steqh: Human being as a whole unity, pain and healing

[steqh]

Hi! 

In advance, sorry for my English, I am Swiss/french. 

I am here to share a very nice aproach about the pain and the way we can solve it. I am only 32 years old but I had to learn to solve problems by myself.  I have sleep's problems for some years (arround eight) and now I am very tired of my life. Less motivation/energy, less concentration, no real social life.

These last 3 years, I leran about psychology by my own. I did some master courses at university and I was not bad for someone without a bachelor in psychology. But I learnt much more with a specialist, through books and then applying his approach. To make it short and easy to understand - and I know how much it is problematic in our society - there are lots of misconception about us, human being, the root of the pain and the ways to solve it. It is what is called "healing". My question: I am sure we can agree about the fact that we are 1 species: the human being. So, why so many ways to solve the same thing: the pain? Maybe because lots of specialists don't understand the human being... Of course, we are "complicated". Another evidence: our society, and our health system is too much corrupted (I know a few about USA, it's almost the same situation in Switzerland: thanks to big pharma).

About the pain, the theoritical key is easy: feel the pain to be free of it. But few people know the method (the "how") because of... many stuffs. The practice is not necessarily easy because sometimes we have too much pain. And this pain is litterlay destroying us.

Medication can help, but the pain comes back when we stop it if this pain is not solved. You can watch a good guy here : 

 
Hopefully, some specialists like Peter Breggin search the truth and some ways to heal people. I know this will still take decades to unify theories about human being and the pain, and I know the only thing I can do is to share good stuffs with you, human being. With my short life and the truth I can see through it, I share 2 files here.

Primal healing - a book from Arthur Janov (USA) - is about the root of the pain, our mecanism to fight it (if too much pain: we die), how it works inside us and the way we can heal. His approach is called "primal therapy" and the testimonies of patients are just the proof we need to see that it works. Unfortunately, this therapy didn't receive support from APA (american psychiatric association). Why? I think because: it works. Then, less profit, and when prople become themselves, it's harder to manipulate them! Our "covid" time is just a good proof for me.

Emotional retroaction is a quite simple practical method to deal with our emotions. You can try and see what happen. No need about theories.

 

Many other things could be say but I think it is useless. We have our own free will, I can just show a nice "door" - I think - about a very good explanation and solution about the pain. I don't say it is easy, I say it is possible.

 

I hope it can help.

 

steqh

Primal Healing - Janov Arthur.docx Emotional Retroaction.pdf

Edited July 2, 2021 by manymoretodays
moved to intros, from SS, name to title

[manymoretodays]

Hi steqh,

Hey I moved you here, so you can have your own Introduction page.

And that's some good stuff that you are sharing.  Nice, if we could head people away from starting the drugs in the first place. 

 

Would you do a signature for us too, something really helpful.  It's a bit different from the profile information which you gave us initially, confidentially, on registration.

This link below will tell you what we like to see, and how to do it.  It's the section that you'll see below others posts.  Best done from a PC.

How to list drug history in signature

 

We're a site for tapering and harm reduction approaches to lowering or coming off prescribed medications.  You are welcome here though.  And when I have some time, perhaps I can get some of your shared information, above, into our symptoms and self care forum too.  We are familiar with Dr. Peter Breggin, yet all members may not have viewed that video clip, so thank you.

 

Take a look around.  Let us know if you'd like help tapering, or are dealing with WD(withdrawal), or just wanting to do a one time post here.

 

Welcome.

Love, peace, healing, and growth,

moderator manymoretodays(mmt)

[steqh]

Hi manymoretodays!

Thank you for your answer and no problem to move my Introduction page here. 

Here is my list of "drugs" (I am 32 years old):

 

- Summer 2017: start of daily THC (better sleep, no problem in 2017); a few of alcohol but less "nice" than THC for me. (before: only recreational use of THC, I never took "hard drugs")

- 2018: daily THC (still ok for my concentration and motivation, but my sleep's problems were still there).

- 2019: daily THC until summer, then complete stop and a few of quetiapine (an antipsychotic) (50 mg then 25 mg) to sleep. Less than 2 months with quetiapine. Easy to end THC and make this transition. Alcohol was easy to stop - I didn't want to dring it. I felt a nice change in myself.

- 2020: April to July: back to THC, then stop. Still have problems to sleep.

- 2021: Jan-Fev: CBD; March to May: THC. June and now: CBD and a few of quetiapine. 

 

I continue as I think to explain a little bit better about my experiences and the links between drugs and pain.

