btdt Posted February 25, 2015 Author Share Posted February 25, 2015 http://www.fasebj.org/cgi/content/meeting_abstract/27/1_MeetingAbstracts/1079.17 1079.17 L. reuteri NCIMB 30242: The Sunshine Probiotic ? Mitchell L. Jones1, Christopher J. Martoni2 and Satya Prakash1 1 Biomedical Engineering, McGill University, Montreal, QC, Canada2 Micropharma Ltd, Montreal, QC, Canada Background/Objectives: Low serum 25-hydroxyvitamin D (25(OH)D) is a risk factor for cardiovascular disease (CVD). Bile salt hydrolase (BSH) – active Lactobacillus reuteri NCIMB 30242 capsules have been shown to lower cholesterol and reduce sterol absorption; however their effect on fat soluble vitamins are unknown and the main objective of this study. Hypothesis: The research hypothesis is that L. reuteri NCIMB 30242 capsules would not significantly alter serum fat soluble vitamins in a randomized controlled trial. Methods: 127 subjects were randomized to consume L. reuteri NCIMB 30242 or placebo capsules over a 9-week intervention period. Results: Oral supplementation of L. reuteri NCIMB 30242 capsules did not result in reduced serum vitamins A, E and â-carotene and unexpectedly increased 25(OH)D. Despite no differences in dietary intake (P>0.05), subjects consuming L. reuteri NCIMB 30242 showed increased serum 25(OH)D over the intervention period by 14.9 nmol/l or 25.5%, which was a significant mean change relative to placebo of 17.1 nmol/l (P=0.005) or 22.4% respectively (P=0.011). Changes in 25(OH)D were negatively correlated with hs-CRP (r = –0.208, P=0.023). Conclusions: To our knowledge this is the first report of increased serum 25(OH)D with oral probiotic supplementation. L. reuteri NCIMB 30242 should be considered for improving vitamin D status in individuals with CVD. This is a followup on the post made above and now I am wondering what CVD is.. when I looked it up found cardio vascular disease but not sure that is what they mean any ideas? I stopped taking the Bio Gaia but I am planning on taking it again. My thinking is vastly improved as are other symptoms. I found it difficult to take and will be doing more research before I take it again. NOTE: L.reuteri 30242 stated in the article above is not the strain I was taking I was taking L.reuteri 17938 L. reuteri will be looking for a product that contains L.reuteri 30242 WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted February 25, 2015 Author Share Posted February 25, 2015 It is cardio vascular disease this is a life extensions brand link but it has the information lowers cholesterol. http://www.lef.org/Magazine/2014/10/Probiotic-Targets-Cardiovascular-Disease/Page-01?p=1 WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted February 25, 2015 Author Share Posted February 25, 2015 I've tried to pm you so many times btdt but for some reason it won't send. Is your inbox full? Yes my inbox is over flowing I keep emails as my memory is terrible and I don't want to insult people when they contact me and I cannot recall who they are ... I know it sucks I do recall when I read the previous emails I need a mind jog. Unless it is a really bad time a jog will work. I will tidy up my inbox sorry Muddles. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted February 25, 2015 Author Share Posted February 25, 2015 I feel like I am recovering from an illness... taking the Bio Gaia has helped a lot of things I think I will list them when I am sure... but it makes me ill. I took it for 5 days with lower doses the last few days. I am taking time off it to see if it actually does establish itself in my digestion. I do not want to be dependent on anything not even a probiotic and I cannot tolerate taking it all the time. I did read if your gut is fine you would not have any reaction to it unless your were lactose intolerant... I don't think I am. I have read some babies react to it with crying but most feel better it is given to babies same dose I started on to treat colic. Seems benigh enough and I have to admit feeling odd about babies taking it... considering how sick it made me. I am thinking it is me... question is am I am completely crazy or is there something very real going on here. I guess time will tell. peace all WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted February 25, 2015 Author Share Posted February 25, 2015 I have tidies up my in box I am not sure how long I will be here as I have my third warning as long as I am here I will answer my inbox emails. There is no public notice of warnings I am the only one who can see them I am not sure if there is any public notice of banning either... so I may just disappear and not post again if I am banned. The rules are at the 4th warning a person is banned so the newt warning I get I am out... I am not sure if my friends here will know... as such would like to give notice I am not ignoring you if I disappear I have been banned. peace all. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted February 26, 2015 Author Share Posted February 26, 2015 I felt really good and normal for a part of a day last wk. It was like magic and a person who knew me when was dropping off her child to baby sit... she seen it I know she did and she asked what I was taking... I told her about the probiotic but not all about it. I tend to leave out most of what is in my head for fear it makes no sense when it comes to health issues as I know already people cannot relate and there is not sense alienating everyone on the planet. Even her being a nurse has her limits of my theories and complaints. Tho she has had some of her own I have heard and helped her work through. I have been doing nothing else but that silly little probiotic so there is nothing else I can account this feeling good to except that. I have stopped taking it now for 3 days yesterday I took the other type of probiotic I use to take. Tho it helps me I have to go to bed after I take