Estman: reducing Anafranil, withdrawal symptoms

[Altostrata]

Use search to answer you own questions, @Estman Nobody here has the time to give you a psychopharmacology lecture.

[Estman]

On 8/14/2022 at 2:04 PM, ChessieCat said:

 

Just like other psychiatric drugs, the suggested taper method is to reduce by no more than 10% of the current dose with a hold of at least 4 weeks to allow the brain to adapt to not getting as much of the drug.

 

It is also important to listen to your body/symptoms and to not make another reduction until you are stable.

 

Alto posted this yesterday:

 

 

From https://www.drugs.com/sfx/anafranil-side-effects.html

 

Common side effects of Anafranil include: constipation, dizziness, drowsiness, dyspepsia, ejaculatory disorder, fatigue, headache, insomnia, myoclonus, nausea, nervousness, paresthesia, tremor, urination disorder, visual disturbance, weight gain, anorexia, diaphoresis, and xerostomia. Other side effects include: anxiety, fever, hot flash, hypertonia, memory impairment, muscle twitching, non-puerperal lactation, orthostatic hypotension, pruritus, skin rash, sleep disorder, tachycardia, tinnitus, vomiting, flushing, and taste disorder. See below for a comprehensive list of adverse effects. (Go to above link).

I no longer take any food supplements, not even omega 3 capsules.(seems too activating)
Unfortunately, I am concerned about my low B12 levels
Therefore, I should eat more meat, but I can't
Yesterday I ate lamb stew for half of the evening and in the evening I had total insomnia and brain fog, in addition to a medium headache
I seem to be very sensitive to histamine rich foods.
I have been taking a weaker probiotic so far and it has kept my digestion going.
One nutritionist recommended a probiotic complex
This complex contains about 7 different strains and is supposed to reduce histamine
I haven't dared to try it, I think they are too strong
I tried 2 months ago. Can probiotics also have side effects?
How to choose the right one?
What do you think about taking the histamine-degrading enzyme DAO?
I wonder if eating histamine-rich meat can also cause insomnia?
I guess I'll have to try low dose B12 methylcobalamin again

[Estman]

On 8/12/2022 at 7:15 PM, Ariel said:

@Estman

 

 

Fatigue is a common WD symptom. 

SA site search for "fatigue":

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/search/?q=fatigue&quick=1&updated_after=any&sortby=relevancy&search_in=titles

 

Muscle fatigue, muscle weakness are also WD symptoms:

 

 

Do you ever read the success stories of people who have healed?

https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/forum/28-success-stories-recovery-from-psychiatric-drug-withdrawal/

 

Hi Ariel,

I changed my dose 8 days ago very little, only 2.5%
The first five days were more or less normal
The other day I was somehow more impulsive than usual
By the evening of the same day, I felt very tired
Such a feeling of burnout
Like working too much and overexerting yourself
At the same time, I did it more or less calmly and finished by lunchtime
I found out that the day before yesterday was also the day of the magnetic storm
Does it affect and can trigger a wave?
The weather then became very windy and cloudy, the air pressure has also dropped a little.
The last two nights have been a total nightmare.
Sleep is shallow and I wake up several times during the night
Sleep is confusing, painful and depressive
Today I worked easily for 3-4 hours, but my mood is very depressed.
I tried to sleep around noon, but I couldn't, I have a feeling of overtiredness and a fast heart rate at rest
The weather continues to be very windy and cloudy, maybe even a little thundery
What bothers me the most is the feeling that when I try to sleep, I can't because I'm too tired and my pulse is fast.
There is also moderate nausea
I've usually cut about 5% at a time
I hoped that if I reduced a bit this time, maybe it would be better
Unfortunately, there is another wave.
Could it be the weather?
Very little energy and it causes fear.

[ChessieCat]

I get irritable when we get windy weather; this has happened to me all my life.  Other members have mentioned that weather can affect them.

