Mutfael: try to recover

[ChessieCat]

1 hour ago, Mutfael said:

Hello my dear friend, do you think 3ml will be feasible?  When I was on 3 ml, I had the same feeling, depression, and lethargy, in your opinion. If I go back to 7 ml, is it appropriate?

 

SA suggests only making small increases.  Taking too much might make things worse.  If Brassmonkey had thought that 7 would help then he would have suggested taking 7.

 

BUT he didn't.  He suggested 3.

[Mutfael]

19 hours ago, ChessieCat said:

 

SA suggests only making small increases.  Taking too much might make things worse.  If Brassmonkey had thought that 7 would help then he would have suggested taking 7.

 

BUT he didn't.  He suggested 3.

Well, I will take my usual dose for a while and if there is no noticeable improvement I will increase the dose to 3 ml, thank you

[ChessieCat]

If you decide to leave increasing for a while then you might not need to increase as much.  If you are currently taking 2.5mg then if you need to increase you could try 2.75mg not 3.0mg.

 

This is because the brain will make adaptations to 2.5mg and taking 3.0mg in a 2-3 weeks' time might be too much and might make things worse.

[Mutfael]

On 11/4/2022 at 12:10 AM, ChessieCat said:

If you decide to leave increasing for a while then you might not need to increase as much.  If you are currently taking 2.5mg then if you need to increase you could try 2.75mg not 3.0mg.

 

This is because the brain will make adaptations to 2.5mg and taking 3.0mg in a 2-3 weeks' time might be too much and might make things worse.

Today is a little lighter than yesterday with depression, but it is a little less than the past three days

[Mutfael]

Today I felt at 9 pm and so far a relative calm, but depression, anxiety and lethargy are still present, but at an average rate

[Mutfael]

I don't know what happens yesterday is different from today,, Same lifestyle, same routine, same number of cigarettes per day, same eating, same amount of sleep, but yesterday there is relative calm and activity and today is lethargy and depression!

[Mutfael]

I have a question that I wish for everyone who has confirmed information and believes that it is 100% correct, so please answer it and thank you,, The first question is whether among the withdrawal symptoms are the pain of the feet and legs?, , The second question, Is the inability to walk a long distance among the symptoms of withdrawal? Feeling tired when doing any work that requires effort

[Mutfael]

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The answer to this question is very important to me, as I have recently increased foot pain in general, as well as feeling psychological and physical fatigue just by making an effort, even if it was simple!  I don't walk to the supermarket or go up to the second floor or make any simple effort where I feel tired as if I have walked long distances!

[ChessieCat]

You might see a physiotherapist/physical therapist and get some stretching exercises.

 

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Edited November 9, 2022 by ChessieCat

[Mutfael]

11 hours ago, ChessieCat said:

You might see a physiotherapist/physical therapist and get some stretching exercises.

 

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There may be a vitamin deficiency here!  Yesterday I did a blood test and a test for vitamin D, and the percentage was 10.4, but I can't take vitamins because they exacerbate symptoms.

[ChessieCat]

You can get Vitamin D naturally by going out in the sunshine.

[Shep]

You may also want to google "foods high in vitamin D3" and you'll find lists of what you can eat to up your D levels. 

[Mutfael]

On 11/10/2022 at 12:56 AM, ChessieCat said:

You might see a physiotherapist/physical therapist and get some stretching exercises.

 

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Yes, it is true. I have read all the comments, and it became clear to me that the pain in the legs, especially the back, is the effect of withdrawal. Thank you for placing this link

[ChessieCat]

Even though it might be a withdrawal symptom, it is important to maintain flexibility/stretching and strength/strengthening.

[Mutfael]

During the past 13 days, I felt half-recovered, and it was an average window, but two days ago the phobia, panic, depression, pain in the legs and feet, and psychological lethargy increased... knowing that I started taking vitamin D 1000 international units two weeks ago

[Mutfael]

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[Mutfael]

On 11/16/2022 at 1:50 AM, ChessieCat said:

Even though it might be a withdrawal symptom, it is important to maintain flexibility/stretching and strength/strengthening.

Welcome.. I was suffering two months ago from strange palpitations, not fast, but I can feel my heart beating, and it always happens after eating or smoking.. This palpitations lasted for about 3 months, then it started to go away.. During this period, I suffer from palpitations in the pharynx, and if I put my finger on a bone  The pharynx feels like my heart is shaking!!  What is the problem and is it the withdrawal symptoms of Cipralex

[Mutfael]

Hello.. I notice that if I take the dose an hour or less later, I feel an increase in anxiety, depression, physical pain, and lethargy. Is there a problem..?

