Guest Swiffy Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 (edited) Hi, everyone, I write because I am really very desperate. I come from Germany and about 3 months ago I lost my life ... It happened when I re-dosed a small amount of fluoxetine according to the instructions of a German forum and then reduced it. (see my signature). Since that day, I have been unable to sleep and run my little business that I built so hard for myself ... Regarding fluoxetine: I took it for 9 years and was doing very well with it (except for the muscle pain). I am now so far that I would say, I am taking the fluoxetine again ... Do you have a suggestion for me???? Warm greetings from Germany Swiffy Edited August 11, 2021 by Go2zero Link to comment
Moderator Go2zero Posted August 10, 2021 Moderator Share Posted August 10, 2021 Hi Swiffy, Welcome to this support site. So sorry to read what you are going through. Before we can answer your questions, please give us more information first. Can you please give us specific information about your drug history for all drugs you are on and have been on, especially for the past 18-24 months? It would be especially helpful to have the details of your drugs in a concise list (no symptoms), only drug names, specific dates (as best you can say for example early March if you don't recall the day) and dosages of each medication decrease or increase. Please read the link below for instructions. This will allow us to give you the best guidance. Please be very specific what dosages you took at specific moments and what you have changed (including dates) https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/18343-please-summarize-your-withdrawal-history-in-your-signature/ What was the reason for changing the dose of Prozac? I have removed your post written in German. We communicate in English here. 1993 Anafranil (Clomipramine) for a few months. Later in 1993 Paxil for a few months 1993- 2006 No medication 2006 Effexor, Cymbalta, some Benzo’s. All for short periods. Later in 2006 Lexapro (escitalopram) 10 mg and shortly after Wellbutrin XR 150mg, against side effects Lexapro Since 2006 until end of 2015: Several times on and off Lexapro and Wellbutrin and several slight dosage changes. Mostly taken dosages: 5mg Lexapro and 150mg Wellbutrin 2016 Dosage change Lexapro from 5mg to 2,5 mg. Wellbutrin stayed om 150mg November 2016 – April 2017 Down from 2,5mg to 0,6mg Lexapro (in steps) without much problems. Wellbutrin down from 150mg to 66mg. Also without much problems. April 2017 – March 2019 Lexapro 0,6 mg April 2017 - August 2018 Wellbutrin in small steps down from 66mg in to 37,5 mg . Quite heavy WD after each step. March 2019 – May 2019 Lexapro down from 0,6 to 0,3mg then Prozac to 0,6 mg switch because severe discontinuation effects (may also have been from Wellbutrin..) Wellbutrin down from 37,5mg to 35,3mg October 2019 Seroquel 12,5 mg for 4 weeks because of extreme sleeping problems, then weaning off in 2 weeks Prozac up dosage to 1,2 mg March 2020 Wellbutrin in 2 steps down from 35,3mg to 33,3mg Extreme withdrawal effects during 8 months. Stopped tapering Wellbutrin until total off Prozac. February 2020 – November 2020 Prozac down in steps from 1,2mg to 0,57mg. Jan 2021 : Prozac down to: 0,55> 0,53>0,51mg, Feb 0,47mg , Mar 0,42mg, Apr 0,37, longer hold because of WD symptoms July 0,36 and hold again, Sept 19 0,35, Sept 26 0,34mg, Oct 3 0,33mg Long hold of 172 days until March 2022 January 20, 2022: Wellbutrin from 33,3 to 32,3mg March 22, 2022 Prozac down from 0,33mg to: 0,30mg, Apr 0,29, May 0,28, 0,27, June 0,26, 0,25, July 0,24, 0,23, 0,22, 0,21, Aug 0,20, 0,19 Sep 0,18, Oct 0,17. 0,16, 0,15, Nov 0,14 Jan 2023 0,13, 0,12, 0,11 Feb 0,10, 0,09 Mar 0,08 , June 0,07 , July 0,06, 0,05, Aug 0,04, 0,03, Sept 0,026, 0,024 Nov 0,022, 0,019, 0,016, 0,013 Dec 0,012, 0,011, 0,010, 0,009 Jan 2024 0,008, 0,007, 0,006, 0,005, 0,004, 0,003, 0,002, 0,001, Feb 0,0007. 0,0005, 0,0003, 0,0001, Feb 23, 2024: 0,00000 Wellbutrin resume tapering: Apr 2024 31,6mg, 30,8, 30 Supplements: Fish Oil (3000mg), Magnesium 100 mg, 2 drops of Lavender Oil, only when feeling extreme anxiety. 50mg of L-Theanine only when severe discontinuation effects caused by Wellbutrin Please note this is NOT a medical advice. Discuss all your medical issues with a doctor who understands psychical drugs and really knows how to withdraw from them. I wish that you will find one. Link to comment
Guest Swiffy Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 Hallo, danke für deine schnelle antwort: Hier die Daten: 4/2012 - 6/2013: Paroxetin 20 mg, 7/2013 - 10/2020: Fluoxetin 10 mg, 12/2020: Fluoxetin 0,5 mg (gelesen im deutschen AD-Forum) 4 /2021:. 0,34 mg Fluoxetin 5/2021:. 0,26 mg Fluoxetin 1 5.05.2021:. 0,34 mg Fluoxetin 27.05.2021:. 0 mg Fluoxetin (Psychiatrie wegen schrecklicher Symptome 30.05.2021.15 mg Mirtazapin + 3 x 0,5 mg Tavor (10 Tage)10.06.22021:.30 mg Mirtazapin 29.06.2021:. 15 mg Mirtazapin + 25 mg Sertralin + x 0,5 mg Tavor (14 Tage) 08.07.2021:. 15 mg Mirtazapin 1 2,5 mg Sertralin 11.07. 15 mg Mirta mg Sertralin 15.07 . 11 , 25 mg Mirtazapin 02.08 . 7,5 mg Mirtazapin I stopped fluoxetine because I wanted to get pregnant, but like it is now, it will be impossible. Now in want only my life back 😓😓😓 Grüße Link to comment
Moderator Go2zero Posted August 10, 2021 Moderator Share Posted August 10, 2021 Please put these data in you signature as explained in my earlier post. In that way it show up in each of your posts and we do not have to go through all your posts. Do I understand you went down in 1 time from 20 mg fluoxetine to 0,5mg? Please explain exact what you did. Why did you start taking mirtazapine and later on also sertraline? Why didn't you stick to prozac? Please explain. 1993 Anafranil (Clomipramine) for a few months. Later in 1993 Paxil for a few months 1993- 2006 No medication 2006 Effexor, Cymbalta, some Benzo’s. All for short periods. Later in 2006 Lexapro (escitalopram) 10 mg and shortly after Wellbutrin XR 150mg, against side effects Lexapro Since 2006 until end of 2015: Several times on and off Lexapro and Wellbutrin and several slight dosage changes. Mostly taken dosages: 5mg Lexapro and 150mg Wellbutrin 2016 Dosage change Lexapro from 5mg to 2,5 mg. Wellbutrin stayed om 150mg November 2016 – April 2017 Down from 2,5mg to 0,6mg Lexapro (in steps) without much problems. Wellbutrin down from 150mg to 66mg. Also without much problems. April 2017 – March 2019 Lexapro 0,6 mg April 2017 - August 2018 Wellbutrin in small steps down from 66mg in to 37,5 mg . Quite heavy WD after each step. March 2019 – May 2019 Lexapro down from 0,6 to 0,3mg then Prozac to 0,6 mg switch because severe discontinuation effects (may also have been from Wellbutrin..) Wellbutrin down from 37,5mg to 35,3mg October 2019 Seroquel 12,5 mg for 4 weeks because of extreme sleeping problems, then weaning off in 2 weeks Prozac up dosage to 1,2 mg March 2020 Wellbutrin in 2 steps down from 35,3mg to 33,3mg Extreme withdrawal effects during 8 months. Stopped tapering Wellbutrin until total off Prozac. February 2020 – November 2020 Prozac down in steps from 1,2mg to 0,57mg. Jan 2021 : Prozac down to: 0,55> 0,53>0,51mg, Feb 0,47mg , Mar 0,42mg, Apr 0,37, longer hold because of WD symptoms July 0,36 and hold again, Sept 19 0,35, Sept 26 0,34mg, Oct 3 0,33mg Long hold of 172 days until March 2022 January 20, 2022: Wellbutrin from 33,3 to 32,3mg March 22, 2022 Prozac down from 0,33mg to: 0,30mg, Apr 0,29, May 0,28, 0,27, June 0,26, 0,25, July 0,24, 0,23, 0,22, 0,21, Aug 0,20, 0,19 Sep 0,18, Oct 0,17. 0,16, 0,15, Nov 0,14 Jan 2023 0,13, 0,12, 0,11 Feb 0,10, 0,09 Mar 0,08 , June 0,07 , July 0,06, 0,05, Aug 0,04, 0,03, Sept 0,026, 0,024 Nov 0,022, 0,019, 0,016, 0,013 Dec 0,012, 0,011, 0,010, 0,009 Jan 2024 0,008, 0,007, 0,006, 0,005, 0,004, 0,003, 0,002, 0,001, Feb 0,0007. 0,0005, 0,0003, 0,0001, Feb 23, 2024: 0,00000 Wellbutrin resume tapering: Apr 2024 31,6mg, 30,8, 30 Supplements: Fish Oil (3000mg), Magnesium 100 mg, 2 drops of Lavender Oil, only when feeling extreme anxiety. 50mg of L-Theanine only when severe discontinuation effects caused by Wellbutrin Please note this is NOT a medical advice. Discuss all your medical issues with a doctor who understands psychical drugs and really knows how to withdraw from them. I wish that you will find one. Link to comment
