Vegalia Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Hello, I have problèms with bad neuro-emotions : dépression, restlessness, rage... Today I took a bath with lavanda essential oïl and it was good for me. I have seen that baths with Epsom salt could relax. I wonder me if it is possible to have bad réactions with baths with Epsom salt? Thank you. Vega 2018 : 29 July xanax 0,125x 2 12 Aug 0,25 x 2 28 Aug clotiazépam 5x2 4 Oct Prazepam : 5-5-7,5 to 3,5-3,5-6,5 25 oct 10x3 21 nov 9,5 x3/ Now Taper 2% / 21days = 19 may 2019 7,32x3/ Now 5%/8 days =10 july 5,145 x3 /Now 2% / 21 days = 27 sept 4,75x3/ Now 1%/21 days = nov 4,70 x3 dec 4,65x3 jan 2020 4,60x3 feb 4,50x3 march 4,45x3 april 4,385x3 may 4,32x3 2018 : 29 Aug Venlafaxine 75mg XR 19 sept 37,5mg 4 oct 75mg18 oct bridge sertraline 1 nov Sertraline 50mg slow taper until mi April 2019= 25mg 15 July Escitalopram 5mg 20 Ju 4mg 22 Ju 3,25mg 23 ju 2,5mg 25 ju 2,25mg 8 Aug 2 mg 16 Aug 1,75mg 20 Aug 1,50mg 12 sept 1,25mg 24 sept 1,38mg 28 sept 1,50mg 8 Jan 1, 60mg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator brassmonkey Posted November 21, 2019 Moderator Share Posted November 21, 2019 With magnesium it is quite possible to get too much of a good thing, which will lead to a paradoxical reaction. Epsom salts baths are usually a good thing as long as you don't over do them. Use only a cup of salts in the bath and limit them to every other day and you should be fine. If you see an increase in anxiety the do even less. 20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013. Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mgpw it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks. The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better. Final Dose 0.016mg. Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017 "It's also important not to become angry, no matter how difficult life is, because you can loose all hope if you can't laugh at yourself and at life in general." Stephen Hawking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegalia Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Hello Brassmonkey, Thank you So much for your quick answer. I will follow your advice. Thank you very much Vega 2018 : 29 July xanax 0,125x 2 12 Aug 0,25 x 2 28 Aug clotiazépam 5x2 4 Oct Prazepam : 5-5-7,5 to 3,5-3,5-6,5 25 oct 10x3 21 nov 9,5 x3/ Now Taper 2% / 21days = 19 may 2019 7,32x3/ Now 5%/8 days =10 july 5,145 x3 /Now 2% / 21 days = 27 sept 4,75x3/ Now 1%/21 days = nov 4,70 x3 dec 4,65x3 jan 2020 4,60x3 feb 4,50x3 march 4,45x3 april 4,385x3 may 4,32x3 2018 : 29 Aug Venlafaxine 75mg XR 19 sept 37,5mg 4 oct 75mg18 oct bridge sertraline 1 nov Sertraline 50mg slow taper until mi April 2019= 25mg 15 July Escitalopram 5mg 20 Ju 4mg 22 Ju 3,25mg 23 ju 2,5mg 25 ju 2,25mg 8 Aug 2 mg 16 Aug 1,75mg 20 Aug 1,50mg 12 sept 1,25mg 24 sept 1,38mg 28 sept 1,50mg 8 Jan 1, 60mg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirstStepFaith Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 A lot of my own research on the general web about magnesium (and most supplements really) suggest that our first source should be to try and increase food sources of minerals. I'm also learning that magnesium is not good if you over do it. I'm trying to eat more food sources of magnesium (bananas, avocado, almonds) but I'm still wondering if I should add a supplement too given current neurological circumstnaces. Does anyone have any experience with how to balance/manage these? I'm using the same relative strategy for omega 3's with chia seeds, walnuts, etc. but that's a different thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardenlady Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 I take 500 mg of magnesium per day but haven't noticed that it's helped any of my awful withdrawal symptoms. Same with Omega 3 fish oil...I take it but haven't received any noticeable benefit. 2016-Aug-Prescribed 2 mg Ativan & 10 mg Ambien; Oct-c/o from 20 mg Lexapro to 60 mg Cymbalta; Nov-Dec-Tapered off 10 mg Ambien 2017-Jan-Feb c/o from 1.75 mg Ativan to 13 mg Valium & begin daily liquid micro taper; May-taper Cymbalta 60 mg to 48 mg with severe withdrawals. Begin 11 month Cymbalta hold. 2018-Jan 11 completed Valium taper; Apr-Resume Cymbalta taper. Interval dose progress: Apr 43 mg; May 40 mg; Jul 35 mg; Sep 29 mg; Dec 21 mg; 2019- Apr 14 mg; Jun 11 mg; Aug 9 mg; Oct 7 mg; Nov 6 mg 2020-Jan 5.2 mg; Feb 4.8 mg; Mar 4.3 mg; Apr 3.9 mg; May 3.5 mg; Jun 3.3 mg; Jul 2.9 mg; Aug 2.7 mg; 28 Sep 2.4 mg/12 beads; 25 Oct 2.2 mg/11 beads; 22 Nov 2.0 mg/10 beads; 20 Dec 1.8 mg/9 beads 2021- 17 Jan 1.6 mg/8 beads; 14 Feb 1.4 mg/7 beads; 18 Mar 1.2 mg/6 beads; 18 Apr 1.0 mg/5 beads; 16 May 0.8 mg/4 beads; 13 Jun 0.6 mg/3 beads; 11 Jul 0.5 mg/2 beads; 8 Aug .03 mg/1 bead; 5 Sep 0 mg. Brutal, agonizing, slow 4.5 year Cymbalta taper completed as of 5 Sep 2021. 