Boomer Posted October 13, 2016 Author Share Posted October 13, 2016 Does anyone know how long it takes for the withdrawals to appear? I guess that is the same as asking how long is a piece of string!! Effexor Brand changed over to Enlafax XR sometime during the first three months of 2017. Reduced to 12.5mg Olanzapine, last reduction 25/4/17 on advice from PDoc to reduce the severe Akathesia, Panick Attacks and other disabling symptoms. 7/4/17 Propronolol @ 40mg x 3 times per day increasing as required. 160mg Slow Release x 3 times per day for disabling Panic Attacks. 15/5/17 medication mix up, somewhere prior Mirtazapine increased to 60mg per day. PDoc concerned of Seratonin Syndrome reduced to 30mg per day. 21/6/17 Effexor 37.5mg reduced. 22/8/17 Mirtazapine reduced 15mg. 14/9/17 Developed GERD added 40mg Omeprazole x 1, 200mg x1 Ferrous Fumarate, 17/9/17 Propranolol dosage between 320mg to 400mg 3 to 4x per every second day for disabling Panic Attacks. 17/9/17 Current Medication: 12.5mg Olanzapine, 187.5mg Enlafax XR, 15mg Mirtazpine, Propranolol Slow Release 160mg x 3 pd, Propranolol 320mg to 400mg x 3 or 4 x perday. 40mg Omeprazole x 1, 200mg x 1 Ferrous Fumarate 29/9/17 Propranolol Slow Release 160mg x 3pd, Propranolol 120mg x 3 pd = 840mg per day. 9/10/17 Propranolol Slow Release 160mg x 3 per day, Propranolol 80mg x 3 per day = 720mg per day. Increased 10/9/17 Propranolol 840mg per day. 14/10/17 Reduced Mirtazapine to13.5mg 18/10/17 Removed Mirtazpine 13.5mg 23/10/17 Reducing Propranolol by 10mg every second day down to 400mg per day. 13/12/17 Now at 400mg Propranolol per day - holding. 20/12/17 Reduced Olanzapine by 10% to 11.25mg. 21/1/18: Reduced Olanzapine by .625mg Reducing Propranolol by 10mg per week. 8/3/18 Reduced Olanzapine by .625mg . 6/4/18 Reduced .625mg Olanzapine. 4/5/18 Reduced .625 Olanzapine 31/5/18 Changed from Propranolol 160 SR to Propranolol 160. 8/6/18 Morning Olanzapine changed to wafer and reduced by .10mg. 15/6/18 Reduced Olanzapine by .10mg per week Current Medication: 8.345mg Olanzapine; 187.50 Enlafax SR; Propranolol 55mg x 4 per day. Minimum 30mins exercise per day. Fortisip x 2 per day. 6/7/18 Admitted to Hospital with Chronic Aspiration Pneumonia - medications reduced. 8/11/18 Effexor XR 75mg morning and 37.5mg evening, Madopar Rapid 62.5mg x 4 per day. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted October 14, 2016 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted October 14, 2016 "I guess that is the same as asking how long is a piece of string!!" Yep, you answered your own question! * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment
AliG Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 Hi Boomer. I would take a very conservative approach to your taper. In a nutshell, the 10% taper method recommends a 10% dosage reduction every 4 weeks, with the 10% calculated on the last dosage. The amount of decrease is proportionate to the last dosage (not the original prescription) and keeps getting smaller. Many people do fine with a faster taper. Are you one of them? You can't tell ahead of time.It's best to go slowly at first to find out how you tolerate a reduction. Once you damage your nervous system with withdrawal symptoms, it can take a very long time to feel good again.The 10% method protects everyone and you have the option of tapering faster if you can tolerate it.Follow this harm reduction approach to starting your taper: Initially, make a 10% reduction and hold there for a MONTH. It can take several weeks for withdrawal symptoms to emerge. Do that again the second month. If you have very minor or no symptoms from these 2 reductions, you can try reducing by 10% (calculated on the last dosage, the amount of decrease keeps getting smaller) every 3 weeks. Do that twice. If no problems, reduce by 10% every 2 weeks. Do that twice. If no problems after 4.5 months of very gradual reduction, you may be able to reduce by 10% every week. If significant withdrawal symptoms appear, make smaller cuts or go slower. Listen to your body. "Jump off" at the end when you are taking less than 98% of the original dose and reductions no longer cause any reaction at all. Under this method, the fastest taper takes about 12 months. This is copied from the 10 % taper thread. I don't think you can be too careful or take it too slowly. I hope it goes well. Ali Many SSRI's and SSNRI's over 20 years. Zoloft for 7 years followed by Effexor, Lexapro, Prozac, Cymbalta, Celexa, Pristiq, Valdoxan, Mianserin and more - on and off. No tapering. Cold turkey off Valdoxan - end of May 2014 Psych Drug - free since May 2014 . Link to comment
nz11 Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 Very sad news about the mental health situation in NZ? Its in an out of control situation http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/315482/dhb-member-joins-call-for-national-mental-health-inquiry It was time for an "in-depth examination" of services and the cause of the increased demand, Mr Dunham said. "Be it alcohol, be it illicit drugs, be it environmental issues - we need to understand what those are." I think we all know the reason for this increased demand.. Id like to know what Ross Bremner was swallowing. Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing. http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651 Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos. Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you Recovering paxil addict None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped." Dr Mosher. Me too! Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015 I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015 Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017 Link to comment
Boomer Posted October 17, 2016 Author Share Posted October 17, 2016 Yes I agree! Very sad news about the mental health situation in NZ? Its in an out of control situation http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/315482/dhb-member-joins-call-for-national-mental-health-inquiry It was time for an "in-depth examination" of services and the cause of the increased demand, Mr Dunham said. "Be it alcohol, be it illicit drugs, be it environmental issues - we need to understand what those are." I think we all know the reason for this increased demand.. Id like to know what Ross Bremner was swallowing. Effexor Brand changed over to Enlafax XR sometime during the first three months of 2017. Reduced to 12.5mg Olanzapine, last reduction 25/4/17 on advice from PDoc to reduce the severe Akathesia, Panick Attacks and other disabling symptoms. 7/4/17 Propronolol @ 40mg x 3 times per day increasing as required. 160mg Slow Release x 3 times per day for disabling Panic Attacks. 15/5/17 medication mix up, somewhere prior Mirtazapine increased to 60mg per day. PDoc concerned of Seratonin Syndrome reduced to 30mg per day. 21/6/17 Effexor 37.5mg reduced. 22/8/17 Mirtazapine reduced 15mg. 14/9/17 Developed GERD added 40mg Omeprazole x 1, 200mg x1 Ferrous Fumarate, 17/9/17 Propranolol dosage between 320mg to 400mg 3 to 4x per every second day for disabling Panic Attacks. 17/9/17 Current Medication: 12.5mg Olanzapine, 187.5mg Enlafax XR, 15mg Mirtazpine, Propranolol Slow Release 160mg x 3 pd, Propranolol 320mg to 400mg x 3 or 4 x perday. 40mg Omeprazole x 1, 200mg x 1 Ferrous Fumarate 29/9/17 Propranolol Slow Release 160mg x 3pd, Propranolol 120mg x 3 pd = 840mg per day. 9/10/17 Propranolol Slow Release 160mg x 3 per day, Propranolol 80mg x 3 per day = 720mg per day. Increased 10/9/17 Propranolol 840mg per day. 14/10/17 Reduced Mirtazapine to13.5mg 18/10/17 Removed Mirtazpine 13.5mg 23/10/17 Reducing Propranolol by 10mg every second day down to 400mg per day. 13/12/17 Now at 400mg Propranolol per day - holding. 20/12/17 Reduced Olanzapine by 10% to 11.25mg. 21/1/18: Reduced Olanzapine by .625mg Reducing Propranolol by 10mg per week. 8/3/18 Reduced Olanzapine by .625mg . 6/4/18 Reduced .625mg Olanzapine. 4/5/18 Reduced .625 Olanzapine 31/5/18 Changed from Propranolol 160 SR to Propranolol 160. 8/6/18 Morning Olanzapine changed to wafer and reduced by .10mg. 15/6/18 Reduced Olanzapine by .10mg per week Current Medication: 8.345mg Olanzapine; 187.50 Enlafax SR; Propranolol 55mg x 4 per day. Minimum 30mins exercise per day. Fortisip x 2 per day. 6/7/18 Admitted to Hospital with Chronic Aspiration Pneumonia - medications reduced. 8/11/18 Effexor XR 75mg morning and 37.5mg evening, Madopar Rapid 62.5mg x 4 per day. Link to comment
