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10 hours ago, ChessieCat said:

This post is on page 1 of the cortisol topic I linked previously. 

 

 

If trying anything new only make one change at a time and start with a small tester dose to see how you react.  Please also be aware that some members have tried something and it works for some time but then stops working or turns paradoxical.

 

There may be separate SA topics on the things listed in the above post.  Use a search engine and add site: survivingantidepressants.org to the search term to research them further.

 

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When I reduce anafranil, I usually experience fear and anxiety for 2 weeks
Some vague unfounded fear
However, there is also despair
Is it due to this cortisol?
Or a decrease in serotonin?
Is this the case with other drugs?


Xanax 0,5mg           1999-2012  a few times a month,if necessary

Cymbalta 30mg      2012-2018  ;   Xanax 0,5mg  a few times a month, if necessary

Amitriptyline  25mg   25.05.18-20.01.19

Valdoxan 25mg  10.02.19-10.03.19  Lorazepam  10.02.19-20.02.19  if necessary overnight 

Brintellix 5mg     10.03.19-30.06.19 ;    Olanzapine 5mg   01.03.19-02.08.19

Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19

Anafranil 03.08.19-15.12.19  75mg   15.12.19-  reduced 2,5mg within three weeks     17.05.20  dose 35mg      Levomepromazine 5mg  03.08.19-20.12.19

                 

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Altostrata

What is your current Anafranil reduction schedule and method? It sounds like you are going too fast.

 

Are you still taking the other drugs? What is your daily drug schedule?


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9 hours ago, Altostrata said:

What is your current Anafranil reduction schedule and method? It sounds like you are going too fast.

 

Are you still taking the other drugs? What is your daily drug schedule?

Hi Alto,

I am currently taking 27 mg a day
I take a 10mg tablet in the morning at 9am
18.45 7 mg (pharmacy-made powders inside the paper)
At 19.45 take a 10 mg tablet

I used to take it in the afternoon, but I moved it to the evening
In the meantime, it was pretty stable
I reduced 25.09 to 2.5mg
5.10 I reduced the sample by another 0.5 mg
Intermediate 10 days were withdrawal symptoms as usual
10.10 situation worsened (sex last night for a long time)
12.10 this fight-escape reaction occurred
So far, it is a constant explosion of cortisol both day and night
I wake up several times in a panic at night
There is a constant feeling of fear during the day, as if I want to escape
There are also digestive problems and gases and nausea, sometimes diarrhea
Indigestion is especially in the evening after taking a dose and at night
Not after the morning dose
The doses made in the pharmacy are in powder form inside the paper and made in February
It is written on the package that it is valid until 22.04
Are they getting old?
Could it be that this 7mg powder is no longer a 7mg active ingredient?
 


Xanax 0,5mg           1999-2012  a few times a month,if necessary

Cymbalta 30mg      2012-2018  ;   Xanax 0,5mg  a few times a month, if necessary

Amitriptyline  25mg   25.05.18-20.01.19

Valdoxan 25mg  10.02.19-10.03.19  Lorazepam  10.02.19-20.02.19  if necessary overnight 

Brintellix 5mg     10.03.19-30.06.19 ;    Olanzapine 5mg   01.03.19-02.08.19

Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19

Anafranil 03.08.19-15.12.19  75mg   15.12.19-  reduced 2,5mg within three weeks     17.05.20  dose 35mg      Levomepromazine 5mg  03.08.19-20.12.19

                 

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Altostrata

Can you simply list the drug changes, without the explanation, please? Are you still taking the other drugs? What times of day and dosages do you take your drugs?

 

On 6/11/2020 at 9:05 AM, Altostrata said:

We advised you to taper slower, but you decided to taper faster. You will have to stop tapering and cope with your symptoms until they settle down.

 

If you get side effects from Betaloc, take less. Use common sense.

 


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Estman
13 hours ago, Altostrata said:

Can you simply list the drug changes, without the explanation, please? Are you still taking the other drugs? What times of day and dosages do you take your drugs?

 

 

No other drugs are currently being used.

 


Xanax 0,5mg           1999-2012  a few times a month,if necessary

Cymbalta 30mg      2012-2018  ;   Xanax 0,5mg  a few times a month, if necessary

Amitriptyline  25mg   25.05.18-20.01.19

Valdoxan 25mg  10.02.19-10.03.19  Lorazepam  10.02.19-20.02.19  if necessary overnight 

Brintellix 5mg     10.03.19-30.06.19 ;    Olanzapine 5mg   01.03.19-02.08.19

Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19

Anafranil 03.08.19-15.12.19  75mg   15.12.19-  reduced 2,5mg within three weeks     17.05.20  dose 35mg      Levomepromazine 5mg  03.08.19-20.12.19

                 

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ChessieCat
14 hours ago, Altostrata said:

Can you simply list the drug changes, without the explanation, please?