How I feel these days: I would like to end CBD because I know it disregulate my body and brain. In another way, this help me to avoid some of my pain. I am happy to have ended THC and for 3 weeks, I started to eat in a different way. It helps me but my main problem is my old pain.

About food, I really suggest people to learn a few about Steven Gundry and his work. His last book "The longevity paradox" is very nice, sharp and clear explanations with the "american way of writing", which I like a lot. A book for you, your children, the people you know. A list of good/non-good food: https://d1xcdyhu7q1ws8.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/05174633/LongevityParadox_Enhance.pdf You will be surprised I think  

 

I think there will be no surprise if I say that we don't eat well in Occident? A long list of problems and our food has great connexion with our mental health. Simple changes in food can have big improvement for us. Why do I talk about food? Because it seems easier to start to change that for a good result in comparison to deal directly with the pain. As I experience in my short life, solving some pain can be hard or impossible if we don't have the right method. The worst: trying some stuffs can be more damageable than not doing anything. 

In Switzerland and almost in all "rich" countries, the different therapies are avoiding the pain. The patient must not be "isturb or annoyed. It can work but sometimes not. The patient must not feel "bad feelings". As I discover by myself with the help of some books of Arthur Janov (I quote my sources when possible), the key of pain is - paradoxically - to feel it.

 

Let's be clear: the specialists are not agreed about many topics on human being, especially the way we can heal the pain. So, let's start from us, from our life, from our good and bad experiences and feelings. We only have the truth, our own truth. Specialists must only help us to find our own way. Example: talking about an old pain (beggining of life) is useless. We must feel this pain.

 

I am born with cesarian (I didn't turn myselef in the womb, why? ) and these last 2 years I learn a lot about that and myself. This birth is not normal. And now I undersand some of my pain and choices, but I think that the main part of this pain must be feel in my future to be free of it. "understanding" a pain doesn't create the connexion inside us. The pain must be "feel", so the connexion is re-created and our brain will be more equilibrated. (this has been prooved: solving the pain makes a better equilibrium in the brain.)

What are the links with drugs? We know there are many drugs: medication, "illegal" drugs (soft and hard), and legal drugs: sport, sexe, work, food (bad food of course ), risks, speed, screen,... drugs are everywhere in our modern world. Drugs have mainly one goal: keep the pain away of our consciousness. When we withdraw of any kind of drug, the problem is that the pain will reach our consciousness again, if we didn't solve the root of the pain during a kind of "therapy" (=method to solve the pain). If the pain is low, we can manage it. But if the pain is hard, it will be problematic. Medication can help only if we solve the pain, which seems mainly not the case in a lot of therapies. For me, the most important thing is the feeling of the patient with her/his medication. To withdraw in a good and secure way, the patient must be able to feel the pain. Too much medication: impossible to fell. Not engouh with a huge pain: the brain is in the "red" zone and cannot make any connection with the pain.

 

But good solutions exist. The problem is that 1) we don't know them and 2) too many corruptions in our societies: good solutions are not propagated. Hopefully, this "swamp" is drained and the best solutions in many or all fields will be improved fastly these next years! And for that, I say thank you to USA! A very happy Re-Independance Day! These next weeks/months will prove it (or not...).

 

I hope my text can help. For me, there are some truth about human being, but the pain, feelings, needs and wishes are individual and in the same time, the pain is about our needs, like love, and our mecanisms to protect and save ourself when these needs are not fullfil. And here we have all the same mecanisms (neurobiological mecanisms), so we have all the same key: feel our feelings.

I will be happy to help if I can or giving some information. I cannot talk about medication, but I can surely talk about feelings, pain, and good stuffs  Just let me know about the place of my post, I didn't get all the "panorama" of this website and forum.

As they say - it seems - in US: keep the faith! And enjoy this weekend!

steqh

 

 

[manymoretodays]

Hi there,

So......this is good stuff steqh.  What you are writing.

 

And here is a bit more about what survivingantidepressants.org is all about.  About Surviving Antidepressants.org

 

I copied/quoted this block of text, which will go in your signature.

4 hours ago, steqh said:

- Summer 2017: start of daily THC (better sleep, no problem in 2017); a few of alcohol but less "nice" than THC for me. (before: only recreational use of THC, I never took "hard drugs")

- 2018: daily THC (still ok for my concentration and motivation, but my sleep's problems were still there).

- 2019: daily THC until summer, then complete stop and a few of quetiapine (an antipsychotic) (50 mg then 25 mg) to sleep. Less than 2 months with quetiapine. Easy to end THC and make this transition. Alcohol was easy to stop - I didn't want to dring it. I felt a nice change in myself.

