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Yes, Dr. Britz does supervise tapering.  I agree with you that supplements alone are not able to get a person off of psych meds quickly.

1992-1995 Prozac+klonopin, 11 y/o

1996 - 1997 Celexa and lithium

1998-1999 Paxil; 2000 -2008 Prozac

2006-2007 Gabapentin, CT’d (for a herniated disc injury) still took prozac

2008-2010 Zoloft, Wellbutrin, Klonopin

2008 to present - Zoloft

Started tapering from 200 mg Sertraline/Zoloft in 2014.  Stayed at 25 mg for 2.5-3 years, went back up to 37.5 mg due to the pandemic anxiety in March/April 2020

Started slow taper from 37.5mg in Nov 2020.  2022: 5/9 17.4 mg.  6/06 17 mg. 7/06 16.7 mg.  7/20 16.3. 8/15 15.7. 8/24 15.4.  9/23 15.1. 11/16 13.3. 12/14 12.8. 2023: 4/18 10.3. 5/23 9.8. 7/11 9.2 10/17 7.2. 12/05 6.5. 2024: 01/24 5.5.

Supplements: Mag glycinate, Omega 3, Multi Mins, Lithium orotate, D3, K2, Niacinamide, C, desiccated liver, glycine, soy lecithin, B12, B6, B9, evening primrose oil, probiotics, biotrophic plus.

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  • 2 months later...

Just an update:  I'm doing alright.  I've noticed last month and this month that I'm having crying spells and depression the week before my menstrual cycle starts.  Darn hormones.  It seems extra intense and I'm assuming that withdrawal is tampering with my hormones.  

I'm down to 10.3 mg and other than the crazy roller coaster of emotions, I'm doing okay.  

I have been feeling weary of tapering. This is such a long and challenging process that I wish could just end now.  I know that I have to keep going to stop focusing on how much time is still left.

I start working again next week. I'll be working part time and I'm hoping that I'll be able to keep it together emotionally!

1992-1995 Prozac+klonopin, 11 y/o

1996 - 1997 Celexa and lithium

1998-1999 Paxil; 2000 -2008 Prozac

2006-2007 Gabapentin, CT’d (for a herniated disc injury) still took prozac

2008-2010 Zoloft, Wellbutrin, Klonopin

2008 to present - Zoloft

Started tapering from 200 mg Sertraline/Zoloft in 2014.  Stayed at 25 mg for 2.5-3 years, went back up to 37.5 mg due to the pandemic anxiety in March/April 2020

Started slow taper from 37.5mg in Nov 2020.  2022: 5/9 17.4 mg.  6/06 17 mg. 7/06 16.7 mg.  7/20 16.3. 8/15 15.7. 8/24 15.4.  9/23 15.1. 11/16 13.3. 12/14 12.8. 2023: 4/18 10.3. 5/23 9.8. 7/11 9.2 10/17 7.2. 12/05 6.5. 2024: 01/24 5.5.

Supplements: Mag glycinate, Omega 3, Multi Mins, Lithium orotate, D3, K2, Niacinamide, C, desiccated liver, glycine, soy lecithin, B12, B6, B9, evening primrose oil, probiotics, biotrophic plus.

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  • 2 months later...

Just an update. I’m at 9.8 mg and holding.  I’m on my 6th week holding after dealing with a couple of weeks of depression and self hatred. 
Also I’ve been feeling very strange this whole week.  I have no description for it.  Not depressed or anxious, but not happy either.  I feel uninterested and unmotivated, no passion or desire to do anything.  I can’t make sense of it and it’s rather uncomfortable.  I’m sleeping well, that’s been surprising.  I would expect to be doing better due to getting sleep!

I am trying to be grateful for not having anxiety or depression at the moment, but I miss feeling happy.

All I feel up to do doing is sitting in the sunshine or scrolling my phone.  Just passing the time.  I would sure like a window soon!

We have no holiday plans so I’ll just be sitting in the sun making small talk with my husband and kids.

