Kat66 Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 On 6/3/2022 at 6:22 PM, Pollyjay said: Oooh, sending love and support back, Kat66. (another Lancashire lass here) I know what you're going through. This last two days I've been in a real a real slump. I have to keep reminding myself that it will pass and I look at the success stories here by people who went through way worse symptoms and are now living meaningful, enjoyable lives. I hope you soon start to get some little ( or big) windows. We are here rooting for you! We'll get there Kat! Haha you're a long way from Lancs according to your location! I'm sorry you're in a slump - it's criminal what these drugs are doing to us. You're right about keeping reminding ourselves this will pass. Coming back onto SA and feeling the support of others has given me some comfort. Keep going and hang in there @Pollyjay xx History of depression and anxiety. Symptoms of PTSD. 1998-1999 Venlafaxine 2006-2007 Prozac.2013-15 Sertraline 50mg. 2015 cross-tapered to citalopram 20mg. 2015-2021 Citalopram 20mg (brief increase to 30mg for 2/3 months in 2019. 01/2021 Dropped from 20mg to 10mg, back up to 20mg til June. 25/6/21 stopped CT. Started 50mg 5htp after a week without citalopram in the hope this would balance out my serotonin levels. After 3 days increased to 100mg 5htp. 11/7/21 Stopped 5htp with the intention of reinstating citalopram at 1mg. 16/7/21 Reinstated cit at 1mg. 2/8/21 Increased dose to 2mg. 28/11/21 10% reduction to 1.8mg. 8/12/21 2mg 6/1/22 1.8mg 10/2/22 1.6mg 13/5/22 1.5mg 4/6/22 1.55mg 4/7/22 1.4mg 4/8/22 1.25mg 1/11/22 1.1mg 3/3/23 1mg 18/4/23 0.9mg 2/6/23 0.8mg 4/10/23 0.7mg 11/11/23 jumped off @0.7mg started on 5htp 200mg -400mg, L-Theanine, and L-tyrosine 200mg. 25/11/23 came off 5-htp, l-tyrosine and l-Theanine. 24/12/23 went on 7.5mg mirtazapine. 27/12/23 stopped mirtazapine & reinstated citalopram @.35mg. 1/1/24 increased to 0.5mg. PTSD diagnosis October 2023. 11/11/23 started EMDR therapy for PTSD. Multiple unsuccessful attempts to taper off citalopram. Vegan, otherwise healthy lifestyle. Other medications; tapering off combined HRT. Other supplements; magnesium glycinate, vegan omega3. Completely OFF caffeine (since July 21). Finding it difficult to completely give up alcohol but haven’t had any since 25/12/23. Main symptoms; crushing depression, anhedonia/emotional anesthesia, irritability, rage, anxiety/fear, intrusive thoughts, cognitive fog, inability to focus, restlessness and some insomnia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kat66 Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 On 6/3/2022 at 10:28 PM, 00ColdTurkey said: @Kat66 hey, I'm grateful that you're feeling less alone now and found a little comfort. ☺️ Sometimes you've got to look in those little corners to find someone with the same battle. You asked both me and pollyjay to give our updates, as I'm me (lol), here's my update! I ate a CBD * see note below infused cookie earlier. I have NEVER tried CBD before, but whoa! That smallest amount has given me some great relief. I wouldn't even be writing this comment if it weren't for the cookie, I would be trembling in fear. I hope someday everyone on here wakes up one day without a single withdrawal symptom anymore. That their brain's are healed and they're free to do everything they might've not been able to do before! Sending hugs. * MOD NOTE: What works for one member might not work for you. SA strongly encourages members to be very cautious and to do their own research before trying anything new and if you do decide to try something, then to start with a very small dose to see how you react. cannabis-marijuana-hashish-thc-cbd-cannabidiol-or-hemp-oil Hi @00ColdTurkey I'm glad you found some relief after eating the cookie. I've wondered myself about CBD but am wary about trying too may supplements and overwhelming my CNS. Yes I hope one day we'll all be healed. In the meantime, one step at a time. Thanks for your update xx 1 History of depression and anxiety. Symptoms of PTSD. 1998-1999 Venlafaxine 2006-2007 Prozac.2013-15 Sertraline 50mg. 2015 cross-tapered to citalopram 20mg. 2015-2021 Citalopram 20mg (brief increase to 30mg for 2/3 months in 2019. 01/2021 Dropped from 20mg to 10mg, back up to 20mg til June. 25/6/21 stopped CT. Started 50mg 5htp after a week without citalopram in the hope this would balance out my serotonin levels. After 3 days increased to 100mg 5htp. 11/7/21 Stopped 5htp with the intention of reinstating citalopram at 1mg. 16/7/21 Reinstated cit at 1mg. 2/8/21 Increased dose to 2mg. 28/11/21 10% reduction to 1.8mg. 8/12/21 2mg 6/1/22 1.8mg 10/2/22 1.6mg 13/5/22 1.5mg 4/6/22 1.55mg 4/7/22 1.4mg 4/8/22 1.25mg 1/11/22 1.1mg 3/3/23 1mg 18/4/23 0.9mg 2/6/23 0.8mg 4/10/23 0.7mg 11/11/23 jumped off @0.7mg started on 5htp 200mg -400mg, L-Theanine, and L-tyrosine 200mg. 25/11/23 came off 5-htp, l-tyrosine and l-Theanine. 24/12/23 went on 7.5mg mirtazapine. 27/12/23 stopped mirtazapine & reinstated citalopram @.35mg. 1/1/24 increased to 0.5mg. PTSD diagnosis October 2023. 11/11/23 started EMDR therapy for PTSD. Multiple unsuccessful attempts to taper off citalopram. Vegan, otherwise healthy lifestyle. Other medications; tapering off combined HRT. Other supplements; magnesium glycinate, vegan omega3. Completely OFF caffeine (since July 21). Finding it difficult to completely give up alcohol but haven’t had any since 25/12/23. Main symptoms; crushing depression, anhedonia/emotional anesthesia, irritability, rage, anxiety/fear, intrusive thoughts, cognitive fog, inability to focus, restlessness and some insomnia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
00ColdTurkey Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 23 hours ago, Kat66 said: Hi @00ColdTurkey I'm glad you found some relief after eating the cookie. I've wondered myself about CBD but am wary about trying too may supplements and overwhelming my CNS. Yes I hope one day we'll all be healed. In the meantime, one step at a time. Thanks for your update xx It did give me relief, but it stole my emotions from me... It's a wise choice to wait for the CNS to heal before trying anything like CBD. Even small supplements like zinc might disturb someone's nervous system. Riseridone (dose unknown) 2010 (no approximate end, short-term use), Aspergers. Tapered. Fluxoetine 10mg 13/14. Direct switch to -- Citalopram 2014/14. Quetiapine 2014/14. 1 week. (Cold turkey, advised by NHS). Risperidone, 20th March 2016, cold turkey April 10th, 2016 Zoloft, April, 2016, 25mg, increased to 50mg in May, increased to 100mg in late 2016, decreased to 50mg, September 2019(Accidentally)weaned myself off. Reinstated Zoloft 50mg for 3 days - March 23rd to 26th. Early 2021 (changed brand of Zoloft. Tapered down. Med free since 11th February. Waiting to see if any windows happen). Supplements (occasionally l theanine 300mg, trialing CBD) Took a small light dab of powder, barely a compound. Deciding to wait and see what happens afterwards, not wanting to reinstate now. Took a small dose of L-Theanine (under 20mg). Negative reaction included: sweating, mania, head pressure, head tingling, worse insomnia. Not touching anything ever again. Anhedonic since March 2020! Using a THC free edible on the 5th June ruined everything. Insomnia, no appetite, numbness, DP/DR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kat66 Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 54 minutes ago, 00ColdTurkey said: It did give me relief, but it stole my emotions from me... It's a wise choice to wait for the CNS to heal before trying anything like CBD. Even small supplements like zinc might disturb someone's nervous system. Did it give you anhedonia? That's not good. Yes, I'm starting to realise that it really is a case of keep it simple. Minimal interference with the healing process, as tempting as it is to throw in a million supplements. 3 History of depression and anxiety. Symptoms of PTSD. 1998-1999 Venlafaxine 2006-2007 Prozac.2013-15 Sertraline 50mg. 2015 cross-tapered to citalopram 20mg. 2015-2021 Citalopram 20mg (brief increase to 30mg for 2/3 months in 2019. 01/2021 Dropped from 20mg to 10mg, back up to 20mg til June. 25/6/21 stopped CT. Started 50mg 5htp after a week without citalopram in the hope this would balance out my serotonin levels. After 3 days increased to 100mg 5htp. 11/7/21 Stopped 5htp with the intention of reinstating citalopram at 1mg. 16/7/21 Reinstated cit at 1mg. 2/8/21 Increased dose to 2mg. 28/11/21 10% reduction to 1.8mg. 8/12/21 2mg 6/1/22 1.8mg 10/2/22 1.6mg 13/5/22 1.5mg 4/6/22 1.55mg 4/7/22 1.4mg 4/8/22 1.25mg 1/11/22 1.1mg 3/3/23 1mg 18/4/23 0.9mg 2/6/23 0.8mg 4/10/23 0.7mg 11/11/23 jumped off @0.7mg started on 5htp 200mg -400mg, L-Theanine, and L-tyrosine 200mg. 25/11/23 came off 5-htp, l-tyrosine and l-Theanine. 