UnusualRoom: Luvox withdrawal - writing with tears and desperation

January 2, 2022

Just do the best you can staying on this schedule and don't take more or less. Let's get you straightened out so you feel better.

January 2, 2022

@UnusualRoom

What dosage are your Xanax tablets? Are the .25,.50 1 or 2 mg?

Thanks

January 2, 2022

Just now, Frogie said:

@UnusualRoom

What dosage are your Xanax tablets? Are the .25,.50 1 or 2 mg?

Thanks

0.5 mg. I just took my nightly 0.03 mg and had a solid panic attack about an hour and 15 minutes later. While the panic is subsiding, my muscles are super tight and shaking, and I have shallow breathe. I absolutely hate these things. I really want to get off of these, especially since my psychiatrist isn't refilling them in a timely manner and that stress is really getting to me.

January 2, 2022

Your psychiatrist doesn't refill them regularly? Do you run out ever?

Do you think he would prescribe 1 mg for you? Then you could cut them into thirds and get a more accurate dose.

Otherwise, didn't you order a scale? I can walk to you through how to do that when you get it.

I don't think you are getting an even dose by cutting a little .5 mg tablet into thirds.

January 2, 2022

Just now, Frogie said:

Your psychiatrist doesn't refill them regularly? Do you run out ever?

Do you think he would prescribe 1 mg for you? Then you could cut them into thirds and get a more accurate dose.

Otherwise, didn't you order a scale? I can walk to you through how to do that when you get it.

I don't think you are getting an even dose by cutting a little .5 mg tablet into thirds.

She's an awful doctor, and yes, I'm running out right now and left 3 emails and two phones call.

I want to clarify this as it might make a difference...I'm not on .3 mg....I'm on 0.03mg. Like a super low dose. So like literally 1/16th of a 0.5mg.

January 2, 2022

Sorry I wasn't thinking when I made that statement.

Can you find another dr that will give them to you in a timely manner? Or tell her you need more than what she has been prescribing so you have extra? Is there anyway she could give you 1 mg, so you could cut them easier?

A lot of members on here don't tell their dr that they are tapering so they can get a stock pile so they always have enough.

January 2, 2022

1 minute ago, Frogie said:

Sorry I wasn't thinking when I made that statement.

Can you find another dr that will give them to you in a timely manner? Or tell her you need more than what she has been prescribing so you have extra? Is there anyway she could give you 1 mg, so you could cut them easier?

A lot of members on here don't tell their dr that they are tapering so they can get a stock pile so they always have enough.

I highly doubt it. I've been trying to find a new doctor for over 6 months and they're completely gone due to covid or have severely long waiting lists. I think cutting a 1mg tablet would be harder than 0.5mg, especially since I have a scale.

Is 0.09mg a day still high enough where I can't just go off of them? I'm having more panic and anxiety when taking them then not.

January 2, 2022

Just take it consistently and keep trying to find another dr. Maybe online because of covid?

January 2, 2022

7 minutes ago, Frogie said:

Just take it consistently and keep trying to find another dr. Maybe online because of covid?

Tried. They won't prescribe Benzos online because they're a controlled substance.

January 2, 2022

If you do a psychiatrist online they will. I did it a couple of times between drs?

Just do the best you can to keep consistent and we'll get it figured out.

January 2, 2022

2 minutes ago, Frogie said:

If you do a psychiatrist online they will. I did it a couple of times between drs?

Just do the best you can to keep consistent and we'll get it figured out.

I have never heard of that. In fact, I found a law banning online doctors from prescribing controlled substances, so I'm not sure how that happened. Literally any doctor I've tried online said they cannot prescribe Xanax, and many have it listed as a "not available" drug in their site.

I don't know. I want to be off of this. I'm having severe anxiety, confusion and agitation whenever I take it.

January 2, 2022

Did you get your scale? Without a scale, it's going to be really difficult to do a fast taper to get you off of this. Can you get liquid prescribed? That would be easy to taper you off of.

January 2, 2022

Just now, Frogie said:

Did you get your scale? Without a scale, it's going to be really difficult to do a fast taper to get you off of this. Can you get liquid prescribed? That would be easy to taper you off of.

I have a scale.