1992-1995 Prozac+klonopin, 11 y/o

1996 - 1997 Celexa and lithium

1998-1999 Paxil; 2000 -2008 Prozac

2006-2007 Gabapentin, CT’d (for a herniated disc injury) still took prozac

2008-2010 Zoloft, Wellbutrin, Klonopin

2008 to present - Zoloft

Started tapering from 200 mg Sertraline/Zoloft in 2014.  Stayed at 25 mg for 2.5-3 years, went back up to 37.5 mg due to the pandemic anxiety in March/April 2020

Started slow taper from 37.5mg in Nov 2020.  2022: 5/9 17.4 mg.  6/06 17 mg. 7/06 16.7 mg.  7/20 16.3. 8/15 15.7. 8/24 15.4.  9/23 15.1. 11/16 13.3. 12/14 12.8. 2023: 4/18 10.3. 5/23 9.8. 7/11 9.2 10/17 7.2. 12/05 6.5. 2024: 01/24 5.5.

Supplements: Mag glycinate, Omega 3, Multi Mins, Lithium orotate, D3, K2, Niacinamide, C, desiccated liver, glycine, soy lecithin, B12, B6, B9, evening primrose oil, probiotics, biotrophic plus.

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  • 1 month later...

Hey @Aveju,
I just read your whole thread. 
You seem to be going great with your taper, even though you think your not. 
I feel like you with the fact it's going to take do long 😒, I want off these drugs more then anything . It’s so hard being a parent and having to go through this , I worry that I may affect my children when they see me crying . 
Thank  God for this forum and the supporting communities. 
 

Cheeky

  • 1995 started Paxil 20mg slowly increasing to 50mg 2014 I decided to tapper myself not knowing how too and crashed , DR added 50mg of Seroquel

  • Through the years made many mistakes tapering

  • Started Tapering Both drugs at the same time 7.5% per month Paxil 9% Seroquel doing daily micro-taper 

  • Guided by Mark Horowitz

  • 31/3/24 Paxil 10.31mg

  • 31/3/24 Seroquel 9.9mg

 

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On 7/1/2023 at 12:47 PM, Aveju said:

All I feel up to do doing is sitting in the sunshine or scrolling my phone

If that’s all you can do then just do that . Sometimes we need to take extra care of ourselves. 

  • 1995 started Paxil 20mg slowly increasing to 50mg 2014 I decided to tapper myself not knowing how too and crashed , DR added 50mg of Seroquel

  • Through the years made many mistakes tapering

  • Started Tapering Both drugs at the same time 7.5% per month Paxil 9% Seroquel doing daily micro-taper 

  • Guided by Mark Horowitz

  • 31/3/24 Paxil 10.31mg

  • 31/3/24 Seroquel 9.9mg

 

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1 hour ago, Cheeky said:
On 6/30/2023 at 7:47 PM, Aveju said:

All I feel up to do doing is sitting in the sunshine or scrolling my phone

If that’s all you can do then just do that . Sometimes we need to take extra care of ourselves. 

That sounds super nice, actually! A lil vitamin D, hopefully some cute memes. Gonna shift so I'm in the sun when I get back to work. 

 

I've been trying to realize that rest is productive too, even if my internalized capitalism says it has to be earned. Hope you enjoy some time in the sun!

Pronouns: they/them/theirs 

Started on Prozac in early 2000s to treat cPTSD, been on various cocktails ever since.

2002-2004, 2017-2022: Buspar, tapered down to 0

2016-present: 100mg Seroquel for sleep -> May 2023: 90mg -> June 2023: 81mg -> September 2023: 72mg -> switched to brand name, much too strong, down to 60mg -> October 2023: 54mg -> November 2023: 50mg -> January 2024: 45mg -> April 2024: 40.5mg

2016-Present: 100mg Wellbutrin SR -> January 2023: 75mg IR (37.5mg 2x a day) -> February 2023 (33.75mg 2x a day) -> July 2023 (30.37mg 2x a day) -> August 2023: 27.33mg 2x a day 

2018-present: 25mg Pristiq

2015-present: 600mg Gabapentin (200mg 3x a day) -> December 2022: 300mg Gabapentin (100mg 3x a day) per GP's recommendation after side effects -> March 2023: 90mg 3x a day (switched to liquid suspension) -> April 2023: 81mg 3x a day -> September 2023: bad generic, switched back to homemade liquid; too strong after bad generic, down to 70mg 3x a day, still bad. Adjusted slowly till at 60mg 3x a day, much better. Long hold till -> December 2023: 54mg, still feels too high after November Seroquel switch from brand name to generic, doc recommended 50mg which feels better -> January 2024: When Wellbutrin went down, Gabapentin started putting me to sleep, went down to 45mg, then 41mg to stay awake, so far so good -> February 2024: 36mg, still too high, 34mg -> March 2024: 31mg, STILL too high, 30mg

Supplements: Multivitamin w/magnesium, probiotics, digestive enzymes, anti-viral nitric oxide nose spray as needed

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23 minutes ago, littlebird said:

That sounds super nice, actually! A lil vitamin D, hopefully some cute memes. Gonna shift so I'm in the sun when I get back to work. 

