Administrator Altostrata Posted March 8, 2020 Administrator Share Posted March 8, 2020 Rozon, I've said all I have to say about whether you should reinstate or not. Please stop tagging me with this question. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Colonial Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Hi buddy, thought these 2 might be of some held. I know when we are in the worst opening stage of withdrawal we can forget A LOT of what ppl tell us: These might help calm you down a bit with the fear and panic, it's all "normal", unfortunately Starting ds 2 (12.5 CR'S) = 25 MG PAXIL CR 1/21/15: 1 Pill + 10mg liquid (2 weeks) 2/4: 1 Pill + 9mg Lq (3 weeks) 2/25: 1 Pill + 8 mg lq (1 week) 3/4: 1 Pill + 6 mg lq (2 weeks) 3/18/15 1 Pill + 4 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/1/15 1 Pill + 3 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/14/15 1 Pill + 2 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/29/15 1Pill + 1 mg lq (16 days) 5/15/15 1 12.5 mg Pill ONLY (9 days) 5/24/15 12 mgs liquid (8 days) 6/1/15 11mg lq (12 days) 6/13/15 10 mg. 12/3/15 Drop from 8mg to 7.6 (24 days to) 12/27/15 7.2mgs 8/4/16 6.8mgs, 11/1/16 6.4mgs, 2/5/17 6 mgs 4/3/17 5.6mgs, 4/24/17 5.2mg, 6/13/17 4.8mgs, 9/20/17 4.4mgS, 11/23/17 4 mgs, 1/1/18 3.6 mgs, 2/15/18 3.2 mgs. 4/13/18 2.8mgs, 5/11/18 2.4mgs, 6/10/18 2.0 mgs, 8/4/18 1.6mgs, 9/27/18 1.2mgs, 12/24/18 0.8mg, 3/24/19 0.64 mg,(syringe change issue date?) 4/22/19 0.60 mg, 5/24/19 0.60 mg, 7/7/19 0.52 mgs, 8/4/19 0.44mgs, 11/4/19 0.36mgs, 2/1/20 0.28mgs, 3/1/20 0.24mgs (crash April 6) Compound started 6/28/21: 0.24mgs, 8/29/21: 0.22mgs, 10/31/21: 0.20mgs, 1/03/22: 0.18mgs, 3/5/22: 0.16mgs, 5/5/22: 0.14mgs. Original Wellbutrin Dose: 6 months from 9/14 to 3/2015, 300 XL 3/15/15: Half to 150 XL ( severe symptoms started on day 12) 4/16/15: 125mg for 20 days to: 5/6/15: 100mg for 15 days to: 5/21/15 75mg for 10 days to: 6/1/15: 56.25mg 13 days to: 6/13/15: 37.25mg 7 days to: 6/20/15 28.12mg 14 days to: 7/4/15 18.75mg, 7 days to: 7/11/15; RAISE BACK TO: 28.12 to 8/14/15: 18.75mg 20 days to :9/3/15 : 12.5mg, 8/4/16 9mg 1/9/17: 8.5mg 2/8/17 8mg, 3/9/17: 7.6 4/9/17 7.2 5/27/17 6.4 6/24/17 5.8, 8/1/17 5.0, 8/29/17 4.2mgs, 10/2/17 3.5mgs, 12/28/17 2.5mgs, 2/27/18 1.7mgs, 4/19/18 0.8 mgs, LAST DOSE: 6/11/18: 3 YEARS, 2 MONTHS, 27 DAYS... Link to comment
Rozon1 Posted March 10, 2020 Author Share Posted March 10, 2020 hey thanks for the advice peeps. Physical symptoms are still there but improving in other areas or so it seems. @brassmonkey when you say life will return to normal, what do you mean? I've seen somewhere you posted that some of your friends are still going through waves and windows 5 years later. Is there life back to normal would you say? Just curious because it'll make this process much easier knowing it DOES get better after some time Example: 2018 - Started Effexor 37.5 in Janurary of 2018 2019 January, 2nd - Cold Turkeyed from Effexor for 3 days. Reinstated on the third day, then stabilized(It took 3 months to stabilize) 2019 June - I switched from Effexor instant release to Extended Release 37.5 for better tapering. I tapered to 50% in 4 weeks before reinstating my dosage back to 37.5(due to withdrawls). I waited 2 months to stabilize but never did at 37.5 2019 September - continued to taper in to 25% on extended release 2019 October - continued to taper to half of the beads(18.75mg)... WIthdrawls were so bad I tried switching back to the instant release at the same dosage(18.75mg) 2019 November 28th - Discontinued effexor at 18.75 without anymore tapering. 2020 January - Just can't sleep, have constipation, low libido and still lack of full emotion Link to comment
Rozon1 Posted March 12, 2020 Author Share Posted March 12, 2020 Some updates. My heart rate is constantly 110bpm. That’s worrisome as it’s been making me feel a bit shaky. Wondering if this is normal and if it’ll pass? @Colonial @Happy2Heal @Altostrata? Example: 2018 - Started Effexor 37.5 in Janurary of 2018 2019 January, 2nd - Cold Turkeyed from Effexor for 3 days. Reinstated on the third day, then stabilized(It took 3 months to stabilize) 2019 June - I switched from Effexor instant release to Extended Release 37.5 for better tapering. I tapered to 50% in 4 weeks before reinstating my dosage back to 37.5(due to withdrawls). I waited 2 months to stabilize but never did at 37.5 2019 September - continued to taper in to 25% on extended release 2019 October - continued to taper to half of the beads(18.75mg)... WIthdrawls were so bad I tried switching back to the instant release at the same dosage(18.75mg) 2019 November 28th - Discontinued effexor at 18.75 without anymore tapering. 2020 January - Just can't sleep, have constipation, low libido and still lack of full emotion Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted March 12, 2020 Administrator Share Posted March 12, 2020 You have withdrawal syndrome. High heart rate is part of that. You are seeing improvements. If you take care of yourself, you are likely to see further improvements. Read @mstimc's fine topic 1 This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Rozon1 Posted March 12, 2020 Author Share Posted March 12, 2020 Okay thanks @Altostrata this cough is just getting bad is all Example: 2018 - Started Effexor 37.5 in Janurary of 2018 2019 January, 2nd - Cold Turkeyed from Effexor for 3 days. Reinstated on the third day, then stabilized(It took 3 months to stabilize) 2019 June - I switched from Effexor instant release to Extended Release 37.5 for better tapering. I tapered to 50% in 4 weeks before reinstating my dosage back to 37.5(due to withdrawls). I waited 2 months to stabilize but never did at 37.5 2019 September - continued to taper in to 25% on extended release 2019 October - continued to taper to half of the beads(18.75mg)... WIthdrawls were so bad I tried switching back to the instant release at the same dosage(18.75mg) 2019 November 28th - Discontinued effexor at 18.75 without anymore tapering. 