24/12/23 went on 7.5mg mirtazapine. 27/12/23 stopped mirtazapine & reinstated citalopram @.35mg. 1/1/24 increased to 0.5mg. PTSD diagnosis October 2023. 11/11/23 started EMDR therapy for PTSD. Multiple unsuccessful attempts to taper off citalopram. Vegan, otherwise healthy lifestyle. Other medications; tapering off combined HRT. Other supplements; magnesium glycinate, vegan omega3. Completely OFF caffeine (since July 21). Finding it difficult to completely give up alcohol but haven’t had any since 25/12/23. Main symptoms; crushing depression, anhedonia/emotional anesthesia, irritability, rage, anxiety/fear, intrusive thoughts, cognitive fog, inability to focus, restlessness and some insomnia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ariel Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 On 4/10/2011 at 7:58 PM, Altostrata said: Please, Claudius, forgive yourself. You were acting under the influence of neuro-emotion. Fortunately, you escaped punishment with a valuable lesson: Take care of yourself by not creating drama. Think carefully about whether the consequences of your actions will benefit you. I can say this because I do the same thing!!! I guess that horrible as this condition is, it does show us where we need to learn to take care of ourselves. I appreciate this compassionate, insightful comment. It really resonates with me today. 1 1996-2018 - misc. polypharmacy, incl. SSRIs, SNRIs, neuroleptics, lithium, benzos, stimulants, antihistamines, etc. (approx. 30+ drugs) 2012-2018 - 10mg lexapro/escitalopram (20mg?) Jan. 2018 - 10mg -> 5mg, then from 5mg -> 2.5mg, then 0mg --> July 2018 - 0mg 2017(?)-2020 - vyvanse/lisdexamfetamine 60-70mg 2020-2021 - 70mg down to 0mg --> July 2021 - 0mg March-April 2021 - vortioxetine 5-10mg (approx. 7 weeks total; CT) --> April 28th, 2021 - 0mg August 2021 - 2mg melatonin August 1, 2022 - 1mg melatonin March 31, 2023 - 0mg melatonin 2024 supplements update: electrolyte blend in water sipped throughout the day; 1 tsp fish oil blend w/ morning meal (incl. vit. A+D+E); calcium; vitamin C+zinc Courage is fear that has said its prayers. - Karle Wilson Baker love and justice are not two. without inner change, there can be no outer change; without collective change, no change matters. - Rev. angel Kyodo williams Holding multiple truths. Knowing that everyone has their own accurate view of the way things are. - text on homemade banner at Afiya house I am not a medical professional; this is not medical advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashton1226 Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 If I keep feeling intense anxiety and fear I’m going to do something bad to myself even though I don’t want to are these neuro-emotions? I don’t really even feel sad it’s just like these thoughts appear and terrify me. I do get upset though thinking I won’t be the same again. Started Wellbutrin 2017 Dr told me to stop cold turkey 2018 had withdrawal. Started Zoloft 2018 made me feel like a zombie switched to Desvenlafaxine 25 mg ER. Tapered off Desvenlafaxine for 2 weeks in April. Just started Prozac 10 mg 6/13/22 for what I believe is withdrawal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kat66 Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 11 hours ago, Ashton1226 said: If I keep feeling intense anxiety and fear I’m going to do something bad to myself even though I don’t want to are these neuro-emotions? I don’t really even feel sad it’s just like these thoughts appear and terrify me. I do get upset though thinking I won’t be the same again. I can relate to this. I feel like I may be capable of doing something bad to others, causing a massive scene in public, and it’s as if I have this ‘layer’ of feelings/anxiety that exists over the top of the real me. These ‘feelings’ and anxieties are in control even though I know they are somehow not real. Going off what’s been said on this thread I’d say neuroemotions are at play here. Am I anywhere close to describing what you’re feeling? And yes you’re right, it is terrifying. I too get upset thinking I will never be back to who I was before. History of depression and anxiety. Symptoms of PTSD. 1998-1999 Venlafaxine 2006-2007 Prozac.2013-15 Sertraline 50mg. 2015 cross-tapered to citalopram 20mg. 2015-2021 Citalopram 20mg (brief increase to 30mg for 2/3 months in 2019. 01/2021 Dropped from 20mg to 10mg, back up to 20mg til June. 25/6/21 stopped CT. Started 50mg 5htp after a week without citalopram in the hope this would balance out my serotonin levels. After 3 days increased to 100mg 5htp. 11/7/21 Stopped 5htp with the intention of reinstating citalopram at 1mg. 16/7/21 Reinstated cit at 1mg. 2/8/21 Increased dose to 2mg. 28/11/21 10% reduction to 1.8mg. 8/12/21 2mg 6/1/22 1.8mg 10/2/22 1.6mg 13/5/22 1.5mg 4/6/22 1.55mg 4/7/22 1.4mg 4/8/22 1.25mg 1/11/22 1.1mg 3/3/23 1mg 18/4/23 0.9mg 2/6/23 0.8mg 4/10/23 0.7mg 11/11/23 jumped off @0.7mg started on 5htp 200mg -400mg, L-Theanine, and L-tyrosine 200mg. 25/11/23 came off 5-htp, l-tyrosine and l-Theanine. 24/12/23 went on 7.5mg mirtazapine. 27/12/23 stopped mirtazapine & reinstated citalopram @.35mg. 1/1/24 increased to 0.5mg. PTSD diagnosis October 2023. 11/11/23 started EMDR therapy for PTSD. Multiple unsuccessful attempts to taper off citalopram. Vegan, otherwise healthy lifestyle. Other medications; tapering off combined HRT. Other supplements; magnesium glycinate, vegan omega3. Completely OFF caffeine (since July 21). Finding it difficult to completely give up alcohol but haven’t had any since 25/12/23. Main symptoms; crushing depression, anhedonia/emotional anesthesia, irritability, rage, anxiety/fear, intrusive thoughts, cognitive fog, inability to focus, restlessness and some insomnia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catmama Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 On 6/19/2022 at 4:21 PM, Ashton1226 said: If I keep feeling intense anxiety and fear I’m going to do something bad to myself even though I don’t want to are these neuro-emotions? I don’t really even feel sad it’s just like these thoughts appear and terrify me. I do get upset though thinking I won’t be the same again. This sounds like intrusive thoughts. It's surprisingly common. It can be linked to OCD, but not always. It's hard, but when these thoughts pop into your mind, instead of dwelling on them or judging yourself for having them, try to just let them pass through your mind like any other random thought. I used to struggle with this as well, and it was especially hard when my anxiety and depression were at their worst. But over time it got better. There are a lot of online tools and info to help with this. Good luck! • 2013-2015: paroxetine, with brief switch to sertraline, and brief combo with bupropion • 2015: got off all antidepressant meds for approx 9-12 months, felt great • 2015: fluoxetine, bad side effects, quit after two weeks • 2015: escitalopram 15mg/day • Summer 2019: attempted fast taper off escitalopram, reinstated to 15mg/day dose after six weeks • October 16, 2020: begin taper off escitalopram at rate of 1mg per 1 week (sometimes per 2 weeks) using 1mg/ml liquid from pharmacy • Jan 22, 2021: down to 3mg and holding due to worsening of WD symptoms • Feb 4, 2021: updose to 4mg holding • Feb 2021: tapering at 10% every 28 days • Jul 2021: begin using microtaper of 2.5% per week • Feb 2022: down to 1.43mg and experiencing worsening WD symptoms, updose to 1.45mg and holding • Mar 2022: resume microtaper schedule, lowest dose: 1.34 mg • Mar 2022: extended hold at 1.36 mg •Jul 2022: resume 10% taper • Apr 2-Jun 21, 2023 extended hold at 0.5mg • Jun 9, 2023 massive life stress situation triggered WD wave, Jun 15-16 took 5mg dose, Jun 17-21 back to 0.5mg dose • Jun 22 small updose to 0.58mg • Jul 1-2 tried 2.5mg, suffered adverse affects (anxiety, can’t eat, palpitations, electric jolts in chest) • Jul 1, 2023 - Jan 3, 2024 long hold at 1mg, slowly stabilizing after crash • Jan 4 resume taper 0.98mg Jan 11 0.95mg Supplements: vitamin D3 with K2, vitamin C, iron, magnesium glycinate, EPA/DHA essentials fish oil, melatonin(as needed) Other prescription meds: levothyroxine 75 mcg (for hypothyroidism), lorazepam 0.25 to 0.5mg (as needed, which is almost never), zofran 2 to 4mg (as needed) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ariel Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 Isn't it interesting we don't talk about the potential of positive neuro-emotions? (At least I have yet to see this mentioned.) I see no reason why we might experience neuro-fear but not neuro-joy. This evening I may be feeling neuro-exuberance. People sometimes describe having what they call WD "hypomania" (I don't like that term because it smacks of the psychiatric); perhaps such energized states may equally well be categorized as swells and surges of positive neuro-emotion. 