Arti: paroxetine 17 years intolerably

[Arti]

First tapper few times 
Then stopped it at 0,091mg 

[Longroadhome]

I can tell just from your post that you are getting small improvements @Arti. 
whst is better fir you now regarding symptoms even small improvements? 

[Arti]

I dont Know sorry 

i thought akathisia is better. And sometimes the tolerate of Noise and light. And the Morning anxiety is very Different Than Weeks before. 
but the Pgad and insomnia would Not get better. On some Nights i thought maybe it could be some Kind of sleep. But Most Knights the Pgad Makes it impossible to Even lay down Quite. I read That is it immpossible to sleep with cold feets. And with this pgad it must be the Same. Not possible to Rest with this torture feeling in the genitals. Even if i would be able to sleep in generell this would Make it impossible. My better Days are only related to a easier Night. That are Not Windows. Ist only because maybe i sleept a little without Knowing 
 

 

 

[Longroadhome]

Arti you ARE going to be free of symptoms in the future my friend . Now you are off all drugs especially.  
I’m at 1.8 mg of Paxil now and my body is protesting at the low amount and it’s  making my symptoms more severe. The dizziness I wouldn’t wish on anyone. I’ve had countless tests and MRIs and they all come back clear.
 

Your sleep was so bad in the beginning so this is an improvement. Akathisia, noise, morning anxiety all improving slowly. So happy there are improvements Arti however slight .  
 

Take good care and keep going!!!!!!   

[Arti]

@Longroadhome you cannot Imagine how much Hope you Give  to me. 
 

yes you are in the critcal Area. Paroxetine is a Rat Poison. From my laymans Point of view i think because of the short half Life your Body cannot Build up Constant drug Level in lower Areas. The System destabilize itself.
Continue your way ! you‘ve come so far!! 

brassmonkey did it so you can too! 
best wishes i Hope i can soon give a better Update !

[Arti]

Hello @Longroadhome sorry for writing so fast again. Today was a Little easier day maybe i sleept a Little yesterday Night. I was able to Cook and have a small Walk and Visit a Friend for 20 min. All this Feels Strange and Not like me. And immediatly brings me to the Limit. But for These few Hours i was thankfull Not knowing what happend in the next Hours or tonight. 
i remembered also two Things That are imprioved i had some dyskinesia symthoms  I nod  the Head very oftem some small movement. Also if i was laying in the bed there was Some gurgling in the throat. It is Not gone completely but Nearly. Strange That  some Thing are better an you cannot Detect this or remember. 
it is such a difficult way to fight and fight and Go on. I Hope so much That there will be a Chance 
 

you Said you had an MRT. I think because of the Brain ?  Can i ask if you had it with contrast liquid or without. I  wanted to have the Same done. But i have fear of the liquid. I want it without.

 

thanks for all i think on you and Hope your ok !!

 

Arti 

 

 

[Longroadhome]

44 minutes ago, Arti said:

Hello @Longroadhome sorry for writing so fast again. Today was a Little easier day maybe i sleept a Little yesterday Night. I was able to Cook and have a small Walk and Visit a Friend for 20 min. All this Feels Strange and Not like me. And immediatly brings me to the Limit. But for These few Hours i was thankfull Not knowing what happend in the next Hours or tonight. 
i remembered also two Things That are imprioved i had some dyskinesia symthoms  I nod  the Head very oftem some small movement. Also if i was laying in the bed there was Some gurgling in the throat. It is Not gone completely but Nearly. Strange That  some Thing are better an you cannot Detect this or remember. 
it is such a difficult way to fight and fight and Go on. I Hope so much That there will be a Chance 
 

you Said you had an MRT. I think because of the Brain ?  Can i ask if you had it with contrast liquid or without. I  wanted to have the Same done. But i have fear of the liquid. I want it without.

 

thanks for all i think on you and Hope your ok !!

 

Arti 

 

 

Hi Arti yes I’ve had two MRIs without contrast . 
I’ve also had scan on my bowels and that was with contrast and everything was fine . Didn’t have a reaction .  I think it’s only a scan that can come with contrast not an MRI. 
Has the Akathisia improved and the anxiety?  
you’re doing great Arti absolutely great!!!!! 