Boomer Posted November 13, 2016 Author Share Posted November 13, 2016 Husband tapered his first dose of Olanzapine at 6.25% held for a month and was stable then second cut tapered to 6.67% (did this by cutting the 2.5mg in half). One week after the second cut he experienced what he called Anxiety but it could be Inner Restlessness. It is just over two weeks since the second cut and he has experienced nausea, anxiety etc. The ravenous appetite has gone. I can tell he is feeling uncomfortable. Just wondering if to hold until things settle down or to increase the dose back up? Effexor Brand changed over to Enlafax XR sometime during the first three months of 2017. Reduced to 12.5mg Olanzapine, last reduction 25/4/17 on advice from PDoc to reduce the severe Akathesia, Panick Attacks and other disabling symptoms. 7/4/17 Propronolol @ 40mg x 3 times per day increasing as required. 160mg Slow Release x 3 times per day for disabling Panic Attacks. 15/5/17 medication mix up, somewhere prior Mirtazapine increased to 60mg per day. PDoc concerned of Seratonin Syndrome reduced to 30mg per day. 21/6/17 Effexor 37.5mg reduced. 22/8/17 Mirtazapine reduced 15mg. 14/9/17 Developed GERD added 40mg Omeprazole x 1, 200mg x1 Ferrous Fumarate, 17/9/17 Propranolol dosage between 320mg to 400mg 3 to 4x per every second day for disabling Panic Attacks. 17/9/17 Current Medication: 12.5mg Olanzapine, 187.5mg Enlafax XR, 15mg Mirtazpine, Propranolol Slow Release 160mg x 3 pd, Propranolol 320mg to 400mg x 3 or 4 x perday. 40mg Omeprazole x 1, 200mg x 1 Ferrous Fumarate 29/9/17 Propranolol Slow Release 160mg x 3pd, Propranolol 120mg x 3 pd = 840mg per day. 9/10/17 Propranolol Slow Release 160mg x 3 per day, Propranolol 80mg x 3 per day = 720mg per day. Increased 10/9/17 Propranolol 840mg per day. 14/10/17 Reduced Mirtazapine to13.5mg 18/10/17 Removed Mirtazpine 13.5mg 23/10/17 Reducing Propranolol by 10mg every second day down to 400mg per day. 13/12/17 Now at 400mg Propranolol per day - holding. 20/12/17 Reduced Olanzapine by 10% to 11.25mg. 21/1/18: Reduced Olanzapine by .625mg Reducing Propranolol by 10mg per week. 8/3/18 Reduced Olanzapine by .625mg . 6/4/18 Reduced .625mg Olanzapine. 4/5/18 Reduced .625 Olanzapine 31/5/18 Changed from Propranolol 160 SR to Propranolol 160. 8/6/18 Morning Olanzapine changed to wafer and reduced by .10mg. 15/6/18 Reduced Olanzapine by .10mg per week Current Medication: 8.345mg Olanzapine; 187.50 Enlafax SR; Propranolol 55mg x 4 per day. Minimum 30mins exercise per day. Fortisip x 2 per day. 6/7/18 Admitted to Hospital with Chronic Aspiration Pneumonia - medications reduced. 8/11/18 Effexor XR 75mg morning and 37.5mg evening, Madopar Rapid 62.5mg x 4 per day. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus KarenB Posted November 14, 2016 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted November 14, 2016 Has there been any improvement over these two weeks? The settled appetite would be one, I imagine. If there are improvements, then I'd suggest continuing to hold. Can you clarify what % of his previous dose was that 2nd cut? 2010 Fluoxetine 20mg. 2011 Escitalopram 20mg. 2013 Tapered badly and destabilised CNS. Effexor 150mg. 2015 Begin using info at SurvivingAntidepressants. Cut 10% - bad w/d 2 months, held 1 month. Micro-tapering: four weekly 0.4% cuts, hold 4 weeks (struggling with symptoms). 8 month hold. 2017 Micro-tapering: four weekly 1% cuts, hold 4 weeks (symptoms almost non-existent). 2020 Still micro-tapering. Just over 2/3 of the way off effexor. Minimal symptoms, - and sleeping well. Supplements: Fish oil, vitamin C, iron, oat-straw tea, nettle tea. 2023 December - Now on 5 micro-beads Effexor. Minimal symptoms but much more time needed between drops. Symptoms begin to increase. 2024 April - Updosed to 6 microbeads - immediate increase in symptoms for 4 days. Decreased to 5 microbeads. 'The possibility of renewal exists so long as life exists.' Dr Gabor Mate. Link to comment
Boomer Posted November 16, 2016 Author Share Posted November 16, 2016 Has there been any improvement over these two weeks? The settled appetite would be one, I imagine. If there are improvements, then I'd suggest continuing to hold. Can you clarify what % of his previous dose was that 2nd cut? Hi Karen, Yes I put the percentage dose in my main message but I will put it in my signature. the second cut was 6.67%. He is experiencing awful anxiety/nausea in the morning but says it is manageable by afternoon. As you can imagine we are both very scared as we don't want another repeat of what has happened previously. My husband has decided to persevere without increasing and to hold until stable. Effexor Brand changed over to Enlafax XR sometime during the first three months of 2017. Reduced to 12.5mg Olanzapine, last reduction 25/4/17 on advice from PDoc to reduce the severe Akathesia, Panick Attacks and other disabling symptoms. 7/4/17 Propronolol @ 40mg x 3 times per day increasing as required. 160mg Slow Release x 3 times per day for disabling Panic Attacks. 15/5/17 medication mix up, somewhere prior Mirtazapine increased to 60mg per day. PDoc concerned of Seratonin Syndrome reduced to 30mg per day. 21/6/17 Effexor 37.5mg reduced. 22/8/17 Mirtazapine reduced 15mg. 14/9/17 Developed GERD added 40mg Omeprazole x 1, 200mg x1 Ferrous Fumarate, 17/9/17 Propranolol dosage between 320mg to 400mg 3 to 4x per every second day for disabling Panic Attacks. 17/9/17 Current Medication: 12.5mg Olanzapine, 187.5mg Enlafax XR, 15mg Mirtazpine, Propranolol Slow Release 160mg x 3 pd, Propranolol 320mg to 400mg x 3 or 4 x perday. 40mg Omeprazole x 1, 200mg x 1 Ferrous Fumarate 29/9/17 Propranolol Slow Release 160mg x 3pd, Propranolol 120mg x 3 pd = 840mg per day. 9/10/17 Propranolol Slow Release 160mg x 3 per day, Propranolol 80mg x 3 per day = 720mg per day. Increased 10/9/17 Propranolol 840mg per day. 14/10/17 Reduced Mirtazapine to13.5mg 18/10/17 Removed Mirtazpine 13.5mg 23/10/17 Reducing Propranolol by 10mg every second day down to 400mg per day. 13/12/17 Now at 400mg Propranolol per day - holding. 20/12/17 Reduced Olanzapine by 10% to 11.25mg. 21/1/18: Reduced Olanzapine by .625mg Reducing Propranolol by 10mg per week. 8/3/18 Reduced Olanzapine by .625mg . 6/4/18 Reduced .625mg Olanzapine. 4/5/18 Reduced .625 Olanzapine 31/5/18 Changed from Propranolol 160 SR to Propranolol 160. 8/6/18 Morning Olanzapine changed to wafer and reduced by .10mg. 15/6/18 Reduced Olanzapine by .10mg per week Current Medication: 8.345mg Olanzapine; 187.50 Enlafax SR; Propranolol 55mg x 4 per day. Minimum 30mins exercise per day. Fortisip x 2 per day. 6/7/18 Admitted to Hospital with Chronic Aspiration Pneumonia - medications reduced. 8/11/18 Effexor XR 75mg morning and 37.5mg evening, Madopar Rapid 62.5mg x 4 per day. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus KarenB Posted November 16, 2016 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted November 16, 2016 I'd continue to hold, as long as there are small improvements. I'd also suggest that next time he feels ready to taper (and I wouldn't rush) to reduce by a smaller percentage. You'll probably both feel better on an extra-slow path. I know this is nerve-racking stuff. I feel it when I make a reduction myself, and I've had nowhere near the trauma you two have been through. You're managing this really well, and I know a lot of people on SA are holding you in their hearts. Karen x 2010 Fluoxetine 20mg. 2011 Escitalopram 20mg. 2013 Tapered badly and destabilised CNS. Effexor 150mg. 2015 Begin using info at SurvivingAntidepressants. Cut 10% - bad w/d 2 months, held 1 month. Micro-tapering: four weekly 0.4% cuts, hold 4 weeks (struggling with symptoms). 8 month hold. 2017 Micro-tapering: four weekly 1% cuts, hold 4 weeks (symptoms almost non-existent). 2020 Still micro-tapering. Just over 2/3 of the way off effexor. Minimal symptoms, - and sleeping well. Supplements: Fish oil, vitamin C, iron, oat-straw tea, nettle tea. 2023 December - Now on 5 micro-beads Effexor. Minimal symptoms but much more time needed between drops. Symptoms begin to increase. 2024 April - Updosed to 6 microbeads - immediate increase in symptoms for 4 days. Decreased to 5 microbeads. 'The possibility of renewal exists so long as life exists.' Dr Gabor Mate. Link to comment
Boomer Posted November 16, 2016 Author Share Posted November 16, 2016 I'd continue to hold, as long as there are small improvements. I'd also suggest that next time he feels ready to taper (and I wouldn't rush) to reduce by a smaller percentage. You'll probably both feel better on an extra-slow path. I know this is nerve-racking stuff. I feel it when I make a reduction myself, and I've had nowhere near the trauma you two have been through. You're managing this really well, and I know a lot of people on SA are holding you in their hearts. Karen x Thanks - needed to hear that. xx Effexor Brand changed over to Enlafax XR sometime during the first three months of 2017. Reduced to 12.5mg Olanzapine, last reduction 25/4/17 on advice from PDoc to reduce the severe Akathesia, Panick Attacks and other disabling symptoms. 7/4/17 Propronolol @ 40mg x 3 times per day increasing as required. 160mg Slow Release x 3 times per day for disabling Panic Attacks. 15/5/17 medication mix up, somewhere prior Mirtazapine increased to 60mg per day. PDoc concerned of Seratonin Syndrome reduced to 30mg per day. 21/6/17 Effexor 37.5mg reduced. 22/8/17 Mirtazapine reduced 15mg. 14/9/17 Developed GERD added 40mg Omeprazole x 1, 200mg x1 Ferrous Fumarate, 17/9/17 Propranolol dosage between 320mg to 400mg 3 to 4x per every second day for disabling Panic Attacks. 17/9/17 Current Medication: 12.5mg Olanzapine, 187.5mg Enlafax XR, 15mg Mirtazpine, Propranolol Slow Release 160mg x 3 pd, Propranolol 320mg to 400mg x 3 or 4 x perday. 40mg Omeprazole x 1, 200mg x 1 Ferrous Fumarate 29/9/17 Propranolol Slow Release 160mg x 3pd, Propranolol 120mg x 3 pd = 840mg per day. 9/10/17 Propranolol Slow Release 160mg x 3 per day, Propranolol 80mg x 3 per day = 720mg per day. Increased 10/9/17 Propranolol 840mg per day. 14/10/17 Reduced Mirtazapine to13.5mg 18/10/17 Removed Mirtazpine 13.5mg 23/10/17 Reducing Propranolol by 10mg every second day down to 400mg per day. 13/12/17 Now at 400mg Propranolol per day - holding. 20/12/17 Reduced Olanzapine by 10% to 11.25mg. 21/1/18: Reduced Olanzapine by .625mg Reducing Propranolol by 10mg per week. 8/3/18 Reduced Olanzapine by .625mg . 6/4/18 Reduced .625mg Olanzapine. 4/5/18 Reduced .625 Olanzapine 31/5/18 Changed from Propranolol 160 SR to Propranolol 160. 8/6/18 Morning Olanzapine changed to wafer and reduced by .10mg. 15/6/18 Reduced Olanzapine by .10mg per week Current Medication: 8.345mg Olanzapine; 187.50 Enlafax SR; Propranolol 55mg x 4 per day. Minimum 30mins exercise per day. Fortisip x 2 per day. 6/7/18 Admitted to Hospital with Chronic Aspiration Pneumonia - medications reduced. 8/11/18 Effexor XR 75mg morning and 37.5mg evening, Madopar Rapid 62.5mg x 4 per day. Link to comment
