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Thank you Abir, Alex and Ru ..:)

Sending you love, and wishes of well being, and healing for the New Year ..

May it be a kind year for us all ..

Love, Lexicon

Hello,
I am tapering Lorazepam, and my daily dose is 1.125 mgs.

I followed a long hold for 5 months, ( Nov-March 2019) hoping to find some stability, 

but it did not work. So I resumed my taper and hold pattern.
For the last 3 years, I have been using a daily microtaper, cutting .001mgs per day, with holds as needed.
Symptoms are head pressure, labored breathing, palpitations, abrupt surges of dizziness, this being my worst symptom for now, internal tremors, my latest nemesis, unsteadiness, anxiety, plus many other symptoms that cycle in, and cycle out consistently. Not a day passes, without grief :(

I take no other meds.

January 2013 - 15 day quick taper off 10 mgs of Lexapro, and 25 mgs of Sertraline,

at a detox clinic.

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Hello,
I am tapering Lorazepam, and my daily dose is 1.125 mgs.

I followed a long hold for 5 months, ( Nov-March 2019) hoping to find some stability, 

but it did not work. So I resumed my taper and hold pattern.
For the last 3 years, I have been using a daily microtaper, cutting .001mgs per day, with holds as needed.
Symptoms are head pressure, labored breathing, palpitations, abrupt surges of dizziness, this being my worst symptom for now, internal tremors, my latest nemesis, unsteadiness, anxiety, plus many other symptoms that cycle in, and cycle out consistently. Not a day passes, without grief :(

I take no other meds.

January 2013 - 15 day quick taper off 10 mgs of Lexapro, and 25 mgs of Sertraline,

at a detox clinic.

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Thank you for a beautiful post! You spread much joy and hope to all of us here. I use your avatar picture a lot when I need to clear my mind of negative images and it really works.

 

Wishing you the same in 2014!

What happened and how I arrived here: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4243-cymbaltawithdrawal5600-introduction/#entry50878

 

July 2016 I have decided to leave my story here at SA unfinished. I have left my contact information in my profile for anyone who wishes to talk to me. I have a posting history spanning nearly 4 years and 3000+ posts all over the site.

 

Thank you to all who participated in my recovery. I'll miss talking to you but know that I'll be cheering you on from the sidelines, suffering and rejoicing with you in spirit, as you go on in your journey.

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Awww, dear CW, thank you, your words are touching .. :)

Please feel free to take the avatar .. It will make me very happy .. :)

I feel grateful, that you stopped by, to share your uplifting kindness ..

Sending you warm thoughts of wellness, of serenity, and love ..

Lexi

Hello,
I am tapering Lorazepam, and my daily dose is 1.125 mgs.

I followed a long hold for 5 months, ( Nov-March 2019) hoping to find some stability, 

but it did not work. So I resumed my taper and hold pattern.
For the last 3 years, I have been using a daily microtaper, cutting .001mgs per day, with holds as needed.
Symptoms are head pressure, labored breathing, palpitations, abrupt surges of dizziness, this being my worst symptom for now, internal tremors, my latest nemesis, unsteadiness, anxiety, plus many other symptoms that cycle in, and cycle out consistently. Not a day passes, without grief :(

I take no other meds.

January 2013 - 15 day quick taper off 10 mgs of Lexapro, and 25 mgs of Sertraline,

at a detox clinic.

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Happy New Year .. :)

Hello,
I am tapering Lorazepam, and my daily dose is 1.125 mgs.

I followed a long hold for 5 months, ( Nov-March 2019) hoping to find some stability, 

but it did not work. So I resumed my taper and hold pattern.
For the last 3 years, I have been using a daily microtaper, cutting .001mgs per day, with holds as needed.
Symptoms are head pressure, labored breathing, palpitations, abrupt surges of dizziness, this being my worst symptom for now, internal tremors, my latest nemesis, unsteadiness, anxiety, plus many other symptoms that cycle in, and cycle out consistently. Not a day passes, without grief :(

I take no other meds.

January 2013 - 15 day quick taper off 10 mgs of Lexapro, and 25 mgs of Sertraline,

at a detox clinic.

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I am hoping that someone would have some understanding with what is happening, and perhaps share some thoughts ..

 

My biggest problem is symptoms in my head ..Starting at the back of my head, to the crown, to the forehead ..

 

They are very unnerving, and debilitating .. They range from tiny little sizzling noises, to my head feeling heavy and foggy, with sporadic tension headaches ..

 

For the last three weeks, these symptoms happen in my sleep and wake me up, which is disturbing, because I had not problems while sleeping before.

 

But they do continue throughout the day, causing unsteadiness,  dizziness,  depression and crying,  blurry eyes,  unstable BP,  labored breathing, some crawling sensations,  and overall discomfort, and discontent .. :(

 

 I will be grateful for any help ..

 

Thank you ..

 

Love, Lexicon

Hello,
I am tapering Lorazepam, and my daily dose is 1.125 mgs.

I followed a long hold for 5 months, ( Nov-March 2019) hoping to find some stability, 

but it did not work. So I resumed my taper and hold pattern.
For the last 3 years, I have been using a daily microtaper, cutting .001mgs per day, with holds as needed.
Symptoms are head pressure, labored breathing, palpitations, abrupt surges of dizziness, this being my worst symptom for now, internal tremors, my latest nemesis, unsteadiness, anxiety, plus many other symptoms that cycle in, and cycle out consistently. Not a day passes, without grief :(

I take no other meds.

January 2013 - 15 day quick taper off 10 mgs of Lexapro, and 25 mgs of Sertraline,

at a detox clinic.

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Hi Lexicon,

I'm sorry you are having some new symptoms which are waking you up.  Early on in my withdrawal, I went through a stage where noises inside my own head would wake me up, it settled down though.  Now I get woken up by hot and cold flashes, but its not too bad, I go back to sleep fairly quickly.

 

Your head symptoms sound fairly 'normal' for withdrawal, and its most likely a wave of symptoms which will pass.

 

Did the strange smells go away yet?

 

For me, new and changing physical symptoms are a good sign, it seems to suggest that healing is happening in a new place on a different level.  I've had weird symptoms crop up all over my body over the last couple of years.  The strangest ones have been my in my toes.  For a few days my left big toe hurt, then a few months later, the right big toe hurt.  Then the left one again. 

 

Lately, I've also been having some crawly, itchy sensations in my scalp, they seem to coincide with hot flashes.  For me, headache and sinus symptoms come and go too.  There seems to be a connection with milk, but I'm not sure.

 

Is there anything different which you are doing?  Has anything in your diet changed?  Sometimes a change in symptoms can be caused by a lifestyle change, other times they can be just random waves.

 

I hope these new symptoms settle down for you soon.

 

Petu.

I'm not a doctor.  My comments are not medical advise. These are my opinions based on my own experience and what I've learned. Please discuss your situation with a medical practitioner who has knowledge of tapering and withdrawal...if you are lucky enough to find one.

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Dear Lexi,

 

I  have nothing more to add to what Petu put so nicely and I really hope it helps you and bring you some comfort.

 

I'd just like to let you know we are here to support you.

 

When I went of 2.5 mg of Lexapro (which after 40 days of ensuing agony led me to this amazing forum), I had a very strange episode with my sinuses. Like never before. My nose would completely block up in the evening and if I lay my head on the pillow I felt as if I was suffocating. So I was awake most of the nights for almost 2 weeks. Thought I had suddenly developed a hay fever. My GP had no idea what was going on and only after reading through some of the posts here, I noticed that WD sometimes causes sinusitis. Still don't know how but it seems it's happening.

 

Your situation is of course different but the nasal area is affected so it might be another WD issue... As Petu says, it might indicate our bodies are getting into an alignment and are actually something positive.

 

But I do hope they go away soon...