 

meteoropathy-weather-causing-issues

 

[Estman]

On 8/21/2022 at 8:38 PM, ChessieCat said:

I get irritable when we get windy weather; this has happened to me all my life.  Other members have mentioned that weather can affect them.

 

meteoropathy-weather-causing-issues

 

 

Yes,It has been raining and thundering for the last two days.
I have a constant headache and pain in the back of my neck
The humidity level is also very high, around 95-99%
At the same time, there is not much wind anymore.
Even the eyes hurt and the head is dizzy.
The pain reliever doesn't really relieve the pain.
It seems to be all about the weather
It starts for me one day before the weather changes.
I wonder if this kind of sensitivity will somehow decrease later when I stop taking clomipramine and I have recovered?
Does high humidity and thundery weather cause something like that for you too?
Or is only strong wind and storm disturbing

[ChessieCat]

13-ways-weather-affects-your-health-without-you-knowing

[Estman]

On 8/3/2022 at 10:49 AM, ChessieCat said:

We really don't know what has happened.  If it were me I would be trying hard not to worry about it, because you cannot change what has happened.

 

If  the herbal tea has caused you to be taking a slightly smaller dose of clomipramine there is now way to know how much difference there was.

 

I think it would be better to stop using that particular herbal tea and just hold on your current clomipramine dose until you are stable.

 

And remember that it might have nothing to do with the tea, it might just be from the kidney stone and everything your body has been trying to cope with recently.

 

I think you also started a probiotic as well???

Hi,

I reduced my dose by 4-5% 3 days ago
Before that I was on the same dose for 50 days and stable.
Now for 3 days there is great fatigue and at the same time the joints and body are painful.
There is great fatigue, knees, back, and hands are painful and weak.
There has been stress, but I haven't directly overworked myself
Sounds like fibromyalgia symptoms
Could fibromyalgia be due to a dose reduction?
I have been taking an anti-histamine probiotic for about a year now and the digestive problems are definitely less.

[Estman]

On 8/25/2022 at 1:55 AM, ChessieCat said:

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I don't know if the magnetic storm affects the brain?
Who can answer?
There was a magnetic storm for the last three days and it only ended today.
I tried to reduce with small micro doses this time
3 weeks ago I reduced 2% and 7 days ago I reduced 2.5%
Unfortunately, it doesn't work well for me
Unfortunately, the last 3 days have been very extreme fatigue-exhaustion
I can't work like I used to and I'm very worried.
There are also cortisol spikes and anxiety attacks.
It's like crazy stress and overexertion.
I don't know if it could be caused by changing the dose or by a magnetic storm instead?

[Estman]

On 8/25/2022 at 1:55 AM, ChessieCat said:

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Hi Chessie,

If the air pressure changes quickly, I often get a headache that is not relieved by painkillers.
The headache started last night and is still going.
In the evening, I took half a tablet of Solpadein (paracetamol, codeine and caffeine)
Had a very disturbed sleep at night
When I woke up at 4 o'clock and my head still hurt, I took half a tablet of ibuprofen.
At 8 o'clock in the morning I woke up with a disturbed sleep and anxiety.
There is general confusion and anxiety.
I wonder if painkillers increase anxiety?
It seems that they don't work either and just make you dizzy and confused.
Half a tablet was a small dose, but still.
Unfortunately, the headache still persists

[ChessieCat]

4 minutes ago, Estman said:

In the evening, I took half a tablet of Solpadein (paracetamol, codeine and caffeine)
Had a very disturbed sleep at night

 

Not surprising that you had a disturbed night of sleep.  It contains caffeine.

 

The staff of SA are not medical professionals and do not give general medical advise.  We are unpaid peers who are tapering/have tapered or have got off our drugs too quickly.

 

We each have to find what works for us.  If you find something does not help or makes things worse then you know not to us/do it again, or in this case, not take it in the afternoon or evening because the caffeine will probably affect your sleep.

 

 

[ChessieCat]

You might be able to find some suggestions for non drug treatments on the internet about headaches and weather.

[Estman]

3 minutes ago, ChessieCat said:

You might be able to find some suggestions for non drug treatments on the internet about headaches and weather.

