Zeena Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 On 3/25/2019 at 10:37 PM, planifolia said: Hello. Anyone know any psychiatrist in Asia? Where in Asia Feb 2018 - April 2019 - On 25mg Paxil (12.5 mg in the morning and 12.5 mg at night) and clonezepam (0.25 mg at night as and when needed) In April had a break from both for 15 days due to surgery End of April - Sept 2019 - Was able to gradually stop both Paxil and Clonezepam Oct 2019 - Jan 2020 - Had the best days and was not taking any of the above two (started to take supplements as listed in the post) End of Jan 2020 - Severe anxiety kicked in and a really bad insomnia ( for the last two months have only been able to sleep for 2 hours continous, wake up night and start to walk around and vocalizations seem to be getting worse) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Emeritus Shep Posted April 27, 2020 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted April 27, 2020 10 hours ago, Victor3 said: Good news..... After years of research and money spent, I have found the natural cure for most of the diseases including chronic depression, anxiety, chronic stress, bipolar disorder, and other psychiatric disorders, heart disease, diabetes, obesity, some forms of cancer, auto-immune diseases, just to name a few. And this treatment will aid in our drug tapering process with minimum or no withdrawal symptoms. But this treatment requires significant diet and lifestyle changes which can be difficult. Two of my friends are already cured from severe anxiety drugs with no withdrawal symptoms. I am also not having any withdrawal symptoms. I can post here his email if anyone needs it. Victor, there are many people hawking all kinds of "cures" for psychiatric drug withdrawal and if they are speaking in the language of psychiatry's "chemical imbalance" and trying to fix neurotransmitters, they should be approached with caution. The concept of "depression, anxiety" etc. as a "psychiatric disorder" is code for psychiatry's chemical imbalance lie. From what we know after years of people posting their tapering experiences, the best outcomes happen because of a slow taper. Many of us do have to make significant dietary changes including not eating processed foods and giving up sugar, caffeine, alcohol, and for some sensitive members, restricting gluten and dairy. But there are no magical fixes to withdrawal that can replace a slow taper. Many people are on very careful diets but still suffering from withdrawal. You mention having spent a lot of money, so I just want to caution members against contacting anyone who might take advantage of their situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor3 Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 Hi Shep. This treatment is not just about dietary changes and it's not based on fixing any chemical imbalance. There is much more to it. And what I meant regarding money spent is that I spent a lot of money before on other kinds of treatment including prescription drugs, supplements, doctor visits and many more. But the current treatment I did cost me around 100 dollars only. And I am not suggesting anyone to stop the taper. Tapering is the perfect process. I am talking about the horrible withdrawal symptoms which can be avoided. Jan 2001, was prescribed split personality medications and psychotic meds for severe anxiety, change of behavior and stress and overthinking.( Was 16 years old). I was very very quiet, shy, serious person. Do not remember name of meds. 2005 to 2008 - on and off on same medications. Didn't use any meds for 2 years and had severe panic and psychosis.almost hospitalized. Went to new psychiatrist and gave Zoloft and Xanax for a month. Didn't work much. 2011 - was prescribed cymbalta (don't remember dose) .it changed my life. Felt like I was born again. Did good for about 4 years. Became less effective slowly. Tried to withdraw myself through amino acids. Worked for some months but then had serious psychosis and panic. Felt like dying and loss of complete control of mind and body.2016 - prescribed 20mg Lexapro and 1mg rexulti. I stopped rexulti after like 2 years 6 months on my own. It was successful. March 9 2020 - reduced dose to 17.5 mg. After 2 days, had severe withdrawal symptoms of headache, dry mouth, brain zaps, fever, body and muscle pain, lack of control and coordination, improper sleep. March 13 - went back to 20 mg. March 22 2020 - reduced dose to 10 mg Made significant diet and lifestyle changes. Became vegan, gluten free ( no processed or junk food). April 11, 2020 - dose reduced to 5 mg.having no withdrawal symptoms. May 4, 2020 - dose reduced to 2.5 mg. Started meditation daily. Having no withdrawal symptoms. Just a little disturbed sleep. May 11 - Having improved sleep, increased libido, feeling inner joy, happiness and calmness, increased energy levels, lost 10 lbs in 2 months, increased sense of humor. May 17 - having 2.5 mg dose on alternate days only. May 26 - having 1.25mg dose everyday.June 1, 2020 final dose of 1 mg Lexapro.May 1, 2021 - due to increasing work load and stress, started back on Lexapro 10mgMay 20, 2021 - back to 20mg Lexapro Jan 15 2022 - 18mg Feb 13 2022 - 16.2mg mar 14 - 14.5mg started cold pressed fish oil April 15 - 14.5mg May 14 13mg June 13 11.7mg July 14 10.5mg aug 12 9.5mg sep 12 8.5mg oct 12 7.65mg Nov 10 6.9mg Dec 9 6.2mg Jan 7 5.5mg Feb 5 4.8mg Mar 6 4.2mg Apr 4 3.6mg May 2 3.1mg