100% psych drug free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonial Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 On 10/7/2011 at 3:22 PM, Altostrata said: Doctor's Best also offers a high-quality chelated magnesium glycinate. I've found one of the recommended brands on Amazon at lower dosages, which would help me start closer to the 25mgs recommended. Doctor's Best High Absorption Magnesium Glycinate Lysinate, 100% Chelated, TRACCS, Not Buffered, Headaches, Sleep, Energy, Leg Cramps, Non-GMO, Vegan, Gluten Free, Soy Free, 100 mg, 240 Tablets. Ingredients Magnesium (elemental) (from 2,000 mg magnesium glycinate lysinate chelate) 100 mg, Microcrystalline cellulose, croscarmellose sodium, magnesium stearate (vegetable source), stearic acid, modified cellulose (coating). I'm just not sure what the "LYSINATE" Means. It seems to "pop up" with the glycinate in other formulas as well, is this ok? Starting ds 2 (12.5 CR'S) = 25 MG PAXIL CR 1/21/15: 1 Pill + 10mg liquid (2 weeks) 2/4: 1 Pill + 9mg Lq (3 weeks) 2/25: 1 Pill + 8 mg lq (1 week) 3/4: 1 Pill + 6 mg lq (2 weeks) 3/18/15 1 Pill + 4 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/1/15 1 Pill + 3 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/14/15 1 Pill + 2 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/29/15 1Pill + 1 mg lq (16 days) 5/15/15 1 12.5 mg Pill ONLY (9 days) 5/24/15 12 mgs liquid (8 days) 6/1/15 11mg lq (12 days) 6/13/15 10 mg. 12/3/15 Drop from 8mg to 7.6 (24 days to) 12/27/15 7.2mgs 8/4/16 6.8mgs, 11/1/16 6.4mgs, 2/5/17 6 mgs 4/3/17 5.6mgs, 4/24/17 5.2mg, 6/13/17 4.8mgs, 9/20/17 4.4mgS, 11/23/17 4 mgs, 1/1/18 3.6 mgs, 2/15/18 3.2 mgs. 4/13/18 2.8mgs, 5/11/18 2.4mgs, 6/10/18 2.0 mgs, 8/4/18 1.6mgs, 9/27/18 1.2mgs, 12/24/18 0.8mg, 3/24/19 0.64 mg,(syringe change issue date?) 4/22/19 0.60 mg, 5/24/19 0.60 mg, 7/7/19 0.52 mgs, 8/4/19 0.44mgs, 11/4/19 0.36mgs, 2/1/20 0.28mgs, 3/1/20 0.24mgs (crash April 6) Compound started 6/28/21: 0.24mgs, 8/29/21: 0.22mgs, 10/31/21: 0.20mgs, 1/03/22: 0.18mgs, 3/5/22: 0.16mgs, 5/5/22: 0.14mgs. Original Wellbutrin Dose: 6 months from 9/14 to 3/2015, 300 XL 3/15/15: Half to 150 XL ( severe symptoms started on day 12) 4/16/15: 125mg for 20 days to: 5/6/15: 100mg for 15 days to: 5/21/15 75mg for 10 days to: 6/1/15: 56.25mg 13 days to: 6/13/15: 37.25mg 7 days to: 6/20/15 28.12mg 14 days to: 7/4/15 18.75mg, 7 days to: 7/11/15; RAISE BACK TO: 28.12 to 8/14/15: 18.75mg 20 days to :9/3/15 : 12.5mg, 8/4/16 9mg 1/9/17: 8.5mg 2/8/17 8mg, 3/9/17: 7.6 4/9/17 7.2 5/27/17 6.4 6/24/17 5.8, 8/1/17 5.0, 8/29/17 4.2mgs, 10/2/17 3.5mgs, 12/28/17 2.5mgs, 2/27/18 1.7mgs, 4/19/18 0.8 mgs, LAST DOSE: 6/11/18: 3 YEARS, 2 MONTHS, 27 DAYS... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Altostrata Posted March 1, 2020 Author Administrator Share Posted March 1, 2020 I don't know what it means. It has some association with lycine and glycine. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaurafromCT Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 Please be VERY careful buying anything consumable on Amazon. I used to be an Amazon seller and it's extremely easy for counterfeiters to sell bogus items, and Amazon does nothing to try and prevent this. Here are some tips to avoid counterfeit items in general: Every time you order, check the RECENT reviews and make sure nobody says anything about the product looking different from how it used to look, or looking sketchy. Look at customer pictures. When you get the product, examine the label carefully with a magnifying glass and make sure there are no typos (misspelled words). If it comes in a box, make sure the lot number on the box matches the bottle. If possible, call the manufacturer and validate the lot number. Buying counterfeit batteries is one thing but with supplements please be careful. 💗 Oh and "Amazon's Choice" is a meaningless designation. It is assigned by a computer. 1 1991 -> 2001 various SSRIs for depression (10 years) 2001 -> 2017 celexa, lexapro for depression plus Abilify (6 years) 2017 - celexa causes increasing flu-like symptoms (body aches, fatigue, malaise, syncope) 2017 - bad Dr switches me to Pristiq, Luvox, Zoloft. They all cause flu-like symptoms eventually. Switch to desipramine (tricyclic) 2018 - switch to imipramine 75mg which eventually causes worsening flu-like symptoms. taper off Abilify 2018 - November - feel like I am really developing serotonin toxicity. Decide I have to get off everything ASAP. taper off imipramine, going from 75 mg to 2.5 mg over 2 months 2019 - Jan - bridge to Prozac. taper from 10 mg to 1 mg over 3 months. Last dose end of March (alternating days) 2019 - March experience brain zaps but not too bad. They eventually go away in April/May 2019 - March - August - I developed leg/nerve pain which became increasingly debilitating over time. Saw a ton of doctors. No physical explanation. Drs rule out MS, fibro, neurological issues. MRIs, xrays, chiro. 