LostInCanada Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 @Tapering2023 so sorry to hear nothing has changed. The problem began with lexapro and I still think the solution to undo the mess is with lexapro. That being said I know these drugs are not logical. Have you thought about doing a larger updose? Closer to dose before things went bad. I know Mark Horowitz suggested that. Just a suggestion. 4 hours ago, Tapering2023 said: detox center Do they understand protracted WD? I don't know how they can help. I thought about doing that as well when I was in the depths of SI. Reinstatement was what saved me. I am still a long way from healed with years of tapering ahead but I did alot of research into getting external help only to discover I would end up worse off. 20 yr+ Paroxetine/ Dec2018-May 2022 20 mg/ May 2022 30mg/2022.07.28-2022.08.24 30mg to 0mg/ August 24-29 2022 10mg Prozac/2022.11.28-2022.12.04- 5mg Paroxetine/Dec 5&6/22 10mg Paroxetine/ Dec 8&9/22 10mg Prozac/ 2022.12.07 to 2023.07.01 5mg Paroxetine TAPER 23.07.02-58mgpw/4.9mgai/ 23.07.21-4.8 mg/23.07.28-4.73 mg/23.08.04-4.65 mg/21.09.23-4.58 mg/27.10.23-4.56 mg/5.12.23-4.54 mg/2.1.24-4.52 mg/9.1.24-4.51 mg/17.1.24-4.49 mg/26.1.24-4.47 mg/6.2.24-4.46 mg/19.2.24-4.44mg /4.4.24-4.43mg/28.4.24-4.4mg/ 8am-probiotics/9am-paroxetine, 200mg mag bisglycinate/ 1000mg Vitamin D/noon-1000 mg algae oil (500mg DHA/10mg EPA/620mg Omega 3)/5pm-75 mg DGL/200mg calcium citrate/8pm-.25 mg melatonin "... your strength will be in keeping calm..."-Isaiah 30:15 I am not a medical professional just your peer. The suggestions I give are based on personal experience and/or the well documented experience of others. Link to comment
Vancouver1986 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 13 minutes ago, LostInCanada said: @Tapering2023 so sorry to hear nothing has changed. The problem began with lexapro and I still think the solution to undo the mess is with lexapro. That being said I know these drugs are not logical. Have you thought about doing a larger updose? Closer to dose before things went bad. I know Mark Horowitz suggested that. Just a suggestion. Do they understand protracted WD? I don't know how they can help. I thought about doing that as well when I was in the depths of SI. Reinstatement was what saved me. I am still a long way from healed with years of tapering ahead but I did alot of research into getting external help only to discover I would end up worse off. I've been thinking about this as well. Last summer, before I learned about liquid tapers on here recently, I researched local Detox facilities when I was having extreme emotional lability from the Seroquels (the summer heat messing around with the Psychiatric Medication cocktail I'm on, which includes mostly relaxants, which is why the anger was so bizarre). Even as a teenager, I'm normally extremely uneventful, and emotionally-regulated. Genetic (nature), no doubt, but besides living with ME\CFS symptoms from Pristiq since 2012 & withdrawals from switching meds back and forth when I was younger, I have had a good life where I was able to learn (nurture) emotional-regulation. Detox facilities can probably help you out with tapering if they have a bed avaliable, but it's still best to do it at home. & you'd probably have to go through the 'Psych Ward' instead of your walk-in clinic doctor referring you. I remember last summer being fed up of my limbic system getting so messed up on these meds with the summer heat and not being able to get off of the extremely tranquilizing I.R. Seroquel (didn't know about a liquid taper until a couple of months ago) that I started researching Detox and holding back tears at how I shouldn't have even been given the I.R. Seroquel & X.R. Seroquel to begin with & how my life has been turned upside down. My partner told me to stop and go look at some animals or something. lol! Give your Local Health Authority a google search. Current: #1: Before-bed: 50mg I.R. Seroquel (since July 2021 due to a horrific limbic system reaction to LoLoestrin.) #2: Before-bed: 50mg X.R. Seroquel (added in Nov 2022 at 3rd in-patient stay w/in 6 months because I was withdrawing so severely from a few unnecessary things at the same time) #3: 150mg Pristiq ($3/day. Raised during 1st Seroquel I.R. taper attempt (took off 1/4 of a pill because didn't know about liquid until I learned about it myself earlier this year) because nobody knew what to do. Didn't work. Had to go back up on Seroquel I.R. Recently learned by myself that they work on different Serotonins.) #4: 300mg AM + 300mg before-bed Gabapentin. During 2nd in-patient stay. Wanted to take just two doses of 100mg instead. But I was denied. #5: 50mg Lamictal (raised 2x within 1 week but went along with it because I was so unwell with withdrawal.) Past: Late 2021/2022: Abilify - anxiety. Lasted on it less than a week. Rexulti - suicidal ideation. Lasted on it less than a week. Latuda - at first, hypomanic. Soon thereafter: severe depressed, couldn't work/socialize, & wanted to drink. Sweat the bed the whole time. Horrific to come off of. Divalproex - 3 doses/day made me wonky/hypomanic. 