Boomer Posted December 6, 2016 Author Share Posted December 6, 2016 Tried to hold but found symptoms continued to become worse so increased as in my signature. Husband still experiencing high anxiety and inner restlessness. Any other ideas please? Effexor Brand changed over to Enlafax XR sometime during the first three months of 2017. Reduced to 12.5mg Olanzapine, last reduction 25/4/17 on advice from PDoc to reduce the severe Akathesia, Panick Attacks and other disabling symptoms. 7/4/17 Propronolol @ 40mg x 3 times per day increasing as required. 160mg Slow Release x 3 times per day for disabling Panic Attacks. 15/5/17 medication mix up, somewhere prior Mirtazapine increased to 60mg per day. PDoc concerned of Seratonin Syndrome reduced to 30mg per day. 21/6/17 Effexor 37.5mg reduced. 22/8/17 Mirtazapine reduced 15mg. 14/9/17 Developed GERD added 40mg Omeprazole x 1, 200mg x1 Ferrous Fumarate, 17/9/17 Propranolol dosage between 320mg to 400mg 3 to 4x per every second day for disabling Panic Attacks. 17/9/17 Current Medication: 12.5mg Olanzapine, 187.5mg Enlafax XR, 15mg Mirtazpine, Propranolol Slow Release 160mg x 3 pd, Propranolol 320mg to 400mg x 3 or 4 x perday. 40mg Omeprazole x 1, 200mg x 1 Ferrous Fumarate 29/9/17 Propranolol Slow Release 160mg x 3pd, Propranolol 120mg x 3 pd = 840mg per day. 9/10/17 Propranolol Slow Release 160mg x 3 per day, Propranolol 80mg x 3 per day = 720mg per day. Increased 10/9/17 Propranolol 840mg per day. 14/10/17 Reduced Mirtazapine to13.5mg 18/10/17 Removed Mirtazpine 13.5mg 23/10/17 Reducing Propranolol by 10mg every second day down to 400mg per day. 13/12/17 Now at 400mg Propranolol per day - holding. 20/12/17 Reduced Olanzapine by 10% to 11.25mg. 21/1/18: Reduced Olanzapine by .625mg Reducing Propranolol by 10mg per week. 8/3/18 Reduced Olanzapine by .625mg . 6/4/18 Reduced .625mg Olanzapine. 4/5/18 Reduced .625 Olanzapine 31/5/18 Changed from Propranolol 160 SR to Propranolol 160. 8/6/18 Morning Olanzapine changed to wafer and reduced by .10mg. 15/6/18 Reduced Olanzapine by .10mg per week Current Medication: 8.345mg Olanzapine; 187.50 Enlafax SR; Propranolol 55mg x 4 per day. Minimum 30mins exercise per day. Fortisip x 2 per day. 6/7/18 Admitted to Hospital with Chronic Aspiration Pneumonia - medications reduced. 8/11/18 Effexor XR 75mg morning and 37.5mg evening, Madopar Rapid 62.5mg x 4 per day. Link to comment
Boomer Posted December 8, 2016 Author Share Posted December 8, 2016 I am just wondering if there is anyone out there who can support us please? My husband is experiencing awful withdrawal symptoms and we are finding this very unsettling yet again. We have increased as per the signature but the symptoms are still with him. Effexor Brand changed over to Enlafax XR sometime during the first three months of 2017. Reduced to 12.5mg Olanzapine, last reduction 25/4/17 on advice from PDoc to reduce the severe Akathesia, Panick Attacks and other disabling symptoms. 7/4/17 Propronolol @ 40mg x 3 times per day increasing as required. 160mg Slow Release x 3 times per day for disabling Panic Attacks. 15/5/17 medication mix up, somewhere prior Mirtazapine increased to 60mg per day. PDoc concerned of Seratonin Syndrome reduced to 30mg per day. 21/6/17 Effexor 37.5mg reduced. 22/8/17 Mirtazapine reduced 15mg. 14/9/17 Developed GERD added 40mg Omeprazole x 1, 200mg x1 Ferrous Fumarate, 17/9/17 Propranolol dosage between 320mg to 400mg 3 to 4x per every second day for disabling Panic Attacks. 17/9/17 Current Medication: 12.5mg Olanzapine, 187.5mg Enlafax XR, 15mg Mirtazpine, Propranolol Slow Release 160mg x 3 pd, Propranolol 320mg to 400mg x 3 or 4 x perday. 40mg Omeprazole x 1, 200mg x 1 Ferrous Fumarate 29/9/17 Propranolol Slow Release 160mg x 3pd, Propranolol 120mg x 3 pd = 840mg per day. 9/10/17 Propranolol Slow Release 160mg x 3 per day, Propranolol 80mg x 3 per day = 720mg per day. Increased 10/9/17 Propranolol 840mg per day. 14/10/17 Reduced Mirtazapine to13.5mg 18/10/17 Removed Mirtazpine 13.5mg 23/10/17 Reducing Propranolol by 10mg every second day down to 400mg per day. 13/12/17 Now at 400mg Propranolol per day - holding. 20/12/17 Reduced Olanzapine by 10% to 11.25mg. 21/1/18: Reduced Olanzapine by .625mg Reducing Propranolol by 10mg per week. 8/3/18 Reduced Olanzapine by .625mg . 6/4/18 Reduced .625mg Olanzapine. 4/5/18 Reduced .625 Olanzapine 31/5/18 Changed from Propranolol 160 SR to Propranolol 160. 8/6/18 Morning Olanzapine changed to wafer and reduced by .10mg. 15/6/18 Reduced Olanzapine by .10mg per week Current Medication: 8.345mg Olanzapine; 187.50 Enlafax SR; Propranolol 55mg x 4 per day. Minimum 30mins exercise per day. Fortisip x 2 per day. 6/7/18 Admitted to Hospital with Chronic Aspiration Pneumonia - medications reduced. 8/11/18 Effexor XR 75mg morning and 37.5mg evening, Madopar Rapid 62.5mg x 4 per day. Link to comment
nz11 Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 Hi Boomer sorry to hear your husband is in this difficult place. There are two drugs being changed here and that may be confusing when trying to decide from which one the symptoms are originating....or maybe both. Are you able to hold at current levels and not make any more changes.....as difficult as this may be. Wishing you stablility nz11 Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing. http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651 Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos. Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you Recovering paxil addict None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped." Dr Mosher. Me too! Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015 I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015 Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017 Link to comment
Boomer Posted December 8, 2016 Author Share Posted December 8, 2016 Hi Boomer sorry to hear your husband is in this difficult place. There are two drugs being changed here and that may be confusing when trying to decide from which one the symptoms are originating....or maybe both. Are you able to hold at current levels and not make any more changes.....as difficult as this may be. Wishing you stablility nz11 Hi NZ11 The inner restlessness has been named by Psychiatrist as tardive dyskinesia. He said it is a side affect of the drug Olanzapine and apologised for the way the Health System is in New Zealand! NZ11 I am wondering if we have a case for ACC and if so how do we go about following through on this please? Please note that I am feeling very vunerable at the moment so please be aware of this. If you could point me in the right direction, that would be helpful. Thanks Effexor Brand changed over to Enlafax XR sometime during the first three months of 2017. Reduced to 12.5mg Olanzapine, last reduction 25/4/17 on advice from PDoc to reduce the severe Akathesia, Panick Attacks and other disabling symptoms. 7/4/17 Propronolol @ 40mg x 3 times per day increasing as required. 160mg Slow Release x 3 times per day for disabling Panic Attacks. 15/5/17 medication mix up, somewhere prior Mirtazapine increased to 60mg per day. PDoc concerned of Seratonin Syndrome reduced to 30mg per day. 21/6/17 Effexor 37.5mg reduced. 22/8/17 Mirtazapine reduced 15mg. 14/9/17 Developed GERD added 40mg Omeprazole x 1, 200mg x1 Ferrous Fumarate, 17/9/17 Propranolol dosage between 320mg to 400mg 3 to 4x per every second day for disabling Panic Attacks. 17/9/17 Current Medication: 12.5mg Olanzapine, 187.5mg Enlafax XR, 15mg Mirtazpine, Propranolol Slow Release 160mg x 3 pd, Propranolol 320mg to 400mg x 3 or 4 x perday. 40mg Omeprazole x 1, 200mg x 1 Ferrous Fumarate 29/9/17 Propranolol Slow Release 160mg x 3pd, Propranolol 120mg x 3 pd = 840mg per day. 9/10/17 Propranolol Slow Release 160mg x 3 per day, Propranolol 80mg x 3 per day = 720mg per day. Increased 10/9/17 Propranolol 840mg per day. 14/10/17 Reduced Mirtazapine to13.5mg 18/10/17 Removed Mirtazpine 13.5mg 23/10/17 Reducing Propranolol by 10mg every second day down to 400mg per day. 13/12/17 Now at 400mg Propranolol per day - holding. 