Yes,I am looking for information, but most people do not weaning off psychiatric drugs like I do
For me, pain meds cause increased anxiety and confusion
In addition, depression is greater
I had a very busy and stressful week.
Meanwhile, the air pressure dropped and then quickly rose again by 25 notches
Two days ago it was high blood pressure 155/105
Yesterday, the blood pressure was normal, but I had a constant headache

[savinggrace]

Estman

 

Have you considered updating your signature? I am confused when you write about tapering but see no evidence of your taper rate in your signature. 
 

I have chronic pain…all the time…it never lets up. I am between a 5-10 on the pain scale all the time for many years. 
 

I gave up trying to treat the pain years ago. I don’t even take acetaminophen. I take nothing. I use heat, ice, movement, distraction etc. I had to accept that this pain was not going to be cured by any drug. The drugs all have untoward side effects that add to your discomfort. The drugs you just took are not benign. Caffeine can cause all kinds of physical and mental side effects. Many people do not (genetically) have the enzymes to metabolize caffeine properly. (Same as with other drugs)

 

People ask me if the weather affects my pain. I have not noticed but I find no reason to try and figure that out. I can’t control the air pressure. All I can control is the measures I take to make myself more comfortable. I stopped looking for the answers in a pill or supplement many years ago. 
 

Pay more attention to your diet, your activity level and try to control your stress. This stuff is (mostly) under your control. 
 

I think updating your signature would be helpful. Maybe trying to stabilize (withdrawal normal) and not making any cuts for a while is your best bet. Codeine is also hard to metabolize for many. It can be paradoxically stimulating. 

i feel like I keep telling you the same thing. Stop looking for the answer to your misery with pills. Stop taking your blood pressure. It just worries you. You can’t control the weather so ignore the barometric pressure. (I use ice packs on my had for headaches; that’s all)

 

I really do want to help you but it does seem like you ignore most of the advice you are given here. I am sorry if that hurts your feelings. It is not my intention. Shoot for homeostasis and practice a healthy life style and maybe things will settle down. I am miserable but I can’t imagine how much worse I would be if I had not started refusing any and all meds and supps more than ten years ago. I am still sick but my brain works and I can still function enough to not be in bed all the time. 
 

I sincerely mean to help and wish you well. I really do. 
 

Grace
 

 

 

 

[Estman]

On 9/24/2022 at 12:04 PM, ChessieCat said:

You might be able to find some suggestions for non drug treatments on the internet about headaches and weather.

 

Hi Chessie,

I started a wave 6 days ago, as usual: despair, anxiety, insomnia, depression, fast pulse, fluctuating blood pressure.
Seeming was generally fine so far.
Yesterday it seemed as if the depression was less and suddenly the wave passed.
Around noon, great weakness appeared again with indigestion and nausea
Last night there was vertigo and dizziness which was not there before, somehow related to digestion.
Severe nausea with restlessness persisted throughout the night and continues today
It is now 14 days since the last reduction was 4%
The weather has been cloudy and dark for the last two days, but today it is beautiful and sunny again.
Is digestion so dependent on the weather change or is nausea and digestive problems delayed?
Is it worth wasting money on expensive food intolerance tests?
I generally eat healthily and it doesn't seem to have much to do with food.

[ChessieCat]

12 hours ago, Estman said:

Is it worth wasting money on expensive food intolerance tests?
I generally eat healthily and it doesn't seem to have much to do with food.

 

Sorry but I do not have any experience in this area; I am not a medical professional or a weather expert.  I will not be discussing this again. 

 

All I can suggest is that you do your own detective work; I had to do this many years ago when I was experiencing a bad reaction to something.  Keeping a diary of not only food and drink, but activities, weather details, symptoms.  Remember that everyone is an individual who will experience and react differently.  Doing your own observations can sometimes find the cause or at least narrow down the possibilities and eliminate some things.