3 1996-2018 - misc. polypharmacy, incl. SSRIs, SNRIs, neuroleptics, lithium, benzos, stimulants, antihistamines, etc. (approx. 30+ drugs) 2012-2018 - 10mg lexapro/escitalopram (20mg?) Jan. 2018 - 10mg -> 5mg, then from 5mg -> 2.5mg, then 0mg --> July 2018 - 0mg 2017(?)-2020 - vyvanse/lisdexamfetamine 60-70mg 2020-2021 - 70mg down to 0mg --> July 2021 - 0mg March-April 2021 - vortioxetine 5-10mg (approx. 7 weeks total; CT) --> April 28th, 2021 - 0mg August 2021 - 2mg melatonin August 1, 2022 - 1mg melatonin March 31, 2023 - 0mg melatonin 2024 supplements update: electrolyte blend in water sipped throughout the day; 1 tsp fish oil blend w/ morning meal (incl. vit. A+D+E); calcium; vitamin C+zinc Courage is fear that has said its prayers. - Karle Wilson Baker love and justice are not two. without inner change, there can be no outer change; without collective change, no change matters. - Rev. angel Kyodo williams Holding multiple truths. Knowing that everyone has their own accurate view of the way things are. - text on homemade banner at Afiya house I am not a medical professional; this is not medical advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Onmyway Posted June 23, 2022 Moderator Share Posted June 23, 2022 I have had positive neuroemotions/emotional spirals. The problem with them is that I recognize that they are too much for what the situation warrants and they can still lead to bad decisions and even make me feel uncomfortable as they get stronger. They can be quite nice for a while though. 2 "Nothing so small as a moment is insurmountable, and moments are all that we have. You have survived every trial and tribulation that life has thrown at you up until this very instant. When future troubles come—and they will come—a version of you will be born into that moment that can conquer them, too." - Kevin Koenig I am not a doctor and this should not be considered medical advice. You can use the information and recommendations provided in whatever way you want and all decisions on your treatment are yours. In the next few weeks I do not have a lot of capacity to respond to questions. If you need a quick answer pls tag or ask other moderators who may want to be tagged. Aug 2000 - July 2003 (ct, 4-6 wk wd) , citalopram 20 mg, xanax prn, wellbutrin for a few months, trazodone prn Dec 2004 - July 2018 citalopram 20 mg, xanax prn (rarely used) Aug 2018 - citalopram 40 mg (self titrated up) September 2018 - January 2019 tapered citalopram - 40/30/20/10/5 no issues until a week after reaching 0 Feb 2019 0.25 xanax - 0.5/day (3 weeks) over to klonopin 0.25 once a day to manage severe wd March 6, reinstated citalopram 2.5 mg (liquid), klonopin 0.25 mg for sleep 2-3 times a week Apr 1st citalopram 2.0 mg (liquid), klonopin 0.25 once a week (off by 4/14/19- no tapering) citalopram (liquid) 4/14/19 -1.8 mg, 5/8/19 - 1.6 mg, 7/27/19 -1.5 mg, 8/15/19 - 1.35, 2/21/21 - 1.1 (smaller drops in between), 6/20/21 - 1.03 mg, 8/7/21- 1.025, 8/11/21 - 1.02, 8/15/21 - 1.015, 9/3/21 - 0.925 (fingers crossed!), 10/8/21 - 0.9, 10/18/21 - 0.875, 12/31/21 - 0.85, 1/7/22 - 0.825, 1/14/22 - 0.8, 1/22/22 - 0.785, 8/18/22 - 0.59, 12/15/2022 - 0.48, 2/15/22 - 0.43, 25/07/23 - 0.25 (mistake), 6/08/23 - 0.33mg Supplements: magnesium citrate and bi-glycinate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted June 23, 2022 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted June 23, 2022 I sometimes get "over enthusiastic". On 6/22/2022 at 6:15 AM, Ariel said: People sometimes describe having what they call WD "hypomania" I think you mean hyper (excess or exaggeration) not hypo (low or below normal). 2 * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Onmyway Posted June 23, 2022 Moderator Share Posted June 23, 2022 No hypomania is what psychiatrists call being elated but not quite fulfilling the requirements to be designated as mania. Mania would involve very highly elevated levels of energy and behavioral issues that are not characteristic of the person - gambling, promiscuity, shoplifting, driving irresponsibly etc., no need for sleep for long periods of time. I have observed the latter in someone close to me but due to being treated with a cocktail of ADs for depression. Hypomania does not reach those levels. 1 "Nothing so small as a moment is insurmountable, and moments are all that we have. You have survived every trial and tribulation that life has thrown at you up until this very instant. When future troubles come—and they will come—a version of you will be born into that moment that can conquer them, too." - Kevin Koenig I am not a doctor and this should not be considered medical advice. You can use the information and recommendations provided in whatever way you want and all decisions on your treatment are yours. In the next few weeks I do not have a lot of capacity to respond to questions. If you need a quick answer pls tag or ask other moderators who may want to be tagged. Aug 2000 - July 2003 (ct, 4-6 wk wd) , citalopram 20 mg, xanax prn, wellbutrin for a few months, trazodone prn Dec 2004 - July 2018 citalopram 20 mg, xanax prn (rarely used) Aug 2018 - citalopram 40 mg (self titrated up) September 2018 - January 2019 tapered citalopram - 40/30/20/10/5 no issues until a week after reaching 0 Feb 2019 0.25 xanax - 0.5/day (3 weeks) over to klonopin 0.25 once a day to manage severe wd March 6, reinstated citalopram 2.5 mg (liquid), klonopin 0.25 mg for sleep 2-3 times a week Apr 1st citalopram 2.0 mg (liquid), klonopin 0.25 once a week (off by 4/14/19- no tapering) citalopram (liquid) 4/14/19 -1.8 mg, 5/8/19 - 1.6 mg, 7/27/19 -1.5 mg, 8/15/19 - 1.35, 2/21/21 - 1.1 (smaller drops in between), 6/20/21 - 1.03 mg, 8/7/21- 1.025, 8/11/21 - 1.02, 8/15/21 - 1.015, 9/3/21 - 0.925 (fingers crossed!), 10/8/21 - 0.9, 10/18/21 - 0.875, 12/31/21 - 0.85, 1/7/22 - 0.825, 1/14/22 - 0.8, 1/22/22 - 0.785, 8/18/22 - 0.59, 12/15/2022 - 0.48, 2/15/22 - 0.43, 25/07/23 - 0.25 (mistake), 6/08/23 - 0.33mg Supplements: magnesium citrate and bi-glycinate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldDodgy Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 (edited) @Onmyway That is an excellent summary of the manic/ hypomanic position. I have witnessed many cases of true mania sadly often triggered by the use of Snri and Ssri medication. Hence it’s relevance in SA and my concerns regarding prescribing habits. Hypomania or Bipolar 2 disorder has been reclassified recently and the use of quetiapine etc has increased markedly in recent years. Though hypomania can be relatively benign, the exuberance and overactity in that state can be quite alarming for friends and relatives. In the U.K. bipolar 2 should be reported to the driving licence medics who sometimes revoke a license or issue short term licences after a psychiatrist has evaluated the person. The sad part is that the bipolar 2 patients are often prone to episodes of major depressive disorder. OD Edited June 23, 2022 by OldDodgy Missed sentence My Intro topic. Was Dickie in FB gabapentinoids 2020 January Stopped Quetiapine 150 at night in a fairly chaotic fashion with holds, jumping at 6mg 2020 June Stopped Pregabalin 150 at night using Ashton Method Some holds. 2021 December Stopped Mirtazipine 15 using Ashton Method. (Slower at end). Nov 21 - Given Quetiapine 12.5 for sleep. Reduced mid March 2022 to 6mg - Off 30/5/22 Feb 2022 Ongoing Diazepam 17.5, Blip at Christmas when took 22.5mg for a few days, now 24 FEB Stable 17.5 as advised. Had long covid. Now going to 16.25 from 8/7/22. 7% drop Oxazepam 10mg.STOPPED 10th FEB 2022 “Rescue dose x 2 in 2 months. Buccastem 3mg less than 1 a month for nausea. Past meds since 1969 -Approx dates only available. Tranxene 15, Clomipramine 150 for about 25 years. 