20/12/17 Reduced Olanzapine by 10% to 11.25mg. 21/1/18: Reduced Olanzapine by .625mg Reducing Propranolol by 10mg per week. 8/3/18 Reduced Olanzapine by .625mg . 6/4/18 Reduced .625mg Olanzapine. 4/5/18 Reduced .625 Olanzapine 31/5/18 Changed from Propranolol 160 SR to Propranolol 160. 8/6/18 Morning Olanzapine changed to wafer and reduced by .10mg. 15/6/18 Reduced Olanzapine by .10mg per week Current Medication: 8.345mg Olanzapine; 187.50 Enlafax SR; Propranolol 55mg x 4 per day. Minimum 30mins exercise per day. Fortisip x 2 per day. 6/7/18 Admitted to Hospital with Chronic Aspiration Pneumonia - medications reduced. 8/11/18 Effexor XR 75mg morning and 37.5mg evening, Madopar Rapid 62.5mg x 4 per day. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus scallywag Posted December 8, 2016 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted December 8, 2016 Some people do experience that inner restlessness while on a neuroleptic such as olanzapine; sometimes that symptom appears while tapering, in response to a dose reduction. Inner restlessness is more often considered in the category of "akathisia" than tardive dyskinesia. I think you and your husband may need to ride this out. He was stable in October and since then I see several changes made to doses in both medications, Effexor XR & olanzapine. It looks as if the olanzapine decrease on Oct. 28 may have been the "trigger" for this latest, rather intense wave. 2016 medications and doses from your signature 2014-2015 Effexor XR tapered from 150 mg to 0 over 12 months after 7 years of taking it January 2016: relapsed badly and was hospitalised. Meds prescribed in hospital Oxybutynin 2.5mg while in hospital; none after Effexor XR reinstated at 75, titrated up to 150 mg. Olanzapine 10 mg 4-Apr: last dose of olanzapine, after taper at rate advised by Psychiatrist April & May 2016: Cognitive symptoms arise mid-May: Effexor XR dose reduced to 112 mg, pDoc's attempt to address cognitive symptoms 25-May: olanzapine 2.5 mg reintroduced, symptoms worsen, including psychosis and suicidal ideation, hospitalization 28-Jun: Effexor 300 mg, olanzapine 20 mg (hospital prescribed dosages) 9-July: ↓ unintentional half-dose of Effexor 150mg 22-Jul: ↑ Effexor to 187.5 mg – stable 30-Sep: ↓olanzapine from 20 mg to 18.75 mg – stable 28-Oct: ↓ olanzapine from 18.75 mg to 17.5 mg – symptoms arise 1 week later 18-Nov: ↑ Effexor to 225 mg – one week later high anxiety and inner restlessness 25-Nov: ↑ olanzapine from 17.5 mg to 18.125 mg, symptoms persist 2-Dec: ↑ olanzapine from 18.125 to 18.75 mg, symptoms persist This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.1997-1999 Effexor; 2002-2005 Effexor XR 37.5 mg linear taper, dropping same #beads/week with bad results Cymbalta 60 mg 2012 - 2015; 2016: 20 mg to 7 mg exact doses and dates in this post; 2017: 6.3 mg to 0.0 mg Aug. 12; details here scallywag's IntroductionOnline spreadsheet for dose taper calculations and nz11's THE WORKS spreadsheet Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted December 9, 2016 Administrator Share Posted December 9, 2016 Boomer, why the increase Nov 18 to 225mg Effexor? Did these symptoms get worse after that? This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
nz11 Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Hi Boomer sorry to hear your husband is in this difficult place. There are two drugs being changed here and that may be confusing when trying to decide from which one the symptoms are originating....or maybe both. Are you able to hold at current levels and not make any more changes.....as difficult as this may be. Wishing you stablility nz11 Hi NZ11 The inner restlessness has been named by Psychiatrist as tardive dyskinesia. He said it is a side affect of the drug Olanzapine and apologised for the way the Health System is in New Zealand! NZ11 I am wondering if we have a case for ACC and if so how do we go about following through on this please? Please note that I am feeling very vunerable at the moment so please be aware of this. If you could point me in the right direction, that would be helpful. Thanks I cant tell you what to do but i will tell you what i did. I changed doctors then i made a complaint to ACC for medical misadventure agaisnt the old doctor. The new doctor will fill out the forms and submit it online. My new doctor actually raised his vocie at me for wanting to do this but i gently told him to do it and he did. You can phone ACC and they will tell you the form numbers to that need to be completed. Please write to your local mp and complain. Also i wrote to the HDC and made a complaint agaisnt my ex doctor. I also wrote to the local district health board and complained and to pharmac. You can read about this in the nz members thread. That psychiatrist shouldnt be apologising for the nz health system he should be apologising for his own prescribing actions. oh yeah and dont forget to complain to the nz medical council. nz11 ps how would your husband feel about taking over the driving of this thread? Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing. http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651 Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos. Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you Recovering paxil addict None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped." Dr Mosher. Me too! Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015 I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015 Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017 Link to comment
Boomer Posted December 9, 2016 Author Share Posted December 9, 2016 Boomer, why the increase Nov 18 to 225mg Effexor? Did these symptoms get worse after that? Yes the symptoms became worse and he also became very flat. Effexor Brand changed over to Enlafax XR sometime during the first three months of 2017. Reduced to 12.5mg Olanzapine, last reduction 25/4/17 on advice from PDoc to reduce the severe Akathesia, Panick Attacks and other disabling symptoms. 7/4/17 Propronolol @ 40mg x 3 times per day increasing as required. 160mg Slow Release x 3 times per day for disabling Panic Attacks. 15/5/17 medication mix up, somewhere prior Mirtazapine increased to 60mg per day. PDoc concerned of Seratonin Syndrome reduced to 30mg per day. 21/6/17 Effexor 37.5mg reduced. 22/8/17 Mirtazapine reduced 15mg. 14/9/17 Developed GERD added 40mg Omeprazole x 1, 200mg x1 Ferrous Fumarate, 17/9/17 Propranolol dosage between 320mg to 400mg 3 to 4x per every second day for disabling Panic Attacks. 17/9/17 Current Medication: 12.5mg Olanzapine, 187.5mg Enlafax XR, 15mg Mirtazpine, Propranolol Slow Release 160mg x 3 pd, Propranolol 320mg to 400mg x 3 or 4 x perday. 40mg Omeprazole x 1, 200mg x 1 Ferrous Fumarate 29/9/17 Propranolol Slow Release 160mg x 3pd, Propranolol 120mg x 3 pd = 840mg per day. 9/10/17 Propranolol Slow Release 160mg x 3 per day, Propranolol 80mg x 3 per day = 720mg per day. Increased 10/9/17 Propranolol 840mg per day. 14/10/17 Reduced Mirtazapine to13.5mg 18/10/17 Removed Mirtazpine 13.5mg 23/10/17 Reducing Propranolol by 10mg every second day down to 400mg per day. 13/12/17 Now at 400mg Propranolol per day - holding. 20/12/17 Reduced Olanzapine by 10% to 11.25mg. 21/1/18: Reduced Olanzapine by .625mg Reducing Propranolol by 10mg per week. 8/3/18 Reduced Olanzapine by .625mg . 6/4/18 Reduced .625mg Olanzapine. 4/5/18 Reduced .625 Olanzapine 31/5/18 Changed from Propranolol 160 SR to Propranolol 160. 8/6/18 Morning Olanzapine changed to wafer and reduced by .10mg. 15/6/18 Reduced Olanzapine by .10mg per week Current Medication: 8.345mg Olanzapine; 187.50 Enlafax SR; Propranolol 55mg x 4 per day. Minimum 30mins exercise per day. Fortisip x 2 per day. 6/7/18 Admitted to Hospital with Chronic Aspiration Pneumonia - medications reduced. 8/11/18 Effexor XR 75mg morning and 37.5mg evening, Madopar Rapid 62.5mg x 4 per day. Link to comment
