guile2: needing help on tapering olanzapine

[guile2]

Thanks Heyduke. 

 

I noticed a need for peer friends 

 

I created a Discord chat server which I posted in the offtopic forum... 

 

I also brainstormed creating a website. I came up with the idea Friendsforpeers.com and purchased the website. I have one year of the purchased domain to figure out what to do with it but I was thinking of linking the Discord chat room. I was thinking of creating a safe and supportive space for people to talk to each other in a chat room and maybe on the website list national Warm lines for people to be able to call to chat if they're lonely with peer support specialists, or any other links on the website that promote not being so lonely and not just being on the computer either. The goal would also be to be able to have an option to make real friends in the chat room. Start with chat... but also free enough to chat in voice chat with somebody on discord. 

 

I could also list resources on the websites for ways to make friends for people that have taken or are taking medication. 

 

Resources and book recommendations for people tapering medication even if they're comfortable staying on a smaller dose for a while while they stabalize and give them the choice to stay on that smaller dose or reduce it again whatever makes them feel most comfortable. 

 

Does this sound at all interesting? 

 

[guile2]

On 8/30/2023 at 12:11 AM, purple said:

Thanks for letting us know you're still here, @guile2. It's always hard on these forums when people stop checking in and we are left to wonder. Though of course, people have their reasons and circumstances.

Thanks for the care. I found some herbal powders that changed my life for the positive 3 days ago. But its really new so im not going to share. But its amazing what natural products can actually take away withdrawal like 95% soon after drinking and take away anxiety ect ect... but i dont know if theres any consequences to it so i wont share until i find out ( oh its not any drug.)

[rupa]

On 11/14/2023 at 7:10 AM, guile2 said:

Thanks for the care. I found some herbal powders that changed my life for the positive 3 days ago. But its really new so im not going to share. But its amazing what natural products can actually take away withdrawal like 95% soon after drinking and take away anxiety ect ect... but i dont know if theres any consequences to it so i wont share until i find out ( oh its not any drug.)

One thing for sure you will reach prior medicines  stage of brain 

 

What made you opt medication in the first place ,that issues you manage with proper understanding

 

For example excess libido lead you to feel you are eligible to medication?

 

Only Christians know there is a word called libido and judgement

 

Rest of the world lives not knowing anything about words and meanings 

 

Fundamental duty of human must be self safety and others safety 

 

Thus,once you tapper meds to zero,eating certain foods will save you from excess libido 

 

Find compatible partner who appreciates your love by your hugs,cuddles and your sexual orientation

 

Because sex based relationships are fragile and makes you feel to judge your brain towards your love feelings ,making yourself judge as libido 

 

You both practice certain foods which makes life clean and tidy even though you both love daily to eachother

 

For example avoid non vegetarian and spices 

 

Have tummy friendly ,avoid or tapper caffeine

 

 

 

 

[guile2]

On 11/13/2023 at 8:40 PM, guile2 said:

Thanks for the care. I found some herbal powders that changed my life for the positive 3 days ago. But its really new so im not going to share. But its amazing what natural products can actually take away withdrawal like 95% soon after drinking and take away anxiety ect ect... but i dont know if theres any consequences to it so i wont share until i find out ( oh its not any drug.)

These are power greens from trader joes. Organic kale organic spinach and organic chard... i mixed them in this grinder because its chemical polish free. The blender i used had chemical smell in the whole thing. 

[guile2]

I made a discovery 20 days ago exactly today. Three plant powders mixed with water took away my withdrawal 95% on antipsychotics. I was letting 6 months of invega 234mg monthly injection shots wear off and I got to a really bad point of fast thinking after the 33rd day it escalated to a great amount and at that point I started a low MG pill of invega because I knew I was heading in the decompensating direction and it was getting really bad. So since I had positive experiences with these plant powders individually I tried 3 of them mixed together. I recovered about 95% of the fast thinking every few hours I would take the plant powders and it restored a sense of normalness of mind too after about 14 days of taking it but I noticed positive changes earlier. This spurred me to buy a lot of the plants and plant powders I had experimented with before and benefitted from and also start up juicing organic carrots and beets (CalOrganic). I also started blending organic power greens from trader Joe's in my spice grinder as it's the only glass chemical polish free chopping tool I know of. I've been regularly taking these plant powders for stress - the 3 mixtures help with that also on top of curing my fast thinking. I take one other plant powder for anxiety which helps 99% of the time. You have to know what company's to buy from when you buy organic plants as medicine because so many are careless in the way they use chemicals around it and plants with bad organic fertilizers and pesticides won't help either. 

 

It spurred me to buy a lot of plants I have positive experiences with (not Marijuana or drugs for my American friends who think God created 1 plant the Marijuana and then he created western medicine). Anyway I wasn't going to share because I only have taken antipsychotics and don't know how any of this effects AD users and I don't want to be a bad influence but I thought this was an interesting personal experience of mine and I would share there are plants out there that help (not Marijuana stay far away from that plant)

 

Quote from a book: 

"Never before in human history have our systems of detoxification been under such constant strain as they are today. We are exposed to literally tens of thousands of novel human-manufactured toxins in the air we breathe, the food we eat, and the water we drink. Add to this alcohol, tobacco, pharmaceuticals, preservatives, and artificial ingredients in food, and what you have is a real mess. When our bodies are inundated with both normal metabolic wastes as well as these potent external toxins, our detoxification organs are being asked to go way above and beyond what they are designed to do. Supporting these overburdened organs is essential. Using plants to help cleanse the body of wastes and toxins is a key strategy for prevention and healing"

 

(Disclaimer:please don't think I'm talking about Marijuana or drugs or get triggered to try those things. They are bad for you!)

