ikam Posted July 29, 2016 Author Share Posted July 29, 2016 Day 1 2% of 2.5mg - 12.03.2021- doxepin- 50mg - 6.11.2020- 75mg - 16.10.2020- 100mg - 30.09.2020- doxepin- 125mg - May 2020, omeprazole 40mg switched to esomeprazole 20mg - 2012 re-started Doxepin 75mg, evening. Increased to 150mg - 2012, Atenolol 25mg, twice a day - 2016, Low dose of HRT in evening, Sandrena and Utrogestan - Long term of Nasal spray Otrivine - 2012, PPI Omeprazole 40mg-evening 24.10.2014- Started ESCITALOPRAM-first 5mg and then 10mg; due to the adverse symptoms reduced on 5.01.2015- Escitalopram- 2.5mg 22.07.2016- re-started reduction by 1% at a time. Completed tappering on 19.03.2020 😇 Link to comment
ikam Posted July 30, 2016 Author Share Posted July 30, 2016 That's great news! It takes 4 days for the reduction effects (1.3%) show for me. It seems your system is not as sensitized. Is 4 days a rule for everybody? I remember with Effexor I had WD symptoms straight after decreasing... I have started 2% decrease...I know these are early days...it is good that I held through my difficult life period and waiting for a situation to get better... I am grateful for all the suggestion (sliding protocol) and support... LexAnger, how can you manage to get so accurate, you mentioned 1.3%? - 12.03.2021- doxepin- 50mg - 6.11.2020- 75mg - 16.10.2020- 100mg - 30.09.2020- doxepin- 125mg - May 2020, omeprazole 40mg switched to esomeprazole 20mg - 2012 re-started Doxepin 75mg, evening. Increased to 150mg - 2012, Atenolol 25mg, twice a day - 2016, Low dose of HRT in evening, Sandrena and Utrogestan - Long term of Nasal spray Otrivine - 2012, PPI Omeprazole 40mg-evening 24.10.2014- Started ESCITALOPRAM-first 5mg and then 10mg; due to the adverse symptoms reduced on 5.01.2015- Escitalopram- 2.5mg 22.07.2016- re-started reduction by 1% at a time. Completed tappering on 19.03.2020 😇 Link to comment
ikam Posted July 30, 2016 Author Share Posted July 30, 2016 I just left my negative review on the web-page http://www.iodine.com/ - 12.03.2021- doxepin- 50mg - 6.11.2020- 75mg - 16.10.2020- 100mg - 30.09.2020- doxepin- 125mg - May 2020, omeprazole 40mg switched to esomeprazole 20mg - 2012 re-started Doxepin 75mg, evening. Increased to 150mg - 2012, Atenolol 25mg, twice a day - 2016, Low dose of HRT in evening, Sandrena and Utrogestan - Long term of Nasal spray Otrivine - 2012, PPI Omeprazole 40mg-evening 24.10.2014- Started ESCITALOPRAM-first 5mg and then 10mg; due to the adverse symptoms reduced on 5.01.2015- Escitalopram- 2.5mg 22.07.2016- re-started reduction by 1% at a time. Completed tappering on 19.03.2020 😇 Link to comment
Martina23 Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 For me it took also ca 4 days until the body found out that I made a decrease. If I forgot my dose for one day, nothing happened. 05/2013 Lyrica 100 mg / per day for pain + PGAD resulting from caesarian delivery11/2014 started to taper: 50 mg per day/ for one week then c/tafter one month reinstated at 50 mg /per days of 10 July 2015 drug free- symptoms OCD Link to comment
ikam Posted July 30, 2016 Author Share Posted July 30, 2016 Effexor is different, I think, as a half life is quite short (around 15 hours), when with escitalopram a mean terminal half-life is about 27-32 hours. I remember having severe problems straight after decrease...but I was decreasing by 10%... I am glad I am doing this slowly now... - 12.03.2021- doxepin- 50mg - 6.11.2020- 75mg - 16.10.2020- 100mg - 30.09.2020- doxepin- 125mg - May 2020, omeprazole 40mg switched to esomeprazole 20mg - 2012 re-started Doxepin 75mg, evening. Increased to 150mg - 2012, Atenolol 25mg, twice a day - 2016, Low dose of HRT in evening, Sandrena and Utrogestan - Long term of Nasal spray Otrivine - 2012, PPI Omeprazole 40mg-evening 24.10.2014- Started ESCITALOPRAM-first 5mg and then 10mg; due to the adverse symptoms reduced on 5.01.2015- Escitalopram- 2.5mg 22.07.2016- re-started reduction by 1% at a time. Completed tappering on 19.03.2020 😇 Link to comment
