drugged Posted August 23, 2019 Author Share Posted August 23, 2019 (edited) Supplements: Flax oil - omega 3 fatty acids Calcium - I don't consume milk Vitamin D - my D levels became low after menopause, even though I was living in southern Arizona and outside a lot. Magnesium Potassium B-complex Vitamin C That's a rough idea. If you want doses I'll have to dig this stuff out. My spouse puts out our supplements for both of us. I've never experienced any adverse reactions to these supplements, not at the amounts I take and I don't take mega doses. I used to do an hour of yoga 6 days a week but not for several years. I'll check the archives to see which poses I can handle - I have old injuries in my upper back and arms that kind of limit me. Edited August 23, 2019 by ChessieCat removed quote 1994 Venlafaxine XR 300mg, 2003 tapered, 2004 off briefly back to 37.5 then 75mg, held, June 2019 up to 150mg, Aug.12 tapered down to 112.5mgs, Oct. 21, 2019 96mg; Dec. 8, 2019 90mg, Jan. 8 2020 81mg, Feb. 4, 75mg; April 17, 2023 37.5mg 2003/2004? Diazepam 10mg/bedtime 2013 Lyrica 300mg to 25mg; April 6, 2020 17mg; April 28, <5mg; May 7, 2020 Lyrica 0 mg! 2013 Tramadol 50mg tablets, 200mg/day divided 2005? Trazodone 50mg bedtime, Feb. 12, 2020 40mg, March 7, 25mg; Oct 1 20mg; 0mg! 2009? Zolpidem 5mg at bedtime. Nov. 9, 2019 Zolpidem 0 mg! 1990? Omeprazole 20mg in morning. 2010? Levothyroxine 75mcg morning 2011? Liothyronine 5mcg morning 1999? Buspirone 30mg twice a day August 2019 15mg once a day, Oct.21, 2019 2.5mg evening Oct. 25, 2019 Buspirone 0 mg! Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus manymoretodays Posted August 23, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted August 23, 2019 (edited) Hi drugged, You are doing great, keeping in mind the move, new climate, new doctor, and financial issues........as well as attending to all the details that we are asking for. You mentioned the cognitive/organizational difficulties and I just want to say that I think you are doing great in this regard........I mean here, online and all. Most likely, not only did the increase of venlafaxine dose throw your CNS/ANS into turmoil.......this current syndrome of WD has too. I mean stress becomes even more stress. And then add in that darn agoraphobia. And if often can feel truly unmanageable. I think you are managing really quite well, all things considered. Are you still going to try a 12 step group, on the ground? And I'm sorry that therapy, with a therapist is now un-affordable. It can take time, however, to find and establish a good relationship and growth experience with a therapist. I mean it sure did for me. I do a lot of mutual peer stuff too.......on the ground, which helps. You might consider some of the online CBT or DBT too, in addition to some of the great stuff that Shep gave you. I'll give you a couple links to look at. Not ideal......I know, as I'm guessing you would like to try and get out more, which of course, presents it's own difficulties now, but here you go: CBT Course: An Introductory Self-Help Course in Cognitive Behaviour Therapy Resources: Centre for Clinical Interventions (PDF modules that you can work through, eg: Depression, Distress Intolerance, Health Anxiety, Low Self-Esteem, Panic Attacks, Perfectionism, Procrastination, Social Anxiety, Worrying) Dialectical Behavior Therapy(DBT) and Radical Acceptance Hope this finds you well enough today. L, P, H, and G, mmt Edited August 23, 2019 by manymoretodays changed color Late 2023- gone to emeritus status, inactive, don't @ me, I can check who I've posted on, and I'm not really here like I used to be......thanks. Started with psycho meds/psychiatric care circa 1988. In retrospect, and on contemplation, situational overwhelm. Rounding up to 30 years of medications(30 medication trials, poly-pharmacy maximum was 3 at one time). 5/28/2015-off Adderal salts 2.5mg. (I had been on that since hospital 10/2014) 12/2015---just holding, holding, holding, with trileptal/oxcarb at 75 mg. 1/2 tab at hs. My last psycho med ever! Tapered @ 10% every 4 weeks, sometimes 2 weeks to 2016 Dec 16, medication free!! Longer signature post here, with current supplements. Herb and alcohol free since 5/15/2016. And.....I quit smoking 11/2021. Lapsed. Redo of quit smoking 9/28/2022. Can you say Hallelujah?(took me long enough)💜 None of my posts are intended as medical advice. Please discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical provider. My success story: Blue skies ahead, clear sailing Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted August 23, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted August 23, 2019 9 hours ago, Shep said: If you're not sensitive to magnesium, you may want to take epsom salt baths to help with muscle pain and headaches. JanCarol sometimes uses a big bucket and does a foot soak. You can also apply magnesium externally. See these posts: Unfortunately the links to the posts in Post #1 just return to Page 1 of the topic not to the specific post (we will try to fix this) But for now: And this is the search result in the topic for spray. And this is the search result in the topic for cream. * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment
drugged Posted August 24, 2019 Author Share Posted August 24, 2019 20 hours ago, manymoretodays said: Hi drugged, You are doing great, keeping in mind the move, new climate, new doctor, and financial issues........as well as attending to all the details that we are asking for. You mentioned the cognitive/organizational difficulties and I just want to say that I think you are doing great in this regard........I mean here, online and all. Most likely, not only did the increase of venlafaxine dose throw your CNS/ANS into turmoil.......this current syndrome of WD has too. I mean stress becomes even more stress. And then add in that darn agoraphobia. And if often can feel truly unmanageable. I think you are managing really quite well, all things considered. Are you still going to try a 12 step group, on the ground? And I'm sorry that therapy, with a therapist is now un-affordable. It can take time, however, to find and establish a good relationship and growth experience with a therapist. I mean it sure did for me. I do a lot of mutual peer stuff too.......on the ground, which helps. You might consider some of the online CBT or DBT too, in addition to some of the great stuff that Shep gave you. I'll give you a couple links to look at. Not ideal......I know, as I'm guessing you would like to try and get out more, which of course, presents it's own difficulties now, but here you go: CBT Course: An Introductory Self-Help Course in Cognitive Behaviour Therapy Resources: Centre for Clinical Interventions (PDF modules that you can work through, eg: Depression, Distress Intolerance, Health Anxiety, Low Self-Esteem, Panic Attacks, Perfectionism, Procrastination, Social Anxiety, Worrying) Dialectical Behavior Therapy(DBT) and Radical Acceptance Hope this finds you well enough today. L, P, H, and G, mmt Hi many, I will be able to see the therapist twice a month. I'd wanted to do once a week but my copay is too high. I've an appointment with her September 4th. This Monday, August 26th, I'll be meeting with my new primary care physician who has an interest in mental health issues and advocacy. He also is more interested in whole mind-body health. Keeping my fingers crossed that he'll be helpful. The 12-step group is still on my to-do list. I need to feel less physical ill to drag myself out for that. Right now just feeling pretty hopeless. 1994 Venlafaxine XR 300mg, 2003 tapered, 2004 off briefly back to 37.5 then 75mg, held, June 2019 up to 150mg, Aug.12 tapered down to 112.5mgs, Oct. 21, 2019 96mg; Dec. 8, 2019 90mg, Jan. 8 2020 81mg, Feb. 4, 75mg; April 17, 2023 37.5mg 2003/2004? Diazepam 10mg/bedtime 2013 Lyrica 300mg to 25mg; April 6, 2020 17mg; April 28, <5mg; May 7, 2020 Lyrica 0 mg! 2013 Tramadol 50mg tablets, 200mg/day divided 2005? Trazodone 50mg bedtime, Feb. 12, 2020 40mg, March 7, 25mg; Oct 1 20mg; 0mg! 2009? Zolpidem 5mg at bedtime. Nov. 9, 2019 Zolpidem 0 mg! 1990? Omeprazole 20mg in morning. 2010? Levothyroxine 75mcg morning 2011? Liothyronine 5mcg morning 1999? Buspirone 30mg twice a day August 2019 15mg once a day, Oct.21, 2019 2.5mg evening Oct. 25, 2019 Buspirone 0 mg! Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted August 24, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted August 24, 2019 Just now, drugged said: This Monday, August 26th, I'll be meeting with my new primary care physician who has an interest in mental health issues and advocacy. He also is more interested in whole mind-body health. Keeping my fingers crossed that he'll be helpful. If they make any suggestions about changing, stopping, reducing your drugs, please post about them here before making any changes. * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment
drugged Posted August 24, 2019 Author Share Posted August 24, 2019 3 hours ago, ChessieCat said: If they make any suggestions about changing, stopping, reducing your drugs, please post about them here before making any changes. I'm not making any changes even if they suggest it. I'm planning on explaining my situation and what I'm currently doing and asking that they support me in the decisions I'm making. I failed myself back when I agreed to go on an antidepressant in the first place and then all the added meds. That cost me more than a third of my life. Not making that mistake again. 1994 Venlafaxine XR 300mg, 2003 tapered, 2004 off briefly back to 37.5 then 75mg, held, June 2019 up to 150mg, Aug.12 tapered down to 112.5mgs, Oct. 21, 2019 96mg; Dec. 8, 2019 90mg, Jan. 8 2020 81mg, Feb. 4, 75mg; April 17, 2023 37.5mg 2003/2004? Diazepam 10mg/bedtime 2013 Lyrica 300mg to 25mg; April 6, 2020 17mg; April 28, <5mg; May 7, 2020 Lyrica 0 mg! 2013 Tramadol 50mg tablets, 200mg/day divided 2005? Trazodone 50mg bedtime, Feb. 12, 2020 40mg, March 7, 25mg; Oct 1 20mg; 0mg! 2009? Zolpidem 5mg at bedtime. Nov. 9, 2019 Zolpidem 0 mg! 1990? Omeprazole 20mg in morning. 2010? Levothyroxine 75mcg morning 2011? Liothyronine 5mcg morning 1999? Buspirone 30mg twice a day August 2019 15mg once a day, Oct.21, 2019 2.5mg evening Oct. 25, 2019 Buspirone 0 mg! Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted August 24, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted August 24, 2019 You might find it helpful to write a script and rehearse what you are going to say so that you can get what you need to taper. Be calm, gentle but assertive. You are the customer, it is your body. Use words like I'd like to try this, or I'd prefer to do it this way. If a suggestion is made that you don't want to follow, say I'd like to think about it before making a decision. how-to-talk-to-a-doctor-about-tapering-and-withdrawal-what-to-expect * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment
drugged Posted August 26, 2019 Author Share Posted August 26, 2019 (edited) Topic title: New doctor, new diagnosis, new drug ... Not really sure where to post this. Went to see a new PCP. First thing he tries to do? Put me on another gabapentinoid (I told him I had terrible side effects from pregabalin) for the fibro and try me on a different antidepressant. Because fibro and depression are for life. When I tried to tell him about some of the side effects of the AD he immediately suggests I was misdiagnosed and I'm actually bipolar! I told him the only episode of hypomania in my entire life started a couple weeks after a doc put me on Prozac and ended when I came off the drug. I offered him literature on the long-term effects of ADs and he refused it point blank and referred to those of us who find ourselves on this and similar forums as "those people." I ended up stating my intention to slowly taper off as many of the drugs in the cocktail as I could, one-by-one, starting with the AD. Upshot is I'm still looking for a decent doctor. Edited August 26, 2019 by ChessieCat added topic title 1994 Venlafaxine XR 300mg, 2003 tapered, 2004 off briefly back to 37.5 then 75mg, held, June 2019 up to 150mg, Aug.12 tapered down to 112.5mgs, Oct. 21, 2019 96mg; Dec. 8, 2019 90mg, Jan. 8 2020 81mg, Feb. 4, 75mg; April 17, 2023 37.5mg 2003/2004? Diazepam 10mg/bedtime 2013 Lyrica 300mg to 25mg; April 6, 2020 17mg; April 28, <5mg; May 7, 2020 Lyrica 0 mg! 2013 Tramadol 50mg tablets, 200mg/day divided 2005? Trazodone 50mg bedtime, Feb. 12, 2020 40mg, March 7, 25mg; Oct 1 20mg; 0mg! 2009? Zolpidem 5mg at bedtime. Nov. 9, 2019 Zolpidem 0 mg! 1990? Omeprazole 20mg in morning. 2010? Levothyroxine 75mcg morning 2011? Liothyronine 5mcg morning 1999? Buspirone 30mg twice a day August 2019 15mg once a day, Oct.21, 2019 2.5mg evening Oct. 25, 2019 Buspirone 0 mg! Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted August 26, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted August 26, 2019 Unfortunately this is not uncommon. the-worst-of-doctors-threadstatements-that-defy-belief I can't find it at this time, but member nz11 found a statement in the DSM (my words) something like once a person has been on a psychiatric drug that a new diagnosis can't be made. nz11 did a lot of checking of the DSM. This one is about the change in diagnosing bereavement depression: On 1/3/2015 at 8:50 AM, nz11 said: In DSM -V bereavement is a depressive disorder if it has lasted more than 2 weeks,... In DSM-IV it was 2 months ..., In DSM -III it was 1 year,.....(p195) * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment
drugged Posted August 27, 2019 Author Share Posted August 27, 2019 Yesterday morning my husband suddenly developed severe vertigo getting out of bed. I had to take him to urgent care while I auditioned my latest doctor. He's not able to do much for himself right now and I don't know how long this is going to last, hopefully not too long. I had started a daily symptom tracking but I've gotten completely off track so I'm starting over this morning. Some of the symptoms I'm having now are likely related to the additional stress - my spouse has tended to be more my caretaker as he's always been super healthy and in great shape. I can take care of most things but it takes me longer, tires me out more, and can increase my pain level. 1994 Venlafaxine XR 300mg, 2003 tapered, 2004 off briefly back to 37.5 then 75mg, held, June 2019 up to 150mg, Aug.12 tapered down to 112.5mgs, Oct. 21, 2019 96mg; Dec. 8, 2019 90mg, Jan. 8 2020 81mg, Feb. 4, 75mg; April 17, 2023 37.5mg 2003/2004? Diazepam 10mg/bedtime 2013 Lyrica 300mg to 25mg; April 6, 2020 17mg; April 28, <5mg; May 7, 2020 Lyrica 0 mg! 2013 Tramadol 50mg tablets, 200mg/day divided 2005? Trazodone 50mg bedtime, Feb. 12, 2020 40mg, March 7, 25mg; Oct 1 20mg; 0mg! 2009? Zolpidem 5mg at bedtime. Nov. 9, 2019 Zolpidem 0 mg! 1990? Omeprazole 20mg in morning. 2010? Levothyroxine 75mcg morning 2011? Liothyronine 5mcg morning 1999? Buspirone 30mg twice a day August 2019 15mg once a day, Oct.21, 2019 2.5mg evening Oct. 25, 2019 Buspirone 0 mg! Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Shep Posted August 27, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted August 27, 2019 Drugged, I'm sorry your husband is ill. You may want to keep track either on paper or on computer with your drugs and supplements and your symptoms as a way of keeping yourself organized. Perhaps placing an alarm on your phone so you remember to take everything on time. It's easy to skip pills when your routine has changed and you go from being the one taken care of to the caretaker. I hope your husband quickly recovers. Please let us know how you're doing over the coming days. Link to comment
drugged Posted August 27, 2019 Author Share Posted August 27, 2019 My husband is feeling much better today but is taking one more day off work. I'm doing okay, just really tired. Trying to decide if I really want to stick with this doctor or go back to the nurse practitioner I had before. She, at least, was less arrogant and condescending. A doctor who's not even willing to read primary research articles because they might contradict the 'standard of care' as defined by his computer program (he showed it to me) is a real turn off for me. 1994 Venlafaxine XR 300mg, 2003 tapered, 2004 off briefly back to 37.5 then 75mg, held, June 2019 up to 150mg, Aug.12 tapered down to 112.5mgs, Oct. 21, 2019 96mg; Dec. 8, 2019 90mg, Jan. 8 2020 81mg, Feb. 4, 75mg; April 17, 2023 37.5mg 2003/2004? Diazepam 10mg/bedtime 2013 Lyrica 300mg to 25mg; April 6, 2020 17mg; April 28, <5mg; May 7, 2020 Lyrica 0 mg! 2013 Tramadol 50mg tablets, 200mg/day divided 2005? Trazodone 50mg bedtime, Feb. 12, 2020 40mg, March 7, 25mg; Oct 1 20mg; 0mg! 2009? Zolpidem 5mg at bedtime. Nov. 9, 2019 Zolpidem 0 mg! 1990? Omeprazole 20mg in morning. 2010? Levothyroxine 75mcg morning 2011? Liothyronine 5mcg morning 1999? Buspirone 30mg twice a day August 2019 15mg once a day, Oct.21, 2019 2.5mg evening Oct. 25, 2019 Buspirone 0 mg! Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Rhiannon Posted August 27, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted August 27, 2019 Hi there-- You're getting terrific support and advice from the mods here so I'm not going to even attempt to contribute there. (Except to say that this level of expertise and support would cost thousands of dollars if it were being given by actual physicians, as it should be. Grrr. Thank Goddess for the volunteers here.) I just wanted to offer you a long-distance virtual handshake, as someone around your age who has also been polydrugged. And some encouragement and hope, maybe. If you take this on methodically and follow the advice here, I think you will see your life improve considerably, but it's going to take time, lots of it. It will be well worth the time, however, and time is going to pass regardless, so you might as well be moving slowly in a direction of "better," right? I suspect you and I both know about "just hunker down and survive." It will be better than that. But not quickly. When I first started my journey my goal was "to get down to the lowest possible dose of the fewest possible meds that I can be stable and okay on--and to not get fired from my job." I think somewhere along the way I have added "and to be able to actually enjoy being alive, sometimes." I think I am making progress on both of those fronts. It's been 9 years since I started. Yesterday, even though I'm having some withdrawal symptoms from coming off citalopram at last (after 9 years of intermittent tapering)--I was visiting my granddaughter. She was playing in the yard, I was sitting on the front steps. I leaned back and looked up at the sky. The first scents of fall were in the air, the sky was deep blue, there were bees buzzing in the lavender, my granddaughter was telling herself a story as she stepped across the stepping stones, and in that moment I felt a sweet sense of joy and contentment. I said a little "thank you" and breathed deeply and just let myself feel it. I do not take those moments for granted. Those are my stepping stones as I travel through the days, weeks, months, years. The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. Hang in there. Started on Prozac and Xanax in 1992 for PTSD after an assault. One drug led to more, the usual story. Got sicker and sicker, but believed I needed the drugs for my "underlying disease". Long story...lost everything. Life savings, home, physical and mental health, relationships, friendships, ability to work, everything. Amitryptiline, Prozac, bupropion, buspirone, flurazepam, diazepam, alprazolam, Paxil, citalopram, lamotrigine, gabapentin...probably more I've forgotten. Started multidrug taper in Feb 2010. Doing a very slow microtaper, down to low doses now and feeling SO much better, getting my old personality and my brain back! Able to work full time, have a full social life, and cope with stress better than ever. Not perfect, but much better. After 23 lost years. Big Pharma has a lot to answer for. And "medicine for profit" is just not a great idea. Feb 15 2010: 300 mg Neurontin 200 Lamictal 10 Celexa 0.65 Xanax and 5 mg Ambien Feb 10 2014: 62 Lamictal 1.1 Celexa 0.135 Xanax 1.8 Valium Feb 10 2015: 50 Lamictal 0.875 Celexa 0.11 Xanax 1.5 Valium Feb 15 2016: 47.5 Lamictal 0.75 Celexa 0.0875 Xanax 1.42 Valium 2/12/20 12 0.045 0.007 1 May 2021 7 0.01 0.0037 1 Feb 2022 6 0!!! 0.00167 0.98 2.5 mg Ambien Oct 2022 4.5 mg Lamictal (off Celexa, off Xanax) 0.95 Valium Ambien, 1/4 to 1/2 of a 5 mg tablet I'm not a doctor. Any advice I give is just my civilian opinion. Link to comment
drugged Posted August 28, 2019 Author Share Posted August 28, 2019 (edited) So the doctor I saw yesterday agreed (I thought he did anyway) to leave my prescriptions as they are for the time being but when I picked up my refills from the pharmacy he'd only prescribed one 5mg diazepam/day. That's a third of what I've been taking. I called his office and pointed out that changing the dose of a benzo that I'd been on for over 15 years by two-thirds would throw me into benzo withdrawal. This is the second healthcare practitioner in this area to prescribe a massive cut in my benzo script. The first one cut it in half. Neither practitioner discussed the cut with me before doing it. I'm extremely angry and very stressed out at this point. Yesterday's doctor also referred to me as "one of those women" in reference to the childhood abuse I'd experienced. Edited August 28, 2019 by drugged Typo 1994 Venlafaxine XR 300mg, 2003 tapered, 2004 off briefly back to 37.5 then 75mg, held, June 2019 up to 150mg, Aug.12 tapered down to 112.5mgs, Oct. 21, 2019 96mg; Dec. 8, 2019 90mg, Jan. 8 2020 81mg, Feb. 4, 75mg; April 17, 2023 37.5mg 2003/2004? Diazepam 10mg/bedtime 2013 Lyrica 300mg to 25mg; April 6, 2020 17mg; April 28, <5mg; May 7, 2020 Lyrica 0 mg! 2013 Tramadol 50mg tablets, 200mg/day divided 2005? Trazodone 50mg bedtime, Feb. 12, 2020 40mg, March 7, 25mg; Oct 1 20mg; 0mg! 2009? Zolpidem 5mg at bedtime. Nov. 9, 2019 Zolpidem 0 mg! 1990? Omeprazole 20mg in morning. 2010? Levothyroxine 75mcg morning 2011? Liothyronine 5mcg morning 1999? Buspirone 30mg twice a day August 2019 15mg once a day, Oct.21, 2019 2.5mg evening Oct. 25, 2019 Buspirone 0 mg! Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Shep Posted August 29, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted August 29, 2019 On 8/28/2019 at 7:12 AM, drugged said: So the doctor I saw yesterday agreed (I thought he did anyway) to leave my prescriptions as they are for the time being but when I picked up my refills from the pharmacy he'd only prescribed one 5mg diazepam/day. That's a third of what I've been taking. I called his office and pointed out that changing the dose of a benzo that I'd been on for over 15 years by two-thirds would throw me into benzo withdrawal. This is the second healthcare practitioner in this area to prescribe a massive cut in my benzo script. The first one cut it in half. Neither practitioner discussed the cut with me before doing it. I'm extremely angry and very stressed out at this point. How many 5 mg pills did he prescribe? How many refills do you have with this prescription? Please check out these links and see if there's a recommended doctor near you, even if it requires a bit of a drive. There are some doctors who use Skype. You may also want to include therapists who are listed on the Mad in America site, as they may know of benzo knowledgeable doctors in your area. Mad in America - Provider Directory Recommended doctors, therapists, and clinics On 8/28/2019 at 7:12 AM, drugged said: Yesterday's doctor also referred to me as "one of those women" in reference to the childhood abuse I'd experienced. This is the sad reality of our dysfunctional healthcare system. Please don't take this personally. Let it motivate you to find a better doctor. Please let us know what you find out after you have a chance to read over the links and make some calls. Link to comment
drugged Posted August 29, 2019 Author Share Posted August 29, 2019 I finally got the prescription corrected. I take 15mgs/day, two 5mgs at bedtime and one in the morning. I was given 30 - 5mg tablets for the month. No refills allowed for benzos anymore. 1994 Venlafaxine XR 300mg, 2003 tapered, 2004 off briefly back to 37.5 then 75mg, held, June 2019 up to 150mg, Aug.12 tapered down to 112.5mgs, Oct. 21, 2019 96mg; Dec. 8, 2019 90mg, Jan. 8 2020 81mg, Feb. 4, 75mg; April 17, 2023 37.5mg 2003/2004? Diazepam 10mg/bedtime 2013 Lyrica 300mg to 25mg; April 6, 2020 17mg; April 28, <5mg; May 7, 2020 Lyrica 0 mg! 2013 Tramadol 50mg tablets, 200mg/day divided 2005? Trazodone 50mg bedtime, Feb. 12, 2020 40mg, March 7, 25mg; Oct 1 20mg; 0mg! 2009? Zolpidem 5mg at bedtime. Nov. 9, 2019 Zolpidem 0 mg! 1990? Omeprazole 20mg in morning. 2010? Levothyroxine 75mcg morning 2011? Liothyronine 5mcg morning 1999? Buspirone 30mg twice a day August 2019 15mg once a day, Oct.21, 2019 2.5mg evening Oct. 25, 2019 Buspirone 0 mg! Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Shep Posted September 2, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted September 2, 2019 I'm glad you were able to get your prescription refilled. How are you feeling? Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted September 2, 2019 Administrator Share Posted September 2, 2019 drugged, I am sorry you are so uncomfortable. On 8/17/2019 at 3:29 AM, ChessieCat said: From http://www.drugs.com/drug_interactions.html Drug Interaction Report This report displays the potential drug interactions for the following 10 drugs: Lyrica (pregabalin) buspirone venlafaxine diazepam tramadol trazodone zolpidem omeprazole levothyroxine liothyronine Major (8) Moderate (13) Minor (3) Food (8) Therapeutic Duplication (5) Interactions between your drugs Major busPIRone traMADol Applies to: buspirone, tramadol Using narcotic pain or cough medications together with other medications that also cause central nervous system depression can lead to serious side effects including respiratory distress, coma, and even death. Talk to your doctor if you have any questions or concerns. Your doctor may be able to prescribe alternatives that do not interact, or you may need a dose adjustment or more frequent monitoring to safely use both medications. Do not drink alcohol or self-medicate with these medications without your doctor's approval, and do not exceed the doses or frequency and duration of use prescribed by your doctor. Also, you should avoid driving or operating hazardous machinery until you know how these medications affect you. It is important to tell your doctor about all other medications you use, including vitamins and herbs. Do not stop using any medications without first talking to your doctor. Major busPIRone venlafaxine Applies to: buspirone, venlafaxine Using busPIRone together with venlafaxine can increase the risk of a rare but serious condition called the serotonin syndrome, which may include symptoms such as confusion, hallucination, seizure, extreme changes in blood pressure, increased heart rate, fever, excessive sweating, shivering or shaking, blurred vision, muscle spasm or stiffness, tremor, incoordination, stomach cramp, nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea. Severe cases may result in coma and even death. You should seek immediate medical attention if you experience these symptoms while taking the medications. Talk to your doctor if you have any questions or concerns. Your doctor may already be aware of the risks, but has determined that this is the best course of treatment for you and has taken appropriate precautions and is monitoring you closely for any potential complications. It is important to tell your doctor about all other medications you use, including vitamins and herbs. Do not stop using any medications without first talking to your doctor. Major busPIRone traZODone Applies to: buspirone, trazodone Using busPIRone together with traZODone can increase the risk of a rare but serious condition called the serotonin syndrome, which may include symptoms such as confusion, hallucination, seizure, extreme changes in blood pressure, increased heart rate, fever, excessive sweating, shivering or shaking, blurred vision, muscle spasm or stiffness, tremor, incoordination, stomach cramp, nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea. Severe cases may result in coma and even death. You should seek immediate medical attention if you experience these symptoms while taking the medications. Talk to your doctor if you have any questions or concerns. Your doctor may already be aware of the risks, but has determined that this is the best course of treatment for you and has taken appropriate precautions and is monitoring you closely for any potential complications. It is important to tell your doctor about all other medications you use, including vitamins and herbs. Do not stop using any medications without first talking to your doctor. Major zolpidem traMADol Applies to: zolpidem, tramadol Using narcotic pain or cough medications together with other medications that also cause central nervous system depression can lead to serious side effects including respiratory distress, coma, and even death. Talk to your doctor if you have any questions or concerns. Your doctor may be able to prescribe alternatives that do not interact, or you may need a dose adjustment or more frequent monitoring to safely use both medications. Do not drink alcohol or self-medicate with these medications without your doctor's approval, and do not exceed the doses or frequency and duration of use prescribed by your doctor. Also, you should avoid driving or operating hazardous machinery until you know how these medications affect you. It is important to tell your doctor about all other medications you use, including vitamins and herbs. Do not stop using any medications without first talking to your doctor. Major diazePAM traMADol Applies to: diazepam, tramadol Using narcotic pain or cough medications together with other medications that also cause central nervous system depression can lead to serious side effects including respiratory distress, coma, and even death. Talk to your doctor if you have any questions or concerns. Your doctor may be able to prescribe alternatives that do not interact, or you may need a dose adjustment or more frequent monitoring to safely use both medications. Do not drink alcohol or self-medicate with these medications without your doctor's approval, and do not exceed the doses or frequency and duration of use prescribed by your doctor. Also, you should avoid driving or operating hazardous machinery until you know how these medications affect you. It is important to tell your doctor about all other medications you use, including vitamins and herbs. Do not stop using any medications without first talking to your doctor. Major traZODone traMADol Applies to: trazodone, tramadol Talk to your doctor before using traMADol together with traZODone. Combining these medications can increase the risk of a rare but serious condition called the serotonin syndrome, which may include symptoms such as confusion, hallucination, seizure, extreme changes in blood pressure, increased heart rate, fever, excessive sweating, blurred vision, muscle spasm or stiffness, tremor, stomach cramp, nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea. Severe cases may result in coma and even death. You should contact your doctor immediately if you experience these symptoms while taking the medications. Using traMADol with traZODone may also increase the risk of seizures not related to the serotonin syndrome. The interaction may be more likely if you are elderly, undergoing alcohol or drug withdrawal, have a history of seizures, or have a condition affecting the central nervous system such as a brain tumor or head trauma. You should avoid or limit the use of alcohol while being treated with these medications. Avoid driving or operating hazardous machinery until you know how the medications affect you. It is important to tell your doctor about all other medications you use, including vitamins and herbs. Do not stop using any medications without first talking to your doctor. Major venlafaxine traMADol Applies to: venlafaxine, tramadol Talk to your doctor before using traMADol together with venlafaxine. Combining these medications can increase the risk of a rare but serious condition called the serotonin syndrome, which may include symptoms such as confusion, hallucination, seizure, extreme changes in blood pressure, increased heart rate, fever, excessive sweating, blurred vision, muscle spasm or stiffness, tremor, stomach cramp, nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea. Severe cases may result in coma and even death. You should contact your doctor immediately if you experience these symptoms while taking the medications. Using traMADol with venlafaxine may also increase the risk of seizures not related to the serotonin syndrome. The interaction may be more likely if you are elderly, undergoing alcohol or drug withdrawal, have a history of seizures, or have a condition affecting the central nervous system such as a brain tumor or head trauma. You should avoid or limit the use of alcohol while being treated with these medications. Avoid driving or operating hazardous machinery until you know how the medications affect you. It is important