jordidog Posted August 20, 2019 Author Share Posted August 20, 2019 9 hours ago, ChessieCat said: If it was me, I'd be starting to taper off the Paxil. There is a very strong possibility that you are experiencing serotonin toxicity. I've had mild serotonin toxicity from being on a high dose of Pristiq 100mg, no other serotonin drugs involved. Once my dose got lower I started feeling a lot better and realised what symptoms I had been getting that were caused by the serotonin. What I experienced: sweating even on a cold day, anxiety, agitation, trouble concentrating, confusion, having a 2 hour sleep probably 4 or 5 days each week, and still sleeping through the night, increased diastolic blood pressure, skipping/missed heart beats. I’m on 10paxil/10 Prozac. Just over one week now on both. I have anxiety and trouble concentrating. Early waking with anxiety. Was told it would take 2-4 weeks to stabilize 1994 began Paxil 20. Jan2018-began taper @ 2.5 mg every 6 wks. 10mg Paxil on May 12/2018 May 2019 - 9.75 mg Paxil; July 12/19 9.5 mg July 20/19 -9.75 mg Aug 12/19 10 mg Paxil 10 mg Prozac, “Prozac bridge” ;Vit D 1000iu 6 per day, magnesium bis-glycinate 200mgx3, Omega 3 600mg x3, gaba 600mgx2, Inositol powder Meditation, tapping, breathing and grounding, yoga, art, counselling Aug 21 dropped Prozac; increase Paxil to 15mg March 8/2021. Reinstated to 20 mg Paxil July 2021 added .75 mg Wellbutrin Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted August 20, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted August 20, 2019 On 8/20/2019 at 1:04 AM, Blandell said: I’m doing Prozac bridge since Aug 12 th, 2019 on 10mg Paxil and 10 mg Prozac I have to apologise. I misread the date and thought it said April 2019, not August. So that we have clear information please post the dates and doses of your bridge, stating what dose you were taking of Paxil before you added in the Prozac. Also post what your doctor's plan is. * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment
jordidog Posted August 20, 2019 Author Share Posted August 20, 2019 1 hour ago, ChessieCat said: I have to apologise. I misread the date and thought it said April 2019, not August. So that we have clear information please post the dates and doses of your bridge, stating what dose you were taking of Paxil before you added in the Prozac. Also post what your doctor's plan is. I posted my doses As soon as I’m settled then will taper Paxil Ill go super slow...starting at 1% is my thinking Any ideas? 1994 began Paxil 20. Jan2018-began taper @ 2.5 mg every 6 wks. 10mg Paxil on May 12/2018 May 2019 - 9.75 mg Paxil; July 12/19 9.5 mg July 20/19 -9.75 mg Aug 12/19 10 mg Paxil 10 mg Prozac, “Prozac bridge” ;Vit D 1000iu 6 per day, magnesium bis-glycinate 200mgx3, Omega 3 600mg x3, gaba 600mgx2, Inositol powder Meditation, tapping, breathing and grounding, yoga, art, counselling Aug 21 dropped Prozac; increase Paxil to 15mg March 8/2021. Reinstated to 20 mg Paxil July 2021 added .75 mg Wellbutrin Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted August 21, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted August 21, 2019 (edited) So you were taking 9.5mg (or 10mg) Paxil and added Prozac and have been taking that since 12 August which is about 8 or 9 days. The idea of the bridge is to change over from one drug to another over a few weeks. It only takes about 1 month for the brain to adapt to getting a drug. Did you read the-prozac-switch-or-bridging-with-prozac? On 11/18/2011 at 6:23 AM, Altostrata said: Do not stay on the combination of the first antidepressant and Prozac for more than 2 weeks, or you run the risk of your nervous system accommodating to the combination and having difficulty tapering off both antidepressants. Q: What is your doctor's plan? Did he say to increase the Prozac when you reduce the Paxil? Edited August 21, 2019 by ChessieCat * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment
jordidog Posted August 21, 2019 Author Share Posted August 21, 2019 20 minutes ago, ChessieCat said: So you were taking 9.5mg (or 10mg) Paxil and added Prozac and have been taking that since 12 August which is about 8 or 9 days. The idea of the bridge is to change over from one drug to another over a few weeks. It only takes about 1 month for the brain to adapt to getting a drug. Did you read the-prozac-switch-or-bridging-with-prozac? Q: What is your doctor's plan? Did you say to increase the Prozac when you reduce the Paxil? I didn’t say to increase Prozac as I taper Paxil yes I’ve read the Prozac switch article 1994 began Paxil 20. Jan2018-began taper @ 2.5 mg every 6 wks. 10mg Paxil on May 12/2018 May 2019 - 9.75 mg Paxil; July 12/19 9.5 mg July 20/19 -9.75 mg Aug 12/19 10 mg Paxil 10 mg Prozac, “Prozac bridge” ;Vit D 1000iu 6 per day, magnesium bis-glycinate 200mgx3, Omega 3 600mg x3, gaba 600mgx2, Inositol powder Meditation, tapping, breathing and grounding, yoga, art, counselling Aug 21 dropped Prozac; increase Paxil to 15mg March 8/2021. Reinstated to 20 mg Paxil July 2021 added .75 mg Wellbutrin Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted August 21, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted August 21, 2019 (edited) 33 minutes ago, ChessieCat said: Q: What is your doctor's plan? Did he say to increase the Prozac when you reduce the Paxil? You still haven't answer my question. BTW I've corrected that to: Did he say Edited August 21, 2019 by ChessieCat * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted August 22, 2019 Administrator Share Posted August 22, 2019 On 8/20/2019 at 7:59 AM, Blandell said: I’m on 10paxil/10 Prozac. Just over one week now on both. I have anxiety and trouble concentrating. Early waking with anxiety. Was told it would take 2-4 weeks to stabilize On 8/20/2019 at 4:49 PM, Blandell said: I posted my doses As soon as I’m settled then will taper Paxil Ill go super slow...starting at 1% is my thinking Any ideas? Blandell, as Chessie said, the idea of the switch is to slide over from one drug to the other within a short amount of time. It does not require as gradual a taper off the first drug as the second drug (Prozac) is presumed to substitute for it. When you added Prozac to Paxil, you increased your serotonergic stimulation -- but because the drugs inhibit each others' metabolism, it's possible you more than doubled this effect. Did you just go off Prozac and increase Paxil? Why did you do that? Didn't you want to go on Prozac instead? This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
jordidog Posted August 22, 2019 Author Share Posted August 22, 2019 3 hours ago, Altostrata said: Blandell, as Chessie said, the idea of the switch is to slide over from one drug to the other within a short amount of time. It does not require as gradual a taper off the first drug as the second drug (Prozac) is presumed to substitute for it. When you added Prozac to Paxil, you increased your serotonergic stimulation -- but because the drugs inhibit each others' metabolism, it's possible you more than doubled this effect. Did you just go off Prozac and increase Paxil? Why did you do that? Didn't you want to go on Prozac instead? I also coping with our only child moving out soon...he announced it the day I had tapered down to 9.5 mg. The life event was an extremely emotional trigger for me. I decided to drop Prozac and increase Paxil to 15mg, in order to stabilize. I’m also taking a small amount of clonazepam each day to help me during this transition. I will not attempt anything until I’m settled 1994 began Paxil 20. Jan2018-began taper @ 2.5 mg every 6 wks. 10mg Paxil on May 12/2018 May 2019 - 9.75 mg Paxil; July 12/19 9.5 mg July 20/19 -9.75 mg Aug 12/19 10 mg Paxil 10 mg Prozac, “Prozac bridge” ;Vit D 1000iu 6 per day, magnesium bis-glycinate 200mgx3, Omega 3 600mg x3, gaba 600mgx2, Inositol powder Meditation, tapping, breathing and grounding, yoga, art, counselling Aug 21 dropped Prozac; increase Paxil to 15mg March 8/2021. Reinstated to 20 mg Paxil July 2021 added .75 mg Wellbutrin Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted August 22, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted August 22, 2019 9 minutes ago, Blandell said: I’m also taking a small amount of clonazepam each day to help me during this transition. It only takes about 2 weeks to become dependent on a benzo. * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment
jordidog Posted August 22, 2019 Author Share Posted August 22, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, ChessieCat said: It only takes about 2 weeks to become dependent on a benzo. I’m paying attention and am working with a good dr Edited August 22, 2019 by ChessieCat removed duplicate quotes 1994 began Paxil 20. Jan2018-began taper @ 2.5 mg every 6 wks. 10mg Paxil on May 12/2018 May 2019 - 9.75 mg Paxil; July 12/19 9.5 mg July 20/19 -9.75 mg Aug 12/19 10 mg Paxil 10 mg Prozac, “Prozac bridge” ;Vit D 1000iu 6 per day, magnesium bis-glycinate 200mgx3, Omega 3 600mg x3, gaba 600mgx2, Inositol powder Meditation, tapping, breathing and grounding, yoga, art, counselling Aug 21 dropped Prozac; increase Paxil to 15mg March 8/2021. Reinstated to 20 mg Paxil July 2021 added .75 mg Wellbutrin Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted August 22, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted August 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Blandell said: am working with a good dr You haven't answered my question: On 8/21/2019 at 10:01 AM, ChessieCat said: Q: What is your doctor's plan? * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment
jordidog Posted August 22, 2019 Author Share Posted August 22, 2019 (edited) 44 minutes ago, ChessieCat said: You haven't answered my question: As soon as I feel stable from updose of Paxil then will start lowering clonazepam dose i can take 2 -5mg tablets per day right now Edited August 22, 2019 by ChessieCat removed duplicate quote 1994 began Paxil 20. Jan2018-began taper @ 2.5 mg every 6 wks. 10mg Paxil on May 12/2018 May 2019 - 9.75 mg Paxil; July 12/19 9.5 mg July 20/19 -9.75 mg Aug 12/19 10 mg Paxil 10 mg Prozac, “Prozac bridge” ;Vit D 1000iu 6 per day, magnesium bis-glycinate 200mgx3, Omega 3 600mg x3, gaba 600mgx2, Inositol powder Meditation, tapping, breathing and grounding, yoga, art, counselling Aug 21 dropped Prozac; increase Paxil to 15mg March 8/2021. Reinstated to 20 mg Paxil July 2021 added .75 mg Wellbutrin Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted August 22, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted August 22, 2019 What I wanted to know is what was the doctor's plan for the Prozac bridge. That is, what dose of each drug were you supposed to take for how long as you did the cross taper. * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment
jordidog Posted August 23, 2019 Author Share Posted August 23, 2019 2 hours ago, ChessieCat said: What I wanted to know is what was the doctor's plan for the Prozac bridge. That is, what dose of each drug were you supposed to take for how long as you did the cross taper. 2 hours ago, ChessieCat said: What I wanted to know is what was the doctor's plan for the Prozac bridge. That is, what dose of each drug were you supposed to take for how long as you did the cross taper. I can’t answer that... not a clear idea of that. I am no longer taking Prozac. The dr that started me on the bridge went away for one month immediately and I was directed to locum dr. It felt too disjointed and scary to me so in consultation with another locum, who I liked and saw 2x this week, we decided not right time for me to do bridge. Too much going on in my life that is destabilizing for me 1994 began Paxil 20. Jan2018-began taper @ 2.5 mg every 6 wks. 10mg Paxil on May 12/2018 May 2019 - 9.75 mg Paxil; July 12/19 9.5 mg July 20/19 -9.75 mg Aug 12/19 10 mg Paxil 10 mg Prozac, “Prozac bridge” ;Vit D 1000iu 6 per day, magnesium bis-glycinate 200mgx3, Omega 3 600mg x3, gaba 600mgx2, Inositol powder Meditation, tapping, breathing and grounding, yoga, art, counselling Aug 21 dropped Prozac; increase Paxil to 15mg March 8/2021. Reinstated to 20 mg Paxil July 2021 added .75 mg Wellbutrin Link to comment
jordidog Posted August 23, 2019 Author Share Posted August 23, 2019 16 hours ago, ChessieCat said: What I wanted to know is what was the doctor's plan for the Prozac bridge. That is, what dose of each drug were you supposed to take for how long as you did the cross taper. Well there wasn’t much of a plan...I was to take 10 mg of each for 4 weeks while dr was away. Because thst dr was away I was seeing clinic docs, one of whom helped me imo by stopping Prozac, upping Paxil, and starting me on clonazepam 1994 began Paxil 20. Jan2018-began taper @ 2.5 mg every 6 wks. 10mg Paxil on May 12/2018 May 2019 - 9.75 mg Paxil; July 12/19 9.5 mg July 20/19 -9.75 mg Aug 12/19 10 mg Paxil 10 mg Prozac, “Prozac bridge” ;Vit D 1000iu 6 per day, magnesium bis-glycinate 200mgx3, Omega 3 600mg x3, gaba 600mgx2, Inositol powder Meditation, tapping, breathing and grounding, yoga, art, counselling Aug 21 dropped Prozac; increase Paxil to 15mg March 8/2021. Reinstated to 20 mg Paxil July 2021 added .75 mg Wellbutrin Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted August 23, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted August 23, 2019 7 hours ago, jordidog said: Well there wasn’t much of a plan...I was to take 10 mg of each for 4 weeks while dr was away. Definitely not much of a plan. They had no idea of how to do a Prozac bridge. I wouldn't be seeing that doctor again about anything psychiatric drug related. 7 hours ago, jordidog said: Because thst dr was away I was seeing clinic docs, one of whom helped me imo by stopping Prozac, upping Paxil, and starting me on clonazepam Well it seems like you are happy with the new doctor's plan. * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment
jordidog Posted August 23, 2019 Author Share Posted August 23, 2019 40 minutes ago, ChessieCat said: Definitely not much of a plan. They had no idea of how to do a Prozac bridge. I wouldn't be seeing that doctor again about anything psychiatric drug related. Well it seems like you are happy with the new doctor's plan. Yes I prefer her. I was there 3x this week in lots of distress I’m doing my best 1994 began Paxil 20. Jan2018-began taper @ 2.5 mg every 6 wks. 10mg Paxil on May 12/2018 May 2019 - 9.75 mg Paxil; July 12/19 9.5 mg July 20/19 -9.75 mg Aug 12/19 10 mg Paxil 10 mg Prozac, “Prozac bridge” ;Vit D 1000iu 6 per day, magnesium bis-glycinate 200mgx3, Omega 3 600mg x3, gaba 600mgx2, Inositol powder Meditation, tapping, breathing and grounding, yoga, art, counselling Aug 21 dropped Prozac; increase Paxil to 15mg March 8/2021. Reinstated to 20 mg Paxil July 2021 added .75 mg Wellbutrin Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted August 25, 2019 Administrator Share Posted August 25, 2019 jordidog, what's going on? When do you take each of your drugs, at what dosages, what times of day? What is your symptom pattern? What is the clonazepam supposed to do for you? This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
jordidog Posted August 25, 2019 Author Share Posted August 25, 2019 7 hours ago, Altostrata said: jordidog, what's going on? When do you take each of your drugs, at what dosages, what times of day? What is your symptom pattern? What is the clonazepam supposed to do for you? I’m taking 15 mg Paxil each morning Prozac is gone. Stopped it 4 days ago. Clonazepam .5 mg is for the extreme anxiety/distress. I take 1/2. zoplicone 5 mg is for sleep yesterday I took 1 of 1/2 a clonazepam. Mornings have been worst. Anxiety sadness I use DARE resource and tap and breathe. I need to cry a lot which helps to release the sadness that builds up. Im sad about life transition with our only son moving out. Has always lived here 1994 began Paxil 20. Jan2018-began taper @ 2.5 mg every 6 wks. 10mg Paxil on May 12/2018 May 2019 - 9.75 mg Paxil; July 12/19 9.5 mg July 20/19 -9.75 mg Aug 12/19 10 mg Paxil 10 mg Prozac, “Prozac bridge” ;Vit D 1000iu 6 per day, magnesium bis-glycinate 200mgx3, Omega 3 600mg x3, gaba 600mgx2, Inositol powder Meditation, tapping, breathing and grounding, yoga, art, counselling Aug 21 dropped Prozac; increase Paxil to 15mg March 8/2021. Reinstated to 20 mg Paxil July 2021 added .75 mg Wellbutrin Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted August 25, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted August 25, 2019 Please include these in your drug signature: Clonazepam and zoplicone * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted August 25, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted August 25, 2019 6 hours ago, jordidog said: yesterday I took 1 of 1/2 a clonazepam. When posting about your doses, please use the specific quantity of the dose. Thank you. * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment
jordidog Posted August 25, 2019 Author Share Posted August 25, 2019 14 minutes ago, ChessieCat said: When posting about your doses, please use the specific quantity of the dose. Thank you. I took 1/2 of a .5 mg tablet of clonazepam 1994 began Paxil 20. Jan2018-began taper @ 2.5 mg every 6 wks. 10mg Paxil on May 12/2018 May 2019 - 9.75 mg Paxil; July 12/19 9.5 mg July 20/19 -9.75 mg Aug 12/19 10 mg Paxil 10 mg Prozac, “Prozac bridge” ;Vit D 1000iu 6 per day, magnesium bis-glycinate 200mgx3, Omega 3 600mg x3, gaba 600mgx2, Inositol powder Meditation, tapping, breathing and grounding, yoga, art, counselling Aug 21 dropped Prozac; increase Paxil to 15mg March 8/2021. Reinstated to 20 mg Paxil July 2021 added .75 mg Wellbutrin Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted August 26, 2019 Administrator Share Posted August 26, 2019 6 hours ago, jordidog said: I took 1/2 of a .5 mg tablet of clonazepam That would be .25mg clonazepam. In the future, please refer to the dosage you're taking, rather than the number of tablets. "Depression" can be a side effect of benzodiazepines such as clonazepam. Not