Moderator Go2zero Posted August 10, 2021 Moderator Share Posted August 10, 2021 3 hours ago, Swiffy said: I am now so far that I would say, I am taking the fluoxetine again ... What do you mean with this? Are you also still taking fluoxetine? And Mirtzapine and sertraline. Please be specific. What are your symptoms in detail? 1993 Anafranil (Clomipramine) for a few months. Later in 1993 Paxil for a few months 1993- 2006 No medication 2006 Effexor, Cymbalta, some Benzo’s. All for short periods. Later in 2006 Lexapro (escitalopram) 10 mg and shortly after Wellbutrin XR 150mg, against side effects Lexapro Since 2006 until end of 2015: Several times on and off Lexapro and Wellbutrin and several slight dosage changes. Mostly taken dosages: 5mg Lexapro and 150mg Wellbutrin 2016 Dosage change Lexapro from 5mg to 2,5 mg. Wellbutrin stayed om 150mg November 2016 – April 2017 Down from 2,5mg to 0,6mg Lexapro (in steps) without much problems. Wellbutrin down from 150mg to 66mg. Also without much problems. April 2017 – March 2019 Lexapro 0,6 mg April 2017 - August 2018 Wellbutrin in small steps down from 66mg in to 37,5 mg . Quite heavy WD after each step. March 2019 – May 2019 Lexapro down from 0,6 to 0,3mg then Prozac to 0,6 mg switch because severe discontinuation effects (may also have been from Wellbutrin..) Wellbutrin down from 37,5mg to 35,3mg October 2019 Seroquel 12,5 mg for 4 weeks because of extreme sleeping problems, then weaning off in 2 weeks Prozac up dosage to 1,2 mg March 2020 Wellbutrin in 2 steps down from 35,3mg to 33,3mg Extreme withdrawal effects during 8 months. Stopped tapering Wellbutrin until total off Prozac. February 2020 – November 2020 Prozac down in steps from 1,2mg to 0,57mg. Jan 2021 : Prozac down to: 0,55> 0,53>0,51mg, Feb 0,47mg , Mar 0,42mg, Apr 0,37, longer hold because of WD symptoms July 0,36 and hold again, Sept 19 0,35, Sept 26 0,34mg, Oct 3 0,33mg Long hold of 172 days until March 2022 January 20, 2022: Wellbutrin from 33,3 to 32,3mg March 22, 2022 Prozac down from 0,33mg to: 0,30mg, Apr 0,29, May 0,28, 0,27, June 0,26, 0,25, July 0,24, 0,23, 0,22, 0,21, Aug 0,20, 0,19 Sep 0,18, Oct 0,17. 0,16, 0,15, Nov 0,14 Jan 2023 0,13, 0,12, 0,11 Feb 0,10, 0,09 Mar 0,08 , June 0,07 , July 0,06, 0,05, Aug 0,04, 0,03, Sept 0,026, 0,024 Nov 0,022, 0,019, 0,016, 0,013 Dec 0,012, 0,011, 0,010, 0,009 Jan 2024 0,008, 0,007, 0,006, 0,005, 0,004, 0,003, 0,002, 0,001, Feb 0,0007. 0,0005, 0,0003, 0,0001, Feb 23, 2024: 0,00000 Wellbutrin resume tapering: Apr 2024 31,6mg, 30,8, 30 Supplements: Fish Oil (3000mg), Magnesium 100 mg, 2 drops of Lavender Oil, only when feeling extreme anxiety. 50mg of L-Theanine only when severe discontinuation effects caused by Wellbutrin Please note this is NOT a medical advice. Discuss all your medical issues with a doctor who understands psychical drugs and really knows how to withdraw from them. I wish that you will find one. Link to comment
Guest Swiffy Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 Hallo, Danke für deine Antwort. Kannst du meine Signatur sehen?, Ich habe alle Daten in die Signatur geschrieben.. Letztes Jahr im Oktober habe ich Fluoxetin 10 mg abgesetzt, weil ich Kinder haben wollte. Mein Arzt sagte, dass Sie es nicht reduzieren müssen, es reduziert sich von selbst. Ich habe es auch gemacht. Zwei Wochen später ging es mir nicht mehr so gut. Im Dezember war ich so deprimiert, dass ich wieder eine kleine Menge von 0,5 mg einnahm (dies wird in einem deutschen Forum empfohlen). Mir ging es nicht viel besser. Da ich sehr beschäftigt war, habe ich diese Menge bis April 2021 behalten und sie dann auf 0,34 mg reduziert. Vier Wochen lang passiert nichts, dann habe ich es auf 0,26 mg reduziert. Dann begann die Hölle. Nach zwei Wochen bekam ich Panikattacken, Schwitzen, Zittern, schreckliche Akathisie. Ich habe es auch am 15. Mai versucht. sterben. die letzte Dosis von 0,34 mg. Es war die Hölle. Ich bin geistig verwirrt, desorientiert, entpersonalisiert und finde mich im Haus nicht mehr zurecht, bin ständig ängstlich, schlaflos, Panikattacken. Im Forum wurde mir gesagt, diese Dosis beizubehalten und zu stabilisieren. Das habe ich bis zum 27. Mai geschafft, dann konnte ich die Dosis entfernen und am 30. Mai. Ich bin in die Psychiatrie gekommen. Dort bekam ich Mirtazapin zum Einschlafen, aber es hat nur kurz gewirkt. Ich habe viele Probleme mit Mirtazapin (schreckliche Albträume, Kribbeln am ganzen Körper, Gelenkprobleme, scheint paradox, es macht mich jetzt mehr wach als müde) Mir wurde Sertralin gegeben, weil es Fluoxetin sehr ähnlich ist und ich hoffe, dass es die schlimmen Entzugserscheinungen lindern kann. Aber das war nicht der Fall, ich bekam von jeder Pille Adrenalinschübe, so dass ich noch unruhiger wurde. Ich habe Sertralin 10 Tage später abgesetzt. Es wurde auch Quetiapin versucht bis 100 mg, und Dominal 80 mg, sowie Promethazin, ohne Erfolg. Am 8. Juli ging ich nach Hause. Da bin ich jetzt und habe erkannt, dass ich mein geliebtes Leben verloren habe. Ich war immer ein glücklicher, starker Mensch, der mein Leben genossen hat. Jetzt sitze ich hier, starre aus dem Fenster und will nichts mehr tun. Am 2. und 3. August habe ich weitere 2,5 mg Fluoxetin genommen. Es hat nicht viel gebracht, außer dass ich nicht mehr müde werde. Es zerreißt mir das Herz zu sehen, wie alles, was ich liebevoll erarbeitet habe, in Trümmern liegt und meine Familie verzweifelt ist. Ich habe nächste Woche einen Termin bei einem neuen Arzt, aber ich bin nicht sehr hoffnungsvoll. Ich würde Fluoxetin wieder nehmen, um meinen Schlaf zu verbessern und mich wieder zu amüsieren, aber ich habe Angst davor. Eigentlich möchte ich kein Mirtazapin mehr, (habe derzeit noch 7,5 mg) habe aber auch Angst, dass die Symptome wie Panikattacken und extreme Akathisie wiederkommen. Ich nahm auch Zoplicon zum Schlafen, aber es wirkt jetzt nicht mehr.... Außerdem ist das kein schöner Schlaf mit Zoplicon..... Meine Sympthome: absolute Schlaflosigkeit, Anhedonie, Akathisie extrem, Angstzustände immer und überall, Suizidgedanken (eigentlich will ich leben), Depression, Muskelschmerzen, Grippegefühl, 6 kg Gewicht abgenommen, extremer Schwindel, Verwirrtheit, Desorientierung Hat vielleicht jemand eine Idee oder Lösung? Ich kann nicht mehr... Herzliche Grüße Link to comment