Boomer Posted December 9, 2016 Author Share Posted December 9, 2016 Some people do experience that inner restlessness while on a neuroleptic such as olanzapine; sometimes that symptom appears while tapering, in response to a dose reduction. Inner restlessness is more often considered in the category of "akathisia" than tardive dyskinesia. I think you and your husband may need to ride this out. He was stable in October and since then I see several changes made to doses in both medications, Effexor XR & olanzapine. It looks as if the olanzapine decrease on Oct. 28 may have been the "trigger" for this latest, rather intense wave. 2016 medications and doses from your signature 2014-2015 Effexor XR tapered from 150 mg to 0 over 12 months after 7 years of taking it January 2016: relapsed badly and was hospitalised. Meds prescribed in hospital Oxybutynin 2.5mg while in hospital; none after Effexor XR reinstated at 75, titrated up to 150 mg. Olanzapine 10 mg 4-Apr: last dose of olanzapine, after taper at rate advised by Psychiatrist April & May 2016: Cognitive symptoms arise mid-May: Effexor XR dose reduced to 112 mg, pDoc's attempt to address cognitive symptoms 25-May: olanzapine 2.5 mg reintroduced, symptoms worsen, including psychosis and suicidal ideation, hospitalization 28-Jun: Effexor 300 mg, olanzapine 20 mg (hospital prescribed dosages) 9-July: ↓ unintentional half-dose of Effexor 150mg 22-Jul: ↑ Effexor to 187.5 mg – stable 30-Sep: ↓olanzapine from 20 mg to 18.75 mg – stable 28-Oct: ↓ olanzapine from 18.75 mg to 17.5 mg – symptoms arise 1 week later 18-Nov: ↑ Effexor to 225 mg – one week later high anxiety and inner restlessness 25-Nov: ↑ olanzapine from 17.5 mg to 18.125 mg, symptoms persist 2-Dec: ↑ olanzapine from 18.125 to 18.75 mg, symptoms persist Yes - we believe that perhaps the taper on the 28th October caused this otherwise it could have been from the first taper as we believe his body is very slow to metabolise. Not quite sure. It may have started as "akathisia" but They believe he has developed tardive dyskinesia because he cannot sit still. When he does sit still his leg keeps moving. He said the restlessness feeling starts to build up from the time he wakes up and continues to build throughout the day. He is trying to keep his job while this is going on. Effexor Brand changed over to Enlafax XR sometime during the first three months of 2017. Reduced to 12.5mg Olanzapine, last reduction 25/4/17 on advice from PDoc to reduce the severe Akathesia, Panick Attacks and other disabling symptoms. 7/4/17 Propronolol @ 40mg x 3 times per day increasing as required. 160mg Slow Release x 3 times per day for disabling Panic Attacks. 15/5/17 medication mix up, somewhere prior Mirtazapine increased to 60mg per day. PDoc concerned of Seratonin Syndrome reduced to 30mg per day. 21/6/17 Effexor 37.5mg reduced. 22/8/17 Mirtazapine reduced 15mg. 14/9/17 Developed GERD added 40mg Omeprazole x 1, 200mg x1 Ferrous Fumarate, 17/9/17 Propranolol dosage between 320mg to 400mg 3 to 4x per every second day for disabling Panic Attacks. 17/9/17 Current Medication: 12.5mg Olanzapine, 187.5mg Enlafax XR, 15mg Mirtazpine, Propranolol Slow Release 160mg x 3 pd, Propranolol 320mg to 400mg x 3 or 4 x perday. 40mg Omeprazole x 1, 200mg x 1 Ferrous Fumarate 29/9/17 Propranolol Slow Release 160mg x 3pd, Propranolol 120mg x 3 pd = 840mg per day. 9/10/17 Propranolol Slow Release 160mg x 3 per day, Propranolol 80mg x 3 per day = 720mg per day. Increased 10/9/17 Propranolol 840mg per day. 14/10/17 Reduced Mirtazapine to13.5mg 18/10/17 Removed Mirtazpine 13.5mg 23/10/17 Reducing Propranolol by 10mg every second day down to 400mg per day. 13/12/17 Now at 400mg Propranolol per day - holding. 20/12/17 Reduced Olanzapine by 10% to 11.25mg. 21/1/18: Reduced Olanzapine by .625mg Reducing Propranolol by 10mg per week. 8/3/18 Reduced Olanzapine by .625mg . 6/4/18 Reduced .625mg Olanzapine. 4/5/18 Reduced .625 Olanzapine 31/5/18 Changed from Propranolol 160 SR to Propranolol 160. 8/6/18 Morning Olanzapine changed to wafer and reduced by .10mg. 15/6/18 Reduced Olanzapine by .10mg per week Current Medication: 8.345mg Olanzapine; 187.50 Enlafax SR; Propranolol 55mg x 4 per day. Minimum 30mins exercise per day. Fortisip x 2 per day. 6/7/18 Admitted to Hospital with Chronic Aspiration Pneumonia - medications reduced. 8/11/18 Effexor XR 75mg morning and 37.5mg evening, Madopar Rapid 62.5mg x 4 per day. Link to comment
Boomer Posted December 9, 2016 Author Share Posted December 9, 2016 Hi Boomer sorry to hear your husband is in this difficult place. There are two drugs being changed here and that may be confusing when trying to decide from which one the symptoms are originating....or maybe both. Are you able to hold at current levels and not make any more changes.....as difficult as this may be. Wishing you stablility nz11 Hi NZ11 The inner restlessness has been named by Psychiatrist as tardive dyskinesia. He said it is a side affect of the drug Olanzapine and apologised for the way the Health System is in New Zealand! NZ11 I am wondering if we have a case for ACC and if so how do we go about following through on this please? Please note that I am feeling very vunerable at the moment so please be aware of this. If you could point me in the right direction, that would be helpful. Thanks I cant tell you what to do but i will tell you what i did. I changed doctors then i made a complaint to ACC for medical misadventure agaisnt the old doctor. The new doctor will fill out the forms and submit it online. My new doctor actually raised his vocie at me for wanting to do this but i gently told him to do it and he did. You can phone ACC and they will tell you the form numbers to that need to be completed. Please write to your local mp and complain. Also i wrote to the HDC and made a complaint agaisnt my ex doctor. I also wrote to the local district health board and complained and to pharmac. You can read about this in the nz members thread. That psychiatrist shouldnt be apologising for the nz health system he should be apologising for his own prescribing actions. oh yeah and dont forget to complain to the nz medical council. nz11 ps how would your husband feel about taking over the driving of this thread? Thanks NZ11 I have phoned an ACC Lawyer who has advised me to contact our GP and start the process through him. I hope there will be a time when hubby can take over this thread but at the moment he is just trying to survive. Effexor Brand changed over to Enlafax XR sometime during the first three months of 2017. Reduced to 12.5mg Olanzapine, last reduction 25/4/17 on advice from PDoc to reduce the severe Akathesia, Panick Attacks and other disabling symptoms. 7/4/17 Propronolol @ 40mg x 3 times per day increasing as required. 160mg Slow Release x 3 times per day for disabling Panic Attacks. 15/5/17 medication mix up, somewhere prior Mirtazapine increased to 60mg per day. PDoc concerned of Seratonin Syndrome reduced to 30mg per day. 21/6/17 Effexor 37.5mg reduced. 22/8/17 Mirtazapine reduced 15mg. 14/9/17 Developed GERD added 40mg Omeprazole x 1, 200mg x1 Ferrous Fumarate, 17/9/17 Propranolol dosage between 320mg to 400mg 3 to 4x per every second day for disabling Panic Attacks. 17/9/17 Current Medication: 12.5mg Olanzapine, 187.5mg Enlafax XR, 15mg Mirtazpine, Propranolol Slow Release 160mg x 3 pd, Propranolol 320mg to 400mg x 3 or 4 x perday. 40mg Omeprazole x 1, 200mg x 1 Ferrous Fumarate 29/9/17 Propranolol Slow Release 160mg x 3pd, Propranolol 120mg x 3 pd = 840mg per day. 9/10/17 Propranolol Slow Release 160mg x 3 per day, Propranolol 80mg x 3 per day = 720mg per day. Increased 10/9/17 Propranolol 840mg per day. 14/10/17 Reduced Mirtazapine to13.5mg 18/10/17 Removed Mirtazpine 13.5mg 23/10/17 Reducing Propranolol by 10mg every second day down to 400mg per day. 13/12/17 Now at 400mg Propranolol per day - holding. 20/12/17 Reduced Olanzapine by 10% to 11.25mg. 21/1/18: Reduced Olanzapine by .625mg Reducing Propranolol by 10mg per week. 8/3/18 Reduced Olanzapine by .625mg . 6/4/18 Reduced .625mg Olanzapine. 4/5/18 Reduced .625 Olanzapine 31/5/18 Changed from Propranolol 160 SR to Propranolol 160. 8/6/18 Morning Olanzapine changed to wafer and reduced by .10mg. 15/6/18 Reduced Olanzapine by .10mg per week Current Medication: 8.345mg Olanzapine; 187.50 Enlafax SR; Propranolol 55mg x 4 per day. Minimum 30mins exercise per day. Fortisip x 2 per day. 6/7/18 Admitted to Hospital with Chronic Aspiration Pneumonia - medications reduced. 8/11/18 Effexor XR 75mg morning and 37.5mg evening, Madopar Rapid 62.5mg x 4 per day. Link to comment
nz11 Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 I hope there will be a time when hubby can take over this thread but at the moment he is just trying to survive. When just trying to survive is when most people join sa. All the best with the complaints. Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing. http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651 Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos. Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you Recovering paxil addict None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped." Dr Mosher. Me too! Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015 I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015 Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017 Link to comment