2020 January - Just can't sleep, have constipation, low libido and still lack of full emotion Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted March 12, 2020 Administrator Share Posted March 12, 2020 You never mentioned a cough before. When did the cough start? A cough can be many things. It can be from seasonal allergy. It can be from a cold. It can be from a virus. We don't treat allergies, colds, or virus infections on this site. 1 This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Colonial Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 You might be shaky even without the heart rate up. The rule of thumb that I go by, and have, with a new symptom... And this is NOT to sound dismissive or obnoxious of the suffering, so just take it with the objective practicality that its intended with... Is that if a symptom didn't kill me in the first 10 days, I'm fine. It's WD, and probably not related to another condition The only exception I took to that was the severe head pain, because while chances are it's WD, I agreed to the head scan JIC it was a tumor or something... I even had some difficulty breathing related to bloating, and my throat would go numb for days or a week after a Paxil drop... Which is scary the first time it happens when you can't "feel" yourself swallowing, but after a week you get accustomed to it... I just had it again this month after the last drop. .. BUT... The heart rate itself, unless your heart is pounding, isn't something you would know unless you PURPOSELY went looking for symptoms to worry about. Stop taking Your pulse.... Stop actively looking for things that "could" be wrong... If the WD was going to have killed You, like say if You had a weak heart or another serious under lining but undiagnosed condition... it would have happened a month ago.... You have been "Actively suffering" long enough now to be past the danger point of it killing You due to it stressing another underlining condition.. 1 Starting ds 2 (12.5 CR'S) = 25 MG PAXIL CR 1/21/15: 1 Pill + 10mg liquid (2 weeks) 2/4: 1 Pill + 9mg Lq (3 weeks) 2/25: 1 Pill + 8 mg lq (1 week) 3/4: 1 Pill + 6 mg lq (2 weeks) 3/18/15 1 Pill + 4 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/1/15 1 Pill + 3 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/14/15 1 Pill + 2 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/29/15 1Pill + 1 mg lq (16 days) 5/15/15 1 12.5 mg Pill ONLY (9 days) 5/24/15 12 mgs liquid (8 days) 6/1/15 11mg lq (12 days) 6/13/15 10 mg. 12/3/15 Drop from 8mg to 7.6 (24 days to) 12/27/15 7.2mgs 8/4/16 6.8mgs, 11/1/16 6.4mgs, 2/5/17 6 mgs 4/3/17 5.6mgs, 4/24/17 5.2mg, 6/13/17 4.8mgs, 9/20/17 4.4mgS, 11/23/17 4 mgs, 1/1/18 3.6 mgs, 2/15/18 3.2 mgs. 4/13/18 2.8mgs, 5/11/18 2.4mgs, 6/10/18 2.0 mgs, 8/4/18 1.6mgs, 9/27/18 1.2mgs, 12/24/18 0.8mg, 3/24/19 0.64 mg,(syringe change issue date?) 4/22/19 0.60 mg, 5/24/19 0.60 mg, 7/7/19 0.52 mgs, 8/4/19 0.44mgs, 11/4/19 0.36mgs, 2/1/20 0.28mgs, 3/1/20 0.24mgs (crash April 6) Compound started 6/28/21: 0.24mgs, 8/29/21: 0.22mgs, 10/31/21: 0.20mgs, 1/03/22: 0.18mgs, 3/5/22: 0.16mgs, 5/5/22: 0.14mgs. Original Wellbutrin Dose: 6 months from 9/14 to 3/2015, 300 XL 3/15/15: Half to 150 XL ( severe symptoms started on day 12) 4/16/15: 125mg for 20 days to: 5/6/15: 100mg for 15 days to: 5/21/15 75mg for 10 days to: 6/1/15: 56.25mg 13 days to: 6/13/15: 37.25mg 7 days to: 6/20/15 28.12mg 14 days to: 7/4/15 18.75mg, 7 days to: 7/11/15; RAISE BACK TO: 28.12 to 8/14/15: 18.75mg 20 days to :9/3/15 : 12.5mg, 8/4/16 9mg 1/9/17: 8.5mg 2/8/17 8mg, 3/9/17: 7.6 4/9/17 7.2 5/27/17 6.4 6/24/17 5.8, 8/1/17 5.0, 8/29/17 4.2mgs, 10/2/17 3.5mgs, 12/28/17 2.5mgs, 2/27/18 1.7mgs, 4/19/18 0.8 mgs, LAST DOSE: 6/11/18: 3 YEARS, 2 MONTHS, 27 DAYS... Link to comment
Mentor mstimc Posted March 12, 2020 Mentor Share Posted March 12, 2020 52 minutes ago, Colonial said: Stop actively looking for things that "could" be wrong... If the WD was going to have killed You, like say if You had a weak heart or another serious under lining but undiagnosed condition... it would have happened a month ago.... You have been "Actively suffering" long enough now to be past the danger point of it killing You due to it stressing another underlining condition.. Great advice, Colonial! The first time I was able to tell myself "This is probably nothing and will go away." was tremendously empowering. After that it got easier to deal with WD symptoms (not to mention the effects of getting older and having things hurt just because). Rozon, I know its tough because the anxious part of your brain is saying "This may be something serious" but it rarely is. Persistent symptoms that are just "there" without getting progressively worse (or not killing you as Colonial said) are related to WD and anxiety. Try telling yourself "I'm feeling my heart racing again. I'm feeling anxious. I know this is an effect of WD and it'll pass if I ignore it". repeat it over and over if you need to. 1 Tim C Started Paxil for GAD in 1999 Unsuccessful taper attempt in 2006 Paxilprogress helped with a successful taper completed in 2009 Using therapy and CBT to manage my anxiety Link to comment