it and I have too many appointments to keep so need to be awake. I have been to see the liver specialist yesterday. While he is unenthused by me as a patient and always has been... my gp sent me back for a look at my liver I had no follow previously. She said nothing in her report about the drug induce colitis or the infection i battled for a year or the vomiting or the black stools... so I tried to fill him in. I have to go to another apt now but will say he told me the fibosis in my liver is an 11... first time he ever said that... I said I know I have stage 2 fibrosis he said no it is way more than that... I did not know what to say to that as the only person who ever talked to me about my liver is him so I know he is the one who said stage 2... I also told him about getting lost and not being able to think... I asked if the liver issue could cause such things he said yes... but it would have to be much worse than he thinks I am now.... I said well I have it and it comes and goes and I need to fix it.... exercise ...right food... told him since the car accident this pain came on and in my back ...and a few other places put an end to my exercise. I need to get back at it. I told him about the l reuteri... he was not informed and even less interested... he said vit E 400mg a day ... have I been taking it... I said I ran out. I bought some on the way home... will do that faithfully. Tho the l reuteri puts me to bed it has fixed my brain for at least part of a day... that is what I believe tho I don't know that all the other things it is doing is good for me... that is the long story made short as I have another apt to get to.... I am not sure where it goes from here but I do know L Reuteri is going to be part of it. We left it as a question... I will have another expensive for me scan and see what it says... he says if I have cirrosis sorry sp... he will have to watch me much closer than he has ... I said you already told me there is nothing to help the liver other than vit E - exercise and diet... as I was wondering why get another scan... so closer watching in on the table... but I already know this is my issue... I already know the probiotic helped me tho it may have other questions... I am not exactly sure how this will pan out but I do know my liver is much better off today than it was before I took the l reuteri. No I am not selling the stuff... I have had a pain in my back since Dec 2012 a really bad one that comes tot he front... I thought it was my spine or broken rib... Now that pain is almost gone it is there sometimes... all this time it has had something to do with my liver or digestion or something... it would be nice if docs could document it all and had been on top of it ...but I am not waiting for them to figure out L reuteri helps... I am looking after me after all this time in pain... I am not waiting for them anymore. peace all WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
Muddles Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 I am pleased you are getting somewhere and very pleased to see you here - I thought you may have gone! Struggled to read and take in your post but sounds like something is working! I did pm you - I'm not sure if you have got it this time. 2008 - Doctors appointment with stress induced anxiety led to Citalopram prescription. Severe adverse reaction Mirtazapine prescribed - adverse reaction but told to stay on. Poop out - December 2013 15mg Currently on 13.5mg, April 12mg May 10th - 11mg June 10th - 10mg July 8th - 9mg September - 0mg Link to comment
btdt Posted February 26, 2015 Author Share Posted February 26, 2015 I cleaned up my inbox on SA yesterday so likely things are ok with pming me now... I will check soon. I am not sure this is all there is to it but it is something...a bit of it... been there too many times with oh I found the answer ...too many times let down to walk wildly into that again. I had this liver issue at the time of the accident the rib I broke in the accident is close to the liver who knows what connection that has the swelling ect. The affect of the drugs to treat the pneumonia from the broken rib I am sure all things play their part in the mix. I am not going unless I am banned if I am banned I am not sure if others will know that is what that post was about. I have a few more apts to get thru seems they always all come at once. It tires me so I may be not here as much as rest is important. I keep getting warning for posting things incorrectly in the section on "articles from Journals for the life of me I don't know what I am doing wrong it has been suggested to me to stay out of the section on science journals and perhaps stay out of trouble ... so that is what is going on if you were wondering. Guess I keep screwing up in science journals... what I post seems to me to be from science journals... I am told something is wrong with it... not sure what. really I still don't know whatever it is... not up to bothering with it just now. peace WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted February 26, 2015 Author Share Posted February 26, 2015 I am pleased you are getting somewhere and very pleased to see you here - I thought you may have gone! Struggled to read and take in your post but sounds like something is working! I did pm you - I'm not sure if you have got it this time. No pm from you Muddles I may not have cleaned up by the time you sent it sorry. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