1993 Paroxetine 20 AD change. Diazepam 20mg swap from Tranxene. Oxazepam 10mg Prn since 1990's 1995 Trial of MAOIS. 2000 Escitaopram 10mg. 2015 trial of Trazadone. 2004 Pregabalin 150 at night. 2015 Started on Quetiapine 150 note, Mirtazipine 15 note. Diazepam increased to 30mg split dosing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Onmyway Posted June 23, 2022 Moderator Share Posted June 23, 2022 Yep, in my friend this would alternate with 18-24 hrs of sleep with deep depression where the person was completely out of it - missed work. It was so hard to watch. At one point they were on 5 different psychiatric drugs starting after a depression, followed by a prescription cascade. "Nothing so small as a moment is insurmountable, and moments are all that we have. You have survived every trial and tribulation that life has thrown at you up until this very instant. When future troubles come—and they will come—a version of you will be born into that moment that can conquer them, too." - Kevin Koenig I am not a doctor and this should not be considered medical advice. You can use the information and recommendations provided in whatever way you want and all decisions on your treatment are yours. In the next few weeks I do not have a lot of capacity to respond to questions. If you need a quick answer pls tag or ask other moderators who may want to be tagged. Aug 2000 - July 2003 (ct, 4-6 wk wd) , citalopram 20 mg, xanax prn, wellbutrin for a few months, trazodone prn Dec 2004 - July 2018 citalopram 20 mg, xanax prn (rarely used) Aug 2018 - citalopram 40 mg (self titrated up) September 2018 - January 2019 tapered citalopram - 40/30/20/10/5 no issues until a week after reaching 0 Feb 2019 0.25 xanax - 0.5/day (3 weeks) over to klonopin 0.25 once a day to manage severe wd March 6, reinstated citalopram 2.5 mg (liquid), klonopin 0.25 mg for sleep 2-3 times a week Apr 1st citalopram 2.0 mg (liquid), klonopin 0.25 once a week (off by 4/14/19- no tapering) citalopram (liquid) 4/14/19 -1.8 mg, 5/8/19 - 1.6 mg, 7/27/19 -1.5 mg, 8/15/19 - 1.35, 2/21/21 - 1.1 (smaller drops in between), 6/20/21 - 1.03 mg, 8/7/21- 1.025, 8/11/21 - 1.02, 8/15/21 - 1.015, 9/3/21 - 0.925 (fingers crossed!), 10/8/21 - 0.9, 10/18/21 - 0.875, 12/31/21 - 0.85, 1/7/22 - 0.825, 1/14/22 - 0.8, 1/22/22 - 0.785, 8/18/22 - 0.59, 12/15/2022 - 0.48, 2/15/22 - 0.43, 25/07/23 - 0.25 (mistake), 6/08/23 - 0.33mg Supplements: magnesium citrate and bi-glycinate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldDodgy Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 @Onmyway The sad thing is that they often treat mania and hypomania with anti psychotic meds. Prof Joanna Moncrieff has done a very good talk on this where she states careful care with minimal medication is preferable. You might find googling “Hypomania 32 score” of interest- though it’s not perfect. OD My Intro topic. Was Dickie in FB gabapentinoids 2020 January Stopped Quetiapine 150 at night in a fairly chaotic fashion with holds, jumping at 6mg 2020 June Stopped Pregabalin 150 at night using Ashton Method Some holds. 2021 December Stopped Mirtazipine 15 using Ashton Method. (Slower at end). Nov 21 - Given Quetiapine 12.5 for sleep. Reduced mid March 2022 to 6mg - Off 30/5/22 Feb 2022 Ongoing Diazepam 17.5, Blip at Christmas when took 22.5mg for a few days, now 24 FEB Stable 17.5 as advised. Had long covid. Now going to 16.25 from 8/7/22. 7% drop Oxazepam 10mg.STOPPED 10th FEB 2022 “Rescue dose x 2 in 2 months. Buccastem 3mg less than 1 a month for nausea. Past meds since 1969 -Approx dates only available. Tranxene 15, Clomipramine 150 for about 25 years. 1993 Paroxetine 20 AD change. Diazepam 20mg swap from Tranxene. Oxazepam 10mg Prn since 1990's 1995 Trial of MAOIS. 2000 Escitaopram 10mg. 2015 trial of Trazadone. 2004 Pregabalin 150 at night. 2015 Started on Quetiapine 150 note, Mirtazipine 15 note. Diazepam increased to 30mg split dosing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted June 23, 2022 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted June 23, 2022 2 hours ago, Onmyway said: No hypomania is what psychiatrists call being elated but not quite fulfilling the requirements to be designated as mania. Okay, thanks. * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
00ColdTurkey Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 Does anyone know if it's still possible to heal from withdrawal even when you're in intense stress a lot of the time..? I hope I do... I can't shake the thoughts that well. Even though I'm trying my best to fight them. I can't sleep at night as I get adrenaline rushes. I have to keep reminding myself I'm a normal person, that it's okay to be cringy, it's okay to enjoy life. It's really hard. It makes me anhedonic at times. I can't relax. Body shakes. I really hope I still can recover even if my anxiety persists a lot through this... 😭😭 1 Riseridone (dose unknown) 2010 (no approximate end, short-term use), Aspergers. Tapered. Fluxoetine 10mg 13/14. Direct switch to -- Citalopram 2014/14. Quetiapine 2014/14. 1 week. (Cold turkey, advised by NHS). Risperidone, 20th March 2016, cold turkey April 10th, 2016 Zoloft, April, 2016, 25mg, increased to 50mg in May, increased to 100mg in late 2016, decreased to 50mg, September 2019(Accidentally)weaned myself off. Reinstated Zoloft 50mg for 3 days - March 23rd to 26th. Early 2021 (changed brand of Zoloft. Tapered down. Med free since 11th February. Waiting to see if any windows happen). Supplements (occasionally l theanine 300mg, trialing CBD) Took a small light dab of powder, barely a compound. Deciding to wait and see what happens afterwards, not wanting to reinstate now. Took a small dose of L-Theanine (under 20mg). Negative reaction included: sweating, mania, head pressure, head tingling, worse insomnia. Not touching anything ever again. Anhedonic since March 2020! Using a THC free edible on the 5th June ruined everything. Insomnia, no appetite, numbness, DP/DR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ariel Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 44 minutes ago, 00ColdTurkey said: Does anyone know if it's still possible to heal from withdrawal even when you're in intense stress a lot of the time..? Do you mean, is it possible to heal from WD while in WD? ;-) Yes it is. 2 1996-2018 - misc. polypharmacy, incl. SSRIs, SNRIs, neuroleptics, lithium, benzos, stimulants, antihistamines, etc. (approx. 30+ drugs) 2012-2018 - 10mg lexapro/escitalopram (20mg?) Jan. 2018 - 10mg -> 5mg, then from 5mg -> 2.5mg, then 0mg --> July 2018 - 0mg 2017(?)-2020 - vyvanse/lisdexamfetamine 60-70mg 2020-2021 - 70mg down to 0mg --> July 2021 - 0mg March-April 2021 - vortioxetine 5-10mg (approx. 7 weeks total; CT) --> April 28th, 2021 - 0mg August 2021 - 2mg melatonin August 1, 2022 - 1mg melatonin March 31, 2023 - 0mg melatonin 2024 supplements update: electrolyte blend in water sipped throughout the day; 1 tsp fish oil blend w/ morning meal (incl. vit. A+D+E); calcium; vitamin C+zinc Courage is fear that has said its prayers. - Karle Wilson Baker love and justice are not two. without inner change, there can be no outer change; without collective change, no change matters. - Rev. angel Kyodo williams Holding multiple truths. Knowing that everyone has their own accurate view of the way things are. - text on homemade banner at Afiya house I am not a medical professional; this is not medical advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ariel Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 This post by SunnyRainyDays brilliantly describes the experience of neuro-anxiety and neuro-fear: 13 hours ago, SunnyRainyDays said: Normally reassuring and challenging the thoughts with solid proof and facts makes my anxiety go away, but not this one - withdrawal anxiety won’t go away no matter what I do - I just have to sit with it. The neuro-anxiety puts me 24/7 in a flight-or-fight mode. My anxious brain now interprets every single thought and action as “danger”. I daydream for one minute: You must have maladaptive daydreaming. My mind wanders for a few seconds while doing a hour long task: You must have ADHD I want to play a video game that has a few drops of blood: Don’t play it, it will make you violent I scratch my skin because it itches: You might go ill and scratch your skin bloody to excess And so on and on. There aren’t even the “what if you have …” questions that anxiety normally does, but it’s