January 2, 2022

If you can get your psychiatrist to regularly prescribe the xanax we can fast taper you off with a scale by crushing and weighing the doses

Edited January 2, 2022 by Frogie

January 2, 2022

13 minutes ago, Frogie said:

If you can get your psychiatrist to regularly prescribe the xanax we can fast taper you off with a scale by crushing and weighing the doses

I get 15, 0.5 pills a month. That's enough since I only take 0.09 mg a day. I'm already crushing and weighing. My issue with my doctor is that she's awful at calling in prescription refills and is lazy and apathetic-but I do get them regularly, in theory.

I have enough to taper if it comes to that.

January 2, 2022

Ok, let me know and we can try a little faster taper and see what happens. But I think you need to stabilize on this dose for a little while. So at this point, take the .03 three times a day and we can talk about it a little later

January 2, 2022

14 hours ago, UnusualRoom said:

0.5 mg. I just took my nightly 0.03 mg and had a solid panic attack about an hour and 15 minutes later. While the panic is subsiding, my muscles are super tight and shaking, and I have shallow breathe. I absolutely hate these things. I really want to get off of these, especially since my psychiatrist isn't refilling them in a timely manner and that stress is really getting to me.

Hey there,

This was last night then?

And then I not seeing any notes from the 1st, or yesterday.

Wondering when the Luvox was taken?

Again, this will be clearer when you post it in Note from.

And then 2 or 3 days together.

I know you hate your pills, the above quote is around the Xanax.

I do think though that you will benefit or at least reduce harm(symptoms and CNS jolts) if you can stay regular for longer than one day, once you make a plan and agree to it.

So again, this just illustrates how helpful notes/daily drug symptom logs can be. Not only for us, but for you.

You keep making your own changes, makes it very hard.

Best, L, P, H, and G,

mmt

January 2, 2022

UnusualRoom

Started conversation: 2 hours ago · IP

Good afternoon,

Quick question: if I'm at 0.03mg 3 times a day, so 0.09 a day, is it worth it to switch to valium at this point, or is that a low enough dose to just continue to end with xanax?

Thank you.

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I would just taper off of the xanax. You have too many problems to switch over such a low amount with the xanax.

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3 minutes ago, Frogie said:

I would just taper off of the xanax. You have too many problems to switch over such a low amount with the xanax.

Legit. I put in a request for liquid Xanax today.

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Ok. I'm going to post this information on your page so everyone working with you will have the information.

January 2, 2022

I am very late to this conversation, but in my experience of weaning off drugs (Celexa, Cymbalta and Klonipin), I have found that when having extreme Withdrawal Recations, that I have had to up my dosages to a level where my brain and body can function again. Give your body what it needs to cancel out the severe reduction of your meds. Then and only when I have stablized for a couple months did I microscopically taper at all. I had all your sypmtoms for 8 months until thought I was going to die. I had tapered too quickly even though I took several months, but my body and brain could only handle doing it over 3 years. I'm still tapering and recently had to stop a 10% reduction and drop it to a 3% reduction and stablize. So sorry for your pain.

Currently looking for threads on muscle aches/cramps/weakness from weaning.

January 2, 2022

@UnusualRoom

After talking with @manymoretodays I think we have agreed to have you try to take your Luvox and Xanax 2 hours apart from each other. That might help with the symptoms you are having.

Also, when you weight you xanax, are you weighing one tablet at a time? The reason I ask is they all weigh different because of the fillers in them. Let me know on this and I can walk to you through how to get a baseline weight so you get the same weight each time.

January 2, 2022

13 minutes ago, Frogie said:

@UnusualRoom

After talking with @manymoretodays I think we have agreed to have you try to take your Luvox and Xanax 2 hours apart from each other. That might help with the symptoms you are having.

Also, when you weight you xanax, are you weighing one tablet at a time? The reason I ask is they all weigh different because of the fillers in them. Let me know on this and I can walk to you through how to get a baseline weight so you get the same weight each time.

I literally just ground it into dust and weight out 0.03mg every time. I don’t know how much more accurate you could get than that.

January 2, 2022

What you need to do it weigh 10 tablets at the same time.

This is just an example:

If 10 tablets weigh .150 grams, then divide that by 10. That would be .15 grams. That would be your baseline weight. So you would crush 10-15 tablets at the same time and then weigh out .030 for each dose.