2019, September - Leg pain has worsened to where I can barely walk across the room. Reinstate imipramine at 2 mg 2019 - October - Reduce imipramine gradually to 0.04 mg. feel a bit better. 2019 - November Start Trileptal 37 mg. Start seeing improvement in mobility, pain decrease 2019 - December - feeling about 50% better. Still experiencing w/d symptoms and/or side effects. Waking at 5 am each morning feeling shivery, nausea. Legs feel like they are plugged in to a socket. Zaps, aches, tingles, stinging. Still can't walk or drive. Ears ringing, brain tingling, brain full of bees. 2020 - mid-January - setback, withdrawal/side effects getting worse. Discontinue Trileptal. 2020 March reinstate Trileptal 20 mg, reduce to 10mg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonial Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 Thanks Laura! I emailed the Doctor's best company directly for more info on the lycine and glycine issue, I will post when I have a reply. They also have what is supposedly a "brain formula" magnesium: Magtein® magnesium-L-threonate : Doctor’s Best Brain Magnesium uses magnesium-L-threonate from Magtein® which is a unique and highly bioavailable magnesium capable of crossing the blood-brain barrier.* "According to animal research, the Magtein® magnesium-L-threonate in Doctor’s Best Brain Magnesium has been shown to effectively raise magnesium levels in the brain, in contrast to other magnesium compounds. Of six magnesium compounds studied, researchers found that magnesium-L-threonate was the superior compound able to enhance memory." If interested, You can read more about this particular formulation at their website: https://www.drbvitamins.com/products/brain-magnesium/drb-00283 Starting ds 2 (12.5 CR'S) = 25 MG PAXIL CR 1/21/15: 1 Pill + 10mg liquid (2 weeks) 2/4: 1 Pill + 9mg Lq (3 weeks) 2/25: 1 Pill + 8 mg lq (1 week) 3/4: 1 Pill + 6 mg lq (2 weeks) 3/18/15 1 Pill + 4 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/1/15 1 Pill + 3 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/14/15 1 Pill + 2 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/29/15 1Pill + 1 mg lq (16 days) 5/15/15 1 12.5 mg Pill ONLY (9 days) 5/24/15 12 mgs liquid (8 days) 6/1/15 11mg lq (12 days) 6/13/15 10 mg. 12/3/15 Drop from 8mg to 7.6 (24 days to) 12/27/15 7.2mgs 8/4/16 6.8mgs, 11/1/16 6.4mgs, 2/5/17 6 mgs 4/3/17 5.6mgs, 4/24/17 5.2mg, 6/13/17 4.8mgs, 9/20/17 4.4mgS, 11/23/17 4 mgs, 1/1/18 3.6 mgs, 2/15/18 3.2 mgs. 4/13/18 2.8mgs, 5/11/18 2.4mgs, 6/10/18 2.0 mgs, 8/4/18 1.6mgs, 9/27/18 1.2mgs, 12/24/18 0.8mg, 3/24/19 0.64 mg,(syringe change issue date?) 4/22/19 0.60 mg, 5/24/19 0.60 mg, 7/7/19 0.52 mgs, 8/4/19 0.44mgs, 11/4/19 0.36mgs, 2/1/20 0.28mgs, 3/1/20 0.24mgs (crash April 6) Compound started 6/28/21: 0.24mgs, 8/29/21: 0.22mgs, 10/31/21: 0.20mgs, 1/03/22: 0.18mgs, 3/5/22: 0.16mgs, 5/5/22: 0.14mgs. Original Wellbutrin Dose: 6 months from 9/14 to 3/2015, 300 XL 3/15/15: Half to 150 XL ( severe symptoms started on day 12) 4/16/15: 125mg for 20 days to: 5/6/15: 100mg for 15 days to: 5/21/15 75mg for 10 days to: 6/1/15: 56.25mg 13 days to: 6/13/15: 37.25mg 7 days to: 6/20/15 28.12mg 14 days to: 7/4/15 18.75mg, 7 days to: 7/11/15; RAISE BACK TO: 28.12 to 8/14/15: 18.75mg 20 days to :9/3/15 : 12.5mg, 8/4/16 9mg 1/9/17: 8.5mg 2/8/17 8mg, 3/9/17: 7.6 4/9/17 7.2 5/27/17 6.4 6/24/17 5.8, 8/1/17 5.0, 8/29/17 4.2mgs, 10/2/17 3.5mgs, 12/28/17 2.5mgs, 2/27/18 1.7mgs, 4/19/18 0.8 mgs, LAST DOSE: 6/11/18: 3 YEARS, 2 MONTHS, 27 DAYS... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanM Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 Does anyone know if it's 'normal' for magnesium glycinate powder to have a very strong fishy taste? I poured the contents of two capsules into a water bottle this morning, and the taste was horrendous. I googled around but didn't find anything definitive. Thanks all. My previous drug history was confusing, so I deleted it in favour of the following summary, as best I can recall: 2017 - Jun 2019: olanzapine, dose erratic, ranging from 1.25 to 2.5mg per day. 2017 - Jun 2019: klonopin, dose erratic, ranging from 0.0625mg twice a day to 0.25mg twice a day. 2017 - Jun 2019: gabapentin, dose erratic, ranging from 200 to 300mg per day. Date uncertain: Lamotrigine, small amount for two months, C/T. Jun 2019: admitted to hospital after months of severe rage (which I am certain was caused by akathesia, but no doctor caught it). Doctors cold-turkeyed all drugs, I submitted to 10 courses of ECT, and was put on 50mg of seroquel at bedtime. Jul 2019 - Feb 2020: reduced seroquel sporadically from 50mg to 18.75mg. Apr 19, 2020: Reduced seroquel from 18.75mg to 16.5mg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Altostrata Posted March 12, 2020 Author Administrator Share Posted March 12, 2020 I have never tastes magnesium glycinate. Glycine has a pleasant sweet taste. If you don't like the taste, how about adding something, such as lemon or a little honey? We have recommended magnesium citrate for sipping in water. It has a citrusy taste. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanM Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, Altostrata said: I have never tastes magnesium glycinate. Glycine has a pleasant sweet taste. If you don't like the taste, how about adding something, such as lemon or a little honey? We have recommended magnesium citrate for sipping in water. It has a citrusy taste. Thanks, Altostrata. I could add a sweetener, but I'm more concerned that the product has gone rancid. I'm going to try contacting the manufacturer and see what they can tell me. My previous drug history was confusing, so I deleted it in favour of the following summary, as best I can recall: 2017 - Jun 2019: olanzapine, dose erratic, ranging from 1.25 to 2.5mg per day. 2017 - Jun 2019: klonopin, dose erratic, ranging from 0.0625mg twice a day to 0.25mg twice a day. 2017 - Jun 2019: gabapentin, dose erratic, ranging from 200 to 300mg per day. Date uncertain: Lamotrigine, small amount for two months, C/T. Jun 2019: admitted to hospital after months of severe rage (which I am certain was caused by akathesia, but no doctor caught it). Doctors cold-turkeyed all drugs, I submitted to 10 courses of ECT, and was put on 50mg of seroquel at bedtime. Jul 2019 - Feb 2020: reduced seroquel sporadically from 50mg to 18.75mg. Apr 19, 2020: Reduced seroquel from 18.75mg to 16.5mg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanM Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 On 3/12/2020 at 11:40 AM, IanM said: Thanks, Altostrata. I could add a sweetener, but I'm more concerned that the product has gone rancid. I'm going to try contacting the manufacturer and see what they can tell me. I contacted the manufacturer, and they said magnesium glycinate definitely tastes awful, so I guess it's not the best choice for sipping in unflavoured water. My previous drug history was confusing, so I deleted it in favour of the following summary, as best I can recall: 2017 - Jun 2019: olanzapine, dose erratic, ranging from 1.25 to 2.5mg per day. 2017 - Jun 2019: klonopin, dose erratic, ranging from 0.0625mg twice a day to 0.25mg twice a day. 2017 - Jun 2019: gabapentin, dose erratic, ranging from 200 to 300mg per day. Date uncertain: Lamotrigine, small amount for two months, C/T. Jun 2019: admitted to hospital after months of severe rage (which I am certain was caused by akathesia, but no doctor caught it). Doctors cold-turkeyed all drugs, I submitted to 10 courses of ECT, and was put on 50mg of seroquel at bedtime. Jul 2019 - Feb 2020: reduced seroquel sporadically from 50mg to 18.75mg. Apr 19, 2020: Reduced seroquel from 18.75mg to 16.5mg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 Tomorrow is supposed to be the first day of my Venlafaxine 10% taper. I started taking a magnesium supplement two days ago and experience some bad reactions. My anxiety levels (that has been quite tolerable) has worsened a bit. But the worst is that I nearly have not been able to sleep for the past two nights. The first day I took 100 mg at noon, and the second day 50 mg at noon. The supplement has added B6. Should I try 25 mg today or just stop them for now? Anyone with experience? 2001 - 2012 Sertralin, Citalopram, Venlafaxine, Escitalopram, Buspar, Citalopram, Lamotrigin, Bupropion, Mianserin. 