 

I found this information and thought this was interesting which might affect digestion.  Please note that I do not know that this is a fact, it is only something that I noticed and am wondering if it a possible cause:

 

https://weather.com/health/news/13-ways-weather-affects-your-health-without-you-knowing-20140613

 

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Any front is associated with low pressure, so during cold fronts, blood viscosity, or thickness, increases,

 

[Estman]

7 hours ago, ChessieCat said:

 

Sorry but I do not have any experience in this area; I am not a medical professional or a weather expert.  I will not be discussing this again. 

 

All I can suggest is that you do your own detective work; I had to do this many years ago when I was experiencing a bad reaction to something.  Keeping a diary of not only food and drink, but activities, weather details, symptoms.  Remember that everyone is an individual who will experience and react differently.  Doing your own observations can sometimes find the cause or at least narrow down the possibilities and eliminate some things.

 

I found this information and thought this was interesting which might affect digestion.  Please note that I do not know that this is a fact, it is only something that I noticed and am wondering if it a possible cause:

 

https://weather.com/health/news/13-ways-weather-affects-your-health-without-you-knowing-20140613

 

 

Exactly, thank you.
I come across brass and zinc processing in my work
I recently did a heavy metal test in Germany
It showed that lead and arsenic are above the norm
Could you get information from somewhere, from which level they can cause psychiatric symptoms?

[ChessieCat]

8 minutes ago, Estman said:

Could you get information from somewhere, from which level they can cause psychiatric symptoms?

 

You will need to do your own research about this, on SA and the internet and check with your doctor.  As I said I am not a medical professional.  The areas that I help with here at SA are related to psychiatric drugs due to my own experience and what I have learned on this site.

[Estman]

On 10/23/2022 at 9:42 AM, ChessieCat said:

 

You will need to do your own research about this, on SA and the internet and check with your doctor.  As I said I am not a medical professional.  The areas that I help with here at SA are related to psychiatric drugs due to my own experience and what I have learned on this site.

Is there any remedy that would relieve nausea or tension in the head?
I made another planned reduction (3-3.5%) 6 days ago
I thought I was stable before the reduction
Now, for the second day, there is a nasty irritation in the head behind the eyes and I feel like vomiting.
I tried to rest my eyes yesterday, I was in a dark room, but it didn't help.
Yesterday depression and despair were added, and there were obsessive thoughts-fear in the evening.
What bothers me the most is the constant feeling like I want to vomit.
It's not just anxiety, more like a physical irritation in the head.
I don't have any other diseases and I don't take any other medicines.
It happens to me even after being on the same dose for two months.
I hope you don't mind my question

[Estman]

On 10/23/2022 at 9:42 AM, ChessieCat said:

 

You will need to do your own research about this, on SA and the internet and check with your doctor.  As I said I am not a medical professional.  The areas that I help with here at SA are related to psychiatric drugs due to my own experience and what I have learned on this site.

I wrote because I don't know how to describe this symptom
On the second day, there was a headache behind the eyes
Now it is as if the head is between pliers and there is unbearable irritation.
It is located between the eyes and the nape of the neck.
I've thought about whether a painkiller would relieve this symptom, but so far it hasn't helped, because it's not just pain, but some kind of total physical irritation.
I haven't been able to find the right place in this forum to read about this symptom.

[ChessieCat]

Q:  Have you had a headache as a withdrawal symptom before?

 

When I made a reduction too soon right at the start of my taper I got a headache and ear pain.  I took a cold medicine thinking it was blocked ears and would help, but it didn't.  I did a tiny updose and about 4 hours later the headache and blocked ears cleared.

 

Please note that I am only telling you what happened to me.  I don't know if this will work for you.

 

If you do updose only increase by a tiny amount.  You haven't updated your drug signature with the reductions so I don't know how much your doses have been.

[Estman]

2 hours ago, ChessieCat said:

Q:  Have you had a headache as a withdrawal symptom before?

 

When I made a reduction too soon right at the start of my taper I got a headache and ear pain.  I took a cold medicine thinking it was blocked ears and would help, but it didn't.  I did a tiny updose and about 4 hours later the headache and blocked ears cleared.