June 1 2.6mg June 29 2.2mg July 27 1.9mg Aug 24 1.7mg Sept 22 1.5mg Oct 20 1.3mg Nov 17 2023 1.1mg Dec 14 1mg Jan 2024 10 .9mg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Emeritus Shep Posted April 27, 2020 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted April 27, 2020 Just now, Victor3 said: Hi Shep. This treatment is not just about dietary changes and it's not based on fixing any chemical imbalance. There is much more to it. And what I meant regarding money spent is that I spent a lot of money before on other kinds of treatment including prescription drugs, supplements, doctor visits and many more. But the current treatment I did cost me around 100 dollars only. And I am not suggesting anyone to stop the taper. Tapering is the perfect process. I am talking about the horrible withdrawal symptoms which can be avoided. Thank you for your explanation, Victor. But sending people to someone charging even just $100 is marketing, which is something not allowed here. Again, we are very leery of these kinds of claims and feel the need to protect our vulnerable members from any kind of exploitation, no matter how well meaning. And $100 is a lot to people already struggling financially even prior to the current economic situation due to the pandemic. Since you're posting in the Recommended Doctor section, it does come across as marketing. However, please feel free to post about what you're doing that you feel is helpful, either in your own Intro section or over in the Symptoms and self-care area in the various threads dealing with dietary changes and lifestyle improvements. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor3 Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 Ok. No problem Shep. Thank you for letting me know. I didn't know about this. I will put in my intro section. I wrote this because I have never felt so happy and stable that I am feeling now for the past 20 years. So wanted to help others too.... Jan 2001, was prescribed split personality medications and psychotic meds for severe anxiety, change of behavior and stress and overthinking.( Was 16 years old). I was very very quiet, shy, serious person. Do not remember name of meds. 2005 to 2008 - on and off on same medications. Didn't use any meds for 2 years and had severe panic and psychosis.almost hospitalized. Went to new psychiatrist and gave Zoloft and Xanax for a month. Didn't work much. 2011 - was prescribed cymbalta (don't remember dose) .it changed my life. Felt like I was born again. Did good for about 4 years. Became less effective slowly. Tried to withdraw myself through amino acids. Worked for some months but then had serious psychosis and panic. Felt like dying and loss of complete control of mind and body.2016 - prescribed 20mg Lexapro and 1mg rexulti. I stopped rexulti after like 2 years 6 months on my own. It was successful. March 9 2020 - reduced dose to 17.5 mg. After 2 days, had severe withdrawal symptoms of headache, dry mouth, brain zaps, fever, body and muscle pain, lack of control and coordination, improper sleep. March 13 - went back to 20 mg. March 22 2020 - reduced dose to 10 mg Made significant diet and lifestyle changes. Became vegan, gluten free ( no processed or junk food). April 11, 2020 - dose reduced to 5 mg.having no withdrawal symptoms. May 4, 2020 - dose reduced to 2.5 mg. Started meditation daily. Having no withdrawal symptoms. Just a little disturbed sleep. May 11 - Having improved sleep, increased libido, feeling inner joy, happiness and calmness, increased energy levels, lost 10 lbs in 2 months, increased sense of humor. May 17 - having 2.5 mg dose on alternate days only. May 26 - having 1.25mg dose everyday.June 1, 2020 final dose of 1 mg Lexapro.May 1, 2021 - due to increasing work load and stress, started back on Lexapro 10mgMay 20, 2021 - back to 20mg Lexapro Jan 15 2022 - 18mg Feb 13 2022 - 16.2mg mar 14 - 14.5mg started cold pressed fish oil April 15 - 14.5mg May 14 13mg June 13 11.7mg July 14 10.5mg aug 12 9.5mg sep 12 8.5mg oct 12 7.65mg Nov 10 6.9mg Dec 9 6.2mg Jan 7 5.5mg Feb 5 4.8mg Mar 6 4.2mg Apr 4 3.6mg May 2 3.1mg June 1 2.6mg June 29 2.2mg July 27 1.9mg Aug 24 1.7mg Sept 22 1.5mg Oct 20 1.3mg Nov 17 2023 1.1mg Dec 14 1mg Jan 2024 10 .9mg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Altostrata Posted April 27, 2020 Administrator Share Posted April 27, 2020 18 hours ago, Victor3 said: Admin note: See this post here. Good news..... After years of research and money spent, I have found the natural cure for most of the diseases including chronic depression, anxiety, chronic stress, bipolar disorder, and other psychiatric disorders, heart disease, diabetes, obesity, some forms of cancer, auto-immune diseases, just to name a few. And this treatment will aid in our drug tapering process with minimum or no withdrawal symptoms. But this treatment requires significant diet and lifestyle changes which can be difficult. Two of my friends are already cured from severe anxiety drugs with no withdrawal symptoms. I am also not having any withdrawal symptoms. I can post here his email if anyone needs it. Please note we do not recommend any naturopathic treatments for withdrawal, particularly ones that claim to cure multiple illnesses. Strongly advise each person to carefully evaluate their own situation and decide if, for example. a special diet might be helpful. You often can try this without paying for any kind of advisor. 