Rozon1 Posted March 12, 2020 Author Share Posted March 12, 2020 Hey @Altostrata yes I developed a cough a week and half ago. Mostly dry cough. Heart palpitations and spasms where my heart feels like it hurts. I’m not checking my pulse or anything constantly, I just had a doctors visit that made me aware of how it had been. @Colonial Example: 2018 - Started Effexor 37.5 in Janurary of 2018 2019 January, 2nd - Cold Turkeyed from Effexor for 3 days. Reinstated on the third day, then stabilized(It took 3 months to stabilize) 2019 June - I switched from Effexor instant release to Extended Release 37.5 for better tapering. I tapered to 50% in 4 weeks before reinstating my dosage back to 37.5(due to withdrawls). I waited 2 months to stabilize but never did at 37.5 2019 September - continued to taper in to 25% on extended release 2019 October - continued to taper to half of the beads(18.75mg)... WIthdrawls were so bad I tried switching back to the instant release at the same dosage(18.75mg) 2019 November 28th - Discontinued effexor at 18.75 without anymore tapering. 2020 January - Just can't sleep, have constipation, low libido and still lack of full emotion Link to comment
Colonial Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 Well, if like Me, you didnt know about something until you were told about it, its not something you have to worry about. 1 Starting ds 2 (12.5 CR'S) = 25 MG PAXIL CR 1/21/15: 1 Pill + 10mg liquid (2 weeks) 2/4: 1 Pill + 9mg Lq (3 weeks) 2/25: 1 Pill + 8 mg lq (1 week) 3/4: 1 Pill + 6 mg lq (2 weeks) 3/18/15 1 Pill + 4 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/1/15 1 Pill + 3 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/14/15 1 Pill + 2 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/29/15 1Pill + 1 mg lq (16 days) 5/15/15 1 12.5 mg Pill ONLY (9 days) 5/24/15 12 mgs liquid (8 days) 6/1/15 11mg lq (12 days) 6/13/15 10 mg. 12/3/15 Drop from 8mg to 7.6 (24 days to) 12/27/15 7.2mgs 8/4/16 6.8mgs, 11/1/16 6.4mgs, 2/5/17 6 mgs 4/3/17 5.6mgs, 4/24/17 5.2mg, 6/13/17 4.8mgs, 9/20/17 4.4mgS, 11/23/17 4 mgs, 1/1/18 3.6 mgs, 2/15/18 3.2 mgs. 4/13/18 2.8mgs, 5/11/18 2.4mgs, 6/10/18 2.0 mgs, 8/4/18 1.6mgs, 9/27/18 1.2mgs, 12/24/18 0.8mg, 3/24/19 0.64 mg,(syringe change issue date?) 4/22/19 0.60 mg, 5/24/19 0.60 mg, 7/7/19 0.52 mgs, 8/4/19 0.44mgs, 11/4/19 0.36mgs, 2/1/20 0.28mgs, 3/1/20 0.24mgs (crash April 6) Compound started 6/28/21: 0.24mgs, 8/29/21: 0.22mgs, 10/31/21: 0.20mgs, 1/03/22: 0.18mgs, 3/5/22: 0.16mgs, 5/5/22: 0.14mgs. Original Wellbutrin Dose: 6 months from 9/14 to 3/2015, 300 XL 3/15/15: Half to 150 XL ( severe symptoms started on day 12) 4/16/15: 125mg for 20 days to: 5/6/15: 100mg for 15 days to: 5/21/15 75mg for 10 days to: 6/1/15: 56.25mg 13 days to: 6/13/15: 37.25mg 7 days to: 6/20/15 28.12mg 14 days to: 7/4/15 18.75mg, 7 days to: 7/11/15; RAISE BACK TO: 28.12 to 8/14/15: 18.75mg 20 days to :9/3/15 : 12.5mg, 8/4/16 9mg 1/9/17: 8.5mg 2/8/17 8mg, 3/9/17: 7.6 4/9/17 7.2 5/27/17 6.4 6/24/17 5.8, 8/1/17 5.0, 8/29/17 4.2mgs, 10/2/17 3.5mgs, 12/28/17 2.5mgs, 2/27/18 1.7mgs, 4/19/18 0.8 mgs, LAST DOSE: 6/11/18: 3 YEARS, 2 MONTHS, 27 DAYS... Link to comment
Snorky Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 Hi R Hope you’re stabilising at least a bit. I’m curious, as was also on Effexor (10 years 150 mg). I haven’t seen you mention head tremors, is that right? I followed Effexor with one year of amitriptyline before Ct, and I have s feeling this worsening symptom I have is more linked to the latter. Definitely type of Parkinsonism. God bless. Cymbalta 2007 Lyrica 2010 Venlafaxine 2010-2018 Amitriptyline October 2018-2019. (25, 50, 75, 100, 75, 50, 25) CT 10 Sept 2019 Reinstate amitriptyline 5 mg 29 Oct 2019 Reinstate amitriptyline 2.5mg 19 Nov 2019 CT 24 Nov 2019 Vitamin D 16 Dec and Promethazine 25mg 16 Dec (one month only) Link to comment
Rozon1 Posted March 12, 2020 Author Share Posted March 12, 2020 @Snorky no, I'm not dealing with head tremors of any type. How has your reinstatement went? I'm trying not to reinstate at the moment. Mentally, I feel more clearer. However, physically, I feel almost worse than I ever have. Should I be thankful some symptoms have gone? Yes. But others remain and it's not easy to deal with. Example: 2018 - Started Effexor 37.5 in Janurary of 2018 2019 January, 2nd - Cold Turkeyed from Effexor for 3 days. Reinstated on the third day, then stabilized(It took 3 months to stabilize) 2019 June - I switched from Effexor instant release to Extended Release 37.5 for better tapering. I tapered to 50% in 4 weeks before reinstating my dosage back to 37.5(due to withdrawls). I waited 2 months to stabilize but never did at 37.5 2019 September - continued to taper in to 25% on extended release 2019 October - continued to taper to half of the beads(18.75mg)... WIthdrawls were so bad I tried switching back to the instant release at the same dosage(18.75mg) 2019 November 28th - Discontinued effexor at 18.75 without anymore tapering. 2020 January - Just can't sleep, have constipation, low libido and still lack of full emotion Link to comment
