Moderator brassmonkey Posted December 17, 2015 Moderator Share Posted December 17, 2015 Hi SG-- We're close neighbors compared to Hardy. I'm about 30 miles east of LA near the corner of the 10 and 57. 20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013. Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mgpw it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks. The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better. Final Dose 0.016mg. Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017 "It's also important not to become angry, no matter how difficult life is, because you can loose all hope if you can't laugh at yourself and at life in general." Stephen Hawking Link to comment
hardy86 Posted December 19, 2015 Author Share Posted December 19, 2015 Hi squirrellygirl I been still in bad shape. I swear it's so draining I just have a big problem I wake up everyday for last 2 months and feel like I haven't sleep all night but I know I was up many times but same time thought I sleep well most times and feel awful still after waking. Makes depression bad and anxiety. I have sleep apnea thought I'll mention my data readings shows that's under control. This is so confusing cause never had this problem. So I feel its a big issue with my sleep I need to address. I have a appointment with sleep dr soon. I'm not sure is it the depression keeping me awake or what's the cause. I mean I did start having problems sleeping not long ago took melatonin that's seems to help. Or am Iow in a b vitamin other than b12 that' test came back good. I notice when I take b vitamins it does help my energy levels nights try starting again today. Hate this life hope this passes. Killing me Thanks a lot hope your well squirrellygirl Currently suffer extreme CFS, Lyme, adrenal fatigue, bad gut issues, reaction bad to mold basically etc home a lot. Can hardly walk all I get crash easily. I’m currently on mirtizapine 1.7mg and Reboxetine 0.4mg. I did a cut on reboxetine on the 19/4/20 around 11%. Also taking Ativan since January 2mg. Link to comment
hardy86 Posted December 19, 2015 Author Share Posted December 19, 2015 Hi brassmonkey Hope you well and thanks for helping me with advice again. Please read post if have any suggestions I sent squirrellygirl. I might start b vitamins again. Thank you so much Currently suffer extreme CFS, Lyme, adrenal fatigue, bad gut issues, reaction bad to mold basically etc home a lot. Can hardly walk all I get crash easily. I’m currently on mirtizapine 1.7mg and Reboxetine 0.4mg. I did a cut on reboxetine on the 19/4/20 around 11%. Also taking Ativan since January 2mg. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus SquirrellyGirl Posted December 19, 2015 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted December 19, 2015 Hi Hardy, I'm sorry it is still so tough for you. I wish I knew the answer. I am doing ok, had a good day tackling several tasks, lots of outdoor time. I find when I can get the motivation up to do a project that it is good for getting myself out of my head. I am also lucky in some respect for the fact that I have always been able to numb out to the TV, so when I am doing badly I can still check out that way. Motivation has been hard to come by, so I am glad to ever have any! I've also been playing a lot of Sudoku. Man, my cognitive abilities really suck these days! I'm always scoring with 97% of people finishing faster than me! But it's a good way to distract. Is there ANYTHING you can do to distract yourself? Reading, solitaire, yard work, something? Going for a walk? I know you feel very tired. Are you able to nap during the day? Eat a carb rich snack before bedtime, seems to make one groggy. Sort of like eating a pasta dinner, causes sleepiness! I'm just thinking that if there is any way to distract yourself, eventually you will get through this. Gotta keep putting one foot in front of the other, for your wife and the little one coming. You're doing it already, doing a fine job! You are strong and will get through this. Bedtime! SG Started ADs back around 1995 after bad break-up, starting with Prozac. Switched to Wellbutrin, and then to Effexor in 2002 Effexor XR 2002-2014 up to 225 mg at one point, down to 37.5 mg towards end but back up to 75 mg in 2014; now realize I had W/D as I dropped down, memory very poor about history. Extreme emotions, poor concentration as I stepped back down, didn't connect the dots! Summer 2014 reduced to 0 very quickly, was sick of anhedonia/sexual dysfunction due to meds, depression never controlled if not worse. Didn't recognize WD since symptoms built slowly (thought I had ADD! and menopausal on top of it), starting with severe sweats, very bad cog-fog and memory issues, culminating in weight loss, severe anxiety and depression, panic, severe apathy and insomnia by eight months off. Saw p-doc who put me on Remeron, increased from 7.5 mg/day to 37.5 mg by May 22, 2015; still doing very badly though able to sleep. June 1. 2015 Reinstated Effexor XR 37.5 mg, Remeron dropped to 30 mg PM. Immediate relief of symptoms, like nothing had ever happened! Joined SA and began on advice of friend who recognized it was WD all along! Began tapering in July 2015. Been tapering both meds ever since, focusing on one more than the other or doing no more than 5% of each per month. 12 mg Effexor and 5.8 mg Remeron (mirtazapine SolTabs to make a solution with OraPlus) as of 5/4/2017 Update 3/14/18: 2.9 mg Remeron and 6 mg Effexor; 6/10/18: 2.6 mg Remeron and 4.9 mg Effexor My intro: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/9313-squirrellygirl-effexor-withdrawal-etc/page-2#entry196679 This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. Link to comment