4 doses/day made me anxious within days. Went back down to 3/day. Horrific to come off of. 2014-2017: Cipralex, Celexa, Zoloft, & the one that starts with an 'S': Anxiety, OCD, Intrusive thoughts, Diarhea (Zoloft), etc. Prozac: made me paranoid! Paxil: felt like I was on bath-salts! Cymbalta & Effexor: Irresponsibly Rx'ed too much. Flat (Cymbalta). High as a kite (Effexor). Appetite suppressed. Partial-insomnia. Sweat the bed. Almost numb body. Literally Constant Putrid Flatulence. Various Sexual side-effects. Wellbutrin: great energy, no pain, appetite suppressedn, felt like I had Autism within a few days of taking it. Had to stop. Asked for a way smaller dose, & he didn't get back to me. Pristiq since 2012 (besides when trying other Anti D's). Living with side-effects (ME/CFS, partial-insomnia sometimes, constant drippy-nose/snot to blow out.) Mid March 2024: attempt a 13th & final withdrawal from 50mg I.R. Seroquel (inconsistent constant myoclonus all over + inconsistent severe tranquilizing of my forearms, fingers, shins, & toes - since July 2021. Reduced greatly when 50mg X.R. had to be added in Nov 2022, but still disabling). But this time, I've learned by myself recently about a liquid taper. In-patient places + myself only tried a 1/4 pill reduction. It made me admit myself to the Hospital a few times. Nobody since July 2021 ever once mentioned a liquid. Shocking. Also recently learned more about Seroquel (H1 & D2) & Histamine action/tranquilizing. + A low-histamine diet. Link to comment
Tapering2023 Posted March 13 Author Share Posted March 13 I read a post about P5P, manganese, and niacin helping calm intrusive thoughts. Any experience and suggestions with how to start this? I’ve been in so much agony every minute with the thoughts that I have been trying anything except an antipsychotic I know this isn’t ideal for healing but I’m so desperate for relief. right now I am taking 10mg propalonol in the am, magnesium Threonate and glycinate, and dropped CBD and medical 1:1 CBD thc I tried for a week yesterday. Morning & Evening: 1250 EPA. 488 DHA. Magnesium glycinate 400mg magnesium 56mg Organic Turmeric root 450mg turmeric root extract 50mg black pepper fruit extract 3.3mg Evening: lexapro - melatonin IR/XR 1.5mg Folate 10mcg - vitamin b12 50mcg - adenosine monophosphate - 35 mg Lexapro (20mg in 2017, 6 year taper) 2023: January - .9ml February - .85ml March - .8ml April - .75ml May - .7ml June - .65ml July - 6ml (.825 on Gemini scale) severe withdrawal started. August - .672 mg Gemini scale September - .672 mg Gemini scale October - .672 mg Gemini scale November - .683 Gemini scale December - .683 Gemini scale 2024: January - .695 Gemini scale Link to comment
Vancouver1986 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 There are a few threads on this forum about avoiding all supplements and just sticking to foods to get nutrition, because supplements can make things worse. Take a look at the hypersensitivity kindling + nervous system sensitivity while in acute and protracted withdrawal threads. I see that P5P is Vitamin B6. While I don't eat animals, I see that potatoes are a high source of B6. It's also on the list of low-histamine foods, as histamine withdrawal happens during Psychiatric Medication withdrawal. Take a look at FeralCatman's thread on Seroquel withdrawal. I'm about to finally get off this god-forsaken tranquilizing & twitching Seroquel I.R., and their thread is incredibly informative, albeit a bit of a read. Histamines have been mentioned elsewhere on this forum & on beyondmeds.org as well. Current: #1: Before-bed: 50mg I.R. Seroquel (since July 2021 due to a horrific limbic system reaction to LoLoestrin.) #2: Before-bed: 50mg X.R. Seroquel (added in Nov 2022 at 3rd in-patient stay w/in 6 months because I was withdrawing so severely from a few unnecessary things at the same time) #3: 150mg Pristiq ($3/day. Raised during 1st Seroquel I.R. taper attempt (took off 1/4 of a pill