 

Please note that I am only telling you what happened to me.  I don't know if this will work for you.

 

If you do updose only increase by a tiny amount.  You haven't updated your drug signature with the reductions so I don't know how much your doses have been.

I updated my signature.
I am currently on 8.6mg
Mostly I get headaches due to weather changes
If the air pressure drops or rises quickly, there is usually a headache the next day.
But there is also a headache as a withdrawal symptom
It is usually 2-4 days after reducing the dose, but not always at one strength
I changed my dose 6 days ago and had a moderate headache for 3-4 days but it was like eye pain.
I haven't had a headache for two days now, but there is extreme irritation and a nasty feeling of irritation in my head.
The vision is also more blurred than usual
This irritation in the head is somehow more related to one eye
At the moment, the head does not hurt, but then it is very dizzy and the eyes squint
This physical irritation in the head is very intense and itself causes agitation and nausea.
The mood has also been sharply depressed since 5 days and there is a lot of despair.
It's especially bad at night when you're not doing anything, you're lying in bed but you can't fall asleep.
Last night I had compulsions and suddenly I do something for myself
Suicidal thoughts. Absurd, because otherwise my life is fine, everything is fine at work and 6 days ago it was normal.
I always wonder how it is possible for such a small amount as a 3% cut to cause such chaos?
Maybe I can psychologically imagine that I will reduce and a wave will come.
But it can't be with such physical symptoms.
I've been reducing my head age for three years and it seems like it's going to be another 3-4 years, frustration.
I really regret that I once started taking anti-depressants, but it doesn't help me now.
It is said that the occupancy of receptors with clomipramine should still be around 75-80%?
I wonder if the occupancy of the receptors was, for example, 30%, would the waves be as heavy?
Some people in this forum write that they experience heavy waves 5 years after the last dose, strange, what can cause this?
I always try to reduce the same percentage and my cuts get smaller.
But I can't estimate how much I have to keep
If I have felt more or less normal for a while, I want to move on, but...
 

[ChessieCat]

During our tapering journey, there are many things which we need to make decisions about that only can be made by ourselves.

 

Observing and being your own detective, learn and investigate options and then try to make an informed decision based on the findings.

 

That's the best we can do.  There is no hard and fast rule in any of this (even different reductions can be different; some members have difficulty getting past a particular dose which is individual to them and their drug and many members find that as their dose gets lower they need to reduce less and/or hold longer) .  We are all individuals and there are variables in each person's situation so we cannot always go by what other people do.  We have to find what works for us.

[ChessieCat]

11 hours ago, Estman said:

If I have felt more or less normal for a while, I want to move on, but...

 

Sometimes it can be nice to not reduce if you are feeling good just to give yourself a rest/break from tapering and enjoying being more "normal" and enjoy life without the stress and worry of tapering.  This holiday from tapering can also help you to be more patient and give you more strength to do the rest of the taper carefully.

 

It is not a race (unless there is a very good reason to get off the drug quickly).

 

It is better to chip away at the dose and get their with minimal discomfort and live your life as normally as possible during that time.

[Estman]

On 11/3/2022 at 12:16 AM, ChessieCat said:

 

Sometimes it can be nice to not reduce if you are feeling good just to give yourself a rest/break from tapering and enjoying being more "normal" and enjoy life without the stress and worry of tapering.  This holiday from tapering can also help you to be more patient and give you more strength to do the rest of the taper carefully.

 

It is not a race (unless there is a very good reason to get off the drug quickly).

 

It is better to chip away at the dose and get their with minimal discomfort and live your life as normally as possible during that time.