[Ck1111]

This is very interesting, im going to look into plant powders. Im going to see a naturopath soon i cant wait to see whats suggested.

[guile2]

8 hours ago, Ck1111 said:

This is very interesting, im going to look into plant powders. Im going to see a naturopath soon i cant wait to see whats suggested.

Plants are beneficial when they're in their natural state I've discovered for myself. This means buying organically grown and processed without unsafe soap washed machinery or contaminated with machinery that processes anything that has pesticides sprayed on it. Then there's also buying natural plants that haven't been tampered with by hundreds of years by businesses trying to make money off of it otherwise its not in its God made natural state which is why it has medicinal value. So basically if you can get all those things to work just about any plant spice or vegetable fruit or root is worth trying. 

 

People with food sensitivities from medicine withdrawal supersensitized neurotransmitter synapses that react to unnatural food and chemicals highly are possibly the biggest source of knowledge on plants because if they work or don't we know it vs a healthy person eating anything and having no reaction to it. Just like a person with a wound knows what it means to walk carefully while a person without a wound can jump around banging their body this way and that carelessly and not know the difference their actions make. 

 

Of course there's other considerations and this may not be totally true. Seeing a naturopath is fun stuff but it's nice if you can find a Christian one. 

[Ck1111]

What do you mean a christian naturopath. Im not religious im spiritual so to me thats of no consequence?

[guile2]

1 hour ago, Ck1111 said:

What do you mean a christian naturopath. Im not religious im spiritual so to me thats of no consequence?

Well many cultures have used plants to heal and mixed it with their religion

[Ck1111]

Sure, but i dont personally think that whether a naturopath is religious or not has any baring on if they are any good at their job.

[guile2]

1 hour ago, Ck1111 said:

Sure, but i dont personally think that whether a naturopath is religious or not has any baring on if they are any good at their job.

Naturopaths are good. I might go to one myself. I wasn't talking about naturopaths I was talking about avoiding religion when choosing plants. It's a good thing. 

[guile2]

5 hours ago, Ck1111 said:

What do you mean a christian naturopath. Im not religious im spiritual so to me thats of no consequence?

Honestly I am not agreeing with "religion" "religion" triggers me which is not nice. I like true rescue from problems in the next life and this life. Truth which brings love and hope is my perspective.  The reason I say Christianity is because it's not a religion although it can be, when it's truth which brings about love and hope and a real true relationship with God than that is what I am looking for.  But since these topics are highly triggering to everyone I just try to live what I want in my own life without making too many assertions to anyone about beliefs. Everyone's got their own honorable journey nobody should be stepping on anyones toes with sharing their own stuff.  

[guile2]

Hi I'm Rainnforest, I have major religious trauma. I need help from the real God. 

[guile2]

 

Chemical sensitivities my list of things to buy that dont cause me sensitivities

 

list of chemical free non food items for those with chemical sensitivities

 

1. Ala maison French unscented olive oil bar soap. I have found it safe for use on dishes to wash them and on the body to take a shower with and on hair and even to accidentally get in the mouth in the shower. This doesn't cause me any food sensitivity.
2. Dollar tree sponges and scrub brushes with the handles (the blue handled ones) don't seem to cause me any food sensitivities for washing my dishes with. 
3. Neoflam ceramic pot on Amazon. Good for baking anything in without chemicals leaching from the bakeware. 
4. Hefty brand Ziplocks don't irritate my food sensitivities. 
5. Any glass that doesn't smell like polish or chemicals. Dollar tree seems like it has some decent ones.
6. Dash personal rice cooker on Amazon. This is safe for me to boil water for herbal tea in and make any food from organic rice organic vegetables organic meat fried eggs boiling pasta boiled eggs with sausauge. Its a push of a button and a one serving meal is created. Its very chemically safe from my experience.
7. Bayka 34 Oz French press on Amazon. Very safe chemically to make herbal teas teas and coffees in. 
8. Cool knight electric spice grinder on Amazon. Doesn't smell like chemicals or polish unlike everything else I've tried for grinders and glass blenders. From experience it doesn't cause any food sensitivities. 
9. Hamilton Beach easy clean juicer 800 watts model 67735. Very easy to use and clean and doesn't seem to cause any food sensitivities. 