 

lots  of love,

 

bubble

Current: 9/2022 Xanax 0.08, Lexapro 2

2020 Xanax 0.26 (down from 2 mg in 2013), Lexapro 2.85 mg (down from 5 mg 2013)

Amitriptyline (tricyclic AD) and clonazepam for 3 months to treat headache in 1996 
1999. - present Xanax prn up to 3 mg.
2000-2005 Prozac CT twice, 2005-2010 Zoloft CT 3 times, 2010-2013 Escitalopram 10 mg
went from 2.5 to zero on 7 Aug 2013, bad crash 40 days after
reinstated to 5 mg Escitalopram 4Oct 2013 and holding liquid Xanax every 5 hours
28 Jan 2014 Xanax 1.9, 18 Apr  2015 1 mg,  25 June 2015 Lex 4.8, 6 Aug Lexapro 4.6, 1 Jan 2016 0.64  Xanax     9 month hold

24 Sept 2016 4.5 Lex, 17 Oct 4.4 Lex (Nov 0.63 Xanax, Dec 0.625 Xanax), 1 Jan 2017 4.3 Lex, 24 Jan 4.2, 5 Feb 4.1, 24 Mar 4 mg, 10 Apr 3.9 mg, May 3.85, June 3.8, July 3.75, 22 July 3.7, 15 Aug 3.65, 17 Sept 3.6, 1 Jan 2018 3.55, 19 Jan 3.5, 16 Mar 3.4, 14 Apr 3.3, 23 May 3.2, 16 June 3.15, 15 Jul 3.1, 31 Jul 3, 21 Aug 2.9 26 Sept 2.85, 14 Nov Xan 0.61, 1 Dec 0.59, 19 Dec 0.58, 4 Jan 0.565, 6 Feb 0.55, 20 Feb 0.535, 1 Mar 0.505, 10 Mar 0.475, 14 Mar 0.45, 4 Apr 0.415, 13 Apr 0.37, 21 Apr 0.33, 29 Apr 0.29, 10 May 0.27, 17 May 0.25, 28 May 0.22, 19 June 0.22, 21 Jun updose to 0.24, 24 Jun updose to 0.26

Supplements: Omega 3 + Vit E, Vit C, D, magnesium, Taurine, probiotic 

I'm not a medical professional. Any advice I give is based on my own experience and reading. 

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Thank you dear Petu

 

I am very grateful for you stopping here, for responding, and for offering soothing and encouraging thoughts ..

You certainly have given me peace of mind, and I am grateful ..

 

I am just saddened that you too, have experienced these horrid WD symptoms ..:(

 

As far as having changed anything in my diet, I will say no .. I eat pretty much the same .. Sweet potatoes, fish, and greens .. Sometimes alternating cauliflower, collard greens, mustard greens, asparagus etc.

 

Also, thank you for remembering my quandary with the terrible smells ..They are pretty much gone, but the sinus issues remain.

 

Petu, I truly hope that this prolonged suffering will come to an end ..

You certainly gave me hope, and faith ..

 

Wishing you good health, healing and serenity for the New Year, and beyond.

 

Love, Lexi

Hello,
I am tapering Lorazepam, and my daily dose is 1.125 mgs.

I followed a long hold for 5 months, ( Nov-March 2019) hoping to find some stability, 

but it did not work. So I resumed my taper and hold pattern.
For the last 3 years, I have been using a daily microtaper, cutting .001mgs per day, with holds as needed.
Symptoms are head pressure, labored breathing, palpitations, abrupt surges of dizziness, this being my worst symptom for now, internal tremors, my latest nemesis, unsteadiness, anxiety, plus many other symptoms that cycle in, and cycle out consistently. Not a day passes, without grief :(

I take no other meds.

January 2013 - 15 day quick taper off 10 mgs of Lexapro, and 25 mgs of Sertraline,

at a detox clinic.

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Today I had an episode that frightened me so ..
Usually, my personality is measured, thoughtful, and  careful as to how I behave .. 

 

But this morning, I was experiencing some kind of nervousness, increased irritability, some kind of anger .. sad.gif
There was no reason for this, and I have not had it happen before ..And so it frightened me ..

 

My head symptoms were pronounced, my stomach was nervous and hurting, my heart raising .. I started yelling looking at the ceiling .. I could not cope with what was happening, I could not control it, and was feeling embarrassed by it.

 

The situation startled me, that I was behaving in this manner, that I started crying  uncontrollably.. cry.gif
I pray that this does not happen again ..It truly was frightening to experience .. sad.gif

 

I have read about benzo rage, and wonder if that was what happened ..Can anyone here identify with this?

 

Thank you for any thoughts ...

 

Wishing well to everyone ..

 

Lexicon

Hello,
I am tapering Lorazepam, and my daily dose is 1.125 mgs.

I followed a long hold for 5 months, ( Nov-March 2019) hoping to find some stability, 

but it did not work. So I resumed my taper and hold pattern.
For the last 3 years, I have been using a daily microtaper, cutting .001mgs per day, with holds as needed.
Symptoms are head pressure, labored breathing, palpitations, abrupt surges of dizziness, this being my worst symptom for now, internal tremors, my latest nemesis, unsteadiness, anxiety, plus many other symptoms that cycle in, and cycle out consistently. Not a day passes, without grief :(

I take no other meds.

January 2013 - 15 day quick taper off 10 mgs of Lexapro, and 25 mgs of Sertraline,

at a detox clinic.

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oh I can identify so much that I started the whole thread about this under Symptoms...

 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/5230-irritability-and-anger-as-neuroemotions/

 

hope the experiences of other people bring you some comfort knowing you are not the only one going through this...

 
hugs,
bubble

Current: 9/2022 Xanax 0.08, Lexapro 2

2020 Xanax 0.26 (down from 2 mg in 2013), Lexapro 2.85 mg (down from 5 mg 2013)

Amitriptyline (tricyclic AD) and clonazepam for 3 months to treat headache in 1996 
1999. - present Xanax prn up to 3 mg.
2000-2005 Prozac CT twice, 2005-2010 Zoloft CT 3 times, 2010-2013 Escitalopram 10 mg
went from 2.5 to zero on 7 Aug 2013, bad crash 40 days after
reinstated to 5 mg Escitalopram 4Oct 2013 and holding liquid Xanax every 5 hours
28 Jan 2014 Xanax 1.9, 18 Apr  2015 1 mg,  25 June 2015 Lex 4.8, 6 Aug Lexapro 4.6, 1 Jan 2016 0.64  Xanax     9 month hold

24 Sept 2016 4.5 Lex, 17 Oct 4.4 Lex (Nov 0.63 Xanax, Dec 0.625 Xanax), 1 Jan 2017 4.3 Lex, 24 Jan 4.2, 5 Feb 4.1, 24 Mar 4 mg, 10 Apr 3.9 mg, May 3.85, June 3.8, July 3.75, 22 July 3.7, 15 Aug 3.65, 17 Sept 3.6, 1 Jan 2018 3.55, 19 Jan 3.5, 16 Mar 3.4, 14 Apr 3.3, 23 May 3.2, 16 June 3.15, 15 Jul 3.1, 31 Jul 3, 21 Aug 2.9 26 Sept 2.85, 14 Nov Xan 0.61, 1 Dec 0.59, 19 Dec 0.58, 4 Jan 0.565, 6 Feb 0.55, 20 Feb 0.535, 1 Mar 0.505, 10 Mar 0.475, 14 Mar 0.45, 4 Apr 0.415, 13 Apr 0.37, 21 Apr 0.33, 29 Apr 0.29, 10 May 0.27, 17 May 0.25, 28 May 0.22, 19 June 0.22, 21 Jun updose to 0.24, 24 Jun updose to 0.26

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I will sometimes get random surges of formless anger during a bad flare-up.  This happened regularly at the beginning of my withdrawal.  It can be very hard not to lash out, but it passes.  Glad to hear from you lexi, hope things calm down for you soon.

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Awww .. Thank you dear Bubble .. :wub:

Yes indeed , this will be of comfort and help .. I cannot wait to start reading it ..