because didn't know about liquid until I learned about it myself earlier this year) because nobody knew what to do. Didn't work. Had to go back up on Seroquel I.R. Recently learned by myself that they work on different Serotonins.) #4: 300mg AM + 300mg before-bed Gabapentin. During 2nd in-patient stay. Wanted to take just two doses of 100mg instead. But I was denied. #5: 50mg Lamictal (raised 2x within 1 week but went along with it because I was so unwell with withdrawal.) Past: Late 2021/2022: Abilify - anxiety. Lasted on it less than a week. Rexulti - suicidal ideation. Lasted on it less than a week. Latuda - at first, hypomanic. Soon thereafter: severe depressed, couldn't work/socialize, & wanted to drink. Sweat the bed the whole time. Horrific to come off of. Divalproex - 3 doses/day made me wonky/hypomanic. 4 doses/day made me anxious within days. Went back down to 3/day. Horrific to come off of. 2014-2017: Cipralex, Celexa, Zoloft, & the one that starts with an 'S': Anxiety, OCD, Intrusive thoughts, Diarhea (Zoloft), etc. Prozac: made me paranoid! Paxil: felt like I was on bath-salts! Cymbalta & Effexor: Irresponsibly Rx'ed too much. Flat (Cymbalta). High as a kite (Effexor). Appetite suppressed. Partial-insomnia. Sweat the bed. Almost numb body. Literally Constant Putrid Flatulence. Various Sexual side-effects. Wellbutrin: great energy, no pain, appetite suppressedn, felt like I had Autism within a few days of taking it. Had to stop. Asked for a way smaller dose, & he didn't get back to me. Pristiq since 2012 (besides when trying other Anti D's). Living with side-effects (ME/CFS, partial-insomnia sometimes, constant drippy-nose/snot to blow out.) Mid March 2024: attempt a 13th & final withdrawal from 50mg I.R. Seroquel (inconsistent constant myoclonus all over + inconsistent severe tranquilizing of my forearms, fingers, shins, & toes - since July 2021. Reduced greatly when 50mg X.R. had to be added in Nov 2022, but still disabling). But this time, I've learned by myself recently about a liquid taper. In-patient places + myself only tried a 1/4 pill reduction. It made me admit myself to the Hospital a few times. Nobody since July 2021 ever once mentioned a liquid. Shocking. Also recently learned more about Seroquel (H1 & D2) & Histamine action/tranquilizing. + A low-histamine diet. Link to comment
LostInCanada Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 @Tapering2023 wondering how you have been doing? 1 20 yr+ Paroxetine/ Dec2018-May 2022 20 mg/ May 2022 30mg/2022.07.28-2022.08.24 30mg to 0mg/ August 24-29 2022 10mg Prozac/2022.11.28-2022.12.04- 5mg Paroxetine/Dec 5&6/22 10mg Paroxetine/ Dec 8&9/22 10mg Prozac/ 2022.12.07 to 2023.07.01 5mg Paroxetine TAPER 23.07.02-58mgpw/4.9mgai/ 23.07.21-4.8 mg/23.07.28-4.73 mg/23.08.04-4.65 mg/21.09.23-4.58 mg/27.10.23-4.56 mg/5.12.23-4.54 mg/2.1.24-4.52 mg/9.1.24-4.51 mg/17.1.24-4.49 mg/26.1.24-4.47 mg/6.2.24-4.46 mg/19.2.24-4.44mg /4.4.24-4.43mg/28.4.24-4.4mg/ 8am-probiotics/9am-paroxetine, 200mg mag bisglycinate/ 1000mg Vitamin D/noon-1000 mg algae oil (500mg DHA/10mg EPA/620mg Omega 3)/5pm-75 mg DGL/200mg calcium citrate/8pm-.25 mg melatonin "... your strength will be in keeping calm..."-Isaiah 30:15 I am not a medical professional just your peer. The suggestions I give are based on personal experience and/or the well documented experience of others. Link to comment
LostInCanada Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 This is such a good read. https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/forums/topic/10914-what-is-happening-in-your-brain/#comment-199680 20 yr+ Paroxetine/ Dec2018-May 2022 20 mg/ May 2022 30mg/2022.07.28-2022.08.24 30mg to 0mg/ August 24-29 2022 10mg Prozac/2022.11.28-2022.12.04- 5mg Paroxetine/Dec 5&6/22 10mg Paroxetine/ Dec 8&9/22 10mg Prozac/ 2022.12.07 to 2023.07.01 5mg Paroxetine TAPER 23.07.02-58mgpw/4.9mgai/ 23.07.21-4.8 mg/23.07.28-4.73 mg/23.08.04-4.65 mg/21.09.23-4.58 mg/27.10.23-4.56 mg/5.12.23-4.54 mg/2.1.24-4.52 mg/9.1.24-4.51 mg/17.1.24-4.49 mg/26.1.24-4.47 mg/6.2.24-4.46 mg/19.2.24-4.44mg /4.4.24-4.43mg/28.4.24-4.4mg/ 8am-probiotics/9am-paroxetine, 200mg mag bisglycinate/ 1000mg Vitamin D/noon-1000 mg algae oil (500mg DHA/10mg EPA/620mg Omega 3)/5pm-75 mg DGL/200mg calcium citrate/8pm-.25 mg melatonin "... your strength will be in keeping calm..."-Isaiah 30:15 I am not a medical professional just your peer. The suggestions I give are based on personal experience and/or the well documented experience of others. Link to comment
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