 

list of chemical free food and water items for those with food sensitivities

 

1. Calorganic produce will never produce food sensitivities. Neither will earthbound produce.
2. Trader Joe's is the best place to get honest organic items and organic products and produce that won't cause food sensitivities but try to stick to the trader joes brand on non produce items. Sprouts farmers market is second best. 
3. Organic fruits from Guatemala or Ecuador in America have the best chance in my opinion to be the best quality organic fruits. Organic fruits grown anywhere except California in America in my opinion have a good chance of being fake natural produce that often causes food sensitivities. American soil has been having pesticides fertilizers sprayed on it for over 100 years and weedkiller and other chemicals sprayed on it regularly. 
4. Bob's red mill organic rolled oats doesn't cause me any food sensitivities. 
5. Just about all organic produce from trader Joe's doesn't seem to cause food sensitivities. No calorganic brand organic produce causes food sensitivities. 
6 Walmart organic avocados are good the rest of its "organic" produce I stay away from. 
7. Whole foods has some decent organic produce but not always. But the majority of it is. 
8. Aldis organic produce isn't too bad depending on what state your in because each state has its own organic standards on organic pesticides and fertilizers. Aldis meats chicken pork and beef don't cause me any food sensitivities. Aldis normal cheese blocks don't cause me any food sensitivities. 
Aldis northern catch sardines in water don't cause me any food sensitivities (I think that's the brand). 
9. Norwegian stuff many times won't cause too many food sensitivities.

10. Crystal geyser and ice mountain spring water brands are the best for me on my opinion. Florida spring water isn't bad either. But water like Microsoft brand reverse osmosis water causes me food sensitivities. Spring water is the best bet for avoiding food sensitivities. 
11. Meat from trader Joe's is excellent. Walmart brand meat has been fumugated with chemicals (the beef has) and orange chemical dye has been rubbed on it to make it look fresh. I avoid at all cost. Although free range chicken at Walmart is alright and so is its frozen fish choices but I would avoid fish from Chinese fish farms that are imported as they are overpopulated and feeding them chemicals from my suspicion. 
12. 24mantra organic rice of every kind except the processed one (samusari) you will find will most likely be a quality item. I have hit and miss on their organic Indian spices for food sensitivities. 
13. There are some nice Thai curry simmer sauce packets at Walmart that don't cause food sensitivities but if you buy the cheap ones you do at your own risk. 
14. Organic tastybite brand Indian prepared food in packets is safe for me. It's also tasty.

15. Celtic light gray sea salt (its one of the healthiest ways to get salt in my opinion)

 

 

list of restaurants that have the best chance not to cause food sensitivities.

 

I don't trust American restaurants. They use food with chemicals and spices with lots of chemicals in it. Authentic Indian buffets are the safest restaurants to eat at in America as well as Authentic Vietnamese restaurants. Authentic Chinese restaurants are somewhat trustworthy but are hit and miss for food sensitivities. Jamaican restaurants aren't that bad for food sensitivities. Chipotle which is a Latin America Authentic fast food restaurant serves decent food for avoiding food sensitivities. Authentic Thailand food restaurants are pretty good for food sensitivity avoidance as well. If you want American food I suggest a good sit down homemade hamburger and fries at a restaurant but anything else I try to avoid for the food sensitivities. If you need American fast food Arbies food seems to be decent or the chilly at Wendy's. These are my preferences to avoid food sensitivities. I have nothing against American food just that I want to avoid all those technology advanced chemicals in the food that seem to cause me food sensitivities.

 

Foods to avoid for food sensitivities from my personal experience.

 

 

Any food that has chemicals in it or has been sprayed with pesticides. I also avoid produce with wax on it and I try to stay away from seedless produce that is less natural. Machines that make products like coffee for example have been washed with soap regularly so even organic products have to be tested to see what brands don't cause you any food sensitivities. Remember at the grocery store checkout they spray the stuff with chemicals so always bag organic produce in a way the actual produce is not touching the scale. Im also sensitive to machinery that processes nuts and wheat as it's often filled with pesticides or they wash it with soap regularly or for some reason. It bothers me.

 

Other things to avoid. Cigarette smoke has thousands of chemicals on it. I avoid alcohol. I avoid all drugs or drug plants such as marajwana and of course avoid vaping if you're avoiding chemicals as well. 

 

Tips avoid as much sugar as possible its a drug. Avoid processed food as much as possible it has chemicals in it. Although pasta seems fine. 

 

Tip if you're not buying organic you're eating pesticides and unnatural fertilizers and whatever chemicals were used to make the food. However nobody can eat purely organic so test out what non-organic products don't cause you food sensitivities. 

[guile2]

 

My organic power greens in filtered(should be spring water but not today) water with organic basmati rice my rice cooker for rice and an9ther rice cooker exclusively to boil water in. My french press. My ala maison unscented olive oil soap to wash my dishes which doesnt cause any food sensitivities. 

 

 

My organic herbal powders for medicine helps with fast thinking stress and anxiety different ones. 

My organic chamomile

[guile2]

I dont want to say what this is because pharmecutical companys might see this and destroy the sellers or make the prices skyrocket so i cant purchase. However if somebody wants to ask me over private message and prove theyre not working for the pharmecuetical company i will share with them. The only reason i use this grinder is because its chemical free i tried a mueler grinder and it did a better job but it was contaminated with chemical polish on the inside contaminating my medicine(not drugs or cbd related for americans that culturally think plant medicine is a drug plant). 

 

 

 

 

 

 

These are my spice and herb mixture in a french press to make tea. The thing about this is it helps relax and might help with inflamation and relief of mental pressure. The psych meds scientifically are known to shrink the brain and if you stop taking them your brain supposidly bounces back to its original volume according to the ridiculous psychiatric community while if this has any truth to it i can only imagine the immense inflammation of the brain. 