[Mutfael]

Hello.. I want an accurate scientific explanation of what is the cause of stress, palpitations, dizziness and lack of concentration if I drink tea or smoke a cigarette.. This does not happen at all, but sometimes after a cup of tea heart palpitations, dizziness and lack of concentration occur.. Then I want another explanation, what is the relationship of stress, physical fatigue and palpitations  Heart withdrawal from medication?!  I always feel exhausted and feel as if I have climbed a mountain!

[Mutfael]

I do not know what is the reason for not answering my questions and not interacting with the situation! Note that I do not write much, but I notice that this is intended!? .. I began to doubt it .. I notice in many cases in this section a good interaction and I am here speaking alone! If you think that you want to do good, then do good for all people without specifying a specific person, and if you allocate help to certain people, then this is not doing good at all.. Is the language incomprehensible! If it was incomprehensible, then why was the interaction good at first? What happened?

[Mutfael]

I just want to clarify the matter because my presence in the forum has become useless because goodness, giving and sympathy are unfortunately not for everyone.. I want a clear answer so that I can decide after that whether to continue or leave

[Mutfael]

I will not call anyone, and I will not include responses with the names of supervisors or administrators, but whoever believes in his heart that he is a person who does good for free will answer my questions

[Shep]

@Mutfael Please note we only have a few moderators available to help out right now. We need to prioritize those who are new and seeking tapering advice.

 

We cannot answer every little "why" question. Please use common sense and good judgement. 

 

 

On 1/30/2023 at 3:44 PM, Mutfael said:

Hello.. I notice that if I take the dose an hour or less later, I feel an increase in anxiety, depression, physical pain, and lethargy. Is there a problem..?

 

If you feel worse when you vary your dose time, then take it at the same time every day. 

 

On 2/14/2023 at 5:36 AM, Mutfael said:

I want an accurate scientific explanation of what is the cause of stress, palpitations, dizziness and lack of concentration if I drink tea or smoke a cigarette.. This does not happen at all, but sometimes after a cup of tea heart palpitations, dizziness and lack of concentration occur.. Then I want another explanation, what is the relationship of stress, physical fatigue and palpitations  Heart withdrawal from medication?!  I always feel exhausted and feel as if I have climbed a mountain!

 

Please read the information on the site. You can find scientific studies here:

 

From journals and scientific sources

 

If the the tea you drink has caffeine, than that can cause symptoms. If you smoke cigarettes, which do contain a drug - nicotine, that can cause symptoms. It's up to you whether or not you want to consume items that ramp up your symptoms. 

 

Please focus on things that are good and healthy.

 

Non-drug techniques to cope with emotional symptoms

[Mutfael]

On 2/15/2023 at 2:14 PM, Shep said:

@Mutfael Please note we only have a few moderators available to help out right now. We need to prioritize those who are new and seeking tapering advice.

 

We cannot answer every little "why" question. Please use common sense and good judgement. 

 

 

 

If you feel worse when you vary your dose time, then take it at the same time every day. 

 

 

Please read the information on the site. You can find scientific studies here:

 

From journals and scientific sources

 

If the the tea you drink has caffeine, than that can cause symptoms. If you smoke cigarettes, which do contain a drug - nicotine, that can cause symptoms. It's up to you whether or not you want to consume items that ramp up your symptoms. 

 

Please focus on things that are good and healthy.

 

Non-drug techniques to cope with emotional symptoms

Welcome..I ended up in the emergency room in the hospital, where I got inflammation of the trachea and I got body fever and heart palpitations that did not stop, then I started to be very afraid and I thought that I had a problem in my heart!  An electrocardiogram was done and it was normal, as well as blood analyzes and heart enzymes, all of which are normal, praise be to God. Then I asked the hospital today for 2.5 and took it immediately, then I increased the dose of Lexapro to 5 mg instead of 2.5 mg.

[Doctorsrcrap]

Hiya.

I'm so sorry to hear you are not feeling good. I'm not a mod so can't give any advice but just thought I would show some support. 

These tablets just about mess up every section of the body....great isnt it. 

I know when I was taking effect my heart literally never beat normally it was basically constantly palpatating. Truely horrible. 