1 This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapunzel2 Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 Im in desperate need of doctor who can do skype consultation and is knowledgeable about akathisia and adverse reaction. Im located in Estonia, Europe. Can anybody recommend anybody? Tried to contact yolande lucire but she is not answering emails or calls. in 2002- 0,5 tablet cipramil for half a year, ended it uneventfully. in 2006 - citalopram for half a year, ended in horrific state, ditched the drugs CT. 2007-2008 not feeling well but drug free. in 2008 prozac 20mg + quetiapine 25mg. 2009 tried to stop, ended up in hole after couple of months, started zoloft. 2009-2011 zoloft 50mg. went to 25mg in 2011 summer, it resulted in half a year horrible suffering. reinstated, changed drugs, nothing happened. by 2012 beginning suddenly felt great and CT meds. after 4 months came suddenly most horrible human suffering that's possible. was started on prozac and questiapine. started tapering slowly, GFCF diet and Hardy Nutritionals vitamins in 2013 summer. current medications: 1) fluoxetine and quetiapine since Aug 2012; 2) Daily Essential Nutrients by Hardy Nutritionals 7 capsules / since May 2013 + omega3; 3) Gluten-free-casein-free diet since june 2013 Started withdrawing slowly since april 2013. Mostly around 10% cuts. April'13 - March'14: fluoxetine 40mg -> 19,5mg; quetiapine 50mg -> 40mg April'14-March'15: fluoxetine 19,5mg -> 14,4mg; quetiapine 40mg -> 22mg April'15-March'16: fluoxetine 14,4mg -> 7,4mg; quetiapine 22mg -> 15mg April'16-March'17: fluoxetine 7,4mg -> 5,0mg; quetiapine 15mg -> 7,25mg April'17-March'18: fluoxetine 5,0mg -> 4,0mg; quetiapine 7,25mg -> 0 (as of 1st Feb 2018)!!!! April´18-March´19: fluoxetine 4,0mg - > 2,3mg. Jumped off fluoxetine 1,4mg due to pregnancy in July 2019. Oct 2019 severe withdrawal syndrome started. Took mistakenly a complex for hormonal support that included pregnenolone dec2019-april2020. Stopped it april 2020 and immediately severe akathisia started. Have had life threatening akathisia since, 100% disabled, suicidal, very hard to hold on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myrah Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 Any doctor recommendation in chennai, India who knows about withdrwal and provide guidance? Jan 2017 to Sept 2017 -Daxid. 100mg + Sizodon 1mg October 2017 to Dec 2017 -T.Serilift. 100 mg January 2018 to March2018- Trinicalm plus 5mg + Zisper plus April 2018 to May 2018- Trinicalm plus 5mg Aug 2018 to Nov 2018- Daxid 50mg + Sizodon 1mg Stopped CT in Nov 2018 May 2019 to December 2019 -300 mg gabapentin and 2.5 mg Trinicalm plus tablet-ContainsTrifluoperazine (2.5 mg) + Trihexyphenidyl (1mg) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Altostrata Posted June 17, 2020 Administrator Share Posted June 17, 2020 Please let us know if you find any knowledgeable doctors in Chennai, India. For those in Ireland, Dr. John Lalor, GP in South Kildare, claims to know how to taper. 1 This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katy398 Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 Hi folks, Victoria in Australia has a fantastic Government service. Medication Support and Recovery Service (MSRS) email. msrs.org.au Tel Central intake on 1800 931 101 or 9810 3080 You can self refer. and they offer counselling for prescription drug withdrawal. Most of their patients are dealing with Opioids and Benzodezapines withdrawal but antidepressant withdrawal fits the funding criteria as well. It's completely free and with Telehealth and telephone conferences anyone can access it. Please if you need counselling support, make use of this service, the more people who access it, the more likely government funding will continue. Best wishes everyone Lexapro Fast Track/ Cold Turkey Last dose end Dec 2018 Tapered 1/2 a daily dose a week (20mg) for 14 weeks, last dose was a 20 mg pill!! 3.5 times slower than Psychiatrist recommended, I felt proud of myself!! Little did I know!!!!Got too scared to reinstate because I’d left it too long. On ADs for 20 years (Prozac approx 10 years/ Pristiq approx 3 years/ Citalipram approx 2 years/. Lexapro a approx 5 years/. Last two years 40mgs Lexapro day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyj Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 (edited) tapering I am wondering if most of you used a dr?psychiatrist to help you with tapering? and if so does anyone know of a good one in Canada that I could call? Edited October 23, 2020 by ChessieCat added topic title 1963 Sept - Nov 1963 drug? 1980-Sept/2020 - Ativan 2 -3mg. 1981 -1990 drug ? 2002-2019 April/2019 - effexor 150mg April/2019-June/2019 - cymbalta 60mg june/2019 -july/2019 - zoloft 75mg july/2019-aug/2019 - effexor 125mg aug/2019-sept/2019 - cypralex 15mg sept/2019-may/2020 - cymbalta 30mg/abilify 4mg june/2020-july/2020 - wellbutrin 150mg may/2020 -aug/2020 - zoloft 75mg dec/2019 lamotragine 200mg -115 mg still taking sept/2020 Current drugs: 50 mg lamotrigine and 1 mg of Ativan in the morning, 1 mg of Ativan at noon, and 60 mg. lamotrigine and 1 mg Ativan at night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 I'd like to recommend psychiatrist Dr. Kendra Campbell, site is freerangepsych.org and I believe there are other doctors to work with as well. I watched the Medicating Normal documentary and she was on the panel discussion at the end. She seems to have a lot of experience in de-prescribing medications. 