 

Even if for a silly reason you want to think of herbs as "good at one thing" like western medicine does solving an inflammation problem from brain shrinkage by 10% bouncing back to its original volume in one day after not taking psych drugs you might have solved some of the cause of your "symptoms".

[guile2]

The link in my signiture works now I made a website called Friends for peers and it has a discord chat room that is based off of SA.org. Along with my personal blog post at the bottom. The information is in my signiture (the link works now).

[guile2]

Picture of my herbal medicine powders and herbal medicine tea (not marajuwana or cbd or anything related to that. Real herbal medicine not drugs). I also fixed some major symptoms ive had for years with smelling an organic essential oil for a few minutes multiple times. (Herbs are like roses if you smell the rose youre going to have a good time. If youre stupid enough to choose to prick your finger on the thorn youre being stupid. People "prick their finger on the thorn" of a single herb out of the millions available by smoking it (marajuwana) and think they know everything about real herbs having never experienced the rose flower itself just pricking their finger on the thorn. This is what people think about herbs. Oh its a thorn to prick your finger on and thats an herb. No herbs are roses to enjoy but you gotta watch out for the thorns(marajuwana) and find the flower(the millions that are beneficial for medicine/health.))

 

[guile2]

A message i posted

 

I am not a leader just a fellow peer giving an opinion. Often times i am an idiot. What helps me may not help anyone else. I am suffering from complex issues (including spiritual issues). My psychiatric and symptom issues i am managing with plant powders herbal teas eating organic food when i can, juicing organic stuff, and smelling nature plant oils from bottles in sessions for my neurotransmitter health. Daily use is working for me for daily management so far. My issues are complex though trauma anxiety and other issues from damage by my medications that i feel like im managing and i feel like im fixing for myself in experimental ways (maybe it won't work in the future, and i can only speak for what is helping me I do not know what would help anyone else) with natural means so far im not sure if it will continue working but i am hoping it does. I have other problems that are not talked about but i am managing the best i can. But i have only been managing for 30 days before that i have been in a lot of troubles since 2016 but now i am doing better my  health is improved about 30-50% to normal from med damage although im still cognitevely not normal and deal with confusion from the medication still in my body from medication injections, -10% on trauma and other problems but now i can handle it. The plant powders i use have helped me greatly with withdrawal, stress, and anxiety but its helping me i don't know if it benefits anyone else (just what's helping me 🙂 ). I am not a leader just a fellow peer giving an opinion. An opinion that may be a trigger to others so i apologize this is not my intention.

[guile2]

On 6/29/2016 at 8:40 PM, Altostrata said:

Theoretically, an Invega injection tapers itself.

 

Thank you, scallywag, for that very informative and graphically astonishing example of ASCII art.

I have 6 months of invega injections after the 33rd day of the last injection i had fast thinking so bad i hopped onto a 1.5 pill for a day then tried a little bit of the 1.5 pill, until i found 3  powders that helped it significantly (ill tell anyone what they are if you message me because i dont want pharmeceutical companys to know. It will ruin the company selling it and i need to get it for i think i want to take it for the indefinite future for brain health). Now with all the powders im taking and other things and a diet with a lot of organic food im doing fine on the 60th day or so since my last injection but keep in mind i am doing a lot of powders that help with withdrawal ,stress, and anxiety otherwise id be toast at least withthe ones that help with withdrawal. Since i took 6 injections in 6 months and am only 60 days since the last injection i bet theres a lot still in my body with 25-49 day half lives for each injection. So keep in mindbi was about to crash and burn the fast thinking was that bad until i found some powders that helped... it sounds fantastic and it is i have no idea how lucky or blessed i am to have found these powders probably infinite odds that it happened. And im hoping i dont need to take anymore invega but i might have to since i have 6 injections in my body over 6 months and im only 60 days after the last injection (honestly i wouldnt have made it past the 34th day without some invega pill or 1.5mg and would have ended up in the hospital without having found these powders) what helps me might not help anyone else. Im not a leader im just talking about my personal experience with invega. I still might end up in the hospital or on a low dose of tablet invega to taper. 

[guile2]

 

Updated

 

How im doing: (I am not a leader just a fellow peer giving an opinion. Often times i am an idiot. What helps me may not help anyone else.) I am suffering from complex issues including spiritual issues). My psychiatric and symptom issues i am managing with plant powders herbal teas and smelling nature plant oils from bottles in sessions for my neurotransmitter health(along with a high amount of organic in my diet, juicing, and blending of organic power greens in spring water). Daily use is working for me for daily management so far. My issues are complex though trauma anxiety and other issues from damage by my medications that i feel like im managing and i feel like im fixing for myself in experimental ways (maybe it won't work in the future, and i can only speak for what is helping me I do not know what would help anyone else) with natural means so far im not sure if it will continue working but i am hoping it does. I have other problems that are not talked about but i am managing the best i can. But i have only been managing for 30 days before that i have been in a lot of troubles since 2016 but now i am doing better my  health is improved about 30-50% to normal from med damage although im still cognitevely not normal and deal with confusion from the medication still in my body from medication injections, -10% on trauma and other problems but now i can handle it. The plant powders i use have helped me greatly with withdrawal, stress, and anxiety but its helping me i don't know if it benefits anyone else (just what's helping me 🙂 ). I am not a leader just a fellow peer giving an opinion. An opinion that may be a trigger to others so i apologize this is not my intention.