Moderator brassmonkey Posted December 19, 2015 Moderator Share Posted December 19, 2015 Hey Hardy-- Sleep problems are a really common complaint with WD. There isn't much that can be done besides tough it out. Some people have success with improving their sleep hygiene, some use OTC sleep aids, some resort to benzos (not recommended) but all of them have very mixed results and end up toughing it out. If you're getting some sleep, even broken, it's better than none, and just lying there resting helps. Adding secondary anxiety by worrying about not sleeping is one of the worst things you can do. Fixating on WD doesn't help anything either. Micro managing symptoms and analyzing every sensation is a good way to make oneself crazy. Any sort of distraction, like SG was mentioning, is a good thing. 20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013. Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mgpw it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks. The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better. Final Dose 0.016mg. Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017 "It's also important not to become angry, no matter how difficult life is, because you can loose all hope if you can't laugh at yourself and at life in general." Stephen Hawking Link to comment
hardy86 Posted December 19, 2015 Author Share Posted December 19, 2015 Hi guys U guys are awesome. I only take benzos here and there I happen to take some today just to help me relax half of 1mg it actually didn't do much today. I think I'm that tired taking another nap soon. I hope this all passes soon. Yeah I nap always squirrellygirl if it wasn't for a nap I would be much worst. Lucky I work for myself. Thanks guys Currently suffer extreme CFS, Lyme, adrenal fatigue, bad gut issues, reaction bad to mold basically etc home a lot. Can hardly walk all I get crash easily. I’m currently on mirtizapine 1.7mg and Reboxetine 0.4mg. I did a cut on reboxetine on the 19/4/20 around 11%. Also taking Ativan since January 2mg. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus SquirrellyGirl Posted December 21, 2015 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted December 21, 2015 Hi Hardy, a friend pointed me to this website where I found this video, and I think it is very helpful! I am so glad you can nap, and I'm glad you work for yourself! Two pluses for riding this healing out! http://www.merryjoyousfree.com/video-11 I hope today is better than yesterday - you made it another day! SG Started ADs back around 1995 after bad break-up, starting with Prozac. Switched to Wellbutrin, and then to Effexor in 2002 Effexor XR 2002-2014 up to 225 mg at one point, down to 37.5 mg towards end but back up to 75 mg in 2014; now realize I had W/D as I dropped down, memory very poor about history. Extreme emotions, poor concentration as I stepped back down, didn't connect the dots! Summer 2014 reduced to 0 very quickly, was sick of anhedonia/sexual dysfunction due to meds, depression never controlled if not worse. Didn't recognize WD since symptoms built slowly (thought I had ADD! and menopausal on top of it), starting with severe sweats, very bad cog-fog and memory issues, culminating in weight loss, severe anxiety and depression, panic, severe apathy and insomnia by eight months off. Saw p-doc who put me on Remeron, increased from 7.5 mg/day to 37.5 mg by May 22, 2015; still doing very badly though able to sleep. June 1. 2015 Reinstated Effexor XR 37.5 mg, Remeron dropped to 30 mg PM. Immediate relief of symptoms, like nothing had ever happened! Joined SA and began on advice of friend who recognized it was WD all along! Began tapering in July 2015. Been tapering both meds ever since, focusing on one more than the other or doing no more than 5% of each per month. 12 mg Effexor and 5.8 mg Remeron (mirtazapine SolTabs to make a solution with OraPlus) as of 5/4/2017 Update 3/14/18: 2.9 mg Remeron and 6 mg Effexor; 6/10/18: 2.6 mg Remeron and 4.9 mg Effexor My intro: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/9313-squirrellygirl-effexor-withdrawal-etc/page-2#entry196679 This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. Link to comment
hardy86 Posted December 21, 2015 Author Share Posted December 21, 2015 Hi squirrellygirl That was very kind if you to send that video link very positive thing to watch and good for me. I though I'll share this with you went to the doctor yesterday to do a check and he said "why don't u just stop at 5.5mg of Mirtazapine that dose is nothing so small why keep taking it". I didn't say much but yeah thought I'll share that. I do of course just don't want to think about it my hardest but if it's withdrawl can it last this long and not settle I'm 3 months and 22 days now since I last felt settled and of course do question if it reaches 5 months like this and still the same what now? I'm taking melatoni small dose .85 this doesn't make depression worst you reckon? But most of all I don't know if I have Cfs cronic fatigue syndrome I heard can have it on AD. I swear I really want this severe tiredness to pass soon and hope I'm not stuck like this for a long time. Need to be well. I remember a specialist telling me CBT is the main treatment to healing I should start again. Thanks squirrellygirl hope you are well. You are very caring person lucky to have you here. Currently suffer extreme CFS, Lyme, adrenal fatigue, bad gut issues, reaction bad to mold basically etc home a lot. Can hardly walk all I get crash easily. I’m currently on mirtizapine 1.7mg and Reboxetine 0.4mg. I did a cut on reboxetine on the 19/4/20 around 11%. Also taking Ativan since January 2mg. Link to comment