- 2020: April to July: back to THC, then stop. Still have problems to sleep.

- 2021: Jan-Fev: CBD; March to May: THC. June and now: CBD and a few of quetiapine. 

 

I'm seeing that 2 years ago, you quit THC and went to quetiapine(Seroquel) doing a 50% reduction, and then off that and back to THC.   And now back on the quetaipine at what dose, and how often?  Just add that in, and then go to Account settings/signature and either copy the text above to insert, and then edit, or type it all in.  Don't forget to hit the Save button when you are finished, and you'll see your own signature below your next postings here.

If you are on any other drugs, please do mention that, and put that in the signature too.  Thankyou.

 

 

 

We don't usually deal much with tapering of CBD, or THC here.  We do however, have a topic:  Cannabis, marijuana, hashish, THC, and CBD(cannabidiol), and Hemp oil

That would be the link to that.  And our staff here, are all volunteers who have been through, or are going through WD(withdrawal), or protracted withdrawal syndrome, or are healing from the iatrogenic injuries from years of psychopharmacology, so that's more our focus.  As is advising on harm  reduction approaches to  coming off psychotropic medications, and then offering support around that.

 

Here's what we've got on Seroquel(quetiapine), a little bit about it, and then tapering from it. 

Tips for tapering off Seroquel(quetiapine)

Also I encourage you to use Drugs.com to read more about Seroquel, and I'm hoping to prevent you from further usage of it.   It's nasty.  

 

Generally with the antipsychotics and antidepressants it only takes about a month for your brain, and body to become dependant on them.  And then, not all can just come on and off, ad infinitum, without running into problems.  So, if I were you, I might consider stopping all psychoactives, prescribed or otherwise, at some point soon.  You've got a fantastic baseline of understanding, and cerebral skills to help you grow into yourself and be mentally healthy. 

If you are heading into a months usage of the quetiapine now, you might consider doing an abbreviated taper too, to prevent rebound insomnia, or increased emotional instability.

What is withdrawal syndrome?

And then you'll see a whole indexed list of topics below the first post there too

Why taper by 10% of your dosage

^ this is worth looking at, and of course after shorter term usage, we sometimes suggest, a little quicker taper, based on an individual members unique recent history, and ability to manage if any new symptoms of WD arise.

 

 

And then I'm not sure if you are referring to pain, as just emotional pain, or if you do have some physical ailments that cause pain too.  In anycase, I think you are heading in the right direction, of growing, healing, and managing just fine.

 

And don't get me wrong, I am not passing judgement.  I actually used pot, marijuana, smoked it, to help me get off Seroquel way back , prior to my arrival here.  The problem became for me, that I did get pretty dependent on the pot, and was having adverse effects.......and so......went off to AA.  I also had a long history of some episodic drinking, that wasn't great......and so that worked for me.  I'm also old enough to be your mother, and it just wasn't a real fitting lifestyle of integrity for me anymore.  Drinking pffft......alcohol is a depressant,  I don't need that.   It can also be a real hindrance when going through prolonged and protracted WD.   Which you may be going through too.  I'm a bit sensitive to psychotropics now , given my long history with medications and psychiatry.  Happy to be on the other side of that now.

 

I like your ideas steqh, and what you are sharing here.  I think you might find that you can support others here too, or post new topics, in some of the appropriate forums here.  I'd suggest you go to the Main Forum page or Home Page, and get familiar with the layout here, and different forums.  And then maybe even post a new topic somewhere, if you'd like.  Just explore for now, if you'd like.  You may have some other members stop by here too, or do the same for them. 

 

And.....let us know, if you want to begin getting off the present Seroquel(quetiapine) and would like input and support on that.

 

And then, like I said, go visit other members too.  I've been wanting to check on back with Neon:Venlafaxine withdrawal, and I wonder if you two would be a good fit for psychological support.  You could just take a look/read through their topic and see.  And then we have a private message(PM) system too here.  You'll see a little envelope icon at the top of your screen, where you can use that for more personal conversations with other members.

 

Alright, and best......I tend to get a bit wordy sometimes.  And am running scarcer here, as I am mourning the recent loss of my Mum.  Your first two post are now approved and you are good to go here.  Questions around your specific case should go right here on this thread, topic. 

 

Welcome again.  I've enjoyed reading your wisdom.  And really do relate to a lot of it, with similarities as to what I am now going through......as far as some of my old baggage.  Good baggage.

 

Please forgive my frequent use of U.S. slang too.  Your written English is likely better than my own.

 

Love, peace, healing, and growth,

mmt