Wildflower0214 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Why did you stop the probiotic for a couple of days? Because it makes you tired? Do you take just that one probiotic? How come you chose that one specifically? I'm excited you have seen some improvement. 2005-Zoloft bad reaction.....2006-Lexepro......2012-Upped Lexepro.......2013-Upped Lexepro......2/2014- Attempted Taper Lexepro...2/2014- Updosed Lexepro.......3/2014-Ativan.....5/2014- CT switch from Lexpro to Effexor..... 5/2014-7/2014-Tapered Ativan from 1mg to .25mg.....6/2014-Bad reaction to Effexor........7/2014- Rapid taper Effexor every other day......7/5/2014- Off Effexor.......7/2014-12/2014 - Ativan .25mg.......12/25/2014 -Taper Ativan by 4% due to paradoxical reaction .24mg...11/18/2015-Taper Ativan 1% CURRENTLY ON: .2376mg Ativan taken in 6 .0396mg doses. Link to comment
btdt Posted February 26, 2015 Author Share Posted February 26, 2015 A few reasons a lot of antibiotics this year and last that don't seem to kill whatever it is. This one but maybe not his strain has been shown to kill bacteria that antibiotics can't kill... one thing I read said in the future it will be used as an antibiotic... it not only helps digestion as in the runs and constipation but heals the mucous lining of the gut... it helps kill bad bacteria that cause cavities in the mouth and is used in lozenger form to do that alone... it has been shown to reduce hepatic encephalitis... reduce amonia when the liver can't do the job right... to get rid of amonia. There is no testing of most probiotic this one is tested so show what is says is actually in the bottle because it is sold as an infant supplement all things sold in Europe for kids must be tested so it is tested... it is one strain... only... so I know exactly what I am getting. It is safe for infants so likely safe for me... odd are good. The company that makes it is respectable and large has a patent on this one and a few others. I was looking at safety... effectiveness - and what my own personal issue are and how it may help them. It costs about 40 Canadian dollars and at 5 drops a day would last a long time. I have a few issues with it... going to bed every day I can't do and get to things I need to have done... odd feeling in my throat and woman parts I am not sure is cool... I do not want to be completely dependent on anything I am testing it ...what it is like on it what is it like off it... ect... I am a touchy touchy person... going on coming off things... all sorts of things even foods bugs me... I wan't to know before I get in over my head... I am super cautious. I am that way because I have learned the hardest way to be like this. I want to do more research on it and herx reaction before I try it again and I am hoping my thinking holds in the mean time... other than getting on the wrong bus and having some major anxiety about that... not too bad... not great either but not bad. I have bad moments but I don't have good moments till after I used this... then I had a good moment or a few... for a bit. I don't know enough about it yet that is one test I did ... I will do more... much more reading should my head turn funny on me again like it was and I can't breath like I was and my bp goes wonky like it was .... I will take it again without further learning ...if not I want to know more. That is about it JD WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
Wildflower0214 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Sounds good. Cautious is good. What brand are you taking? Just curious as I am compiling this info for a later date...hopefully sometime next year maybe, I may be able to try a bit of something. Thx for all the info. 2005-Zoloft bad reaction.....2006-Lexepro......2012-Upped Lexepro.......2013-Upped Lexepro......2/2014- Attempted Taper Lexepro...2/2014- Updosed Lexepro.......3/2014-Ativan.....5/2014- CT switch from Lexpro to Effexor..... 5/2014-7/2014-Tapered Ativan from 1mg to .25mg.....6/2014-Bad reaction to Effexor........7/2014- Rapid taper Effexor every other day......7/5/2014- Off Effexor.......7/2014-12/2014 - Ativan .25mg.......12/25/2014 -Taper Ativan by 4% due to paradoxical reaction .24mg...11/18/2015-Taper Ativan 1% CURRENTLY ON: .2376mg Ativan taken in 6 .0396mg doses. Link to comment
btdt Posted February 28, 2015 Author Share Posted February 28, 2015 I am taking Bio Gaia for babies bottles says 5 drops a day for babies or adults found in the health food store in the fridge small yellow box I have taken other probiotic and even tho it was a different strain of this one that is said to increase oxytocin I do wonder if this strain would have any effect. It is reportedly this L. Reuteri that can increase the orgasm drug oxytocin... Reported here as the feel good hormone... http://www.totalityofbeing.com/FramelessPages/Articles/pain_depression_orgasms.html It seems to be involved in about every physiological thing there is... I find it interesting wish I was more clear headed what has taken me a couple of months to find and read and sort in my mind I could do in a day or two if my head would come online and stay online... but I am doing the best I can with what I have. peace WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Addax Posted February 28, 2015 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted February 28, 2015 I saw you were asking about Oxytocin vs. Cortisol on Muddles' thread and that you had looked stuff up on it as well. I hope it's okay that I post about it here in your thread... One thing I was thinking is that these drugs appear interfere with oxytocin secretion or production, which may account for the relationship problems like the ones discussed in thread about SSRIs and SNRI's destroying marriages. I say this because Ocytocin plays a key role in bonding, attraction and attachment between mother and child or romantic partners for instance. If you google bonding and oxytocin or attachment and oxytocin you should find a lot of stuff. Oxytocin is a hormone-like substance that research suggests decreases the secretion of cortisol/ suppresses cortisol response to psychological stress. Further, it assists in decreasing the stress response initiated by the sympathetic nervous system by ehlping to regulate our heart rate and lower our blood pressure. There's actually a lot of research regarding these two. Look up HPV-axis and either Oxytocin or Cortisol for more information. I know there are oxytocin nasal sprays available, but I honestly don't know how effective it is. If the search suggestions don't help you I can try and look up some articles when I have more time. Hope this is helpful! 