hardy86 Posted December 21, 2015 Author Share Posted December 21, 2015 Hi if this constant fatigue would settle then depression would ease so much I reckon, at least I can then hit the gym and feel good as I have for the last previous 19 months I miss that feeling. Now I train tired before start and no happy endorphins to enjoy and have a break from depression. Currently suffer extreme CFS, Lyme, adrenal fatigue, bad gut issues, reaction bad to mold basically etc home a lot. Can hardly walk all I get crash easily. I’m currently on mirtizapine 1.7mg and Reboxetine 0.4mg. I did a cut on reboxetine on the 19/4/20 around 11%. Also taking Ativan since January 2mg. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus SquirrellyGirl Posted December 21, 2015 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted December 21, 2015 Hi Again, Hardy I don't really know about the melatonin. Do you feel that it is helping in any way with the sleep? And I don't have anything to add about CFS. But what I am picking up on is that you are still ruminating a lot, which is keeping you in part in the stress which isn't helping. You need to throw your calendar away! You keep track of how many days it has been and worry over staying this way indefinitely, and this is not at all helpful, not in the least! It is keeping you down, in fact. The video was about staying present, not spending time in the past or future (as in worrying about how many more days you'll be like this). I'm pointing to another video that will hopefully help you: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/10868-wrenster-struggling-and-feeling-like-giving-up/ This is about fear and anxiety, but I think this would help you because it is about stepping out of thinking, the thinking causing you more suffering about your situation. I know that neuro-emotions are resistant to self help to a degree, but you have to try. Ultimately, you must try to live each moment in the moment, one moment at a time, one hour, one day. Lastly, someone on here wrote about pineapple juice with lemon juice really bumping up her energy. She started using it for menstrual issues, of course not pertaining to you, but it really affected her energy: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/6509-chicken-help-im-scared-mirtazapine-remeron/page-5?hl=pineapple#entry159120 I keep meaning to try it but have to get some pineapple juice. One day at a time... SG Started ADs back around 1995 after bad break-up, starting with Prozac. Switched to Wellbutrin, and then to Effexor in 2002 Effexor XR 2002-2014 up to 225 mg at one point, down to 37.5 mg towards end but back up to 75 mg in 2014; now realize I had W/D as I dropped down, memory very poor about history. Extreme emotions, poor concentration as I stepped back down, didn't connect the dots! Summer 2014 reduced to 0 very quickly, was sick of anhedonia/sexual dysfunction due to meds, depression never controlled if not worse. Didn't recognize WD since symptoms built slowly (thought I had ADD! and menopausal on top of it), starting with severe sweats, very bad cog-fog and memory issues, culminating in weight loss, severe anxiety and depression, panic, severe apathy and insomnia by eight months off. Saw p-doc who put me on Remeron, increased from 7.5 mg/day to 37.5 mg by May 22, 2015; still doing very badly though able to sleep. June 1. 2015 Reinstated Effexor XR 37.5 mg, Remeron dropped to 30 mg PM. Immediate relief of symptoms, like nothing had ever happened! Joined SA and began on advice of friend who recognized it was WD all along! Began tapering in July 2015. Been tapering both meds ever since, focusing on one more than the other or doing no more than 5% of each per month. 12 mg Effexor and 5.8 mg Remeron (mirtazapine SolTabs to make a solution with OraPlus) as of 5/4/2017 Update 3/14/18: 2.9 mg Remeron and 6 mg Effexor; 6/10/18: 2.6 mg Remeron and 4.9 mg Effexor My intro: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/9313-squirrellygirl-effexor-withdrawal-etc/page-2#entry196679 This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted December 22, 2015 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted December 22, 2015 Hi Hardy & SG, Well I've never heard of pineapple and lemon juice being helpful but I just found this quick-tip-using-lemon-and-pineapple. I suppose anything that doesn't hurt would be worth a try. CC * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment
hardy86 Posted December 22, 2015 Author Share Posted December 22, 2015 Hi squirrellygirl Yeah melatonin seems it's helping for sleep. I just have so many things to do each day and i can't do much. Well I guess I have to accept it. Thanks for the links. Currently suffer extreme CFS, Lyme, adrenal fatigue, bad gut issues, reaction bad to mold basically etc home a lot. Can hardly walk all I get crash easily. I’m currently on mirtizapine 1.7mg and Reboxetine 0.4mg. I did a cut on reboxetine on the 19/4/20 around 11%. Also taking Ativan since January 2mg. Link to comment
hardy86 Posted December 22, 2015 Author Share Posted December 22, 2015 Hi chessiecat Hope your well thanks for the link. Cheers Currently suffer extreme CFS, Lyme, adrenal fatigue, bad gut issues, reaction bad to mold basically etc home a lot. Can hardly walk all I get crash easily. I’m currently on mirtizapine 1.7mg and Reboxetine 0.4mg. I did a cut on reboxetine on the 19/4/20 around 11%. Also taking Ativan since January 2mg. Link to comment