Boomer Posted December 14, 2016 Author Share Posted December 14, 2016 Can I change the heading from Effexor to Olanzapine and if so how do I do that please? We really need help trying to cope through this. Thanks Effexor Brand changed over to Enlafax XR sometime during the first three months of 2017. Reduced to 12.5mg Olanzapine, last reduction 25/4/17 on advice from PDoc to reduce the severe Akathesia, Panick Attacks and other disabling symptoms. 7/4/17 Propronolol @ 40mg x 3 times per day increasing as required. 160mg Slow Release x 3 times per day for disabling Panic Attacks. 15/5/17 medication mix up, somewhere prior Mirtazapine increased to 60mg per day. PDoc concerned of Seratonin Syndrome reduced to 30mg per day. 21/6/17 Effexor 37.5mg reduced. 22/8/17 Mirtazapine reduced 15mg. 14/9/17 Developed GERD added 40mg Omeprazole x 1, 200mg x1 Ferrous Fumarate, 17/9/17 Propranolol dosage between 320mg to 400mg 3 to 4x per every second day for disabling Panic Attacks. 17/9/17 Current Medication: 12.5mg Olanzapine, 187.5mg Enlafax XR, 15mg Mirtazpine, Propranolol Slow Release 160mg x 3 pd, Propranolol 320mg to 400mg x 3 or 4 x perday. 40mg Omeprazole x 1, 200mg x 1 Ferrous Fumarate 29/9/17 Propranolol Slow Release 160mg x 3pd, Propranolol 120mg x 3 pd = 840mg per day. 9/10/17 Propranolol Slow Release 160mg x 3 per day, Propranolol 80mg x 3 per day = 720mg per day. Increased 10/9/17 Propranolol 840mg per day. 14/10/17 Reduced Mirtazapine to13.5mg 18/10/17 Removed Mirtazpine 13.5mg 23/10/17 Reducing Propranolol by 10mg every second day down to 400mg per day. 13/12/17 Now at 400mg Propranolol per day - holding. 20/12/17 Reduced Olanzapine by 10% to 11.25mg. 21/1/18: Reduced Olanzapine by .625mg Reducing Propranolol by 10mg per week. 8/3/18 Reduced Olanzapine by .625mg . 6/4/18 Reduced .625mg Olanzapine. 4/5/18 Reduced .625 Olanzapine 31/5/18 Changed from Propranolol 160 SR to Propranolol 160. 8/6/18 Morning Olanzapine changed to wafer and reduced by .10mg. 15/6/18 Reduced Olanzapine by .10mg per week Current Medication: 8.345mg Olanzapine; 187.50 Enlafax SR; Propranolol 55mg x 4 per day. Minimum 30mins exercise per day. Fortisip x 2 per day. 6/7/18 Admitted to Hospital with Chronic Aspiration Pneumonia - medications reduced. 8/11/18 Effexor XR 75mg morning and 37.5mg evening, Madopar Rapid 62.5mg x 4 per day. Link to comment
Boomer Posted December 14, 2016 Author Share Posted December 14, 2016 The high anxiety 10/10 and inner restlessness is driving him spare! Effexor Brand changed over to Enlafax XR sometime during the first three months of 2017. Reduced to 12.5mg Olanzapine, last reduction 25/4/17 on advice from PDoc to reduce the severe Akathesia, Panick Attacks and other disabling symptoms. 7/4/17 Propronolol @ 40mg x 3 times per day increasing as required. 160mg Slow Release x 3 times per day for disabling Panic Attacks. 15/5/17 medication mix up, somewhere prior Mirtazapine increased to 60mg per day. PDoc concerned of Seratonin Syndrome reduced to 30mg per day. 21/6/17 Effexor 37.5mg reduced. 22/8/17 Mirtazapine reduced 15mg. 14/9/17 Developed GERD added 40mg Omeprazole x 1, 200mg x1 Ferrous Fumarate, 17/9/17 Propranolol dosage between 320mg to 400mg 3 to 4x per every second day for disabling Panic Attacks. 17/9/17 Current Medication: 12.5mg Olanzapine, 187.5mg Enlafax XR, 15mg Mirtazpine, Propranolol Slow Release 160mg x 3 pd, Propranolol 320mg to 400mg x 3 or 4 x perday. 40mg Omeprazole x 1, 200mg x 1 Ferrous Fumarate 29/9/17 Propranolol Slow Release 160mg x 3pd, Propranolol 120mg x 3 pd = 840mg per day. 9/10/17 Propranolol Slow Release 160mg x 3 per day, Propranolol 80mg x 3 per day = 720mg per day. Increased 10/9/17 Propranolol 840mg per day. 14/10/17 Reduced Mirtazapine to13.5mg 18/10/17 Removed Mirtazpine 13.5mg 23/10/17 Reducing Propranolol by 10mg every second day down to 400mg per day. 13/12/17 Now at 400mg Propranolol per day - holding. 20/12/17 Reduced Olanzapine by 10% to 11.25mg. 21/1/18: Reduced Olanzapine by .625mg Reducing Propranolol by 10mg per week. 8/3/18 Reduced Olanzapine by .625mg . 6/4/18 Reduced .625mg Olanzapine. 4/5/18 Reduced .625 Olanzapine 31/5/18 Changed from Propranolol 160 SR to Propranolol 160. 8/6/18 Morning Olanzapine changed to wafer and reduced by .10mg. 15/6/18 Reduced Olanzapine by .10mg per week Current Medication: 8.345mg Olanzapine; 187.50 Enlafax SR; Propranolol 55mg x 4 per day. Minimum 30mins exercise per day. Fortisip x 2 per day. 6/7/18 Admitted to Hospital with Chronic Aspiration Pneumonia - medications reduced. 8/11/18 Effexor XR 75mg morning and 37.5mg evening, Madopar Rapid 62.5mg x 4 per day. Link to comment
nz11 Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 Can I change the heading from Effexor to Olanzapine and if so how do I do that please? We really need help trying to cope through this. Thanks You will probably have to go to the top to do that and pm alto. I think your husband should step up and drive this thread. Im sure he is big enough , ugly enough and intelligent enough to do that. Apart from this online support forum you wont get a lot of support from anywhere else. For one thing people, doctors included wont understand it, people will not be able to conceive of it and unlike drug addicts withdrawing off street illegal drugs you may not get sympthy just labels like 'nutcase' or 'someone who needs their meds' so im sorry to say that in one sense you are on your own. But there is SA. Thank goodness for that. Wishing you strength Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing. http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651 Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos. Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you Recovering paxil addict None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped." Dr Mosher. Me too! Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015 I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015 Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017 Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus scallywag Posted December 15, 2016 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted December 15, 2016 The topic title is updated to include olanzapine. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.1997-1999 Effexor; 2002-2005 Effexor XR 37.5 mg linear taper, dropping same #beads/week with bad results Cymbalta 60 mg 2012 - 2015; 2016: 20 mg to 7 mg exact doses and dates in this post; 2017: 6.3 mg to 0.0 mg Aug. 12; details here scallywag's IntroductionOnline spreadsheet for dose taper calculations and nz11's THE WORKS spreadsheet Link to comment
Boomer Posted December 15, 2016 Author Share Posted December 15, 2016 The topic title is updated to include olanzapine. Thank you. Effexor Brand changed over to Enlafax XR sometime during the first three months of 2017. Reduced to 12.5mg Olanzapine, last reduction 25/4/17 on advice from PDoc to reduce the severe Akathesia, Panick Attacks and other disabling symptoms. 7/4/17 Propronolol @ 40mg x 3 times per day increasing as required. 160mg Slow Release x 3 times per day for disabling Panic Attacks. 15/5/17 medication mix up, somewhere prior Mirtazapine increased to 60mg per day. PDoc concerned of Seratonin Syndrome reduced to 30mg per day. 21/6/17 Effexor 37.5mg reduced. 22/8/17 Mirtazapine reduced 15mg. 14/9/17 Developed GERD added 40mg Omeprazole x 1, 200mg x1 Ferrous Fumarate, 17/9/17 Propranolol dosage between 320mg to 400mg 3 to 4x per every second day for disabling Panic Attacks. 17/9/17 Current Medication: 12.5mg Olanzapine, 187.5mg Enlafax XR, 15mg Mirtazpine, Propranolol Slow Release 160mg x 3 pd, Propranolol 320mg to 400mg x 3 or 4 x perday. 40mg Omeprazole x 1, 200mg x 1 Ferrous Fumarate 29/9/17 Propranolol Slow Release 160mg x 3pd, Propranolol 120mg x 3 pd = 840mg per day. 9/10/17 Propranolol Slow Release 160mg x 3 per day, Propranolol 80mg x 3 per day = 720mg per day. Increased 10/9/17 Propranolol 840mg per day. 14/10/17 Reduced Mirtazapine to13.5mg 18/10/17 Removed Mirtazpine 13.5mg 23/10/17 Reducing Propranolol by 10mg every second day down to 400mg per day. 13/12/17 Now at 400mg Propranolol per day - holding. 20/12/17 Reduced Olanzapine by 10% to 11.25mg. 21/1/18: Reduced Olanzapine by .625mg Reducing Propranolol by 10mg per week. 8/3/18 Reduced Olanzapine by .625mg . 6/4/18 Reduced .625mg Olanzapine. 4/5/18 Reduced .625 Olanzapine 31/5/18 Changed from Propranolol 160 SR to Propranolol 160. 8/6/18 Morning Olanzapine changed to wafer and reduced by .10mg. 15/6/18 Reduced Olanzapine by .10mg per week Current Medication: 8.345mg Olanzapine; 187.50 Enlafax SR; Propranolol 55mg x 4 per day. Minimum 30mins exercise per day. Fortisip x 2 per day. 6/7/18 Admitted to Hospital with Chronic Aspiration Pneumonia - medications reduced. 8/11/18 Effexor XR 75mg morning and 37.5mg evening, Madopar Rapid 62.5mg x 4 per day. Link to comment
Boomer Posted December 15, 2016 Author Share Posted December 15, 2016 Just wondering where is SA standing on medication - some or none? Many thanks. Effexor Brand changed over to Enlafax XR sometime during the first three months of 2017. Reduced to 12.5mg Olanzapine, last reduction 25/4/17 on advice from PDoc to reduce the severe Akathesia, Panick Attacks and other disabling symptoms. 7/4/17 Propronolol @ 40mg x 3 times per day increasing as required. 160mg Slow Release x 3 times per day for disabling Panic Attacks. 15/5/17 medication mix up, somewhere prior Mirtazapine increased to 60mg per day. PDoc concerned of Seratonin Syndrome reduced to 30mg per day. 21/6/17 Effexor 37.5mg reduced. 22/8/17 Mirtazapine reduced 15mg. 14/9/17 Developed GERD added 40mg Omeprazole x 1, 200mg x1 Ferrous Fumarate, 17/9/17 Propranolol dosage between 320mg to 400mg 3 to 4x per every second day for disabling Panic Attacks. 17/9/17 Current Medication: 12.5mg Olanzapine, 187.5mg Enlafax XR, 15mg Mirtazpine, Propranolol Slow Release 160mg x 3 pd, Propranolol 320mg to 400mg x 3 or 4 x perday. 40mg Omeprazole x 1, 200mg x 1 Ferrous Fumarate 29/9/17 Propranolol Slow Release 160mg x 3pd, Propranolol 120mg x 3 pd = 840mg per day. 9/10/17 Propranolol Slow Release 160mg x 3 per day, Propranolol 80mg x 3 per day = 720mg per day. Increased 10/9/17 Propranolol 840mg per day. 14/10/17 Reduced Mirtazapine to13.5mg 18/10/17 Removed Mirtazpine 13.5mg 23/10/17 Reducing Propranolol by 10mg every second day down to 400mg per day. 13/12/17 Now at 400mg Propranolol per day - holding. 20/12/17 Reduced Olanzapine by 10% to 11.25mg. 21/1/18: Reduced Olanzapine by .625mg Reducing Propranolol by 10mg per week. 8/3/18 Reduced Olanzapine by .625mg . 6/4/18 Reduced .625mg Olanzapine. 4/5/18 Reduced .625 Olanzapine 31/5/18 Changed from Propranolol 160 SR to Propranolol 160. 8/6/18 Morning Olanzapine changed to wafer and reduced by .10mg. 15/6/18 Reduced Olanzapine by .10mg per week Current Medication: 8.345mg Olanzapine; 187.50 Enlafax SR; Propranolol 55mg x 4 per day. Minimum 30mins exercise per day. Fortisip x 2 per day. 6/7/18 Admitted to Hospital with Chronic Aspiration Pneumonia - medications reduced. 8/11/18 Effexor XR 75mg morning and 37.5mg evening, Madopar Rapid 62.5mg x 4 per day. Link to comment