Snorky Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, Rozon1 said: @Snorky no, I'm not dealing with head tremors of any type. How has your reinstatement went? I'm trying not to reinstate at the moment. Mentally, I feel more clearer. However, physically, I feel almost worse than I ever have. Should I be thankful some symptoms have gone? Yes. But others remain and it's not easy to deal with. Hi R Haven’t reinstated. Been CT since Sept 19. Had all sorts of sh##te, neurological and psychological. This week, unbearable anxiety, mental tension and Parkinsonism tremors while trying to work. Cymbalta 2007 Lyrica 2010 Venlafaxine 2010-2018 Amitriptyline October 2018-2019. (25, 50, 75, 100, 75, 50, 25) CT 10 Sept 2019 Reinstate amitriptyline 5 mg 29 Oct 2019 Reinstate amitriptyline 2.5mg 19 Nov 2019 CT 24 Nov 2019 Vitamin D 16 Dec and Promethazine 25mg 16 Dec (one month only) Link to comment
Rozon1 Posted March 12, 2020 Author Share Posted March 12, 2020 What did you ct in September? It says your ctd the Amitriptyline in November. Not seeing anything else in your drug history. When you reinstated your Amitriptyline I’m guessing it didn’t help? That’s why you went off of it again? also, @Colonial my anxiety now stems from the way my body feels. Like I’m self aware that I’m not supposed to feel this way so I constantly worry about it. Example: 2018 - Started Effexor 37.5 in Janurary of 2018 2019 January, 2nd - Cold Turkeyed from Effexor for 3 days. Reinstated on the third day, then stabilized(It took 3 months to stabilize) 2019 June - I switched from Effexor instant release to Extended Release 37.5 for better tapering. I tapered to 50% in 4 weeks before reinstating my dosage back to 37.5(due to withdrawls). I waited 2 months to stabilize but never did at 37.5 2019 September - continued to taper in to 25% on extended release 2019 October - continued to taper to half of the beads(18.75mg)... WIthdrawls were so bad I tried switching back to the instant release at the same dosage(18.75mg) 2019 November 28th - Discontinued effexor at 18.75 without anymore tapering. 2020 January - Just can't sleep, have constipation, low libido and still lack of full emotion Link to comment
Rozon1 Posted March 13, 2020 Author Share Posted March 13, 2020 Hey @Snorky that post above was for you. Has dry cough ever been a symptom you’ve seen @Altostrata. I just ask you because you’ve seen much more than I have Example: 2018 - Started Effexor 37.5 in Janurary of 2018 2019 January, 2nd - Cold Turkeyed from Effexor for 3 days. Reinstated on the third day, then stabilized(It took 3 months to stabilize) 2019 June - I switched from Effexor instant release to Extended Release 37.5 for better tapering. I tapered to 50% in 4 weeks before reinstating my dosage back to 37.5(due to withdrawls). I waited 2 months to stabilize but never did at 37.5 2019 September - continued to taper in to 25% on extended release 2019 October - continued to taper to half of the beads(18.75mg)... WIthdrawls were so bad I tried switching back to the instant release at the same dosage(18.75mg) 2019 November 28th - Discontinued effexor at 18.75 without anymore tapering. 2020 January - Just can't sleep, have constipation, low libido and still lack of full emotion Link to comment
Colonial Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 4 hours ago, Rozon1 said: Mentally, I feel more clearer. However, physically, I feel almost worse than I ever have. That's the more important. At least Your not accidentally driving off the road to your death in a petit mal seizure or... Going to bed with the oven on and burning the place down... When I look back now on how lucky I was to make it out of some of the near misses I was in, It makes the physical symptoms I still have more bearable. I guess because I'm GRATEFUL that I made it out of the worst of the WD alive, when so many others didn't... It's still rough, no doubt but... The physical ones do seem to last a bit longer, but they'll start to improve too. Starting ds 2 (12.5 CR'S) = 25 MG PAXIL CR 1/21/15: 1 Pill + 10mg liquid (2 weeks) 2/4: 1 Pill + 9mg Lq (3 weeks) 2/25: 1 Pill + 8 mg lq (1 week) 3/4: 1 Pill + 6 mg lq (2 weeks) 3/18/15 1 Pill + 4 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/1/15 1 Pill + 3 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/14/15 1 Pill + 2 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/29/15 1Pill + 1 mg lq (16 days) 5/15/15 1 12.5 mg Pill ONLY (9 days) 5/24/15 12 mgs liquid (8 days) 6/1/15 11mg lq (12 days) 6/13/15 10 mg. 12/3/15 Drop from 8mg to 7.6 (24 days to) 12/27/15 7.2mgs 8/4/16 6.8mgs, 11/1/16 6.4mgs, 2/5/17 6 mgs 4/3/17 5.6mgs, 4/24/17 5.2mg, 6/13/17 4.8mgs, 9/20/17 4.4mgS, 11/23/17 4 mgs, 1/1/18 3.6 mgs, 2/15/18 3.2 mgs. 4/13/18 2.8mgs, 5/11/18 2.4mgs, 6/10/18 2.0 mgs, 8/4/18 1.6mgs, 9/27/18 1.2mgs, 12/24/18 0.8mg, 3/24/19 0.64 mg,(syringe change issue date?) 4/22/19 0.60 mg, 5/24/19 0.60 mg, 7/7/19 0.52 mgs, 8/4/19 0.44mgs, 11/4/19 0.36mgs, 2/1/20 0.28mgs, 3/1/20 0.24mgs (crash April 6) Compound started 6/28/21: 0.24mgs, 8/29/21: 0.22mgs, 10/31/21: 0.20mgs, 1/03/22: 0.18mgs, 3/5/22: 0.16mgs, 5/5/22: 0.14mgs. Original Wellbutrin Dose: 6 months from 9/14 to 3/2015, 300 XL 3/15/15: Half to 150 XL ( severe symptoms started on day 12) 4/16/15: 125mg for 20 days to: 5/6/15: 100mg for 15 days to: 5/21/15 75mg for 10 days to: 6/1/15: 56.25mg 13 days to: 6/13/15: 37.25mg 7 days to: 6/20/15 28.12mg 14 days to: 7/4/15 18.75mg, 7 days to: 7/11/15; RAISE BACK TO: 28.12 to 8/14/15: 18.75mg 20 days to :9/3/15 : 12.5mg, 8/4/16 9mg 1/9/17: 8.5mg 2/8/17 8mg, 3/9/17: 7.6 4/9/17 7.2 5/27/17 6.4 6/24/17 5.8, 8/1/17 5.0, 8/29/17 4.2mgs, 10/2/17 3.5mgs, 12/28/17 2.5mgs, 2/27/18 1.7mgs, 4/19/18 0.8 mgs, LAST DOSE: 6/11/18: 3 YEARS, 2 MONTHS, 27 DAYS... Link to comment