LexAnger Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 Oh, I'm using 5mg/5ml liquid and using a 5ml syringe. I found 3 drops make up 0.1 mg. I was at 2.5 mg which is 75 drops. I cut 1 drop each time which is 1/70=1.3%. Drug free Sep. 23 2017 2009 Mar.: lexapro 10mg for headache for 2 weeks. 2009-2012: on and off 1/4 to 1/3 of 10mg 2012 June--2013 Jan,: 1/4-1/3 of 10mg generic, bad jaw pain 2013 Jan-Mar: 10 mg generic. severe jaw and head pain; 2013 Mar--Aug. started tapering (liquid ever since) from 10 to 5 (one step) then gradually down to 2.25 mg by July. first ever panic attack, severe head/jaw pain 2013 Aug.: back to 2.75 mg; Nov: back to Brand Lex. 2.75mg -- 3mg, 2014 June: stopped PPI, head pressure/numbness. up-dosed 4.5mg, severe reaction mental symptoms added on 2014 Aug--2015 Aug: Micro taper down to 3.2mg, .025mg (<1%) cut holding 2-3 weeks. 2015 Aug 15th, Accidental one dose of 4.2mg. worsening brain non-functional, swollen head, body, coma like, DR 2016 Feb., started dosing 10am through 11 pm everyday 2/13--3.2mg, 3/15-- 2.9mg, 4/19-- 2.6mg, 6/26--2.2mg, 7/22 --1.9mg, 8/16--1.8mg，8/31--1.7m g, 9/13--1.6mg, 9/27--1.5mg, 10/8--1.4mg, 10/14--1.3mg， 11/1--1.2mg, 11/29--1.1mg, 12/12--1mg, 12/22--0.9mg 2017: 1/7--0.8mg, 1/15--0.7mg, 1/17--0.6mg, 1/20--0.52, 1/21--0.4mg, 1/22--0.26, 1/23--0.2, 2/13--0.13mg, 2/20--0.06mg, 3/18--0.13mg, 6/1--0.12mg, 7/6--0.1mg, 7/14--0.08mg, 8/17--0.04mg, 8/20--0.03mg, 8/28--0.02mg, 9/6--0.0205mg, 9/8--0.02mg, 9/17--0.015mg, 9/20--0.01mg, 9/21--0.0048mg, 9/22--0.0001mg, Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus scallywag Posted July 30, 2016 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted July 30, 2016 ikam - I just did a quick analysis on serum/blood concentration with twice day dosing of the immediate release version. Steady state is achieved faster with Effexor; starting on the 2nd day (3rd dose) the daily pattern remains the same. However, the pattern between doses is far more variable than other drugs, as you probably know. That's the cause of rapid onset of withdrawal symptoms with Effexor. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.1997-1999 Effexor; 2002-2005 Effexor XR 37.5 mg linear taper, dropping same #beads/week with bad results Cymbalta 60 mg 2012 - 2015; 2016: 20 mg to 7 mg exact doses and dates in this post; 2017: 6.3 mg to 0.0 mg Aug. 12; details here scallywag's IntroductionOnline spreadsheet for dose taper calculations and nz11's THE WORKS spreadsheet Link to comment
ikam Posted July 31, 2016 Author Share Posted July 31, 2016 Day 3 of 2% The symptoms i have dont differ from the ones I already experienced...meaning: numb hands in the morning, pains and aches, mild nausea...During all my time on Escitalopram I have had lots of symptoms and they are not different at the moment...I don't know what are WD symptoms anymore... - 12.03.2021- doxepin- 50mg - 6.11.2020- 75mg - 16.10.2020- 100mg - 30.09.2020- doxepin- 125mg - May 2020, omeprazole 40mg switched to esomeprazole 20mg - 2012 re-started Doxepin 75mg, evening. Increased to 150mg - 2012, Atenolol 25mg, twice a day - 2016, Low dose of HRT in evening, Sandrena and Utrogestan - Long term of Nasal spray Otrivine - 2012, PPI Omeprazole 40mg-evening 24.10.2014- Started ESCITALOPRAM-first 5mg and then 10mg; due to the adverse symptoms reduced on 5.01.2015- Escitalopram- 2.5mg 22.07.2016- re-started reduction by 1% at a time. Completed tappering on 19.03.2020 😇 Link to comment
