Mutfael: try to recover

[Mutfael]

In the previous two days I went through a window compared to the wave a week ago.  And I say a window, meaning that I can tolerate the symptoms, not that the window means great happiness free from pain!

[Mutfael]

The past two days have calmed down a lot.. today I feel dizziness and lightheadedness, a feeling that I will fall to the ground, love for loneliness and isolation, and hate meeting people and sitting with them 😔

[Mutfael]

Every day new symptoms, but every hour!!  Dizziness, dizziness, lethargy, depression, lack of concentration, etc.

[Mutfael]

Yesterday was a wave of severe lethargy and tired myself.. today in the afternoon palpitations and then a window until writing this comment

[getofflex]

It sounds as though you are going through the typical windows and waves pattern of recovery.  When you reduced in May, you dropped by a higher percentage than what we suggest - you dropped by about 15%.  Shep, another moderator, warned you of this previously.  Is there someone who can help you to translate our posts into your language, and help you with your tapering?  Cipralex/Lexapro is a very strong drug, 2 to 4 times stronger than other SSRI's, and at the lower doses, it has an even more potent effect on our brains.  In this link, pay attention to the chart.  It shows that at the lower doses, a decrease has an even bigger impact on our brains.  So, the lower we get, the more important it is to do smaller reductions, and be very careful about not reducing again until we are stable.  We suggest a 10% reduction of the current dose.  So, your next reduction would be 2.7 mg.  

 

 Why Taper by 10% of my Dosage  

 

Occupancy Studies

 

Stability

 

My suggestion would be to hold for a while, until the windows and waves settle down.  A hold for several months would probably give your system a much needed break.  Also, when you do a reduction, please include the day of the month, thank you.  

 

 

Edited June 22, 2022 by getofflex

[Mutfael]

Today Friday is very lethargic with the desire and motivation to do things, but idleness is an obstacle!

[Mutfael]

On 6/22/2022 at 3:13 PM, getofflex said:

يبدو الأمر كما لو كنت تمر بنمط الانتعاش النموذجي للنوافذ والأمواج. عندما خفضت في شهر مايو ، انخفضت بنسبة مئوية أعلى مما نقترحه - لقد انخفضت بنسبة 15٪ تقريبًا. حذرك شيب ، وسيط آخر ، من هذا سابقًا.  هل هناك شخص يمكنه مساعدتك في ترجمة منشوراتنا إلى لغتك ، ومساعدتك في التناقص التدريجي؟  Cipralex / Lexapro هو دواء قوي جدًا ، أقوى بمرتين إلى أربع مرات من مثبطات استرداد السيروتونين الانتقائية الأخرى ، وعند الجرعات المنخفضة ، يكون له تأثير أقوى على أدمغتنا. في هذا الرابط ، انتبه إلى الرسم البياني. إنه يظهر أنه عند الجرعات المنخفضة ، يكون للانخفاض تأثير أكبر على أدمغتنا. لذا ، فكلما انخفضنا ، زادت أهمية إجراء تخفيضات أصغر ، وتوخي الحذر الشديد بشأن عدم التقليل مرة أخرى حتى نصبح مستقرين. نقترح تخفيض الجرعة الحالية بنسبة 10٪. لذا ، فإن التخفيض التالي سيكون 2.7 مجم.  

 

 لماذا تقلص بنسبة 10٪ من جرعتي  

 

دراسات الإشغال

 

استقرار

 

اقتراحي  هو  الانتظار لبعض الوقت ، حتى تستقر النوافذ والأمواج. من المحتمل أن يؤدي الانتظار لعدة أشهر إلى منح نظامك فترة استراحة تشتد الحاجة إليها. أيضًا ، عند إجراء التخفيض ، يرجى تضمين يوم الشهر ، شكرًا لك.  

 

 

Welcome and thank you for your help.. I do not need language help. I understand what you are saying through the translator (:..... the problem I have is that I decrease 1 milligram every month and I know that this is a mistake, but I want to get rid of the medicine as soon as possible 😔 Tired of lethargy, depression and anxiety

 

I just want an answer to my question.. Is lethargy a symptom of Cipralex (Lexapro) withdrawal?🌹

[Ariel]

@Mutfael

 

4 hours ago, Mutfael said:

I just want an answer to my question.. Is lethargy a symptom of Cipralex (Lexapro) withdrawal?🌹

 

It certainly can be!