2017 Oct sertraline | Nov switched to escitalopram 10mg | 2018 Apr escitalopram fast taper (4-8 weeks) to zero/off 2018 Nov restarted escitalopram, increased to 20mg | 2020 Jan escitalopram fast taper (2-3 months) to zero/off 2020 Aug 27 restarted escitalopram 10mg tablet, came across SA.org 2021 Feb 27 complete switch to liquid 9.8mg | Mar 7 decreased to 9.5mg | Mar 14 decreased to 9.3mg | Mar 21 decreased to 9.0mg | Apr 11 decreased to 8.8mg | Apr 18 decreased to 8.6mg | May 9 decreased to 8.3mg | May 16 decreased to 8.1mg | Jun 6 increased to 9.0mg | July 18 decreased to 8.6mg | Aug 15 decreased to 8.2mg | Sept 19 decreased to 8.0mg | Oct 21 decreased to 7.6mg | Nov 18 decreased to 7.2mg | Dec 16 decreased to 6.9mg 2022 Feb 27 decreased to 6.8mg | Mar 31 decreased to 6.4mg | Jul 5 decreased to 6.1mg | Jul 23 decreased to 5.8mg | Aug 10 increased to 6.0mg | Nov 24 decreased to 5.4mg | Dec 31 decreased to 4.8mg 2023 Feb 1 decreased to 4.4mg | May 17 decreased to 4mg | Jul 6 decreased to 3.8mg | Jul 19 decreased to 3.6 | Aug 11 decreased to 3.2mg | Sept 9 decreased to 3.0mg | Sept 22 decreased to 2.7mg | Oct 24 increased to 2.775mg | Nov 12 decreased to 2.7mg | Dec 20 increased to 3.0mg I hold for longer periods of time when life gets stressful, usually work related. Supplements: currently none Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myrah Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 @purplecould you tell how she is helping patients to get off these drugs? I am looking for someone to help me and this info would greatly help me.. Jan 2017 to Sept 2017 -Daxid. 100mg + Sizodon 1mg October 2017 to Dec 2017 -T.Serilift. 100 mg January 2018 to March2018- Trinicalm plus 5mg + Zisper plus April 2018 to May 2018- Trinicalm plus 5mg Aug 2018 to Nov 2018- Daxid 50mg + Sizodon 1mg Stopped CT in Nov 2018 May 2019 to December 2019 -300 mg gabapentin and 2.5 mg Trinicalm plus tablet-ContainsTrifluoperazine (2.5 mg) + Trihexyphenidyl (1mg) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 @Myrah, I believe she uses a multifaceted approach that includes diet, exercise, mindfulness, yoga, etc. I believe her website has a ton of information. I have not worked with her as a patient but have been following her on social media and have confidence in her work. 2017 Oct sertraline | Nov switched to escitalopram 10mg | 2018 Apr escitalopram fast taper (4-8 weeks) to zero/off 2018 Nov restarted escitalopram, increased to 20mg | 2020 Jan escitalopram fast taper (2-3 months) to zero/off 2020 Aug 27 restarted escitalopram 10mg tablet, came across SA.org 2021 Feb 27 complete switch to liquid 9.8mg | Mar 7 decreased to 9.5mg | Mar 14 decreased to 9.3mg | Mar 21 decreased to 9.0mg | Apr 11 decreased to 8.8mg | Apr 18 decreased to 8.6mg | May 9 decreased to 8.3mg | May 16 decreased to 8.1mg | Jun 6 increased to 9.0mg | July 18 decreased to 8.6mg | Aug 15 decreased to 8.2mg | Sept 19 decreased to 8.0mg | Oct 21 decreased to 7.6mg | Nov 18 decreased to 7.2mg | Dec 16 decreased to 6.9mg 2022 Feb 27 decreased to 6.8mg | Mar 31 decreased to 6.4mg | Jul 5 decreased to 6.1mg | Jul 23 decreased to 5.8mg | Aug 10 increased to 6.0mg | Nov 24 decreased to 5.4mg | Dec 31 decreased to 4.8mg 2023 Feb 1 decreased to 4.4mg | May 17 decreased to 4mg | Jul 6 decreased to 3.8mg | Jul 19 decreased to 3.6 | Aug 11 decreased to 3.2mg | Sept 9 decreased to 3.0mg | Sept 22 decreased to 2.7mg | Oct 24 increased to 2.775mg | Nov 12 decreased to 2.7mg | Dec 20 increased to 3.0mg I hold for longer periods of time when life gets stressful, usually work related. Supplements: currently none Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator DataGuy Posted December 29, 2020 Moderator Share Posted December 29, 2020 Dr. Sam Lieblich, psychiatrist in Melbourne, Australia Remeron - 2004-2005 (bad withdrawal) Clonazepam - 2005-2018 (jumped around March) Olanzapine - 2014- late 2017 Domperidone - 2008-2018 Many drugs in between including Lexapro, other benzos and z-drugs. Still suffering post-withdrawal from Clonazepam (Klonopin), Olanzapine and Domperidone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
senseless Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 Just thought id give some feedback in regards to: Rob Purssey, MD, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia (will Skype in Brisbane) I'm not sure he should be on this list. Although he is aware of withdrawals and promotes non drug coping skills. He still seems very ignorant in regards to safe tapering. As he wanted me to cold turkey my 13.5mg of Seroquel and use temazepam to deal with withdrawals. 3 6.01.20 - 6.02.20: Seroquel/Quetiapine 25mg 7.02.20 - 13.02.20: Attempted CT ran into extreme rebound insomnia 13.02.20 - 04.07.20: Reinstated and holding Seroquel/Quetiapine 13.5mg, 1mg Circadin Began Tapering of Seroquel 04.07.20 - Quetiapine 13mg 12.07.20 - Quetiapine 12.5mg 20.07.20 - Quetiapine 12mg 28.07.20 - Quetiapine 11.5mg 02.08.20 - Quetiapine 11.mg 06.08.20 - Quetiapine 10.5mg 10.08.20 - Quetiapine 10mg 15.08.20 Quetiapine 9.5mg 18.08.20 Quetiapine 9mg 23.08.20 Quetiapine 8.5 27.08.20 Quetiapine 8mg 31.08.20 Quetiapine 7.75mg 02.09.20 Quetiapine 7.5mg 06.09.20 Quetiapine 7.25mg 08.09.20 Quetiapine 7mg 12.09.20 Quetiapine 6.75mg 14.09.20 Quetiapine 6.5mg 19.09.20 Quetiapine 6.25mg 21.09.20 Quetiapine 6mg 24.09.20 Quetiapine 5.75mg 01.10.20 Quetiapine 5.5mg 03.10.20 Quetiapine 5.25mg 05.10.2020 Quetiapine 5mg 09.10.2020 Quetiapine 4.75mg 12.10.2020 Quetiapine 4.5mg 14.10.2020 Quetiapine 4.25mg 17.10.2020 Quetiapine 4mg 21.10.2020 Quetiapine 3.75mg 24.10.2020 Quetiapine 3.5mg 1.11.2020 Quetiapine 3 mg 7.11.2020 Quetiapine 2.5 mgs 13.11.2020 Quetiapine 2 mg 16.11.2020 Quetiapine 1.5 mg 20.11.2020 Quetiapine 1.25mg 23.11.2020 Quetiapine 1mg 26.12.2020 Quetiapine 0.75mg 16.01.2020 Quetiapine 0.5mg 17.02.2020 Quetiapine 0.25mg 17.03.2021 Quetiapine 0.125mg 9.04.2021 Quetiapine 0!