[Arti]

Thanks @Longroadhomefor the Info i asked because at the beginning of this nightmare  i had a Scan with liquid for my bowels and i had a Bad Reaction maybe because of the jodin in the liquid. So i would Avoid this. 

dont Know what to say About the akathisia and the anxiety. It is very different Than one year ago. 
i dont longer have to lay on the Floor move Form left to Right and scream because of the inner torture. But what i have is a awful Form of restles legs Most in the Evening. It is like somebody connect the legs with electrical Power. Very unconfortable. It Starts in the legs but i can Feel it in the Wohle Body. 
also anxiety has changed. Its More anxiety From the Mind with thoughts Not so chemical how it was. And in the Morning Time it is there but Less Than it was. 
i have Problems to Descripe that. And i am Sure All of this would be better if i could get More sleep. 

greetings Arti 

[Longroadhome]

1 hour ago, Arti said:

Thanks @Longroadhomefor the Info i asked because at the beginning of this nightmare  i had a Scan with liquid for my bowels and i had a Bad Reaction maybe because of the jodin in the liquid. So i would Avoid this. 

dont Know what to say About the akathisia and the anxiety. It is very different Than one year ago. 
i dont longer have to lay on the Floor move Form left to Right and scream because of the inner torture. But what i have is a awful Form of restles legs Most in the Evening. It is like somebody connect the legs with electrical Power. Very unconfortable. It Starts in the legs but i can Feel it in the Wohle Body. 
also anxiety has changed. Its More anxiety From the Mind with thoughts Not so chemical how it was. And in the Morning Time it is there but Less Than it was. 
i have Problems to Descripe that. And i am Sure All of this would be better if i could get More sleep. 

greetings Arti 

I have the restless legs too. It’s not there every night.but can last several nights where I have to keep moving them all the time. I also move my right leg constantly. I do this because if it’s still I feel like I’m  in motion.  Like my body is moving all the time. I’ve had this symptom  for a while. It’s not the floaty boat dizziness that I have it’s more like my whole body is moving forward or to the side when I know it isn’t. 
It’s a very unpleasant feeling but like all other symptoms I have, I have started to get used to it even though I don’t like it. Acceptance is the only way. 
 

[Arti]

@Longroadhome in this 3 years i had Many Symptoms. Some i Even cant Really remember some chanced some stayed untill now. Yes your Right acceptance is the only way but to be Honest i have enough After 3 awful years. 
i Wisch you the Best for your tapper you will do the Rest ! Even if it get bumpy. Lets stay in Contact from time to time. 

 

Arti 

[Longroadhome]

1 hour ago, Arti said:

@Longroadhome in this 3 years i had Many Symptoms. Some i Even cant Really remember some chanced some stayed untill now. Yes your Right acceptance is the only way but to be Honest i have enough After 3 awful years. 
i Wisch you the Best for your tapper you will do the Rest ! Even if it get bumpy. Lets stay in Contact from time to time. 

 

Arti 

Believe me I have also had enough Arti it’s no way to exist. 
we will definitely stay in contact  

[Arti]

Hello,

Today was a better day so i thougt i write a few sentences. 

I have many sympthoms and everything is strange but today i can believe that it could be better with Time. The last Weeks were difficult. Better days, Horror days. Allways dependet of the night befor 

Last night i thougt i sleept for a while. And paradoxically today i am more exhaust and tired than i was since a very long Time. 

But i like this feeling i was not knowing that i Would ever be able to experience such a feeling again.

It is a difficult Life and very fragile 

To much Talk on the iPhone, eat to much wrong food, To much small tasks in the head, and so on. And everything become worse. 

Sympthoms come sympthoms Go.

Sometimes i have the feeling it must be worse than ever only to become better.

Often i cry, but the most Time it is no longer because of the hopelessness. It is because of the overcoming feelings. 

I could write a Lot more but enough for today. We will See what the night and tomorrow brings.

Greetings Arti 

[Longroadhome]

@Arti

This is the first time you have written without a prompt !!! Yes the very first time. 
I’m so pleased I’m sat here smiling. You are slowly recovering Arti. Yes you are. I’m so proud of you my friend . And you be proud too. 
keep going and one day we’ll never be able to knock the smile off your face!!!! 
One day you will be free and healed . Free,  never to be overcome with WD ever again. Free to live your best life.