Each tablet weighs different because of the fillers so you need to be as accurate as you can.

Using a digital scale to measure doses

January 2, 2022

11 minutes ago, Frogie said:

What you need to do it weigh 10 tablets at the same time.

This is just an example:

If 10 tablets weigh .150 grams, then divide that by 10. That would be .15 grams. That would be your baseline weight. So you would crush 10-15 tablets at the same time and then weigh out .030 for each dose.

Each tablet weighs different because of the fillers so you need to be as accurate as you can.

Using a digital scale to measure doses

I’m not sure I follow the logic here. Is this just using the law of averages? If they’re all different….it doesn’t seem like it would matter because all the combined differences could potentially make it worse?

And the accuracy would only be ensured through one batch, not necessarily the next one?

January 2, 2022

There is a certain amount of variance in the weights of tablets, and so we want an average weight for your 0.5 mg tablets.

2 hours ago, UnusualRoom said:

I’m not sure I follow the logic here. Is this just using the law of averages? If they’re all different….it doesn’t seem like it would matter because all the combined differences could potentially make it worse?

And the accuracy would only be ensured through one batch, not necessarily the next one?

The differences are minimal, and should not make things worse. It IS a great idea to recalculate when you get a new prescription bottle too.

From the average weight of your 0.5 mgai(active ingredient or dose strength) we can calculate what a 0.03 mgai dose would weigh.

The pill weight is not the same as the pill dose. Even though they are often both expressed in mg(milligrams).

We usually abbreviate pill weights to mgpw.

Dose strength to mgai.

We are always interested more in the dose than JUST the weight of your pill, or crushed pill material.

Using a scale to weigh and measure doses

^ this one is a long topic and I am not finding the specifics right now on weighing and then calculating dosages from that.....it is in there though.

So here is an example from another members topic, where it is explained concisely too.

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/25357-dicks3-stopped-venlafaxine-xr-after-13-years-need-advice/?do=findComment&comment=559586

This example mentions beads at the end and involves another drug, but it might help. Hopefully it will.

And then ask, once you have that average weight for your 0.5 mg Xanax tablets, as I know Frogie would like to help you establish a consistent, accurate dose of your Xanax.

Hope that helps.

Best, L, P, H, and G,

mmt

Edited January 2, 2022 by manymoretodays

January 2, 2022

33 minutes ago, manymoretodays said:

There is a certain amount of variance in the weights of tablets, and so we want an average weight for your 0.5 mg tablets.

The differences are minimal, and should not make things worse. It IS a great idea to recalculate when you get a new prescription bottle too.

From the average weight of your 0.5 mgai(active ingredient or dose strength) we can calculate what a 0.03 mgai dose would weigh.

The pill weight is not the same as the pill dose. Even though they are often both expressed in mg(milligrams).

We usually abbreviate pill weights to mgpw.

Dose strength to mgai.

We are always interested more in the dose than JUST the weight of your pill, or crushed pill material.

Using a scale to weigh and measure doses

^ this one is a long topic and I am not finding the specifics right now on weighing and then calculating dosages from that.....it is in there though.

So here is an example from another members topic, where it is explained concisely too.

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/25357-dicks3-stopped-venlafaxine-xr-after-13-years-need-advice/?do=findComment&comment=559586

This example mentions beads at the end and involves another drug, but it might help. Hopefully it will.

And then ask, once you have that average weight for your 0.5 mg Xanax tablets, as I know Frogie would like to help you establish a consistent, accurate dose of your Xanax.

Hope that helps.

Best, L, P, H, and G,

mmt

I give up. Thanks for all your help.

January 3, 2022

Please don't give up.

Just go ahead and weigh one intact 0.5 mg Xanax.

Then weigh several at once, and divide the weight by the number of them you weighed.

Then post the results.

Meantime, take your doses, when scheduled.

You'll see. You don't have to get it all right now. I could barely do simple math for months and months, so I just really like it now, and find it fun. You'll have things referenced here anyway. Go to beauty and thoughts of wellness.

And keep the wonderful NOTES coming.

This is bound to be tough times, you have self made so many changes, with drugs, doses, and timings. And followed our suggested changes too. Like we've said.....it can take a few days to a week for things to settle. Settle isn't always back to completely normal......but is better, and easier to cope with.