 

14 hours ago, Altostrata said:

What times of day and dosages do you take your drugs?

 

Please make it easier for Alto.  She gives of her valuable time FREE to help members here.  She does not want to be wasting time having to read through a post to get the information she needs.


REMINDER TO SELF:

I don't need the drug now, but my still brain does.

ADs:  25 years - 1 unknown, Prozac (caused muscle weakness), Zoloft/sertraline; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after)

Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (mild Serotonin Toxicity)

Began tapering Oct 2015  Current from 17 Oct 2020:  Pristiq 0.56 mg (compounded + liquid)

My tapering program

My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)

My website - includes my brief history + links to videos & information on the web

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.

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Estman

Do pharmacy-ready doses (powders inside the paper) also age?
Does anything happen to the active substance when the tablet is crushed?
My doses are made in February


Xanax 0,5mg           1999-2012  a few times a month,if necessary

Cymbalta 30mg      2012-2018  ;   Xanax 0,5mg  a few times a month, if necessary

Amitriptyline  25mg   25.05.18-20.01.19

Valdoxan 25mg  10.02.19-10.03.19  Lorazepam  10.02.19-20.02.19  if necessary overnight 

Brintellix 5mg     10.03.19-30.06.19 ;    Olanzapine 5mg   01.03.19-02.08.19

Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19

Anafranil 03.08.19-15.12.19  75mg   15.12.19-  reduced 2,5mg within three weeks     17.05.20  dose 35mg      Levomepromazine 5mg  03.08.19-20.12.19

                 

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ChessieCat

Please answer Alto's question.


REMINDER TO SELF:

I don't need the drug now, but my still brain does.

ADs:  25 years - 1 unknown, Prozac (caused muscle weakness), Zoloft/sertraline; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after)

Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (mild Serotonin Toxicity)

Began tapering Oct 2015  Current from 17 Oct 2020:  Pristiq 0.56 mg (compounded + liquid)

My tapering program

My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)

My website - includes my brief history + links to videos & information on the web

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.

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Estman
20 minutes ago, ChessieCat said:

Please answer Alto's question.

I take 10mg of Anafranil in the morning at 8am
18.30 7mg (in powder form)
At 19.30 10mg

In addition to Omega 3 1500mg + D 1000mg per day

Do not take other medicines


Something else?


Xanax 0,5mg           1999-2012  a few times a month,if necessary

Cymbalta 30mg      2012-2018  ;   Xanax 0,5mg  a few times a month, if necessary

Amitriptyline  25mg   25.05.18-20.01.19

Valdoxan 25mg  10.02.19-10.03.19  Lorazepam  10.02.19-20.02.19  if necessary overnight 

Brintellix 5mg     10.03.19-30.06.19 ;    Olanzapine 5mg   01.03.19-02.08.19

Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19

Anafranil 03.08.19-15.12.19  75mg   15.12.19-  reduced 2,5mg within three weeks     17.05.20  dose 35mg      Levomepromazine 5mg  03.08.19-20.12.19

                 

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ChessieCat
10 hours ago, Estman said:

Do pharmacy-ready doses (powders inside the paper) also age?
Does anything happen to the active substance when the tablet is crushed?
My doses are made in February

 

I suggest you ask your pharmacist about this.  My compounder put a 6 month expiry sticker on my compounded Pristiq capsules but told me that I could ignore it.  I've been taking my capsules well past the stated expiry and had no noticeable issues.  However, your drug may be different; the pharmacist should be able to provide this information.  And if you aren't sure that he knows what he is talking about, you can always ask elsewhere.  I think generally it would be liquids which are more likely to degrade and/or lose potency.


REMINDER TO SELF:

I don't need the drug now, but my still brain does.

ADs:  25 years - 1 unknown, Prozac (caused muscle weakness), Zoloft/sertraline; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after)

Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (mild Serotonin Toxicity)

Began tapering Oct 2015  Current from 17 Oct 2020:  Pristiq 0.56 mg (compounded + liquid)

My tapering program

My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)

My website - includes my brief history + links to videos & information on the web

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.

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On 10/20/2020 at 12:22 AM, ChessieCat said:

 

I suggest you ask your pharmacist about this.  My compounder put a 6 month expiry sticker on my compounded Pristiq capsules but told me that I could ignore it.  I've been taking my capsules well past the stated expiry and had no noticeable issues.  However, your drug may be different; the pharmacist should be able to provide this information.  And if you aren't sure that he knows what he is talking about, you can always ask elsewhere.  I think generally it would be liquids which are more likely to degrade and/or lose potency.