peng Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 SA is a forum for people who have decided themselves that they want to come off these medications fully or partly, I believe. I am 71, on Effexor for most of past couple of decades - 150mg reduced from 225mg over past 6 months since visiting SA. SA will not be able to give you a black or white answer. They will provide great advice based on more experience, I reckon, than any other forum and most medical people. Between black and white are an infinite number of shades of grey. We as posters and individuals have to make the guess and choice as to which place in the spectrum will give best quality of life. Having patience is something one can learn through the bad experiences. No, it ain't easy. Just my own thoughts. Best wishes both. PS - I have had to stall the 10% decrease for a week or two or several? as I have hit a "not ready to step down yet" phase, so I can understand you and your husband's anguish, I believe. As long as there is life there is hope. Born 1945. 1999 - First Effexor/Venlafaxine. 2016 Withdrawal research. Effexor. 13Jul - 212.5mg; 6Aug - 200.0mg; 24Aug - 187.5mg; 13Sep - 175.0mg; 3Oct - 162.5mg; 26Oct - 150mg 2017 9Jan - 150.00mg; 23Mar - 137.50mg; 24Apr - 125.00mg; 31May - 112.50mg holding; 3Sep - 100.00mg; 20Sep - 93.75mg; 20Oct - 87.5mg; 12Nov - 81.25mg; 13 Dec - 75.00mg 2018 18Jan - 69.1mg; 16Feb - 62.5mg; 16March - 57.5mg (-8%); 22Apr - 56.3mg(-2%); CRASHED - Updose 29May - 62.5mg; Updose - 1Jul - 75.0mg. Updose - 2Aug - 87.5mg. Updose - 27Aug - 100.0mg. Updose - 11Oct 112.5mg. Updose - 6Nov 125.00mg. 2019 Updoses 19 Jan - 150.0mg. 1April - 162.5mg. 24 April - Feeling better - doing tasks, getting outside. 7 May - usual depression questionnaire gives "probably no depression" result. Supps/Vits Omega 3; Chelated Magnesium; Prebiotics/Probiotics, Vit D3. Link to comment
nz11 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 My understanding is sa does not make any drug recommendations. Good for them! Doing so can get you banned from the site. This should come as no surprise because this is a site full of people who have been grievously harmed by the medical profession and their so called rosey red apples. Psychiatry has an obscene history and the ssri/pharma era has continued the harm which in the future will appear next to their past foolish ideas such as believing they can help by doing- beatings, purges, chemical induced convulsions, ECT, and prefrontal labotomies. Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing. http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651 Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos. Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you Recovering paxil addict None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped." Dr Mosher. Me too! Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015 I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015 Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017 Link to comment
Boomer Posted December 21, 2016 Author Share Posted December 21, 2016 Thanks for replies. So when we are in a black hole and have no way of knowing how to climb out, where do we go? Hubby going through anxiety 10/10, I am concerned that he cannot take this withdrawal any longer and will end his life! Effexor Brand changed over to Enlafax XR sometime during the first three months of 2017. Reduced to 12.5mg Olanzapine, last reduction 25/4/17 on advice from PDoc to reduce the severe Akathesia, Panick Attacks and other disabling symptoms. 7/4/17 Propronolol @ 40mg x 3 times per day increasing as required. 160mg Slow Release x 3 times per day for disabling Panic Attacks. 15/5/17 medication mix up, somewhere prior Mirtazapine increased to 60mg per day. PDoc concerned of Seratonin Syndrome reduced to 30mg per day. 21/6/17 Effexor 37.5mg reduced. 22/8/17 Mirtazapine reduced 15mg. 14/9/17 Developed GERD added 40mg Omeprazole x 1, 200mg x1 Ferrous Fumarate, 17/9/17 Propranolol dosage between 320mg to 400mg 3 to 4x per every second day for disabling Panic Attacks. 17/9/17 Current Medication: 12.5mg Olanzapine, 187.5mg Enlafax XR, 15mg Mirtazpine, Propranolol Slow Release 160mg x 3 pd, Propranolol 320mg to 400mg x 3 or 4 x perday. 40mg Omeprazole x 1, 200mg x 1 Ferrous Fumarate 29/9/17 Propranolol Slow Release 160mg x 3pd, Propranolol 120mg x 3 pd = 840mg per day. 9/10/17 Propranolol Slow Release 160mg x 3 per day, Propranolol 80mg x 3 per day = 720mg per day. Increased 10/9/17 Propranolol 840mg per day. 14/10/17 Reduced Mirtazapine to13.5mg 18/10/17 Removed Mirtazpine 13.5mg 23/10/17 Reducing Propranolol by 10mg every second day down to 400mg per day. 13/12/17 Now at 400mg Propranolol per day - holding. 20/12/17 Reduced Olanzapine by 10% to 11.25mg. 21/1/18: Reduced Olanzapine by .625mg Reducing Propranolol by 10mg per week. 8/3/18 Reduced Olanzapine by .625mg . 6/4/18 Reduced .625mg Olanzapine. 4/5/18 Reduced .625 Olanzapine 31/5/18 Changed from Propranolol 160 SR to Propranolol 160. 8/6/18 Morning Olanzapine changed to wafer and reduced by .10mg. 15/6/18 Reduced Olanzapine by .10mg per week Current Medication: 8.345mg Olanzapine; 187.50 Enlafax SR; Propranolol 55mg x 4 per day. Minimum 30mins exercise per day. Fortisip x 2 per day. 6/7/18 Admitted to Hospital with Chronic Aspiration Pneumonia - medications reduced. 8/11/18 Effexor XR 75mg morning and 37.5mg evening, Madopar Rapid 62.5mg x 4 per day. Link to comment
peng Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 It has to be "professional medical experts". The best you can find, are able to consult and afford. Logical, short answer, I know, but all I can offer (and with heartfelt compassion). Finding someone is the first step. Best wishes, peng. Born 1945. 1999 - First Effexor/Venlafaxine. 2016 Withdrawal research. Effexor. 13Jul - 212.5mg; 6Aug - 200.0mg; 24Aug - 187.5mg; 13Sep - 175.0mg; 3Oct - 162.5mg; 26Oct - 150mg 2017 9Jan - 150.00mg; 23Mar - 137.50mg; 24Apr - 125.00mg; 31May - 112.50mg holding; 3Sep - 100.00mg; 20Sep - 93.75mg; 20Oct - 87.5mg; 12Nov - 81.25mg; 13 Dec - 75.00mg 2018 18Jan - 69.1mg; 16Feb - 62.5mg; 16March - 57.5mg (-8%); 22Apr - 56.3mg(-2%); CRASHED - Updose 29May - 62.5mg; Updose - 1Jul - 75.0mg. Updose - 2Aug - 87.5mg. Updose - 27Aug - 100.0mg. Updose - 11Oct 112.5mg. Updose - 6Nov 125.00mg. 2019 Updoses 19 Jan - 150.0mg. 1April - 162.5mg. 24 April - Feeling better - doing tasks, getting outside. 7 May - usual depression questionnaire gives "probably no depression" result. Supps/Vits Omega 3; Chelated Magnesium; Prebiotics/Probiotics, Vit D3. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus KarenB Posted January 2, 2017 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted January 2, 2017 Peng is right about finding further support. In your shoes I'd be looking for a local, qualified counselor who can help with anxiety and stress management. Someone with a good reputation. Perhaps visit a few, and see who seems to 'fit' best. Often counselors offer a first free session. Probably they won't understand about w/d, but at very least you'll need someone who will accept that you are in a crappy situation and therefore need on-going support surviving the emotional aspects until the w/d settles down. How are things since your last post? 2010 Fluoxetine 20mg. 2011 Escitalopram 20mg. 2013 Tapered badly and destabilised CNS. Effexor 150mg. 2015 Begin using info at SurvivingAntidepressants. Cut 10% - bad w/d 2 months, held 1 month. Micro-tapering: four weekly 0.4% cuts, hold 4 weeks (struggling with symptoms). 8 month hold. 2017 Micro-tapering: four weekly 1% cuts, hold 4 weeks (symptoms almost non-existent). 2020 Still micro-tapering. Just over 2/3 of the way off effexor. Minimal symptoms, - and sleeping well. Supplements: Fish oil, vitamin C, iron, oat-straw tea, nettle tea. 2023 December - Now on 5 micro-beads Effexor. Minimal symptoms but much more time needed between drops. Symptoms begin to increase. 2024 April - Updosed to 6 microbeads - immediate increase in symptoms for 4 days. Decreased to 5 microbeads. 'The possibility of renewal exists so long as life exists.' Dr Gabor Mate. Link to comment