Yes, it is individual.
But luckily this site is here with many people like you to support others
My last reduction was still too fast, I should have stayed on the same dose for two more weeks.
I felt relatively stable and reduced, but it was deceptive.
8 days ago I felt confident, now the last few days are complete chaos - there is constant despair, compulsions, fear and depression
As I wrote a few days ago, the wave first started as a throbbing pain in the eyes and head.
Then, for about two days, there was intense irritation in the eyes and head, but there was no direct pain.
Now there has been neither pain nor irritation, but there is general despair, fear and depression, I can't work
It rarely happens that I don't work at all because I work at home and I like what I do
I don't know if this clomipramine is such a drug or if other antidepressants are similar, but the most difficult symptom is obsessive thoughts.
Obsessive compulsive disorder and neuroses are treated with this antidepressant, perhaps because of it.
When a wave occurs, there are different compulsions and I can't even change my mind.
The thought gets stuck, and it's a negative thought.
Two days ago I had a total compulsion and it was caused by a feeling of irritation in my head, I couldn't think of anything else.
Then there was vague great depression and suicidal thoughts, I remembered that the neighbor had committed suicide years ago
Otherwise, my life is fine and I'm also a Christian, I never think about suicide, but then I got an insane fear of this thought
I felt like I couldn't control this thought and maybe I couldn't bear it all.
At the same time, there was a strong urge to vomit
There is also a constant desire to escape somewhere, even though it is not possible. Everything is in your head.
During a wave, I don't trust my thoughts.
It's just insane anxiety and agitation, I live only one minute at a time.
I looked at your signature and it encourages me
That you gave up Venlafaxine for 6 years.
Have you ever had waves as heavy as mine?
I have three years now.
It's a pity that I haven't managed to avoid a wave even once
They are not always as long and total as they are now.

[ChessieCat]

8 hours ago, Estman said:

but the most difficult symptom is obsessive thoughts.

 

Personally I think that the most difficult symptom is the one that we are currently trying to cope with.  So if the obsessive thoughts stopped and you got a different symptom, the new symptom would be the difficult symptom. 😉

[savinggrace]

"My last reduction was still too fast, I should have stayed on the same dose for two more weeks." 

 

If I were you Estman, I would throw out the calendar, and wait for a better day.   Then let yourself have a good long stretch of better days, while the accumulation of your cuts catches up. 

 

You need a break from tapering.  You have come a long way.  You may not have ever had windows because you never waited long enough to stabilize.

 

Just my opinion.

Grace

 

 

[Estman]

11 hours ago, savinggrace said:

"My last reduction was still too fast, I should have stayed on the same dose for two more weeks." 

 

If I were you Estman, I would throw out the calendar, and wait for a better day.   Then let yourself have a good long stretch of better days, while the accumulation of your cuts catches up. 

 

You need a break from tapering.  You have come a long way.  You may not have ever had windows because you never waited long enough to stabilize.

 

Just my opinion.

Grace

 

 

Hi Grace,
I think I have had windows and periods where I was relatively stable.
At the same time, it is always the case that even if I reduce the dose, little waves occur
They are perhaps a bit more tolerable then
If I reduce more than 3-4% in 30-40 days, the waves are immediately heavier.
The last two reductions were 20 days apart and totaled 6%
Although I felt relatively stable for a week, it was deceiving.
So when I reduced again, the two joined and a heavy wave
At the same time, I think that the waves and foreign symptoms will not end until I completely get rid of it
But there have been windows, only 10 days ago I felt good and thought that life is worth living in every way.
But everyone has their own path and experience

[Estman]

12 hours ago, ChessieCat said:

 

Personally I think that the most difficult symptom is the one that we are currently trying to cope with.  So if the obsessive thoughts stopped and you got a different symptom, the new symptom would be the difficult symptom. 😉

Yes, it's all relative.
It's strange how quickly the symptoms change.
What causes great pain today may be gone tomorrow and is another symptom.
I wonder if aroma oils would help?
Has anyone tried it?

[ChessieCat]

There is a topic about them.  Do a search in the Symptoms and Self Care forum for aromatherapy.

[Estman]

11 hours ago, savinggrace said:

"My last reduction was still too fast, I should have stayed on the same dose for two more weeks." 