Anyway just thought I would say hi and keep up the good work 

[Shep]

21 minutes ago, Mutfael said:

Welcome..I ended up in the emergency room in the hospital, where I got inflammation of the trachea and I got body fever and heart palpitations that did not stop, then I started to be very afraid and I thought that I had a problem in my heart!  An electrocardiogram was done and it was normal, as well as blood analyzes and heart enzymes, all of which are normal, praise be to God. Then I asked the hospital today for 2.5 and took it immediately, then I increased the dose of Lexapro to 5 mg instead of 2.5 mg.

 

I'm sorry you ended up in the emergency room, but why did you double your Lexapro? Please note that heart problems can be a side effect of Lexapro:

 

Lexapro - Side Effects

 

The rare side effects in that link include "fast or irregular heartbeat."

 

From your signature, you've been holding at 2.5 mg Lexapro since last September. You were last on 5 mg Lexapro in December 2021. Your nervous system has likely adjusted to a lower dose, so upping it this much may cause your nervous system to hyper-react, as well as setting yourself up for kindling. Please see:

 

Hypersensitivity and Kindling

 

Do you know what caused your inflammation of the trachea and fever? Have you been tested for Covid? 

[Mutfael]

6 hours ago, Doctorsrcrap said:

Hiya.

I'm so sorry to hear you are not feeling good. I'm not a mod so can't give any advice but just thought I would show some support. 

These tablets just about mess up every section of the body....great isnt it. 

I know when I was taking effect my heart literally never beat normally it was basically constantly palpatating. Truely horrible. 

Anyway just thought I would say hi and keep up the good work 

Thank you for your presence.. Psychiatric medications are poisons, unfortunately. Either continue forever and bear the side effects, or leave them, and endure the symptoms of withdrawal, and the symptoms of withdrawal are much more severe than the side effects.

[Mutfael]

5 hours ago, Shep said:

 

I'm sorry you ended up in the emergency room, but why did you double your Lexapro? Please note that heart problems can be a side effect of Lexapro:

 

Lexapro - Side Effects

 

The rare side effects in that link include "fast or irregular heartbeat."

 

From your signature, you've been holding at 2.5 mg Lexapro since last September. You were last on 5 mg Lexapro in December 2021. Your nervous system has likely adjusted to a lower dose, so upping it this much may cause your nervous system to hyper-react, as well as setting yourself up for kindling. Please see:

 

Hypersensitivity and Kindling

 

Do you know what caused your inflammation of the trachea and fever? Have you been tested for Covid? 

Welcome.. I want to increase the dose as I cannot bear the symptoms of withdrawal, and I will wait until the condition stabilizes, then start decreasing by 5% every month. Therefore, I think that 10% is a large percentage for Lexapro.. As for bronchitis, this is how it came to me suddenly with mild sputum, but  It was accompanied by fever, muscle breakage, and physical fatigue. The examination was not done, as I do not know whether it is Covid or not, but it seems that it is not Covid.

[Mutfael]

On 3/11/2023 at 1:38 PM, Shep said:

 

I'm sorry you ended up in the emergency room, but why did you double your Lexapro? Please note that heart problems can be a side effect of Lexapro:

 

Lexapro - Side Effects

 

The rare side effects in that link include "fast or irregular heartbeat."

 

From your signature, you've been holding at 2.5 mg Lexapro since last September. You were last on 5 mg Lexapro in December 2021. Your nervous system has likely adjusted to a lower dose, so upping it this much may cause your nervous system to hyper-react, as well as setting yourself up for kindling. Please see:

 

Hypersensitivity and Kindling

 

Do you know what caused your inflammation of the trachea and fever? Have you been tested for Covid? 

I want an answer please. I am going through a state of stress and very severe anxiety since I started raising the dose, as I raised it to 5 milligrams for 4 days, then severe anxiety began, and I could not sit and I could not rest in one place, sleep disturbance and nausea, then I raised the dose to 10 milligrams 7 days ago, and the anxiety is still  The morning is severe until the evening, then it eases a little.. What do you think?

[Faure]

Hi I haven’t read through your thread but have looked at your signature. It looks like you were doing far larger drops than the 10% every 4 weeks that SA recommends.  This would be why you started experiencing withdrawal symptoms at 3mg. I am sure you would have been advised to hold at a particular dose to let your body to catch up with all the (too fast) reductions in dose.  
 

Going back up as you have done, once your body has started to adjust to the lower doses is likely what is causing you increased anxiety and all the other symptoms, in other words kindling has happened. 
 