hardy86 Posted December 22, 2015 Author Share Posted December 22, 2015 Hi I thought I would like to mention when I tell the doctors I'm using a digital scale they laugh at me and think I'm crazy telling me I never heard of this before and it's not needed. Well I haven't listened to them for a while. Thanks Currently suffer extreme CFS, Lyme, adrenal fatigue, bad gut issues, reaction bad to mold basically etc home a lot. Can hardly walk all I get crash easily. I’m currently on mirtizapine 1.7mg and Reboxetine 0.4mg. I did a cut on reboxetine on the 19/4/20 around 11%. Also taking Ativan since January 2mg. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted December 22, 2015 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted December 22, 2015 I suppose we shouldn't be surprised that they think it's funny. Makes you wonder if when they talk they have a joke at our expense. My doctor is very mild-mannered and I started seeing him when I first moved to this suburb 32 years ago. He also knew my husband during his illness. He is a few years older than me, so it will be interesting when I see him next and tell him I have my compounded capsules and am tapering at 10%. Glad you haven't been listening to him. I'm glad I didn't listen to mine either when he said to do alternate days at 100 then 50. Maybe we need to opens some tapering clinics for face-to-face support!!! CC * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment
hardy86 Posted December 22, 2015 Author Share Posted December 22, 2015 Hi chessiecat Yeah I agree with you they don't know enough and it's scary to know because this is what they tell all patients. Scary scary Thanks Currently suffer extreme CFS, Lyme, adrenal fatigue, bad gut issues, reaction bad to mold basically etc home a lot. Can hardly walk all I get crash easily. I’m currently on mirtizapine 1.7mg and Reboxetine 0.4mg. I did a cut on reboxetine on the 19/4/20 around 11%. Also taking Ativan since January 2mg. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus SquirrellyGirl Posted December 22, 2015 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted December 22, 2015 Glad you haven't been listening to him. I'm glad I didn't listen to mine either when he said to do alternate days at 100 then 50. Maybe we need to opens some tapering clinics for face-to-face support!!! CC Chessiecat, I've had the same thought! I feel so passionate about this, Ithought maybe I could be a Taper Coach! My doctor thought it was OCD of me to weigh doses! I think I am a source of amusement for him. SG Started ADs back around 1995 after bad break-up, starting with Prozac. Switched to Wellbutrin, and then to Effexor in 2002 Effexor XR 2002-2014 up to 225 mg at one point, down to 37.5 mg towards end but back up to 75 mg in 2014; now realize I had W/D as I dropped down, memory very poor about history. Extreme emotions, poor concentration as I stepped back down, didn't connect the dots! Summer 2014 reduced to 0 very quickly, was sick of anhedonia/sexual dysfunction due to meds, depression never controlled if not worse. Didn't recognize WD since symptoms built slowly (thought I had ADD! and menopausal on top of it), starting with severe sweats, very bad cog-fog and memory issues, culminating in weight loss, severe anxiety and depression, panic, severe apathy and insomnia by eight months off. Saw p-doc who put me on Remeron, increased from 7.5 mg/day to 37.5 mg by May 22, 2015; still doing very badly though able to sleep. June 1. 2015 Reinstated Effexor XR 37.5 mg, Remeron dropped to 30 mg PM. Immediate relief of symptoms, like nothing had ever happened! Joined SA and began on advice of friend who recognized it was WD all along! Began tapering in July 2015. Been tapering both meds ever since, focusing on one more than the other or doing no more than 5% of each per month. 12 mg Effexor and 5.8 mg Remeron (mirtazapine SolTabs to make a solution with OraPlus) as of 5/4/2017 Update 3/14/18: 2.9 mg Remeron and 6 mg Effexor; 6/10/18: 2.6 mg Remeron and 4.9 mg Effexor My intro: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/9313-squirrellygirl-effexor-withdrawal-etc/page-2#entry196679 This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. Link to comment
leahy Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 First of all the pineapple and lemon juice tastes wonderful. I'm not sure if it is doing what they say it does but it sur does feel good when I drink it. My pdoc thinks I am crazy, too, with my taper methods. Making liquid solutions and weighing. She says the pills weigh differently due to filler. I wonder how filler comes into play. SquirrlyGirl, you would be (are) a wonderful taper coach! Leahy 2001-2007 Rem 90 mg, xanax 2 mg synthroid 112mcg - 2007-2014 Rem 60 mg xanax 3-4 mg 2015 Feb Rem 45 mg xanax 2 mg, March Rem 30 xanax 2, April Rem 22.5, May Rem 30 xanax .25x4 hrs, June Rem 26 xanax 2-3, July Rem 22.5 xanax 2, Aug Rem 15 xanax 2, Sept Rem 22 xanax 2, Oct Rem 18 mg xanax .25 mg /4 hrs, Nov Rem 23 mg xanax .5mg, Dec Rem 24 xanax 2 2016 Jan Rem 20 xanax 2, Feb Rem 18 mg xanax 1.5, Feb Rem 14 12 mg xanax 1 mg, March Rem 10 9 mg xanax 1-2 mg Rem 7.3 8 xanax 1-2, April Rem 10 12 mg xanax 2 mg, May Rem 11 xanax 1 .75mg Nov Rem 10mg Xanax 2mg 2017 May Rem 10.25 Xanax 1 mg, November Xanax 1mg Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus SquirrellyGirl Posted December 22, 2015 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted December 22, 2015 SquirrlyGirl, you would be (are) a wonderful taper coach! Leahy Thank you, Leahy! I just flounder on here when people have run into trouble and are suffering, as far as advising about tapers in concerned - to up dose or not, and by how much. And so I keep trying to learn from our wonderful mods! As for the mechanics of weighing stuff or making dilutions, that's my forte! I got myself distressed reading Stuart Shipko's first article about withdrawal on Mad In America, but have read parts 2 and 3 and feel a little better. This is tough stuff, but I keep reminding myself to focus on the moment and not ruminate over my fate, something I think we all need to try to cultivate. That can be hard when the neuro-emotions are running the show, but I think persistence has to pay off, gotta keep trying! SG Started ADs back around 1995 after bad break-up, starting with Prozac. Switched to Wellbutrin, and then to Effexor in 2002 Effexor XR 2002-2014 up to 225 mg at one point, down to 37.5 mg towards end but back up to 75 mg in 2014; now realize I had W/D as I dropped down, memory very poor about history. Extreme emotions, poor concentration as I stepped back down, didn't connect the dots! Summer 2014 reduced to 0 very quickly, was sick of anhedonia/sexual dysfunction due to meds, depression never controlled if not worse. Didn't recognize WD since symptoms built slowly (thought I had ADD! and menopausal on top of it), starting with severe sweats, very bad cog-fog and memory issues, culminating in weight loss, severe anxiety and depression, panic, severe apathy and insomnia by eight months off. Saw p-doc who put me on Remeron, increased from 7.5 mg/day to 37.5 mg by May 22, 2015; still doing very badly though able to sleep. June 1. 