can cause hair loss, and constipation.

 

Perhaps you could try a very small cut of 5% and hold for 2 weeks and see how you feel.  If your symptoms start to improve, or at least dont become worse, then you could continue with a slow taper.  Your situation is unusual and quite complicated so its difficult to know what to suggest, but the Remeron is obviously not helping you to sleep, so there is no reason for you to be taking it, I'm just concerned that if you start another taper now, your symptoms may get worse.

 

Daily cutting is not a good idea, it takes about 4 days for dosage changes to register, you need to wait at least 4 days after a cut to find out what effect its going to have.

[alizarin]

I'm honestly not sure what course of action to take. Mentally, I'm not in a place of clarity to make an informed decision. I do know that I have a major Klonopin taper ahead of me in the near future, and I need to make adjustments for it. Because I won't be able to eat or sleep, I will need the Remeron for a while. Again, I totally understand how unpopular that is here, but I'm honestly really petrified of the K taper.

 

I don't believe I ever stabilized on these meds. The Remeron side effect of alopecia was recent and so was the difficulty with onset of sleep (my issue from the beginning was with sleep maintenance, but I was always able to fall asleep -despite short duration, which is also odd).

 

So basically, I just don't know what to do. These side effects are uncomfortable and I cannot believe I'm still here after 6 (almost 7 now) months of consistent, chronic insomnia. I mean, every single night, micro-sleeping, 30 minutes, sometimes nil.

[alizarin]

I'm scared that I'll never sleep again. My case is convoluted and strange, I didn't intend for that.

 

Is there any way I could possibly attempt to reach Monica Cassani from Beyond Meds here? Perhaps she could shed some insight.

 

I feel like I will die either from this or the Klonopin taper.

[Athena]

Hello Alizarin,

 

I know this is a very difficult time, but please hang in there. Insomnia is in my opinion one of the worst symptoms, but it does resolve. 2 summers ago, I was 4 months without any natural sleep. I could sleep for an hour or 2 only with the Imovane I was taking. In my case it was due to the AD I was taking at the time (I think it was Cymbalta but I took so many different ones, I get confused). I know you would love to sleep 1-2 hours right now, and that our cases are different, but it will get better. I still have insomnia from time to time, and my sleep is not as profound as it used to be. But I am still tapering, and it has improved a lot. Yours will too.

 

I would follow Petu's advice. If Remeron is not helping, maybe it's worseniong? I don't know, just a thought. But it might be worth it to try and reduce a very tiny bit and see what it does. Monitor and keep track of the changes for maybe 2 weeks?

 

Also I think that all what you are doing to improve your sleep (yoga, meditation, magnesium, etc....) is not lost in the long run. I still do all of these too and I am sure it still helps, even if we don't see the results right away.

 

I wish you peace and I send you a whole lot of hope. Hang in there.

 

Athena

[Athena]

Hello Alizarin, how are you feeling?

 

Can you sleep a little bit?

 

Thinking of you and sending you hope.

 

Athena

[alizarin]

i've given up. if i live, i live and vice versa.

 

thanks for the message.

[alizarin]

Hello,

 

Following a brief hiatus, I wanted to return here and share my experiences during the continuation of protracted withdrawal from Lexapro and the insomnia that (seemingly spontaneously) spawned following extensive hospital stays for a bout of hyperthyroidism.

Currently, my sleep has improved but I don't necessarily attribute this to the aid of Remeron. I am walking for an hour and a half seven days a week, practice yoga for insomnia and drink chamomile tea at night, and practice two 20 minute sessions of meditation via Mooji throughout the day. As always, I eat an organic, whole foods diet.

I began exercising as soon as I was able to get out of bed, but only recently (one and a half months) have been able to walk and occasionally jog (the later, for very brief intervals) for a lengthier time interval.

 

Reading some of my earlier posts, I do notice the sheer desperation and agony I was undergoing, and I honestly never want to return to that place. However, I also feel that I can no longer manage the crippling effects of the Remeron. Although I am petrified of undergoing the same type of insomnia I experienced in those previous months, the side effects of Remeron render me absolutely useless. This is what I am experiencing:

 

1. Cognitive/ mental fog issues. This is not the Klonopin as I began feeling this specific lack of mental clarity shortly after taking my first Remeron dose. See, Klonopin tends to cause memory loss, but the Remeron (or perhaps the amalgamation of the two meds) , for me, tends to impair cognitive function. For example, I can no longer add or subtract numbers in my head without being consistently incorrect. Even writing this post feels like an extraordinary struggle.