Thank you for posting 😊

[Aurorax]

Reading this made me so happy, @Arti. Thanks for taking the time to let us know that you are doing better. Not everyone is able to keep going when feeling the kind of despair and hopelessness that you have felt. It’s one thing to go through suffering when you believe you will be ok. Forcing oneself to continue when you have lost your hope is a different beast. I hope you take a moment to look at yourself in the mirror and fully appreciate what you have managed to do. I know you have a lot ahead of you, but if you have made it this far, then you are unstoppable.

 

Aurorax

[Longroadhome]

@Aurorax. You should be proud too! The more I go though this the more I understand the suffering one has to go through to make it. 

 

[Aurorax]

Thanks, @Longroadhome So should you!

[Arti]

Thanks! @Longroadhome

Thanks! @Aurorax

we all should be proud! What we have gone through and will Go through is unbelievable. 
after i was writing the last Post a few Days were better then a few Days were very Bad. Today will become a bad day because i think i sleept Not a Wink. Some Days i feel very small Fragments of my Old Even before paroxetin nearly 20 years ago. But Often it feels further away then Ever and very Bad. Allways depending on the Night. I Long so much for normal sleep. And i Try allways to remember how it was bevor this all Happend. I Wonder if it really can Come back After such a Long time. Sure there are better Nights and i think i must sleep a few Hour there because i feel better the Next day but it Feels Not like sleeping. And i Wonder the dead Foo fighter Drummer Taylor Hawkins had Ten different substances Inside his Body. Opiate, Ad, benzos etc. And he was able to Go to Tournee and Play Concerts. I Even Cant Listen to the Radio. Sure i do Not Know how Long he was Taking all That Stuff. But i ask myself why is my sleep so destroyed from That poison. 
sorry for the Long writing. Today i had the feeling to do That. I still Hope i can Continue but it is very Hard. And longroadhome i can feel with you and That is Becoming Harder. But you will do it. You are on the Right path. Go on 

thanks again !!!

Arti 

[Longroadhome]

Hawkins was being propped up by the drugs @Arti. You’re flying solo! 😊👍

no matter what you think,  your thread and replies now tell a story of slow recovery for you. 
I’m so proud of you.  I know exactly how bad this gets and you my friend are starting to find your wings. 
just keep on doing what your doing,  don’t interfere  with nature and you will make it to the other side.  

love that phrase “make it to the other side” and all it implies ..

Health

Happiness  

Living your best life 

Never again to venture down the dark path of WD

NEVER again taking health for granted just very  happy to feel normal

Humble

Yes it’s harder now I’m at a low dose of Paxil.

[Arti]

Yes @Longroadhome your right i'm flying solo. And that is what keeps me going.

Every day i say to myself you are free Now.  

And yes i Would definitely make it to the other side to see whats waiting there.

 

@Aurorax i was reading your Message many Times to understand. I dont exactly know what kept me going in this Many many hopeless hours. But i allways said to myself you have Not reached Zero yet. Hold out until Zero comes. 

No i haven't looked in the mirror yet to appreciate.  I haven't dared until now. But i hope i can do that soon and then i will think on you.

 

So now i leave you in Peace for a while

But i will Report and i hope so Much that i can Report good things.

 

Arti 

[ChessieCat]

 Arti posted this in another member's topic:

 

3 hours ago, Arti said:

Oh my good when i was reading this i remebered so many things that i had that are better or gone.

I think i was so confused by the drug  mix that i Couldnt recognize it. I remember this jelly legs, hair felling out, blurred vision, dizzines, itchy skin, pain in the right knee, bladder problems, pain at the solles of the feet etc.

 Innumerable sympthoms 

Some sympthoms stay some are milder some are gone. 

That some are gone i recognized Not maybe because other sympthoms are Bad enough. 

 

[ChessieCat]

Arti posted this in another member's topic:

 

33 minutes ago, Arti said:

You mentioned the Muscle pain. I had this also and Muscles weakness. 

I remember one day i was in the garden full of akathisi couldnt sit still for a second but was so weak that i was not able to pull out weeds. This seems to be over or definitely better.

 

[Arti]

Hello all,

Hello @Longroadhome,

I thougt its Time to answer your question how i am. So i try to report. 

I think i sleept last Night 5 hours and the night before maybe 6 hours. Allways difficult to say because it feels Not like really sleep. The night From monday i think Zero sleep. 

The pgad i have the feeling get better. Sometimes i sweat abnormal during the night and im still Go very often to the toillet in bad nights wich are unfortunately the majority. 

I found out if i think i sleept one night a few hours the following Night It will be less, and then the following again less or none. 