straight out “You (must) have …” Today I was afraid to leave my house for no reason. The fears come and go as they wish, one day I’ll have them and on another I don’t. The combination with other neuro emotions that appear from time to time like random hostility out of nowhere make it worse. Weird though that it is afraid of every mental problem but anxiety disorders - if it would be then it would practically eliminate itself by avoiding worrying. But it’d rather be scared of daydreaming, logically. Why is it scared most of daydreaming??? Probably because it’s so common and human that it’s unavoidable, and anxiety hates unavoidable things… I tried reassuring, showing proof that the thought is impossible and stupid, but no matter what I do it won’t even decrease a bit. (I researched the topics my mind is afraid of and it didn’t help - it’s like talking to a moron. It holds to its belief no matter what. I compared the “mental disorders” to myself and even though I fit none my anxiety still insists I probably have it. I even took the official test for Maladaptive daydreaming which you need a score of 40+ points to even be considered a MDer, my score was 17,5, not even the half of it, but my anxious mind doesn’t care and won’t shut up. Each time my mind wanders off my anxiety flares up. Same with every topic. Can’t concentrate once in a while? Danger, very, very bad.) Everything that I do is accompanied by extreme judgement from my anxious mind. Pity my anxious brain doesn’t notice that most of the problems come from the anxiety itself. All I can do for now is to ignore or distract myself and let it pass along with the withdrawal. Mostly it makes me avoid and not do the things that flare it up, this time facing fears is useless as it leaves me in even more distress. Yup, withdrawal anxiety is something completely else than normal anxiety and now I know that. SunnyRainyDays' original comment here 2 1996-2018 - misc. polypharmacy, incl. SSRIs, SNRIs, neuroleptics, lithium, benzos, stimulants, antihistamines, etc. (approx. 30+ drugs) 2012-2018 - 10mg lexapro/escitalopram (20mg?) Jan. 2018 - 10mg -> 5mg, then from 5mg -> 2.5mg, then 0mg --> July 2018 - 0mg 2017(?)-2020 - vyvanse/lisdexamfetamine 60-70mg 2020-2021 - 70mg down to 0mg --> July 2021 - 0mg March-April 2021 - vortioxetine 5-10mg (approx. 7 weeks total; CT) --> April 28th, 2021 - 0mg August 2021 - 2mg melatonin August 1, 2022 - 1mg melatonin March 31, 2023 - 0mg melatonin 2024 supplements update: electrolyte blend in water sipped throughout the day; 1 tsp fish oil blend w/ morning meal (incl. vit. A+D+E); calcium; vitamin C+zinc Courage is fear that has said its prayers. - Karle Wilson Baker love and justice are not two. without inner change, there can be no outer change; without collective change, no change matters. - Rev. angel Kyodo williams Holding multiple truths. Knowing that everyone has their own accurate view of the way things are. - text on homemade banner at Afiya house I am not a medical professional; this is not medical advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUglyWithdrawal Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 anyone here have non stop crying daily all day, daily impending dooms, waking up at 9 or 10 am with feeling like about to die, cold chills,, and bad body aches, Lexapro 25mg January 2016- January 2017 Lexapro 30mg January 2017- January 2018 Lexapro 35 mg January 2018 - January 2019 Lexapro 40mg January 2019-january 2020 Lexapro 35mg January 2020- September 2020 Lexapro 20mg September 2020-December 2020 Lexapro 15mg December 2020-January 2021 Lexapro 20 mg February 2021- April 2021 Lexapro 10 mg 5am-10 mg pm April 2021 - May 2021 Pristiq 25 mg am Lexapro 10 mg pm May- June 2021 Lexapro 10 mg pm- Pristiq 50 mg am june-2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazzlingCold Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 On 7/16/2022 at 12:52 PM, TheUglyWithdrawal said: anyone here have non stop crying daily all day, daily impending dooms, waking up at 9 or 10 am with feeling like about to die, cold chills,, and bad body aches, Im a tad late, but you aren’t alone my friend. A lot of us go through this and other WD symptoms. Wishing you some peace. We are all in this together. 2002-2021: 19 yrs on/off psychotropics 2/2022: Wellbutrin 150mg, Lexapro 20mg 3/22: Wellbutrin 150mg xl, Lexapro 10mg 4/22: Wellbutrin 150xl, Lexapro 5mg 4/2022: Lexa 7.5mg total, Wellbutrin 150mg 5/2022: Wellb 112.5mg xl, Lexa 7.5mg (Stopped Clonazepam & Hydroxyzine- didn't take often) 6/2022: Welbutrin 111mg xl, Lexa 6.8mg 8/2022: Wellbutrin 100mg xl, Lexa 6.8mg 10/9/22: Wellbutrin 100 mg IR, Lexa 6.5 mg 11/3/22: Wellbutrin 96 mg IR, Lexa 6.5 mg 11/30/22: Wellbutrin 96 mg IR, Lexa 6 mg 3/15/23: Wellbutrin 96 mg IR, Lexa 6.2 mg??? Other Daily Meds: Singulair 10mg, Zyrtec 10mg, Spiriva Respimat inhaler. Rarely taking: OTC pain relievers, Diclofenac, Cyclobenzaprine, anti acids Supplements: Fish oil 1300mg, Nigella oil, Mag Glycinate 200mg, Probiotics 30 billion, 1/5 dose prenatals, Melatonin .38mg, (Reishi, Lion's Mane & psilocybin microdosing by cycles) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazzlingCold Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 On 7/6/2022 at 6:09 AM, Ariel said: This post by SunnyRainyDays brilliantly describes the experience of neuro-anxiety and neuro-fear: SunnyRainyDays' original comment here I can relate so much! The struggle is real. 2002-2021: 19 yrs on/off psychotropics 2/2022: Wellbutrin 150mg, Lexapro 20mg 3/22: Wellbutrin 150mg xl, Lexapro 10mg 4/22: Wellbutrin 150xl, Lexapro 5mg 4/2022: Lexa 7.5mg total, Wellbutrin 150mg 5/2022: Wellb 112.5mg xl, Lexa 7.5mg (Stopped Clonazepam & Hydroxyzine- didn't take often) 6/2022: Welbutrin 111mg xl, Lexa 6.8mg 8/2022: Wellbutrin 100mg xl, Lexa 6.8mg 10/9/22: Wellbutrin 100 mg IR, Lexa 6.5 mg 11/3/22: Wellbutrin 96 mg IR, Lexa 6.5 mg 11/30/22: Wellbutrin 96 mg IR, Lexa 6 mg 3/15/23: Wellbutrin 96 mg IR, Lexa 6.2 mg??? Other Daily Meds: Singulair 10mg, Zyrtec 10mg, Spiriva Respimat inhaler. Rarely taking: OTC pain relievers, Diclofenac, Cyclobenzaprine, anti acids Supplements: Fish oil 1300mg, Nigella oil, Mag Glycinate 200mg, Probiotics 30 billion, 1/5 dose prenatals, Melatonin .38mg, (Reishi, Lion's Mane & psilocybin microdosing by cycles) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazzlingCold Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 On 6/25/2022 at 7:44 AM, Ariel said: Do you mean, is it possible to heal from WD while in WD? 😉 Yes it is. @Arieldo share the secret on this one please 2002-2021: 19 yrs on/off psychotropics 2/2022: Wellbutrin 150mg, Lexapro 20mg 3/22: Wellbutrin 150mg xl, Lexapro 10mg 4/22: Wellbutrin 150xl, Lexapro 5mg 4/2022: Lexa 7.5mg total, Wellbutrin 150mg 5/2022: Wellb 112.5mg xl, Lexa 7.5mg (Stopped Clonazepam & Hydroxyzine- didn't take often) 6/2022: Welbutrin 111mg xl, Lexa 6.8mg 8/2022: Wellbutrin 100mg xl, Lexa 6.8mg 10/9/22: Wellbutrin 100 mg IR, Lexa 6.5 mg 11/3/22: Wellbutrin 96 mg IR, Lexa 6.5 mg 11/30/22: Wellbutrin 96 mg IR, Lexa 6 mg 3/15/23: Wellbutrin 96 mg IR, Lexa 6.2 mg??? Other Daily Meds: Singulair 10mg, Zyrtec 10mg, Spiriva Respimat inhaler. Rarely taking: OTC pain relievers, Diclofenac, Cyclobenzaprine, anti acids Supplements: Fish oil 1300mg, Nigella oil, Mag Glycinate 200mg, Probiotics 30 billion, 1/5 dose prenatals, Melatonin .38mg, (Reishi, Lion's Mane & psilocybin microdosing by cycles) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazzlingCold Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 On 6/25/2022 at 6:59 AM, 00ColdTurkey said: Does anyone know if it's still possible to heal from withdrawal even when you're in intense stress a lot of the time..? I hope I do... I can't shake the thoughts that well. Even though I'm trying my best to fight them. I can't sleep at night as I get adrenaline rushes. I have to keep reminding myself I'm a normal person, that it's okay to be cringy, it's okay to enjoy life. It's really hard. It makes me anhedonic at times. I can't relax. Body shakes. I really hope I still can recover even if my anxiety persists a lot through this... 😭😭 It’s painful. I hear you. I hope you have seen better days since your post. Remember to be gentle and kind with yourself through the hard days. (I know I tend to forget this) Wishing you days with peace and healing. 