Nomansland Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 Hello @Swiffy, iam sorry that youre going through such a hard time. i put your text into the deepL-translator (you can find it here and easy translate all of your text into english for the moderators of this forum or from english to german) and translated it into english. Iam sure you will get some helpfull suggestions soon. "Hello, Thank you for your reply. Can you see my signature, I put all the data in the signature.... Last year in October I stopped Fluoxetine 10 mg because I wanted to have children. My doctor said you don't have to reduce it, it will reduce itself. I did the same. Two weeks later I wasn't feeling so well. In December I was so depressed that I took a small amount of 0.5 mg again (this is recommended in a German forum). I did not feel much better. Since I was very busy, I kept this amount until April 2021 and then reduced it to 0.34 mg. Nothing happened for four weeks, then I reduced it to 0.26 mg. Then the hell started. After two weeks I started having panic attacks, sweating, trembling, terrible akathisia. I tried it also on May 15. die. the last dose of 0.34 mg. It was hell. I am mentally confused, disoriented, depersonalized and can't find my way around the house, constantly anxious, sleepless, panic attacks. I was told in the forum to maintain this dose and stabilize. I managed to do that until May 27, then I was able to remove the dose and on May 30. I went to the psychiatric ward. There I was given mirtazapine to put me to sleep, but it only worked for a short time. I have many problems with mirtazapine (horrible nightmares, tingling all over, joint problems, seems paradoxical, it makes me more awake than tired now). I was given sertraline because it is very similar to fluoxetine and I hope it can relieve the bad withdrawal symptoms. But that was not the case, I was getting adrenaline rushes from each pill so I was even more restless. I stopped sertraline 10 days later. Quetiapine was also tried up to 100 mg, and Dominal 80 mg, as well as promethazine, without success. On July 8, I went home. Here I am now, realizing that I have lost the life I loved. I was always a happy, strong person who enjoyed my life. Now I sit here, staring out the window, not wanting to do anything. On August 2 and 3, I took another 2.5 mg of fluoxetine. It didn't do much except stop me from getting tired. It tears my heart out to see everything I have lovingly worked for in ruins and my family in despair. I have an appointment with a new doctor next week, but I am not very hopeful. I would take fluoxetine again to improve my sleep and enjoy myself again, but I am afraid to. I actually don't want mirtazapine anymore, (still have 7.5 mg at the moment) but am also afraid that the symptoms like panic attacks and extreme akathisia will come back. I also took Zoplicon to sleep, but it doesn't work now.... Also, it's not a nice sleep with Zoplicon..... My sympthoms: Absolute insomnia, anhedonia, akathisia extreme, anxiety always and everywhere, suicidal thoughts (actually I want to live), depression, muscle pain, flu feeling, lost 6 kg weight, extreme dizziness, confusion, disorientation. Maybe someone has an idea or solution? I can't take it anymore... Kind regards" Greetings Nomansland 2022 IMPORTANT WITHDRAWAL SURVEY, PLEASE PARTICIPATE: https://uelpsych.eu.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_0AR9IsQ61jsiXBk non-native speaker of english 2020: 3-March -> started Mirtazapine 15mg; 3-March to 6-April -> approx. cutting to 0 mg; 6-April to 20-April -> ~ 7,5 mg; 21-April to 31-April -> 15 mg; 1-May to 13-May -> ~ 10 mg (approx.); 15-May to 19-July -> 15 mg (psychosomatic clinic) 19-July -> started taper (scale and file) 14 mg (-6,6%); 08-August -> 12 mg (-14,3 %); 27-August -> 10 mg (-16,6 %); 15-September -> 8 mg (-20 %, bad idea, heavy WD); 23-September -> 10.2 mg (+20 %, 102 mgpw) 2021: 12-April to 12-May -> crossover from solid pill to DIY liquid (water only), 10.2 mg, not stable; 10-September -> back to crushing and weighing, still 10.2 mg (102 mgpw) 2022: 13-March -> changed to DIY liquid with suspension vehicle, 10.2 mg Supplements: 1 x ~125 mg magnesiumbiglycinate before bed, low histamine diet Link to comment
Moderator Go2zero Posted August 11, 2021 Moderator Share Posted August 11, 2021 5 hours ago, Swiffy said: Kannst du meine Signatur sehen?, Ich habe alle Daten in die Signatur geschrieben.. The text of your signature should be under EACH of your post. It cannot be seen yet. I see that you put it in the info "ABOUT ME". But this is not shown under each post and can only be seen by the moderators. Please copy and paste the text you made into your "SIGNATURE". Go to your "Profile", choose "Account settings", then choose on the left side of the screen "Signature". There you should put the Signature info. You can check yourself if you have done it right. The signature info should be shown under each of your posts! Please communicate in English only here. That is the common spoken language here. 1993 Anafranil (Clomipramine) for a few months. Later in 1993 Paxil for a few months 1993- 2006 No medication 2006 Effexor, Cymbalta, some Benzo’s. All for short periods. Later in 2006 Lexapro (escitalopram) 10 mg and shortly after Wellbutrin XR 150mg, against side effects Lexapro Since 2006 until end of 2015: Several times on and off Lexapro and Wellbutrin and several slight dosage changes. Mostly taken dosages: 5mg Lexapro and 150mg Wellbutrin 2016 Dosage change Lexapro from 5mg to 2,5 mg. Wellbutrin stayed om 150mg November 2016 – April 2017 Down from 2,5mg to 0,6mg Lexapro (in steps) without much problems. Wellbutrin down from 150mg to 66mg. Also without much problems. April 2017 – March 2019 Lexapro 0,6 mg April 2017 - August 2018 Wellbutrin in small steps down from 66mg in to 37,5 mg . Quite heavy WD after each step. March 2019 – May 2019 Lexapro down from 0,6 to 0,3mg then Prozac to 0,6 mg switch because severe discontinuation effects (may also have been from Wellbutrin..) Wellbutrin down from 37,5mg to 35,3mg October 2019 Seroquel 12,5 mg for 4 weeks because of extreme sleeping problems, then weaning off in 2 weeks Prozac up dosage to 1,2 mg March 2020 Wellbutrin in 2 steps down from 35,3mg to 33,3mg Extreme withdrawal effects during 8 months. Stopped tapering Wellbutrin until total off Prozac. February 2020 – November 2020 Prozac down in steps from 1,2mg to 0,57mg. Jan 2021 : Prozac down to: 0,55> 0,53>0,51mg, Feb 0,47mg , Mar 0,42mg, Apr 0,37, longer hold because of WD symptoms July 0,36 and hold again, Sept 19 0,35, Sept 26 0,34mg, Oct 3 0,33mg Long hold of 172 days until March 2022 January 20, 2022: Wellbutrin from 33,3 to 32,3mg March 22, 2022 Prozac down from 0,33mg to: 0,30mg, Apr 0,29, May 0,28, 0,27, June 0,26, 0,25, July 0,24, 0,23, 0,22, 0,21, Aug 0,20, 0,19 Sep 0,18, Oct 0,17. 0,16, 0,15, Nov 0,14 Jan 2023 0,13, 0,12, 0,11 Feb 0,10, 0,09 Mar 0,08 , June 0,07 , July 0,06, 0,05, Aug 0,04, 0,03, Sept 0,026, 0,024 Nov 0,022, 0,019, 0,016, 0,013 Dec 0,012, 0,011, 0,010, 0,009 Jan 2024 0,008, 0,007, 0,006, 0,005, 0,004, 0,003, 0,002, 0,001, Feb 0,0007. 0,0005, 0,0003, 0,0001, Feb 23, 2024: 0,00000 Wellbutrin resume tapering: Apr 2024 31,6mg, 30,8, 30 Supplements: Fish Oil (3000mg), Magnesium 100 mg, 2 drops of Lavender Oil, only when feeling extreme anxiety. 50mg of L-Theanine only when severe discontinuation effects caused by Wellbutrin Please note this is NOT a medical advice. Discuss all your medical issues with a doctor who understands psychical drugs and really knows how to withdraw from them. I wish that you will find one. Link to comment
Moderator Go2zero Posted August 11, 2021 Moderator Share Posted August 11, 2021 Hi Swiffy, Thanks for the provided info in your last post. This gives a more clear picture about what happened. But pleas still put the info which you put in "about me" into your "signature". It is important to have its there, so that all members and moderators can easily see what you are/have been taking on meds. I am very sorry to read what you are experiencing. It is clear that your suffer from withdrawal because of nearly stopping cold turkey fluoxetine. It is a big myth that prozac/fluoxetine tapers itself! Also prozac/fluoxetine should be tapered slowly. It may be somewhat easier to taper than other SSRI's but it should always be tapered with 10% per month of the last taken dosage. https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/759-tips-for-tapering-off-prozac-fluoxetine/ The fact that you have been taking mirtazapine, sertaline, quetiapine, Dominal and Promethazine may have further sensitized your central nervous system. Don't feel bad about yourself that you did so. Most of us here (including me) have made these "mistakes". Doctors often do not know how to taper. And they advise often wrong. Then we get into withdrawal, which if often diagnosed as relapse. Reinstatement and/or other meds are prescribed and then everything may get worse. First thing you have