to tell your doctor about all other medications you use, including vitamins and herbs. Do not stop using any medications without first talking to your doctor. Major traZODone venlafaxine Applies to: trazodone, venlafaxine Using traZODone together with venlafaxine can increase the risk of a rare but serious condition called the serotonin syndrome, which may include symptoms such as confusion, hallucination, seizure, extreme changes in blood pressure, increased heart rate, fever, excessive sweating, shivering or shaking, blurred vision, muscle spasm or stiffness, tremor, incoordination, stomach cramp, nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea. Severe cases may result in coma and even death. You should seek immediate medical attention if you experience these symptoms while taking the medications. Talk to your doctor if you have any questions or concerns. Your doctor may already be aware of the risks, but has determined that this is the best course of treatment for you and has taken appropriate precautions and is monitoring you closely for any potential complications. It is important to tell your doctor about all other medications you use, including vitamins and herbs. Do not stop using any medications without first talking to your doctor. Moderate traZODone pregabalin Applies to: trazodone, Lyrica (pregabalin) Using traZODone together with pregabalin may increase side effects such as dizziness, drowsiness, confusion, and difficulty concentrating. Some people, especially the elderly, may also experience impairment in thinking, judgment, and motor coordination. You should avoid or limit the use of alcohol while being treated with these medications. Also avoid activities requiring mental alertness such as driving or operating hazardous machinery until you know how the medications affect you. Talk to your doctor if you have any questions or concerns. It is important to tell your doctor about all other medications you use, including vitamins and herbs. Do not stop using any medications without first talking to your doctor. Moderate diazePAM omeprazole Applies to: diazepam, omeprazole Omeprazole may increase the blood levels and effects of diazePAM. This can increase the risk of side effects including excessive drowsiness and breathing difficulties. You may need a dose adjustment or more frequent monitoring by your doctor to safely use both medications. It is important to tell your doctor about all other medications you use, including vitamins and herbs. Do not stop using any medications without first talking to your doctor. Moderate zolpidem venlafaxine Applies to: zolpidem, venlafaxine Using zolpidem together with venlafaxine may increase side effects such as dizziness, drowsiness, confusion, and difficulty concentrating. Some people, especially the elderly, may also experience impairment in thinking, judgment, and motor coordination. You should avoid or limit the use of alcohol while being treated with these medications. Also avoid activities requiring mental alertness such as driving or operating hazardous machinery until you know how the medications affect you. Talk to your doctor if you have any questions or concerns. It is important to tell your doctor about all other medications you use, including vitamins and herbs. Do not stop using any medications without first talking to your doctor. Moderate zolpidem pregabalin Applies to: zolpidem, Lyrica (pregabalin) Using zolpidem together with pregabalin may increase side effects such as dizziness, drowsiness, confusion, and difficulty concentrating. Some people, especially the elderly, may also experience impairment in thinking, judgment, and motor coordination. You should avoid or limit the use of alcohol while being treated with these medications. Also avoid activities requiring mental alertness such as driving or operating hazardous machinery until you know how the medications affect you. Talk to your doctor if you have any questions or concerns. It is important to tell your doctor about all other medications you use, including vitamins and herbs. Do not stop using any medications without first talking to your doctor. Moderate venlafaxine pregabalin Applies to: venlafaxine, Lyrica (pregabalin) Using venlafaxine together with pregabalin may increase side effects such as dizziness, drowsiness, confusion, and difficulty concentrating. Some people, especially the elderly, may also experience impairment in thinking, judgment, and motor coordination. You should avoid or limit the use of alcohol while being treated with these medications. Also avoid activities requiring mental alertness such as driving or operating hazardous machinery until you know how the medications affect you. Talk to your doctor if you have any questions or concerns. It is important to tell your doctor about all other medications you use, including vitamins and herbs. Do not stop using any medications without first talking to your doctor. Moderate traZODone zolpidem Applies to: trazodone, zolpidem Using traZODone together with zolpidem may increase side effects such as dizziness, drowsiness, confusion, and difficulty concentrating. Some people, especially the elderly, may also experience impairment in thinking, judgment, and motor coordination. You should avoid or limit the use of alcohol while being treated with these medications. Also avoid activities requiring mental alertness such as driving or operating hazardous machinery until you know how the medications affect you. Talk to your doctor if you have any questions or concerns. It is important to tell your doctor about all other medications you use, including vitamins and herbs. Do not stop using any medications without first talking to your doctor. Moderate diazePAM pregabalin Applies to: diazepam, Lyrica (pregabalin) Using diazePAM together with pregabalin may increase side effects such as dizziness, drowsiness, confusion, and difficulty concentrating. Some people, especially the elderly, may also experience impairment in thinking, judgment, and motor coordination. You should avoid or limit the use of alcohol while being treated with these medications. Also avoid activities requiring mental alertness such as driving or operating hazardous machinery until you know how the medications affect you. Talk to your doctor if you have any questions or concerns. It is important to tell your doctor about all other medications you use, including vitamins and herbs. Do not stop using any medications without first talking to your doctor. Moderate traMADol pregabalin Applies to: tramadol, Lyrica (pregabalin) Using traMADol together with pregabalin may increase side effects such as dizziness, drowsiness, confusion, and difficulty concentrating. Some people, especially the elderly, may also experience impairment in thinking, judgment, and motor coordination. You should avoid or limit the use of alcohol while being treated with these medications. Also avoid activities requiring mental alertness such as driving or operating hazardous machinery until you know how the medications affect you. Talk to your doctor if you have any questions or concerns. It is important to tell your doctor about all other medications you use, including vitamins and herbs. Do not stop using any medications without first talking to your doctor. Moderate diazePAM traZODone Applies to: diazepam, trazodone Using diazePAM together with traZODone may increase side effects such as dizziness, drowsiness, confusion, and difficulty concentrating. Some people, especially the elderly, may also experience impairment in thinking, judgment, and motor coordination. You should avoid or limit the use of alcohol while being treated with these medications. Also avoid activities requiring mental alertness such as driving or operating hazardous machinery until you know how the medications affect you. Talk to your doctor if you have any questions or concerns. It is important to tell your doctor about all other medications you use, including vitamins and herbs. Do not stop using any medications without first talking to your doctor. Moderate busPIRone pregabalin Applies to: buspirone, Lyrica (pregabalin) Using busPIRone together with pregabalin may increase side effects such as dizziness, drowsiness, confusion, and difficulty concentrating. Some people, especially the elderly, may also experience impairment in thinking, judgment, and motor coordination. You should avoid or limit the use of alcohol while being treated with these medications. Also avoid activities requiring mental alertness such as driving or operating hazardous machinery until you know how the medications affect you. Talk to your doctor if you have any questions or concerns. It is important to tell your doctor about all other medications you use, including vitamins and herbs. Do not stop using any medications without first talking to your doctor. Moderate busPIRone zolpidem Applies to: buspirone, zolpidem Using busPIRone together with zolpidem may increase side effects such as dizziness, drowsiness, confusion, and difficulty concentrating. Some people, especially the elderly, may also experience impairment in thinking, judgment, and motor coordination. You should avoid or limit the use of alcohol while being treated with these medications. Also avoid activities requiring mental alertness such as driving or operating hazardous machinery until you know how the medications affect you. Talk to your doctor if you have any questions or concerns. It is important to tell your doctor about all other medications you use, including vitamins and herbs. Do not stop using any medications without first talking to your doctor. Moderate diazePAM zolpidem Applies to: diazepam, zolpidem Using diazePAM together with zolpidem may increase side effects such as dizziness, drowsiness, confusion, and difficulty concentrating. Some people, especially the elderly, may also experience impairment in thinking, judgment, and motor coordination. You should avoid or limit the use of alcohol while being treated with these medications. Also avoid activities requiring mental alertness such as driving or operating hazardous machinery until you know how the medications affect you. Talk to your doctor if you have any questions or concerns. It is important to tell your doctor about all other medications you use, including vitamins and herbs. Do not stop using any medications without first talking to your doctor. Moderate diazePAM venlafaxine Applies to: diazepam, venlafaxine Using diazePAM together with venlafaxine may increase side effects such as dizziness, drowsiness, confusion, and difficulty concentrating. Some people, especially the elderly, may also experience impairment in thinking, judgment, and motor coordination. You should avoid or limit the use of alcohol while being treated with these medications. Also avoid activities requiring mental alertness such as driving or operating hazardous machinery until you know how the medications affect you. Talk to your doctor if you have any questions or concerns. It is important to tell your doctor about all other medications you use, including vitamins and herbs. Do not stop using any