2002-2021: 19 yrs on/off psychotropics 2/2022: Wellbutrin 150mg, Lexapro 20mg 3/22: Wellbutrin 150mg xl, Lexapro 10mg 4/22: Wellbutrin 150xl, Lexapro 5mg 4/2022: Lexa 7.5mg total, Wellbutrin 150mg 5/2022: Wellb 112.5mg xl, Lexa 7.5mg (Stopped Clonazepam & Hydroxyzine- didn't take often) 6/2022: Welbutrin 111mg xl, Lexa 6.8mg 8/2022: Wellbutrin 100mg xl, Lexa 6.8mg 10/9/22: Wellbutrin 100 mg IR, Lexa 6.5 mg 11/3/22: Wellbutrin 96 mg IR, Lexa 6.5 mg 11/30/22: Wellbutrin 96 mg IR, Lexa 6 mg 3/15/23: Wellbutrin 96 mg IR, Lexa 6.2 mg??? Other Daily Meds: Singulair 10mg, Zyrtec 10mg, Spiriva Respimat inhaler. Rarely taking: OTC pain relievers, Diclofenac, Cyclobenzaprine, anti acids Supplements: Fish oil 1300mg, Nigella oil, Mag Glycinate 200mg, Probiotics 30 billion, 1/5 dose prenatals, Melatonin .38mg, (Reishi, Lion's Mane & psilocybin microdosing by cycles) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazzlingCold Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 On 6/21/2022 at 3:15 PM, Ariel said: Isn't it interesting we don't talk about the potential of positive neuro-emotions? (At least I have yet to see this mentioned.) I see no reason why we might experience neuro-fear but not neuro-joy. This evening I may be feeling neuro-exuberance. People sometimes describe having what they call WD "hypomania" (I don't like that term because it smacks of the psychiatric); perhaps such energized states may equally well be categorized as swells and surges of positive neuro-emotion. This is really interesting indeed. Personally, I’ve experienced elevated moods less and less with my last two reductions and more so when/if I drink coffee. These elevated moods never felt real. Just as Onmyway mentioned… they are not proportionate to the event. It feels uncomfortable. Your mention of positive neuro emotions has me wanting to increase my awareness of when/if I experience them differently than the way I experience the uncomfortable elevated moods (that have not happened it at least 6 weeks). I’d love to learn more about these positive neuro emotions and the range of them. 2002-2021: 19 yrs on/off psychotropics 2/2022: Wellbutrin 150mg, Lexapro 20mg 3/22: Wellbutrin 150mg xl, Lexapro 10mg 4/22: Wellbutrin 150xl, Lexapro 5mg 4/2022: Lexa 7.5mg total, Wellbutrin 150mg 5/2022: Wellb 112.5mg xl, Lexa 7.5mg (Stopped Clonazepam & Hydroxyzine- didn't take often) 6/2022: Welbutrin 111mg xl, Lexa 6.8mg 8/2022: Wellbutrin 100mg xl, Lexa 6.8mg 10/9/22: Wellbutrin 100 mg IR, Lexa 6.5 mg 11/3/22: Wellbutrin 96 mg IR, Lexa 6.5 mg 11/30/22: Wellbutrin 96 mg IR, Lexa 6 mg 3/15/23: Wellbutrin 96 mg IR, Lexa 6.2 mg??? Other Daily Meds: Singulair 10mg, Zyrtec 10mg, Spiriva Respimat inhaler. Rarely taking: OTC pain relievers, Diclofenac, Cyclobenzaprine, anti acids Supplements: Fish oil 1300mg, Nigella oil, Mag Glycinate 200mg, Probiotics 30 billion, 1/5 dose prenatals, Melatonin .38mg, (Reishi, Lion's Mane & psilocybin microdosing by cycles) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ariel Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 3 hours ago, DazzlingCold said: These elevated moods never felt real. Just as Onmyway mentioned… they are not proportionate to the event. It feels uncomfortable. Your mention of positive neuro emotions has me wanting to increase my awareness of when/if I experience them differently than the way I experience the uncomfortable elevated moods Yes, I'm curious about this, too. Tiny research committee hereby assembled, let the observations begin! I very rarely experience elevated mood / positive neuro-emotions, so it may take me a while to gather data. But I remember how it used to be, sort of, and look forward to hearing what you notice and comparing notes. 2 1996-2018 - misc. polypharmacy, incl. SSRIs, SNRIs, neuroleptics, lithium, benzos, stimulants, antihistamines, etc. (approx. 30+ drugs) 2012-2018 - 10mg lexapro/escitalopram (20mg?) Jan. 2018 - 10mg -> 5mg, then from 5mg -> 2.5mg, then 0mg --> July 2018 - 0mg 2017(?)-2020 - vyvanse/lisdexamfetamine 60-70mg 2020-2021 - 70mg down to 0mg --> July 2021 - 0mg March-April 2021 - vortioxetine 5-10mg (approx. 7 weeks total; CT) --> April 28th, 2021 - 0mg August 2021 - 2mg melatonin August 1, 2022 - 1mg melatonin March 31, 2023 - 0mg melatonin 2024 supplements update: electrolyte blend in water sipped throughout the day; 1 tsp fish oil blend w/ morning meal (incl. vit. A+D+E); calcium; vitamin C+zinc Courage is fear that has said its prayers. - Karle Wilson Baker love and justice are not two. without inner change, there can be no outer change; without collective change, no change matters. - Rev. angel Kyodo williams Holding multiple truths. Knowing that everyone has their own accurate view of the way things are. - text on homemade banner at Afiya house I am not a medical professional; this is not medical advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazzlingCold Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 On 7/28/2022 at 1:13 AM, Ariel said: Yes, I'm curious about this, too. Tiny research committee hereby assembled, let the observations begin! I very rarely experience elevated mood / positive neuro-emotions, so it may take me a while to gather data. But I remember how it used to be, sort of, and look forward to hearing what you notice and comparing notes. Down for the committee! in the past, I have experienced these moods as high energy and some impulsivity with little peace as I don’t feel completely in the front wheel. It seems it’s been one of the very limited ways in which I experience more joyful states of mind. It doesn’t feel sustainable. When they happen, I feel as if I’m leaving some parts of myself out of the equation. As if it was some low, extended dopamine rush making things happen fast without waiting for other parts if my brain to engage. And , very likely, those other parts of my brain may be unable to engage. Or maybe my expectation of how it should all work is unrealistic haha. What feels good about these moments and moods is the decrease in filtering (perhaps lower overthinking) that allow for freedom of self authenticity. During these, I have more energy to socialize and connect and do things like clean, workout or other activities that may otherwise feel tedious. I don’t believe it’s a bad high high as I don’t really engage in risky behavior, even if I am more spontaneous during thee “episodes”. I don’t splurge, or drive recklessly or use drugs or alcohol or gamble, etc… I first became aware of these states of mind in my 30s and can recall possibly first experiencing them as somewhat uncomfortable in my 20s. But I started taking ADs at 19 so who knows if they were caused by them making them drug induced or if they were going to happen regardless. (Same thing with cognitive issues actually). For me, this experience is challenging as I was gaslighted and invalidated a lot as a child which is already cause of questioning my reality. It’s a challenge to understand what is neuroemotion and what is trauma as both may come with a low ability to dimension an event and respond accordingly. I don’t know if it’s even worth differentiating? Maybe it’s just a matter of becoming aware of how to better respond regardless. looking forward to hearing others stories on this. 2002-2021: 19 yrs on/off psychotropics 2/2022: Wellbutrin 150mg, Lexapro 20mg 3/22: Wellbutrin 150mg xl, Lexapro 10mg 4/22: Wellbutrin 150xl, Lexapro 5mg 4/2022: Lexa 7.5mg total, Wellbutrin 150mg 5/2022: Wellb 112.5mg xl, Lexa 7.5mg (Stopped Clonazepam & Hydroxyzine- didn't take often) 6/2022: Welbutrin 111mg xl, Lexa 6.8mg 8/2022: Wellbutrin 100mg xl, Lexa 6.8mg 10/9/22: Wellbutrin 100 mg IR, Lexa 6.5 mg 11/3/22: Wellbutrin 96 mg IR, Lexa 6.5 mg 11/30/22: Wellbutrin 96 mg IR, Lexa 6 mg 3/15/23: Wellbutrin 96 mg IR, Lexa 6.2 mg??? Other Daily Meds: Singulair 10mg, Zyrtec 10mg, Spiriva Respimat inhaler. Rarely taking: OTC pain relievers, Diclofenac, Cyclobenzaprine, anti acids Supplements: Fish oil 1300mg, Nigella oil, Mag Glycinate 200mg, Probiotics 30 billion, 1/5 dose prenatals, Melatonin .38mg, (Reishi, Lion's Mane & psilocybin microdosing by cycles) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Altostrata Posted August 1, 2022 Administrator Share Posted August 1, 2022 Antidepressants can cause mania or hypomania aka "elevated moods". 1 This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazzlingCold Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 And cognitive issues as well, right? I may have read that statement about ADs causing elevated mood in the past (but well… my cognitive issues here lol). What are these drugs they give us!?! To think of friends who have bought a bipolar diagnosis after antidepressant treatment. the more I learn about these big organizations that bring suffering to so many beings, the more I start to buy conspiracy theories. 