My eyes are blurry today, and cannot concetrate .. But I am grateful for your kindness and care .. :wub:

You are a Godsend, in so many ways :) May God hold you with care, and heal you ..

 

Love, Lexicon

Hello,
I am tapering Lorazepam, and my daily dose is 1.125 mgs.

I followed a long hold for 5 months, ( Nov-March 2019) hoping to find some stability, 

but it did not work. So I resumed my taper and hold pattern.
For the last 3 years, I have been using a daily microtaper, cutting .001mgs per day, with holds as needed.
Symptoms are head pressure, labored breathing, palpitations, abrupt surges of dizziness, this being my worst symptom for now, internal tremors, my latest nemesis, unsteadiness, anxiety, plus many other symptoms that cycle in, and cycle out consistently. Not a day passes, without grief :(

I take no other meds.

January 2013 - 15 day quick taper off 10 mgs of Lexapro, and 25 mgs of Sertraline,

at a detox clinic.

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Yes Lexi… I can relate to this. I attributed my anger out breaks more to the antidepressant than the benzo.. but never the less it is quite a frightening experience & embarrassing too.

 

Another hoop to jump.

 

RU :)

Fall 1995 xanax, zoloft. switched to Serzone

1996- spring 2003serzone/ xanax/ lightbox.

b]Fall 2003- Fall 2004? Lexapro 10 mg. Light box /4 mg. xanax.[/b]

2004 - Fall of 2009 10 mg Lex, 150 mg Wellbutrin XL % 4 mg xanax

November 2009- Sept. 2011 10 mg lex., 300 Well. XL, 4 mg Xanax [/b

Sept.2012- July 2012 20 mg Lex 300 Well. XL, 4 mg Xanax

My mantra " go slow & with the flow "

3/2/13.. Began equal dosing 5 Xs /day xanax, while simultaneously incorporating a 2.5 % drop ( from 3.5 mg/day to 3.4 mg/day)

4/6/13 dropped from 300 mg. Wellbutrin XL to 150 mg. Difficult but DONE! Down to 3.3 mg xanax/ day / 6/10/13 3 mg xanax/day; 7/15/2013 2.88mg xanax/day.

10/ 1/2013...... 2.5 mg xanax… ( switched to tablets again) WOO HOO!!!!!! Holding here… cont. with Lexapro.

1/ 2/2014.. tapered to 18mg ( by weight) of a 26 mg ( by weight) pill of 20 mg tab. lexapro. goal is 13mg (by weight OR 10 mg by ingredient content) and STOPPED. Feeling very down with unbalanced, unpredictable WD symptoms.

1/2/2014- ??? Taking a brain-healing break from tapering anything after actively tapering something for 1.5 years. So… daily doses as of 2/2/2014: 18 mg by weight Lex, 150 mg Well. XL, 2.5 mg xanax, down from 26 mg by weight Lex., 300 mg well. XL, 4 mg xanax in August, 2012. I'll take it. :) 5/8/14 started equivalent dose liquid./ tabs. 5/13/14 1.5 % cut.

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Thank you for your kind words of support dear Nar ..

I am saddened that you went through this awful symptom too ..:(

I just hope that  there will be no more, as they are hard to bear.

You take care of you .. I think of you, and hold you in prayer. Wishing that we will have better days ahead .. :wub:

Love, Lexicon

Hello,
I am tapering Lorazepam, and my daily dose is 1.125 mgs.

I followed a long hold for 5 months, ( Nov-March 2019) hoping to find some stability, 

but it did not work. So I resumed my taper and hold pattern.
For the last 3 years, I have been using a daily microtaper, cutting .001mgs per day, with holds as needed.
Symptoms are head pressure, labored breathing, palpitations, abrupt surges of dizziness, this being my worst symptom for now, internal tremors, my latest nemesis, unsteadiness, anxiety, plus many other symptoms that cycle in, and cycle out consistently. Not a day passes, without grief :(

I take no other meds.

January 2013 - 15 day quick taper off 10 mgs of Lexapro, and 25 mgs of Sertraline,

at a detox clinic.

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Hi RU,

I am so sorry that you are familiar with these terrible out breaks too, and suffered through them ..:(

Did they last long for you RU?

Were they sporadic or constant?

Thank goodness that you are done with them, as they are frightening, and demeaning .. :(

Thank you for stopping by here, to support and encourage .. It truly means alot.

Wishing you many blessings of well being, and a successful taper RU.

Love, Lexi

Hello,
I am tapering Lorazepam, and my daily dose is 1.125 mgs.

I followed a long hold for 5 months, ( Nov-March 2019) hoping to find some stability, 

but it did not work. So I resumed my taper and hold pattern.
For the last 3 years, I have been using a daily microtaper, cutting .001mgs per day, with holds as needed.
Symptoms are head pressure, labored breathing, palpitations, abrupt surges of dizziness, this being my worst symptom for now, internal tremors, my latest nemesis, unsteadiness, anxiety, plus many other symptoms that cycle in, and cycle out consistently. Not a day passes, without grief :(

I take no other meds.

January 2013 - 15 day quick taper off 10 mgs of Lexapro, and 25 mgs of Sertraline,

at a detox clinic.

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Hello,

I need some help to understand what is happening please ..

For the last 3 weeks,  I get ill and debilitated after dosing the 3 pm dose ..

 

The back of my head has severe pressure, my sinus gets plugged up, depression and crying hits, I get dizzy and unsteady, my BP becomes unstable, my breathing labored, my vision gets blurry, my mouth fills with access saliva ..

 

Most of these symptoms are always there, but they get more pronounced after this dosing. 

 

My next dose is at 8 pm, and after dosing it, these symptoms continue, until I go to bed ..

 

In the morning, I experience the same symptoms, after the 6 am dose .. It used to be that my mornings were tolerable, and my time to feel some peacefullness ..

 

Now, the whole day is suffering .. :( I have become isolated, and housebound .. :(

 

Any thoughts as to why this is, will be appreciated ..

 

Wishing wellness, and healing thoughts to everyone ..

 

Thank you. Lexi

Hello,
I am tapering Lorazepam, and my daily dose is 1.125 mgs.

I followed a long hold for 5 months, ( Nov-March 2019) hoping to find some stability, 

but it did not work. So I resumed my taper and hold pattern.
For the last 3 years, I have been using a daily microtaper, cutting .001mgs per day, with holds as needed.
Symptoms are head pressure, labored breathing, palpitations, abrupt surges of dizziness, this being my worst symptom for now, internal tremors, my latest nemesis, unsteadiness, anxiety, plus many other symptoms that cycle in, and cycle out consistently. Not a day passes, without grief :(

I take no other meds.

January 2013 - 15 day quick taper off 10 mgs of Lexapro, and 25 mgs of Sertraline,

at a detox clinic.

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. It used to be that my mornings were tolerable, and my time to feel some peacefullness ..

Lexi… in response to your previous post which I just now saw regarding anger outbursts, they were , are and remain sporadic. I thought that I was done with them since it had been so long, but now that I am back tapering the AD, the sporadic anger is also back.

 

I don't have to have an outburst, sometimes I can even wake up pissed off especially if I wake up after a dream where I was angry at something. Not a great way to start my day. I don't know which is worse; being ANGRY at the world or being DEPRESSED… both emotions are ones I experience while tapering lexapro.

 

In regard to your last post, Lexi, I have no words of wisdom but noticed that these symptoms were better before. That is a good sign and the fact that you are experiencing less desirable symptoms fit the windows and waves patterns.

 

This is similar to what I have been experiencing with anger, depression, then better etc etc. and although VERY difficult to bear, are something at least I have resigned myself to. I hate it but keep the end in mind.