2012 - 2020 Venlafaxine. Varying dosages up and down again between 75 mg and 37.5 mg 2020 - Venlafaxine 13 may 33,8 mg ; 10 june 30,9 mg ; 16 aug 27,3 mg ; 13 sep 24,6 mg ; 11 oct 22,1 mg ; 8 nov 19,9 mg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted May 5, 2020 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted May 5, 2020 I'd be stopping it straight away. B vitamins can be activating, especially B6. I also would wait for a bit before making the venlafaxine reduction. Let things settled before you make any changes. Only ever make one change at a time. Try to get some magnesium which is just magnesium, and only try a small dose to see how you react. Note that some combine calcium and magnesium, but the calcium counteracts the magnesium. * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 Thank you @ChessieCat I will try to find a magnesium without added vitamins. Do you think I should put off the reduction until I can stabilize with magnesium and omega-3? This might take some time, but I understand the need to do do controlled changes. 2001 - 2012 Sertralin, Citalopram, Venlafaxine, Escitalopram, Buspar, Citalopram, Lamotrigin, Bupropion, Mianserin. 2012 - 2020 Venlafaxine. Varying dosages up and down again between 75 mg and 37.5 mg 2020 - Venlafaxine 13 may 33,8 mg ; 10 june 30,9 mg ; 16 aug 27,3 mg ; 13 sep 24,6 mg ; 11 oct 22,1 mg ; 8 nov 19,9 mg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted May 7, 2020 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted May 7, 2020 It really depends on your own situation. If you need to reduce your drug for a reason, then that would be a priority. If not, then it might be better to get yourself set up with the magnesium and omega 3 before commencing your taper. the-rule-of-3kis-keep-it-simple-keep-it-slow-keep-it-stable * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevertoolate Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 I took one of these tablets two nights ago and I'm still feeling the side effects. Slight headache (that awful weird head feeling) a bit shaky and thumping heart 😥 After reading this thread it seems the dose is WAY too high even if I only took half a tablet. Am I right in thinking this? Any advice please. Each tablet contains:Magnesium amino acid chelate (Meta Mag® - Magnesium diglycinate) 500mgEquiv. elemental Magnesium 50mgMagnesium amino acid chelate 750mgEquiv. elemental Magnesium 150mgZinc sulfate monohydrate 19mgEquiv. elemental Zinc 7mgPyridoxine hydrochloride (Vitamin B6) 16.6mgChromic chloride hexahydrate 1mgEquiv. elemental Chromium 200 microgramSelenomethionine 33 microgramEquiv. elemental Selenium 13 microgram Lexapro 10MG Almost continually for 25 odd years Reduced to 5MG beginning July 2018- end August 2018 August 2018 til now off completely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted June 15, 2020 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted June 15, 2020 If this is the only change that you have made, then any issues are more than likely to be from the tablet. Because you have taken a complex it is not possible to know for sure what you have reacted to. 36 minutes ago, Nevertoolate said: Pyridoxine hydrochloride (Vitamin B6) 16.6mg However, B vitamins, especially B6, can be activating. See hypersensitive-to-b-vitamin-or-b-vitamin-complex See also: the-rule-of-3kis-keep-it-simple-keep-it-slow-keep-it-stable I also suggest that you use a search engine and add survivingantidepressants.org to the search term and find the SA topics for the other ingredients. * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevertoolate Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 Thank you ChessieCat To be honest I didn't even notice the B6 😥 Don't think I'll take one again in the near future. Very unpleasant. I'll check out the other ingredients. Lexapro 10MG Almost continually for 25 odd years Reduced to 5MG beginning July 2018- end August 2018 August 2018 til now off completely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted June 15, 2020 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted June 15, 2020 @Nevertoolate When I last bought my magnesium I was trying to find a brand that was cheaper, but they all had something added and yes, B6 was in some of them. Keep an eye open for the ones which contain calcium. To get the benefit from magnesium they need to be take about 2 hours apart. I buy Swisse brand. (no affiliation) * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevertoolate Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 Thank you so much for the tips. Should've stuck with Swisse I've used their products in the past and always liked them. So calcium and magnesium are better taken separately? Is that what you mean? What mg magnesium ones do you use please? Lexapro 10MG Almost continually for 25 odd years Reduced to 5MG beginning July 2018- end August 2018 August 2018 til now off completely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted June 16, 2020 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted June 16, 2020 2 hours ago, Nevertoolate said: So calcium and magnesium are better taken separately? Is that what you mean? Yes, if you are taking magnesium for the calming effect. If you look you will see that this topic it is titled Magnesium natures calcium channel blocker. 