2015 Reinstated Effexor XR 37.5 mg, Remeron dropped to 30 mg PM. Immediate relief of symptoms, like nothing had ever happened! Joined SA and began on advice of friend who recognized it was WD all along! Began tapering in July 2015. Been tapering both meds ever since, focusing on one more than the other or doing no more than 5% of each per month. 12 mg Effexor and 5.8 mg Remeron (mirtazapine SolTabs to make a solution with OraPlus) as of 5/4/2017 Update 3/14/18: 2.9 mg Remeron and 6 mg Effexor; 6/10/18: 2.6 mg Remeron and 4.9 mg Effexor My intro: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/9313-squirrellygirl-effexor-withdrawal-etc/page-2#entry196679 This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. Link to comment
nz11 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Been drinking lemon juice squeezed into a glass of water ...i'll try adding the pineapple. Posting this puts three cats in a row on the leader board. Thats a first too. Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing. http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651 Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos. Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you Recovering paxil addict None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped." Dr Mosher. Me too! Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015 I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015 Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017 Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus SquirrellyGirl Posted December 22, 2015 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted December 22, 2015 I'm off to the store to get some pineapple juice! We have a lemon tree that is chock full, so looking forward to trying this! SG Started ADs back around 1995 after bad break-up, starting with Prozac. Switched to Wellbutrin, and then to Effexor in 2002 Effexor XR 2002-2014 up to 225 mg at one point, down to 37.5 mg towards end but back up to 75 mg in 2014; now realize I had W/D as I dropped down, memory very poor about history. Extreme emotions, poor concentration as I stepped back down, didn't connect the dots! Summer 2014 reduced to 0 very quickly, was sick of anhedonia/sexual dysfunction due to meds, depression never controlled if not worse. Didn't recognize WD since symptoms built slowly (thought I had ADD! and menopausal on top of it), starting with severe sweats, very bad cog-fog and memory issues, culminating in weight loss, severe anxiety and depression, panic, severe apathy and insomnia by eight months off. Saw p-doc who put me on Remeron, increased from 7.5 mg/day to 37.5 mg by May 22, 2015; still doing very badly though able to sleep. June 1. 2015 Reinstated Effexor XR 37.5 mg, Remeron dropped to 30 mg PM. Immediate relief of symptoms, like nothing had ever happened! Joined SA and began on advice of friend who recognized it was WD all along! Began tapering in July 2015. Been tapering both meds ever since, focusing on one more than the other or doing no more than 5% of each per month. 12 mg Effexor and 5.8 mg Remeron (mirtazapine SolTabs to make a solution with OraPlus) as of 5/4/2017 Update 3/14/18: 2.9 mg Remeron and 6 mg Effexor; 6/10/18: 2.6 mg Remeron and 4.9 mg Effexor My intro: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/9313-squirrellygirl-effexor-withdrawal-etc/page-2#entry196679 This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. Link to comment
nz11 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Sure is a healthy drink for sure yeah my parents have a big tree as well. They are all over the ground i think i might make lemon juice icecubes. Hey SG did you know that americans drink coke for breakfast .!?!..recently spent a weekend with an american couple and they wanted coke for breakfast...and two doughnuts as a side ! oh boy! Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing. http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651 Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos. Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you Recovering paxil addict None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped." Dr Mosher. Me too! Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015 I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015 Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017 Link to comment