2002-2021: 19 yrs on/off psychotropics 2/2022: Wellbutrin 150mg, Lexapro 20mg 3/22: Wellbutrin 150mg xl, Lexapro 10mg 4/22: Wellbutrin 150xl, Lexapro 5mg 4/2022: Lexa 7.5mg total, Wellbutrin 150mg 5/2022: Wellb 112.5mg xl, Lexa 7.5mg (Stopped Clonazepam & Hydroxyzine- didn't take often) 6/2022: Welbutrin 111mg xl, Lexa 6.8mg 8/2022: Wellbutrin 100mg xl, Lexa 6.8mg 10/9/22: Wellbutrin 100 mg IR, Lexa 6.5 mg 11/3/22: Wellbutrin 96 mg IR, Lexa 6.5 mg 11/30/22: Wellbutrin 96 mg IR, Lexa 6 mg 3/15/23: Wellbutrin 96 mg IR, Lexa 6.2 mg??? Other Daily Meds: Singulair 10mg, Zyrtec 10mg, Spiriva Respimat inhaler. Rarely taking: OTC pain relievers, Diclofenac, Cyclobenzaprine, anti acids Supplements: Fish oil 1300mg, Nigella oil, Mag Glycinate 200mg, Probiotics 30 billion, 1/5 dose prenatals, Melatonin .38mg, (Reishi, Lion's Mane & psilocybin microdosing by cycles) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentor Greatful Posted August 9, 2022 Mentor Share Posted August 9, 2022 @DazzlingCold On 7/31/2022 at 7:35 PM, DazzlingCold said: in the past, I have experienced these moods as high energy and some impulsivity with little peace as I don’t feel completely in the front wheel. It seems it’s been one of the very limited ways in which I experience more joyful states of mind. It doesn’t feel sustainable. When they happen, I feel as if I’m leaving some parts of myself out of the equation. As if it was some low, extended dopamine rush making things happen fast without waiting for other parts if my brain to engage. And , very likely, those other parts of my brain may be unable to engage. Or maybe my expectation of how it should all work is unrealistic haha. I can relate to this, and I think it also contributed to adding bipolar to my list of illnesses LOL I would have so much anxiety like energy that I thought I could do so much more then I could. Move at a fast pace. When I was on a higher dose of Lexapro years ago, mid morning at work I was like the energizer bunny and full of life. I took my lex in the morning. For most of the over 20 years of drugs I had a underlining restlessness or tension. On 7/27/2022 at 9:47 PM, DazzlingCold said: I’ve experienced elevated moods less and less with my last two reductions This is also resonating with me. I also notice my anger spells are getting less. As I go down on the drugs things are getting better. Unfortunately I get to experience the wonderful joys of withdrawal. My hope is one day I will be drug free, decrease in anxiety, restlessness, elevated moods, mood swings, anger, low mood. So far it looks like it is heading that way. I'll settle with just plain boring🌞 2 https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/24894-greatful-is-this-withdrawal-or-to-many-med-changes-at-once/ 1995? Prozac, tried several Paxil, Serzone, St John's Wart back to Prozac and Trazodone ct:d Traz Lexapro. Tried to stop Crash in 2015 Kindled Hospitalized, Vybrid, Seroquel, Effexor, Abilify Pristiq, Wellbutrin-- 2016 ended back on Prozac and Lamictal 200mg 5/2020 thru 12/2020 taper from 20mg Prozac down to 3mg. Crashed 12/13/2020 Zoloft 50mg 1/29ct 1/29/2021 Seroquel 50mg ct 2/12/2021 Wellbutrin 75mg. Became hypo manic 2/1 6ct Trazodone 50mg 4/25 25mg 2/5/ 2021 Lamictal 150mg. 2/24 100mg 4/9 75mg 4/21 37.5 2/16/2021 Seroquel 50xr 3/3 100mg 3/17 150mg side effects ct 4/3 2021 Lexapro 5mg 4/14 7.5mg 4/30 10mg 5/10 7.5mg 2021/ 5/16 5mg Lexapro 37.5 Lamictal 25mg trazadone, xanax .0625mg 3x a day Lexapro Taper> Sept/01/2021 4.90mg> Sept/25 4.75mg> Oct/19 4.69mg > Nov/14 4.2mg Jan/30/2022-- Split dosing 2x a day All liquid 4.2mg (2.20mg at 8am & 2mg at 4pm) 2/17 4mg> 2/24 3.8mg slow taper to Aug/12/2022 2.04mg 2023> 2mg, 1.90mg, 1.80mg, 1.70mg, 1.5mg, 1.4mg, 1.3mg 1.2mg, 1.1mg, 1mg, 0.9mg, 0.8mg, 0.7mg 0.65mg, 0.6mg, 0.55mg, 0.5mg, 0.45mg, 0.4mg, 0.35mg, 0.3mg, 0.25,mg, back to once a day dosing 0 .1mg, 0.07mg , 0.05mg 4/1/2024 0 Lamictal taper 4/17/ 2022 25mg, 9/9/ 22 -20mg, 9/25/22- 15mg , 10/20/22- 0 Trazodone..2023.>down to 14mg, 7mg, 6mg July 2023 0 Xanax 0.0625 3 x a day, 2023> 0.042 3x a day Supplements Magnesium glycinate, Omega 3, D3, vitamin c , zinc, NAC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ariel Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 Is it possible that antidepressants can cause neuro-emotions while we're on them? The more distance I put between myself and the drugs, the more it seems like my emotional life while drugged was characterized by a sort of cycling between emotional blunting and neuro-emotions. Unsustainable extremes and compensatory approximations substituting for an actual, organic emotional life grounded in embodied experience. For decades the drugs suspended me in a dissociated, disembodied state and any emotions were somehow disconnected from me, even when I felt something it/I wasn't centered with it (although I didn't know that at the time). I wasn't in my body, I was a bobble-head, living from the neck up because the drugs functionally severed some central connection to wholeness and integrity and my capacity to be grounded within myself/my body. I don't really mean that as a metaphor (although it's not not a metaphor); my sense is that the drugs may actually physiologically disrupt/interfere with connections/signaling/processes that contribute to our experience of consciousness and ourselves. Today I believe the drugs caused both depressed and elevated moods (and yes, I received a bipolar diagnosis after having been on drugs for a while; classic), caused functional (dysfunctional) emotional instability, as well as neuro-emotion versions of emotion. They also blocked me from crying or otherwise expressing myself emotionally, everything was pent up and somehow turned into dark, destructive energy because the ability for flow was impaired, leading to stagnation and festering. It's so disgusting how fundamentally psychospiritually compromising an effect these drugs can exert. 3 1996-2018 - misc. polypharmacy, incl. SSRIs, SNRIs, neuroleptics, lithium, benzos, stimulants, antihistamines, etc. (approx. 30+ drugs) 2012-2018 - 10mg lexapro/escitalopram (20mg?) Jan. 2018 - 10mg -> 5mg, then from 5mg -> 2.5mg, then 0mg --> July 2018 - 0mg 2017(?)-2020 - vyvanse/lisdexamfetamine 60-70mg 2020-2021 - 70mg down to 0mg --> July 2021 - 0mg March-April 2021 - vortioxetine 5-10mg (approx. 7 weeks total; CT) --> April 28th, 2021 - 0mg August 2021 - 2mg melatonin August 1, 2022 - 1mg melatonin March 31, 2023 - 0mg melatonin 2024 supplements update: electrolyte blend in water sipped throughout the day; 1 tsp fish oil blend w/ morning meal (incl. vit. A+D+E); calcium; vitamin C+zinc Courage is fear that has said its prayers. - Karle Wilson Baker love and justice are not two. without inner change, there can be no outer change; without collective change, no change matters. - Rev. angel Kyodo williams Holding multiple truths. Knowing that everyone has their own accurate view of the way things are. - text on homemade banner at Afiya house I am not a medical professional; this is not medical advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazzlingCold Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 22 minutes ago, Greatful said: I can relate to this, and I think it also contributed to adding bipolar to my list of illnesses LOL I would have so much anxiety like energy that I thought I could do so much more then I could. Move at a fast pace. When I was on a higher dose of Lexapro years ago, mid morning at work I was like the energizer bunny and full of life. I took my lex in the morning. Yes!!! I lived in a trance like state of high energy and anxiety. Also, I now realize, I lacked a filter often, in a way that my thoughts before my speech were not grounded. Meds also mess/messed with my judgement. They never helped me see things for what they were. I believe this is where dissociation plays a role in as well. 2 2002-2021: 19 yrs on/off psychotropics 2/2022: Wellbutrin 150mg, Lexapro 20mg 3/22: Wellbutrin 150mg xl, Lexapro 10mg 4/22: Wellbutrin 150xl, Lexapro 5mg 4/2022: Lexa 7.5mg total, Wellbutrin 150mg 5/2022: Wellb 112.5mg xl, Lexa 7.5mg (Stopped Clonazepam & Hydroxyzine- didn't take often) 6/2022: Welbutrin 111mg xl, Lexa 