 

 

My herbal tea with organic spices and roots and berries and such ground up to make a tea i drink all day long. I then mix some fresh organic stuff into my tea for crunchy fresh goodness. 

 

[guile2]

Amazing how people have a reaction when you try to tell them nature can help you. Its like i tried pills and i dont like them but i want to continue living absolutely unnaturally so im a sucker for the next unnatural thing. Tapering works because its natural. Its not a miracle that tapering works. Its because a person is letting the body fix itself without abrupt unnatural chemical changes. But the miracle is somebody knows about something natural but thinks other natural things are miracles. So a million plants that are natural, we know eating vegetables is good in this culture but nothing else thats natural. Eating drugs like sugar and other tampered with natural things is the norm and tons of chemicals and drugs in food. It is frustrating dealing with ignorance even by helpful people. Nature helping people is not a miracle just like if i post eat your spinach and somebody thinks thats a miracle to suggest it helps work to improve peoples bodies. Well if you get organic natural the way God made it it will improve your body. God made nature he had in mind your health. The sun is good for you pollution is bad for you humans made pollution just like they make other things. It is not a miracle if nature helps somebodys health. And health is not some added muscle you get when you go to the gym... nature has the effect of restoring the human body to its natural state, the natural state of a persons body just like if you restore a car in a shop you can hope its running closer to the way it was manufactured after working on it. I use nature to restore my body its not a miracle cure neither is tapering. Tapering takes advantage of the natural tendency of the body to restore itself to its natural state if not tampered with we see this natural tendencies when wounds heal. But if you do further damage to your wound it will not heal right away tapering limits the further damage to the wound and gives it a chance to heal. So its nature thats healing somebody not a miracle, if one natural thing like tapering can be a healing force other natural things can be healing forces too and its as much a miracle as tapering is a miracle. Things like a natural diet in this day and age that means organic, things like organic raw spices seeds fruits vegetables roots leaves herbal noncaffeinated teas sunlight unprocessed FISH OIL and other organic oils (in my case avacados) ect. 

 

There are other things to think about besides the physical. Everybody is a spiritual being so finding God who created you and loves you well id say that rates as a very important thing too.

 

So please when warning me on my profile for sharing the concept of nature with people you are publickly shaming me for trying to share knowledge that seems like it is being supressed for some odd reason. If doing unnatural things works for you keep doing it its working for you. 

 

(This post is an opinion not to be confused with fact)

 

P.s. and buying something like a pesticide laden salad and having a reaction than thinking nature is bad for you. This is a type of ignorance. 

[guile2]

To be clear my last post was not out of disrespect but out of frustration. I highly respect the helping heart of this website. 

[JanCarol]

Hey guile2 - 

 

Most of this stuff is appropriate for *your* website, and your YouTube channel.    You're welcome to post your natural health regimens there.  What works for you may not work for everybody, so we can't endorse it here.  We keep things simple, very simple.  Mag & fish oil while tapering.  S-L-O-W tapering (your signature indicates a lot of fast changes, hence you get drugged again!).  If you are already on said herbs, it may be a regime to maintain.  HOWEVER, herbs and your drugs may or may not play well together.  I've dabbled in herbs for 40 years now, and there is always more to learn.  I'd start with herb/drug interactions at: Drugs.com Drug Interaction checker .

 

This site, while in the same direction as you (wellness), is mostly about tapering psychiatric drugs (and occasionally St. John's Wort), and getting that right.  From your signature, it sounds as though you are not in charge of your drug regimen.  You cannot taper from a depot shot.   We can't help you taper until you are in charge of your own prescriptions.

 

I'm not sure how we can help you here, other than to hang out with other survivors.  And let us know when you are ready to taper.

 

I hope you see the Sun today (it really is good Medicine!)
 

 

 

[guile2]

2 hours ago, JanCarol said:

Hey guile2 - 

 

Most of this stuff is appropriate for *your* website, and your YouTube channel.    You're welcome to post your natural health regimens there.  What works for you may not work for everybody, so we can't endorse it here.  We keep things simple, very simple.  Mag & fish oil while tapering.  S-L-O-W tapering (your signature indicates a lot of fast changes, hence you get drugged again!).  If you are already on said herbs, it may be a regime to maintain.  HOWEVER, herbs and your drugs may or may not play well together.  I've dabbled in herbs for 40 years now, and there is always more to learn.  I'd start with herb/drug interactions at: Drugs.com Drug Interaction checker .

 

This site, while in the same direction as you (wellness), is mostly about tapering psychiatric drugs (and occasionally St. John's Wort), and getting that right.  From your signature, it sounds as though you are not in charge of your drug regimen.  You cannot taper from a depot shot.   We can't help you taper until you are in charge of your own prescriptions.

 

I'm not sure how we can help you here, other than to hang out with other survivors.  And let us know when you are ready to taper.

 

I hope you see the Sun today (it really is good Medicine!)
 