1988-2012: Prozac @ 60mg (with a few stops and starts) Fall 2012: Returned to 40mg after discontinuing and horrid withdrawal Fall 2013: 40mg Fluoxetine, added 150mg Wellbutrin to treat fatigue Winter 2014: Attempting to taper both (too fast) April 2014: 9mg Fluoxetine + 37.5 Wellbutrin Summer 2014: 8 mg Fluoxetine + 0 Wellbutrin (way too fast a drop) Late summer/Early Fall 2014: Debilitating Withdrawal symptoms Fall 2014 - Wellbutrin successfully kicked to the curb but… Oct- Dec 2014: Panicked reinstatement of Fluoxetine ->30mg - held for 5yrs Jan 2021: taper to 20mg Fluoxetine then tapering by 1mg every 2-3 months Fall 2022 - held at 10mg->December 2022: 9mg->Feb 2023: 8mg ->March 2023: brassmonkey slide begins: 7.8mg -> 7.6 -> 7.4->2 week hold (April)->7.2->7mg->6.8->2 week hold->6.6-> 1-month hold ->(June)-6.5->4-week hold-> (July)-6.4 (discontinued brassmonkey slide and slowed taper)-> (Aug)-6.2->(Sept)-6.0->(Oct)-5.9->(Nov)-5.8->(Dec)-5.7->wave!->(Jan)-5.8->(Feb)-6mg and holding. My 2014 withdrawal experience: https://rxisk.org/antidepressant-withdrawal-a-prozac-story/ Link to comment
btdt Posted March 1, 2015 Author Share Posted March 1, 2015 Given how some people behave when drugged I wonder .... marriages failing people forgetting their vows and commitment to spouse kids themselves... seems to me the unlearning or forgetting effects of oxytocin are at play. - they say mothers forget the pain of childbirth and sheep forget the the previous lamb and attach to the next... Bit of that going on... Then the attachment to other people who mean nothing to them... and I mean NOTHING... yet they attach like they are related and committed and forget the people who need them who count on them who they have made a legitimatet commitment to..this breaks everyone involved not just the drug taker... These are the reasons I am sure oxytocin is affected by at least Effexor if not all the other drugs... The side effects of tolerance and withdrawal are like those experienced by autisist kids the sensitivity to sound for one thing the stone face the not relating... the list goes on and on. I can't tell you how it works I just know it does work it completely changes people who are solid as rocks into mush under the feet of whoever knows and wants to manipulate them... that is what I know. To hell with the rest of it. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted March 1, 2015 Author Share Posted March 1, 2015 I have a few wks of a lot of specialists I think I have talked about it before... This past wk I had a mammogram and you don't have to be a super hero to read them... there is something there for sure... I was told if I do not hear from my doctor early in the wk next wk to call and ask about the report. I know it could be a cyst or something benigh but I don't think so not with how I have been feeling a long time now. I am not sure this is how I want to spend my time any longer. If this is it for me... well maybe I want to do something else... then I think of it all and for more than half my life this has been my life... or my and the drugs and powers that pull the strings life not really mine at all so what would I know about what the hell to do with it... sense my contempt ... guess the autistic bit is wearing off you too then. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted March 1, 2015 Author Share Posted March 1, 2015 I saw you were asking about Oxytocin vs. Cortisol on Muddles' thread and that you had looked stuff up on it as well. I hope it's okay that I post about it here in your thread... One thing I was thinking is that these drugs appear interfere with oxytocin secretion or production, which may account for the relationship problems like the ones discussed in thread about SSRIs and SNRI's destroying marriages. I say this because Ocytocin plays a key role in bonding, attraction and attachment between mother and child or romantic partners for instance. If you google bonding and oxytocin or attachment and oxytocin you should find a lot of stuff. Oxytocin is a hormone-like substance that research suggests decreases the secretion of cortisol/ suppresses cortisol response to psychological stress. Further, it assists in decreasing the stress response initiated by the sympathetic nervous system by ehlping to regulate our heart rate and lower our blood pressure. There's actually a lot of research regarding these two. Look up HPV-axis and either Oxytocin or Cortisol for more information. I know there are oxytocin nasal sprays available, but I honestly don't know how effective it is. If the search suggestions don't help you I can try and look up some articles when I have more time. Hope this is helpful! The only thing I have found legal to up the oxytocin are made by Bio Gaia... bit different strain than the one I took... I have been reading about oxytocin a lot... high amounts found in the brain of Alzheimer patients... used in unlearning or forgetting what you love... I wonder... seems like something gets messed up in that system for some for sure WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
Muddles Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Im sorry to hear about the recent scan. It may we'll be a cyst btdt - i know a lot have lumps and bumps appear in withdrawal. I'm thinking of you. 2008 - Doctors appointment with stress induced anxiety led to Citalopram prescription. Severe adverse reaction Mirtazapine prescribed - adverse reaction but told to stay on. Poop out - December 2013 15mg Currently on 13.5mg, April 12mg May 10th - 11mg June 10th - 10mg July 8th - 9mg September - 0mg Link to comment