 

I've been trying to realize that rest is productive too, even if my internalized capitalism says it has to be earned. Hope you enjoy some time in the sun!

Rest is great when you can . When my anxiety peaks, I have to be active or I feel like I’m going crazy with fear . 

  • 1995 started Paxil 20mg slowly increasing to 50mg 2014 I decided to tapper myself not knowing how too and crashed , DR added 50mg of Seroquel

  • Through the years made many mistakes tapering

  • Started Tapering Both drugs at the same time 7.5% per month Paxil 9% Seroquel doing daily micro-taper 

  • Guided by Mark Horowitz

  • 31/3/24 Paxil 10.31mg

  • 31/3/24 Seroquel 9.9mg

 

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  • 4 weeks later...

Update-at 8.5 mg.  Moods are like a roller coaster.  I left the house wearing two different shoes a couple weeks ago.  Lots of ‘dumb’ mistakes and feeling like I’m not all here.  I can laugh about the shoe incident now.

 

 

A song to taper to that describes the process so well-The Climb by No Doubt from the Tragic Kingdom album.

 

   Step by step, I come closer to reaching the top
Every step must be placed so that I don't fall off
Looking down to see about how much higher I am
Another cool wind comes through, brushes my skin

[Pre-Chorus]
Oh, the harder I push, the tension does grow
I gather my thoughts the further and further I go
With some luck, I just might keep on climbing (Climbing)
So better to climb than to face a fall (To face a fall)

Chorus]
So high the climb (So high the climb)
I can't turn back now (Can't turn back now)
Must keep climbing up to the clouds (Climb to the clouds)
So high the climb (So high the climb)
I can't turn back now (Can't turn back now)
Must keep climbing up to the clouds (Climb to the clouds)

[Verse 2]
Whoa, pulling myself up by a rope, I better my view, oh
The only thing in sight is what I must do
As I turned, I could see myself falling, falling, falling (Falling)
Which in return, gave me strength for the climb
(Strength for the climb)

[Chorus]
So high the climb (So high the climb)
I can't turn back now (Can't turn back now)
Must keep climbing up to the clouds (Climb to the clouds)
So high the climb (So high the climb)
I can't turn back now (Can't turn back now)
Must keep climbing up and up to the clouds (Climb to the clouds)

[Bridge]
Although many failed, I must now prevail
With no questions
Have no time to stop, onward to the top
Of the mountain
Oh, and I, I can't turn back now
It's so very high, but I can't turn back now
If I keep it up, I'm gonna make it
I'm so very close, can't you see?

1992-1995 Prozac+klonopin, 11 y/o

1996 - 1997 Celexa and lithium

1998-1999 Paxil; 2000 -2008 Prozac

2006-2007 Gabapentin, CT’d (for a herniated disc injury) still took prozac

2008-2010 Zoloft, Wellbutrin, Klonopin

2008 to present - Zoloft

Started tapering from 200 mg Sertraline/Zoloft in 2014.  Stayed at 25 mg for 2.5-3 years, went back up to 37.5 mg due to the pandemic anxiety in March/April 2020

Started slow taper from 37.5mg in Nov 2020.  2022: 5/9 17.4 mg.  6/06 17 mg. 7/06 16.7 mg.  7/20 16.3. 8/15 15.7. 8/24 15.4.  9/23 15.1. 11/16 13.3. 12/14 12.8. 2023: 4/18 10.3. 5/23 9.8. 7/11 9.2 10/17 7.2. 12/05 6.5. 2024: 01/24 5.5.

Supplements: Mag glycinate, Omega 3, Multi Mins, Lithium orotate, D3, K2, Niacinamide, C, desiccated liver, glycine, soy lecithin, B12, B6, B9, evening primrose oil, probiotics, biotrophic plus.