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Emeritus Shep Posted January 14, 2021 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted January 14, 2021 4 hours ago, senseless said: Just thought id give some feedback in regards to: Rob Purssey, MD, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia (will Skype in Brisbane) I'm not sure he should be on this list. Although he is aware of withdrawals and promotes non drug coping skills. He still seems very ignorant in regards to safe tapering. As he wanted me to cold turkey my 13.5mg of Seroquel and use temazepam to deal with withdrawals. Thanks for providing your experience, senseless. This is very important. I've added a note with a link to your post in that list on page 1 of this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator DataGuy Posted January 14, 2021 Moderator Share Posted January 14, 2021 Sorry to hear that, @senseless. Maybe you could try Dr. Sam Lieblich? Not sure what the situation is in Australia, but hopefully he would be available for Skype appointments too. Remeron - 2004-2005 (bad withdrawal) Clonazepam - 2005-2018 (jumped around March) Olanzapine - 2014- late 2017 Domperidone - 2008-2018 Many drugs in between including Lexapro, other benzos and z-drugs. Still suffering post-withdrawal from Clonazepam (Klonopin), Olanzapine and Domperidone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsydney Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 Does anyone have any recommendations for therapists that can work with someone going through a taper. I am looking for someone that can do it online. If you know of someone, I would greatly appreciate the information. Thank you. 1998-Started on Antidepressants; many different ones until Paxil finally seemed to help 1998-2010-Paxil uppd to max dose of 80 mg 2010-Klonopin 1 mg added 2012-Paxil switched to 100 mg Pristiq 2014-slow microtaper off Klonopin 2018 Klonopin taper complete Oct 2021-Inner/Mental Akathisia started. Got worse and worse. Dec 2021-Start Pristiq taper May 2021-Struggling with taper and symptoms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Emeritus manymoretodays Posted January 22, 2021 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted January 22, 2021 Hi dsydney, and moved your post here to the topic we have. Welcome, and hope you can find what you are looking for. Late 2023- gone to emeritus status, inactive, don't @ me, I can check who I've posted on, and I'm not really here like I used to be......thanks. Started with psycho meds/psychiatric care circa 1988. In retrospect, and on contemplation, situational overwhelm. Rounding up to 30 years of medications(30 medication trials, poly-pharmacy maximum was 3 at one time). 5/28/2015-off Adderal salts 2.5mg. (I had been on that since hospital 10/2014) 12/2015---just holding, holding, holding, with trileptal/oxcarb at 75 mg. 1/2 tab at hs. My last psycho med ever! Tapered @ 10% every 4 weeks, sometimes 2 weeks to 2016 Dec 16, medication free!! Longer signature post here, with current supplements. Herb and alcohol free since 5/15/2016. And.....I quit smoking 11/2021. Lapsed. Redo of quit smoking 9/28/2022. Can you say Hallelujah?(took me long enough)💜 None of my posts are intended as medical advice. Please discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical provider. My success story: Blue skies ahead, clear sailing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emily02 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 On 4/26/2020 at 7:52 PM, Lzieb said: Is anyone familiar with Peter Smith www.BalancingBrainChemistry.co.uk ? Thanks Hi Lzieb Did you eventually go with Peter Smith? I’ve heard about him as well. 2019 Nov-2020 January 5mg Olanzapine 2020 January-2020 March 2,5 mg Olanzapine 2020 March- 2020 August 5mg Olanzapine 2020 August-2020 Sept 2,5 mg Olanzapine 2020 September-2020 November 5mg Olanzapine started 10% reduction 2021 March 3,5 mg Olanzapine 2021 April 2,5 mg Olanzapine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator DataGuy Posted January 30, 2021 Moderator Share Posted January 30, 2021 Dr. Simon Breidert, PFS Research (PSSD is also an area of research interest), Berlin, Germany. Remeron - 2004-2005 (bad withdrawal) Clonazepam - 2005-2018 (jumped around March) Olanzapine - 2014- late 2017 Domperidone - 2008-2018 Many drugs in between including Lexapro, other benzos and z-drugs. Still suffering post-withdrawal from Clonazepam (Klonopin), Olanzapine and Domperidone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Altostrata Posted February 17, 2021 Administrator Share Posted February 17, 2021 Prescriber in Australia who at least has read about gradual hyperbolic tapering: Dr. Sanil Rege https://psychscenehub.com/psychinsights/diagnosis-and-management-of-antidepressant-withdrawal-the-hyperbolic-curve-and-ssri-withdrawal-2/ Sanil Rege Vita Healthcare 135 Mount Eliza