 

Wishing you better days ahead …. RU :)

Fall 1995 xanax, zoloft. switched to Serzone

1996- spring 2003serzone/ xanax/ lightbox.

b]Fall 2003- Fall 2004? Lexapro 10 mg. Light box /4 mg. xanax.[/b]

2004 - Fall of 2009 10 mg Lex, 150 mg Wellbutrin XL % 4 mg xanax

November 2009- Sept. 2011 10 mg lex., 300 Well. XL, 4 mg Xanax [/b

Sept.2012- July 2012 20 mg Lex 300 Well. XL, 4 mg Xanax

My mantra " go slow & with the flow "

3/2/13.. Began equal dosing 5 Xs /day xanax, while simultaneously incorporating a 2.5 % drop ( from 3.5 mg/day to 3.4 mg/day)

4/6/13 dropped from 300 mg. Wellbutrin XL to 150 mg. Difficult but DONE! Down to 3.3 mg xanax/ day / 6/10/13 3 mg xanax/day; 7/15/2013 2.88mg xanax/day.

10/ 1/2013...... 2.5 mg xanax… ( switched to tablets again) WOO HOO!!!!!! Holding here… cont. with Lexapro.

1/ 2/2014.. tapered to 18mg ( by weight) of a 26 mg ( by weight) pill of 20 mg tab. lexapro. goal is 13mg (by weight OR 10 mg by ingredient content) and STOPPED. Feeling very down with unbalanced, unpredictable WD symptoms.

1/2/2014- ??? Taking a brain-healing break from tapering anything after actively tapering something for 1.5 years. So… daily doses as of 2/2/2014: 18 mg by weight Lex, 150 mg Well. XL, 2.5 mg xanax, down from 26 mg by weight Lex., 300 mg well. XL, 4 mg xanax in August, 2012. I'll take it. :) 5/8/14 started equivalent dose liquid./ tabs. 5/13/14 1.5 % cut.

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Hi Lexicon....

 

The anger outbursts are absolutely part of the WD process.  I learned that years back from my own bouts which resulted form agitation.  I was on another forum and I learned about it there as well.

 

I am sorry I don't know much about benzo's.  Maybe you can PM one the members who has experience with this.  People here are so kind and respond back right away.

 

RU brought up the waves and patterns and maybe that is what is happening.  It will pass....but I know it's tough while going thru it.

 

I would like to ask you about the detox taper from Lexapro and Zoloft. 

 

"January 2013 - 15 day quick taper off 10 mgs of Lexapro, and 25 mgs of Sertraline,
at a detox clinic."

 

Hugs

 

What was that like?    I have read about other people going thru this.

Intro: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1902-nikki-hi-my-rundown-with-ads/

 

Paxil 1997-2004

Crossed over to Lexapro Paxil not available

at Pharmacies GSK halted deliveries

Lexapro 40mgs

Lexapro taper (2years)

Imipramine

Imipramine and Celexa

Now Nefazadone/Imipramine 50mgs. each

45mgs. Serzone  50mgs. Imipramine

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Thank you RU,

 

You are always so kind and sweet ..Thank you for your support, and comfort ..

 

It means so much ..It makes sense the way that you are explaining what likely is happening .. I pray that you are right RU ..

 

I am sorry that you are going through this crap too ..It is hard to bear, day after day .. :(

 

I am grateful that you shared your thoughts ..

 

Wishing you blessings of well being and peacefullness ..

Lexicon

Hello,
I am tapering Lorazepam, and my daily dose is 1.125 mgs.

I followed a long hold for 5 months, ( Nov-March 2019) hoping to find some stability, 

but it did not work. So I resumed my taper and hold pattern.
For the last 3 years, I have been using a daily microtaper, cutting .001mgs per day, with holds as needed.
Symptoms are head pressure, labored breathing, palpitations, abrupt surges of dizziness, this being my worst symptom for now, internal tremors, my latest nemesis, unsteadiness, anxiety, plus many other symptoms that cycle in, and cycle out consistently. Not a day passes, without grief :(

I take no other meds.

January 2013 - 15 day quick taper off 10 mgs of Lexapro, and 25 mgs of Sertraline,

at a detox clinic.

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You are so welcome Lexi.  RU

Fall 1995 xanax, zoloft. switched to Serzone

1996- spring 2003serzone/ xanax/ lightbox.

b]Fall 2003- Fall 2004? Lexapro 10 mg. Light box /4 mg. xanax.[/b]

2004 - Fall of 2009 10 mg Lex, 150 mg Wellbutrin XL % 4 mg xanax

November 2009- Sept. 2011 10 mg lex., 300 Well. XL, 4 mg Xanax [/b

Sept.2012- July 2012 20 mg Lex 300 Well. XL, 4 mg Xanax

My mantra " go slow & with the flow "

3/2/13.. Began equal dosing 5 Xs /day xanax, while simultaneously incorporating a 2.5 % drop ( from 3.5 mg/day to 3.4 mg/day)

4/6/13 dropped from 300 mg. Wellbutrin XL to 150 mg. Difficult but DONE! Down to 3.3 mg xanax/ day / 6/10/13 3 mg xanax/day; 7/15/2013 2.88mg xanax/day.

10/ 1/2013...... 2.5 mg xanax… ( switched to tablets again) WOO HOO!!!!!! Holding here… cont. with Lexapro.

1/ 2/2014.. tapered to 18mg ( by weight) of a 26 mg ( by weight) pill of 20 mg tab. lexapro. goal is 13mg (by weight OR 10 mg by ingredient content) and STOPPED. Feeling very down with unbalanced, unpredictable WD symptoms.

1/2/2014- ??? Taking a brain-healing break from tapering anything after actively tapering something for 1.5 years. So… daily doses as of 2/2/2014: 18 mg by weight Lex, 150 mg Well. XL, 2.5 mg xanax, down from 26 mg by weight Lex., 300 mg well. XL, 4 mg xanax in August, 2012. I'll take it. :) 5/8/14 started equivalent dose liquid./ tabs. 5/13/14 1.5 % cut.

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though there's no place to get to.
Don't try to see through the distances.
That's not for human beings.
Move within,
But don't move the way fear makes you move.
We are the mirror as well as the face of it.
We are tasting the taste this minute of eternity.
We are pain and what cures pain, both.
We are the sweet cold water and the jar that pours.
I want to hold you close like a lute,
so that we can cry out with loving.
Would you rather throw stones at a mirror?
I am your mirror and here are the stones.
~ Jalal Ud Deen Rumi

Hello,
I am tapering Lorazepam, and my daily dose is 1.125 mgs.

I followed a long hold for 5 months, ( Nov-March 2019) hoping to find some stability, 

but it did not work. So I resumed my taper and hold pattern.
For the last 3 years, I have been using a daily microtaper, cutting .001mgs per day, with holds as needed.
Symptoms are head pressure, labored breathing, palpitations, abrupt surges of dizziness, this being my worst symptom for now, internal tremors, my latest nemesis, unsteadiness, anxiety, plus many other symptoms that cycle in, and cycle out consistently. Not a day passes, without grief :(

I take no other meds.

January 2013 - 15 day quick taper off 10 mgs of Lexapro, and 25 mgs of Sertraline,

at a detox clinic.

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mmmm I love Rumi, thank you Lexi!

 

Hang in there. I really think that you cut the Ativan very fast and since you were already still unstable from your CT last year it has just thrown you back into neurological instability and chaos. You will probably experience these windows and waves for a while.

 

I would give it at least two months, and keep a daily log of symptoms, ranking them on a number scale of 1 for no symptoms and 5 for the worst ever. After two months of holding, no medication changes, look back over your log and see if there has been improvement. If there has, then continue to hold until the improvement seems to level off (the numbers are the same for two weeks in a row or so).

 

It is important to keep this log, because when we are in withdrawal our brains aren't working properly and we cannot rely on our memories to tell us how things are going.