I deal with lethargy/avolition as I go through Lexapro PAWS. 

 

Have you seen this help topic?

 

Sending best wishes for healing,

A.

[Onmyway]

@Mutfaelplease stop lowering your doses for a month. Don't make any reductions. Then your next dose should be 3.2 mg, then after that 2.9mg, then after that 2.6mg - around 10% every month. If you continue lowering by more than 10% you will suffer and we can't help you.

 

Omw

[Mutfael]

On 6/25/2022 at 2:16 AM, Onmyway said:

@Mutfaelplease stop lowering your doses for a month. Don't make any reductions. Then your next dose should be 3.2 mg, then after that 2.9mg, then after that 2.6mg - around 10% every month. If you continue lowering by more than 10% you will suffer and we can't help you.

 

Omw

Well I will continue for a month on the same dose ... Thank you for your help Thank you Thank you

[Mutfael]

During this week, I suffered more than once from insomnia, as I did not suffer from insomnia at all.. Even before I took the psychiatric medication and even after I took the psychiatric medication I did not suffer from insomnia only when it began to gradually decrease, especially at this stage the insomnia began

[Mutfael]

Today, a great lack of focus, lethargy and moderate depression

[Mutfael]

They started taking Omega 3 today at noon and I felt a slight improvement in terms of depression, but anxiety is present

[Mutfael]

Today a violent headache behind the head with relative anxiety and depression

I also feel pressure in the top of my head as if something is bothering me and bothering me!

[Mutfael]

All symptoms can be tolerated except (depression) in the past two days Depression is not severe .... Oh God, keep depression away from me

[Mutfael]

Am I right or wrong?... My way of taking doses is to fill a 100 ml medical syringe with water, then put a 10 mg tablet, shake the syringe, and take on the first day 30 ml, meaning 3 mg Cipralex, and so on..... then put it in the refrigerator  From tomorrow, I will take the same dose, of course, after shaking and shaking the syringe. Is my method right or wrong?

[brassmonkey]

That is a very good way to do it. Just make sure that you shake it up really well, like you are doing.

[Mutfael]

On 7/2/2022 at 10:59 PM, brassmonkey said:

That is a very good way to do it. Just make sure that you shake it up really well, like you are doing.

I really shake it well and also put it in a dark box in the fridge..and every three days I start a new process..thank you 🌹

[Mutfael]

I had a very violent migraine and the situation in general is very bad, depression and psychological breakdown

[Mutfael]

Today's window is not so big I can handle

[Mutfael]

Today, the heart rate is fast at the slightest effort!  As well as dizziness and dizziness when meeting people and talking to them!

[Mutfael]

I can't stand the symptoms anymore.. I will wait for a month on the usual dose of 3 mg. If I do not get stability, I will stop the medication completely.

[Ariel]

@Mutfael

I'm sorry the symptoms are so challenging.

 

I haven't read your whole thread but based on your drug signature I see you're tapering off of escitalopram. 

I used to be on escitalopram and came off of it much too quickly in 2018. I've been in protracted withdrawal ever since. 

 

From personal experience I know what a difficult drug escitalopram can be to quit.

SA has taught me that escitalopram is much stronger than other SSRIs.

Maybe you know this already, however it may be useful to remember when you are feeling overwhelmed. 

 

Your body is working hard to heal from the iatrogenic effects caused by a very potent drug. 

I know it can feel impossible to practice patience when we are suffering, this healing process can feel unbearably slow. 

However, healing is happening. Healing is happening all the time, even when we don't consciously feel it. 

 

Please think about how far you've come.

You're at 3 mg down from 15. That's a big achievement! Give yourself lots of credit for your hard work. 

 

On 6/25/2022 at 1:16 AM, Onmyway said:

@Mutfaelplease stop lowering your doses for a month. Don't make any reductions. Then your next dose should be 3.2 mg, then after that 2.9mg, then after that 2.6mg - around 10% every month. If you continue lowering by more than 10% you will suffer and we can't help you.

 

The best way to honor yourself and the hard work that has brought you this far is to go gently.

Stick with the plan, don't make any impulsive decisions.

Please do not quit your medication cold turkey, it will only hurt you. 

Hold as needed and give the body, brain, nervous system plenty of time, space, stability to heal. 

 

Take good care of yourself, Mutfael. You can do this. 