medications without first talking to your doctor. Minor traZODone liothyronine Applies to: trazodone, liothyronine Consumer information for this minor interaction is not currently available. Some minor drug interactions may not be clinically relevant in all patients. Minor drug interactions do not usually cause harm or require a change in therapy. However, your healthcare provider can determine if adjustments to your medications are needed. Minor levothyroxine traZODone Applies to: levothyroxine, trazodone Consumer information for this minor interaction is not currently available. Some minor drug interactions may not be clinically relevant in all patients. Minor drug interactions do not usually cause harm or require a change in therapy. However, your healthcare provider can determine if adjustments to your medications are needed. Minor omeprazole traZODone Applies to: omeprazole, trazodone Consumer information for this minor interaction is not currently available. Some minor drug interactions may not be clinically relevant in all patients. Minor drug interactions do not usually cause harm or require a change in therapy. However, your healthcare provider can determine if adjustments to your medications are needed. Drug and food interactions Moderate diazePAM food Applies to: diazepam Grapefruit and grapefruit juice may interact with diazePAM and lead to potentially dangerous side effects. Discuss the use of grapefruit products with your doctor. Do not increase or decrease the amount of grapefruit products in your diet without first talking to your doctor. Do not drink alcohol while taking diazePAM. This medication can increase the effects of alcohol. You may feel more drowsy, dizzy, or tired if you take diazePAM with alcohol. Talk to your doctor or pharmacist if you have any questions or concerns. Moderate busPIRone food Applies to: buspirone You should avoid the use of alcohol while being treated with busPIRone. Alcohol can increase the nervous system side effects of busPIRone such as dizziness, drowsiness, and difficulty concentrating. Some people may also experience impairment in thinking and judgment. Patients receiving busPIRone should preferably avoid the consumption of large amounts of grapefruits and grapefruit juice. If this is not possible, the busPIRone dose should be taken at least 2 hours before or 8 hours after grapefruit or grapefruit juice. Large amounts of grapefruit and grapefruit juice may cause increased levels of busPIRone in your body. This can lead to increased adverse effects such as drowsiness. Talk to your doctor or pharmacist if you have any questions or concerns. Moderate levothyroxine food Applies to: levothyroxine The timing of meals relative to your levothyroxine dose can affect absorption of the medication. Therefore, levothyroxine should be taken on a consistent schedule with regard to time of day and relation to meals to avoid large fluctuations in blood levels, which may alter its effects. In addition, absorption of levothyroxine may be decreased by foods such as soybean flour, cotton seed meal, walnuts, dietary fiber, calcium, and calcium fortified juices. These foods should be avoided within several hours of dosing if possible. It is important to tell your doctor about all other medications you use, including vitamins and herbs. Do not stop using any medications without first talking to your doctor. Moderate traZODone food Applies to: trazodone Alcohol can increase the nervous system side effects of traZODone such as dizziness, drowsiness, and difficulty concentrating. Some people may also experience impairment in thinking and judgment. You should avoid or limit the use of alcohol while being treated with traZODone. Do not use more than the recommended dose of traZODone, and avoid activities requiring mental alertness such as driving or operating hazardous machinery until you know how the medication affects you. Talk to your doctor or pharmacist if you have any questions or concerns. Moderate zolpidem food Applies to: zolpidem You should avoid the use of alcohol while being treated with zolpidem. Alcohol can increase the nervous system side effects of zolpidem such as dizziness, drowsiness, and difficulty concentrating. Some people may also experience impairment in thinking and judgment. Taking zolpidem with food may delay the onset of sleep. For faster sleep onset, zolpidem should not be taken with or immediately after a meal. This will make it easier for your body to absorb the medication. Talk to your doctor or pharmacist if you have any questions or concerns. Moderate venlafaxine food Applies to: venlafaxine Alcohol can increase the nervous system side effects of venlafaxine such as dizziness, drowsiness, and difficulty concentrating. Some people may also experience impairment in thinking and judgment. You should avoid or limit the use of alcohol while being treated with venlafaxine. Do not use more than the recommended dose of venlafaxine, and avoid activities requiring mental alertness such as driving or operating hazardous machinery until you know how the medication affects you. Talk to your doctor or pharmacist if you have any questions or concerns. Moderate traMADol food Applies to: tramadol Alcohol can increase the nervous system side effects of traMADol such as dizziness, drowsiness, and difficulty concentrating. Some people may also experience impairment in thinking and judgment. You should avoid or limit the use of alcohol while being treated with traMADol. Do not use more than the recommended dose of traMADol, and avoid activities requiring mental alertness such as driving or operating hazardous machinery until you know how the medication affects you. Talk to your doctor or pharmacist if you have any questions or concerns. Moderate pregabalin food Applies to: Lyrica (pregabalin) Alcohol can increase the nervous system side effects of pregabalin such as dizziness, drowsiness, and difficulty concentrating. Some people may also experience impairment in thinking and judgment. You should avoid or limit the use of alcohol while being treated with pregabalin. Do not use more than the recommended dose of pregabalin, and avoid activities requiring mental alertness such as driving or operating hazardous machinery until you know how the medication affects you. Talk to your doctor or pharmacist if you have any questions or concerns. Switch to professional interaction data Therapeutic duplication warnings Central Nervous System (CNS) Drugs Therapeutic duplication The recommended maximum number of medicines in the 'Central Nervous System (CNS) Drugs' category to be taken concurrently is usually three. Your list includes six medicines belonging to the 'Central Nervous System (CNS) Drugs' category: Lyrica (pregabalin) buspirone venlafaxine diazepam trazodone zolpidem Note: The benefits of taking this combination of medicines may outweigh any risks associated with therapeutic duplication. This information does not take the place of talking to your doctor. Always check with your healthcare provider to determine if any adjustments to your medications are needed. Duplication Psychotropic agents Therapeutic duplication The recommended maximum number of medicines in the 'psychotropic agents' category to be taken concurrently is usually three. Your list includes five medicines belonging to the 'psychotropic agents' category: buspirone venlafaxine diazepam trazodone zolpidem Note: The benefits of taking this combination of medicines may outweigh any risks associated with therapeutic duplication. This information does not take the place of talking to your doctor. Always check with your healthcare provider to determine if any adjustments to your medications are needed. Duplication Antidepressants Therapeutic duplication The recommended maximum number of medicines in the 'antidepressants' category to be taken concurrently is usually one. Your list includes two medicines belonging to the 'antidepressants' category: venlafaxine trazodone Note: The benefits of taking this combination of medicines may outweigh any risks associated with therapeutic duplication. This information does not take the place of talking to your doctor. Always check with your healthcare provider to determine if any adjustments to your medications are needed. Tranquilizers Therapeutic duplication The recommended maximum number of medicines in the 'tranquilizers' category to be taken concurrently is usually one. Your list includes two medicines belonging to the 'tranquilizers' category: buspirone diazepam Note: The benefits of taking this combination of medicines may outweigh any risks associated with therapeutic duplication. This information does not take the place of talking to your doctor. Always check with your healthcare provider to determine if any adjustments to your medications are needed. Duplication Thyroid hormones Therapeutic duplication The recommended maximum number of medicines in the 'thyroid hormones' category to be taken concurrently is usually one. Your list includes two medicines belonging to the 'thyroid hormones' category: levothyroxine liothyronine Note: The benefits of taking this combination of medicines may outweigh any risks associated with therapeutic duplication. This information does not take the place of talking to your doctor. Always check with your healthcare provider to determine if any adjustments to your medications are needed. On 8/20/2019 at 4:39 AM, drugged said: August 19 Monday 2:30 am woke up with severe headache, GI pain and bloating, muscle pain upper body 3:15 am took 100mg tramadol and 5mg diazepam 4:15 am got up 75mg venlafaxine 20mg omeprazole thyroid meds 6:00 am ate light breakfast ~7 or 8 am dry mouth, bad taste in mouth 10:00 am slight headache 11:00 light lunch headache becoming worse 25mg tramadol 2.5mg diazepam 12:00 after shower skin feel hypersensitive to lightest touch 2 x tylenol PM diphenhydramine helps skin sensitivity ~2 pm with main meal 15 mg buspirone 25 mg Lyrica 3:00 pm lie down and read ~4 pm 37.5 mg venlafaxine 5:00 muscle pain, moderate headache pain, GI discomfort 7:00 100mg tramadol 8:00 pm 50mg trazodone, 5mg zolpidem 11:30 wake up but get back to sleep (NOTE: CC adding in forgotten drugs from member's follow up post) Sorry about omitting this On 8/21/2019 at 4:30 AM, drugged said: 11:30 pm Monday to 1:30 am Tuesday very restless sleep, alternate too hot and too cold, dull headache 1:30 am woke up and couldn't get back to sleep took 5mg diazepam 4:00 am woke up 100mg tramadol 75mg venlafaxine 20mg omeprazole thyroid meds 6:00 am breakfast feeling a bit tense and jittery, dry mouth, dry skin, dry eyes starting 11:00 am light lunch 1:15 feeling semi-human cooking a real meal! 2:00 pm main meal can still feel a bit of headache around eyes and face 2:30 pm afternoon meds 15 mg buspirone 25 mg lyrica (pregabalin) 4:30 pm restless, muscle pain in upper back, arms, neck; skin hypersensitive, headache a bit worse took 2 tylenol pm (50mg diphenhydramine) 6:00 pm 37.5 venlafaxine 7:00 100mg tramadol 8:00 pm 50mg trazodone 5mg zolpidem 9:00 pm fall asleep On 8/22/2019 at 4:02 AM, drugged said: August 21 Wednesday 1:30 am