to do, is getting stable! Because you have been using so many different meds over the last months, want to discuss with the other moderators what the best possible way may be to stabilize. As soon as I have an answer I or another moderator will com back to you! You will get stable again! This may take time. Good that you joined this support site! 2 1993 Anafranil (Clomipramine) for a few months. Later in 1993 Paxil for a few months 1993- 2006 No medication 2006 Effexor, Cymbalta, some Benzo’s. All for short periods. Later in 2006 Lexapro (escitalopram) 10 mg and shortly after Wellbutrin XR 150mg, against side effects Lexapro Since 2006 until end of 2015: Several times on and off Lexapro and Wellbutrin and several slight dosage changes. Mostly taken dosages: 5mg Lexapro and 150mg Wellbutrin 2016 Dosage change Lexapro from 5mg to 2,5 mg. Wellbutrin stayed om 150mg November 2016 – April 2017 Down from 2,5mg to 0,6mg Lexapro (in steps) without much problems. Wellbutrin down from 150mg to 66mg. Also without much problems. April 2017 – March 2019 Lexapro 0,6 mg April 2017 - August 2018 Wellbutrin in small steps down from 66mg in to 37,5 mg . Quite heavy WD after each step. March 2019 – May 2019 Lexapro down from 0,6 to 0,3mg then Prozac to 0,6 mg switch because severe discontinuation effects (may also have been from Wellbutrin..) Wellbutrin down from 37,5mg to 35,3mg October 2019 Seroquel 12,5 mg for 4 weeks because of extreme sleeping problems, then weaning off in 2 weeks Prozac up dosage to 1,2 mg March 2020 Wellbutrin in 2 steps down from 35,3mg to 33,3mg Extreme withdrawal effects during 8 months. Stopped tapering Wellbutrin until total off Prozac. February 2020 – November 2020 Prozac down in steps from 1,2mg to 0,57mg. Jan 2021 : Prozac down to: 0,55> 0,53>0,51mg, Feb 0,47mg , Mar 0,42mg, Apr 0,37, longer hold because of WD symptoms July 0,36 and hold again, Sept 19 0,35, Sept 26 0,34mg, Oct 3 0,33mg Long hold of 172 days until March 2022 January 20, 2022: Wellbutrin from 33,3 to 32,3mg March 22, 2022 Prozac down from 0,33mg to: 0,30mg, Apr 0,29, May 0,28, 0,27, June 0,26, 0,25, July 0,24, 0,23, 0,22, 0,21, Aug 0,20, 0,19 Sep 0,18, Oct 0,17. 0,16, 0,15, Nov 0,14 Jan 2023 0,13, 0,12, 0,11 Feb 0,10, 0,09 Mar 0,08 , June 0,07 , July 0,06, 0,05, Aug 0,04, 0,03, Sept 0,026, 0,024 Nov 0,022, 0,019, 0,016, 0,013 Dec 0,012, 0,011, 0,010, 0,009 Jan 2024 0,008, 0,007, 0,006, 0,005, 0,004, 0,003, 0,002, 0,001, Feb 0,0007. 0,0005, 0,0003, 0,0001, Feb 23, 2024: 0,00000 Wellbutrin resume tapering: Apr 2024 31,6mg, 30,8, 30 Supplements: Fish Oil (3000mg), Magnesium 100 mg, 2 drops of Lavender Oil, only when feeling extreme anxiety. 50mg of L-Theanine only when severe discontinuation effects caused by Wellbutrin Please note this is NOT a medical advice. Discuss all your medical issues with a doctor who understands psychical drugs and really knows how to withdraw from them. I wish that you will find one. Link to comment
Guest Swiffy Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 Hi, thanks for your answer. I copied my Text in the Translator and copied IT back to here, but IT seems that this haven't functioned. My English ist not very good, sorry. Greetings Link to comment
Moderator Go2zero Posted August 11, 2021 Moderator Share Posted August 11, 2021 5 minutes ago, Swiffy said: I copied my Text in the Translator and copied IT back to here, but IT seems that this haven't functioned. No problem. You can check however what you have posted. And edit it if necessary. Most of us cannot understand German, so it is really important that we communicate in English. Hope you understand. Translating with translator is fine! 1993 Anafranil (Clomipramine) for a few months. Later in 1993 Paxil for a few months 1993- 2006 No medication 2006 Effexor, Cymbalta, some Benzo’s. All for short periods. Later in 2006 Lexapro (escitalopram) 10 mg and shortly after Wellbutrin XR 150mg, against side effects Lexapro Since 2006 until end of 2015: Several times on and off Lexapro and Wellbutrin and several slight dosage changes. Mostly taken dosages: 5mg Lexapro and 150mg Wellbutrin 2016 Dosage change Lexapro from 5mg to 2,5 mg. Wellbutrin stayed om 150mg November 2016 – April 2017 Down from 2,5mg to 0,6mg Lexapro (in steps) without much problems. Wellbutrin down from 150mg to 66mg. Also without much problems. April 2017 – March 2019 Lexapro 0,6 mg April 2017 - August 2018 Wellbutrin in small steps down from 66mg in to 37,5 mg . Quite heavy WD after each step. March 2019 – May 2019 Lexapro down from 0,6 to 0,3mg then Prozac to 0,6 mg switch because severe discontinuation effects (may also have been from Wellbutrin..) Wellbutrin down from 37,5mg to 35,3mg October 2019 Seroquel 12,5 mg for 4 weeks because of extreme sleeping problems, then weaning off in 2 weeks Prozac up dosage to 1,2 mg March 2020 Wellbutrin in 2 steps down from 35,3mg to 33,3mg Extreme withdrawal effects during 8 months. Stopped tapering Wellbutrin until total off Prozac. February 2020 – November 2020 Prozac down in steps from 1,2mg to 0,57mg. Jan 2021 : Prozac down to: 0,55> 0,53>0,51mg, Feb 0,47mg , Mar 0,42mg, Apr 0,37, longer hold because of WD symptoms July 0,36 and hold again, Sept 19 0,35, Sept 26 0,34mg, Oct 3 0,33mg Long hold of 172 days until March 2022 January 20, 2022: Wellbutrin from 33,3 to 32,3mg March 22, 2022 Prozac down from 0,33mg to: 0,30mg, Apr 0,29, May 0,28, 0,27, June 0,26, 0,25, July 0,24, 0,23, 0,22, 0,21, Aug 0,20, 0,19 Sep 0,18, Oct 0,17. 0,16, 0,15, Nov 0,14 Jan 2023 0,13, 0,12, 0,11 Feb 0,10, 0,09 Mar 0,08 , June 0,07 , July 0,06, 0,05, Aug 0,04, 0,03, Sept 0,026, 0,024 Nov 0,022, 0,019, 0,016, 0,013 Dec 0,012, 0,011, 0,010, 0,009 Jan 2024 0,008, 0,007, 0,006, 0,005, 0,004, 0,003, 0,002, 0,001, Feb 0,0007. 0,0005, 0,0003, 0,0001, Feb 23, 2024: 0,00000 Wellbutrin resume tapering: Apr 2024 31,6mg, 30,8, 30 Supplements: Fish Oil (3000mg), Magnesium 100 mg, 2 drops of Lavender Oil, only when feeling extreme anxiety. 50mg of L-Theanine only when severe discontinuation effects caused by Wellbutrin Please note this is NOT a medical advice. Discuss all your medical issues with a doctor who understands psychical drugs and really knows how to withdraw from them. I wish that you will find one. Link to comment
Guest Swiffy Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 Hi, I don' t know how to get stabile. Therefore in have to sleep, but this is impossible. I think is better to Take nothing, but then i will be completely Out of Order 🙈 I dont wanna lost my Life 😭 Greetings Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted August 11, 2021 Administrator Share Posted August 11, 2021 9 hours ago, Nomansland said: On August 2 and 3, I took another 2.5 mg of fluoxetine. It didn't do much except stop me from getting tired. Hello, Swiffy. What drugs are taking now, at what dosages, at what times o'clock? When did you start each of the drugs you're taking now? Are any of them helpful? It appears you must be suffering from fluoxetine withdrawal syndrome. If I were you, I would take 1mg fluoxetine every day at the same time. It will take at least 2 weeks for a change in fluoxetine to come to full effect. You probably will feel the effect of the drug to be a little stronger each day. Please let us know how you're doing. 1 This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Guest Swiffy Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 Hallo, Ich nehme nur das Mirtazpin um 14 Uhr 7,5 mg. Denn am Abend macht ES mich wach 😞 Und ES brennt am ganzen Körper! Dann nehme ich 1,5 Zoplicon, wenn es so schlimm ist, dass es nicht mehr geht. Dann schlafe ich 3,5 Stunden. Ich habe Fluoxetine zweimal am 02. und 03. August genommen. 2,5 mg. Seitdem werde ich nie müde, bin weiterhin getrieben. Ich fühle mich wie Drogen😰😰😰 Das ist alles. Manchmal ein Tavor Glauben Sie, dass der Schlaf mit 1 mg Fluoxetin zurückkehrt???? Grüße Link to comment