 

 

 

 

I wasnt ever trying to get anybody to endorse what im doing in fact i wrote :

 

"What im doing is experimental i dont want to get anybody else trying it. Tapering is a tried and true way of getting off drugs safely. " 

 

theres a difference between endorsing something and actively supressing it. Its like this website will allow people to talk about Fish oil which is a natural thing tapering which is a natural thing but if other natural things are talked about its not allowed a thread of its own in the self help forum. Talking about millions of plants is not allowed openly while suppliments are allowed. Its frustrating that nature is being suppressed. Its like if i supressed that the sun helps while promoting uv lamps in caves. And then warning me subjecting me to public shame for sharing that sunlight has helped me...

 

I never ever told anybody to try what i found helping me. I simply have had pity on the people suffering and shared my personal experience in case they wanted to try it. But keep in mind im taking a huge risk to share information sellers are very delicate a rush from pharmecutical companies to buy up a mom and pops selling company would completely ruin my ability to get things that are benefitting me which id like to take for as long as possible. Im taking a huge risk sharing any ideas with strangers to my own health yet i have a heart like if i were a person that figured out something natural to get a leg not to swell from washing a wound i have a heart to share that information with people who are having their leg swelling from a wound. And its not a miracle that the sun is helpful neither is it a miracle that nature can help but i was treated like somebody peddling a con game because sunlight cant be considered helpful only uv lamps in caves the same kind of supression for nature is happening. And then blaming me for saying nature helps its ignorance and its a terrible cultural fallacy to supress nature while agreeing with man made things. The pharmecuetical company is doing it tthats why were here getting help from a natural thing like tapering. Nature the natural ability of the body to heal itself if not harmed is what tapering is. Its not some sort of man made drug solution to fix health. 

 

What is the problem about letting somebody say organic vegetables is going to benefit your health we all know that eat your vegetables am i crossing a line to say that. No im not because its culturally acceptable but say eat your plants oh no im a conman pushing miracles on people. 

[guile2]

"What is the problem about letting somebody say organic vegetables is going to benefit your health we all know that eat your vegetables am i crossing a line to say that. No im not because its culturally acceptable but say eat your plants oh no im a conman pushing miracles on people."

 

there is a warning about this. If youre totally ignorant of plants theres a bad tendency by cultures to have plants that effect the mind negatively to be prominent in their culture so before you go beyond fruits and vegetables and cutting out sugar and processed foods you need wisdom to avoid this cultural tendency bad habit. 

 

Things that are good are organic spices eating them raw. Organic nonprocessed oils like organic avacados and im going to try fish oil and organic cold pressed olive oil(not sure how these effect me yet).  Organic essential oils are accepted by the culture and are good too. I had a healing experience a few days ago when i tried organic essential oils for the first time not putting them on but smelling them for minutes. The company i purchased it from a worker said she used tea tree essential oil(i only use organic otherwise im smelling chemicals in my nature) helped her lack of smell from covid in four days using it. I believe her. I also had a personal healing experience from smelling essential oils for minutes not putting them on. 

 

 

Again im not trying to sell anything not even hope just sharing my personal experience and opinions. If you gain some benefit from hearing thats good if you dont and dont want to hear anything thats good nobody is selling you anything. There is absolutely no benefit i get from sharing other than the possibility of being a help to somebodies life but if im being a harm please dont listen.

 

(i feel like what the pharmeceutical companies did to you by attacking you with a chemical imbalance theory from their beliefs youre doing to me something similar by attacking me for my opinions that natural things have healing properties due to your beliefs. This just makes me defensive and gets me to say and act in defensive ways which are also not nice making public warnings is public shaming which is establishing an abusive relationship. Private direction on how to use the site im very much open to, public shaming is setting up an abusive relationship and for people suffering from trauma from people abusing them in relationships im a little skeptical. I would think people would want to treat others the way they want to be treated. A warning is fine but making it public to stay on somebodies profile indefenetly is a form of public shaming. Who knows what i'm being attacked for by public shaming setting up an abusive relationship, my christian beliefs, my bad communication skills, whatever the reason setting up abusiveness in a relationship is what people get involved in mental health for. Why not have warned me privately as if i wouldn't have accomodated any request willingly. Was it because I posted christian beliefs... who knows why i'm being attacked. But establishing abusive relationships by public shaming is harmful to my relationship ability with everybody on the website, is that what is the plan...) 

[guile2]

5 hours ago, JanCarol said:

What works for you may not work for everybody, so we can't endorse it here.  We keep things simple, very simple.  Mag & fish oil while tapering. 

Um... we keep things simple implies that there are some accepted things and everything else is not acceptable to talk about. By looking at the selfhelpbforum this is just not true. The truth is there are multple things talked about it is simply talking about this specific issue nature that can help a person instead of ome societal manmade thing is being supressed. This viewpoint is actively being suoressed on this website. To act as if im looking for endorsement simply to be able to have a viewpoint and talk about my personal experiences is false. I never asked for endorsement or for anyone to agree with my viewpoint on nature only that talking about it be treated with the same dignity as talking about the myraid of other thingsbpeople have talked about and are not having their viewpoint being supressed. Such as suppliments ect... and also to supress the viewpoint further your establishing that only certain viewpoints are accepted on the site when there are hundreds of suggestions in threads diets suppliments even down to essential oils being talked about. It is simply that youre supressing a viewpoint and as such need to take ownershipbthat youre doing it without shifting the blame on me as if im doing something innaprpriarpte by not only sticking to fish oil and magnesium when there are hundreds of things being discussed diets suppliments even diet dr strategies of apprach why is my viewpoint that nature is beneficial not allowed on the website as an idea why am i automatically being told i need to conform to two simple endorsed ideas just to have a viewpoint when there are hundreds of things discussed on the self help forum and lastly why am i being looked at as some professional wanting endorsement when im an idiot with my freedom being supressed to share my opinion and experiences under conditions of no pressure. 