leahy Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 I think coke and doughnuts for breakfast is unusual anywhere! 2001-2007 Rem 90 mg, xanax 2 mg synthroid 112mcg - 2007-2014 Rem 60 mg xanax 3-4 mg 2015 Feb Rem 45 mg xanax 2 mg, March Rem 30 xanax 2, April Rem 22.5, May Rem 30 xanax .25x4 hrs, June Rem 26 xanax 2-3, July Rem 22.5 xanax 2, Aug Rem 15 xanax 2, Sept Rem 22 xanax 2, Oct Rem 18 mg xanax .25 mg /4 hrs, Nov Rem 23 mg xanax .5mg, Dec Rem 24 xanax 2 2016 Jan Rem 20 xanax 2, Feb Rem 18 mg xanax 1.5, Feb Rem 14 12 mg xanax 1 mg, March Rem 10 9 mg xanax 1-2 mg Rem 7.3 8 xanax 1-2, April Rem 10 12 mg xanax 2 mg, May Rem 11 xanax 1 .75mg Nov Rem 10mg Xanax 2mg 2017 May Rem 10.25 Xanax 1 mg, November Xanax 1mg Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus SquirrellyGirl Posted December 22, 2015 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted December 22, 2015 Sure is a healthy drink for sure yeah my parents have a big tree as well. They are all over the ground i think i might make lemon juice icecubes. Hey SG did you know that americans drink coke for breakfast .!?!..recently spent a weekend with an american couple and they wanted coke for breakfast...and two doughnuts as a side ! oh boy! Yes, and I think it is a disgusting habit! For some reason they prefer their caffeine that way over coffee or tea! And the doughnuts...let's just say they haven't got a clue about much! Not all of us are that way LOL! SG Started ADs back around 1995 after bad break-up, starting with Prozac. Switched to Wellbutrin, and then to Effexor in 2002 Effexor XR 2002-2014 up to 225 mg at one point, down to 37.5 mg towards end but back up to 75 mg in 2014; now realize I had W/D as I dropped down, memory very poor about history. Extreme emotions, poor concentration as I stepped back down, didn't connect the dots! Summer 2014 reduced to 0 very quickly, was sick of anhedonia/sexual dysfunction due to meds, depression never controlled if not worse. Didn't recognize WD since symptoms built slowly (thought I had ADD! and menopausal on top of it), starting with severe sweats, very bad cog-fog and memory issues, culminating in weight loss, severe anxiety and depression, panic, severe apathy and insomnia by eight months off. Saw p-doc who put me on Remeron, increased from 7.5 mg/day to 37.5 mg by May 22, 2015; still doing very badly though able to sleep. June 1. 2015 Reinstated Effexor XR 37.5 mg, Remeron dropped to 30 mg PM. Immediate relief of symptoms, like nothing had ever happened! Joined SA and began on advice of friend who recognized it was WD all along! Began tapering in July 2015. Been tapering both meds ever since, focusing on one more than the other or doing no more than 5% of each per month. 12 mg Effexor and 5.8 mg Remeron (mirtazapine SolTabs to make a solution with OraPlus) as of 5/4/2017 Update 3/14/18: 2.9 mg Remeron and 6 mg Effexor; 6/10/18: 2.6 mg Remeron and 4.9 mg Effexor My intro: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/9313-squirrellygirl-effexor-withdrawal-etc/page-2#entry196679 This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. Link to comment
Moderator brassmonkey Posted December 22, 2015 Moderator Share Posted December 22, 2015 Coke and doughnuts was a staple for breakfast when I was in high school, then it morphed into warm beer and cold pizza at uni. Aah comfort food, cant beat it. LOL 20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013. Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mgpw it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks. The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better. Final Dose 0.016mg. Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017 "It's also important not to become angry, no matter how difficult life is, because you can loose all hope if you can't laugh at yourself and at life in general." Stephen Hawking Link to comment
leahy Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 You've got a point there Brassmonkey. I forgot about high school cokes and uni beer with pizza. You made me laugh out loud! 2001-2007 Rem 90 mg, xanax 2 mg synthroid 112mcg - 2007-2014 Rem 60 mg xanax 3-4 mg 2015 Feb Rem 45 mg xanax 2 mg, March Rem 30 xanax 2, April Rem 22.5, May Rem 30 xanax .25x4 hrs, June Rem 26 xanax 2-3, July Rem 22.5 xanax 2, Aug Rem 15 xanax 2, Sept Rem 22 xanax 2, Oct Rem 18 mg xanax .25 mg /4 hrs, Nov Rem 23 mg xanax .5mg, Dec Rem 24 xanax 2 2016 Jan Rem 20 xanax 2, Feb Rem 18 mg xanax 1.5, Feb Rem 14 12 mg xanax 1 mg, March Rem 10 9 mg xanax 1-2 mg Rem 7.3 8 xanax 1-2, April Rem 10 12 mg xanax 2 mg, May Rem 11 xanax 1 .75mg Nov Rem 10mg Xanax 2mg 2017 May Rem 10.25 Xanax 1 mg, November Xanax 1mg Link to comment
hardy86 Posted December 22, 2015 Author Share Posted December 22, 2015 Hi all At my business I run had a customer who was in Mirtazapine for about 1 year and 3 months said he tapered all the way from 60mg down to 15 mg in about 3 months and then stopped. He said he has never felt so good been off the drug around 2 months no withdrawal. It's amazing to hear stories like that and he was in a very bad way to. I stopped at 15mg before and went to hospital. Currently suffer extreme CFS, Lyme, adrenal fatigue, bad gut issues, reaction bad to mold basically etc home a lot. Can hardly walk all I get crash easily. I’m currently on mirtizapine 1.7mg and Reboxetine 0.4mg. I did a cut on reboxetine on the 19/4/20 around 11%. Also taking Ativan since January 2mg. Link to comment
hardy86 Posted December 23, 2015 Author Share Posted December 23, 2015 Hi everyone How do I know if this severe fatigue 24/7 is definitely medicine related just worried it could be something else. Thanks Currently suffer extreme CFS, Lyme, adrenal fatigue, bad gut issues, reaction bad to mold basically etc home a lot. Can hardly walk all I get crash easily. I’m currently on mirtizapine 1.7mg and Reboxetine 0.4mg. I did a cut on reboxetine on the 19/4/20 around 11%. Also taking Ativan since January 2mg. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus SquirrellyGirl Posted December 23, 2015 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted December 23, 2015 Hi Hardy, There are people who get away scott-free, and it just sucks that we aren't them! But, he is two months out, and the other shoe may yet fall for him, as this is also a common pattern: feel great for 2-3 months after the jump and then get slammed by anxiety, depression and insomnia the likes of which a person never thought could be possible. It is a truly frightening time. I hope that doesn't happen to him, but there is still that possibility. As for the energy problem, I would say go ahead and see your doctor about it, get checked over and make sure there isn't something else going on. I guess there is a way to detect CFS (is it the Epstein Barre virus?). The last thing we want is for you to trudge along thinking it's the withdrawal when it might be something else and more quickly fixed! SG Started ADs back around 1995 after bad break-up, starting with Prozac. Switched to Wellbutrin, and then to Effexor in 2002 Effexor XR 2002-2014 up to 225 mg at one point, down to 37.5 mg towards end but back up to 75 mg in 2014; now realize I had W/D as I dropped down, memory very poor about history. Extreme emotions, poor concentration as I stepped back down, didn't connect the dots! Summer 2014 reduced to 0 very quickly, was sick of anhedonia/sexual dysfunction due to meds, depression never controlled if not worse. Didn't recognize WD since symptoms built slowly (thought I had ADD! and menopausal on top of it), starting with severe sweats, very bad cog-fog and memory issues, culminating in weight loss, severe anxiety and depression, panic, severe apathy and insomnia by eight months off. Saw p-doc who put me on Remeron, increased from 7.5 mg/day to 37.5 mg by May 22, 2015; still doing very badly though able to sleep. June 1. 2015 Reinstated Effexor XR 37.5 mg, Remeron dropped to 30 mg PM. Immediate relief of symptoms, like nothing had ever happened! Joined SA and began on advice of friend who recognized it was WD all along! Began tapering in July 2015. Been tapering both meds ever since, focusing on one more than the other or doing no more than 5% of each per month. 12 mg Effexor and 5.8 mg Remeron (mirtazapine SolTabs to make a solution with OraPlus) as of 5/4/2017 Update 3/14/18: 2.9 mg Remeron and 6 mg Effexor; 6/10/18: 2.6 mg Remeron and 4.9 mg Effexor My intro: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/9313-squirrellygirl-effexor-withdrawal-etc/page-2#entry196679 This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. Link to comment
hardy86 Posted December 23, 2015 Author Share Posted December 23, 2015 Hi squirrellygirl Yeah I better go do a check and make sure it's nothing else. Yeah I know it's amazing people out there can just get away with it but I did mention to him like you said 3 months later it can all hit back. Currently suffer extreme CFS, Lyme, adrenal fatigue, bad gut issues, reaction bad to mold basically etc home a lot. Can hardly walk all I get crash easily. I’m currently on mirtizapine 1.7mg and Reboxetine 0.4mg. I did a cut on reboxetine on the 19/4/20 around 11%. Also taking Ativan since January 2mg. Link to comment
Hopefull Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 Hi Hardy86, Sorry to hear that you are still struggling. But as I have mentioned to you previously, you have to toughen it out. There is no pill, potion that can help to elevate WD symptoms. I am speaking from my own experience. I have tried so many supplements, herbs etc. nothing has helped to relieve WD symptoms. The only thing that helped me was Hyperbaric Chamber Therapy. It is really costly and I have not been able to continue. Appart from that nothing helped. I would have bad reactions from the suppliments. There could be a possibility that the suppliments that you are taking are making you feel worse. I can understand your pain, but you need to learn to be patient. Patience and perseverance is the key to get through the difficult times. Anxiety makes you question everything. You don't know what causing what, especially in WD. So you obsess over it, trying to work out what is what. In the mean time you are making your self anxious as you are not getting a clear answer. I have been there done that. In time you will learn to accept your situation and only then will you begin to heal. Remember time is a healer. You will reclaim your life and you will be happy again. Best wishes to you, Hopefull. DRUG HISTORY: November 2013- Zoloft, ( Bad reaction). January 2014 - March 2014 Seroquel.( Quit Cold Turkey). January2014- Mirtazapine, I was taking 15mg at one stage, reduced to 7.5mg, Pgad reactions to Mirtazapine. Doctor kept increasing it to 37.5mg, until July 2014. No improvement, experiencing panic attacks, on 37.5 mg. I had enough by October 2014. Began tapering. October 2014- Started tapering Mirtazapine from 37.5mg. September 2015- Down to 4mg of Mirtazapine. Crashed. September 16th- Up dosed to 5mg. Held this dose for almost 5 months. Stabilised. February 2016- Began tapering again. From 5mg to 4.5mg of Mirtazapine. (Rocking the boat, again)! Lol. Link to comment
hardy86 Posted December 24, 2015 Author Share Posted December 24, 2015 Hi hopefull My pain of depression is like a 8.5/10 for bad, Did you ever get this bad for depression for so long and severe fatigue 24/7? that lasted almost 4 months now it came from no where so I'm not sure is this from AD it's a killer and still going. Have you heard of this tiredness symptom before? I try everything to play with my child to distract but can't do much like a dead body walking. I don't even know if this is WD especially this severe fatigue. I haven't settle now close to 4 months and not sure is this is possibly normal. I'm taking fish oil and just started b- vitamins again that's all I'm taking, and melatonin small dose 0.65. I feel b vitamins help energy at the same time not sure with myself if it's making me worst and like you said you question everything and I'm not sure melatonin can cause anything. Right now this pain that I'm feeling I just want to die did you feel like this? That's the only way I can describe it. But I still push on and on and do my best. I also ask myself is it worth a gamble to try and take another AD stopping my second AD I'm currently taking Roboxetine. Thanks hopefull for you kindness and support. Currently suffer extreme CFS, Lyme, adrenal fatigue, bad gut issues, reaction bad to mold basically etc home a lot. Can hardly walk all I get crash easily. I’m currently on mirtizapine 1.7mg and Reboxetine 0.4mg. I did a cut on reboxetine on the 19/4/20 around 11%. Also taking Ativan since January 2mg. Link to comment