ikam Posted August 1, 2016 Author Share Posted August 1, 2016 WD symptoms and Ad's side effects overlap...since the beginning of escitalopram I have had lots of symptoms. This drug is just so toxic... I am in a state of waiting that I will be hit by symptoms...I worry so much... This is the reason why I don't read other people stories as I then fear that I would have the same... It is 4th day of2%. I am OK, but in a state of waiting... I am becoming to be fearful of next decrease. But I think it is better for me to persevere... So difficult... - 12.03.2021- doxepin- 50mg - 6.11.2020- 75mg - 16.10.2020- 100mg - 30.09.2020- doxepin- 125mg - May 2020, omeprazole 40mg switched to esomeprazole 20mg - 2012 re-started Doxepin 75mg, evening. Increased to 150mg - 2012, Atenolol 25mg, twice a day - 2016, Low dose of HRT in evening, Sandrena and Utrogestan - Long term of Nasal spray Otrivine - 2012, PPI Omeprazole 40mg-evening 24.10.2014- Started ESCITALOPRAM-first 5mg and then 10mg; due to the adverse symptoms reduced on 5.01.2015- Escitalopram- 2.5mg 22.07.2016- re-started reduction by 1% at a time. Completed tappering on 19.03.2020 😇 Link to comment
Martina23 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 Ikam, dont worry. Most probably, you will get very mild symptoms with 2%, if at all. I think 1-2% can not the body even recognize. But you are doing the right thing, tapering is in any case better than to stay on this drug and never know if your problems which you experience are not just the side effects of the drug. 05/2013 Lyrica 100 mg / per day for pain + PGAD resulting from caesarian delivery11/2014 started to taper: 50 mg per day/ for one week then c/tafter one month reinstated at 50 mg /per days of 10 July 2015 drug free- symptoms OCD Link to comment
ikam Posted August 1, 2016 Author Share Posted August 1, 2016 Thanks. I think because I expect that I would be hit by symptoms I almost make it happen. I have this "ability" to create symptoms as I fear them so much... I am "actively" looking for them and finding them... E.g. I would get panicked over my heart rate, hence it increases even more and then I have evidence that something is wrong... I am so preoccupied now that I will get worse... I am.in this "stupid" waiting mode... - 12.03.2021- doxepin- 50mg - 6.11.2020- 75mg - 16.10.2020- 100mg - 30.09.2020- doxepin- 125mg - May 2020, omeprazole 40mg switched to esomeprazole 20mg - 2012 re-started Doxepin 75mg, evening. Increased to 150mg - 2012, Atenolol 25mg, twice a day - 2016, Low dose of HRT in evening, Sandrena and Utrogestan - Long term of Nasal spray Otrivine - 2012, PPI Omeprazole 40mg-evening 24.10.2014- Started ESCITALOPRAM-first 5mg and then 10mg; due to the adverse symptoms reduced on 5.01.2015- Escitalopram- 2.5mg 22.07.2016- re-started reduction by 1% at a time. Completed tappering on 19.03.2020 😇 Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus scallywag Posted August 1, 2016 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted August 1, 2016 ikam, A wise friend once told me that worry is all the work with none of the result. Please do what you can to rechannel that mental energy into something that adds to your life.Change the channel - dealing with cognitive symptoms This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.1997-1999 Effexor; 2002-2005 Effexor XR 37.5 mg linear taper, dropping same #beads/week with bad results Cymbalta 60 mg 2012 - 2015; 2016: 20 mg to 7 mg exact doses and dates in this post; 2017: 6.3 mg to 0.0 mg Aug. 12; details here scallywag's IntroductionOnline spreadsheet for dose taper calculations and nz11's THE WORKS spreadsheet Link to comment
Moderator brassmonkey Posted August 1, 2016 Moderator Share Posted August 1, 2016 Hi ikam-- the first two drops of this slide seem to be going wonderfully, I'm so excited for you. Watching for symptoms is a self fulfilling process. If you look for them you'll find them. It's very hard not to be watchful, especially on your first slide, with a bit of practice it gets easier. One good trick is to change the wording of your thoughts from 'when the symptom happens" to "if the symptom happens". It's a small but powerful change in outlook. Lots of distractions to take your mind off of it helps too. 20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013. Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mgpw it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks. The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better. Final Dose 0.016mg. Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017 "It's also important not to become angry, no matter how difficult life is, because you can loose all hope if you can't laugh at yourself and at life in general." Stephen Hawking Link to comment