Colonial Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 3 hours ago, Rozon1 said: What did you ct in September? It says your ctd the Amitriptyline in November. Not seeing anything else in your drug history. @SnorkyIt is a little hard to understand. the drug that you ct should be on the same line as the date you CT'd. Looking at it, something seems to be missing. Starting ds 2 (12.5 CR'S) = 25 MG PAXIL CR 1/21/15: 1 Pill + 10mg liquid (2 weeks) 2/4: 1 Pill + 9mg Lq (3 weeks) 2/25: 1 Pill + 8 mg lq (1 week) 3/4: 1 Pill + 6 mg lq (2 weeks) 3/18/15 1 Pill + 4 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/1/15 1 Pill + 3 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/14/15 1 Pill + 2 mg lq (2 weeks) 4/29/15 1Pill + 1 mg lq (16 days) 5/15/15 1 12.5 mg Pill ONLY (9 days) 5/24/15 12 mgs liquid (8 days) 6/1/15 11mg lq (12 days) 6/13/15 10 mg. 12/3/15 Drop from 8mg to 7.6 (24 days to) 12/27/15 7.2mgs 8/4/16 6.8mgs, 11/1/16 6.4mgs, 2/5/17 6 mgs 4/3/17 5.6mgs, 4/24/17 5.2mg, 6/13/17 4.8mgs, 9/20/17 4.4mgS, 11/23/17 4 mgs, 1/1/18 3.6 mgs, 2/15/18 3.2 mgs. 4/13/18 2.8mgs, 5/11/18 2.4mgs, 6/10/18 2.0 mgs, 8/4/18 1.6mgs, 9/27/18 1.2mgs, 12/24/18 0.8mg, 3/24/19 0.64 mg,(syringe change issue date?) 4/22/19 0.60 mg, 5/24/19 0.60 mg, 7/7/19 0.52 mgs, 8/4/19 0.44mgs, 11/4/19 0.36mgs, 2/1/20 0.28mgs, 3/1/20 0.24mgs (crash April 6) Compound started 6/28/21: 0.24mgs, 8/29/21: 0.22mgs, 10/31/21: 0.20mgs, 1/03/22: 0.18mgs, 3/5/22: 0.16mgs, 5/5/22: 0.14mgs. Original Wellbutrin Dose: 6 months from 9/14 to 3/2015, 300 XL 3/15/15: Half to 150 XL ( severe symptoms started on day 12) 4/16/15: 125mg for 20 days to: 5/6/15: 100mg for 15 days to: 5/21/15 75mg for 10 days to: 6/1/15: 56.25mg 13 days to: 6/13/15: 37.25mg 7 days to: 6/20/15 28.12mg 14 days to: 7/4/15 18.75mg, 7 days to: 7/11/15; RAISE BACK TO: 28.12 to 8/14/15: 18.75mg 20 days to :9/3/15 : 12.5mg, 8/4/16 9mg 1/9/17: 8.5mg 2/8/17 8mg, 3/9/17: 7.6 4/9/17 7.2 5/27/17 6.4 6/24/17 5.8, 8/1/17 5.0, 8/29/17 4.2mgs, 10/2/17 3.5mgs, 12/28/17 2.5mgs, 2/27/18 1.7mgs, 4/19/18 0.8 mgs, LAST DOSE: 6/11/18: 3 YEARS, 2 MONTHS, 27 DAYS... Link to comment
Rosetta Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 My heart rate was high like that. It was very worrisome. Eventually, it went back to normal. https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/16629-rosetta-ct-may-2011-too-fast-taper-feb-2017/?page=25 2001-2011 Celexa 10 mg raised to 40 mg then 60 mg over this time period May 2011 OB Doctor's Cold switch Celexa 60 mg to 10 mg Zoloft sertraline (baby born) 2012-2016 - Doctors raised dose of Zoloft up to 150 mg 2016 - Xanax prescribed - as needed - 0.5 mg about every 3 days (bad reaction) 2016 - Stopped Xanax Late 2016- Began (too fast) taper of Zoloft Early 2017 - Trazodone prescribed for bedtime (doseage unknown) Feb 2017 - Completed taper/stopped Trazodone Drug free since Feb 2017 2017 - Unisom otc very rarely for sleep Link to comment
Rozon1 Posted March 13, 2020 Author Share Posted March 13, 2020 How long did it last for @Rosetta Example: 2018 - Started Effexor 37.5 in Janurary of 2018 2019 January, 2nd - Cold Turkeyed from Effexor for 3 days. Reinstated on the third day, then stabilized(It took 3 months to stabilize) 2019 June - I switched from Effexor instant release to Extended Release 37.5 for better tapering. I tapered to 50% in 4 weeks before reinstating my dosage back to 37.5(due to withdrawls). I waited 2 months to stabilize but never did at 37.5 2019 September - continued to taper in to 25% on extended release 2019 October - continued to taper to half of the beads(18.75mg)... WIthdrawls were so bad I tried switching back to the instant release at the same dosage(18.75mg) 2019 November 28th - Discontinued effexor at 18.75 without anymore tapering. 2020 January - Just can't sleep, have constipation, low libido and still lack of full emotion Link to comment
Snorky Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 9 hours ago, Rozon1 said: What did you ct in September? It says your ctd the Amitriptyline in November. Not seeing anything else in your drug history. When you reinstated your Amitriptyline I’m guessing it didn’t help? That’s why you went off of it again? also, @Colonial my anxiety now stems from the way my body feels. Like I’m self aware that I’m not supposed to feel this way so I constantly worry about it. I do apologise. I stopped 25 mg amitriptyline in Sept. I tried reinstatement of 5, then 2.5mg in Nov, but stopped the 2.5mg after a week. Been on CT since then. Cymbalta 2007 Lyrica 2010 Venlafaxine 2010-2018 Amitriptyline October 2018-2019. (25, 50, 75, 100, 75, 50, 25) CT 10 Sept 2019 Reinstate amitriptyline 5 mg 29 Oct 2019 Reinstate amitriptyline 2.5mg 19 Nov 2019 CT 24 Nov 2019 Vitamin D 16 Dec and Promethazine 25mg 16 Dec (one month only) Link to comment