nz11 Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 Coke and doughnuts was a staple for breakfast when I was in high school, then it morphed into warm beer and cold pizza at uni. Aah comfort food, cant beat it. LOL !!!!!!! lol Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing. http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651 Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos. Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you Recovering paxil addict None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped." Dr Mosher. Me too! Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015 I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015 Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017 Link to comment
nz11 Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 Hi Hardy86, Sorry to hear that you are still struggling. But as I have mentioned to you previously, you have to toughen it out. There is no pill, potion that can help to elevate WD symptoms. I am speaking from my own experience. I have tried so many supplements, herbs etc. nothing has helped to relieve WD symptoms. The only thing that helped me was Hyperbaric Chamber Therapy. It is really costly and I have not been able to continue. Appart from that nothing helped. I would have bad reactions from the suppliments. There could be a possibility that the suppliments that you are taking are making you feel worse. I can understand your pain, but you need to learn to be patient. Patience and perseverance is the key to get through the difficult times. Anxiety makes you question everything. You don't know what causing what, especially in WD. So you obsess over it, trying to work out what is what. In the mean time you are making your self anxious as you are not getting a clear answer. I have been there done that. In time you will learn to accept your situation and only then will you begin to heal. Remember time is a healer. You will reclaim your life and you will be happy again. Best wishes to you, Hopefull. Well said Hopeful. Hey id love to know more about this HCT. Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing. http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651 Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos. Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you Recovering paxil addict None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped." Dr Mosher. Me too! Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015 I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015 Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017 Link to comment
Hopefull Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 Hi Hardy86, I went through a really bad depression after a bad reaction to Zoloft. It was so bad, that I had lost all hope and will to live. I have had anxiety for many years but I can't say that I was depressed. After Zoloft I had experienced so many weird symptoms, helplessness, despair, uncontrollable crying spells, and so many other things that I never thought to be humanly possible. But 2 years on I am still here, better than I was, not completely healed. I still have struggles, but it is much better than it was at the beginning. Please don't loose hope. It is normal to want to wish the time away, when you are feeling bad. When I joined the forum I was a mess. You will see that you will heal. Give your self a chance. It is really hard, but you have to get through it. There is no other way out. Walk as much as you can. I walked a lot. I got out of the house. I exercised, etc. You are doing all the right things. Don't feel bad if you can't be there for your kids right now. Do the best that you can. You are strong and you can do this. You are already doing it. nz11 HBOT is oxygen therapy. You are in the pressurized chamber for up to 1 hour or 2. You are supposed to do it 3 to 4 times a week for at least 40 sessions to see improvement. I was seeing improvements after 15 hours of chamber. This is not enough to see any permanent changes. I did feel calmer and it cushioned wd symptoms. I feel that it made a difference to my mental health. But if you don't keep up with the treatment, benefits are lost. Best wishes Hopefull. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, to you both. DRUG HISTORY: November 2013- Zoloft, ( Bad reaction). January 2014 - March 2014 Seroquel.( Quit Cold Turkey). January2014- Mirtazapine, I was taking 15mg at one stage, reduced to 7.5mg, Pgad reactions to Mirtazapine. Doctor kept increasing it to 37.5mg, until July 2014. No improvement, experiencing panic attacks, on 37.5 mg. I had enough by October 2014. Began tapering. October 2014- Started tapering Mirtazapine from 37.5mg. September 2015- Down to 4mg of Mirtazapine. Crashed. September 16th- Up dosed to 5mg. Held this dose for almost 5 months. Stabilised. February 2016- Began tapering again. From 5mg to 4.5mg of Mirtazapine. (Rocking the boat, again)! Lol. Link to comment
hardy86 Posted December 25, 2015 Author Share Posted December 25, 2015 Hi hopefull It's kind people like you that make me keep going or I would of went back to doctor and start something else which can be more disaster. Merry Christmas and a happy new year hopefull Currently suffer extreme CFS, Lyme, adrenal fatigue, bad gut issues, reaction bad to mold basically etc home a lot. Can hardly walk all I get crash easily. I’m currently on mirtizapine 1.7mg and Reboxetine 0.4mg. I did a cut on reboxetine on the 19/4/20 around 11%. Also taking Ativan since January 2mg. Link to comment
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