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  • 1 month later...

how are you doing? 

5/10-viibryd 15 to 10 start 10 prozac

5/17-adrenaline surges, panic, viibryd to 7.5

5/20-stopped viibryd ?serotonin syndrome

5/23-stopped Prozac as symptoms continued 

6/2-reinstated viibryd 5mg

6/7-10 mg-better x 1 week only

6/13-15 mg-same thing

6/22-20 mg-same thing but akathesia went away

7/7-viibryd 25 mg split 15 am 10 pm
7/7-started Lunesta to sleep, 0.25 Ativan prn.

7/27-started propanolol 10 mg BID
8/1-viibryd reduced to 10 mg am 10 pm

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On 10/18/2023 at 11:09 AM, Ma205 said:

how are you doing? 

Hi @Ma205 I am doing okay.  Just had a few days of very little sleep with hot flashes, panic, etc.  

 

I’m finding that practicing acceptance of my situation and the withdrawals has been helpful.

 

Doing a bit better now.  Each day is different .  One day at a time and so excruciatingly slow!

 

I read some of your thread.  You have been going through such a rough time and I hope that you are having a good day today.  

1992-1995 Prozac+klonopin, 11 y/o

1996 - 1997 Celexa and lithium

1998-1999 Paxil; 2000 -2008 Prozac

2006-2007 Gabapentin, CT’d (for a herniated disc injury) still took prozac

2008-2010 Zoloft, Wellbutrin, Klonopin

2008 to present - Zoloft

Started tapering from 200 mg Sertraline/Zoloft in 2014.  Stayed at 25 mg for 2.5-3 years, went back up to 37.5 mg due to the pandemic anxiety in March/April 2020

Started slow taper from 37.5mg in Nov 2020.  2022: 5/9 17.4 mg.  6/06 17 mg. 7/06 16.7 mg.  7/20 16.3. 8/15 15.7. 8/24 15.4.  9/23 15.1. 11/16 13.3. 12/14 12.8. 2023: 4/18 10.3. 5/23 9.8. 7/11 9.2 10/17 7.2. 12/05 6.5. 2024: 01/24 5.5.

Supplements: Mag glycinate, Omega 3, Multi Mins, Lithium orotate, D3, K2, Niacinamide, C, desiccated liver, glycine, soy lecithin, B12, B6, B9, evening primrose oil, probiotics, biotrophic plus.

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8 minutes ago, Aveju said:

Hi @Ma205 I am doing okay.  Just had a few days of very little sleep with hot flashes, panic, etc.  

 

I’m finding that practicing acceptance of my situation and the withdrawals has been helpful.

 

Doing a bit better now.  Each day is different .  One day at a time and so excruciatingly slow!

 

I read some of your thread.  You have been going through such a rough time and I hope that you are having a good day today.  


you are doing an amazing job for being on Zoloft for 30 years! I’m 32 and have been on various ssris continually since I was 14 so 18 years. I’m going to see dr Britz this week.. I’m stuck in post acute withdrawal but am still on meds. I’m hoping she can help me. I see she’s done a lot to help you ! 

5/10-viibryd 15 to 10 start 10 prozac

5/17-adrenaline surges, panic, viibryd to 7.5

5/20-stopped viibryd ?serotonin syndrome

5/23-stopped Prozac as symptoms continued 

6/2-reinstated viibryd 5mg

6/7-10 mg-better x 1 week only

6/13-15 mg-same thing

6/22-20 mg-same thing but akathesia went away

7/7-viibryd 25 mg split 15 am 10 pm
7/7-started Lunesta to sleep, 0.25 Ativan prn.

7/27-started propanolol 10 mg BID
8/1-viibryd reduced to 10 mg am 10 pm

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Just an update-I’m been at 7.2 mg for nearly two weeks.  I’m overcome with emotion lately.  A lot of sadness and grief.  I’m not sure what to do with all of these feelings.  Having been on medications since age 11, this all feels very intense.  The funny thing is that at the same time I’m enjoying it because it feels so good to just experience emotions!