I know it's hard but it's worth it. 

The symptoms are temporary, they will pass. 

It gets better <3

 

[ChessieCat]

On 7/7/2022 at 11:28 AM, Mutfael said:

I can't stand the symptoms anymore.. I will wait for a month on the usual dose of 3 mg. If I do not get stability, I will stop the medication completely.

 

Please read this:

 

Cold Turkey and Too-Fast Tapers

[Mutfael]

On 7/7/2022 at 1:39 PM, Ariel said:

@Mutfael

I'm sorry the symptoms are so challenging.

 

I haven't read your whole thread but based on your drug signature I see you're tapering off of escitalopram. 

I used to be on escitalopram and came off of it much too quickly in 2018. I've been in protracted withdrawal ever since. 

 

From personal experience I know what a difficult drug escitalopram can be to quit.

SA has taught me that escitalopram is much stronger than other SSRIs.

Maybe you know this already, however it may be useful to remember when you are feeling overwhelmed. 

 

Your body is working hard to heal from the iatrogenic effects caused by a very potent drug. 

I know it can feel impossible to practice patience when we are suffering, this healing process can feel unbearably slow. 

However, healing is happening. Healing is happening all the time, even when we don't consciously feel it. 

 

Please think about how far you've come.

You're at 3 mg down from 15. That's a big achievement! Give yourself lots of credit for your hard work. 

 

 

The best way to honor yourself and the hard work that has brought you this far is to go gently.

Stick with the plan, don't make any impulsive decisions.

Please do not quit your medication cold turkey, it will only hurt you. 

Hold as needed and give the body, brain, nervous system plenty of time, space, stability to heal. 

 

Take good care of yourself, Mutfael. You can do this. 

I know it's hard but it's worth it. 

The symptoms are temporary, they will pass. 

It gets better ❤️

 

Thank you for standing by my side 🙏 I'm grateful for that.. Don't take my words seriously, I may be angry when I write the post, but I will definitely not stop suddenly..

[Mutfael]

6 hours ago, ChessieCat said:

 

Please read this:

 

Cold Turkey and Too-Fast Tapers

I'm really sorry.. and I hope you'll excuse me 🌹 I definitely don't mean that but maybe it's a bit exaggeration because of the intensity of the pain.. I apologize again

[Mutfael]

I make sure to write down all the symptoms that affect me, whether they are windows or waves.. I will write down the current symptoms that I feel on a daily basis..

 

-(Anxiety goes up and down a little bit)
 -(Depression rises strongly and falls slightly)
 -(feeling out of focus all the time)
- (Sensitivity to light, lights and annoying sounds)
 -(general discomfort)
 -  (Feeling faint when standing and walking in front of people.. as well as tension and fear when talking and conversing with friends, and I feel that they notice my tension!)
- (Recurring headaches almost daily as well as migraines)
 -(Extreme lethargy, inability to do things, and difficulty doing daily chores)
- (Exaggerated fear of diabetes, pressure and clots. Frequent blood pressure and sugar checks, etc.)
 -(Fear of death and a feeling)
- (palpitations in the heart during normal exertion and sometimes without exertion)
 -(Feeling like rubber is pressing on the brain)
 -(Muscle pain in the knee and muscle pain behind the shoulders)

[Ariel]

15 minutes ago, Mutfael said:

Thank you for standing by my side 🙏 I'm grateful for that.. Don't take my words seriously, I may be angry when I write the post, but I will definitely not stop suddenly..

12 minutes ago, Mutfael said:

I'm really sorry.. and I hope you'll excuse me 🌹 I definitely don't mean that but maybe it's a bit exaggeration because of the intensity of the pain.. I apologize again

 

Hi @Mutfael

Thanks for clarifying that. I feel relieved.

 

You've got many people here who care about you support you in accomplishing your goal. 

 

We do take your words seriously, because this is the nature of an online forum with written communication -- we only have each other's words to go by. We don't have facial expressions or body language or voice modulation or context clues, there are no non-verbal cues. 

 

I would like to make a suggestion. If you are feeling angry and want to express this, perhaps you might write: I am feeling angry.

Same goes for any other emotions. You might try to share directly what you are feeling. 

Just a thought, take it or leave it. 

 

I am glad you will not suddenly stop the medication. 

I am sorry for the intensity of the pain you are enduring. 

I am sorry you're experiencing these many challenging symptoms. 