Guest Swiffy Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 PS: Hast du meine Signatur gesehen? Ich habe Fluoxetin bis Mai genommen und als ich es reduziert habe hatte ich den absoluten Crash. Was kann ich erwarten, wenn ich jetzt 1 mg nehme? SInce i tooked the 2,6 mg my pain in the Arms and Back came back. Therefore i thought IT was Something else, but now i know IT was from the Fluoxetin. Was tun mit Mirtazapin? Wie sind eure Erfahrungen mit Fällen wie meinem? 😞 Schöne Grüße 👋🏼 Link to comment
Moderator Go2zero Posted August 12, 2021 Moderator Share Posted August 12, 2021 Could you please write in ENGLISH ONLY? Most people here do not understand German. Your signature is still not visible. 22 hours ago, Go2zero said: The text of your signature should be under EACH of your post. It cannot be seen yet. I see that you put it in the info "ABOUT ME". But this is not shown under each post and can only be seen by the moderators. Please copy and paste the text you made into your "SIGNATURE". Go to your "Profile", choose "Account settings", then choose on the left side of the screen "Signature". There you should put the Signature info. You can check yourself if you have done it right. The signature info should be shown under each of your posts! You should be able to see yourself if your signature is visible. It should be shown under each of you posts. Look at mine fro example. The signature is always there, with each post. Just follow the instructions I gave. 1993 Anafranil (Clomipramine) for a few months. Later in 1993 Paxil for a few months 1993- 2006 No medication 2006 Effexor, Cymbalta, some Benzo’s. All for short periods. Later in 2006 Lexapro (escitalopram) 10 mg and shortly after Wellbutrin XR 150mg, against side effects Lexapro Since 2006 until end of 2015: Several times on and off Lexapro and Wellbutrin and several slight dosage changes. Mostly taken dosages: 5mg Lexapro and 150mg Wellbutrin 2016 Dosage change Lexapro from 5mg to 2,5 mg. Wellbutrin stayed om 150mg November 2016 – April 2017 Down from 2,5mg to 0,6mg Lexapro (in steps) without much problems. Wellbutrin down from 150mg to 66mg. Also without much problems. April 2017 – March 2019 Lexapro 0,6 mg April 2017 - August 2018 Wellbutrin in small steps down from 66mg in to 37,5 mg . Quite heavy WD after each step. March 2019 – May 2019 Lexapro down from 0,6 to 0,3mg then Prozac to 0,6 mg switch because severe discontinuation effects (may also have been from Wellbutrin..) Wellbutrin down from 37,5mg to 35,3mg October 2019 Seroquel 12,5 mg for 4 weeks because of extreme sleeping problems, then weaning off in 2 weeks Prozac up dosage to 1,2 mg March 2020 Wellbutrin in 2 steps down from 35,3mg to 33,3mg Extreme withdrawal effects during 8 months. Stopped tapering Wellbutrin until total off Prozac. February 2020 – November 2020 Prozac down in steps from 1,2mg to 0,57mg. Jan 2021 : Prozac down to: 0,55> 0,53>0,51mg, Feb 0,47mg , Mar 0,42mg, Apr 0,37, longer hold because of WD symptoms July 0,36 and hold again, Sept 19 0,35, Sept 26 0,34mg, Oct 3 0,33mg Long hold of 172 days until March 2022 January 20, 2022: Wellbutrin from 33,3 to 32,3mg March 22, 2022 Prozac down from 0,33mg to: 0,30mg, Apr 0,29, May 0,28, 0,27, June 0,26, 0,25, July 0,24, 0,23, 0,22, 0,21, Aug 0,20, 0,19 Sep 0,18, Oct 0,17. 0,16, 0,15, Nov 0,14 Jan 2023 0,13, 0,12, 0,11 Feb 0,10, 0,09 Mar 0,08 , June 0,07 , July 0,06, 0,05, Aug 0,04, 0,03, Sept 0,026, 0,024 Nov 0,022, 0,019, 0,016, 0,013 Dec 0,012, 0,011, 0,010, 0,009 Jan 2024 0,008, 0,007, 0,006, 0,005, 0,004, 0,003, 0,002, 0,001, Feb 0,0007. 0,0005, 0,0003, 0,0001, Feb 23, 2024: 0,00000 Wellbutrin resume tapering: Apr 2024 31,6mg, 30,8, 30 Supplements: Fish Oil (3000mg), Magnesium 100 mg, 2 drops of Lavender Oil, only when feeling extreme anxiety. 50mg of L-Theanine only when severe discontinuation effects caused by Wellbutrin Please note this is NOT a medical advice. Discuss all your medical issues with a doctor who understands psychical drugs and really knows how to withdraw from them. I wish that you will find one. Link to comment
Guest Swiffy Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 Hi, is IT ok now? I write all in English, but my android seems IT allways translate Back in German .... ich habe große Angst, es mit 1 mg zu versuchen. Ich habe 5 Monate lang 0,5 mg ausprobiert und es auf Fast reduziert. Dann habe ich 2,5 mg für zwei Tage probiert. Seitdem werde ich nicht mehr müde.... Ich glaube, mein ZNS ist total beschädigt 😭😭 Glaubst du, es gibt wirklich eine Chance? Und wenn nicht Link to comment
Moderator Go2zero Posted August 12, 2021 Moderator Share Posted August 12, 2021 I can see your signature now. But it is also in German.... Do you have access to a computer, so you could post in English. This is really important. Or maybe you could change the setting of your android otherwise... I have asked Altostrata for further advise and she or I will com back to you. Extreme sleeping problems (insomnia) are a very well know withdrawal symptom. This will go away eventually. Nobody can tell how much time this will take, since we all react differently on WD symptoms. Your central nervous system will heal. But it takes time and the right way of dealing with it. We can advise you there. https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/82-the-windows-and-waves-pattern-of-stabilization/ 1993 Anafranil (Clomipramine) for a few months. Later in 1993 Paxil for a few months 1993- 2006 No medication 2006 Effexor, Cymbalta, some Benzo’s. All for short periods. Later in 2006 Lexapro (escitalopram) 10 mg and shortly after Wellbutrin XR 150mg, against side effects Lexapro Since 2006 until end of 2015: Several times on and off Lexapro and Wellbutrin and several slight dosage changes. Mostly taken dosages: 5mg Lexapro and 150mg Wellbutrin 2016 Dosage change Lexapro from 5mg to 2,5 mg. Wellbutrin stayed om 150mg November 2016 – April 2017 Down from 2,5mg to 0,6mg Lexapro (in steps) without much problems. Wellbutrin down from 150mg to 66mg. Also without much problems. April 2017 – March 2019 Lexapro 0,6 mg April 2017 - August 2018 Wellbutrin in small steps down from 66mg in to 37,5 mg . Quite heavy WD after each step. March 2019 – May 2019 Lexapro down from 0,6 to 0,3mg then Prozac to 0,6 mg switch because severe discontinuation effects (may also have been from Wellbutrin..) Wellbutrin down from 37,5mg to 35,3mg October 2019 Seroquel 12,5 mg for 4 weeks because of extreme sleeping problems, then weaning off in 2 weeks Prozac up dosage to 1,2 mg March 2020 Wellbutrin in 2 steps down from 35,3mg to 33,3mg Extreme withdrawal effects during 8 months. Stopped tapering Wellbutrin until total off Prozac. February 2020 – November 2020 Prozac down in steps from 1,2mg to 0,57mg. Jan 2021 : Prozac down to: 0,55> 0,53>0,51mg, Feb 0,47mg , Mar 0,42mg, Apr 0,37, longer hold because of WD symptoms July 0,36 and hold again, Sept 19 0,35, Sept 26 0,34mg, Oct 3 0,33mg Long hold of 172 days until March 2022 January 20, 2022: Wellbutrin from 33,3 to 32,3mg March 22, 2022 Prozac down from 0,33mg to: 0,30mg, Apr 0,29, May 0,28, 0,27, June 0,26, 0,25, July 0,24, 0,23, 0,22, 0,21, Aug 0,20, 0,19 Sep 0,18, Oct 0,17. 0,16, 0,15, Nov 0,14 Jan 2023 0,13, 0,12, 0,11 Feb 0,10, 0,09 Mar 0,08 , June 0,07 , July 0,06, 0,05, Aug 0,04, 0,03, Sept 0,026, 0,024 Nov 0,022, 0,019, 0,016, 0,013 Dec 0,012, 0,011, 0,010, 0,009 Jan 2024 0,008, 0,007, 0,006, 0,005, 0,004, 0,003, 0,002, 0,001, Feb 0,0007. 0,0005, 0,0003, 0,0001, Feb 23, 2024: 0,00000 Wellbutrin resume tapering: Apr 2024 31,6mg, 30,8, 30 Supplements: Fish Oil (3000mg), Magnesium 100 mg, 2 drops of Lavender Oil, only when feeling extreme anxiety. 50mg of L-Theanine only when severe discontinuation effects caused by Wellbutrin Please note this is NOT a medical advice. Discuss all your medical issues with a doctor who understands psychical drugs and really knows how to withdraw from them. I wish that you will find one. Link to comment