btdt Posted March 1, 2015 Author Share Posted March 1, 2015 Ya I know what you mean Muddles I have a lot of stuff in withdrawal and to tell you the truth I have been expecting something like this for years... I think I said it before nobody feels this bad this long and walk away. It has been a long old battle already. Maybe your right I just don't think so.. call me superstitious but seeing my Mom's face last wk has me thinking otherwise. I know the routine call back wait ultrasound...blah blah blah... been there too. Out of all the things I can think of that will suck about this is telling the people who love me. They has stood by me through a lot we have all had a bad time lately I don't they can take anymore. So lets hope for a cyst but I just don't think it is. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
UnfoldingSky Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 btdt, I just read of your scan and I'm so worried for you. I dearly, dearly hope it turns out to be a cyst. I am not a medical professional and nothing I say is a medical opinion or meant to be medical advice, please seek a competent and trusted medical professional to consult for all medical decisions. Link to comment
WinningThrough Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Thinking of you, btdt. I hope everything will be ok x The only way out is through. Aug 2013 - Augmentin leading to akathisia Sept-Nov 2013 - Citalopram 20mg, severe reaction, off at 5mg. Valium 4mg, prn Oct 2013 - 5 zopiclone tablets, 7.5mg End Nov 2013-end Feb 2014, Seroquel, top dose 150mg, off at 25mg End Nov 2013-early march 2014, Zoloft 100mg top dose, off at 25mg End Dec-2013-early April 2014, lorazepam 1mg prn April 3rd 2014 zoloft 5mg for a few days. 18/4/14 - zoloft, 1mg. Came off at 0.35 mg,14th June 2014 29 June 2014 - 1mg lorazepam, last ever 29 June 2014 - med free Link to comment
westcoast Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 B, do you have to wait to find out? Can you simply call now or in the morning? In any case the people who love you will rally if it is cancer, and if it is, treatment still might be simple. Fingers crossed for good news, but if it is bad, we are still all here with you. Just a bunch of hairless apes on a spinning rock going around a star. Why does it have to be so ... Painful? 2009: Cancer hospital said I had adjustment disorder because I thought they were doing it wrong. Their headshrinker prescribed Effexor, and my life set on a new course. I didn't know what was ahead, like a passenger on Disneyland's Matterhorn, smiling and waving as it climbs...clink, clink, clink. 2010: Post surgical accidental Effexor discontinuation by nurses, masked by intravenous Dilaudid. (The car is balanced at the top of the track.) I get home, pop a Vicodin, and ... Whooosh...down, down, down, down, down...goes the trajectory of my life, up goes my mood and tendency to think everything is a good idea.2012: After the bipolar jig was up, now a walking bag of unrelated symptoms, I went crazy on Daytrana (the Ritalin skin patch by Noven), because ADHD was a perfect fit for a bag of unrelated symptoms. I was prescribed Effexor for the nervousness of it, and things got neurological. An EEG showed enough activity to warrant an epilepsy diagnosis rather than non-epileptic ("psychogenic") seizures. 2013-2014: Quit everything and got worse. I probably went through DAWS: dopamine agonist withdrawal syndrome. I drank to not feel, but I felt a lot: dread, fear, regret, grief: an utter sense of total loss of everything worth breathing about, for almost two years. I was not suicidal but I wanted to be dead, at least dead to the experience of my own brain and body. 2015: I began to recover after adding virgin coconut oil and organic grass-fed fed butter to a cup of instant coffee in the morning. I did it hoping for mental acuity and better memory. After ten days of that, I was much better, mood-wise. Approximately neutral. And, I experienced drowsiness. I could sleep. Not exactly happy, I did 30 days on Wellbutrin, because it had done me no harm in the past. I don't have the DAWS mood or state of mind. It never feel like doing anything if it means standing up. In fact, I don't especially like moving. I'm a brain with a beanbag body. Link to comment
Wildflower0214 Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Btdt. Please let us know as soon as you know. Praying. Xo Generally speaking, no news is good news from a doctor. 2005-Zoloft bad reaction.....2006-Lexepro......2012-Upped Lexepro.......2013-Upped Lexepro......2/2014- Attempted Taper Lexepro...2/2014- Updosed Lexepro.......3/2014-Ativan.....5/2014- CT switch from Lexpro to Effexor..... 5/2014-7/2014-Tapered Ativan from 1mg to .25mg.....6/2014-Bad reaction to Effexor........7/2014- Rapid taper Effexor every other day......7/5/2014- Off Effexor.......7/2014-12/2014 - Ativan .25mg.......12/25/2014 -Taper Ativan by 4% due to paradoxical reaction .24mg...11/18/2015-Taper Ativan 1% CURRENTLY ON: .2376mg Ativan taken in 6 .0396mg doses. Link to comment
direstraits Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 hope you'll be OK btdt-thinking of you went on Prozac 1994-99,60mg.poopout ct back on 2001-2002,prozac weekly 2002,not working,Effexor 75 mg.?2003-mar.2004 gaining weight 8wk. taper,wellbutrin 150 mg.mar. -may 2004 ctmedfree til july 2005 back to Prozac gaining weight again,back on wellbutrin jan.2006150-300 mg.bad constipation.also was taking aygestin(hormone)perimenopausal irregular bleeding.back on Prozac around sept,?2006,hysterectomy jan30.2007(adenomyosis)off&on Prozac til 2009,citalopram about 1 mo, April 2010 no effect,Effexor again may -mar, 2011.ct,Prozac aug,-dec, 2011 &sept-nov 2012,paroxetine oct,23 2013-may 4 2014 20 mgs.tapered 6 wks.-failed RI in Oct.2014-in protracted WD.started 10 mgs. Fluoxetine May 25 2021 .Stopped fluoxetine May 2022 at 5 mgs. Link to comment