2. Unimaginable lethargy. I am still in astonishment as to how severely unmotivated I am to get anything done. A lot of it does have to do with the fatigue I experience.

3. Fatigue. See above.

4. Constipation. I have managed to resolve this by incorporating more raw vegetables along with the intake of magnesium (the later, also serving as an aid, along with Taurine, to induce relaxation upon awakening after an hour of sleep).

5. Ankle pain/ swelling

6. Water retention.

7. Insatiable hunger. Have gained nearly 20 lbs on a low carb, gluten-free, almost entirely raw vegan diet with the occasional inclusion of wild-caught salmon for protein. What in the world...

8. Bad vertigo. Coupled with the fatigue, I think anyone can see why it becomes so difficult to get anything done.

9. Dry eyes.

 

Lastly, I did have a verbal altercation with my endocrinologist of over a decade because, after having prescribed the 2 mg Klonopin, he has decided to decrease it to 1.5mg without, of course, time for me to perform a reasonable taper. When I requested if it were possible for me to continue tapering via titration at my current pace, he replied with a blunt "No", followed by accusations of attempting to use more of the drug than I was prescribed. Succinctly put, this is where my end of the disagreement began. Therefore, it seems I am under some pressure to reduce the Klonopin to 1.5 mg (currently at 1.9 mg) before the Remeron (7.5 mg).

 

I can't say that I've the physical energy to drive myself to another doctor, possibly a psychiatrist, to have another prescription filled for the Klonopin. The last psychiatrist I went to wanted to directly convert me from Klonopin to Restoril and I was so frightened that I never returned there.

 

In summation, this has been my experience during my absence here. Most importantly, I wanted to thank those of you who offered support, especially without judgement as the insomnia I was experiencing was indeed maddening. I don't know what my future bestows as I cannot drive or work. I have simply taken refuge in the teachings of Papaji and Mooji, realising that I am not merely my mind and instead, am an integral and infinite part of the Universe.

[Wildflower0214]

I feel like hell, and can't manage a decent post. But, I'm glad you are sleeping. I remember your plight back in the late fall. Very happy you are ok. I thought about you on several occasions and hoped you were alright.

[alizarin]

Wildflower,

 

I'm sorry you are not feeling well. I did notice your signature and wanted to congratulate you on your current achievement, particularly your Ativan taper. You have also been through the ringer with Lexapro it seems. I CT it unfortunately and believe it's one of the culprits of my current condition. My mother also died of (pancreatic) cancer in my early 30s, within a month after diagnosis, and I was also her sole caretaker. Witnessing such a rapid deterioration of what was once such a strong and powerful woman was traumatizing to put it mildly. Ironically, at the time, I thought I had endured the worst. Two years later began my hyperthyroidism bout, relentless insomnia, and indeed, I did find myself in a deeper depth of hell. So I can relate a bit to your bio.

 

Yes, in all honesty, I was basically suicidal. Thank you for having thought of me.

 

There is a plethora of small rituals and routines I perform daily to keep me from giving up and I was thinking of perhaps posting them here in case they might help someone else.

 

I've a long, long way to go, often doubt myself, but if I do make it, I intend to devote the rest of my existence (in this body with a name) to helping fellow sufferers. Whether it will be via blogging or Youtube or free Skype sessions, I do not know. I just want to survive/ endure enough to be able to help others.

 

Thanks again.

I feel like hell, and can't manage a decent post. But, I'm glad you are sleeping. I remember your plight back in the late fall. Very happy you are ok. I thought about you on several occasions and hoped you were alright.

[Meimeiquest]

I am so glad to hear of your great accomplishment. I know you were in a horrible place. And I understand your dilemma about the next taper. If you have time, we would love to hear more of how you made it back from the brink.

[alizarin]

Hello Meimeiquest,

 

Thank you for your encouraging words. I basically incorporated an amalgamation of techniques into my daily routine until, apparently, something worked. Physically, disciplined exercise (7 days a week, 1.5 hours) made the most drastic improvement. Mentally, it was metanoia.

I am so glad to hear of your great accomplishment. I know you were in a horrible place. And I understand your dilemma about the next taper. If you have time, we would love to hear more of how you made it back from the brink.

[bluebalu86]

Guys, I read about the hair loss - I experienced SEVERE hair loss on Cipralex, that's why I wanted to stop taking it. The psychiatrist, of course, said that the hair loss is not associated with the Cipralex, but I stopped it (then had to reinstate 5 mg to stabilize) and now I don't have hair loss anymore. So it WAS indeed a side effect of the medication. I guess if it could happen from the Cipralex it could also happen from the Remeron. 