Rozon1 Posted March 13, 2020 Author Share Posted March 13, 2020 Hey @Altostrata the heart palpitations have def gotten worse over the weeks and this cough is a violent cough where it makes me want to throw up. It’s a dry cough. What happens when you have new symptoms such as this . i understand people have been through similar experiences but I can’t help but wonder how the hell they didn’t reinstate? I don’t get it. I truly feel like I’m a worst case scenario but I might not be. Example: 2018 - Started Effexor 37.5 in Janurary of 2018 2019 January, 2nd - Cold Turkeyed from Effexor for 3 days. Reinstated on the third day, then stabilized(It took 3 months to stabilize) 2019 June - I switched from Effexor instant release to Extended Release 37.5 for better tapering. I tapered to 50% in 4 weeks before reinstating my dosage back to 37.5(due to withdrawls). I waited 2 months to stabilize but never did at 37.5 2019 September - continued to taper in to 25% on extended release 2019 October - continued to taper to half of the beads(18.75mg)... WIthdrawls were so bad I tried switching back to the instant release at the same dosage(18.75mg) 2019 November 28th - Discontinued effexor at 18.75 without anymore tapering. 2020 January - Just can't sleep, have constipation, low libido and still lack of full emotion Link to comment
Mentor mstimc Posted March 13, 2020 Mentor Share Posted March 13, 2020 17 minutes ago, Rozon1 said: i understand people have been through similar experiences but I can’t help but wonder how the hell they didn’t reinstate? I don’t get it. I truly feel like I’m a worst case scenario but I might not be. To me, it was "pay me now or pay me later." I did reinstate twice because I botched the taper, but on the third try I stuck it through, even when I spent day after day thinking I was dying or waiting for a disaster at work. I knew the drugs weren't helping me with my long-term issues and sooner or later I'd have to deal with withdrawal effects. It was hell for several months and the symptoms shifted constantly, but looking back it was the right thing to do, at least for me. Improvements came very slowly at first, but it got easier as time healed my nervous system. Tim C Started Paxil for GAD in 1999 Unsuccessful taper attempt in 2006 Paxilprogress helped with a successful taper completed in 2009 Using therapy and CBT to manage my anxiety Link to comment
Rozon1 Posted March 13, 2020 Author Share Posted March 13, 2020 How long after you left the drug did you reinstate? I’m three months out now @mstimc how do you feel ? Example: 2018 - Started Effexor 37.5 in Janurary of 2018 2019 January, 2nd - Cold Turkeyed from Effexor for 3 days. Reinstated on the third day, then stabilized(It took 3 months to stabilize) 2019 June - I switched from Effexor instant release to Extended Release 37.5 for better tapering. I tapered to 50% in 4 weeks before reinstating my dosage back to 37.5(due to withdrawls). I waited 2 months to stabilize but never did at 37.5 2019 September - continued to taper in to 25% on extended release 2019 October - continued to taper to half of the beads(18.75mg)... WIthdrawls were so bad I tried switching back to the instant release at the same dosage(18.75mg) 2019 November 28th - Discontinued effexor at 18.75 without anymore tapering. 2020 January - Just can't sleep, have constipation, low libido and still lack of full emotion Link to comment
Mentor mstimc Posted March 13, 2020 Mentor Share Posted March 13, 2020 16 minutes ago, Rozon1 said: How long after you left the drug did you reinstate? I’m three months out now @mstimc how do you feel ? HI The first reinstatement started after only a month. I tapered too fast and wanted to go back to 100% so I could do it right. I was tolerating the symptoms ok but based on the advice of other WD vets, I didn't want to chance something worse. The second time I went about three or four months and the reinstated for two months before tapering again. The third and final time took me about two years to get to zero. The worst of my WD symptoms lasted a little more than a year and continued after I stopped. It was a gradual improvement backed up by therapy and CBT. Tim C Started Paxil for GAD in 1999 Unsuccessful taper attempt in 2006 Paxilprogress helped with a successful taper completed in 2009 Using therapy and CBT to manage my anxiety Link to comment
Rozon1 Posted March 13, 2020 Author Share Posted March 13, 2020 So @mstimc let me get Thai straight. You cold turkeyed three times and reinstated as late as 3-4 months? Did you reinstate back at full dose? Example: 2018 - Started Effexor 37.5 in Janurary of 2018 2019 January, 2nd - Cold Turkeyed from Effexor for 3 days. Reinstated on the third day, then stabilized(It took 3 months to stabilize) 2019 June - I switched from Effexor instant release to Extended Release 37.5 for better tapering. I tapered to 50% in 4 weeks before reinstating my dosage back to 37.5(due to withdrawls). I waited 2 months to stabilize but never did at 37.5 2019 September - continued to taper in to 25% on extended release 2019 October - continued to taper to half of the beads(18.75mg)... WIthdrawls were so bad I tried switching back to the instant release at the same dosage(18.75mg) 2019 November 28th - Discontinued effexor at 18.75 without anymore tapering. 2020 January - Just can't sleep, have constipation, low libido and still lack of full emotion Link to comment