ikam Posted August 2, 2016 Author Share Posted August 2, 2016 Thank you for your answers. Last few days it has been more difficult for me to "change the channel" and distract. I think, I would feel like this even if I have not tappered, as my mood tends to fluctuate a lot... Brassmonkey, thank you for your encouraging words...I need to think that I am suceeding...The first twi drops are not easy as I still dont know what to expect...Not much has happened, just usual...Although last night had a bad, stabbing pain in my leg...But I used to get them regularly since I have been on Escitalopram...This drug is a "poison"...! I am beginning to hesitate with my planned next drop on Friday...But if i dont go ahead with it I will keep on holding forever... - 12.03.2021- doxepin- 50mg - 6.11.2020- 75mg - 16.10.2020- 100mg - 30.09.2020- doxepin- 125mg - May 2020, omeprazole 40mg switched to esomeprazole 20mg - 2012 re-started Doxepin 75mg, evening. Increased to 150mg - 2012, Atenolol 25mg, twice a day - 2016, Low dose of HRT in evening, Sandrena and Utrogestan - Long term of Nasal spray Otrivine - 2012, PPI Omeprazole 40mg-evening 24.10.2014- Started ESCITALOPRAM-first 5mg and then 10mg; due to the adverse symptoms reduced on 5.01.2015- Escitalopram- 2.5mg 22.07.2016- re-started reduction by 1% at a time. Completed tappering on 19.03.2020 😇 Link to comment
ikam Posted August 2, 2016 Author Share Posted August 2, 2016 Went for a short walk, have taken a decision that I will alter my days for tappering, instead of Friday (and having a 4th day on Tuesday), i will be taking a next step on Tuesdays. This way, I will have a 4th day during the weekend, which should be more maneagable... today is 4th day of 2%... I feel a bit lightheaded, but I also had some stressful situation yesterday and did not sleep too well...I was waking up with a severe, stabbing pain in my leg...paracetamol helped only for two hours...then applied ice pack and this settled the pain... strangely, it was in a place in the leg that I cannot asocciate with anything anatomical...maybe it was a type of nerve pain? - 12.03.2021- doxepin- 50mg - 6.11.2020- 75mg - 16.10.2020- 100mg - 30.09.2020- doxepin- 125mg - May 2020, omeprazole 40mg switched to esomeprazole 20mg - 2012 re-started Doxepin 75mg, evening. Increased to 150mg - 2012, Atenolol 25mg, twice a day - 2016, Low dose of HRT in evening, Sandrena and Utrogestan - Long term of Nasal spray Otrivine - 2012, PPI Omeprazole 40mg-evening 24.10.2014- Started ESCITALOPRAM-first 5mg and then 10mg; due to the adverse symptoms reduced on 5.01.2015- Escitalopram- 2.5mg 22.07.2016- re-started reduction by 1% at a time. Completed tappering on 19.03.2020 😇 Link to comment
Martina23 Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 Ikam, you are like me. Always checking which incurable illness you have. Just take it like that that when you are over 30, sometimes the body pains on various places, on this you know that you are still alive. I think you keep still very well, hang in there. 05/2013 Lyrica 100 mg / per day for pain + PGAD resulting from caesarian delivery11/2014 started to taper: 50 mg per day/ for one week then c/tafter one month reinstated at 50 mg /per days of 10 July 2015 drug free- symptoms OCD Link to comment