Started on Prozac and Xanax in 1992 for PTSD after an assault. One drug led to more, the usual story. Got sicker and sicker, but believed I needed the drugs for my "underlying disease". Long story...lost everything. Life savings, home, physical and mental health, relationships, friendships, ability to work, everything. Amitryptiline, Prozac, bupropion, buspirone, flurazepam, diazepam, alprazolam, Paxil, citalopram, lamotrigine, gabapentin...probably more I've forgotten. 

Started multidrug taper in Feb 2010.  Doing a very slow microtaper, down to low doses now and feeling SO much better, getting my old personality and my brain back! Able to work full time, have a full social life, and cope with stress better than ever. Not perfect, but much better. After 23 lost years. Big Pharma has a lot to answer for. And "medicine for profit" is just not a great idea.

 

Feb 15 2010:  300 mg Neurontin  200 Lamictal   10 Celexa      0.65 Xanax   and 5 mg Ambien 

Feb 10 2014:   62 Lamictal    1.1 Celexa         0.135 Xanax    1.8 Valium

Feb 10 2015:   50 Lamictal      0.875 Celexa    0.11 Xanax      1.5 Valium

Feb 15 2016:   47.5 Lamictal   0.75 Celexa      0.0875 Xanax    1.42 Valium    

2/12/20             12                       0.045               0.007                   1 

May 2021            7                       0.01                  0.0037                1

Feb 2022            6                      0!!!                     0.00167               0.98                2.5 mg Ambien

Oct 2022       4.5 mg Lamictal    (off Celexa, off Xanax)   0.95 Valium    Ambien, 1/4 to 1/2 of a 5 mg tablet 

 

I'm not a doctor. Any advice I give is just my civilian opinion.

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Thank you very much Rhi,

I appreciate your time, your wisdom, and common sense ..

You are going through a tough time, yet you are available to lift somaone else up .. :wub:

Rhi, holding this far, has not been productive .. I get symptoms old and new .. Plus some frightening sensations .. :(

I will continue to hold, looking for that elusive improvement in symptoms .. If by the grace of God is there, I know the next step ..

 

But in the event that there is no change, where do I go from there?

 

Take care Rhi, thank you for your care .. May your reward be divine ..

 

Lexi

Hello,
I am tapering Lorazepam, and my daily dose is 1.125 mgs.

I followed a long hold for 5 months, ( Nov-March 2019) hoping to find some stability, 

but it did not work. So I resumed my taper and hold pattern.
For the last 3 years, I have been using a daily microtaper, cutting .001mgs per day, with holds as needed.
Symptoms are head pressure, labored breathing, palpitations, abrupt surges of dizziness, this being my worst symptom for now, internal tremors, my latest nemesis, unsteadiness, anxiety, plus many other symptoms that cycle in, and cycle out consistently. Not a day passes, without grief :(

I take no other meds.

January 2013 - 15 day quick taper off 10 mgs of Lexapro, and 25 mgs of Sertraline,

at a detox clinic.

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Hello everyone ..

 

These last 3 weeks, while holding a cut and experiencing a multitude of symptoms, some old some new, one of the new symptoms is that after I take the 3 pm dose, they multiply in intensity ..

My usual head sensations feel like they come alive, with sizzling noises, fullness, pressure .. This lasts past the 8 pm dose ..

 

Why is that? Does anyone have an idea, or thought?

 

I am holding the Ativan taper, because I am told that the CT a year ago made my CNS very unstable .

:( I hold and symptoms get worse, and I do not stabilize .. My vision is getting worse .. My heart and BP are unstable .. I cannot breathe ..I am housebound ..I feel hopeless, and lost .. Then there is this depression and constant crying :(

I will be so very grateful if someone could offer some explanation, as to the uptick after dosing.

Holding everyone here in thought and prayer ..

Love, Lexi

Hello,
I am tapering Lorazepam, and my daily dose is 1.125 mgs.

I followed a long hold for 5 months, ( Nov-March 2019) hoping to find some stability, 

but it did not work. So I resumed my taper and hold pattern.
For the last 3 years, I have been using a daily microtaper, cutting .001mgs per day, with holds as needed.
Symptoms are head pressure, labored breathing, palpitations, abrupt surges of dizziness, this being my worst symptom for now, internal tremors, my latest nemesis, unsteadiness, anxiety, plus many other symptoms that cycle in, and cycle out consistently. Not a day passes, without grief :(

I take no other meds.

January 2013 - 15 day quick taper off 10 mgs of Lexapro, and 25 mgs of Sertraline,

at a detox clinic.

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Hello,

I need some help to understand what is happening please ..

For the last 3 weeks,  I get ill and debilitated after dosing the 3 pm dose ..

 

The back of my head has severe pressure, my sinus gets plugged up, depression and crying hits, I get dizzy and unsteady, my BP becomes unstable, my breathing labored, my vision gets blurry, my mouth fills with access saliva ..

 

Most of these symptoms are always there, but they get more pronounced after this dosing. 

 

My next dose is at 8 pm, and after dosing it, these symptoms continue, until I go to bed ..

 

In the morning, I experience the same symptoms, after the 6 am dose .. It used to be that my mornings were tolerable, and my time to feel some peacefullness ..

 

Now, the whole day is suffering .. I have become isolated, and housebound ..

 

Any thoughts as to why this is, will be appreciated ..

 

 

Dear Lexi,

 

I see there is one issue you've been struggling with that was left unanswered. It must be awful to experience such nasty symptoms without getting any relief for so long. So your question is whether decreasing would help you because holding doesn't seem to do the trick. 

 

As you know I'm relatively new on the forum so don't know nowhere near as much about WD as for instance Rhi. But what can maybe help you is my own experience: in a way I'm in a very similar situation as you although my symptoms are not so awfully harsh as yours. I think Ativan is also a benzo like Xanax that I'm taking and I have also spread out my dosing throughout the day. I know you went off of 10 mg Lexapro in 15 days ( I went off of 5 mg in 15 days and was in total agony but reinstated. I can't even imagine how I would have survived going off of 10 mg in that time...)

 

 

 

Anyway, a month ago I felt exactly like you: I felt like Xanax was actually the cause of my pronounced symptoms in the form of extreme listlessness and heart palpitations I experienced for the first time in my life so I desperately wanted to reduce it at least by 5 %. I got the same advice as you: increase in the symptoms is an indication that I should actually hold and not decrease. I resisted that strong temptation to decrease and stayed on the same dose regardless of my symptoms. Gradually palpitations stopped, my energy is still very low but it's bearable. 

 

 

 

I can't give you much more than sharing this experience. 

 

 

 

You have been holding for much longer than me and your symptoms seem to be harsher than mine, so I can't even imagine how hard not doing anything can be for you...BUT while we don't do anything about our medication there is a whole lot of other things that can help. Instead of obsessing about Xanax, I start obsessing about supplements. Are you taking any? Also reading posts on meditation, yoga, breathing, physical exercise, diet...

 

 

 

Can we agree that you post your question on your thread and see what others say about why you feel so bad after taking that afternoon dose?... Maybe it's actually not drug related in the immediate cause and effect way but just a way your wave rides? 

 

 

 

also how long has it been that your symptoms have increased so badly? Are you still holding that same those from the end of September without having stabilised? One could say that the second cut on Sept. 12th might have been too soon for you but it is really reasonable to expect that you would stabilise in 4 months since then ;( I notice that people sometimes make mistakes when preparing a solution, accidentally, put more or less, etc. So it would be important to know when your symptoms got worse. Have they been exactly the same since the last cut in September? Or is it more windows and waves. Maybe you simply need more time to recover than is usually said (1 month after the last cut) because of that awful experience with Lexapro. Maybe what you are experiencing is protracted withdrawal from abrupt discontinuation of Lexapro? (I'm just throwing in some ideas). 

 

 

 

You know what I found miraculous: how my symptoms go away or at least diminish WITHOUT changing anything about the drug. Can you try to tough it out a bit longer? They have to diminish sooner or later. It's just a question of who will be more stubborn: you or the symptoms. In the meantime try to focus on taking magnesium if you are not taking it already, or taking a bath when the wave hits, do something to counteract it and distract you no matter how hard it may seem. Try to leave a house at least for a few minutes and go for a slow and gentle walk when you don't feel so bad. This should move your focus away from Ativan.