2 hours ago, Nevertoolate said: What mg magnesium ones do you use please? Swisse Magnesium (magnesium citrate) 150mg. I take 1/2 tablet morning and night. There have a few times when I have been feeling a bit more on edge and I have taken an extra 1/2 tablet. * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevertoolate Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 Ah yes the title meaning didn't click 🙄🙄 oops! Awesome. Thanks again for the help. It's really appreciated x🌸🏵🌺🐞🐝 Lexapro 10MG Almost continually for 25 odd years Reduced to 5MG beginning July 2018- end August 2018 August 2018 til now off completely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverknew Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 @Altostrata It seems so strange that someone would have a paradoxical reaction to magnesium but I guess I have. I frequently have paradoxical reactions to things; I don't know why. I took 250 mg of magnesium Monday night and had weird sensations. I didn't take anything else that night so it had to be the magnesium. I felt like it was trying to calm me down but at the same time it was stimulating. I had skin tingling and slight restless leg sensations. I did get to sleep but it was all very strange. I had high hopes for magnesium because it is so necessary and I was hoping it would calm me down and help me sleep. Is there any way I would get used to it? Perhaps if I took a very small dose? On Prozac since 2004, 10 mg Began to taper, 2016, first time cold turkey unsuccessful, so soon after tried again kept having to go back on medication due to withdrawals tried to do it myself as couldn't find a dr to help me Currently on taper #4 from 2016, having changed to Lexapro and starting November 2018 from 5 mg As of April 2020 I am at 1/5th of a mg (.2 mg) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted June 17, 2020 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted June 17, 2020 17 minutes ago, neverknew said: I took 250 mg of magnesium From the very first post of this topic Alto wrote: On 10/8/2011 at 6:22 AM, Altostrata said: Start with 25mg. (I was never able to take more than 50mg-75mg at a time, but others can take much more.) To start, you will want to get 100mg tablets you can cut up or 100mg capsules you can open, so you can try a lower dose and gradually increase if you wish. * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverknew Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 @ChessieCat thanks. The capsules I have are 100 mg of elemental magnesium, since they are magnesium glycinate (500 mg total). Is that what you mean, to start with a 100 mg capsule? I opened up the capsule and tried to divide it into quarters because I don't have a drug scale. Might not be a bad idea to get one - does anyone have a good one they could recommend? Do you think it is the magnesium that gave me problems- it wouldn't be the glycine, would it? Has anyone ever had trouble with glycine? I always assumed glycine to be so mild and calming. On Prozac since 2004, 10 mg Began to taper, 2016, first time cold turkey unsuccessful, so soon after tried again kept having to go back on medication due to withdrawals tried to do it myself as couldn't find a dr to help me Currently on taper #4 from 2016, having changed to Lexapro and starting November 2018 from 5 mg As of April 2020 I am at 1/5th of a mg (.2 mg) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Altostrata Posted June 17, 2020 Author Administrator Share Posted June 17, 2020 If you get a bad reaction, take less magnesium at a time. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted June 17, 2020 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted June 17, 2020 7 hours ago, neverknew said: I opened up the capsule and tried to divide it into quarters because I don't have a drug scale. Might not be a bad idea to get one - does anyone have a good one they could recommend? It is not necessary to be exact with magnesium like it is with psychiatric and some other drugs. You do not need to get a scale to weigh the magnesium. You could see if the contents dissolve in water. 