ikam Posted August 2, 2016 Author Share Posted August 2, 2016 I did not think that I was ill...the pain was just so strange, stabbing and throbbing, in my shin bone...I did have similar one some time ago, when I stopped Efexor... - 12.03.2021- doxepin- 50mg - 6.11.2020- 75mg - 16.10.2020- 100mg - 30.09.2020- doxepin- 125mg - May 2020, omeprazole 40mg switched to esomeprazole 20mg - 2012 re-started Doxepin 75mg, evening. Increased to 150mg - 2012, Atenolol 25mg, twice a day - 2016, Low dose of HRT in evening, Sandrena and Utrogestan - Long term of Nasal spray Otrivine - 2012, PPI Omeprazole 40mg-evening 24.10.2014- Started ESCITALOPRAM-first 5mg and then 10mg; due to the adverse symptoms reduced on 5.01.2015- Escitalopram- 2.5mg 22.07.2016- re-started reduction by 1% at a time. Completed tappering on 19.03.2020 😇 Link to comment
Moderator brassmonkey Posted August 2, 2016 Moderator Share Posted August 2, 2016 Leg pain is really common in WD. I always tried to keep my feet and legs very warm, lots of massage and was constantly moving my feet while sitting. When things got really bad Hyland's Leg Cramp formula took the edge off for a few hours. If you're going to change the day of your drop, be sure to extend into it not cut one drop short. But I'm sure that you've already figured that out. 20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013. Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mgpw it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks. The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better. Final Dose 0.016mg. Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017 "It's also important not to become angry, no matter how difficult life is, because you can loose all hope if you can't laugh at yourself and at life in general." Stephen Hawking Link to comment
ikam Posted August 3, 2016 Author Share Posted August 3, 2016 Thank you. Yes, I will make next cut on Tuesday. This way my 4th day will be around weekend.. This is interesting with the leg pain. I had it p - 12.03.2021- doxepin- 50mg - 6.11.2020- 75mg - 16.10.2020- 100mg - 30.09.2020- doxepin- 125mg - May 2020, omeprazole 40mg switched to esomeprazole 20mg - 2012 re-started Doxepin 75mg, evening. Increased to 150mg - 2012, Atenolol 25mg, twice a day - 2016, Low dose of HRT in evening, Sandrena and Utrogestan - Long term of Nasal spray Otrivine - 2012, PPI Omeprazole 40mg-evening 24.10.2014- Started ESCITALOPRAM-first 5mg and then 10mg; due to the adverse symptoms reduced on 5.01.2015- Escitalopram- 2.5mg 22.07.2016- re-started reduction by 1% at a time. Completed tappering on 19.03.2020 😇 Link to comment
ikam Posted August 3, 2016 Author Share Posted August 3, 2016 This is interesting with the leg pain. I had it post-effexor. Is this something with the nerve? It feels strange. Always at night... Last night was bett, but I went to sleep at 7pm...needed it... I sleep a lot... - 12.03.2021- doxepin- 50mg - 6.11.2020- 75mg - 16.10.2020- 100mg - 30.09.2020- doxepin- 125mg - May 2020, omeprazole 40mg switched to esomeprazole 20mg - 2012 re-started Doxepin 75mg, evening. Increased to 150mg - 2012, Atenolol 25mg, twice a day - 2016, Low dose of HRT in evening, Sandrena and Utrogestan - Long term of Nasal spray Otrivine - 2012, PPI Omeprazole 40mg-evening 24.10.2014- Started ESCITALOPRAM-first 5mg and then 10mg; due to the adverse symptoms reduced on 5.01.2015- Escitalopram- 2.5mg 22.07.2016- re-started reduction by 1% at a time. Completed tappering on 19.03.2020 😇 Link to comment
ikam Posted August 3, 2016 Author Share Posted August 3, 2016 i have had a better day today...had no symptoms...i think yesterday it was my response to some stressful even + mild wd... - 12.03.2021- doxepin- 50mg - 6.11.2020- 75mg - 16.10.2020- 100mg - 30.09.2020- doxepin- 125mg - May 2020, omeprazole 40mg switched to esomeprazole 20mg - 2012 re-started Doxepin 75mg, evening. Increased to 150mg - 2012, Atenolol 25mg, twice a day - 2016, Low dose of HRT in evening, Sandrena and Utrogestan - Long term of Nasal spray Otrivine - 2012, PPI Omeprazole 40mg-evening 24.10.2014- Started ESCITALOPRAM-first 5mg and then 10mg; due to the adverse symptoms reduced on 5.01.2015- Escitalopram- 2.5mg 22.07.2016- re-started reduction by 1% at a time. Completed tappering on 19.03.2020 😇 Link to comment