 

 

 

I wish I could say more ;( 

 

 

 

I would very much like to read what others have to say on this.

 

hugs,

 

bubble

 

 

Current: 9/2022 Xanax 0.08, Lexapro 2

2020 Xanax 0.26 (down from 2 mg in 2013), Lexapro 2.85 mg (down from 5 mg 2013)

Amitriptyline (tricyclic AD) and clonazepam for 3 months to treat headache in 1996 
1999. - present Xanax prn up to 3 mg.
2000-2005 Prozac CT twice, 2005-2010 Zoloft CT 3 times, 2010-2013 Escitalopram 10 mg
went from 2.5 to zero on 7 Aug 2013, bad crash 40 days after
reinstated to 5 mg Escitalopram 4Oct 2013 and holding liquid Xanax every 5 hours
28 Jan 2014 Xanax 1.9, 18 Apr  2015 1 mg,  25 June 2015 Lex 4.8, 6 Aug Lexapro 4.6, 1 Jan 2016 0.64  Xanax     9 month hold

24 Sept 2016 4.5 Lex, 17 Oct 4.4 Lex (Nov 0.63 Xanax, Dec 0.625 Xanax), 1 Jan 2017 4.3 Lex, 24 Jan 4.2, 5 Feb 4.1, 24 Mar 4 mg, 10 Apr 3.9 mg, May 3.85, June 3.8, July 3.75, 22 July 3.7, 15 Aug 3.65, 17 Sept 3.6, 1 Jan 2018 3.55, 19 Jan 3.5, 16 Mar 3.4, 14 Apr 3.3, 23 May 3.2, 16 June 3.15, 15 Jul 3.1, 31 Jul 3, 21 Aug 2.9 26 Sept 2.85, 14 Nov Xan 0.61, 1 Dec 0.59, 19 Dec 0.58, 4 Jan 0.565, 6 Feb 0.55, 20 Feb 0.535, 1 Mar 0.505, 10 Mar 0.475, 14 Mar 0.45, 4 Apr 0.415, 13 Apr 0.37, 21 Apr 0.33, 29 Apr 0.29, 10 May 0.27, 17 May 0.25, 28 May 0.22, 19 June 0.22, 21 Jun updose to 0.24, 24 Jun updose to 0.26

Supplements: Omega 3 + Vit E, Vit C, D, magnesium, Taurine, probiotic 

I'm not a medical professional. Any advice I give is based on my own experience and reading. 

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Aww, Bubble,

 

your kindness and compassion in trying to get some answers for me just made me cry..

 

Here you are, going through your own troubles, yet you run to offer help ..

 

I thank you so much for your efforts. :wub:

 

Hopefully we will get some people stopping by, to share their thoughts about this quandary I am in ..

 

Wishing you many blessings .. Blessings of well being, peacefullness, joy and healing ..

 

Love, and many hugs, Lexi

Hello,
I am tapering Lorazepam, and my daily dose is 1.125 mgs.

I followed a long hold for 5 months, ( Nov-March 2019) hoping to find some stability, 

but it did not work. So I resumed my taper and hold pattern.
For the last 3 years, I have been using a daily microtaper, cutting .001mgs per day, with holds as needed.
Symptoms are head pressure, labored breathing, palpitations, abrupt surges of dizziness, this being my worst symptom for now, internal tremors, my latest nemesis, unsteadiness, anxiety, plus many other symptoms that cycle in, and cycle out consistently. Not a day passes, without grief :(

I take no other meds.

January 2013 - 15 day quick taper off 10 mgs of Lexapro, and 25 mgs of Sertraline,

at a detox clinic.

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Hi Lexi, I am so sorry that you are feeling so bad. I'm not sure your symptoms are related to the timing of your ativan doses,

I think it may be coincidental because you are taking 5 doses a day it is a pretty constant level.

 I suspect that the rapid detox this month has a lot to do with how you are feeling now.

Getting off AD's isn't just getting them out of the system, if only it was the case I would be there in a heartbeat! 

 

The brain and nervous system has to learn how to function without the chemicals that have been changing them.

I think that clinic has done you more harm than good, they should be hung out to dry for not doing enough research

and making false promises about detoxing. The patient leaflet for  lexapro says it must be decreased gradually,

these people should know all this.  It also says not to be prescribed with other SSRIs and you were taking sertralene too.

Honestly, there is no wonder you are feeling so bad! I am angry on your behalf   :angry: .

 

Could you tell us a bit about the detox, how it went, how long it took etc? It would be interesting to hear your experience

and what they promised you. I think I would consider reinstating one of them as it is fairly recent, but can't say which would be best,

I think this is one for Alto. I know very little about benzos so can't really say that it definitely wouldn't be affecting you,

but my guess is that it's the laxapro and sertralene withdrawal I really feel for you and wish I could help. 

 

I hope that you can find some peace and strength to cope with what is happening, it will get better but takes time. 

Sending you a heartfelt Mamma hug. x

**I am not a medical professional, if in doubt please consult a doctor with withdrawal knowledge.

 

 

Different drugs occasionally (mostly benzos) 1976 - 1981 (no problem)

1993 - 2002 in and out of hospital. every type of drug + ECT. Staring with seroxat

2002  effexor. 

Tapered  March 2012 to March 2013, ending with 5 beads.

Withdrawal April 2013 . Reinstated 5 beads reduced to 4 beads May 2013

Restarted taper  Nov 2013  

OFF EFFEXOR Feb 2015    :D 

Tapered atenolol and omeprazole Dec 2013 - May 2014

 

Tapering tramadol, Feb 2015 100mg , March 2015 50mg  

 July 2017 30mg.  May 15 2018 25mg

Taking fish oil, magnesium, B12, folic acid, bilberry eyebright for eye pressure. 

 

My story http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4199-hello-mammap-checking-in/page-33

 

Lesson learned, slow down taper at lower doses. Taper no more than 10% of CURRENT dose if possible

 

 

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Hi Lexi,

 

I'm sorry you are having another wave of symptoms, I know how confusing this can be, I've been going through a similar thing since 2010 when I quit Lexapro much too fast.  I've been completely medication free since May last year, and I'm still getting a lot of symptoms which come and go in waves, change from week to week, day to day.  Some of them arrive in predictable patterns and some of them arrive in changing patterns.  I get completely new symptoms which arrive suddenly, stay for a couple of days, then disappear and I have no idea if its connected with withdrawal or something else.

 

I have agoraphobia which is dictated completely by my current pattern of symptoms, if I'm feeling bad, I don't go out because I've learned that going out when feeling bad makes everything worse.

 

There have been stages of my recovery process where I have absolutely had to go out when I've been feeling very ill and I believe that forcing myself to do this has increased stress and set me back at times.

 

But when there is a small window of feeling better and sometimes its just a slight movement away from feeling awful, if I push myself to go outside, go for a little walk, buy a few things from the local store, just that act of being part of the outside world again, gives me a little lift and hope comes back.

 

Like you, I also feel very isolated.  In reality, I regularly have contact with several people, but I have DP/DR, so this makes me feel very disconnected from not only myself, but from everything around me, including other people. This symptom also fluctuates in waves.  When its bad, its very frightening to be outside or even around people I know well because everything feels so strange.  This is slowly improving, but like all my symptoms, they improve for a while, but then I will be hit with a wave of several of them at once.  I few weeks ago, I was generally sleeping very well, but now, my sleep is all over the place, keep waking up all night.  Waking up at 3am and not being able to go back to sleep. Vivid, disturbing dreams.

 

I'm writing about myself because I think the cause of your current symptoms, like me, is related more to protracted withdrawal from your almost cold turkey withdrawal from the anti-depressants last year, rather than your ativan tapering schedule.