Thanks, I'm researching this
One very disturbing symptom is abdominal pain and gas, accompanied by nausea and weakness.
However, it is also like stomach and lower back cramps
Anxiety at the same time makes things worse.
Sometimes total diarrhea also occurs, sometimes it can be prevented
It's every day in the evenings, not during the day
I haven't found anything to alleviate it


Xanax 0,5mg           1999-2012  a few times a month,if necessary

Cymbalta 30mg      2012-2018  ;   Xanax 0,5mg  a few times a month, if necessary

Amitriptyline  25mg   25.05.18-20.01.19

Valdoxan 25mg  10.02.19-10.03.19  Lorazepam  10.02.19-20.02.19  if necessary overnight 

Brintellix 5mg     10.03.19-30.06.19 ;    Olanzapine 5mg   01.03.19-02.08.19

Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19

Anafranil 03.08.19-15.12.19  75mg   15.12.19-  reduced 2,5mg within three weeks     17.05.20  dose 35mg      Levomepromazine 5mg  03.08.19-20.12.19

                 

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ChessieCat

If it is anafranil that you are taking then it might be side effects of the drug, not withdrawal.

 

From https://www.drugs.com/sfx/anafranil-side-effects.html

 

Common side effects of Anafranil include: constipation, dizziness, drowsiness, dyspepsia*, ejaculatory disorder, fatigue, headache, insomnia, myoclonus, nausea, nervousness, paresthesia, tremor, urination disorder, visual disturbance, weight gain, anorexia, diaphoresis, and xerostomia. Other side effects include: anxiety, fever, hot flash, hypertonia, memory impairment, muscle twitching, non-puerperal lactation, orthostatic hypotension, pruritus, skin rash, sleep disorder, tachycardia, tinnitus, vomiting, flushing, and taste disorder.

 

* I had to look up what dyspepsia is and this is one description I found:


REMINDER TO SELF:

I don't need the drug now, but my still brain does.

ADs:  25 years - 1 unknown, Prozac (caused muscle weakness), Zoloft/sertraline; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after)

Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (mild Serotonin Toxicity)

Began tapering Oct 2015  Current from 17 Oct 2020:  Pristiq 0.56 mg (compounded + liquid)

My tapering program

My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)

My website - includes my brief history + links to videos & information on the web

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.

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Estman
On 10/21/2020 at 9:34 AM, ChessieCat said:

If it is anafranil that you are taking then it might be side effects of the drug, not withdrawal.

 

From https://www.drugs.com/sfx/anafranil-side-effects.html

 

Common side effects of Anafranil include: constipation, dizziness, drowsiness, dyspepsia*, ejaculatory disorder, fatigue, headache, insomnia, myoclonus, nausea, nervousness, paresthesia, tremor, urination disorder, visual disturbance, weight gain, anorexia, diaphoresis, and xerostomia. Other side effects include: anxiety, fever, hot flash, hypertonia, memory impairment, muscle twitching, non-puerperal lactation, orthostatic hypotension, pruritus, skin rash, sleep disorder, tachycardia, tinnitus, vomiting, flushing, and taste disorder.

 

* I had to look up what dyspepsia is and this is one description I found:

Hi Chessie,

I think these are withdrawal symptoms
They alternate and have different strengths
The day before, there was total fatigue, weakness and exhaustion with anxiety
I don't know if this is the case with other drugs, but it seems that tricyclics are especially bad in this respect
Not the slightest effort can be made
It has now eased
Digestive problems are stronger one day, better the other day
However, nausea and feeling unwell do not occur all the time
What is controversial is that you feel worse after taking the dose in the evening
As if it were a side effect of the drug
However, after the morning dose, notice this way
At present, there is generally a feeling where one cannot yet experience joy and well-being
I have noticed that the higher the dose I reduce the longer the withdrawal symptoms last
However, reducing a small dose, such as 0.5-1mg, also causes withdrawal symptoms that last for 2-3 weeks.
I learned from the last time that the reduction can only be made once a month
I hope that I still feel normal again


Xanax 0,5mg           1999-2012  a few times a month,if necessary

Cymbalta 30mg      2012-2018  ;   Xanax 0,5mg  a few times a month, if necessary

Amitriptyline  25mg   25.05.18-20.01.19

Valdoxan 25mg  10.02.19-10.03.19  Lorazepam  10.02.19-20.02.19  if necessary overnight 

Brintellix 5mg     10.03.19-30.06.19 ;    Olanzapine 5mg   01.03.19-02.08.19

Cymbalta 30mg 30.06.19-01.08.19

Anafranil 03.08.19-15.12.19  75mg   15.12.19-  reduced 2,5mg within three weeks     17.05.20  dose 35mg      Levomepromazine 5mg  03.08.19-20.12.19

                 

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