sure what 's going on. Making drug changes while going through something that's upsetting is not a good idea. However, if you continue to take clonazepam and zopiclone regularly, you may become at least physiologically dependent on them. My guess is when you were taking Paxil and Prozac, both SSRIs, together, you were taking too much SSRI for your system. Reducing Paxil, which was the crossover plan, might have fixed this, but your doctor failed to monitor your drug changes or follow through with the cross-over process. Not sure what happened when you dropped Prozac and increased Paxil, possibly more excessive SSRI. Could be that too much Paxil is causing your sleeplessness. However, rather than address what might be an adverse reaction to Paxil, your doctor has prescribed clonazepam and zopiclone. As this is as site for going off drugs and you're following your doctor's advice to increase drugs, not sure how we can help you. Please discuss further drug side effects and tapering concerns with your doctor and contact us again when you have decided to decrease your drugs. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted August 26, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted August 26, 2019 Clonazepam .5 mg -up to 3 -1/2 tablets per day Zoplicone 5 mg. 1 tab at bedtime as needed Please include the dates that you started these drugs. * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment
jordidog Posted October 25, 2019 Author Share Posted October 25, 2019 I was on 10 mgs Paxil for close to a year then dropped to 9.75 for 8 weeks. Then dropped to 9.5 mgs for 2 weeks, back to 10mgs for 10 days (attempted Prozac bridge with 10 mg Prozac added on...dr advice🙁) then up to 15 mgs Paxil and dropped Prozac completely. It’s been 8 weeks since I went up to 15mg. I’m having anxiety, sadness, crying, sleep not so good. I’m wondering if this is related to the updose to 15mgs. I’m struggling a lot. I’m grateful for this forum cuz medical advice has hurt me. 1994 began Paxil 20. Jan2018-began taper @ 2.5 mg every 6 wks. 10mg Paxil on May 12/2018 May 2019 - 9.75 mg Paxil; July 12/19 9.5 mg July 20/19 -9.75 mg Aug 12/19 10 mg Paxil 10 mg Prozac, “Prozac bridge” ;Vit D 1000iu 6 per day, magnesium bis-glycinate 200mgx3, Omega 3 600mg x3, gaba 600mgx2, Inositol powder Meditation, tapping, breathing and grounding, yoga, art, counselling Aug 21 dropped Prozac; increase Paxil to 15mg March 8/2021. Reinstated to 20 mg Paxil July 2021 added .75 mg Wellbutrin Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus manymoretodays Posted October 26, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted October 26, 2019 Hi @jordidog 20 hours ago, jordidog said: It’s been 8 weeks since I went up to 15mg. I’m having anxiety, sadness, crying, sleep not so good. I found your post as a new introduction and moved it back with your pre-existing introduction. What are your present medications? I'm seeing that zopiclone and clonazepam may have been added to your Paxil in August, here on your introduction. Can you post here what you are presently taking and at what time of day? Best, for clarity, to just put the time on the left, and then each drug by name and then the dose that you take. Do that right here for now. That will be helpful for us, to try and help you. Love, peace, healing, and growth, manymoretodays(mmt) Late 2023- gone to emeritus status, inactive, don't @ me, I can check who I've posted on, and I'm not really here like I used to be......thanks. Started with psycho meds/psychiatric care circa 1988. In retrospect, and on contemplation, situational overwhelm. Rounding up to 30 years of medications(30 medication trials, poly-pharmacy maximum was 3 at one time). 5/28/2015-off Adderal salts 2.5mg. (I had been on that since hospital 10/2014) 12/2015---just holding, holding, holding, with trileptal/oxcarb at 75 mg. 1/2 tab at hs. My last psycho med ever! Tapered @ 10% every 4 weeks, sometimes 2 weeks to 2016 Dec 16, medication free!! Longer signature post here, with current supplements. Herb and alcohol free since 5/15/2016. And.....I quit smoking 11/2021. Lapsed. Redo of quit smoking 9/28/2022, and again finally 5/25/24. Can you say Hallelujah?(took me long enough)💜 None of my posts are intended as medical advice. Please discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical provider. My success story: Blue skies ahead, clear sailing Link to comment