woke up but got back to sleep 3:00 am woke up with anxiety, restlessness, rapid pulse - a mild akathisia and abdominal discomfort 10mg diazepam 5:00 got up took morning meds, anxiety less but not entirely gone, diarrhea (third day for this) 75mg venlafaxine 20mg omeprazole thyroid meds 6:00 am ate light breakfast neck and base of skull tight and painful 8:30 am nausea, anxiety, dry mouth and eyes 8:40 50mg tramadol - forgot to take it when anxiety woke me up 9:00 am anxiety easing a bit 10:00 am no headache at all, wee bit of anxiety, appetite is back, feel very tired (drug tired) 11:00 am snack 1:00pm abdominal bloating and pain (IBS) ~2:00 pm main meal 25mg Lyrica 15mg buspirone 3:00 feeling pretty good, weak but good 4:30 pm took 37.5mg venlafaxine 5:30 stiffness and pain starting in arms, shoulders and upper back, 7:00 pm 100mg tramadol 8:00 pm 50mg trazodone 5mg zolpidem On 8/23/2019 at 4:59 AM, drugged said: Yeah, I figured I was dependent on the diazepam and the zolpidem. I'm dependent on all the drugs I'm taking. So here's what I'm going to do; I'm going to take the 10 mg of diazepam at bedtime and 5 mg in the morning. Keeping everything else the same. Starting today I'm keeping track of times, doses, symptoms, etc., on paper and will post 3 days worth on Monday. What can I do if I'm experiencing especially nasty pain? I get really severe headaches sometimes and I've been taking either another 50mg tramadol during the day or trying extra-strength acetaminophen (1g)? The acetaminophen sometimes helps with headache pain but doesn't do much for muscle pain. Just trying to figure out how to keep the dosages of the tramadol the same everyday. One thing that strikes me is that you are clearly at risk for all kinds of drug-drug interactions as well as adverse reactions to any individual drug, you feel worse after you take batches of drugs, and yet you seem to think you have medical illnesses that need treatment with these drugs. FYI, trazodone releases an active metabolite that can cause muscle tightness and pain. If you take trazodone at night, this metabolite, m-CPP peaks during the day -- and it can interact with other drugs you take then. It can make you feel quite ill. As I understand it, over the last few months you've been taking 10mg diazepam per day, yet you decided to stabilize on 15mg per day -- a dosage escalation. Is that correct? You also seem used to adjusting or remixing your drugs and dosages when you feel it's necessary, is that so? This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
drugged Posted September 2, 2019 Author Share Posted September 2, 2019 4 hours ago, Altostrata said: drugged, I am sorry you are so uncomfortable. One thing that strikes me is that you are clearly at risk for all kinds of drug-drug interactions as well as adverse reactions to any individual drug, you feel worse after you take batches of drugs, and yet you seem to think you have medical illnesses that need treatment with these drugs. FYI, trazodone releases an active metabolite that can cause muscle tightness and pain. If you take trazodone at night, this metabolite, m-CPP peaks during the day -- and it can interact with other drugs you take then. It can make you feel quite ill. As I understand it, over the last few months you've been taking 10mg diazepam per day, yet you decided to stabilize on 15mg per day -- a dosage escalation. Is that correct? You also seem used to adjusting or remixing your drugs and dosages when you feel it's necessary, is that so? I was using the tramadol and the diazepam as it was originally prescribed - take as needed not to exceed X mg/day (300mg tramadol and 15mg diazepam). On the advice I received here to keep all the dosages the same every day to let my CNS stabilize, that was the amount I'd decided to take. Taking 5mg of diazepam in the morning though made me too groggy so I've gone back to 10mg at night and I seem to have stabilized somewhat from when the NP doubled my venlafaxine dose in June and I had an adverse reaction. Because of that reaction I started tapering the AD back down but too quickly so I've been holding the AD at 112.5mg per day. I'm sleeping through the night now and anxiety is bearable. I do have repetitive motion injuries in my arms and a compressed nerve between C5 - C6 in my upper back. The IBS, the Sjogren's, and TMJ were all diagnosed at a time when I was not taking any medication at all. I've had a number of injuries from the time I raised and trained horses including a couple of nasty concussions. I was also involved in a traffic accident that caused a concussion - all these happened when I was medication free. Right now I only have my little cellphone to get online - laptop died and am waiting for its replacement to arrive that's why I haven't been posting daily. 1994 Venlafaxine XR 300mg, 2003 tapered, 2004 off briefly back to 37.5 then 75mg, held, June 2019 up to 150mg, Aug.12 tapered down to 112.5mgs, Oct. 21, 2019 96mg; Dec. 8, 2019 90mg, Jan. 8 2020 81mg, Feb. 4, 75mg; April 17, 2023 37.5mg 2003/2004? Diazepam 10mg/bedtime 2013 Lyrica 300mg to 25mg; April 6, 2020 17mg; April 28, <5mg; May 7, 2020 Lyrica 0 mg! 2013 Tramadol 50mg tablets, 200mg/day divided 2005? Trazodone 50mg bedtime, Feb. 12, 2020 40mg, March 7, 25mg; Oct 1 20mg; 0mg! 2009? Zolpidem 5mg at bedtime. Nov. 9, 2019 Zolpidem 0 mg! 1990? Omeprazole 20mg in morning. 2010? Levothyroxine 75mcg morning 2011? Liothyronine 5mcg morning 1999? Buspirone 30mg twice a day August 2019 15mg once a day, Oct.21, 2019 2.5mg evening Oct. 25, 2019 Buspirone 0 mg! Link to comment
drugged Posted September 2, 2019 Author Share Posted September 2, 2019 12 hours ago, Shep said: I'm glad you were able to get your prescription refilled. How are you feeling? Actually, not feeling too bad. Anxiety is decreased and I'm sleeping through the night. Just the usual IBS and upper body pain. 1994 Venlafaxine XR 300mg, 2003 tapered, 2004 off briefly back to 37.5 then 75mg, held, June 2019 up to 150mg, Aug.12 tapered down to 112.5mgs, Oct. 21, 2019 96mg; Dec. 8, 2019 90mg, Jan. 8 2020 81mg, Feb. 4, 75mg; April 17, 2023 37.5mg 2003/2004? Diazepam 10mg/bedtime 2013 Lyrica 300mg to 25mg; April 6, 2020 17mg; April 28, <5mg; May 7, 2020 Lyrica 0 mg! 2013 Tramadol 50mg tablets, 200mg/day divided 2005? Trazodone 50mg bedtime, Feb. 12, 2020 40mg, March 7, 25mg; Oct 1 20mg; 0mg! 2009? Zolpidem 5mg at bedtime. Nov. 9, 2019 Zolpidem 0 mg! 1990? Omeprazole 20mg in morning. 2010? Levothyroxine 75mcg morning 2011? Liothyronine 5mcg morning 1999? Buspirone 30mg twice a day August 2019 15mg once a day, Oct.21, 2019 2.5mg evening Oct. 25, 2019 Buspirone 0 mg! Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted September 3, 2019 Administrator Share Posted September 3, 2019 Good to hear. A regular drug schedule will help us isolate adverse drug reactions, if any. Please continue to post at least 24 hours of your drug and symptom notes at a time. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
JackieDecides Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 I'm sorry to hear you have had so much trouble with your "care" - can't believe how bad some doctors can be. On 8/28/2019 at 4:12 AM, drugged said: Yesterday's doctor also referred to me as "one of those women" in reference to the childhood abuse I'd experienced. 😠 Currently taking Ramapril (blood pressure) 5 mg twice a day Omeprazole 10 mg AM and 20 mg PM (the taper has gone nowhere after the first cut) Famotidine once a day (and I still needs tums sometimes) magnesium 200 mg at night as of yesterday 2 fish oil capsules "EPA-DHA 1000" off Lexapro as of 5/2018 - last dose had been 5 mg every other day for a couple years highest dose had been 20 mg at which point I was diagnosed with Bipolar II, which went away when I cut the lexapro down to 15 mg. I spent years on Paxil before Lexapro (can't remember dose), briefly on Effexor and Abilify and others I have forgotten. in fact, when I was diagnoses with BPII I was put on all kinds of things which made me feel so bad I stopped them cold turkey within maybe 3 or 4 weeks, thank goodness. since then I've known these pills were terrible and I weaned down the Lexapro with zero help or support over I'm not sure how many years. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted September 7, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted September 7, 2019 On 9/3/2019 at 11:59 AM, Altostrata said: Please continue to post at least 24 hours of your drug and symptom notes at a time. Have you been keeping notes? If yes, please post them. If not please keep them and post them. * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment
drugged Posted September 8, 2019 Author Share Posted September 8, 2019 "Some people are taking drugs in dangerous combinations or are causing health problems. If you are having a serious adverse effect from a drug, such as liver damage, you may choose to go off sooner rather than later. The risk of withdrawal syndrome may be about equal to or even less than the health risk of taking the drug." One observation and one question: 1)Observation on z--drug withdrawal; I've gone completely off my zolpidem several times over the years when I was sleeping better. All I had to do was cut the dose from 10mg to 5mg, hold it a that for a few days or a week then stop taking it completely. I've been able to stay off the drug for months at a time as long as outside stressors were minimal and I was somewhat active. I'm not sure why that one seems to be so easy when getting off the AD is so hard. 2) question - given the cocktail of drugs I'm on, my age, and the fact that I'm on disability and have no responsibilities other than to take care of my cat and myself, should I consider either a bit more rapid a taper or perhaps tapering more than one drug at a time? My drug soup is incapacitating me as it is so I think I'd be willing to accept having more withdrawal symptoms for the time being if it means getting more of these poisons cleared out of body sooner. 1994 Venlafaxine XR 300mg, 2003 tapered, 2004 off briefly back to 37.5 then 75mg, held, June 2019 up to 150mg, Aug.12 tapered down to 112.5mgs, Oct. 21, 2019 96mg; Dec. 8, 2019 90mg, Jan. 8 2020 81mg, Feb. 4, 75mg; April 17, 2023 37.5mg 2003/2004? Diazepam 10mg/bedtime 2013 Lyrica 300mg to 25mg; April 6, 2020 17mg; April 28, <5mg; May 7, 2020 Lyrica 0 mg! 2013 Tramadol 50mg tablets, 200mg/day divided 2005? Trazodone 50mg bedtime, Feb. 12, 2020 40mg, March 7, 25mg; Oct 1 20mg; 0mg! 2009? Zolpidem 5mg at bedtime. Nov. 9, 2019 Zolpidem 0 mg! 1990? Omeprazole 20mg in morning. 2010? Levothyroxine 75mcg morning 2011? Liothyronine 5mcg morning 1999? Buspirone 30mg twice a day August 2019 15mg once a day, Oct.21, 2019 2.5mg evening Oct. 25, 2019 Buspirone 0 mg! Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Gridley Posted September 8, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted September 8, 2019 (edited) 41 minutes ago, drugged said: should I consider either a bit more rapid a taper or perhaps tapering more than one drug at a time? I would not recommend that approach. Regarding tapering more than one drug at a time, aside from the standard reason that if there are problems, you won't know which taper is causing the problem, there is another substantial consideration: it's one thing to say you'd be willing to accept more withdrawal symptoms, it's another when those symptoms hit hard and they turn out to be unendurable and there's no clear way out. We always counsel that you should not regard updosing/reinstatement as a safety net for a taper gone wrong. The same reasoning holds with increasing the rate of your taper. If you go too fast and run into bad withdrawal symptoms, you'll have to updose, then wait to stabilize, then re-start your taper, ending up with your taper taking more time than if you'd gone safely and slowly. Much better to do one at a time and to take it slowly. Edited September 8, 2019 by Gridley Gridley Introduction Lexapro 20 mg since 2004. Begin Brassmonkey Slide Taper Jan. 2017. End 2017 year 1 of taper at 9.25mg End 2018 year 2 of taper at 4.1mg End 2019 year 3 of taper at 1.0mg Oct. 30, 2020 Jump to zero from 0.025mg. Current dose: 0.000mg 3 year, 10 month taper is 100% complete. Ativan 1 mg to 1.875mg 1986-2020, two CT's and reinstatements Nov. 2020, 7-week Ativan-Valium crossover to 18.75mg Valium Feb. 2021, begin 10%/4 week taper of 18.75mg Valium End 2021 year 1 of Valium taper at 6mg End 2022 year 2 of Valium taper at 2.75mg End 2023 year 3 of Valium taper at 1mg Jan. 24, 2024: Hold at 1mg and shift to Imipramine taper. Taper is 95% complete. Imipramine 75 mg daily since 1986. Jan.-Sept. 2016 tapered to 14.4mg March 22, 2022: Begin 10%/4 week taper Aug. 5, 2022: hold at 9.5mg and shift to Valium taper Jan. 24, 2024: Resume Imipramine taper. Current dose as of April 1: 6.8mg Taper is 91% complete. Supplements: multiple, quercetin, omega-3, vitamins C, E and D3, magnesium glycinate, probiotics, zinc, melatonin .3mg, iron, serrapeptase, nattokinase I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus manymoretodays Posted September 8, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted September 8, 2019 1 hour ago, drugged said: "Some people are taking drugs in dangerous combinations or are causing health problems. If you are having a serious adverse effect from a drug, such as liver damage, you may choose to go off sooner rather than later. The risk of withdrawal syndrome may be about equal to or even less than the health risk of taking the drug." One observation and one question: 1)Observation on z--drug withdrawal; I've gone completely off my zolpidem several times over the years when I was sleeping better. All I had to do was cut the dose from 10mg to 5mg, hold it a that for a few days or a week then stop taking it completely. I've been able to stay off the drug for months at a time as long as outside stressors were minimal and I was somewhat active. I'm not sure why that one seems to be so easy when getting off the AD is so hard. 2) question - given the cocktail of drugs I'm on, my age, and the fact that I'm on disability and have no responsibilities other than to take care of my cat and myself, should I consider either a bit more rapid a taper or perhaps tapering more than one drug at a time? My drug soup is incapacitating me as it is so I think I'd be willing to accept having more withdrawal symptoms for the time being if it means getting more of these poisons cleared out of body sooner. Hi drugged, I quoted your post from why taper by 10% on back to here, your introduction page. So now it's in both places, hopefully.... And I agree with Gridley's response over there. For now, I think, in regards to question 2), that is the most harm free response. Oh yes, your drug soup can be incapacitating. We do understand this. However, a more rapid taper that might result in some serious WD symptoms might make things even more difficult. So we're trying our best to guide you to information, as well as offer some input/suggestions, so that you might feel empowered enough to make the right decisions, along the way. And with help. Of not only us, but your doctors too, if you can find one who is open to helping, with all this. Here's another avenue that you could pursue as well: There is a governing body (ASCP - American Society of Consulting Pharmacists), and while they do cost money - they take pride in saving more money (because they often reduce medications - it is their job to do so). https://www.ascp.com/mpage/Care_Pharmacist You might be able to engage a Pharmacist there, who would then liase with your main prescription writing doctor. So just offering this link to you today, so you can check it out. Sometimes the doctors will listen to Pharmacists with a bit more of an open ear, then they do to us/you. Sometimes, I think maybe it's just a matter of time constraints that they are working under, the doctors, other times I suppose that there might be many factors.......that I won't get into here and now. You are also taking care of a husband......and that may be a mutual thing too, each of you taking care of each other, as well as your cat. So don't knock what you do do, and can do, as not enough somehow. And yes, we have had some members who do multiple tapers, by doing a taper of one drug perhaps one month, and then another another month. Rarely, though......on doing tapers of more than one drug at the same time. Of course, this is complex stuff.......and takes time and understanding on their parts. And again, not to berate you or make you feel bad. The notes do help a lot. Like Alto said, a regular drug schedule, will be helpful. So, by doing the notes, and posting.......we can see when you take your drugs, and at what times, and possibly be helpful in helping you regulate all that. Oh, and I can relate to the computer AND smart phone difficulties. These things happen. I'm in the midst of selling or giving away a car as well. And work. Yes, I consider my volunteer efforts in the peer community, at large, to be work. Here, there, and everywhere. So there's that. I've managed to get to having a pretty full life again, in spite of it all. I'm even having to prioritize, as to what is most important now, so I don't overbook work and life things. Just saying that......to lend some hope. This all takes time and patience, drugged........you're getting there, with a complicated situation, and managing it the best you can now. Best, L, P, H, and G, mmt Late 2023- gone to emeritus status, inactive, don't @ me, I can check who I've posted on, and I'm not really here like I used to be......thanks. Started with psycho meds/psychiatric care circa 1988. In retrospect, and on contemplation, situational overwhelm. Rounding up to 30 years of medications(30 medication trials, poly-pharmacy maximum was 3 at one time). 5/28/2015-off Adderal salts 2.5mg. (I had been on that since hospital 10/2014) 12/2015---just holding, holding, holding, with trileptal/oxcarb at 75 mg. 1/2 tab at hs. My last psycho med ever! Tapered @ 10% every 4 weeks, sometimes 2 weeks to 2016 Dec 16, medication free!! Longer signature post here, with current supplements. Herb and alcohol free since 5/15/2016. And.....I quit smoking 11/2021. Lapsed. Redo of quit smoking 9/28/2022. Can you say Hallelujah?(took me long enough)💜 None of my posts are intended as medical advice. Please discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical provider. My success story: Blue skies ahead, clear sailing Link to comment
drugged Posted September 8, 2019 Author Share Posted September 8, 2019 Thanks mmt, I need a lot of reminders to take it slow. It has to do with my age in part. I keep wondering if I'll live long enough to see the benefits of getting off these toxins. Not that I'm enjoying taking them. I've had a terrible time keeping track of symptoms and times and such so I ordered an appointment schedule calendar so I could have everything in one place. I'll use the alarm on my phone to remind myself to inventory symptoms regularly. I'm also getting a physical tomorrow with liver and kidney function tests among other things. Should have the laptop up and running, too. 1994 Venlafaxine XR 300mg, 2003 tapered, 2004 off briefly back to 37.5 then 75mg, held, June 2019 up to 150mg, Aug.12 tapered down to 112.5mgs, Oct. 21, 2019 96mg; Dec. 8, 2019 90mg, Jan. 8 2020 81mg, Feb. 4, 75mg; April 17, 2023 37.5mg 2003/2004? Diazepam 10mg/bedtime 2013 Lyrica 300mg to 25mg; April 6, 2020 17mg; April 28, <5mg; May 7, 2020 Lyrica 0 mg! 2013 Tramadol 50mg tablets, 200mg/day divided 2005? Trazodone 50mg bedtime, Feb. 12, 2020 40mg, March 7, 25mg; Oct 1 20mg; 0mg! 2009? Zolpidem 5mg at bedtime. Nov. 9, 2019 Zolpidem 0 mg! 1990? Omeprazole 20mg in morning. 2010? Levothyroxine 75mcg morning 2011? Liothyronine 5mcg morning 1999? Buspirone 30mg twice a day August 2019 15mg once a day, Oct.21, 2019 2.5mg evening Oct. 25, 2019 Buspirone 0 mg! Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted September 8, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted September 8, 2019 I've moved your post to your intro topic. It was about your own situation and it keeps your history in one place. Please see this post for Gridley's response to it. * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment
drugged Posted September 10, 2019 Author Share Posted September 10, 2019 I have a question about induced apathy and/or tardive dysphoria: I'm wondering if any members here have experiences with dealing and healing from either of these that they could share? 1994 Venlafaxine XR 300mg, 2003 tapered, 2004 off briefly back to 37.5 then 75mg, held, June 2019 up to 150mg, Aug.12 tapered down to 112.5mgs, Oct. 21, 2019 96mg; Dec. 8, 2019 90mg, Jan. 8 2020 81mg, Feb. 4, 75mg; April 17, 2023 37.5mg 2003/2004? Diazepam 10mg/bedtime 2013 Lyrica 300mg to 25mg; April 6, 2020 17mg; April 28, <5mg; May 7, 2020 Lyrica 0 mg! 2013 Tramadol 50mg tablets, 200mg/day divided 2005? Trazodone 50mg bedtime, Feb. 12, 2020 40mg, March 7, 25mg; Oct 1 20mg; 0mg! 2009? Zolpidem 5mg at bedtime. Nov. 9, 2019 Zolpidem 0 mg! 1990? Omeprazole 20mg in morning. 2010? Levothyroxine 75mcg morning 2011? Liothyronine 5mcg morning 1999? Buspirone 30mg twice a day August 2019 15mg once a day, Oct.21, 2019 2.5mg evening Oct. 25, 2019 Buspirone 0 mg! Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted September 10, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted September 10, 2019 There are many existing topics on SA. You can use the site search function or use google and add survivingantidepressants.org to the search term. So do a search for: survivingantidepressants.org apathy survivingantidepressants.org tardive dysphoria * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment
drugged Posted September 12, 2019 Author Share Posted September 12, 2019 September 11, 2019 3:00am - got up 100mg tramadol 75mg venlafaxine 20mg Omeprazole Thyroid meds Symptoms: stiff painful neck, upper back, arms, hands, very mild anxiety, apathy 2:00pm - ate sandwich 25mg Lyrica 90 beads venlafaxine ( down from 115 beads August 12) 15mg buspirone Apathy 7:00 pm 100mg tramadol 10mg diazepam 50mg trazodone 5mg zolpidem Slept from 8:30 pm until 12:30am restless sleep until 3:00am 1994 Venlafaxine XR 300mg, 2003 tapered, 2004 off briefly back to 37.5 then 75mg, held, June 2019 up to 150mg, Aug.12 tapered down to 112.5mgs, Oct. 21, 2019 96mg; Dec. 8, 2019 90mg, Jan. 8 2020 81mg, Feb. 4, 75mg; April 17, 2023 37.5mg 2003/2004? Diazepam 10mg/bedtime 2013 Lyrica 300mg to 25mg; April 6, 2020 17mg; April 28, <5mg; May 7, 2020 Lyrica 0 mg! 2013 Tramadol 50mg tablets, 200mg/day divided 2005? Trazodone 50mg bedtime, Feb. 12, 2020 40mg, March 7, 25mg; Oct 1 20mg; 0mg! 2009? Zolpidem 5mg at bedtime. Nov. 9, 2019 Zolpidem 0 mg! 1990? Omeprazole 20mg in morning. 2010? Levothyroxine 75mcg morning 2011? Liothyronine 5mcg morning 1999? Buspirone 30mg twice a day August 2019 15mg once a day, Oct.21, 2019 2.5mg evening Oct. 25, 2019 Buspirone 0 mg! Link to comment
drugged Posted September 13, 2019 Author Share Posted September 13, 2019 September 12, 2019 3:00am get up Upper body pain, brain fog, dry eyes, apathy 100mg tramadol 75mg venlafaxine 20mg omeprazole thyroid meds 6:00am breakfast Pain has decreased, brain fog, inability to concentrate, apathetic 2:00pm main meal 90 beads venlafaxine 15mg buspirone 25mg lyrica 2:45pm Intestinal cramping, bloating and discomfort 8:00pm 100mg tramadol 10mg diazepam 50mg trazodone 5mg zolpidem 12:30am woke up Sleep was restless and broken the rest of the night. 1994 Venlafaxine XR 300mg, 2003 tapered, 2004 off briefly back to 37.5 then 75mg, held, June 2019 up to 150mg, Aug.12 tapered down to 112.5mgs, Oct. 21, 2019 96mg; Dec. 8, 2019 90mg, Jan. 8 2020 81mg, Feb. 4, 75mg; April 17, 2023 37.5mg 2003/2004? Diazepam 10mg/bedtime 2013 Lyrica 300mg to 25mg; April 6, 2020 17mg; April 28, <5mg; May 7, 2020 Lyrica 0 mg! 2013 Tramadol 50mg tablets, 200mg/day divided 2005? Trazodone 50mg bedtime, Feb. 12, 2020 40mg, March 7, 25mg; Oct 1 20mg; 0mg! 2009? Zolpidem 5mg at bedtime. Nov. 9, 2019 Zolpidem 0 mg! 1990? Omeprazole 20mg in morning. 2010? Levothyroxine 75mcg morning 2011? Liothyronine 5mcg morning 1999? Buspirone 30mg twice a day August 2019 15mg once a day, Oct.21, 2019 2.5mg evening Oct. 25, 2019 Buspirone 0 mg! Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Rhiannon Posted September 13, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted September 13, 2019 On 9/8/2019 at 10:37 AM, drugged said: Thanks mmt, I need a lot of reminders to take it slow. It has to do with my age in part. I keep wondering if I'll live long enough to see the benefits of getting off these toxins. Not that I'm enjoying taking them. I've had a terrible time keeping track of symptoms and times and such so I ordered an appointment schedule calendar so I could have everything in one place. I'll use the alarm on my phone to remind myself to inventory symptoms regularly. I'm also getting a physical tomorrow with liver and kidney function tests among other things. Should have the laptop up and running, too. One possible consolation: I found that as I tapered down to lower doses, I got a lot of relief from the problems caused by the drugs themselves, even though I was not off them entirely. Lower doses really do make a difference. When I first started I told my doctor that my goal was to get down to the lowest possible doses of the fewest possible meds I could be stable on. I think that's still true. I've gotten back so much of myself just by getting down to lower doses. And I lost about 23 years of my life before getting there, so I can relate. If you want to come down on multiple drugs, I think one way to do it safely and simply is to pick one and taper it for a while, then put it on the back burner and hold it while you taper another one for a while. Mods, please let me know if you have found this not to be the case. It seems to me that with a large drug cocktail for a long period of time, a history like yours and at your age, this may make more sense than trying to get all the way to zero on one drug before bringing down the dosage on any other drugs. I think at our age, getting to lower and less dangerous dosages is probably a higher priority than getting all the way to zero on any one thing. Just be sure to keep your goals modest and take it slow, and take a long hold after your last cut of the first drug before you make a cut of the next drug, so that any WD symptoms will have time to catch up and resolve before you start something else. Again, mods, if you think this is dangerous, please contradict me. Started on Prozac and Xanax in 1992 for PTSD after an assault. One drug led to more, the usual story. Got sicker and sicker, but believed I needed the drugs for my "underlying disease". Long story...lost everything. Life savings, home, physical and mental health, relationships, friendships, ability to work, everything. Amitryptiline, Prozac, bupropion, buspirone, flurazepam, diazepam, alprazolam, Paxil, citalopram, lamotrigine, gabapentin...probably more I've forgotten. Started multidrug taper in Feb 2010. Doing a very slow microtaper, down to low doses now and feeling SO much better, getting my old personality and my brain back! Able to work full time, have a full social life, and cope with stress better than ever. Not perfect, but much better. After 23 lost years. Big Pharma has a lot to answer for. And "medicine for profit" is just not a great idea. Feb 15 2010: 300 mg Neurontin 200 Lamictal 10 Celexa 0.65 Xanax and 5 mg Ambien Feb 10 2014: 62 Lamictal 1.1 Celexa 0.135 Xanax 1.8 Valium Feb 10 2015: 50 Lamictal 0.875 Celexa 0.11 Xanax 1.5 Valium Feb 15 2016: 47.5 Lamictal 0.75 Celexa 0.0875 Xanax 1.42 Valium 2/12/20 12 0.045 0.007 1 May 2021 7 0.01 0.0037 1 Feb 2022 6 0!!! 0.00167 0.98 2.5 mg Ambien Oct 2022 4.5 mg Lamictal (off Celexa, off Xanax) 0.95 Valium Ambien, 1/4 to 1/2 of a 5 mg tablet I'm not a doctor. Any advice I give is just my civilian opinion. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Rhiannon Posted September 13, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted September 13, 2019 Also, I think other people have said this, I see from your sig that you are taking variable doses of diazepam, tramadol, and zolpidem. To prepare for the process of reducing your drug burden, I'd recommend picking a dose of those and then consistently taking that same dose at about the same time every day. An exception might be zolpidem because it sounds like you maybe take that prn? If you're taking it most nights (say 4 nights a week) it would be best to take a stable dose rather than have fluctuating plasma levels, but if you're only taking it a few times a month it's probably okay. Started on Prozac and Xanax in 1992 for PTSD after an assault. One drug led to more, the usual story. Got sicker and sicker, but believed I needed the drugs for my "underlying disease". Long story...lost everything. Life savings, home, physical and mental health, relationships, friendships, ability to work, everything. Amitryptiline, Prozac, bupropion, buspirone, flurazepam, diazepam, alprazolam, Paxil, citalopram, lamotrigine, gabapentin...probably more I've forgotten. Started multidrug taper in Feb 2010. Doing a very slow microtaper, down to low doses now and feeling SO much better, getting my old personality and my brain back! Able to work full time, have a full social life, and cope with stress better than ever. Not perfect, but much better. After 23 lost years. Big Pharma has a lot to answer for. And "medicine for profit" is just not a great idea. Feb 15 2010: 300 mg Neurontin 200 Lamictal 10 Celexa 0.65 Xanax and 5 mg Ambien Feb 10 2014: 62 Lamictal 1.1 Celexa 0.135 Xanax 1.8 Valium Feb 10 2015: 50 Lamictal 0.875 Celexa 0.11 Xanax 1.5 Valium Feb 15 2016: 47.5 Lamictal 0.75 Celexa 0.0875 Xanax 1.42 Valium 2/12/20 12 0.045 0.007 1 May 2021 7 0.01 0.0037 1 Feb 2022 6 0!!! 0.00167 0.98 2.5 mg Ambien Oct 2022 4.5 mg Lamictal (off Celexa, off Xanax) 0.95 Valium Ambien, 1/4 to 1/2 of a 5 mg tablet I'm not a doctor. Any advice I give is just my civilian opinion. Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted September 13, 2019 Administrator Share Posted September 13, 2019 drugged, which drugs are you taking PRN, how often do you take each one, at what kinds of dosages? Do you often make ad hoc cocktails when you have symptom flare-ups? You're taking such a stunningly terrible combination of drugs, I'm not surprised at the symptoms you report. With your pharmacy background, why have you never called your doctors' attention to your polypharmacy and drug adverse effects? You seem to be fixed on reducing the venlafaxine first, although you are taking what I'd consider a dangerous combination of tramadol, Lyrica, diazepam, trazodone, and zolpidem. If reducing the venlafaxine is what you want to do, what kind of advice are you looking for here? We don't know of any shortcuts out of polypharmacy. See Tips for tapering off Effexor (venlafaxine) This tells you all you need to know. We recommend a taper of 10% per month, but I have a feeling you're going to want to do it your way. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
drugged Posted September 14, 2019 Author Share Posted September 14, 2019 12 hours ago, Altostrata said: drugged, which drugs are you taking PRN, how often do you take each one, at what kinds of dosages? Do you often make ad hoc cocktails when you have symptom flare-ups? You're taking such a stunningly terrible combination of drugs, I'm not surprised at the symptoms you report. With your pharmacy background, why have you never called your doctors' attention to your polypharmacy and drug adverse effects? You seem to be fixed on reducing the venlafaxine first, although you are taking what I'd consider a dangerous combination of tramadol, Lyrica, diazepam, trazodone, and zolpidem. If reducing the venlafaxine is what you want to do, what kind of advice are you looking for here? We don't know of any shortcuts out of polypharmacy. See Tips for tapering off Effexor (venlafaxine) This tells you all you need to know. We recommend a taper of 10% per month, but I have a feeling you're going to want to do it your way. I'm not taking anything prn now. Diazepam is 10 mg and zolpidem is 5mg both at bedtime. I've been posting daily schedules - today will be day 3, so you can see what I'm taking when. I was planning to taper the AD back down to 75mg/day then try to figure out whether or not to continue that taper or if I should taper something else. 1994 Venlafaxine XR 300mg, 2003 tapered, 2004 off briefly back to 37.5 then 75mg, held, June 2019 up to 150mg, Aug.12 tapered down to 112.5mgs, Oct. 21, 2019 96mg; Dec. 8, 2019 90mg, Jan. 8 2020 81mg, Feb. 4, 75mg; April 17, 2023 37.5mg 2003/2004? Diazepam 10mg/bedtime 2013 Lyrica 300mg to 25mg; April 6, 2020 17mg; April 28, <5mg; May 7, 2020 Lyrica 0 mg! 2013 Tramadol 50mg tablets, 200mg/day divided 2005? Trazodone 50mg bedtime, Feb. 12, 2020 40mg, March 7, 25mg; Oct 1 20mg; 0mg! 2009? Zolpidem 5mg at bedtime. Nov. 9, 2019 Zolpidem 0 mg! 1990? Omeprazole 20mg in morning. 2010? Levothyroxine 75mcg morning 2011? Liothyronine 5mcg morning 1999? Buspirone 30mg twice a day August 2019 15mg once a day, Oct.21, 2019 2.5mg evening Oct. 25, 2019 Buspirone 0 mg! Link to comment
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