Guest Swiffy Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 Thank you, I have no possibilty to use a PC at the moment.... I only know that I want have this horrible life further.... How is your experience with people that are in the same Situation like me? Greetings Link to comment
Moderator Go2zero Posted August 12, 2021 Moderator Share Posted August 12, 2021 20 minutes ago, Swiffy said: How is your experience with people that are in the same Situation like me? Everybody reacts differently. Some need less time to heal than others. Nobody can tell how it will be in your case. First you need to find stability again. Also that may take time. Stability can be found by stabilizing on a dose (we will get back to you what and how much) and by NOT by going up and down in dosages or by changing meds. This most often just worsens everything and healing will take longer then. https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/6632-the-rule-of-3kis-keep-it-simple-keep-it-slow-keep-it-stable/?tab=comments#comment-525233 1993 Anafranil (Clomipramine) for a few months. Later in 1993 Paxil for a few months 1993- 2006 No medication 2006 Effexor, Cymbalta, some Benzo’s. All for short periods. Later in 2006 Lexapro (escitalopram) 10 mg and shortly after Wellbutrin XR 150mg, against side effects Lexapro Since 2006 until end of 2015: Several times on and off Lexapro and Wellbutrin and several slight dosage changes. Mostly taken dosages: 5mg Lexapro and 150mg Wellbutrin 2016 Dosage change Lexapro from 5mg to 2,5 mg. Wellbutrin stayed om 150mg November 2016 – April 2017 Down from 2,5mg to 0,6mg Lexapro (in steps) without much problems. Wellbutrin down from 150mg to 66mg. Also without much problems. April 2017 – March 2019 Lexapro 0,6 mg April 2017 - August 2018 Wellbutrin in small steps down from 66mg in to 37,5 mg . Quite heavy WD after each step. March 2019 – May 2019 Lexapro down from 0,6 to 0,3mg then Prozac to 0,6 mg switch because severe discontinuation effects (may also have been from Wellbutrin..) Wellbutrin down from 37,5mg to 35,3mg October 2019 Seroquel 12,5 mg for 4 weeks because of extreme sleeping problems, then weaning off in 2 weeks Prozac up dosage to 1,2 mg March 2020 Wellbutrin in 2 steps down from 35,3mg to 33,3mg Extreme withdrawal effects during 8 months. Stopped tapering Wellbutrin until total off Prozac. February 2020 – November 2020 Prozac down in steps from 1,2mg to 0,57mg. Jan 2021 : Prozac down to: 0,55> 0,53>0,51mg, Feb 0,47mg , Mar 0,42mg, Apr 0,37, longer hold because of WD symptoms July 0,36 and hold again, Sept 19 0,35, Sept 26 0,34mg, Oct 3 0,33mg Long hold of 172 days until March 2022 January 20, 2022: Wellbutrin from 33,3 to 32,3mg March 22, 2022 Prozac down from 0,33mg to: 0,30mg, Apr 0,29, May 0,28, 0,27, June 0,26, 0,25, July 0,24, 0,23, 0,22, 0,21, Aug 0,20, 0,19 Sep 0,18, Oct 0,17. 0,16, 0,15, Nov 0,14 Jan 2023 0,13, 0,12, 0,11 Feb 0,10, 0,09 Mar 0,08 , June 0,07 , July 0,06, 0,05, Aug 0,04, 0,03, Sept 0,026, 0,024 Nov 0,022, 0,019, 0,016, 0,013 Dec 0,012, 0,011, 0,010, 0,009 Jan 2024 0,008, 0,007, 0,006, 0,005, 0,004, 0,003, 0,002, 0,001, Feb 0,0007. 0,0005, 0,0003, 0,0001, Feb 23, 2024: 0,00000 Wellbutrin resume tapering: Apr 2024 31,6mg, 30,8, 30 Supplements: Fish Oil (3000mg), Magnesium 100 mg, 2 drops of Lavender Oil, only when feeling extreme anxiety. 50mg of L-Theanine only when severe discontinuation effects caused by Wellbutrin Please note this is NOT a medical advice. Discuss all your medical issues with a doctor who understands psychical drugs and really knows how to withdraw from them. I wish that you will find one. Link to comment
Guest Swiffy Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 Hello, can you Tell me if its good to reduce Mirtazapin? I take it for 2,5 Months and i will not that I' m having a longer withdrawal because i take it too long Link to comment
Guest Swiffy Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 Hello? Can anyone say me if it makes really sense to take Fluoxetin again? You See ist in my Signature how often i tryed IT.... Then all the other medicaments 😞😞 I'm affraid to damage my system more and longer.... Greetings Link to comment
Moderator Go2zero Posted August 14, 2021 Moderator Share Posted August 14, 2021 Why do you take the Mirtazapine in the afternoon at 14.00 hours? Often Mirtzapine can make tired. Try to take it tonight before sleeping. And do not take the zoplicon. The fact that you sleep only 3,5 hours shows that the zoplicon does not do much. Better stop zoplicon I guess. You do not want to get addicted to that.... Ik will come back what to do with the prozac. I am waiting for advise. 1 1993 Anafranil (Clomipramine) for a few months. Later in 1993 Paxil for a few months 1993- 2006 No medication 2006 Effexor, Cymbalta, some Benzo’s. All for short periods. Later in 2006 Lexapro (escitalopram) 10 mg and shortly after Wellbutrin XR 150mg, against side effects Lexapro Since 2006 until end of 2015: Several times on and off Lexapro and Wellbutrin and several slight dosage changes. Mostly taken dosages: 5mg Lexapro and 150mg Wellbutrin 2016 Dosage change Lexapro from 5mg to 2,5 mg. Wellbutrin stayed om 150mg November 2016 – April 2017 Down from 2,5mg to 0,6mg Lexapro (in steps) without much problems. Wellbutrin down from 150mg to 66mg. Also without much problems. April 2017 – March 2019 Lexapro 0,6 mg April 2017 - August 2018 Wellbutrin in small steps down from 66mg in to 37,5 mg . Quite heavy WD after each step. March 2019 – May 2019 Lexapro down from 0,6 to 0,3mg then Prozac to 0,6 mg switch because severe discontinuation effects (may also have been from Wellbutrin..) Wellbutrin down from 37,5mg to 35,3mg October 2019 Seroquel 12,5 mg for 4 weeks because of extreme sleeping problems, then weaning off in 2 weeks Prozac up dosage to 1,2 mg March 2020 Wellbutrin in 2 steps down from 35,3mg to 33,3mg Extreme withdrawal effects during 8 months. Stopped tapering Wellbutrin until total off Prozac. February 2020 – November 2020 Prozac down in steps from 1,2mg to 0,57mg. Jan 2021 : Prozac down to: 0,55> 0,53>0,51mg, Feb 0,47mg , Mar 0,42mg, Apr 0,37, longer hold because of WD symptoms July 0,36 and hold again, Sept 19 0,35, Sept 26 0,34mg, Oct 3 0,33mg Long hold of 172 days until March 2022 January 20, 2022: Wellbutrin from 33,3 to 32,3mg March 22, 2022 Prozac down from 0,33mg to: 0,30mg, Apr 0,29, May 0,28, 0,27, June 0,26, 0,25, July 0,24, 0,23, 0,22, 0,21, Aug 0,20, 0,19 Sep 0,18, Oct 0,17. 0,16, 0,15, Nov 0,14 Jan 2023 0,13, 0,12, 0,11 Feb 0,10, 0,09 Mar 0,08 , June 0,07 , July 0,06, 0,05, Aug 0,04, 0,03, Sept 0,026, 0,024 Nov 0,022, 0,019, 0,016, 0,013 Dec 0,012, 0,011, 0,010, 0,009 Jan 2024 0,008, 0,007, 0,006, 0,005, 0,004, 0,003, 0,002, 0,001, Feb 0,0007. 0,0005, 0,0003, 0,0001, Feb 23, 2024: 0,00000 Wellbutrin resume tapering: Apr 2024 31,6mg, 30,8, 30 Supplements: Fish Oil (3000mg), Magnesium 100 mg, 2 drops of Lavender Oil, only when feeling extreme anxiety. 50mg of L-Theanine only when severe discontinuation effects caused by Wellbutrin Please note this is NOT a medical advice. Discuss all your medical issues with a doctor who understands psychical drugs and really knows how to withdraw from them. I wish that you will find one. Link to comment