Boomer Posted January 17, 2017 Author Share Posted January 17, 2017 Peng is right about finding further support. In your shoes I'd be looking for a local, qualified counselor who can help with anxiety and stress management. Someone with a good reputation. Perhaps visit a few, and see who seems to 'fit' best. Often counselors offer a first free session. Probably they won't understand about w/d, but at very least you'll need someone who will accept that you are in a crappy situation and therefore need on-going support surviving the emotional aspects until the w/d settles down. How are things since your last post? Struggling to keep on top of it. The withdrawals are relentless. Effexor Brand changed over to Enlafax XR sometime during the first three months of 2017. Reduced to 12.5mg Olanzapine, last reduction 25/4/17 on advice from PDoc to reduce the severe Akathesia, Panick Attacks and other disabling symptoms. 7/4/17 Propronolol @ 40mg x 3 times per day increasing as required. 160mg Slow Release x 3 times per day for disabling Panic Attacks. 15/5/17 medication mix up, somewhere prior Mirtazapine increased to 60mg per day. PDoc concerned of Seratonin Syndrome reduced to 30mg per day. 21/6/17 Effexor 37.5mg reduced. 22/8/17 Mirtazapine reduced 15mg. 14/9/17 Developed GERD added 40mg Omeprazole x 1, 200mg x1 Ferrous Fumarate, 17/9/17 Propranolol dosage between 320mg to 400mg 3 to 4x per every second day for disabling Panic Attacks. 17/9/17 Current Medication: 12.5mg Olanzapine, 187.5mg Enlafax XR, 15mg Mirtazpine, Propranolol Slow Release 160mg x 3 pd, Propranolol 320mg to 400mg x 3 or 4 x perday. 40mg Omeprazole x 1, 200mg x 1 Ferrous Fumarate 29/9/17 Propranolol Slow Release 160mg x 3pd, Propranolol 120mg x 3 pd = 840mg per day. 9/10/17 Propranolol Slow Release 160mg x 3 per day, Propranolol 80mg x 3 per day = 720mg per day. Increased 10/9/17 Propranolol 840mg per day. 14/10/17 Reduced Mirtazapine to13.5mg 18/10/17 Removed Mirtazpine 13.5mg 23/10/17 Reducing Propranolol by 10mg every second day down to 400mg per day. 13/12/17 Now at 400mg Propranolol per day - holding. 20/12/17 Reduced Olanzapine by 10% to 11.25mg. 21/1/18: Reduced Olanzapine by .625mg Reducing Propranolol by 10mg per week. 8/3/18 Reduced Olanzapine by .625mg . 6/4/18 Reduced .625mg Olanzapine. 4/5/18 Reduced .625 Olanzapine 31/5/18 Changed from Propranolol 160 SR to Propranolol 160. 8/6/18 Morning Olanzapine changed to wafer and reduced by .10mg. 15/6/18 Reduced Olanzapine by .10mg per week Current Medication: 8.345mg Olanzapine; 187.50 Enlafax SR; Propranolol 55mg x 4 per day. Minimum 30mins exercise per day. Fortisip x 2 per day. 6/7/18 Admitted to Hospital with Chronic Aspiration Pneumonia - medications reduced. 8/11/18 Effexor XR 75mg morning and 37.5mg evening, Madopar Rapid 62.5mg x 4 per day. Link to comment
Boomer Posted January 18, 2017 Author Share Posted January 18, 2017 Husband had a terrible day yesterday. The Pdoc calls it akathisia. It is so terrible to watch him suffer. He becomes desperate for relief. Is there any other ideas out there please to help with these withdrawals? Effexor Brand changed over to Enlafax XR sometime during the first three months of 2017. Reduced to 12.5mg Olanzapine, last reduction 25/4/17 on advice from PDoc to reduce the severe Akathesia, Panick Attacks and other disabling symptoms. 7/4/17 Propronolol @ 40mg x 3 times per day increasing as required. 160mg Slow Release x 3 times per day for disabling Panic Attacks. 15/5/17 medication mix up, somewhere prior Mirtazapine increased to 60mg per day. PDoc concerned of Seratonin Syndrome reduced to 30mg per day. 21/6/17 Effexor 37.5mg reduced. 22/8/17 Mirtazapine reduced 15mg. 14/9/17 Developed GERD added 40mg Omeprazole x 1, 200mg x1 Ferrous Fumarate, 17/9/17 Propranolol dosage between 320mg to 400mg 3 to 4x per every second day for disabling Panic Attacks. 17/9/17 Current Medication: 12.5mg Olanzapine, 187.5mg Enlafax XR, 15mg Mirtazpine, Propranolol Slow Release 160mg x 3 pd, Propranolol 320mg to 400mg x 3 or 4 x perday. 40mg Omeprazole x 1, 200mg x 1 Ferrous Fumarate 29/9/17 Propranolol Slow Release 160mg x 3pd, Propranolol 120mg x 3 pd = 840mg per day. 9/10/17 Propranolol Slow Release 160mg x 3 per day, Propranolol 80mg x 3 per day = 720mg per day. Increased 10/9/17 Propranolol 840mg per day. 14/10/17 Reduced Mirtazapine to13.5mg 18/10/17 Removed Mirtazpine 13.5mg 23/10/17 Reducing Propranolol by 10mg every second day down to 400mg per day. 13/12/17 Now at 400mg Propranolol per day - holding. 20/12/17 Reduced Olanzapine by 10% to 11.25mg. 21/1/18: Reduced Olanzapine by .625mg Reducing Propranolol by 10mg per week. 8/3/18 Reduced Olanzapine by .625mg . 6/4/18 Reduced .625mg Olanzapine. 4/5/18 Reduced .625 Olanzapine 31/5/18 Changed from Propranolol 160 SR to Propranolol 160. 8/6/18 Morning Olanzapine changed to wafer and reduced by .10mg. 15/6/18 Reduced Olanzapine by .10mg per week Current Medication: 8.345mg Olanzapine; 187.50 Enlafax SR; Propranolol 55mg x 4 per day. Minimum 30mins exercise per day. Fortisip x 2 per day. 6/7/18 Admitted to Hospital with Chronic Aspiration Pneumonia - medications reduced. 8/11/18 Effexor XR 75mg morning and 37.5mg evening, Madopar Rapid 62.5mg x 4 per day. Link to comment
nz11 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Sorry your husband is suffering. It is certainly not easy. You could check out the self care links What does the pdoc say ? does he have any ideas? I'd love for a few docs to have to experience this. For me distraction was the best tool and trying to just relax through the waves. Hope things settle down soon. nz11 Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing. http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651 Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos. Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you Recovering paxil addict None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped." Dr Mosher. Me too! Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015 I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015 Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017 Link to comment
Boomer Posted January 19, 2017 Author Share Posted January 19, 2017 hi i am the husband, and am not thinking clearly so excuse any nonsense. I am feeling so yuk and have been tryiing to ignore it but the akathesia/anxiety is full on. Feeeling nervous even to have a shower was scarey. I have nothing positive to say as i am feeling very vulnerable. The community Pdoc has said that this is a direct result of withdrawing from Olanzapine which was administered to me when I was admitted to hospital. He is now trying to get me off the Olanzapine and has added Mirtzapine to relieve the symptoms. He wants to increase the Mirtzapine and if this doesn't help then add Propapanol. I am desperate. Effexor Brand changed over to Enlafax XR sometime during the first three months of 2017. Reduced to 12.5mg Olanzapine, last reduction 25/4/17 on advice from PDoc to reduce the severe Akathesia, Panick Attacks and other disabling symptoms. 7/4/17 Propronolol @ 40mg x 3 times per day increasing as required. 160mg Slow Release x 3 times per day for disabling Panic Attacks. 15/5/17 medication mix up, somewhere prior Mirtazapine increased to 60mg per day. PDoc concerned of Seratonin Syndrome reduced to 30mg per day. 21/6/17 Effexor 37.5mg reduced. 22/8/17 Mirtazapine reduced 15mg. 14/9/17 Developed GERD added 40mg Omeprazole x 1, 200mg x1 Ferrous Fumarate, 17/9/17 Propranolol dosage between 320mg to 400mg 3 to 4x per every second day for disabling Panic Attacks. 17/9/17 Current Medication: 12.5mg Olanzapine, 187.5mg Enlafax XR, 15mg Mirtazpine, Propranolol Slow Release 160mg x 3 pd, Propranolol 320mg to 400mg x 3 or 4 x perday. 40mg Omeprazole x 1, 200mg x 1 Ferrous Fumarate 29/9/17 Propranolol Slow Release 160mg x 3pd, Propranolol 120mg x 3 pd = 840mg per day. 9/10/17 Propranolol Slow Release 160mg x 3 per day, Propranolol 80mg x 3 per day = 720mg per day. Increased 10/9/17 Propranolol 840mg per day. 14/10/17 Reduced Mirtazapine to13.5mg 18/10/17 Removed Mirtazpine 13.5mg 23/10/17 Reducing Propranolol by 10mg every second day down to 400mg per day. 13/12/17 Now at 400mg Propranolol per day - holding. 20/12/17 Reduced Olanzapine by 10% to 11.25mg. 21/1/18: Reduced Olanzapine by .625mg Reducing Propranolol by 10mg per week. 8/3/18 Reduced Olanzapine by .625mg . 6/4/18 Reduced .625mg Olanzapine. 4/5/18 Reduced .625 Olanzapine 31/5/18 Changed from Propranolol 160 SR to Propranolol 160. 8/6/18 Morning Olanzapine changed to wafer and reduced by .10mg. 15/6/18 Reduced Olanzapine by .10mg per week Current Medication: 8.345mg Olanzapine; 187.50 Enlafax SR; Propranolol 55mg x 4 per day. Minimum 30mins exercise per day. Fortisip x 2 per day. 6/7/18 Admitted to Hospital with Chronic Aspiration Pneumonia - medications reduced. 8/11/18 Effexor XR 75mg morning and 37.5mg evening, Madopar Rapid 62.5mg x 4 per day. Link to comment
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