So i have a new worry to think maybe my circadian rhythm is damaged. I read this for some People who took AP that the rhythm shifts by an hour every day. 

 

I have problems to Talk to others thats a Lot of effort for the head. 

Sugar, noise, too much  impressions, Stress etc. results in anxiety, Freezing, brain fog (i think its brain fog), Tinnitus, hearbeat and other strange things.

Sometimes i have a Lot of rage,  sometimes i am tearfull.

Its a roller coaster. 

But I recognized the  last days that i can tolerate heat better than last year. 

 

Since i stopped the diazepam in January i have gained 5 kilos. I am still skin and bones but on better days i can feel that i have a little more Power. Before paroxetin my weight was round about 78kg for many years so i think this should be my healthy normal weight. Now i am at 66kg.

We will see what happen.

 

I know I write a little confused what i can think of at the moment. 

I cant really Talk about windows and wave. I think a Lot of sympthoms are because of the sleeplessness. 

 

Last week on a better morning i thougt i try a few minutes at the lowest level on the hometrainer but it was not possible. I got anxiety and a feeling of tightness, maybe was to early at the morning or in General to early in the prozess. 

 

If i am better i cannot believe that it ever can be as worst as it was 

And if i am Bad I cannot believe that it can get better. 

 

I could write more but why should i list everything. It is a Lot.

But i think its better than month before.

 

I am hopeless and then i am hopefull depending on the night. 

 

Longroadhome i hope you are doing ok with your tapper!!! There was a Lot of correspondence in Erells Thread and i think the same. From a certain point Some People are Not able to stabilize no matter how long they wait. The same happend to me. And then you cannot different between WD and side effects. 

 

Greetings 

Arti 

 

 

[Longroadhome]

18 minutes ago, Arti said:

Hello all,

Hello @Longroadhome,

I thougt its Time to answer your question how i am. So i try to report. 

I think i sleept last Night 5 hours and the night before maybe 6 hours. Allways difficult to say because it feels Not like really sleep. The night From monday i think Zero sleep. 

The pgad i have the feeling get better. Sometimes i sweat abnormal during the night and im still Go very often to the toillet in bad nights wich are unfortunately the majority. 

I found out if i think i sleept one night a few hours the following Night It will be less, and then the following again less or none. 

So i have a new worry to think maybe my circadian rhythm is damaged. I read this for some People who took AP that the rhythm shifts by an hour every day. 

 

I have problems to Talk to others thats a Lot of effort for the head. 

Sugar, noise, too much  impressions, Stress etc. results in anxiety, Freezing, brain fog (i think its brain fog), Tinnitus, hearbeat and other strange things.

Sometimes i have a Lot of rage,  sometimes i am tearfull.

Its a roller coaster. 

But I recognized the  last days that i can tolerate heat better than last year. 

 

Since i stopped the diazepam in January i have gained 5 kilos. I am still skin and bones but on better days i can feel that i have a little more Power. Before paroxetin my weight was round about 78kg for many years so i think this should be my healthy normal weight. Now i am at 66kg.

We will see what happen.

 

I know I write a little confused what i can think of at the moment. 

I cant really Talk about windows and wave. I think a Lot of sympthoms are because of the sleeplessness. 

 

Last week on a better morning i thougt i try a few minutes at the lowest level on the hometrainer but it was not possible. I got anxiety and a feeling of tightness, maybe was to early at the morning or in General to early in the prozess. 

 

If i am better i cannot believe that it ever can be as worst as it was 

And if i am Bad I cannot believe that it can get better. 

 

I could write more but why should i list everything. It is a Lot.

But i think its better than month before.

 

I am hopeless and then i am hopefull depending on the night. 

 

Longroadhome i hope you are doing ok with your tapper!!! There was a Lot of correspondence in Erells Thread and i think the same. From a certain point Some People are Not able to stabilize no matter how long they wait. The same happend to me. And then you cannot different between WD and side effects. 

 

Greetings 

Arti 

 

 

Arti I’m just out to work very early today and In all day. 
I will respond to your post probably tomorrow as I want to read through properly.  
A quick read through tells me you are making progress my friend 👍

[Arti]

@Longroadhome no need to answer immediatelly.

I didnt want to put preasure on you! 

Thats Not good for your own recovering.  

Days weeks no matter i am Here.