 

I'm not tapering anything, but I still get symptoms which come in waves.  I have intermittent sinus problems.  At the moment, I'm not having that particular symptom, but a few weeks ago it was driving me crazy.  I couldn't figure out what was going on.  Suddenly, my nose would get blocked up after being fine all day. Then, a couple of hours later, it would be clear.  This went on for about 10 days.  I thought it was connected with milk and stopped drinking it, but it made no difference.

 

I've had this weird sinus problem occur often over the last 3 years. Have given up milk 4 times, thinking it was connected, but its not.  I also have a problem with phlegm in my throat, sometimes it suddenly gets very thick, I can't connect it with anything.  Sometimes it seems to be connected with what I eat, but other times not.  Sometimes it gets bad whenever I get in my car and drive somewhere, but not if I walk somewhere.  Sometimes talking will do it, other times not..... this is slowly improving though.

 

Like you, I've had problems with my sense of smell.  Not exactly the same, but similar.  I'm very sensitive to all smells actually and I can't stand even the slightest bad smell, my garbage gets taken out more often now than any other time in my life.  With strong chemical smells, I end up tasting them for hours.  If I walk past someone wearing strong perfume, I will 'taste' it for a while after.

 

 

 Maybe what you are experiencing is protracted withdrawal from abrupt discontinuation of Lexapro? (I'm just throwing in some ideas). 

 

 

 

You know what I found miraculous: how my symptoms go away or at least diminish WITHOUT changing anything about the drug. Can you try to tough it out a bit longer? They have to diminish sooner or later. It's just a question of who will be more stubborn: you or the symptoms. In the meantime try to focus on taking magnesium if you are not taking it already, or taking a bath when the wave hits, do something to counteract it and distract you no matter how hard it may seem. Try to leave a house at least for a few minutes and go for a slow and gentle walk when you don't feel so bad. This should move your focus away from Ativan.

 

 

 

I tend to agree with what Bubble wrote above.  I don't think you were ready to start reducing Ativan, it sounds to me like you never stabilized from withdrawal from Lexapro and Sertraline.  Every change in medications, supplements, diet, daily routine and lifestyle can cause an increase in symptoms in a destabilized nervous system.  There are changes within our bodies and outside in the atmosphere which we are not aware of, which also effect a destabilized nervous system.

 

I wish I could tell you what has caused this latest change in your pattern of symptoms, maybe it is related to the Ativan in some way, but if it was, then you would get the same reaction with each dose.

 

Bubble has given you some good advice.  If I were you, I would not reduce the Ativan, keep holding and do everything you can to reduce stress, relax, take care of yourself, stay calm, find some little pleasures and comfort in the day any way you can.  You are in protracted withdrawal from anti-depressants.  At the moment, there is no cure other than time, its going to take as long as it takes.  All we can do is manage our symptoms the best we can, be patient, count our blessings and hold onto faith.

 

I've always been a 'half glass full' kind of person, and this experience has really put that to the test, but I can't help regularly feeling grateful that this new phenomena of anti-depressant withdrawal has arrived in our culture at the same time in history as the internet, so even though there isn't yet any treatment, at least we can find some understanding and support.

 

Hugs

Petu.

 

 

I'm not a doctor.  My comments are not medical advise. These are my opinions based on my own experience and what I've learned. Please discuss your situation with a medical practitioner who has knowledge of tapering and withdrawal...if you are lucky enough to find one.

My Introduction Thread

Full Drug and Withdrawal History

Brief Summary

Several SSRIs for 13 years starting 1997 (for mild to moderate partly situational anxiety) Xanax PRN ~ Various other drugs over the years for side effects

2 month 'taper' off Lexapro 2010

Short acute withdrawal, followed by 2 -3 months of improvement then delayed protracted withdrawal

DX ADHD followed by several years of stimulants and other drugs trying to manage increasing symptoms

Failed reinstatement of Lexapro and trial of Prozac (became suicidal)

May 2013 Found SA, learned about withdrawal, stopped taking drugs...healing begins.

Protracted withdrawal, with a very sensitized nervous system, slowly recovering as time passes

Supplements which have helped: Vitamin C, Magnesium, Taurine

Bad reactions: Many supplements but mostly fish oil and Vitamin D

June 2016 - Started daily juicing, mostly vegetables and lots of greens.

Aug 2016 - Oct 2016 Best window ever, felt almost completely recovered

Oct 2016 -Symptoms returned - bad days and less bad days.

April 2018 - No windows, but significant improvement, it feels like permanent full recovery is close.

VIDEO: Where did the chemical imbalance theory come from?



VIDEO: How are psychiatric diagnoses made?



VIDEO: Why do psychiatric drugs have withdrawal syndromes?



VIDEO: Can psychiatric drugs cause long-lasting negative effects?

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oh Petu,this is so beautiful and detailed.Helping me also and I believe it will give new strength to Lexicon.

 

I particularly like the connection you make between the age that brought us ADs but also the Internet so that we can give each other strength and understanding. Going through this alone and trying to explain it to our loved ones would add 10 times more horror to our experience and increase our since of isolation. On one hand, I'm a bit scared that A FORUM has come to mean so much to me but it has undoubtedly added a new quality to my life deeply overcast with the dark shadows of ADs and benzos.I value my real-life friends and family but I long ago stopped telling them about things nobody who hasn't experienced them can understand.

 

MammaP,I think Lexicon went through that scarry detox programme in January 2013. (maybe it would be good to send them a letter from a "happy' customer.I also can't believe they sell any kind of 'expertise' while they should be sued for malpractice!

 

Dear Lexicon,this too shall pass.Hang in there while we are here for you.

 

Big hug,

bubble

Current: 9/2022 Xanax 0.08, Lexapro 2

2020 Xanax 0.26 (down from 2 mg in 2013), Lexapro 2.85 mg (down from 5 mg 2013)

Amitriptyline (tricyclic AD) and clonazepam for 3 months to treat headache in 1996 
1999. - present Xanax prn up to 3 mg.
2000-2005 Prozac CT twice, 2005-2010 Zoloft CT 3 times, 2010-2013 Escitalopram 10 mg
went from 2.5 to zero on 7 Aug 2013, bad crash 40 days after
reinstated to 5 mg Escitalopram 4Oct 2013 and holding liquid Xanax every 5 hours
28 Jan 2014 Xanax 1.9, 18 Apr  2015 1 mg,  25 June 2015 Lex 4.8, 6 Aug Lexapro 4.6, 1 Jan 2016 0.64  Xanax     9 month hold

24 Sept 2016 4.5 Lex, 17 Oct 4.4 Lex (Nov 0.63 Xanax, Dec 0.625 Xanax), 1 Jan 2017 4.3 Lex, 24 Jan 4.2, 5 Feb 4.1, 24 Mar 4 mg, 10 Apr 3.9 mg, May 3.85, June 3.8, July 3.75, 22 July 3.7, 15 Aug 3.65, 17 Sept 3.6, 1 Jan 2018 3.55, 19 Jan 3.5, 16 Mar 3.4, 14 Apr 3.3, 23 May 3.2, 16 June 3.15, 15 Jul 3.1, 31 Jul 3, 21 Aug 2.9 26 Sept 2.85, 14 Nov Xan 0.61, 1 Dec 0.59, 19 Dec 0.58, 4 Jan 0.565, 6 Feb 0.55, 20 Feb 0.535, 1 Mar 0.505, 10 Mar 0.475, 14 Mar 0.45, 4 Apr 0.415, 13 Apr 0.37, 21 Apr 0.33, 29 Apr 0.29, 10 May 0.27, 17 May 0.25, 28 May 0.22, 19 June 0.22, 21 Jun updose to 0.24, 24 Jun updose to 0.26

Supplements: Omega 3 + Vit E, Vit C, D, magnesium, Taurine, probiotic 

I'm not a medical professional. Any advice I give is based on my own experience and reading. 