jordidog Posted October 26, 2019 Author Share Posted October 26, 2019 32 minutes ago, manymoretodays said: Hi @jordidog I found your post as a new introduction and moved it back with your pre-existing introduction. What are your present medications? I'm seeing that zopiclone and clonazepam may have been added to your Paxil in August, here on your introduction. Can you post here what you are presently taking and at what time of day? Best, for clarity, to just put the time on the left, and then each drug by name and then the dose that you take. Do that right here for now. That will be helpful for us, to try and help you. Love, peace, healing, and growth, manymoretodays(mmt) Morning: 15 mg Paxil (about 9-10 am) morning: 1/2 .25 mg Ativan 1-2x week Bedtime: 3.75 mg zoplicone (1-2x week) or UDREAM for sleep or 1 antihistamine for sleep thanks in advance for your help. I have trouble remembering how to post an issue or question. I find the site hard to use that way 1994 began Paxil 20. Jan2018-began taper @ 2.5 mg every 6 wks. 10mg Paxil on May 12/2018 May 2019 - 9.75 mg Paxil; July 12/19 9.5 mg July 20/19 -9.75 mg Aug 12/19 10 mg Paxil 10 mg Prozac, “Prozac bridge” ;Vit D 1000iu 6 per day, magnesium bis-glycinate 200mgx3, Omega 3 600mg x3, gaba 600mgx2, Inositol powder Meditation, tapping, breathing and grounding, yoga, art, counselling Aug 21 dropped Prozac; increase Paxil to 15mg March 8/2021. Reinstated to 20 mg Paxil July 2021 added .75 mg Wellbutrin Link to comment
jordidog Posted February 21, 2021 Author Share Posted February 21, 2021 (edited) I’ve been holding at 15 mg Paxil for 18 months. I plan to eventually begin tapering again. I’m thinking of starting Wellbutrin in order to boost my mood right now and then to help me as I taper off of Paxil. I’m thinking the Paxil is currently not doing anything for me and I’ve been struggling emotionally Edited March 13, 2021 by manymoretodays merged Introductions to first one started 1994 began Paxil 20. Jan2018-began taper @ 2.5 mg every 6 wks. 10mg Paxil on May 12/2018 May 2019 - 9.75 mg Paxil; July 12/19 9.5 mg July 20/19 -9.75 mg Aug 12/19 10 mg Paxil 10 mg Prozac, “Prozac bridge” ;Vit D 1000iu 6 per day, magnesium bis-glycinate 200mgx3, Omega 3 600mg x3, gaba 600mgx2, Inositol powder Meditation, tapping, breathing and grounding, yoga, art, counselling Aug 21 dropped Prozac; increase Paxil to 15mg March 8/2021. Reinstated to 20 mg Paxil July 2021 added .75 mg Wellbutrin Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Gridley Posted February 21, 2021 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted February 21, 2021 Welcome to SA, jordidog. We definitely don't recommend starting a new drug either to deal with withdrawal from a previous drug or to deal with current symptoms. There is no way to know how Wellbutrin will affect you. It could make things worse. Gridley Introduction Lexapro 20 mg since 2004. Begin Brassmonkey Slide Taper Jan. 2017. End 2017 year 1 of taper at 9.25mg End 2018 year 2 of taper at 4.1mg End 2019 year 3 of taper at 1.0mg Oct. 30, 2020 Jump to zero from 0.025mg. Current dose: 0.000mg 3 year, 10 month taper is 100% complete. Ativan 1 mg to 1.875mg 1986-2020, two CT's and reinstatements Nov. 2020, 7-week Ativan-Valium crossover to 18.75mg Valium Feb. 2021, begin 10%/4 week taper of 18.75mg Valium End 2021 year 1 of Valium taper at 6mg End 2022 year 2 of Valium taper at 2.75mg End 2023 year 3 of Valium taper at 1mg Jan. 24, 2024: Hold at 1mg and shift to Imipramine taper. Taper is 95% complete. Imipramine 75 mg daily since 1986. Jan.-Sept. 2016 tapered to 14.4mg March 22, 2022: Begin 10%/4 week taper Aug. 5, 2022: hold at 9.5mg and shift to Valium taper Jan. 24, 2024: Resume Imipramine taper. Current dose as of Aug 26: 4.0mg Taper is 95% complete. Supplements: multiple, quercetin, omega-3, vitamins C, E and D3, magnesium glycinate, probiotic, zinc, melatonin .3mg, iron, serrapeptase, nattokinase, L-Glutamine, milk thistle, choline I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice. It is information based on my own experience as well as that of other members who have survived these drugs. Link to comment