Moderator Go2zero Posted August 14, 2021 Moderator Share Posted August 14, 2021 How is your sleeping pattern? What do you do in the hours before going to sleep. At what time do you go sleeping. What do you do when you wake up in the night? 1993 Anafranil (Clomipramine) for a few months. Later in 1993 Paxil for a few months 1993- 2006 No medication 2006 Effexor, Cymbalta, some Benzo’s. All for short periods. Later in 2006 Lexapro (escitalopram) 10 mg and shortly after Wellbutrin XR 150mg, against side effects Lexapro Since 2006 until end of 2015: Several times on and off Lexapro and Wellbutrin and several slight dosage changes. Mostly taken dosages: 5mg Lexapro and 150mg Wellbutrin 2016 Dosage change Lexapro from 5mg to 2,5 mg. Wellbutrin stayed om 150mg November 2016 – April 2017 Down from 2,5mg to 0,6mg Lexapro (in steps) without much problems. Wellbutrin down from 150mg to 66mg. Also without much problems. April 2017 – March 2019 Lexapro 0,6 mg April 2017 - August 2018 Wellbutrin in small steps down from 66mg in to 37,5 mg . Quite heavy WD after each step. March 2019 – May 2019 Lexapro down from 0,6 to 0,3mg then Prozac to 0,6 mg switch because severe discontinuation effects (may also have been from Wellbutrin..) Wellbutrin down from 37,5mg to 35,3mg October 2019 Seroquel 12,5 mg for 4 weeks because of extreme sleeping problems, then weaning off in 2 weeks Prozac up dosage to 1,2 mg March 2020 Wellbutrin in 2 steps down from 35,3mg to 33,3mg Extreme withdrawal effects during 8 months. Stopped tapering Wellbutrin until total off Prozac. February 2020 – November 2020 Prozac down in steps from 1,2mg to 0,57mg. Jan 2021 : Prozac down to: 0,55> 0,53>0,51mg, Feb 0,47mg , Mar 0,42mg, Apr 0,37, longer hold because of WD symptoms July 0,36 and hold again, Sept 19 0,35, Sept 26 0,34mg, Oct 3 0,33mg Long hold of 172 days until March 2022 January 20, 2022: Wellbutrin from 33,3 to 32,3mg March 22, 2022 Prozac down from 0,33mg to: 0,30mg, Apr 0,29, May 0,28, 0,27, June 0,26, 0,25, July 0,24, 0,23, 0,22, 0,21, Aug 0,20, 0,19 Sep 0,18, Oct 0,17. 0,16, 0,15, Nov 0,14 Jan 2023 0,13, 0,12, 0,11 Feb 0,10, 0,09 Mar 0,08 , June 0,07 , July 0,06, 0,05, Aug 0,04, 0,03, Sept 0,026, 0,024 Nov 0,022, 0,019, 0,016, 0,013 Dec 0,012, 0,011, 0,010, 0,009 Jan 2024 0,008, 0,007, 0,006, 0,005, 0,004, 0,003, 0,002, 0,001, Feb 0,0007. 0,0005, 0,0003, 0,0001, Feb 23, 2024: 0,00000 Wellbutrin resume tapering: Apr 2024 31,6mg, 30,8, 30 Supplements: Fish Oil (3000mg), Magnesium 100 mg, 2 drops of Lavender Oil, only when feeling extreme anxiety. 50mg of L-Theanine only when severe discontinuation effects caused by Wellbutrin Please note this is NOT a medical advice. Discuss all your medical issues with a doctor who understands psychical drugs and really knows how to withdraw from them. I wish that you will find one. Link to comment
Guest Swiffy Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 Hi, I take it at 14 h pm because it was often when i got tired in the evening an would go to bed then i took the Mirtazapin bevore sleeping and IT makes me totally awake... This ist very bad. I feel like a Zombie, have bad minds since i take it and when i sleep i have only horrible Nightmares. Therefore i take it at midday. I have no sleep with Mirtazapin. That was only the first time. So i realise if its the best when i dont use. At moment i take 7,5 mg and i like to reduce it.... Before i go to bed i take a little walk, no Handy. I cant read at moment or watching TV, therefore the possibiltys are very less..... Greetings Link to comment
Moderator Go2zero Posted August 14, 2021 Moderator Share Posted August 14, 2021 OK, thank for info. Probably the Mirtazepine can be tapered down, but I want to be sure. I will come back to you after having the advice I need. 1993 Anafranil (Clomipramine) for a few months. Later in 1993 Paxil for a few months 1993- 2006 No medication 2006 Effexor, Cymbalta, some Benzo’s. All for short periods. Later in 2006 Lexapro (escitalopram) 10 mg and shortly after Wellbutrin XR 150mg, against side effects Lexapro Since 2006 until end of 2015: Several times on and off Lexapro and Wellbutrin and several slight dosage changes. Mostly taken dosages: 5mg Lexapro and 150mg Wellbutrin 2016 Dosage change Lexapro from 5mg to 2,5 mg. Wellbutrin stayed om 150mg November 2016 – April 2017 Down from 2,5mg to 0,6mg Lexapro (in steps) without much problems. Wellbutrin down from 150mg to 66mg. Also without much problems. April 2017 – March 2019 Lexapro 0,6 mg April 2017 - August 2018 Wellbutrin in small steps down from 66mg in to 37,5 mg . Quite heavy WD after each step. March 2019 – May 2019 Lexapro down from 0,6 to 0,3mg then Prozac to 0,6 mg switch because severe discontinuation effects (may also have been from Wellbutrin..) Wellbutrin down from 37,5mg to 35,3mg October 2019 Seroquel 12,5 mg for 4 weeks because of extreme sleeping problems, then weaning off in 2 weeks Prozac up dosage to 1,2 mg March 2020 Wellbutrin in 2 steps down from 35,3mg to 33,3mg Extreme withdrawal effects during 8 months. Stopped tapering Wellbutrin until total off Prozac. February 2020 – November 2020 Prozac down in steps from 1,2mg to 0,57mg. Jan 2021 : Prozac down to: 0,55> 0,53>0,51mg, Feb 0,47mg , Mar 0,42mg, Apr 0,37, longer hold because of WD symptoms July 0,36 and hold again, Sept 19 0,35, Sept 26 0,34mg, Oct 3 0,33mg Long hold of 172 days until March 2022 January 20, 2022: Wellbutrin from 33,3 to 32,3mg March 22, 2022 Prozac down from 0,33mg to: 0,30mg, Apr 0,29, May 0,28, 0,27, June 0,26, 0,25, July 0,24, 0,23, 0,22, 0,21, Aug 0,20, 0,19 Sep 0,18, Oct 0,17. 0,16, 0,15, Nov 0,14 Jan 2023 0,13, 0,12, 0,11 Feb 0,10, 0,09 Mar 0,08 , June 0,07 , July 0,06, 0,05, Aug 0,04, 0,03, Sept 0,026, 0,024 Nov 0,022, 0,019, 0,016, 0,013 Dec 0,012, 0,011, 0,010, 0,009 Jan 2024 0,008, 0,007, 0,006, 0,005, 0,004, 0,003, 0,002, 0,001, Feb 0,0007. 0,0005, 0,0003, 0,0001, Feb 23, 2024: 0,00000 Wellbutrin resume tapering: Apr 2024 31,6mg, 30,8, 30 Supplements: Fish Oil (3000mg), Magnesium 100 mg, 2 drops of Lavender Oil, only when feeling extreme anxiety. 50mg of L-Theanine only when severe discontinuation effects caused by Wellbutrin Please note this is NOT a medical advice. Discuss all your medical issues with a doctor who understands psychical drugs and really knows how to withdraw from them. I wish that you will find one. Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted August 14, 2021 Administrator Share Posted August 14, 2021 @Swiffy, have you been taking 7.5mg mirtazapine? Mirtazapine can be more sedating at lower doses. You might do better with it if you reduced it to 5mg. How long have you been taking 7.5mg mirtazapine every day? We need to know in order to advise you how to reduce it. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Guest Swiffy Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 Hallo! I take it since 30.05. What about the Fluoxetin? Greetings Link to comment
Moderator Go2zero Posted August 15, 2021 Moderator Share Posted August 15, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Swiffy said: I take it since 30.05. You write in your signature that you take Mirtazapin since May 30, but that was at dosages of 15-30 mg. Exactly when did you switch to 7,5mg? Please describe in detail with dates (or at least weeks) how and when you tapered down (including the dosages) the Mirtazapine to 7,5 mg. Please also update your signature with these data. Did you stop the zoplicon? How was your sleep last nights? Edited August 15, 2021 by Go2zero 1993 Anafranil (Clomipramine) for a few months. Later in 1993 Paxil for a few months 1993- 2006 No medication 2006 Effexor, Cymbalta, some Benzo’s. All for short periods. Later in 2006 Lexapro (escitalopram) 10 mg and shortly after Wellbutrin XR 150mg, against side effects Lexapro Since 2006 until end of 2015: Several times on and off Lexapro and Wellbutrin and several slight dosage changes. Mostly taken dosages: 5mg Lexapro and 150mg Wellbutrin 2016 Dosage change Lexapro from 5mg to 2,5 mg. Wellbutrin stayed om 150mg November 2016 – April 2017 Down from 2,5mg to 0,6mg Lexapro (in steps) without much problems. Wellbutrin down from 150mg to 66mg. Also without much problems. April 2017 – March 2019 Lexapro 0,6 mg April 2017 - August 2018 Wellbutrin in small steps down from 66mg in to 37,5 mg . Quite heavy WD after each step. March 2019 – May 2019 Lexapro down from 0,6 to 0,3mg then Prozac to 0,6 mg switch because severe discontinuation effects (may also have been from Wellbutrin..) Wellbutrin down from 37,5mg to 35,3mg October 2019 Seroquel 12,5 mg for 4 weeks because of extreme sleeping problems, then weaning off in 2 weeks Prozac up dosage to 1,2 mg March 2020 Wellbutrin in 2 steps down from 35,3mg to 33,3mg Extreme withdrawal effects during 8 months. Stopped tapering Wellbutrin until total off Prozac. February 2020 – November 2020 Prozac down in steps from 1,2mg to 0,57mg. Jan 2021 : Prozac down to: 0,55> 0,53>0,51mg, Feb 0,47mg , Mar 0,42mg, Apr 0,37, longer hold because of WD symptoms July 0,36 and hold again, Sept 19 0,35, Sept 26 0,34mg, Oct 3 0,33mg Long hold of 172 days until March 2022 January 20, 2022: Wellbutrin from 33,3 to 32,3mg March 22, 2022 Prozac down from 0,33mg to: 0,30mg, Apr 0,29, May 0,28, 0,27, June 0,26, 0,25, July 0,24, 0,23, 0,22, 0,21, Aug 0,20, 0,19 Sep 0,18, Oct 0,17. 