 

Please take good care of yourself. 

[Mutfael]

All of these symptoms that I mentioned in the previous post 👆 were present when I was taking the full dose, but in a slight way that did not constitute an obstacle.. What prompted me to quit the drug was lethargy and a lot of sleep!  Now when I reduced the dose, the rate of feeling symptoms increased clearly

[Mutfael]

3 hours ago, Ariel said:

 

Hi @Mutfael

Thanks for clarifying that. I feel relieved.

 

You've got many people here who care about you support you in accomplishing your goal. 

 

We do take your words seriously, because this is the nature of an online forum with written communication -- we only have each other's words to go by. We don't have facial expressions or body language or voice modulation or context clues, there are no non-verbal cues. 

 

I would like to make a suggestion. If you are feeling angry and want to express this, perhaps you might write: I am feeling angry.

Same goes for any other emotions. You might try to share directly what you are feeling. 

Just a thought, take it or leave it. 

 

I am glad you will not suddenly stop the medication. 

I am sorry for the intensity of the pain you are enduring. 

I am sorry you're experiencing these many challenging symptoms. 

 

Please take good care of yourself. 

 Thank you to God Almighty and then to all those who support me. I am very grateful to you... and thank you for your concern...🌹

[ChessieCat]

8 hours ago, Mutfael said:

Now when I reduced the dose, the rate of feeling symptoms increased clearly

 

March - April 3.5 mg/

May 3 mg/

 

If you went from 3.5mg to 3mg that is a 14.2857% decrease.  SA's recommended maximum reduction amount is 10%.

 

If you decide to make a 10% for your next reduction the new dose will be 2.7mg BUT you will need to be stable before you start tapering again.

[Mutfael]

8 hours ago, ChessieCat said:

 

March - April 3.5 mg/

May 3 mg/

 

If you went from 3.5mg to 3mg that is a 14.2857% decrease.  SA's recommended maximum reduction amount is 10%.

 

If you decide to make a 10% for your next reduction the new dose will be 2.7mg BUT you will need to be stable before you start tapering again.

Ok I will do that thank you I appreciate your help 🌹

[Mutfael]

In 2015, I was taking Seroxat 20 mg and then decided to stop the medication and it decreased quickly, as I take 10 mg for two weeks, then 5 mg for two weeks, then stopped for 6 months.. The first days and months passed by fine, but in the fourth month I started feeling a little scared and continued determined to stop the medication and then  The fifth month passed and the situation began to get worse, as the lack of focus, depression and anxiety began, then I reached the sixth month and I could not bear it, as everything attacked me as I feel now!  Then I went back to taking Seroxat 20 mg again..

[Shep]

On 7/8/2022 at 2:31 PM, Mutfael said:

Thank you for standing by my side 🙏 I'm grateful for that.. Don't take my words seriously, I may be angry when I write the post, but I will definitely not stop suddenly..

 

This is great news, Mutfael. 

 

On 7/9/2022 at 1:02 PM, Mutfael said:

In 2015, I was taking Seroxat 20 mg and then decided to stop the medication and it decreased quickly, as I take 10 mg for two weeks, then 5 mg for two weeks, then stopped for 6 months.. The first days and months passed by fine, but in the fourth month I started feeling a little scared and continued determined to stop the medication and then  The fifth month passed and the situation began to get worse, as the lack of focus, depression and anxiety began, then I reached the sixth month and I could not bear it, as everything attacked me as I feel now!  Then I went back to taking Seroxat 20 mg again..

 

Yes, these kinds of drugs are notorious for causing a delayed withdrawal. 

 

If you taper no faster than 10% per month, you are less likely to suffer like you did back in 2015. 

[Mutfael]

21 hours ago, Shep said:

 

This is great news, Mutfael. 

 

 

Yes, these kinds of drugs are notorious for causing a delayed withdrawal. 

 

If you taper no faster than 10% per month, you are less likely to suffer like you did back in 2015. 

That's right, the withdrawal was delayed and after 6 months... Thank you for your interest 🌹 Note.. This week is much lighter than last week and less painful as the fatigue a week ago was very severe with depression, severe anxiety and a more severe headache!  As for this week, I passed a few windows with fatigue, but less than last week.

[Mutfael]

Depression started a day ago and today Friday is depression and lack of focus.. I can't open my eyes and I feel very lethargic