Moderator Go2zero Posted February 21, 2021 Moderator Share Posted February 21, 2021 Taking Wellbutrin next to an SSRI can make withdrawal of the SSRI much more difficult! This because Wellbutrin very often influences the metabolism of a SSRI. 1993 Anafranil (Clomipramine) for a few months. Later in 1993 Paxil for a few months 1993- 2006 No medication 2006 Effexor, Cymbalta, some Benzo’s. All for short periods. Later in 2006 Lexapro (escitalopram) 10 mg and shortly after Wellbutrin XR 150mg, against side effects Lexapro Since 2006 until end of 2015: Several times on and off Lexapro and Wellbutrin and several slight dosage changes. Mostly taken dosages: 5mg Lexapro and 150mg Wellbutrin 2016 Dosage change Lexapro from 5mg to 2,5 mg. Wellbutrin stayed om 150mg November 2016 – April 2017 Down from 2,5mg to 0,6mg Lexapro (in steps) without much problems. Wellbutrin down from 150mg to 66mg. Also without much problems. April 2017 – March 2019 Lexapro 0,6 mg April 2017 - August 2018 Wellbutrin in small steps down from 66mg in to 37,5 mg . Quite heavy WD after each step. March 2019 – May 2019 Lexapro down from 0,6 to 0,3mg then Prozac to 0,6 mg switch because severe discontinuation effects (may also have been from Wellbutrin..) Wellbutrin down from 37,5mg to 35,3mg October 2019 Seroquel 12,5 mg for 4 weeks because of extreme sleeping problems, then weaning off in 2 weeks Prozac up dosage to 1,2 mg March 2020 Wellbutrin in 2 steps down from 35,3mg to 33,3mg Extreme withdrawal effects during 8 months. Stopped tapering Wellbutrin until total off Prozac. February 2020 – November 2020 Prozac down in steps from 1,2mg to 0,57mg. Jan 2021 : Prozac down to: 0,55> 0,53>0,51mg, Feb 0,47mg , Mar 0,42mg, Apr 0,37, longer hold because of WD symptoms July 0,36 and hold again, Sept 19 0,35, Sept 26 0,34mg, Oct 3 0,33mg Long hold of 172 days until March 2022 January 20, 2022: Wellbutrin from 33,3 to 32,4mg March 22, 2022 Prozac down from 0,33mg to: 0,30mg, Apr 0,29, May 0,28, 0,27, June 0,26, 0,25, July 0,24, 0,23, 0,22, 0,21, Aug 0,20, 0,19 Sep 0,18, Oct 0,17. 0,16, 0,15, Nov 0,14 Jan 2023 0,13, 0,12, 0,11 Feb 0,10, 0,09 Mar 0,08 , June 0,07 , July 0,06, 0,05, Aug 0,04, 0,03, Sept 0,026, 0,024 Nov 0,022, 0,019, 0,016, 0,013 Dec 0,012, 0,011, 0,010, 0,009 Jan 2024 0,008, 0,007, 0,006, 0,005, 0,004, 0,003, 0,002, 0,001, Feb 0,0007. 0,0005, 0,0003, 0,0001, Feb 23, 2024: 0,00000 Wellbutrin resume tapering: Apr 2024 31,6mg, 30,8, 30,0 , May 29,1, 28,2, July 23,7, Aug 22,6, 21,4 Supplements: Fish Oil (3000mg), Magnesium 100 mg, 2 drops of Lavender Oil, only when feeling extreme anxiety. 50mg of L-Theanine only when severe discontinuation effects caused by Wellbutrin Please note this is NOT a medical advice. Discuss all your medical issues with a doctor who understands psychical drugs and really knows how to withdraw from them. I wish that you will find one. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted February 21, 2021 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted February 21, 2021 @jordidog Here is your Introduction topic. Only 1 Introduction topic per member which keeps your history in one place and is the best place to ask questions about your own situation and where you can journal your progress. jordidog-paxil * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment
jordidog Posted February 21, 2021 Author Share Posted February 21, 2021 1 hour ago, ChessieCat said: @jordidog Here is your Introduction topic. Only 1 Introduction topic per member which keeps your history in one place and is the best place to ask questions about your own situation and where you can journal your progress. jordidog-paxil I am confused so easily when using this site. I don’t understand the above response Is it possible for you to elaborate ? I get the we impression that I should’ve put my question in a different place. 1994 began Paxil 20. Jan2018-began taper @ 2.5 mg every 6 wks. 10mg Paxil on May 12/2018 May 2019 - 9.75 mg Paxil; July 12/19 9.5 mg July 20/19 -9.75 mg Aug 12/19 10 mg Paxil 10 mg Prozac, “Prozac bridge” ;Vit D 1000iu 6 per day, magnesium bis-glycinate 200mgx3, Omega 3 600mg x3, gaba 600mgx2, Inositol powder Meditation, tapping, breathing and grounding, yoga, art, counselling Aug 21 dropped Prozac; increase Paxil to 15mg March 8/2021. Reinstated to 20 mg Paxil July 2021 added .75 mg Wellbutrin Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Gridley Posted February 21, 2021 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted February 21, 2021 7 minutes ago, jordidog said: s it possible for you to elaborate ? Basically, this is where all your posts should go. If you're responding to another member, post in their thread, but anything about your situation goes here. Gridley Introduction Lexapro 20 mg since 2004. Begin Brassmonkey Slide Taper Jan. 2017. End 2017 year 1 of taper at 9.25mg End 2018 year 2 of taper at 4.1mg End 2019 year 3 of taper at 1.0mg Oct. 30, 2020 Jump to zero from 0.025mg. Current dose: 0.000mg 3 year, 10 month taper is 100% complete. Ativan 1 mg to 1.875mg 1986-2020, two CT's and reinstatements Nov. 2020, 7-week Ativan-Valium crossover to 18.75mg Valium Feb. 2021, begin 10%/4 week taper of 18.75mg Valium End 2021 year 1 of Valium taper at 6mg End 2022 year 2 of Valium taper at 2.75mg End 2023 year 3 of Valium taper at 1mg Jan. 24, 2024: Hold at 1mg and shift to Imipramine taper. Taper is 95% complete. Imipramine 75 mg daily since 1986. Jan.