0,16, 0,15, Nov 0,14 Jan 2023 0,13, 0,12, 0,11 Feb 0,10, 0,09 Mar 0,08 , June 0,07 , July 0,06, 0,05, Aug 0,04, 0,03, Sept 0,026, 0,024 Nov 0,022, 0,019, 0,016, 0,013 Dec 0,012, 0,011, 0,010, 0,009 Jan 2024 0,008, 0,007, 0,006, 0,005, 0,004, 0,003, 0,002, 0,001, Feb 0,0007. 0,0005, 0,0003, 0,0001, Feb 23, 2024: 0,00000 Wellbutrin resume tapering: Apr 2024 31,6mg, 30,8, 30 Supplements: Fish Oil (3000mg), Magnesium 100 mg, 2 drops of Lavender Oil, only when feeling extreme anxiety. 50mg of L-Theanine only when severe discontinuation effects caused by Wellbutrin Please note this is NOT a medical advice. Discuss all your medical issues with a doctor who understands psychical drugs and really knows how to withdraw from them. I wish that you will find one. Link to comment
Guest Swiffy Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 Hi, signature is completed. Last night i slept 0 hours. Its the big Problem that I dont sleep (0 - 3 hours) since the crash at the 15-5 My sleep ist horrible. Only Nightmares and anxiety states when i wake up. With Zoplicon its the Problem that the sleeping time gets less and less with one Dosis. I stopped IT Yesterday Greetings Link to comment
PsychologicalSafe15 Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 what do you mean by nightmares ? is it vivid dreams ? 2017 october--2018 march->(6 month) fluoxetine 20,30 mg-->cold turkey= after 2 month semen leakage 2018 july---2018 Aug-->(24 days) fluoxetine 20 mg --> cold turkey = vivid dreams begin 2018 december 2019 Jan-->(1 month) Amitriptyline 25--> cold turkey --------++++--horror of drugs begins. Taking one after another and cold turkey-------+++------------------ 2019 May--2019 May--> (12 days) Lexapro cold turkey 2019 May--2019 august -->(3 month)Cobazam 10 mg +amitriptyline 25 mg --> clobazam cold turkey ----2019 october ---> went cold turkey amitriptyline 25 mg. 2019 october--2020 Jan -->(3 months) duloxetine cymbalta 30mg --->cold turkey 2020 jan-2020 Apr--> (3 months) paroxetine 25 mg --> Cold turkey 2020 July--2021 Jan--> (6 months) amitriptyline 50 mg ,75 mg,100 mg ,125 mg -> cold turkey 2021 jan--2021 May--> (4 months) imipramine 75 mg -->cold turkey 2021 may-2021 Aug--> (3 months) nortriptyline 25 mg --> cold turkey== still semen leakage and vivid dream Link to comment
Guest Swiffy Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 Yes, absolutely horrible!!!! Link to comment
Moderator Go2zero Posted August 15, 2021 Moderator Share Posted August 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Swiffy said: Last night i slept 0 hours. Its the big Problem that I dont sleep (0 - 3 hours) since the crash at the 15-5 My sleep ist horrible. Only Nightmares and anxiety states when i wake up. This is very typical after a too fast taper or stop of the meds you took. I have experienced it myself 3 times before I found this website. Most doctors say we need the meds when this happens and give more and more meds, just as they did with you. And this makes everything worse. I know it is hell! But I also know, from experience that this will go away. But it may take time. But the more changes you make in meds and dosages the worse it may become. You need to get stable, so no more unnecessary changes! Therefor I need some more time to get advice to give you the right direction. Please understand that this will go away. But be patient and have faith! I will come back to you with more advice. 1993 Anafranil (Clomipramine) for a few months. Later in 1993 Paxil for a few months 1993- 2006 No medication 2006 Effexor, Cymbalta, some Benzo’s. All for short periods. Later in 2006 Lexapro (escitalopram) 10 mg and shortly after Wellbutrin XR 150mg, against side effects Lexapro Since 2006 until end of 2015: Several times on and off Lexapro and Wellbutrin and several slight dosage changes. Mostly taken dosages: 5mg Lexapro and 150mg Wellbutrin 2016 Dosage change Lexapro from 5mg to 2,5 mg. Wellbutrin stayed om 150mg November 2016 – April 2017 Down from 2,5mg to 0,6mg Lexapro (in steps) without much problems. Wellbutrin down from 150mg to 66mg. Also without much problems. April 2017 – March 2019 Lexapro 0,6 mg April 2017 - August 2018 Wellbutrin in small steps down from 66mg in to 37,5 mg . Quite heavy WD after each step. March 2019 – May 2019 Lexapro down from 0,6 to 0,3mg then Prozac to 0,6 mg switch because severe discontinuation effects (may also have been from Wellbutrin..) Wellbutrin down from 37,5mg to 35,3mg October 2019 Seroquel 12,5 mg for 4 weeks because of extreme sleeping problems, then weaning off in 2 weeks Prozac up dosage to 1,2 mg March 2020 Wellbutrin in 2 steps down from 35,3mg to 33,3mg Extreme withdrawal effects during 8 months. Stopped tapering Wellbutrin until total off Prozac. February 2020 – November 2020 Prozac down in steps from 1,2mg to 0,57mg. Jan 2021 : Prozac down to: 0,55> 0,53>0,51mg, Feb 0,47mg , Mar 0,42mg, Apr 0,37, longer hold because of WD symptoms July 0,36 and hold again, Sept 19 0,35, Sept 26 0,34mg, Oct 3 0,33mg Long hold of 172 days until March 2022 January 20, 2022: Wellbutrin from 33,3 to 32,3mg March 22, 2022 Prozac down from 0,33mg to: 0,30mg, Apr 0,29, May 0,28, 0,27, June 0,26, 0,25, July 0,24, 0,23, 0,22, 0,21, Aug 0,20, 0,19 Sep 0,18, Oct 0,17. 0,16, 0,15, Nov 0,14 Jan 2023 0,13, 0,12, 0,11 Feb 0,10, 0,09 Mar 0,08 , June 0,07 , July 0,06, 0,05, Aug 0,04, 0,03, Sept 0,026, 0,024 Nov 0,022, 0,019, 0,016, 0,013 Dec 0,012, 0,011, 0,010, 0,009 Jan 2024 0,008, 0,007, 0,006, 0,005, 0,004, 0,003, 0,002, 0,001, Feb 0,0007. 0,0005, 0,0003, 0,0001, Feb 23, 2024: 0,00000 Wellbutrin resume tapering: Apr 2024 31,6mg, 30,8, 30 Supplements: Fish Oil (3000mg), Magnesium 100 mg, 2 drops of Lavender Oil, only when feeling extreme anxiety. 50mg of L-Theanine only when severe discontinuation effects caused by Wellbutrin Please note this is NOT a medical advice. Discuss all your medical issues with a doctor who understands psychical drugs and really knows how to withdraw from them. I wish that you will find one. Link to comment
Guest Swiffy Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 Thanks, how long was you sleepless? Link to comment
Guest Swiffy Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 Althrostata said that I should take 1 mg. This would be the second try to take it again. First a took 0,5 mg and stopped it to fast and made to big steps. I tried to go from 0,26 to 0,34 back and since then im sleepless. This was the horribelst time in my Life, i tried IT for 12 days and then i went to the Psychiatrie.... Im totally depersonalisized, have Akathisie etc. Therefore im afraid to Take it again.... I took 2,5 mg at the 02.08. dir days and IT was not good 😰 This was before 2 weeks and since then im no more getting tired 😳 Can anyone tell me if i should take the 1 mg???? Im so afraid, it feels so bad in my whole body. Im totally Out of Order AND the Mirtazapin ist not good for me too... Greetings Link to comment
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