[alizarin]

Hi Blue,

 

I'm sorry about your hair loss with Cipralex. I think that for me, upon hindsight, it was a conglomeration of my thyroid problem along with the Remeron, weight loss, and insomnia. After I began sleeping my hair stopped falling off. I do agree with you in the sense that hair loss can be triggered by these medications as they have so many unimaginable side effects.

 

I'm hoping your reinstatement and taper are going well.

 

Currently, I'm experiencing  the worst bout of lethargy and just absolute exhaustion that it makes it difficult to even type on this keypad. I'm tapering Klonopin at the moment and even at the slowest possible rate, the taper is hell.

 

Good luck and take care,

\

A.

 

 

Guys, I read about the hair loss - I experienced SEVERE hair loss on Cipralex, that's why I wanted to stop taking it. The psychiatrist, of course, said that the hair loss is not associated with the Cipralex, but I stopped it (then had to reinstate 5 mg to stabilize) and now I don't have hair loss anymore. So it WAS indeed a side effect of the medication. I guess if it could happen from the Cipralex it could also happen from the Remeron. 

[Athena]

Hello Alizarin,

 

I just saw your post and just wanted to say that I am happy for you that you can sleep again. Yes life without sleep is torture. Would like to know more about your routines too.

 

We'll get there.

 

A.

[alizarin]

Hi Athena,

 

Thanks for your support and good wishes.

 

As for sleep, I began trying a slew of techniques. Some worked and some didn't. A few main techniques, however, did aid in the elongation of sleep. I have to say that the most noticeable difference was when I started walking for an hour and a half every single afternoon. I have been doing this for over 2 months now and have not missed a single day. I have walked in the pouring run under an umbrella, no problem. I have walked whilst experiencing depression and crying. Right now, I'm experiencing the type of lethargy that makes it difficult to even move objects on a table or perform minimal tasks like doing dishes. Well, I still go walking. I know it's either that or no sleep.

 

My concern at the moment is with my Klonopin taper. I am moving very slowly and using milk titration. I fear that the taper will affect my thyroid symptoms as time progresses and generally just wanted to ask specific math/ benzo taper questions. My cognitive abilities are non compliant, so if a moderator happens to read this, could he/ she please inform me if I may post my questions on the benzo area or will my topic get moved?

 

Anyhow, Athena, if you happen to read this and are able to get some exercise, please do not hesitate. I don't think going off the Remeron (completely) will benefit me at the moment. I need to drop at least 1 mg of Klonopin before I even begin contemplating that. But I have been just slightly chipping at a side of the 7.5 mg Remeron and it hasn't hurt me. The Remeron side effects are no joke but the worst is the sense of lethargy and inability to move. It's physical and I have to fight it with my mind to get some exercise.

 

I don't know what will happen with my K taper but I am nervous about it.

 

Best wishes on your journey, Athena. Thanks for stopping by.

 

-A.

Hello Alizarin,

 

I just saw your post and just wanted to say that I am happy for you that you can sleep again. Yes life without sleep is torture. Would like to know more about your routines too.

 

We'll get there.

 

A.

[alizarin]

This is my current 'sleep regimen', in order of performance. I hope it helps anyone.

1. Exercise (until you break a sweat). Walking in nature is perfect. While on the subject of nature, try to spend some time every day outside. Inhale the fresh air. Deep breathing exercises in nature is a plus as well.

 

2. Organic Chamomile tea. I drink it right before my nightly yoga and meditation. It was brought to my attention that it interferes with GABA so if this concerns you, you might want to skip it.

 

3. Chelated Magnesium and Taurine (combined at night or during your first night's awakening, together they will guide you back to sleep or at least, prevent insomnia-induced anxiety).

4. Yoga for insomnia (search Legs-Up-the-Wall-Pose, quite simple) and yoga for fear and anxiety:

5. 432 hz DNA Healing/Chakra Cleansing Meditation/Relaxation Music:

(You can try higher frequencies but I find that this feels the most comfortable, especially for sleep).

[alizarin]

So it seems I've got a problem. The Remeron is making me really sick. I mean, sick in ways I've never been before. The amount of weight I've gained is impressive considering the fact that I've been naturally thin my entire life but there are other symptoms that are far, far worse. I've never experienced the type of lethargy I'm experiencing on this med. I'm on 7.5 mg because of insomnia, but it's a Catch-22. I'd be tapering this very moment off the Remeron, but I don't have a means to acquire the liquid form. I'm also unsure if I should get off it now or wait until my K taper, but that will take many years. I need to start figuring out a way to get of the Remeron very soon.