7 hours ago, neverknew said: Do you think it is the magnesium that gave me problems- it wouldn't be the glycine, would it? Has anyone ever had trouble with glycine? I always assumed glycine to be so mild and calming. First thing to do is to try starting with a small amount. Taking magnesium for our purpose (ie during tapering and withdrawal) it is better taking throughout the day, not as one daily dose. * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentor FindRest Posted June 27, 2020 Mentor Share Posted June 27, 2020 On 5/9/2015 at 8:40 PM, Cdav said: but then my whole body started twitching during my sleep and had weird dreams, when I woke up I was full of brain zaps (which had already been gone for some months). I read before that Shanti had made a connection to this. Anyone else gets this symptom with magnesium? Yes, I had a very similar experience on less than 25mg of magnesium glycinate. Had gone a couple of months without any major symptoms. The next morning I woke up with full-body vibrations along with my arms jerking side to side (first and only time this has ever happened). The body vibrations lasted 24/7 for two days then went away quickly. 1988-1996 Various AD’s, all classifications. 1996-2019 Effexor XR 37.5mg to 150mg. Jan 2017 onward, 37.5 mg. 2019 Apr 11 - July 24: Trials of Latuda then Rexulti. CT'd off per dr. Jul 24: CT Effexor (per dr) Sep 9-19: Viibryd, CT (per dr). Sep 23-27: Trintellix. CT (per dr). Sep 28 - Oct 24: Prozac 10mg. Oct 24: Stop Prozac, began Pristiq 25mg->50->25mg. 2020 Feb 1: CT Pristiq. Feb 1: Reinstated Effexor XR (10 large beads) gradually increasing to 22 beads (15L+7M) or 9.072mgai on Mar, 2020. 2021 Started Jan w 21 beads (13L+8M) or 8.47mgai ended Dec: 17 beads (7L+9M+1S) or 6.19mgai. Severe COVID + TIA. 2022 Ended yr w 14 beads (3L+5M+5S+1XS) or 4.5mgai. Major jaw injury during year + family tragedy. 2023 Jan: 13 beads (2L+5M+5S+1XS) or 4.2mgai; Feb: 12 beads (2L+4M+5S+1XS) or 3.9mgai; Mar: 11 beads (2L+4M+4S+1XS) or 3.6mgai, Apr: 10 beads (2L+3M+4S+1XS) or 3.3mgai; Jun: 9 beads (2L+3M+3S+1XS) or 3mgai, Current: July, 2023: Effexor XR - 9 beads (2L+3M+3S+1XS) or 2.7 mgai Other current meds: Ambien 10mg 3.935mg , clonazepam .125mg .107mg, omeprazole, Synthroid, Premarin. Supplements: D3, C, probiotic, K2-MK7, Mg Glycinate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auroragirl Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 I took magnesium glycinate for the first time yesterday. It was 600mg total throughout the day and had my first brain zap at night but not sure if it's related. Is this common? I read quite a few posts on here and found 1 user suspect she had brain zaps from magnesium but couldn't find any others. I'm going to try a smaller amount today. Started SSRIs and Adderall in 2003. June 2019 - quit 15mg Adderall XR, no problems August - October 2019 - tapered Prozac from 40mg to 0mg with no WD symptoms January 2020 - WD started January 2020 reinstated 15mg Adderall XR, taken as needed, about 3 times a week Early June 2020 - reinstated 5mg Prozac, increased to 20mg, decreased to 5mg. Increased Adderall XR to daily usage of 15mg, started 50mg Trazodone. Mid June 2020 - increased to 10mg Prozac August 13, 2020 - decreased to 5mg Prozac Sept 5, 2020 - decreased to 10mg Adderall Sept 15, 2020 - decreased to 5mg Adderall October 1, 2020 - decreased to 0 mg Adderall May 15, 2023 - tapered Prozac by 10% per month, using oral solution, currently taking 0.1mg every other day. 50mg Trazodone. 10mg Adderall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Frogie Posted July 7, 2020 Moderator Share Posted July 7, 2020 6 hours ago, Courtrose said: I took magnesium glycinate for the first time yesterday. It was 600mg total throughout the day and had my first brain zap at night but not sure if it's related. Is this common? I read quite a few posts on here and found 1 user suspect she had brain zaps from magnesium but couldn't find any others. I'm going to try a smaller amount today. You might want to try a smaller amount and see how you do. Also, taking it multiple times a day, instead of one dose, sometimes helps. Take care, Frogie xx PREVIOUS medications and discontinuations: Have been on medications since 1996. Valium, Gabapentin, Lamictal, Prilosec and Zantac from 2000 to 2015 with a fast taper by a psychiatrist. Liquid Lexapro Nov, 2016 to 31-March, 2019 Lexapro free!!! (total Lexapro taper was 4 years-started with pill form) ---CURRENT MEDICATIONS:Supplements:Milk Thistle, Metamucil, Magnesium Citrate, Vitamin D3, Levothyroxine 25mcg, Vitamin C, Krill oil. Xanax 1mg 3x day June, 2000 to 19-September, 2020 Went from .150 grams (average weight of 1 Xanax) 3x day to .003 grams 3x day. April 1, 2021 went back on 1mg a day. Started tapering May 19, 2023. July 28, 2023-approximately .87mg. Dr. fast tapered me at the end and realized he messed up. Prescribe it again and I am doing "slower than a turtle" taper. 