-Sept. 2016 tapered to 14.4mg March 22, 2022: Begin 10%/4 week taper Aug. 5, 2022: hold at 9.5mg and shift to Valium taper Jan. 24, 2024: Resume Imipramine taper. Current dose as of Aug 26: 4.0mg Taper is 95% complete. Supplements: multiple, quercetin, omega-3, vitamins C, E and D3, magnesium glycinate, probiotic, zinc, melatonin .3mg, iron, serrapeptase, nattokinase, L-Glutamine, milk thistle, choline I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice. It is information based on my own experience as well as that of other members who have survived these drugs. Link to comment
jordidog Posted February 21, 2021 Author Share Posted February 21, 2021 16 minutes ago, Gridley said: Basically, this is where all your posts should go. If you're responding to another member, post in their thread, but anything about your situation goes here. Where should all my posts go? 1994 began Paxil 20. Jan2018-began taper @ 2.5 mg every 6 wks. 10mg Paxil on May 12/2018 May 2019 - 9.75 mg Paxil; July 12/19 9.5 mg July 20/19 -9.75 mg Aug 12/19 10 mg Paxil 10 mg Prozac, “Prozac bridge” ;Vit D 1000iu 6 per day, magnesium bis-glycinate 200mgx3, Omega 3 600mg x3, gaba 600mgx2, Inositol powder Meditation, tapping, breathing and grounding, yoga, art, counselling Aug 21 dropped Prozac; increase Paxil to 15mg March 8/2021. Reinstated to 20 mg Paxil July 2021 added .75 mg Wellbutrin Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Gridley Posted February 21, 2021 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted February 21, 2021 11 minutes ago, jordidog said: Where should all my posts go? Right here. If you can't find it, go up to the top right of any page on this site and you'll see a rectangle with "search" on it. Type your screen name, jordidog, and click on it. That will take you here where you can post. Gridley Introduction Lexapro 20 mg since 2004. Begin Brassmonkey Slide Taper Jan. 2017. End 2017 year 1 of taper at 9.25mg End 2018 year 2 of taper at 4.1mg End 2019 year 3 of taper at 1.0mg Oct. 30, 2020 Jump to zero from 0.025mg. Current dose: 0.000mg 3 year, 10 month taper is 100% complete. Ativan 1 mg to 1.875mg 1986-2020, two CT's and reinstatements Nov. 2020, 7-week Ativan-Valium crossover to 18.75mg Valium Feb. 2021, begin 10%/4 week taper of 18.75mg Valium End 2021 year 1 of Valium taper at 6mg End 2022 year 2 of Valium taper at 2.75mg End 2023 year 3 of Valium taper at 1mg Jan. 24, 2024: Hold at 1mg and shift to Imipramine taper. Taper is 95% complete. Imipramine 75 mg daily since 1986. Jan.-Sept. 2016 tapered to 14.4mg March 22, 2022: Begin 10%/4 week taper Aug. 5, 2022: hold at 9.5mg and shift to Valium taper Jan. 24, 2024: Resume Imipramine taper. Current dose as of Aug 26: 4.0mg Taper is 95% complete. Supplements: multiple, quercetin, omega-3, vitamins C, E and D3, magnesium glycinate, probiotic, zinc, melatonin .3mg, iron, serrapeptase, nattokinase, L-Glutamine, milk thistle, choline I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice. It is information based on my own experience as well as that of other members who have survived these drugs. Link to comment
jordidog Posted March 12, 2021 Author Share Posted March 12, 2021 I’ve just reinstated from 15 mg up to 20 mg after holding for 18 months. I’ve been struggling with anxiety and depression a lot and hoping to get relief. I would like to find a resource to help me with my future tapering and possible change to a different ad as I want off of Paxil. Any ideas? 1994 began Paxil 20. Jan2018-began taper @ 2.5 mg every 6 wks. 10mg Paxil on May 12/2018 May 2019 - 9.75 mg Paxil; July 12/19 9.5 mg July 20/19 -9.75 mg Aug 12/19 10 mg Paxil 10 mg Prozac, “Prozac bridge” ;Vit D 1000iu 6 per day, magnesium bis-glycinate 200mgx3, Omega 3 600mg x3, gaba 600mgx2, Inositol powder Meditation, tapping, breathing and grounding, yoga, art, counselling Aug 21 dropped Prozac; increase Paxil to 15mg March 8/2021. Reinstated to 20 mg Paxil July 2021 added .75 mg Wellbutrin Link to comment
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