btdt Posted March 4, 2015 Author Share Posted March 4, 2015 Plugging through appointments it always seems to be like this wait forever then they all come at once and it is exhausting and mind boggling both. I have not heard and my doctor does not work Fridays only MTWT... in the clinic for two half days a wk so really she is there for her patients 3 days a wk... it can take wks to get an apt. In the mean time I did see the liver specialist who told me I had second stage liver fibrosis... now says it is higher than that or was at last test...came out to 11 on the scan. He says there is nothing to do about it except take vitamine E 400mg. I mentioned the bio gaia I had been taking and how it reduces hepatic encephalitis he had not heard of it and scoffed at the idea of it. I told him I felt a lot better since trying it and my head had cleared I was thinking better. He said it my liver issues have progressed it could be causing the high bp heart issues and thinking problems... I told him since the probiotic most of that has improved... it really has... I could not walk a couple of blocks had to go in slow motion almost and my legs were like logs... things have changed for the better. Still he does not hear me so off I went to pay for more tests with money I don't have. I did another fibro scan today... this one hurt... it is not suppose to hurt I looked it up already learned if it hurts they are doing it from the wrong angle and hitting bone and not the liver ect... it should not hurt the results will be questionable... so after waiting an hour getting hurt... I told him about my broken rib from so long ago that still hurts for some odd reason... even with that he hurt me...d*ck head... I know I have no patients and should not say that...but I did....so kill me... he was a dickhead... he said my test results this time were 5.5 down from 11.. I said did you do it wrong... is the machine broken did it ever work? My doctor told me there is nothing to do it would not get better only worse... so to have my numbers cut in half is odd.... Can I trust it did he do it wrong it is not the same person who did the test before now do I have to pay another $80 to get another test if he screwed it up or did it hurt because I hurt a nerve when I broke that rib. See why I hate this doctor stuff it is practice and it is art ... I want science. Not practice and art... really give me science. Outside chance I am a genius and found a wonder drug on the internet that can heal livers and is purchased for 40 bucks at the health food store 1/4 what I spent on liver scans so far. What are the chances 19 drops of L Reuteri fixed me? Lol could I be manic with delusions of grandeur ... or is it them. ... welcome to crazy town here we go for another ride so hold on tight. I had a psych assessment too just for fun... bit of a pain in the ass and set me on my heals for a day... they can't handle the truth. Sucks to feel you have to protect the healers won't be doing that any more. And to all a good night... peace WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted March 4, 2015 Author Share Posted March 4, 2015 btdt, I just read of your scan and I'm so worried for you. I dearly, dearly hope it turns out to be a cyst. I go from worried to not to worried... not much I can do about it but wait and call and wait. Even if there is a problem there is always more waiting. I hope it is a cyst too or nothing but when **** hits there is no hiding just now for some reason I want to hide a bit... maybe cause I am not up to all these a apts and looking for a place to live ect... and moving it seems a bit much is all. Bit tired still having naps bumping around aimlessly at times. I am thinking I will do the bio gaia again not sure when ...maybe after the apts are done. A tooth started hurting again so I took one drop and put it on the gum of that tooth and it stopped again. One of these days I am getting that stupid tooth out. It says this probiotic can kill infection...mold fungus all sorts of bugs ... sounds too good to be true... WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted March 4, 2015 Author Share Posted March 4, 2015 Thinking of you, btdt. I hope everything will be ok x me to thins WT two scan one good one waiting... I wonder am I ever satisfied... i get good results I don't believe them...nuts. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted March 4, 2015 Author Share Posted March 4, 2015 Btdt. Please let us know as soon as you know. Praying. Xo Generally speaking, no news is good news from a doctor. Agreed unless it is my doctor... here...lol it took 3 wks to find a broken rib... a month to get an xray read that my jaw was broken.. another few wks to find out it wasn't a mri and tests in 3 different cities... lol around I go. I sometimes thing health care here is complicated...too complicated but for all I know it is like this in the best of places if it is ... I have some ideas for doing it better. Thank you for you prayers Wildflower Interesting new name you have it will take some getting use to. peace WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted March 4, 2015 Author Share Posted March 4, 2015 B, do you have to wait to find out? Can you simply call now or in the morning? In any case the people who love you will rally if it is cancer, and if it is, treatment still might be simple. Fingers crossed for good news, but if it is bad, we are still all here with you. Just a bunch of hairless apes on a spinning rock going around a star. Why does it have to be so ... Painful? Good question.. why does it? Do you ever think there are some people who have no issues...who dance through life on some magic carpet... singing songs and eating rainbows... or is that Disney... Sometimes I think it depends on how much power and money you have it is hard to say as I don't know any rich people. Some of them look like they are having a great time and eating up those rainbows. Kind of makes me want to kick them off the spinning rock... send them spinning to the milky way where they fit. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted March 4, 2015 Author Share Posted March 4, 2015 I called the receptionist said the report is fine. If I want I can make an apt to go in and talk to her about it... I called the mammogram department too... was told it has been read and is fine. Still I am not convinced. Why is that... lack of confidence in the medical community is why. The last thing I need in another appointment but I made one may cancel it before it comes as it is a few wks away. So that is that done but it does not feel right... maybe I am so off center nothing feels right it is hard to tell sometimes. It does not take much to shove me off my hard won tower of peace. I fall often and can't maintain it without rough weather sometimes I hit my head on rocks and need to lay down and heal before I can climb up again. I am feeling a bit battered these days. wishing you all peace in the storm ... a small sliver of it... go cut a bit for yourself from the peace pie ...as for me I am going to do a meditation to shift my gears down a bit so I can think this through in a more rational state of mind. peace WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
westcoast Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Btdt. Please let us know as soon as you know. Praying. Xo Generally speaking, no news is good news from a doctor. Agreed unless it is my doctor... here...lol it took 3 wks to find a broken rib... a month to get an xray read that my jaw was broken.. another few wks to find out it wasn't a mri and tests in 3 different cities... lol around I go. I sometimes thing health care here is complicated...too complicated but for all I know it is like this in the best of places if it is ... I have some ideas for doing it better. Thank you for you prayers Wildflower Interesting new name you have it will take some getting use to. peace I think you can get radiology to fax or email you the radiologist's report. If they insist in faxing and you don't have a fax you can use my online fax and i would send you whatever they send. Message me if necessary. My gosh darned cancer was misdiagnosed for two months by my gynecologist. But radiologists are a different breed. They generally know their stuff. Plus you can have a second radiologist read the scan...though I am not sure what it would cost in Canada, if it could even be done. You're a champ. Your concern for others and your quest for understanding are inspiring. 2009: Cancer hospital said I had adjustment disorder because I thought they were doing it wrong. Their headshrinker prescribed Effexor, and my life set on a new course. I didn't know what was ahead, like a passenger on Disneyland's Matterhorn, smiling and waving as it climbs...clink, clink, clink. 2010: Post surgical accidental Effexor discontinuation by nurses, masked by intravenous Dilaudid. (The car is balanced at the top of the track.) I get home, pop a Vicodin, and ... Whooosh...down, down, down, down, down...goes the trajectory of my life, up goes my mood and tendency to think everything is a good idea.2012: After the bipolar jig was up, now a walking bag of unrelated symptoms, I went crazy on Daytrana (the Ritalin skin patch by Noven), because ADHD was a perfect fit for a bag of unrelated symptoms. I was prescribed Effexor for the nervousness of it, and things got neurological. An EEG showed enough activity to warrant an epilepsy diagnosis rather than non-epileptic ("psychogenic") seizures. 2013-2014: Quit everything and got worse. I probably went through DAWS: dopamine agonist withdrawal syndrome. I drank to not feel, but I felt a lot: dread, fear, regret, grief: an utter sense of total loss of everything worth breathing about, for almost two years. I was not suicidal but I wanted to be dead, at least dead to the experience of my own brain and body. 2015: I began to recover after adding virgin coconut oil and organic grass-fed fed butter to a cup of instant coffee in the morning. I did it hoping for mental acuity and better memory. After ten days of that, I was much better, mood-wise. Approximately neutral. And, I experienced drowsiness. I could sleep. Not exactly happy, I did 30 days on Wellbutrin, because it had done me no harm in the past. I don't have the DAWS mood or state of mind. It never feel like doing anything if it means standing up. In fact, I don't especially like moving. I'm a brain with a beanbag body. Link to comment
Skylarblue75 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Wow btdt, just caught up on your thread. So much going on. I hope your ok and that you plan on sticking around. Spring of 1998 place on birth control pills for irregular bleeding, high testosterone and one ovarian cyst, stayed on until April 2004, told to take hormone holiday, conceived first son 4 months later-VERY BIG SUPRISE, was told wouldn't be able to have childern or would need reproductive doctor to help. Got pregnant again 2006 with second son easily, then was on/off birthcontrol again until October 2011, concieved 3rd son in October 2011(tried many times to get pregant again when 2nd child was close to 2yrs, hormone problems started again after 2nd child, along with thyroid enlargement. Spring of 2001 celexa 10 mgs-rx'd by pcp for complaints of chronic fatigue, irritability and weight gain, stayed on until June 2005, switched to Lexapro 20mgs for PPD, stayed on Lexapro 6-7 months, couldn't afford to see psyh dr. and Lexapro, saw PCP switched back to 20mgs celexa in 2007, remained on until November 2011, was c/t off due to 3rd pregnancy, baby had umbilical cord defect, seemed ok during pregnancy, except for crying jags here and there. Our miracle baby was born July 20th 2012, healthy except with reflux. One month later the anxiety,restlessness,horrible crying, insomnia and the deepest depression ever. That started the psyh drug nightmare-benzo's,antidepressants, sleeping pills, mood stablizers. Nothing help made me worse, doctors just kept changing the meds frequently. 4 mental health hospitalizations, rapid detox off benzos Jan 2013, horrible withdrawal and still suffering withdrawal symptoms NO ONE BELIEVES ME, I feel like ive been on one consistant drug withdrawal for the past 2 years January 2014 slow titrate up of lexapro to 20 mgs-horrible side effects!!, was just rapidly taper by current pysh off to pursade me to try an MAOI-no way!!! Was told should consider ECT Link to comment