On 3/11/2023 at 10:38 AM, Shep said:

From your signature, you've been holding at 2.5 mg Lexapro since last September. You were last on 5 mg Lexapro in December 2021. Your nervous system has likely adjusted to a lower dose, so upping it this much may cause your nervous system to hyper-react, as well as setting yourself up for kindling. Please see:

 

Hypersensitivity and Kindling

 

It looks like Shep said something similar above. I am not a mod but I suspect they would suggest you return to something around 2.5 - 3mg and just wait until things settle down. Going up in dose is not a solution. Your body has got used to the lower dose and will be very upset by the higher dose, as you are finding. 
 

You say:

 

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the symptoms of withdrawal are much more severe than the side effects.

yes, they are when tapering is done too fast. The idea of tapering is to reduce the drug slowly enough to avoid unbearable side effects. And life is generally much better when off the meds than on them. 
 

I have tagged @Shep who may be able to suggest what dose you should now stick to until you stabilise. Please note this is a very busy forum. The mods have experience of every symptom and generally know what to suggest that is most likely to help. They know far better than we do. When I first arrived in a terrible state of WD they told me what to do, I didn’t listen, I fully reinstated, it took a year to stabilise, I was so fatigued I could only work very part time, I never recovered and it wasn’t until I was well into a proper taper that I started to feel like myself again. 
 

I’m really sorry you are suffering. I know it isn’t fair and that these are terrible drugs that destroy lives. Unfortunately we are here and we have to get through it as best we can. 

Edited March 28, 2023 by Faure

[Shep]

4 hours ago, Mutfael said:

I want an answer please. I am going through a state of stress and very severe anxiety since I started raising the dose, as I raised it to 5 milligrams for 4 days, then severe anxiety began, and I could not sit and I could not rest in one place, sleep disturbance and nausea, then I raised the dose to 10 milligrams 7 days ago, and the anxiety is still  The morning is severe until the evening, then it eases a little.. What do you think?

 

If increasing the dose makes you sick, then you shouldn't increase the dose. 

 

You may want to re-read your thread. We've gone over this issue before. 

[Mutfael]

7 hours ago, Shep said:

 

If increasing the dose makes you sick, then you shouldn't increase the dose. 

 

You may want to re-read your thread. We've gone over this issue before. 

Do you think that these are symptoms of an overdose, since it is known that starting with medication or increasing the dose causes an increase in anxiety and symptoms? Do you think that?

[Faure]

You have kindled yourself with all the changes in dosing. I guess you could call this an overdose in that it is too much for your system to handle. Your system got used to a low dose and now you have overloaded it with a much larger dose. It isn’t happy and you feel ill.  It’s making things much worse for you. Sounds like the advice on what to do is earlier in your thread so have a look ☺️

[Mutfael]

On 3/29/2023 at 9:41 AM, Faure said:

You have kindled yourself with all the changes in dosing. I guess you could call this an overdose in that it is too much for your system to handle. Your system got used to a low dose and now you have overloaded it with a much larger dose. It isn’t happy and you feel ill.  It’s making things much worse for you. Sounds like the advice on what to do is earlier in your thread so have a look ☺️

Thank you.. Indeed, the dose may have been a surprise to the nervous system, but if we look at something else, I am like someone who takes medicines for the first time, starting with 5 milligrams, then after a week starting with 10 milligrams.. What is the difference between me and a patient who takes medicines for the first time?  We both take the same dose and the same amount

[Shep]

7 hours ago, Mutfael said:

What is the difference between me and a patient who takes medicines for the first time?  We both take the same dose and the same amount

 

Yes, but you've likely kindled your nervous system.

 

Hypersensitivity and Kindling

[Mutfael]

On 4/1/2023 at 1:09 AM, Shep said:

 

Yes, but you've likely kindled your nervous system.

 

Hypersensitivity and Kindling

Yes, your words are correct and convincing.. I went through the most difficult days of all, where I was very anxious and not sitting in one place, because from the severity of my anxiety, I feel that I want my body to explode from distress, as well as depression, severe physical fatigue, lack of appetite, sweating, insomnia, severe sleep disturbances, and nausea on an empty stomach  ..But that is simple compared to extreme anxiety and not sitting in one place. I want an explanation for this symptom, as it still comes to me in the morning and continues until sunset, then it starts to calm down a bit. I want an explanation for this symptom?  What exactly, thanks