 

[Longroadhome]

Guten Morgen Arti. Jetet habe Ich zeit zu antworten. 
Considering English is not your first language and you are having to translate it demonstrates a good level of cognition. So talking to people makes you anxious with the brain freeze etc, but given time, and further healing, being part of a community and socialising will come more natural, when the WD anxiety fades. 
There are so many positives in your reply, that maybe you are overlooking. 
The back and forward sleep pattern is normal for this part of your recovery. I’ve read it a thousand times in threads on this forum. Nothing is damaged. Don’t look into the future and predict. Look at the past two years, and where you have come from. This is recovery you are seeing right? This is progress, yes.
I also have the rage and the tears Arti. It’s uncontrollable and feels a part of me when it’s happening, and overwhelming. Our emotions are all over the place and coming in excessive amounts. It’s draining and hard to deal with. I look forward to this calming and settling in the future. 

So look to the positives. You have nights when sleep is better, you are gaining weight, you can tolerate heat better, the pgad is improving, you have more energy, enough to consider working out.  
 

“If i am better i cannot believe that it ever can be as worst as it was 

And if i am Bad I cannot believe that it can get better”

Consider this statement and apply it to what you have said in your reply. 
Your sleep is up and down 

Your emotions are up and down 

Your energy fluctuates 

Some days are overall  better than others 

Cognition alternates 

And  so goes the pattern of recovery …

 

Spulen, waschen, wiederholen. 
 

Mach Weiter my friend. 

[Arti]

@Longroadhome sorry for the fast response again From myside. As i told i dont want to Set you under preasure.

First. Dein deutsch ist sehr gut, much better than my english. Sometimes i write a Lot of BS or create new words i know. I have to say to my defense that the German spelling correction made me mad. And i dont know how to change on my Tablet. 

 

Two nights with no sleep and i am awfull. A wonderfull Sunny day and the only Thing i could do was endure. Sit on a chair and Fall from time to time  what i Call Trance. Dreaming with eyes Open or half reality half Dream Not knowing if i sleept for seconds or Not, awfull terrible. And that just doesnt Change since 3,5 years it happens over and over again. How can i believe that it will Go away since such a long Time. 

Again a lost day and nobody know what happens tonight. I have the feeling that my Psych is Not able to endure this insomnia anymore. 3,5 years are a long Time and for this i come to the Limit.

I got Panic in the night because i know how awfull the next day is. 

 

I decided to write again down how the nights are in my book. But it is difficult to write down how long i was sleeping i can only guess how long. And i know if nothing happens until 11pm then the night is over and no sleep will come. 

 

Sure there are some things better but i dont know how long i can Go on with this insomnia. As i said 3,5 years with Not one Single night with normal sleep pait their tribute.

 

Ich werde weitermachen as you say. As long as i can somehow.

I know that there steps backwards but i allways have the feeling that i am different case.

I cannot See a pattern of Windows and waves. The most depends on the nights.

 

I will keep reporting

 

Best wishes 

Arti 

 

[Longroadhome]

@Arti your way of thinking is normal for all of us in  WD. I have been over three and a half years with constant symptoms too and I always wonder if I will be one of the people that don’t recover.  I think this is natural after suffering so long . 
But I’m still tapering so I have to get off these poisons and see how I settle. 
This is the same for you . You have only been off all meds since January this year, and your body is in the process of juggling to get things back on track. 

Arti You are encouraging the panic by predicting how you will feel the next day . And because your body is in a constant state of flight/fight, it is reacting intensely. I understand the panic. Try to distract and keep you mind occupied wherever possible. 

Sie mussen weiterhin die geduld finden, zu warten. 

Erholung wird kommen.

[Arti]

Hi,

Only a short Post, last weak we had a heat wave here. 

And i recognized that i was able to sweat. I dont know if it anyone cares or if it is relevant. But i was not able to sweat the last years. It was like my skin was sealed. And when you should actually sweat i got a tight feeling, panic, and a feeling of a cold skin. I dont know how to explain. 

Do you know the feeling when you exert yourself or do sports and sweat. And then a refreshing shower 

I could not feel that or do that the last years. Last week it was in parts possible. 

My God what a Rat poison.

 

Greetings 

Arti

 

[Longroadhome]

I think it is relevant. All part of the healing process. 
I hope you don’t mind but I had a counselling session with Baylissa last week and I spoke about you (no name mentioned). Told her that progress is being made but that your sleep was not progressing and that you were worried because it’s been going on for a few years. She said your pattern of recovery is classic. Areas can improve and that symptoms that are most distressing can continue to be so through the pattern of none linear recovery. But that the most important thing to know is that you will recover and your ability to sleep will recover to. 