UnfoldingSky Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Hi btdt, Glad to hear they think the scan is okay. I agree with you though about making sure, they have screwed up so much in the past I can't blame you for wanting another opinion. Also glad to hear of the probiotic success or tentative success anyway. You know, for all you know maybe you've hit on something. Many years ago I solved a "depression" I had with an alternative treatment, doctor didn't believe me in the least...when something works it's not like they drop everything to go check it out...Not if pharma isn't interested. I am not a medical professional and nothing I say is a medical opinion or meant to be medical advice, please seek a competent and trusted medical professional to consult for all medical decisions. Link to comment
UnfoldingSky Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Good question.. why does it? Do you ever think there are some people who have no issues...who dance through life on some magic carpet... singing songs and eating rainbows... or is that Disney... Sometimes I think it depends on how much power and money you have it is hard to say as I don't know any rich people. Some of them look like they are having a great time and eating up those rainbows. Kind of makes me want to kick them off the spinning rock... send them spinning to the milky way where they fit. lol, eating rainbows...Love the way you put it! I am not a medical professional and nothing I say is a medical opinion or meant to be medical advice, please seek a competent and trusted medical professional to consult for all medical decisions. Link to comment
btdt Posted March 5, 2015 Author Share Posted March 5, 2015 Btdt. Please let us know as soon as you know. Praying. Xo Generally speaking, no news is good news from a doctor. Agreed unless it is my doctor... here...lol it took 3 wks to find a broken rib... a month to get an xray read that my jaw was broken.. another few wks to find out it wasn't a mri and tests in 3 different cities... lol around I go.I sometimes thing health care here is complicated...too complicated but for all I know it is like this in the best of places if it is ... I have some ideas for doing it better. Thank you for you prayers Wildflower Interesting new name you have it will take some getting use to. peace I think you can get radiology to fax or email you the radiologist's report. If they insist in faxing and you don't have a fax you can use my online fax and i would send you whatever they send. Message me if necessary. My gosh darned cancer was misdiagnosed for two months by my gynecologist. But radiologists are a different breed. They generally know their stuff. Plus you can have a second radiologist read the scan...though I am not sure what it would cost in Canada, if it could even be done. You're a champ. Your concern for others and your quest for understanding are inspiring. The receptionist read me the report all is well and the mamogram office says the same... she has never heard of a mistake. I had a radiologist tell me my jaw was fractured within the last couple of months can't recall with month actually it was a bone spur... who the heck knows. If it keeps feeling weird I will follow up with an ultra sound at least there is not radiation with u.s. scans. I have heard plenty of mistakes and don't want to be the first one. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted March 5, 2015 Author Share Posted March 5, 2015 I cannot do all these apts I don't have the energy and I can't get them right... screwing up left right and center...not getting said what needs to be said as I forget... till I am home and generally missing the boat... like a fish flopping around on the bottom of the boat... I am getting nowhere because I can't communicate properly getting places knocks the crap out of me by the time I get there I have brain strain to the point of being useless... I am very irritable... out of my hiding spot I can't function. Very bad to find out.... I can't think on my feet and I can't keep brain energy flowing... it depletes. One would think I would write things down before I get there so I know what I am doing... but I don't in some odd way it feels like I am not really in my life but waiting for this to improve while I step outside myself as i cannot stand to stay in here any longer... not in the reality of it. I daze away my days and nights and pretend I am getting better... and I wait. In a way it is like my life is too troublesome and lifeless so I escape it in any way I can. Until thinking of this doctor failure issue I did not realize it... I am still not sure how true it is but it feels true. I don't see a future like I have in the past... I use to have vision now I don't. I am just waiting again just as I did before... in part I feel like I was sent back by that accident back to the waiting to heal stage and I am still here. Sad as ....you pick the swear word . Maybe it is time to start the probiotic again yet I had planned on waiting another wk. at least. I could be simply drained empty... and tired. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
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