Best, L, P, H, and G,

mmt

Edited January 3, 2022 by manymoretodays
and followed suggested changes too

January 6, 2022

I haven’t read this yet but for a few sentences, but I can already say thank goodness, a Luvox thread.! I am down to 16 mg liquid taper Luvox and struggling and suffering. Will write more when I read more. Maybe we can help each other. 😢

January 6, 2022

8 hours ago, Warriormaden said:

I haven’t read this yet but for a few sentences, but I can already say thank goodness, a Luvox thread.! I am down to 16 mg liquid taper Luvox and struggling and suffering. Will write more when I read more. Maybe we can help each other. 😢

I have looked everywhere for liquid Luvox and was told it doesn't exist. How did you get it?

January 6, 2022

Giving this another shot. The Xanax dosages are all over the place because I'm having *severe* paradoxical reactions. I almost lost consciousness. while driving and have have hallucinations while trying to sleep that I don't get with withdrawal, so I've made the decision to do a more rapid taper, as I feel being on Xanax is more dangerous than w/d at this point. I don't particularly want to post these all but at the request of the mods, I am. Here is a few days of notes.

January 1

8:50 A.M.- Woke up. Took 0.03 mg of Xanax.

9:30 A.M.- Face/head pain. Took 250 mg of Tylenol.

9:45 A.M.-Feel warm. Muscle a little agitated.

10:00 A.M.- Feeling anxious, some body tension/body surge.

10:30 A.M.- 6.25 mg of Luvox

10:45 A.M.-Ate

11:10 A.M.- Body tension/ pain. Chest tightness, having to take deep breaths. More head/face pain in nerves and muscles. Muscle agitation in legs. Shortness of breath when talking.

11:45 A.M.-Ate

1:00 P.M. -Dizziness, head and face pain, ear pressure, pressure in forehead. Sharp nerve pain in back of head. Fatigue, muscle fatigue. Lack of balance.

1:15 P.M.-Snack

1:30 P.M.-Feeling bad. Muscle fatigue, weakness, aching, some agitation/akathisia. Rocking sensation/dizziness.

2:00 P.M.-Ate. Muscle jitteriness/irritation. Intense body aches. 0.03 mg xanax.*

2:15 P.M.- Severe aches and tension. Dizziness from neck tension / nerve irritation and jelly legs. (I think made worse by some of the carbs in my meal.)

3:30 P.M.- Occipital pain. Muscle pain. Dizziness.

5:00 P.M.- Head pain and occipital nerve, muscle aches. Feeling sad.

6:15 P.M.- Ate. Some pain but feeling better, balance is better.

7:00P.M. - Snack. Some muscle jitters from sugar but not awful. Thinking seems clearer.

7:15 P.M.- Dizzy off balance head muscle tension, some anxiety tremors ( I think this is blood sugar/ dumping syndrome)

7:30 P.M.- ate protein to balance out sugar

8:00 P.M.- 0.03 mg Xanax

8:30 P.M.- Feeling very warm. Starting to get some leg weakness.

9:00 P.M. - Dizzy rocking sensation. Muscle twitching. Muscle tension, anxiety surge. Tinnitus. Nausea. Having trouble getting solid breaths in.

9:30 P.M.- Severe anxiety. Panic. Head tension. Akathisia.

9:45 P.M.- feeling very hot.

10:00 P.M.- Dizzy. Feeling like ****. 25 mg of Luvox

10:45 P.M. -heart palpitations

11:10 P.M.-head pressure, ear ringing

11:45 P.M.- chest pressure, tightness, dizzy.

Sleep-Not bad but not the best either. woke up at 6 AM. Took magnesium and fell back a sleep at like 7:30 AM.

January 2

5:00 A.M.-Woke up

6:15 A.M.- magnesium glycinate

10:00 A.M.-6.25 mg Luvox

10:30 A.M.- Tinnitus. Head fullness/foggy.

11:00 A.M.-Feeling warm. Anxious. Head foggy.

11:00 A.M.- Feel horrible. Mind emptiness, body tension, akathisia, terrified, anxiety panic.