[Arti]

@Longroadhome thanks for Asking Baylissa!!! That gives me courage and Hope. I appreciate Baylissas Expertise
i think in my case a lot of things led to this so Long lasting insomnia 

paroxetin wd, kindling

Dominanl adverse reaction followed by WD with frequent urinating and pgad 

and the diazepam i could also Not tolerate. 

so it was a lot 
 

The Problem with the sleep is that insomnia itself make a lot of Strange sympthoms, Even on an otherwise healthy person without WD. What i hold on is That feeling during the Night keeps changing. So Last Night i think i sleept maybe from 10pm to 3:30am with one Break. Ist’s  difficult to say when i wake up. what is definitely different the terrible Mornings, this awful fear ist milder. Not away but milder. Also the Strange thoughts.

it Keeps changing and Anyway After such a Night i feel much better. 

Still knowing That it is far away from normal but i have the Energy to believe and Hope. 
 

longroadhome i Hope you are Not angry about what i say. 
but you dont Need baylissa, altostrata or brassmonkey you Know everything. 
you only Need to believe and Trust in what you are Doing and one day Not far away you will be free and Fine. 
 

you are wonderfull! 
you did so much for me 

 

greetings

Arti 

 

[Longroadhome]

Love love love your message @Arti.  You are recovering. It’s right there in your words. 
You’re  welcome regarding Baylissa. She was confident you are on your way. 
you’re getting more sleep, this is good. And symptoms are lessening. Very good. The changes in the night is no doubt your body trying to get things right. 
 

Continue to believe and hope. 
 

im not cross with what you have said Arti. I’ve gained in knowledge since I joined this forum, and I’d say I’m more confident in my ability to cope, rather than being scared witless and constantly seeking reassurance, like in the beginning. 
I speak only with Baylissa now and that’s because I still have times where I need to talk about what I’m going through with someone who understands. My family are wonderful but have no idea what I’m going through. How can anyone unless they have been there themselves . 
 

we are firm friends now Arti. Something good always comes from something bad.
 

Thank you  my friend for  your lovely kind words. 

[Arti]

@Longroadhome i understand, its difficult to talk to somebody who hasnt been trough the same thing. Nobody can imagine or believe that. But somehow you have to get rid of it. In my delusion i often babbled to my girlfriend. She often had to leave the house when it was to much for her. But every time she came back to me and stand by my side. She said the same as you and Aurorax to me. But she was never reading one sentence on SA.

I had also a good colleague who had taken techno drugs a few times in die 90s and could understand somehow. 

 

You are right something good allways comes from something Bad.

My Friend 

 

Greetings 

Arti 

[Arti]

Back in hell again was only two days which were little bit better. No sleep since 3 nights. Difficult to believe to survive after this long Time. Im upset about my last Reports nothing of that seems correct

I am sorry about that. I think maybe it is better to avoid the Forum again for a while to rethink. I am sorry to disappoint everyone again. 

 

Greetings 

Arti 

[Longroadhome]

1 hour ago, Arti said:

Back in hell again was only two days which were little bit better. No sleep since 3 nights. Difficult to believe to survive after this long Time. Im upset about my last Reports nothing of that seems correct

I am sorry about that. I think maybe it is better to avoid the Forum again for a while to rethink. I am sorry to disappoint everyone again. 

 

Greetings 

Arti 

Disappoint , never. 
You are back in a wave. Awful as it is you have to get through each day as best you can. 
Your report was correct at the time of writing. We all understand. You know how it works Arti, 1 step forward, 2 steps back. None linear. 
Better days will come again. 

keep going. 
 

[ChessieCat]

34 minutes ago, Longroadhome said:

1 step forward, 2 steps back

 

If it was 1 step forward, 2 steps back, we wouldn't get anywhere. ☹️

 

The expression is 2 steps forward, one step back.  And we will get there eventually. 😊

[Longroadhome]

48 minutes ago, ChessieCat said:

 

If it was 1 step forward, 2 steps back, we wouldn't get anywhere. ☹️

 

The expression is 2 steps forward, one step back.  And we will get there eventually. 😊

Hi chessie ! 
well something like that!! Hopefully Arti knows what I mean lol 🙃