 

If I were you Estman, I would throw out the calendar, and wait for a better day.   Then let yourself have a good long stretch of better days, while the accumulation of your cuts catches up. 

 

You need a break from tapering.  You have come a long way.  You may not have ever had windows because you never waited long enough to stabilize.

 

Just my opinion.

Grace

 

 

what dosages are you currently on?
I once tried diazepam with great anxiety and it seemed to me that even half a tablet caused withdrawal symptoms two days later?
 

[Estman]

9 minutes ago, ChessieCat said:

There is a topic about them.  Do a search in the Symptoms and Self Care forum for aromatherapy.

I found this topic, thanks!

[ChessieCat]

10 minutes ago, Estman said:

I once tried diazepam with great anxiety and it seemed to me that even half a tablet caused withdrawal symptoms two days later?

 

That's how benzos work.  And what happens is people end up taking it continuall so they don't get the withdrawal and then after about 2 weeks of continuous use it doesn't work as well and then the dose might be increased. 

[Estman]

13 minutes ago, ChessieCat said:

 

That's how benzos work.  And what happens is people end up taking it continuall so they don't get the withdrawal and then after about 2 weeks of continuous use it doesn't work as well and then the dose might be increased. 

Yes, but even one-time use, in my opinion, gives a negative effect.
Before, when I had a severe wave, I could not fall asleep at night and was also in great despair
If I couldn't fall asleep all night, I was afraid that I wouldn't be able to fall asleep the next night either
In addition, a sleepless night also increases anxiety
The next evening I took half a tablet of Diazepam.
I fell asleep a few hours later, but before that my pulse was very fast
It seems that Diazepam raises the heart rate, it was 80-90 beats half the night.
In the end, I couldn't take it anymore and took Metropolol, which calmed the pulse so that I could fall asleep.
The next day is usually more depression and in the evening a great irritation of the head and eyes.
About 2 days after taking diazepam, there is an extraordinary amount of tension and
it lasts about one day.
A day later usually passes.
In addition, there is profuse sweating and fear.
So it's bad even if you take it once, although it helps you fall asleep at night.
It seems that Diazepam leaves the body in a few days and that is why such a reaction.
I think it makes depression worse
I don't take them and I have been able to argue in this forum

[savinggrace]

You’re right Estman. Diazepam is bad and taking it intermittently is going to cause exactly what you describe as the half-life kicks in longer than other benzos. I do not wish to expand on why I am on diazepam still here, but if you read my thread you may glean some understanding (or judgment). I know how hard I try and what I am dealing with. 
 

my response to you was an attempt to help you and not to open up a discussion about my drug history/tapering. What Chessie said is true about benzo use; the difference with me is that I refused to updose, ever, and I remain in withdrawal all the time. My thread tells my story. I do not post to say “do what I do/did”. I post to try to prevent others from making the mistakes I made and have spent the last 20 years trying to rectify. 

I will not be posting to you again as it feels as though my attempts to share my perspective are not valid to you. A person can learn a lot from their mistakes. I try to help others not make them.  I suffer every day like you. I am trying hard but my physical health has deteriorated to the point that I can’t challenge my body to tapering anything but crumbs. Enough said. 
 

I wish you luck. It would serve you well to listen to the moderators here. 

Grace

 

[Estman]

23 hours ago, ChessieCat said:

 

That's how benzos work.  And what happens is people end up taking it continuall so they don't get the withdrawal and then after about 2 weeks of continuous use it doesn't work as well and then the dose might be increased. 

What is a CBD hemp oil supplement?
Is there a topic on the forum about this?
It is advertised as improving sleep and curing many ailments
Was supposed to be anti-depressant and anti-anxiety.
It's a cannabis product, isn't it?
If it affects neurotransmitters, then it is not suitable for withdrawal symptoms.
Cannabis is addictive and causes psychoses.
I hope you don't mind my question, it's just being promoted a lot

[ChessieCat]

1 minute ago, Estman said:

Is there a topic on the forum about this?

 

Yes.  Go to the Symptoms and Self Care forum and type CBD in the search bar.