12:00 P.M. -0.03 mg of Xanax

12:15 P.M. -Ate. Starting to feel the edge off but not getting the dopey, cognitive issues.

2:00 P.M- Stomach pains.

4:00 P.M.- Feeling dizzy, head pressure, tinnitus. Head fullness/ vestibular.

4:15 P.M. - Rocking, dizzy. Feeling jittery.

4:30 P.M.-Body tension, akathisia, trouble breathing. Ear crackling

4:45P.M.- out if it. Disconnected. Took magnesium and had snack.

5:00 feel awful and anxious

6:20 PM- 0.03 mg of Xanax

7:30 chills . Feel awful, anxious body tension and jitters. Dizzy

9:14 been feeling anxious jittery and scared. Heart palps.

9:35 25mg of Luvox

10:15 pain, dizziness rocking took 0.01-3 of Xanax

11:35 Xanax

4:15 woke up. Tinnitus. Took magnesium.

5:00 took 125 mg of Tylenol and crotch numbing pills

**Stop logging for some reason **

January 3

9:30 woke up

10 took 3.125 mg of Luvox

10:30 Took magnesium

11 feeling kind of weird. Chest feeling/tingly and muscle jitters a bit

11:30 chest pain weirdness. Anxious moving around

12:00-Ate. Took 0.03 mg of Xanax

12:1- head pressure. Nerve head pain. Muscles feel weird.

12:54 muscle twitching, light akathisia

1:15: Ate

135 muscle pain; jittery, weak shortness of breath. Sneezing . Burning wired

1:45 muscle tightness in back of head

2:00 muscle jerks

2:15 tightening dizziness feel weird balance tinnitus. Lots of tightening joint pain and pressure stiffness

2:30 labored breathing

300 Bath. Had weird whole body feeling. Dizzy but without movement-it’s weird. Like it doesn’t know where it is in space or exists without a place in space

3:30 Ate. Magnesium and vitamin c theanine

350: poke of Xanax

400 blood sugar 203

4:30 dizzy rocking head pressue chest weirdness

4:40 twitchy akathisia

500 chills

500 Xanax

9:00 feeling messed up and weird in my brain/head. Body feels odd, irritated neck not sure if relates. Scared feels like **** is shutting down

950 nauseai

1000 25 mg luvox

10:30 neck tension head pain

11:30 nausae feeling stoned and sh*tty

12:00 0.017 mg Xanax

12:10 muscle twitching jitters

Slept ok. Woke up at 6 am for short period but fell back a sleep.

January 4

Accidentally deleted from iPhone notes. Very similar to the 3rd, almost identical. Sleep was really weird. Took Xanax at night, 2 hours apart from luvox, and I felt completely drugged up and fell a sleep but it felt like a "medicated", doped up drift into sleep, not a peaceful one. Woke up at 6 AM. Stayed awake for a couple hours then fell back a sleep.

January 5

6:00-Woke up. Took mag.

7:30-Fell a sleep then woke up terrified. Had bad dreams.

8:20- 0.015 mg Xanax. Anxiety, fear, tremors.

8:50-Skin, nerve irritation. Eyelids feel weird

9:15-Dizzy. Rocking. Feeling more pain and sensitivity.

9:35-Head and ear fullness. Tinnitus.

9:45-Jittery. Tight muscles. Labored breathing. Anxiety.

11:40-Feel awful. Scared, anxious, have akathisia and empty body/mind feeling. Feels like my body doesn’t exist or isn’t in space. Took fish oil.

12:00-Still crying. Feel disconnected and like I’m not in my body or can’t feel or not in control of my body or thoughts. Starting to feel some muscle pain/discomfort and zoning out into space. Had to drive to therapist and feel disoriented and confused on the way. Felt like passing out.

12:10-Muscle irritation. Fatigue. Rocking/dizziness. Nerve pain. Nausea. Very cold.

2:35-Body aches. Drowsy, out of it, dpdr.

5:50- still have nerve pain, muscle pain and weakness and feeling out of it, but less severe than earlier. Functioning, cleaning and overall feel better.

6:20- Head pressure, pain, hyperarousel (food or drug?) Neck tightness, pain. Easing up around 6:26. Possible blood sugar thing.

6:50-Feeling a bit better. Cold, chills.