[alizarin]

Accidentally missed last night's dry dose of 1 mg Klonopin and the 7.5 mg Remeron so there's been very little sleep and some nausea. I'm trying not to panic, did yoga in bed, meditated when I got out of bed, and just finished some deep breathing exercises.

 

I'm going to place the 7.5 mg Remeron in some water and see how well it dissolves. I might have to halt the K taper and get off this drug first, or at least lower it, as I'm simply not tolerating it in the 'positive' way folks in the benzo boards do. The night of Mother's Day, I had a choking incident that was the result of severe nausea, and I couldn't fall asleep after that.

 

Just my whining for the day, as we all have bad days, and a updated summation of my lousy 'life' on drugs.

[leahy]

I noticed your struggle with Klonopin and Remeron. I have been trying to get off remeron and xanax since December 2014. My pdoc pushes replacing xanax with klonopin because it's got a longer half life. I do keep a journal and recently I noticed that everytime I replace xanax with klonopin I have disatorous results. My sleep is horrific/nonexistant and I wake with a debilitating migraine.It feels like a sever hangover and I don't move much - never mind get out of the house to walk. This migraine renders me helpless 24/7 until I sleep somewhat again.

 

Two days ago I had shaved off a bit of my 30 mg remeron to make 27 mg and took 1 mg of Klonopin thinking I would sleep better. I only woke 13 times so I thought I did sleep but woke with severe headache both days.  I am just trying to figure out what happens. Last night I went back to xanax, apparently slept in spite of waking 24 times, and feel much better today. I am wondering if Klonopin and Remeron are a bad combination for me. I don't know why. Getting off remeron is difficult enough - the klonopin to me seems to exacerbate the problem. Not sleeping can make a person very, very sick. I'm sorry you're going through this. I'm still trying to figure things out...

 

All the best, Leahy

[alizarin]

That's partly because Remeron and Klonopin have interactions.

From Drugs.com

Using clonazePAM together with mirtazapine may increase side effects such as dizziness, drowsiness, and difficulty concentrating. Some people may also experience some impairment in thinking and judgment. You should avoid or limit the use of alcohol while being treated with these medications. Avoid driving or operating hazardous machinery until you know how the medications affect you. It is important to tell your doctor about all other medications you use, including vitamins and herbs. Do not stop using any medications without first talking to your doctor.

 

I was uninformed of these interactions when a sleep specialist gave me the Remeron 10 months ago.

 

Also, it never helped with sleep and I'm having a ridiculous time titrating from the K. At less than 5%.

 

I noticed your struggle with Klonopin and Remeron. I have been trying to get off remeron and xanax since December 2014. My pdoc pushes replacing xanax with klonopin because it's got a longer half life. I do keep a journal and recently I noticed that everytime I replace xanax with klonopin I have disatorous results. My sleep is horrific/nonexistant and I wake with a debilitating migraine.It feels like a sever hangover and I don't move much - never mind get out of the house to walk. This migraine renders me helpless 24/7 until I sleep somewhat again.

 

Two days ago I had shaved off a bit of my 30 mg remeron to make 27 mg and took 1 mg of Klonopin thinking I would sleep better. I only woke 13 times so I thought I did sleep but woke with severe headache both days.  I am just trying to figure out what happens. Last night I went back to xanax, apparently slept in spite of waking 24 times, and feel much better today. I am wondering if Klonopin and Remeron are a bad combination for me. I don't know why. Getting off remeron is difficult enough - the klonopin to me seems to exacerbate the problem. Not sleeping can make a person very, very sick. I'm sorry you're going through this. I'm still trying to figure things out...

 

All the best, Leahy

 

[leahy]

Thank you, Alizarin. Did you have problems with your thyroid before or after you started ADs or afterwards? Thyroid meds seem to appear very often here with psychotropic meds in signatures. I think it is interesting. I had subacute thyroiditis which is distinguished from Grave's by the radioactive iodine test but later left my hypothyroid as a result. The doctors kept asking me what traumatic event prompted the thyroiditis. I thought it was a relationship breakup. I only realized recently that the subacute thyroiditis happened after ADs. Just curious.

 

I think you're right about remeron/klonopin being a bad mix. I'm not taking klonopin anymore. I'll go back to weaning off the xanax slowly. At least I get to sleep somewhat on that. I wish my pdoc had a brain.

[dalsaan]

How are you Alizarin? What's your current thinking on tapering?