Mentor mstimc Posted March 13, 2020 Mentor Share Posted March 13, 2020 Just now, Rozon1 said: So @mstimc let me get Thai straight. You cold turkeyed three times and reinstated as late as 3-4 months? Did you reinstate back at full dose? No, maybe I should have been more clear. I never did a cold turkey. The first time was based on my doctor's advice and was too fast. The second one was also a bit too fast for me. I can't recall at what exact dose I decided to reinstate but it wasn't terribly low-still at least half. I did return to 100%, stabilized, and started again. Tim C Started Paxil for GAD in 1999 Unsuccessful taper attempt in 2006 Paxilprogress helped with a successful taper completed in 2009 Using therapy and CBT to manage my anxiety Link to comment
Rozon1 Posted March 13, 2020 Author Share Posted March 13, 2020 Gotcha. So you never fully got off of it before you reinstated. @mstimc do you think if I reinstate now it’d be bad based off what you’ve seen? Or do you think I’ll eventually get better overtime? I’m 3 and a half months out btw from my last dose Example: 2018 - Started Effexor 37.5 in Janurary of 2018 2019 January, 2nd - Cold Turkeyed from Effexor for 3 days. Reinstated on the third day, then stabilized(It took 3 months to stabilize) 2019 June - I switched from Effexor instant release to Extended Release 37.5 for better tapering. I tapered to 50% in 4 weeks before reinstating my dosage back to 37.5(due to withdrawls). I waited 2 months to stabilize but never did at 37.5 2019 September - continued to taper in to 25% on extended release 2019 October - continued to taper to half of the beads(18.75mg)... WIthdrawls were so bad I tried switching back to the instant release at the same dosage(18.75mg) 2019 November 28th - Discontinued effexor at 18.75 without anymore tapering. 2020 January - Just can't sleep, have constipation, low libido and still lack of full emotion Link to comment
Mentor mstimc Posted March 13, 2020 Mentor Share Posted March 13, 2020 Just now, Rozon1 said: Gotcha. So you never fully got off of it? @mstimc do you think if I reinstate now it’d be bad based off what you’ve seen? Or do you think I’ll eventually get better overtime? Yes, I've been med-free since early 2009. Reinstating isn't something I can recommend or discourage. But yes, IMO you will get better given enough time , the correct coping tools, and the right mindset. Tim C Started Paxil for GAD in 1999 Unsuccessful taper attempt in 2006 Paxilprogress helped with a successful taper completed in 2009 Using therapy and CBT to manage my anxiety Link to comment
Rozon1 Posted March 13, 2020 Author Share Posted March 13, 2020 I understand but from you’ve seen does reinstatement even at a low dose see much improvement @mstimc? I’m asking from what you’ve seen. Not what you’d recommend. I understand Example: 2018 - Started Effexor 37.5 in Janurary of 2018 2019 January, 2nd - Cold Turkeyed from Effexor for 3 days. Reinstated on the third day, then stabilized(It took 3 months to stabilize) 2019 June - I switched from Effexor instant release to Extended Release 37.5 for better tapering. I tapered to 50% in 4 weeks before reinstating my dosage back to 37.5(due to withdrawls). I waited 2 months to stabilize but never did at 37.5 2019 September - continued to taper in to 25% on extended release 2019 October - continued to taper to half of the beads(18.75mg)... WIthdrawls were so bad I tried switching back to the instant release at the same dosage(18.75mg) 2019 November 28th - Discontinued effexor at 18.75 without anymore tapering. 2020 January - Just can't sleep, have constipation, low libido and still lack of full emotion Link to comment
Mentor mstimc Posted March 13, 2020 Mentor Share Posted March 13, 2020 At best, it made WD tolerable, certainly not "normal" or comfortable. It just doesn't make things worse. In a way, that provided the incentive for me to see it through the third time. I figured I would have to see it through sooner or later and chose sooner. Tim C Started Paxil for GAD in 1999 Unsuccessful taper attempt in 2006 Paxilprogress helped with a successful taper completed in 2009 Using therapy and CBT to manage my anxiety Link to comment
Rozon1 Posted March 13, 2020 Author Share Posted March 13, 2020 Hey, @Altostrata I know you said don’t tag you but I want to know something. Have you ever seen one reinstate so late out and symptoms completely go away or just made them more manageable? Also the cough has gotten worse . also thanks @mstimc Example: 2018 - Started Effexor 37.5 in Janurary of 2018 2019 January, 2nd - Cold Turkeyed from Effexor for 3 days. Reinstated on the third day, then stabilized(It took 3 months to stabilize) 2019 June - I switched from Effexor instant release to Extended Release 37.5 for better tapering. I tapered to 50% in 4 weeks before reinstating my dosage back to 37.5(due to withdrawls). I waited 2 months to stabilize but never did at 37.5 2019 September - continued to taper in to 25% on extended release 2019 October - continued to taper to half of the beads(18.75mg)... WIthdrawls were so bad I tried switching back to the instant release at the same dosage(18.75mg) 2019 November 28th - Discontinued effexor at 18.75 without anymore tapering. 2020 January - Just can't sleep, have constipation, low libido and still lack of full emotion Link to comment