9:00-starting to feel icky, anxious, light headed, disoriented, tinnitus and heart palps. Took 0.012 mg of Xanax.

10:15: Feeling a little better.

10:30-sharp pain in chest muscle my breast

10:45-Feeling a little better. Tinnitus nerve pain

11:00-25 mg Luvox

11:30-lip burning sensation. Leg muscles feel twitchy jittery rocking sensation head fullness/pressure dizzy nausea heavy neck and head tightness parathisia sneezing. Faded after about two hours.

Slept fairly well.

January 6, 2022

A note: My Xanax dosage has never been consistent, because I was told to "take it as needed". Even dosages from notes going back a week are all guesses, and I really think I was taking closer to 0.015-0.02 than 0.03, now that I have a scale and can gauge the "chunks" better". When I received my scale this week, I've been properly weighing using the scale techniques provided (weighing, dividing, etc.) I feel confident in this, but it seems as if the highest dose I can tolerate without feeling like I'm going to die or pass out, is around 0.012 mg.

January 6, 2022

Update: Tried updating my signature 3 times but it won't upload new version.

Currently: 0.012mg of Xanax (8AM), 0.012mg of Xanax (8PM) and 25mg of Luvox (10PM).

Second day of this and feel a lot better.

January 6, 2022

I'm just going to straight up ask you this:

I'm now taking 0.012mg twice a day. (0.024 per day)

Before that, it was around 0.015-0.018 for a week or so. I never got above .125 a day the last four months.

This is miserable. I feel better the further I am away from a Xanax dosage, and taking even a small amount sets forth a cascade of paradoxical affects. Can I just stop taking it at this low of a dose?

January 6, 2022

I'm going to give you a copy of my taper that I did. It was really fast in the middle (the part I'm copying to you) because the dr stopped prescribing it to me. This isn't my whole taper. You have to remember though I was on 3 mg a day starting out. And this is all in grams, how the scale weighs and I took it 3 times a day. Obviously the dates will be off for you, but it gives you an idea of what I did. This was posted on my benzo page on May 30, 2020.

This is what I came up with. I have enough powder to do 10 day holds, but not 2 weeks at the end of June.

Here are my calculations:

My calculations

.045 June 1-10

.035 June 11-20

.027 June 21-30

.022 July 1-10

.019 July 11-20

.016 July 21-30

.013 July 31-August 9

.011 August 10-19

.009 August 20-29

.006 August 30-September 8

.003 September 9-18

I don’t have enough powder to do a 2 week hold at the end of June. But I can go lower and do 10 days between tapers. But that puts me to the middle of September instead of jumping in July.

I will jump off at .003 grams (what shows on the scale).

Let me know if this makes sense to you or if you have any questions.

January 6, 2022

19 minutes ago, Frogie said:

I'm going to give you a copy of my taper that I did. It was really fast in the middle (the part I'm copying to you) because the dr stopped prescribing it to me. This isn't my whole taper. You have to remember though I was on 3 mg a day starting out. And this is all in grams, how the scale weighs and I took it 3 times a day. Obviously the dates will be off for you, but it gives you an idea of what I did. This was posted on my benzo page on May 30, 2020.

This is what I came up with. I have enough powder to do 10 day holds, but not 2 weeks at the end of June.

Here are my calculations:

My calculations

.045 June 1-10

.035 June 11-20

.027 June 21-30

.022 July 1-10

.019 July 11-20

.016 July 21-30

.013 July 31-August 9

.011 August 10-19

.009 August 20-29

.006 August 30-September 8

.003 September 9-18

I don’t have enough powder to do a 2 week hold at the end of June. But I can go lower and do 10 days between tapers. But that puts me to the middle of September instead of jumping in July.

I will jump off at .003 grams (what shows on the scale).

Let me know if this makes sense to you or if you have any questions.

This helps. Still not completely sure what to do, but I guess I could spread it out over a few weeks.

January 6, 2022

@Frogie Did you only take Xanax once per day, or multiple dosages per day?

January 6, 2022

I am terrified I'm going to have a seizure and die from this benzo stuff.

What are the chances of me having a seizure on this low of a dose?

I'm not going to go cold turkey, but in theory, if someone did, is the chance of seizure higher on higher doses and less with these tiny doses?

I just need reassurance.

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