6.8mg 8/2022: Wellbutrin 100mg xl, Lexa 6.8mg 10/9/22: Wellbutrin 100 mg IR, Lexa 6.5 mg 11/3/22: Wellbutrin 96 mg IR, Lexa 6.5 mg 11/30/22: Wellbutrin 96 mg IR, Lexa 6 mg 3/15/23: Wellbutrin 96 mg IR, Lexa 6.2 mg??? Other Daily Meds: Singulair 10mg, Zyrtec 10mg, Spiriva Respimat inhaler. Rarely taking: OTC pain relievers, Diclofenac, Cyclobenzaprine, anti acids Supplements: Fish oil 1300mg, Nigella oil, Mag Glycinate 200mg, Probiotics 30 billion, 1/5 dose prenatals, Melatonin .38mg, (Reishi, Lion's Mane & psilocybin microdosing by cycles) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazzlingCold Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 39 minutes ago, Greatful said: @DazzlingCold I can relate to this, and I think it also contributed to adding bipolar to my list of illnesses LOL I would have so much anxiety like energy that I thought I could do so much more then I could. Move at a fast pace. When I was on a higher dose of Lexapro years ago, mid morning at work I was like the energizer bunny and full of life. I took my lex in the morning. For most of the over 20 years of drugs I had a underlining restlessness or tension. This is also resonating with me. I also notice my anger spells are getting less. As I go down on the drugs things are getting better. Unfortunately I get to experience the wonderful joys of withdrawal. My hope is one day I will be drug free, decrease in anxiety, restlessness, elevated moods, mood swings, anger, low mood. So far it looks like it is heading that way. I'll settle with just plain boring🌞 I hear you Ironically, ADs did not help me regulate. I feel more regulated now (when not in the depths of WD) than I did before in that trance like state. (I’m probably still there but less) Plain boring sounds lovely at times, right? Lol aaaa the joys of WD! 2002-2021: 19 yrs on/off psychotropics 2/2022: Wellbutrin 150mg, Lexapro 20mg 3/22: Wellbutrin 150mg xl, Lexapro 10mg 4/22: Wellbutrin 150xl, Lexapro 5mg 4/2022: Lexa 7.5mg total, Wellbutrin 150mg 5/2022: Wellb 112.5mg xl, Lexa 7.5mg (Stopped Clonazepam & Hydroxyzine- didn't take often) 6/2022: Welbutrin 111mg xl, Lexa 6.8mg 8/2022: Wellbutrin 100mg xl, Lexa 6.8mg 10/9/22: Wellbutrin 100 mg IR, Lexa 6.5 mg 11/3/22: Wellbutrin 96 mg IR, Lexa 6.5 mg 11/30/22: Wellbutrin 96 mg IR, Lexa 6 mg 3/15/23: Wellbutrin 96 mg IR, Lexa 6.2 mg??? Other Daily Meds: Singulair 10mg, Zyrtec 10mg, Spiriva Respimat inhaler. Rarely taking: OTC pain relievers, Diclofenac, Cyclobenzaprine, anti acids Supplements: Fish oil 1300mg, Nigella oil, Mag Glycinate 200mg, Probiotics 30 billion, 1/5 dose prenatals, Melatonin .38mg, (Reishi, Lion's Mane & psilocybin microdosing by cycles) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ariel Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 @DazzlingCold @Greatful What both of you have shared resonates with me. 7 minutes ago, DazzlingCold said: Also, I now realize, I lacked a filter often, in a way that my thoughts before my speech were not grounded. Meds also mess/messed with my judgement. They never helped me see things for what they were. I believe this is where dissociation plays a role in as well. Yes. 3 minutes ago, DazzlingCold said: ADs did not help me regulate. I feel more regulated now Same. 1 1996-2018 - misc. polypharmacy, incl. SSRIs, SNRIs, neuroleptics, lithium, benzos, stimulants, antihistamines, etc. (approx. 30+ drugs) 2012-2018 - 10mg lexapro/escitalopram (20mg?) Jan. 2018 - 10mg -> 5mg, then from 5mg -> 2.5mg, then 0mg --> July 2018 - 0mg 2017(?)-2020 - vyvanse/lisdexamfetamine 60-70mg 2020-2021 - 70mg down to 0mg --> July 2021 - 0mg March-April 2021 - vortioxetine 5-10mg (approx. 7 weeks total; CT) --> April 28th, 2021 - 0mg August 2021 - 2mg melatonin August 1, 2022 - 1mg melatonin March 31, 2023 - 0mg melatonin 2024 supplements update: electrolyte blend in water sipped throughout the day; 1 tsp fish oil blend w/ morning meal (incl. vit. A+D+E); calcium; vitamin C+zinc Courage is fear that has said its prayers. - Karle Wilson Baker love and justice are not two. without inner change, there can be no outer change; without collective change, no change matters. - Rev. angel Kyodo williams Holding multiple truths. Knowing that everyone has their own accurate view of the way things are. - text on homemade banner at Afiya house I am not a medical professional; this is not medical advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazzlingCold Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Ariel said: Is it possible that antidepressants can cause neuro-emotions while we're on them? The more distance I put between myself and the drugs, the more it seems like my emotional life while drugged was characterized by a sort of cycling between emotional blunting and neuro-emotions. Unsustainable extremes and compensatory approximations substituting for an actual, organic emotional life grounded in embodied experience. For decades the drugs suspended me in a dissociated, disembodied state and any emotions were somehow disconnected from me, even when I felt something it/I wasn't centered with it (although I didn't know that at the time). I wasn't in my body, I was a bobble-head, living from the neck up because the drugs functionally severed some central connection to wholeness and integrity and my capacity to be grounded within myself/my body. I don't really mean that as a metaphor (although it's not not a metaphor); my sense is that the drugs may actually physiologically disrupt/interfere with connections/signaling/processes that contribute to our experience of consciousness and ourselves. Today I believe the drugs caused both depressed and elevated moods (and yes, I received a bipolar diagnosis after having been on drugs for a while; classic), caused functional (dysfunctional) emotional instability, as well as neuro-emotion versions of emotion. They also blocked me from crying or otherwise expressing myself emotionally, everything was pent up and somehow turned into dark, destructive energy because the ability for flow was impaired, leading to stagnation and festering. It's so disgusting how fundamentally psychospiritually compromising an effect these drugs can exert. A big fat AMEN!! I relate to every word @Ariel 1 2002-2021: 19 yrs on/off psychotropics 2/2022: Wellbutrin 150mg, Lexapro 20mg 3/22: Wellbutrin 150mg xl, Lexapro 10mg 4/22: Wellbutrin 150xl, Lexapro 5mg 4/2022: Lexa 7.5mg total, Wellbutrin 150mg 5/2022: Wellb 112.5mg xl, Lexa 7.5mg (Stopped Clonazepam & Hydroxyzine- didn't take often) 6/2022: Welbutrin 111mg xl, Lexa 6.8mg 8/2022: Wellbutrin 100mg xl, Lexa 6.8mg 10/9/22: Wellbutrin 100 mg IR, Lexa 6.5 mg 11/3/22: Wellbutrin 96 mg IR, Lexa 6.5 mg 11/30/22: Wellbutrin 96 mg IR, Lexa 6 mg 3/15/23: Wellbutrin 96 mg IR, Lexa 6.2 mg??? Other Daily Meds: Singulair 10mg, Zyrtec 10mg, Spiriva Respimat inhaler. Rarely taking: OTC pain relievers, Diclofenac, Cyclobenzaprine, anti acids Supplements: Fish oil 1300mg, Nigella oil, Mag Glycinate 200mg, Probiotics 30 billion, 1/5 dose prenatals, Melatonin .38mg, (Reishi, Lion's Mane & psilocybin microdosing by cycles) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentor Heath Posted August 10, 2022 Mentor Share Posted August 10, 2022 @DazzlingCold@Greatful @Ariel what y’all said yes, yes and yes ! 4 hours ago, DazzlingCold said: Yes!!! I lived in a trance like state of high energy and anxiety. Also, I now realize, I lacked a filter often, in a way that my thoughts before my speech were not grounded. Meds also mess/messed with my judgement. They never helped me see things for what they were. I believe this is where dissociation plays a role in as well. 2 2000-2013 Paxil - 1 year fast taper 2013-2018 merry go round zoloft, cymbalta, lamictal, Prozac. Nov. 2018 lexapro 15 mgs, Dec. 2019 to Mar. 2020 taper to 10mg. Jul 2020 to October 2020 taper to 8.5 ml. Oct 2020 reinstated to 9 ml. Apr 2021 to Jul taper to 7ml. Oct 2021 to Jan 2022 taper to 5.9ml, Mar 5 2022 5.8 ml, Mar 12 5.7ml, Mar 20 5.6ml, Mar 27 5.5ml, April 23 5.4ml, April 30 5.3ml, May 7 5.2ml, Jul 9 2022 5.4ml, Klonopin prn, Allegra 180 for 3 seasons, aspirin 81 mg, plavix , nitroglycerin 0.4 mg prn, 2k mg turmeric Qunol, 4- Trader Joe’s omega 3 -2400 mg, Pepcid 20mg, Prilosec 40 mg, Tylenol arthritis 4 tablets daily, 350mg calm magnesium citrate, melatonin 2.5- 5mg as needed to sleep. Saline spray as needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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