 

I believe a lot of my recent sadness and grieving is for the person that I was and could’ve been. The opportunities that I lost out on, the ways that I unintentionally hurt others and myself, the things that I don’t remember, the things that I wish I had known….  I don’t even know how to unpack all of it 😂 

 

I feel like I was just a kid and now I’ve woken up in a middle aged woman’s body.  It’s the weirdest thing. I hope to be free of meds and show the younger and current me that I can do this and I will be present in my life and make a good difference to all of those who I am in contact with.  To live fully!

 

 I feel like I have been given a 2nd chance at life, a chance to actually participate and experience it without this hinderance of medication that has sucked the life out of me and left me a shell for so many years.

1992-1995 Prozac+klonopin, 11 y/o

1996 - 1997 Celexa and lithium

1998-1999 Paxil; 2000 -2008 Prozac

2006-2007 Gabapentin, CT’d (for a herniated disc injury) still took prozac

2008-2010 Zoloft, Wellbutrin, Klonopin

2008 to present - Zoloft

Started tapering from 200 mg Sertraline/Zoloft in 2014.  Stayed at 25 mg for 2.5-3 years, went back up to 37.5 mg due to the pandemic anxiety in March/April 2020

Started slow taper from 37.5mg in Nov 2020.  2022: 5/9 17.4 mg.  6/06 17 mg. 7/06 16.7 mg.  7/20 16.3. 8/15 15.7. 8/24 15.4.  9/23 15.1. 11/16 13.3. 12/14 12.8. 2023: 4/18 10.3. 5/23 9.8. 7/11 9.2 10/17 7.2. 12/05 6.5. 2024: 01/24 5.5.

Supplements: Mag glycinate, Omega 3, Multi Mins, Lithium orotate, D3, K2, Niacinamide, C, desiccated liver, glycine, soy lecithin, B12, B6, B9, evening primrose oil, probiotics, biotrophic plus.

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1 hour ago, Aveju said:

Just an update-I’m been at 7.2 mg for nearly two weeks.  I’m overcome with emotion lately.  A lot of sadness and grief.  I’m not sure what to do with all of these feelings.  Having been on medications since age 11, this all feels very intense.  The funny thing is that at the same time I’m enjoying it because it feels so good to just experience emotions!

 

I believe a lot of my recent sadness and grieving is for the person that I was and could’ve been. The opportunities that I lost out on, the ways that I unintentionally hurt others and myself, the things that I don’t remember, the things that I wish I had known….  I don’t even know how to unpack all of it 😂 

 

I feel like I was just a kid and now I’ve woken up in a middle aged woman’s body.  It’s the weirdest thing. I hope to be free of meds and show the younger and current me that I can do this and I will be present in my life and make a good difference to all of those who I am in contact with.  To live fully!

 

 I feel like I have been given a 2nd chance at life, a chance to actually participate and experience it without this hinderance of medication that has sucked the life out of me and left me a shell for so many years.

Wow, that hit me hard. I’ve been feeling very similar recently. I don’t know what is my baseline state of being because I was put on meds at 16 and now I’m 44. How do I know who I am, how I feel, whether I truly struggle with anxiety, etc???? It’s exciting at times to be emerging from under the fog of medication and finding out who I am. Other times when I get hit with a strong symptom I worry that maybe that’s just me but I don’t know because I’ve always been on meds…. 

Age 16 (1995 - 2000) -Paroxetine
Age 21 (2000-2004) - Effexor 37.5mg
Age 24 (2004-2012) - Lexapro (70mg), Xanax minimum 2mg Xanax a day
About 32 (2012-2017?) - Every mood stabiliser under the sun (not at the same time) and minimum 2mg Xanax a day; occasional amisulpride 
About 35 (2017-current) - Lurasidone 80 mg, quickly titrated down to 40mg, Pristiq (50 mg), minimum of 2mg Xanax a day
About 41 (2020) Switched from Xanax to clonazepam and started tapering at 0.125 mg each reduction, tapered off Pristiq with a cross taper at the end, low dose of dextroamphetamine.
Age 42 (2021) Tried to taper off Lurasidone three times. Quick taper from 40mg to 0 mg over a couple of months the first time. Reinstated at 20mg. Tried twice more to taper from 20 mg to 0 mg dropping by 5 mg each reduction (about every 2 weeks).
Age 42-43 (April 2022) 20mg-18mg; May 18mg-16mg; June 16-14mg; September 14-12mg; September 12-14mg reinstated. February 2023 - hiccup with brand change, Back to Apotek brand and switch to homemade suspension.