 

And lastly when people do abusive thingsblike public shaming theyre setting up abusive relationships that effect a relationship for the indefinite future. Why was i not warned privately first. It seems that abusiveness just creates defensiveness and public shaming creates an us vs them wgphere a person is not acting normal because their boundaries are being abused the people grouping together against this person in an us vs them type of behavior are not acting normal either. Nobody ends up acting normal and relationship potential suffers. The person being attacked and becomes defensive stops acting normal because hes under attack which in turn triggers judgment from a heightened sense of judgment by the people attacking him. Which in turn creates more attacks less truth and consideration and empathy... this is why i cant agree with public shaming. If theres a problem a simple pm could suffice. 

[Altostrata]

On 12/9/2023 at 6:39 PM, guile2 said:

I have 6 months of invega injections after the 33rd day of the last injection i had fast thinking so bad i hopped onto a 1.5 pill for a day then tried a little bit of the 1.5 pill, until i found 3  powders that helped it significantly (ill tell anyone what they are if you message me because i dont want pharmeceutical companys to know. It will ruin the company selling it and i need to get it for i think i want to take it for the indefinite future for brain health). Now with all the powders im taking and other things and a diet with a lot of organic food im doing fine on the 60th day or so since my last injection

 

@guile2 your recent significant increase in activity online and the content of your posts indicates you still are experiencing fast thinking. These are signs of hypomania -- you feel good but you are overcome by fast thinking. This could be the antipsychotic withdrawal syndrome we cautioned you about.

 

Your condition is of great concern here. We are only peer counselors but we are worried that you are heading towards a withdrawal-induced crash and may end up back in the hospital. If I were you, I'd go back on 0.5mg Invega to stabilize. Stay safe, please.

[guile2]

23 minutes ago, Altostrata said:

 

@guile2 your recent significant increase in activity online and the content of your posts indicates you still are experiencing fast thinking. These are signs of hypomania -- you feel good but you are overcome by fast thinking. This could be the antipsychotic withdrawal syndrome we cautioned you about.

 

Your condition is of great concern here. We are only peer counselors but we are worried that you are heading towards a withdrawal-induced crash and may end up back in the hospital. If I were you, I'd go back on 0.5mg Invega to stabilize. Stay safe, please.

Whereas I do have fast thinking it is managed. Again when public shaming takes in effect it creates an us vs them environment where a person is not accepted and everything they do becomes wrong when acceptance and consideration was desired in the first place that everybody whether on drugs or not here is suffering from some abnormality either from medication or withdrawal in my case there are a lot of abnormalities but I expect to be allowed to fit in with them and a safe place to have them. And if they get disruptive to be told o er pm so I have a chance to adjust my behavior without public shaming. "You're sick" is good and acceptable but a person who has permanent warnings on their profile for being sick when everybody here is sick I don't understand why I wasn't warned over pm I would have processed it and tried to accommodate however people have to take responsibility for their preferences if they don't want to allow a certain viewpoint of healing on their website they should take responsibility. I don't want a nature centric view being discussed on my website and that's ok it's your website. I'm personally triggered by lust i want to be careful what women or discussions around sex i allow on my website or discord but I should take responsibility for my bias or preference and realize I'm stopping something whether for my own good my bias or because I believe it's best and what I'm most comfortable with. Taking a problem to pm is so much better than other alternatives. To arrive at an agreement of behavior agreeable to everyone in my opinion. 

[Altostrata]

@guile2 it's characteristic of hypomania that the person doesn't think it's a problem, they feel so good. We are worried about you. Your situation may be beyond peer support, I'm sorry.

[guile2]

Well i believe i need christian counseling for relationships. My dad had abusive boundaries in relationships possibly and i also had adjustment issues to America. As a result i may get very defensive easily. 

[Emonda]

Hi Guile2,

18 minutes ago, guile2 said:

Well I believe I need Christian counselling for relationships.

 

That sounds like a positive step. I'd encourage you to reach out to your church for a recommendation to a Christian counsellor. I am sure they would have a recommendation. 

 

18 minutes ago, guile2 said:

As a result I may get very defensive easily. 

 

I can relate to that at times. I'm sure the counsellor could help you work through that.

 

Emonda

[guile2]

I have a christian mentor whos helping me that i trust. I also started realizing my lack of good communication skills when another christian influence pointed it out. My relationship with my dad at an early age set up a situation of abusiveness in relationships which created bad boundaries alternately i might just not have good relationship skills. It was hard to come to a strange country and have everything and relationships change. I can get defensive easily and if theres any problem in the relationship i can feel attacked and unable to function normally freely afterwards  feeding into a negative cycle of feelings of being harmed and responding to my attackers with justifications for my actions. I think the realization is now just looking for people who love and accept me while avoiding escalations and hopefully getting better at relationships. When theres a feeling of abuse by perceived cultural norms its harder to feel close to someone of that culture naturally and easier to become indignant that theyve treated me badly because i have no love for them naturally due to feeling abused in their country for long periods of time. I guess i just consider all this abusive ways of relating normal nowadays and just dont recognize when im acting innapropriately by not trusting the other persons good intentions so when a problem arises im not aware how theyr human and need to be loved too i just feel theyre naturally abusers and need to be righted for being abusive. Its pretty nasty stuff... need to start recognizing that other people arent abusers and try to offer some love to them so relationship dynamics dont end up crashing and burning. 