Way, Mount Eliza, VIC 3930 (New South Wales) (03) 5972 2444 This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentor ShiningLight Posted February 19, 2021 Mentor Share Posted February 19, 2021 On 1/20/2021 at 11:30 AM, dsydney said: Does anyone have any recommendations for therapists that can work with someone going through a taper. I am looking for someone that can do it online. If you know of someone, I would greatly appreciate the information. Thank you. I don't recall how I came across this guy, but here is a FL therapist who speaks withdrawal. I don't know anything about him other than what is on his web site. https://www.chrispaigelcsw.com/services Now: 100 mg Zoloft am, 50 mg Trazodone. Daily drug burden decreased from 2050 in 2018 mg to 150 mg 🐢🐢 Zoloft: 1/24/23 increased to 100 mg after suicide attempt 9/17/22 cut 6 mg, 8/14/22 cut 6.5 mg, 5/7/22 cut 12.5 mg 3/20/22 cut 12.5 mg 10/26/21 cut 6 mg 10/17/21 cut 5 mg, 9/17/21 Cut 3 mg, 9/13/21 cut 4 mg, 8/29/21 Cut 2 mg 8/8/21 Cut 3 mg 7/30/21 Zoloft: Converted 25 mg to liquid. Also take 100 mg pill & 25 mg pill=150 mg total🌞 Feb 28, 2021 0 mg Gapapentin 2021 Gaba each dose 4x/day: Feb 27 7 mg (one dose only), Feb 10, 7 mg, Jan 14 10 mg 2020 Current taper schedule from Aug 30-present: drop 8 mg every 2-3 weeks. Aug 20 31 mg, Aug 18, 33 mg, July 29, 35 mg, July 23 38 mg, July 22 40 mg Jun 24 42 mg, Jun 15 44 mg, Jun 9 48 mg, May 22 50 mg, May 14 54 mg, May 7 56 mg, Apr 16 58 mg, Mar 28 60 mg, Mar 18 62 mg. Feb 26 64 mg. Feb 19, 66 mg. Jan 23, 70 mg. 2019 Dec 19, 72 mg. Nov 14 ,76 mg. Aug 8, 80 mg. Aug 6, 85 mg. Jul 26, 90 mg. Jul 11, 95 mg. Jul 16 trazodone from 100 to 50 mg. Jun 17-July 10 Slowly changed gab fr pill to liquid at same dose 100 mg 4x/d. Apr 24 Stopped klon!!! 🌞 Apr 4 Decreased gaba to 400 mg (100 mg 4x/day)-Apr 4, 2019 0.25 klon March 11 Klonopin .5 mg twice daily, varied dose til Apr 15. Started Klon fast taper 25%, short use Mar 16, 450 mg gaba 3x/day cut 600 mg--not exact!--updose after learning w/d Feb 20, 2019 1800 mg gabapentin; MD taper; off 3 days=mvt disorder & autonomic instability. July 2018 temazepam 15 mg 1-2; prn several x/wk til Jan/Feb 2019 when cold turkey, flu illness for months July 2018 started gabapentin 100 3x/day; titrated up to 1800 mg (600 3x/day) Buspar, I forget how much, 2 pills a day Jan 2017-July 2018 cold turkey. On Zoloft since maybe 2004? After trying many. *I speak from my experience. Nothing I say is medical advice. I'm not a doctor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Emeritus Shep Posted February 19, 2021 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted February 19, 2021 2 hours ago, ShiningLight said: I don't recall how I came across this guy, but here is a FL therapist who speaks withdrawal. I don't know anything about him other than what is on his web site. https://www.chrispaigelcsw.com/services Here's some more info - He's with the Benzodiazepine Information Coalition and has lived experience with withdrawal and akathisia: Benzo Info - Chris Paige Up in the Air: Surviving 24 Hours with Akathisia 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crochet Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 On 11/27/2020 at 4:45 PM, purple said: I'd like to recommend psychiatrist Dr. Kendra Campbell, site is freerangepsych.org and I believe there are other doctors to work with as well. I watched the Medicating Normal documentary and she was on the panel discussion at the end. She seems to have a lot of experience in de-prescribing medications. I went to freerangepsych.org and didn't see Kendra Campbell, but I booked a free consultation with Dr. Jennifer Giordano for next week. I'll let you know how it goes and will post complete contact info at that time if it feels like a good fit. 1 2012-present - Escitalopram currently 2.55 mg Supplements: Daytime- Green Lipped Mussel 1200mg, Omega-3s 1710mg, Wheat Germ Oil 770mg, Sodium Butyrate 1.2g, Phosphatidylcholine 2600mg, Multi-Min 2 tablets, Liposomal Glutathione 4 pumps, Probiotic 1 capsule, Beyond Balance herbal tinctures for lyme and gut healing (including one only taken during menstruation); Nighttime - L-theanine 200mg, melatonin 1mg, magnesium glycinate 400mg. History: 2012-2017- Escitalopram 10mg 2017-2020 - Escitalopram 5mg 07/2019-11/2019 - Valium 10mg, every 2-3 days, then stopped 11/2020 - Stopped Escitalopram 5mg abruptly (crashed January 2021) 1/2021-12/2021 - Escitalopram Reinstated 2.5mg to 5 to 10 to 7.5 and then started slow taper 1/2021-2/2021 - Ativan .5mg - Took 13.5 pills over the course of 22 days and stopped 2/2021-9/2021 Hydroxyzine - 50-100mg tapering down to .8mg, then cross-tapered to Claritin and stopped 9/2021-9/2022 - Claritin 5 mg (tapered off) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted March 23, 2021 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted March 23, 2021 (edited) I cannot find any mention of the Dutch tapering clinic in this topic but thought it a good idea to put this information here: 9 hours ago, DutchMaddy said: @Altostrata @ChessieCat @SebasI regret to inform you about the Dutch tapering clinic. It seems better than it is. They are going to do trials. So one half gets a placebo and the other half of the patients gets tapering strips. Our Dutch organisation for tapering in Holland is mad about it because we already know that tapering is necessary! They rejected strongly to stop what they are planning to do