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I just realised my mistake Lexi, My brain hasn't moved on into 2014 yet and I thought your detox 

was this month. My apologies  :blush: .   And I suggested reinstatement   :wacko: .

 

I hope you are having a better day today. I must read things properly and get my dates right in future! 

**I am not a medical professional, if in doubt please consult a doctor with withdrawal knowledge.

 

 

Different drugs occasionally (mostly benzos) 1976 - 1981 (no problem)

1993 - 2002 in and out of hospital. every type of drug + ECT. Staring with seroxat

2002  effexor. 

Tapered  March 2012 to March 2013, ending with 5 beads.

Withdrawal April 2013 . Reinstated 5 beads reduced to 4 beads May 2013

Restarted taper  Nov 2013  

OFF EFFEXOR Feb 2015    :D 

Tapered atenolol and omeprazole Dec 2013 - May 2014

 

Tapering tramadol, Feb 2015 100mg , March 2015 50mg  

 July 2017 30mg.  May 15 2018 25mg

Taking fish oil, magnesium, B12, folic acid, bilberry eyebright for eye pressure. 

 

My story http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4199-hello-mammap-checking-in/page-33

 

Lesson learned, slow down taper at lower doses. Taper no more than 10% of CURRENT dose if possible

 

 

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There is no need for concerns dear mammaP ..:)

I knew what you meant, and was touched by the fact that you took the time to respond and encourage ..

 

Thank you, you are a loving and caring soul, and I feel blessed that you are here, to offer warmth, gentleness, and comfort,

to so many of us, while going through your own trials ..

 

I cannot reach you to hug you, and so, I will hold you in thought and prayer.

Stay well, dear mammaP .. :wub:

 

Love, Lexi

Hello,
I am tapering Lorazepam, and my daily dose is 1.125 mgs.

I followed a long hold for 5 months, ( Nov-March 2019) hoping to find some stability, 

but it did not work. So I resumed my taper and hold pattern.
For the last 3 years, I have been using a daily microtaper, cutting .001mgs per day, with holds as needed.
Symptoms are head pressure, labored breathing, palpitations, abrupt surges of dizziness, this being my worst symptom for now, internal tremors, my latest nemesis, unsteadiness, anxiety, plus many other symptoms that cycle in, and cycle out consistently. Not a day passes, without grief :(

I take no other meds.

January 2013 - 15 day quick taper off 10 mgs of Lexapro, and 25 mgs of Sertraline,

at a detox clinic.

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Bubble, you are a sweet dear to us all ..

 

You remind me of an angel, fluttering here and there, touching each of us, with caring and comfort.

 

May the grace of God keep you safe, well, and healed ..

 

Sending you many hugs, across the miles .. :wub:

 

Love, Lexi

Hello,
I am tapering Lorazepam, and my daily dose is 1.125 mgs.

I followed a long hold for 5 months, ( Nov-March 2019) hoping to find some stability, 

but it did not work. So I resumed my taper and hold pattern.
For the last 3 years, I have been using a daily microtaper, cutting .001mgs per day, with holds as needed.
Symptoms are head pressure, labored breathing, palpitations, abrupt surges of dizziness, this being my worst symptom for now, internal tremors, my latest nemesis, unsteadiness, anxiety, plus many other symptoms that cycle in, and cycle out consistently. Not a day passes, without grief :(

I take no other meds.

January 2013 - 15 day quick taper off 10 mgs of Lexapro, and 25 mgs of Sertraline,

at a detox clinic.

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This is so nice of you Lexy ;)

 

The only way I can reciprocate the kindness of receiving support when in distress is to offer some support in return.

 

That's the least I can do and I'm so happy we can give you some comfort. I'm sure the nasty symptoms will diminish soon...

 

hugs,

bubble

Current: 9/2022 Xanax 0.08, Lexapro 2

2020 Xanax 0.26 (down from 2 mg in 2013), Lexapro 2.85 mg (down from 5 mg 2013)

Amitriptyline (tricyclic AD) and clonazepam for 3 months to treat headache in 1996 
1999. - present Xanax prn up to 3 mg.
2000-2005 Prozac CT twice, 2005-2010 Zoloft CT 3 times, 2010-2013 Escitalopram 10 mg
went from 2.5 to zero on 7 Aug 2013, bad crash 40 days after
reinstated to 5 mg Escitalopram 4Oct 2013 and holding liquid Xanax every 5 hours
28 Jan 2014 Xanax 1.9, 18 Apr  2015 1 mg,  25 June 2015 Lex 4.8, 6 Aug Lexapro 4.6, 1 Jan 2016 0.64  Xanax     9 month hold

24 Sept 2016 4.5 Lex, 17 Oct 4.4 Lex (Nov 0.63 Xanax, Dec 0.625 Xanax), 1 Jan 2017 4.3 Lex, 24 Jan 4.2, 5 Feb 4.1, 24 Mar 4 mg, 10 Apr 3.9 mg, May 3.85, June 3.8, July 3.75, 22 July 3.7, 15 Aug 3.65, 17 Sept 3.6, 1 Jan 2018 3.55, 19 Jan 3.5, 16 Mar 3.4, 14 Apr 3.3, 23 May 3.2, 16 June 3.15, 15 Jul 3.1, 31 Jul 3, 21 Aug 2.9 26 Sept 2.85, 14 Nov Xan 0.61, 1 Dec 0.59, 19 Dec 0.58, 4 Jan 0.565, 6 Feb 0.55, 20 Feb 0.535, 1 Mar 0.505, 10 Mar 0.475, 14 Mar 0.45, 4 Apr 0.415, 13 Apr 0.37, 21 Apr 0.33, 29 Apr 0.29, 10 May 0.27, 17 May 0.25, 28 May 0.22, 19 June 0.22, 21 Jun updose to 0.24, 24 Jun updose to 0.26

Supplements: Omega 3 + Vit E, Vit C, D, magnesium, Taurine, probiotic 

I'm not a medical professional. Any advice I give is based on my own experience and reading. 

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Thank you dear Petu,

 

You are amazing and wonderful in your thoughts, and comfort ..

I am grateful for you, for taking the time to explain, to put some sense in what is probably happening with my quandary.

You have made several points that reasonate in my head ..

I appreciate you, your time, your effort. :wub:

This is just a difficult dark tunnel that we're passing through...but there are snips of sunshine here and there....and these symptoms will grow less with time if we can manage to calm ourselves down, and believe ..

 

I am praying for you, for mammaP, for Bubble, and everyone on this board...may God intervene to soothe all of our hearts and all of our fears. He is with us.

 

Love, Lexi

Hello,
I am tapering Lorazepam, and my daily dose is 1.125 mgs.

I followed a long hold for 5 months, ( Nov-March 2019) hoping to find some stability, 

but it did not work. So I resumed my taper and hold pattern.
For the last 3 years, I have been using a daily microtaper, cutting .001mgs per day, with holds as needed.
Symptoms are head pressure, labored breathing, palpitations, abrupt surges of dizziness, this being my worst symptom for now, internal tremors, my latest nemesis, unsteadiness, anxiety, plus many other symptoms that cycle in, and cycle out consistently. Not a day passes, without grief :(

I take no other meds.

January 2013 - 15 day quick taper off 10 mgs of Lexapro, and 25 mgs of Sertraline,

at a detox clinic.

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Hi Lexicon....

 

Are you just tapering the Ativan now?  Or did you reinstate the Lexapro/Zoloft....I am sorry I wasn't sure...

 

What is the wave of symptoms you are experiencing now?  There may be something one of us can suggest to help.

 

Hugs

Intro: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1902-nikki-hi-my-rundown-with-ads/

 

Paxil 1997-2004

Crossed over to Lexapro Paxil not available

at Pharmacies GSK halted deliveries

Lexapro 40mgs

Lexapro taper (2years)

Imipramine

Imipramine and Celexa

Now Nefazadone/Imipramine 50mgs. each

45mgs. Serzone  50mgs. Imipramine

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