 

Its hard to love abusers. So i just need to realize not everyone from a certain culture is an abuser and try to love and appreciate them even though i dont understand them. 

 

My gosh i didnt even realize i was going through all of this until now. I need to love people more. For some reason i have a lot of love for people outside of America but naturally less or no love for people i perceive as abusers. My God ive been living a lie wow im so glad i discovered this. Im naturally not able to love these people unless i make a conscious effort due to feeling abused all the time by their cultural norms. I need to learn to see past the percieved abuse find their true value as human beings and love them. love them which brings acceptance even tho i dont understand their culture. My judgments of their culture is perceiving abuse is getting in the way of love and acceptance hand in hand. 

[Emonda]

You are in a safe space here, Guile2, and we only want the best for you. We all want to heal.

 

Reach out to a counsellor via your church and chat face-to-face. I'm sure it will be a positive experience.

 

Your drug signature is quite long, so I haven't digested it at this stage. When you are up to it, please shorten your signature to Date/Drug/Dose; that will help us all.

 

I would strongly encourage you to reflect on the advice from Alto a few posts back regarding your medication.

 

Look after yourself.

 

Emonda

 

[guile2]

On 12/11/2023 at 3:45 PM, Altostrata said:

 

@guile2 your recent significant increase in activity online and the content of your posts indicates you still are experiencing fast thinking. These are signs of hypomania -- you feel good but you are overcome by fast thinking. This could be the antipsychotic withdrawal syndrome we cautioned you about.

 

Your condition is of great concern here. We are only peer counselors but we are worried that you are heading towards a withdrawal-induced crash and may end up back in the hospital. If I were you, I'd go back on 0.5mg Invega to stabilize. Stay safe, please.

I think you noticed something correctly but what you didnt realize is (deleted cant say might not be wise but christianity related problems). I have gotten better since making earlier posts. I took my dietary plant powders grown in India and raw organic cacao powder as well and they also helped with the fast thinking along with some christianity related effects. I am sorry i was so out of line it wasnt my intention. 

[guile2]

Hi im ready to open up about the things that helped me. I have to warn anyone reading that i have spiritual problems so i cant say for sure whafs from the herbs or from spiritual forces good or bad. But i do have these experiences. 

 

Organic moringa powder from u.s wellness naturals on amazon along with organic amla powder from u.s. wellness naturals on amazon and divine organics cacao powder from amazon mixed together cured my fast thinking that i had from invega sustenna injections 6 months worth after the 33rd or so day of not taking it. I also felt stress relief after drinking. The fast thinking had become intollerable. I mixed 2 small spoons of each pkwder together with spring water every 3-4 hours for a while and it helped my fastthinking to the point of being able to function without taking invega. 

 

Then aswaganda powder from anthonys krganics on amazon i had anxiety relief almost every time after drinking. Im not sure if spiritual forces were providing this anxiety reljefor if it was from the ashwaganda. But any other brand of ashwaganda was bad for me i had bad experiences. 

 

Organic chaste berry chewing from frontier coop provided a sense of relief from sexual lust in the body

Organic valerain root from frontier coop provided a sense of tiredness in the body

Organic fennel seeds chewing from us wellness naturals improved mood every time from feeling awful from invega injection. I also felt depression from vraylar taking for 10 days lift after chewing. 

Organic caocao powder from picari improved mood mixed with cold water. 

 

Organic cardimom pods whole and dried from frontier coop seemed to improve mental solidness from a wishy washy brain. 

 

Organic amla powder from us wellness did take away withdrawal feelings

Organic moringa powder from us wellness improved wacky thinking to better thinking

cuban dark roast coffee from wawa took away the intollerable awful feeling i got in my body after the invega injection for the first few. 

 

Burdock root gave me lust its an aphrodesiac no wonder. 

 

Organic marjarim from frontier coop didnt agree with me. 

 

Other organic things like organic maca root from anthonys organics seemed to help with stress a bit

 

Organic nettle from us wellness naturals and organic tulsi tea from organic india are nice

 

Organic lavender and organic chamomile from us wellness provided calmness when mixed together.

 

Smelling organic clary sage essential oil from aura acacia which is frontier coop cleared up psychosis symptom of lust brokenness in the body and colors causing lust. As well as asassociations with any interactions with woman on the internet causing minor lust this improved a bit. I didnt put any clary sage on my body just smelled it from the bottle for medicinal reasons for minutes at a time. 

 

 

Other things that i use that dont cause me any trouble:

 

 

Organic lemon balm from frontier coop

Organic medium grind black pepper

Organic habiscus from us wellness

Organic callundula from us wellness 

 

 

 

You try any of these things at your own risk. I had significant spiritual problems and some spiritual help so im not sure what causes what. Except for the moringa amla and cacao which cured my fast thinking.