Age 44 (August 2023 -restarted clonazepam taper). Start dose 0.375mg. 1/9/2023 - 0.365mg; 1/10/2023 - 0.324mg; 1/11/2023 - 0.264mg; 1/12/2023 - 0.25 mg (holding); 1/2/2024 - 0.232mg; 1/3/2024 - 0.221mg; 1/4/2024 - 0.205mg;

Health regimen: walks, hot/cold showers, ice baths, breathwork, mostly healthy diet, therapy...... Open to ideas! Supplements: Milk Kefir, Mag, Omega 3, CBD/THC.

 

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@Thorin You are not alone in your thoughts!  It sure is comforting to know that I'm not the only one who thinks and feels this way.  

 

I don't think we have a 'baseline' anymore, if that makes sense.  So much time has passed and because we have aged I think things change.   It'll be a surprise... hopefully a pleasant one!

1992-1995 Prozac+klonopin, 11 y/o

1996 - 1997 Celexa and lithium

1998-1999 Paxil; 2000 -2008 Prozac

2006-2007 Gabapentin, CT’d (for a herniated disc injury) still took prozac

2008-2010 Zoloft, Wellbutrin, Klonopin

2008 to present - Zoloft

Started tapering from 200 mg Sertraline/Zoloft in 2014.  Stayed at 25 mg for 2.5-3 years, went back up to 37.5 mg due to the pandemic anxiety in March/April 2020

Started slow taper from 37.5mg in Nov 2020.  2022: 5/9 17.4 mg.  6/06 17 mg. 7/06 16.7 mg.  7/20 16.3. 8/15 15.7. 8/24 15.4.  9/23 15.1. 11/16 13.3. 12/14 12.8. 2023: 4/18 10.3. 5/23 9.8. 7/11 9.2 10/17 7.2. 12/05 6.5. 2024: 01/24 5.5.

Supplements: Mag glycinate, Omega 3, Multi Mins, Lithium orotate, D3, K2, Niacinamide, C, desiccated liver, glycine, soy lecithin, B12, B6, B9, evening primrose oil, probiotics, biotrophic plus.

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Just an update.  I'm almost to week 7 of holding at 7.2 mg.  I had some dark depression and so much crying earlier in the month.  We went out of town for Thanksgiving and I got pretty stressed out over a few things which sent me into a short wave that lasted a few days.  

 

I guess I've reached the point where I have to slow down, although I feel I've been going pretty slow to begin with.

 

I find myself very curious about what is going on in my body and brain while tapering.  Like are the withdrawal symptoms because of high cortisol?  Some of they symptoms are similar to serotonin syndrome and that is scary. What causes the cortisol to rise? I know that the stuff about serotonin has been disproven as a cause for depression/anxiety.  I can't seem to find the answers on google, lol.  I've read a lot of posts on SA-ones that try to explain what is happening in the brain.  My doctor did tell me that serotonin increases cortisol.  I have so many thoughts and questions.

1992-1995 Prozac+klonopin, 11 y/o

1996 - 1997 Celexa and lithium

1998-1999 Paxil; 2000 -2008 Prozac

2006-2007 Gabapentin, CT’d (for a herniated disc injury) still took prozac

2008-2010 Zoloft, Wellbutrin, Klonopin

2008 to present - Zoloft

Started tapering from 200 mg Sertraline/Zoloft in 2014.  Stayed at 25 mg for 2.5-3 years, went back up to 37.5 mg due to the pandemic anxiety in March/April 2020

Started slow taper from 37.5mg in Nov 2020.  2022: 5/9 17.4 mg.  6/06 17 mg. 7/06 16.7 mg.  7/20 16.3. 8/15 15.7. 8/24 15.4.  9/23 15.1. 11/16 13.3. 12/14 12.8. 2023: 4/18 10.3. 5/23 9.8. 7/11 9.2 10/17 7.2. 12/05 6.5. 2024: 01/24 5.5.

Supplements: Mag glycinate, Omega 3, Multi Mins, Lithium orotate, D3, K2, Niacinamide, C, desiccated liver, glycine, soy lecithin, B12, B6, B9, evening primrose oil, probiotics, biotrophic plus.

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