Katy398 Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 On 3/9/2020 at 8:08 AM, Colonial said: You need to relax, and think out a well thought out plan of we're your going if your going to do this... In my opinion this is the very worst time in withdrawal. ‘ To reinstate or not’ I remember it so well. I was so scared actually really terrified because I was over the 3 month threshold as well. I knew no one else could make the decision for me. I decided to eventually spend one night weighing up all the pros and cons. I then said to myself I will sleep on it ( I use that term loosely!) then make the decision in the morning and .... this was the hardest bit .... stick to that decision. To help me decide I asked the question could I cope with getting worse for a while for long term gain. I knew reinstating could go three ways. 1) Nothing changes 2) Things improve in some ways 3)I experience an increased sensitivity to my CNS and symptoms are worse until mY CNS settles down. I was very frightened but making myself spend time weighing up everything, then sleep, then decision on waking, helped I think. Sticking with the decision was not easy in the early days I think I wobbled after a week then maybe after two weeks then the gaps between the wobbles got less. Each time I wobbled I told myself I’ll not think about reinstating again until this time next week when I’ll decide and by then I felt I could manage a bit longer. Now at 14.5 months out I really don’t get many reinstating wobbles at all I just carry on with this horrific condition trying to keep calm. At the time when I made my decision I think I knew in my heart of hearts that I personally would not be able to cope with getting worse even for a short while. I had reached my limit. That is why only you can make the decision because only you know how much you think you can cope with. Sticking with the decision was hard during the tough times but also it was a huge relief at time because it was one less thing to think about . I just focus on coping strategies. Razon I feel for you, I really do but once you make the decision, you can focus on something other than the reinstating dilemma. On 3/9/2020 at 7:49 AM, Altostrata said: Uncertainty is part of life. You need to make decisions that are best for you. This is so true and yet so very hard in WD I struggle to decide which tea is best for me!!! But you can do this, put all your energy into making that decision over the weekend. Try to sleep on it and make the decision on waking. Letting it move into your subconscious may help with this challenging task. Now I do need support often hourly sometimes but I am relieved I don’t have the reinstating dilemma and don’t need support with that. Take care, thinking of you K 2 Lexapro Fast Track/ Cold Turkey Last dose end Dec 2018 Tapered 1/2 a daily dose a week (20mg) for 14 weeks, last dose was a 20 mg pill!! 3.5 times slower than Psychiatrist recommended, I felt proud of myself!! Little did I know!!!!Got too scared to reinstate because I’d left it too long. On ADs for 20 years (Prozac approx 10 years/ Pristiq approx 3 years/ Citalipram approx 2 years/. Lexapro a approx 5 years/. Last two years 40mgs Lexapro day. Link to comment
Subzero42 Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 I’m dealing with Effexor reinstatement right now, I reinstated 7 months ago. Prepare yourself for a lot of suffering. 1 2017 Feb : Lexapro 10mg. 2017 May : Lexapro 20mg. 2017 Nov : CT Lexapro 2017 Dec : Reinstated Lexapro 20mg. 2018 Feb : Lexapro 20 + Effexor 75 May to December : Taper Lexapro 2019 Apr : Effexor 56mg 2019 May : Effexor 37,5mg 2019 Jun : Effexor 18,75mg 2019 Aug : Reinstated Effexor 37,5mg. 2020 Oct : Slowly updose Effexor Link to comment
Rozon1 Posted March 13, 2020 Author Share Posted March 13, 2020 @Katy398 thank you. You know how I feel then. The biggest problems I have are the physical symptoms that I’m afraid won’t ever go away. How do you feel now that you are drug free? How long did It take? hey @Subzero42 what were your symptoms before you reinstated? How do you feel now? Example: 2018 - Started Effexor 37.5 in Janurary of 2018 2019 January, 2nd - Cold Turkeyed from Effexor for 3 days. Reinstated on the third day, then stabilized(It took 3 months to stabilize) 2019 June - I switched from Effexor instant release to Extended Release 37.5 for better tapering. I tapered to 50% in 4 weeks before reinstating my dosage back to 37.5(due to withdrawls). I waited 2 months to stabilize but never did at 37.5 2019 September - continued to taper in to 25% on extended release 2019 October - continued to taper to half of the beads(18.75mg)... WIthdrawls were so bad I tried switching back to the instant release at the same dosage(18.75mg) 2019 November 28th - Discontinued effexor at 18.75 without anymore tapering. 2020 January - Just can't sleep, have constipation, low libido and still lack of full emotion Link to comment
Subzero42 Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 I reinstated because I had unbearable headaches, anxiety, nightmares, now i feel better but far from being recovered 2017 Feb : Lexapro 10mg. 2017 May : Lexapro 20mg. 2017 Nov : CT Lexapro 2017 Dec : Reinstated Lexapro 20mg. 2018 Feb : Lexapro 20 + Effexor 75 May to December : Taper Lexapro 2019 Apr : Effexor 56mg 2019 May : Effexor 37,5mg 2019 Jun : Effexor 18,75mg 2019 Aug : Reinstated Effexor 37,5mg. 2020 Oct : Slowly updose Effexor Link to comment
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