and asked them to “just” start helping them to taper. Because now one half of the people will do a CT with their AD with all the consequences from that 😪 Edited March 23, 2021 by ChessieCat * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crochet Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 Jennifer Giordano, DO Dr. Giordano is a holistic psychiatrist who sees patients age 12 and older in Virginia, Michigan, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, George, Florida, Arizona, Oregon and other states on a case by case basis. https://freerangepsych.org/ phone 786.453.4572 I had a free 15 minute phone call consult with this doctor today. She believes that clients can get off psych drugs with very slow and careful tapering and will assist with tapering schedules. She referenced Medicating Normal. 2 2012-present - Escitalopram currently 2.55 mg Supplements: Daytime- Green Lipped Mussel 1200mg, Omega-3s 1710mg, Wheat Germ Oil 770mg, Sodium Butyrate 1.2g, Phosphatidylcholine 2600mg, Multi-Min 2 tablets, Liposomal Glutathione 4 pumps, Probiotic 1 capsule, Beyond Balance herbal tinctures for lyme and gut healing (including one only taken during menstruation); Nighttime - L-theanine 200mg, melatonin 1mg, magnesium glycinate 400mg. History: 2012-2017- Escitalopram 10mg 2017-2020 - Escitalopram 5mg 07/2019-11/2019 - Valium 10mg, every 2-3 days, then stopped 11/2020 - Stopped Escitalopram 5mg abruptly (crashed January 2021) 1/2021-12/2021 - Escitalopram Reinstated 2.5mg to 5 to 10 to 7.5 and then started slow taper 1/2021-2/2021 - Ativan .5mg - Took 13.5 pills over the course of 22 days and stopped 2/2021-9/2021 Hydroxyzine - 50-100mg tapering down to .8mg, then cross-tapered to Claritin and stopped 9/2021-9/2022 - Claritin 5 mg (tapered off) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 On 3/19/2021 at 9:54 PM, Crochet said: I went to freerangepsych.org and didn't see Kendra Campbell, but I booked a free consultation with Dr. Jennifer Giordano for next week. I'll let you know how it goes and will post complete contact info at that time if it feels like a good fit. Great!! Please let me know. I feel like they are doing amazing things but haven't met anyone who has personally worked with them as patients so it'll be great to hear what it's like. Thank you! 2017 Oct sertraline | Nov switched to escitalopram 10mg | 2018 Apr escitalopram fast taper (4-8 weeks) to zero/off 2018 Nov restarted escitalopram, increased to 20mg | 2020 Jan escitalopram fast taper (2-3 months) to zero/off 2020 Aug 27 restarted escitalopram 10mg tablet, came across SA.org 2021 Feb 27 complete switch to liquid 9.8mg | Mar 7 decreased to 9.5mg | Mar 14 decreased to 9.3mg | Mar 21 decreased to 9.0mg | Apr 11 decreased to 8.8mg | Apr 18 decreased to 8.6mg | May 9 decreased to 8.3mg | May 16 decreased to 8.1mg | Jun 6 increased to 9.0mg | July 18 decreased to 8.6mg | Aug 15 decreased to 8.2mg | Sept 19 decreased to 8.0mg | Oct 21 decreased to 7.6mg | Nov 18 decreased to 7.2mg | Dec 16 decreased to 6.9mg 2022 Feb 27 decreased to 6.8mg | Mar 31 decreased to 6.4mg | Jul 5 decreased to 6.1mg | Jul 23 decreased to 5.8mg | Aug 10 increased to 6.0mg | Nov 24 decreased to 5.4mg | Dec 31 decreased to 4.8mg 2023 Feb 1 decreased to 4.4mg | May 17 decreased to 4mg | Jul 6 decreased to 3.8mg | Jul 19 decreased to 3.6 | Aug 11 decreased to 3.2mg | Sept 9 decreased to 3.0mg | Sept 22 decreased to 2.7mg | Oct 24 increased to 2.775mg | Nov 12 decreased to 2.7mg | Dec 20 increased to 3.0mg I hold for longer periods of time when life gets stressful, usually work related. Supplements: currently none Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lithiumnomore Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 On 3/24/2014 at 5:30 PM, Altostrata said: Daniel Z. Lieberman, M.D.http://www.vitals.com/doctors/Dr_Daniel_Lieberman.html#ixzz2wuyNT1Lj Professor and Vice Chair for Clinical Affairs George Washington University Medical Faculty Associates 2150 Pennsylvania Ave NW Washington, DC 20037 202-741-2888 Dr. Lieberman responded to my e-mail right away. With a subspecialty in addiction medicine, he is very interested in helping people get off drugs safely and comfortably. He seems like a very considerate doctor. He does not take insurance. I have an appointment with Dr. Lieberman in a few weeks. Has anyone else seen him? Altostrata, I assume your email exchange specifically covered tapering? What about withdrawal syndrome? I know it's been a while, just wondering how you developed the list. Current Meds/Taper: Lithium 450 mg - only drug. Tapered from 450 mg on 2/4, dropping 50 mg every 2 weeks to 300. Started having extreme insomnia after 2 weeks at 300 mg. Updosed to 350 mg on 3/24 and then back to 450 mg on 4/7. Will resume taper at 5-10%/month or slower when the time comes. Current supplements: Magnesium - Dr Best Chelated 100 mg PM, probiotic. Recent meds/tapers: Seroquel: 9/7/2020 - 25 mg up to 100 mg then tapered off rapidly to 0 mg (took for 2 weeks total) Lithium: 9/4/2020 - 900 mg, 11/20 - 750 mg, 12/15 - 600 mg, 12/21 - 750 mg, 2/11/21 - 600 mg, 3/15/21 - 450 mg Lamictal: 9/7/2020 - 25 mg, 9/17 - 50 mg; 10/1 - 100 mg; 10/13 - 200 mg, 10/23 - 300 mg, 11/6 - 400 mg, 1/15/21 - 200 mg, 4/15/21 - 100 mg, 5/13/21 - 75 mg, 5/27/21 - 62.5 mg, 6/8/21 - 50 mg, 6/22/21 - 37.5 mg, 6/28/21 - 12.5 mg, 7/7/21 - 0 mg Past meds: 2001-2010 - lithium and/or other mood stabilizers, ssris and benzos; 