19-September, 2020 Xanax free!!! (total Xanax taper was 15-1/2 months-1-June, 2019-19-September, 2020) I am not a medical professional. The suggestions I make are based on personal experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artistic1 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 I have tried the magnesium glycinate because it's supposed to be the best for sleep, but I found that 120 mg at night gave me very weird dreams and made me groggy the next day. I would like to try it again, but I would definitely take a lower dose or split it up over the day. I am now taking a magnesium that works for me without any side effects. It's called Tri-Magnesium, and contains mag citrate, mag oxide, mag malate and Krebs cycle acid. I take one capsule of 300 mg. It's worth it to do some research on magnesium, because there are many different types out there, and each one works a bit differently. Celexa - 20 mg May 2015 - March 2016 (Felt quite good)..... Celexa taper from May 2016 - Nov 2016.....Completely off by Nov. 2016. Depression and Anxiety returned June 2017 July, 2017: Zoloft = 25 mg; Aug. 2017 = 37.5 mg; Nov. 2017 = 50 mg thru Jan. 23, 2018. Jan. 2018 - May 6, 2019 = taper Zoloft from 50 mg to 12.5 mg. Aug. 11, 2019 - felt so bad that I reinstated at 25mg. Hold at this dose until Feb. 3, 2020 Feb. 4, 2020 = reduce dose to 21.875 mg. Hold for 10 weeks. April 14, 2020 = 18.75 mg. Hold for 10 weeks. June10, 2020 - start cycle of 2 weeks to taper slowly from old dose to new dose, then hold at new dose for 6 weeks. June 23, 2020 = 16.66 mg.........August 26, 2020 = 14.75 mg ....... October 28, 2020 = 13.15 mg 2021: Jan. 1 = 11.85 mg....Feb. 26 = 10.5 mg....April 23 = 9.3 mg....June 12 = 8.33 mg.... Aug. 7 = 7.05 mg.....Oct. 9 = 6.08 mg.....Dec. 4 = 5.12 mg......Jan. 21, 2022 = 4.16mg.....Mar. 26 = 3.20mg......May 7 = 1.92mg....June 11 = 1.6mg.....July 23= 1.28 mg.....Aug. 13 = 0.96 mg.....Sept. 1 =O mg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted August 18, 2020 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted August 18, 2020 8 hours ago, quads said: I was getting really bad restless legs. I think it might have been as I had ran out of magnesium citrate and didn't bother topping up my supply. Since I reinstated the magnesium citrate I've had no problems whatsoeve so I'm going to make sure I keep taking it throughout my taper. * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lithiumnomore Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 Anyone that has the negative reaction to magnesium, how long did it take to wear off? I took 250 mg two days ago and 125 mg last night. Had facial flushing, little bit of a feeling of a stupor and worst of all massive depresssive feeling, lethargy, difficulty thinking. It's always hard to sort out.. there are so many variables but I'm pretty sure magnesium was a big contributing factor. Current Meds/Taper: Lithium 450 mg - only drug. Tapered from 450 mg on 2/4, dropping 50 mg every 2 weeks to 300. Started having extreme insomnia after 2 weeks at 300 mg. Updosed to 350 mg on 3/24 and then back to 450 mg on 4/7. Will resume taper at 5-10%/month or slower when the time comes. Current supplements: Magnesium - Dr Best Chelated 100 mg PM, probiotic. Recent meds/tapers: Seroquel: 9/7/2020 - 25 mg up to 100 mg then tapered off rapidly to 0 mg (took for 2 weeks total) Lithium: 9/4/2020 - 900 mg, 11/20 - 750 mg, 12/15 - 600 mg, 12/21 - 750 mg, 2/11/21 - 600 mg, 3/15/21 - 450 mg Lamictal: 9/7/2020 - 25 mg, 9/17 - 50 mg; 10/1 - 100 mg; 10/13 - 200 mg, 10/23 - 300 mg, 11/6 - 400 mg, 1/15/21 - 200 mg, 4/15/21 - 100 mg, 5/13/21 - 75 mg, 5/27/21 - 62.5 mg, 6/8/21 - 50 mg, 6/22/21 - 37.5 mg, 6/28/21 - 12.5 mg, 7/7/21 - 0 mg Past meds: 2001-2010 - lithium and/or other mood stabilizers, ssris and benzos; 2011 - 2018 - lithium and adderall; 2018 - tapered lithium 900 mg to 0 mg in about 6 months, stopped Nov 2018 (no identified withdrawal symptoms), started fluoxetine @ 20 mg spring 2018 through May 2019, then tapered in two steps: May - 10 mg, Nov - 0 mg; Dec 2019 - ssri withdrawal starts, hell begins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Altostrata Posted August 29, 2020 Author Administrator Share Posted August 29, 2020 If the symptoms are from magnesium, they should go away in a few days. Excess magnesium is flushed out of your system quickly. If you want to take it, frequent small doses are more effective than a large dose. Please read this topic from the beginning. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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