2011 - 2018 - lithium and adderall; 2018 - tapered lithium 900 mg to 0 mg in about 6 months, stopped Nov 2018 (no identified withdrawal symptoms), started fluoxetine @ 20 mg spring 2018 through May 2019, then tapered in two steps: May - 10 mg, Nov - 0 mg; Dec 2019 - ssri withdrawal starts, hell begins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Altostrata Posted May 11, 2021 Administrator Share Posted May 11, 2021 @lithiumnomore Did you ask Dr. Lieberman about tapering your drugs? This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lithiumnomore Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 4 hours ago, Altostrata said: @lithiumnomore Did you ask Dr. Lieberman about tapering your drugs? I just spoke with an admin person. I'd like for him to supervise a taper. Following advice of this board so mainly just want a competent doctor (or as competent as psychiatrists come anyway) if things go south. I'll report back here how it goes but was wondering how he ended up on the list. Current Meds/Taper: Lithium 450 mg - only drug. Tapered from 450 mg on 2/4, dropping 50 mg every 2 weeks to 300. Started having extreme insomnia after 2 weeks at 300 mg. Updosed to 350 mg on 3/24 and then back to 450 mg on 4/7. Will resume taper at 5-10%/month or slower when the time comes. Current supplements: Magnesium - Dr Best Chelated 100 mg PM, probiotic. Recent meds/tapers: Seroquel: 9/7/2020 - 25 mg up to 100 mg then tapered off rapidly to 0 mg (took for 2 weeks total) Lithium: 9/4/2020 - 900 mg, 11/20 - 750 mg, 12/15 - 600 mg, 12/21 - 750 mg, 2/11/21 - 600 mg, 3/15/21 - 450 mg Lamictal: 9/7/2020 - 25 mg, 9/17 - 50 mg; 10/1 - 100 mg; 10/13 - 200 mg, 10/23 - 300 mg, 11/6 - 400 mg, 1/15/21 - 200 mg, 4/15/21 - 100 mg, 5/13/21 - 75 mg, 5/27/21 - 62.5 mg, 6/8/21 - 50 mg, 6/22/21 - 37.5 mg, 6/28/21 - 12.5 mg, 7/7/21 - 0 mg Past meds: 2001-2010 - lithium and/or other mood stabilizers, ssris and benzos; 2011 - 2018 - lithium and adderall; 2018 - tapered lithium 900 mg to 0 mg in about 6 months, stopped Nov 2018 (no identified withdrawal symptoms), started fluoxetine @ 20 mg spring 2018 through May 2019, then tapered in two steps: May - 10 mg, Nov - 0 mg; Dec 2019 - ssri withdrawal starts, hell begins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Altostrata Posted May 11, 2021 Administrator Share Posted May 11, 2021 You should verify that he will deal with the drugs you want to taper. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lithiumnomore Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 On 5/11/2021 at 7:35 PM, Altostrata said: You should verify that he will deal with the drugs you want to taper. Thanks. Yes, it's a 90 minute consult so I'll make sure he's aligned with my goals. I'll update my intro sometime soon but I have made a ton of progress, seem to be almost clear of SSRI withdrawal and am now looking to get off the rest, doing it the right way. I want a doctor to help and be a safeguard in case of relapse. I feel good about things though. Current Meds/Taper: Lithium 450 mg - only drug. Tapered from 450 mg on 2/4, dropping 50 mg every 2 weeks to 300. Started having extreme insomnia after 2 weeks at 300 mg. Updosed to 350 mg on 3/24 and then back to 450 mg on 4/7. Will resume taper at 5-10%/month or slower when the time comes. Current supplements: Magnesium - Dr Best Chelated 100 mg PM, probiotic. Recent meds/tapers: Seroquel: 9/7/2020 - 25 mg up to 100 mg then tapered off rapidly to 0 mg (took for 2 weeks total) Lithium: 9/4/2020 - 900 mg, 11/20 - 750 mg, 12/15 - 600 mg, 12/21 - 750 mg, 2/11/21 - 600 mg, 3/15/21 - 450 mg Lamictal: 9/7/2020 - 25 mg, 9/17 - 50 mg; 10/1 - 100 mg; 10/13 - 200 mg, 10/23 - 300 mg, 11/6 - 400 mg, 1/15/21 - 200 mg, 4/15/21 - 100 mg, 5/13/21 - 75 mg, 5/27/21 - 62.5 mg, 6/8/21 - 50 mg, 6/22/21 - 37.5 mg, 6/28/21 - 12.5 mg, 7/7/21 - 0 mg Past meds: 2001-2010 - lithium and/or other mood stabilizers, ssris and benzos; 2011 - 2018 - lithium and adderall; 2018 - tapered lithium 900 mg to 0 mg in about 6 months, stopped Nov 2018 (no identified withdrawal symptoms), started fluoxetine @ 20 mg spring 2018 through May 2019, then tapered in two steps: May - 10 mg, Nov - 0 mg; Dec 2019 - ssri withdrawal starts, hell begins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Altostrata Posted May 13, 2021 Administrator Share Posted May 13, 2021 @lithiumnomore that's great news. Please do update your Intro topic. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katy398 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 On 12/29/2020 at 7:33 PM, DataGuy said: Dr. Sam Lieblich, psychiatrist in Melbourne, Australia -He’s very open to discussing ‘Withdrawal’ -He mentioned compounding chemists when discussing tapering!! -There was even, dare I say some questioning surrounding antidepressant efficacy!!! -And he’s a Psychiatrist!! A first in my opinion but naturally very, very busy!!! 1 Lexapro Fast Track/ Cold Turkey Last dose end Dec 2018 Tapered 1/2 a daily dose a week (20mg) for 14 weeks, last dose was a 20 mg pill!! 3.5 times slower than Psychiatrist recommended, I felt proud of myself!! Little did I know!!!!Got too scared to reinstate because I’d left it too long. On ADs for 20 years (Prozac approx 10 years/ Pristiq approx 3 years/ Citalipram approx 2 years/. Lexapro a approx 5 years/. Last two years 40mgs Lexapro day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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