ikam Posted August 4, 2016 Author Share Posted August 4, 2016 My recent blood test shows some inflammation, could it be related to AD? Could arthritis like pain in hands also be WD? As I.mentioned I have lots of unexplained symptoms... My life is never free from pain.. - 12.03.2021- doxepin- 50mg - 6.11.2020- 75mg - 16.10.2020- 100mg - 30.09.2020- doxepin- 125mg - May 2020, omeprazole 40mg switched to esomeprazole 20mg - 2012 re-started Doxepin 75mg, evening. Increased to 150mg - 2012, Atenolol 25mg, twice a day - 2016, Low dose of HRT in evening, Sandrena and Utrogestan - Long term of Nasal spray Otrivine - 2012, PPI Omeprazole 40mg-evening 24.10.2014- Started ESCITALOPRAM-first 5mg and then 10mg; due to the adverse symptoms reduced on 5.01.2015- Escitalopram- 2.5mg 22.07.2016- re-started reduction by 1% at a time. Completed tappering on 19.03.2020 😇 Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted August 4, 2016 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted August 4, 2016 Hi Ikam, I read this yesterday from this post by Alto: "My theory is that pain from withdrawal finds the spots on our bodies that are under everyday stress, such as sitting at a desk and typing -- my pain found my wrists, shoulders, and upper back." I have been wondering the same thing and think that perhaps our "weaknesses" are magnified in withdrawal. * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment
ikam Posted August 4, 2016 Author Share Posted August 4, 2016 Yeah, it sounds about right. The weaker point in my body magnified by WD On a positive note, I have found a good physio, she assessed me today, gave some hope that things will settle. Gave some simple exercices...Cheked my body strength and assume that although there are some things to be expected that come with age (a bit more stiff), my body is quite strong and in a good shape... The pain in my foot and stabbing pain at night are relate to sciatic and lumbar nerve, so I am feeling more positive now. I have some insurance that will partially pay for my treatment... Update on tapering- as I mentioned I will be making change on Tuesdays, hence I will work a bit longer with 2% drop. I am generally OK, bit more type of excitement/anxiety...but it goes away when I forget about it... As usually, I have problems with starting my day...I wish I could remain "the evening person" in the morning... - 12.03.2021- doxepin- 50mg - 6.11.2020- 75mg - 16.10.2020- 100mg - 30.09.2020- doxepin- 125mg - May 2020, omeprazole 40mg switched to esomeprazole 20mg - 2012 re-started Doxepin 75mg, evening. Increased to 150mg - 2012, Atenolol 25mg, twice a day - 2016, Low dose of HRT in evening, Sandrena and Utrogestan - Long term of Nasal spray Otrivine - 2012, PPI Omeprazole 40mg-evening 24.10.2014- Started ESCITALOPRAM-first 5mg and then 10mg; due to the adverse symptoms reduced on 5.01.2015- Escitalopram- 2.5mg 22.07.2016- re-started reduction by 1% at a time. Completed tappering on 19.03.2020 😇 Link to comment
ikam Posted August 6, 2016 Author Share Posted August 6, 2016 It is interesting but i actually feel better. More relaxed...As I have been no symptom free since I started Escitalopram, the symptoms I get I associate with "normal" functioning....I have nothing extra, and it seems I have less symptoms at present... I am in a type of stress free period, I have not had this luxury for years... It is nice an quite here where I live. I tend to stay indoors, as I enjoy this so much...Until now I used to live in places that were adding pressure to my life...I had difficulty to rest, relax... I am getting a bit better with my anaemia, have a bit more energy and my thinking is less cloudy... I am really pleased, as I was terrified that I would be flooded with symptoms. I am aware that these are just first two weeks, but I am more hopeful... - 12.03.2021- doxepin- 50mg - 6.11.2020- 75mg - 16.10.2020- 100mg - 30.09.2020- doxepin- 125mg - May 2020, omeprazole 40mg switched to esomeprazole 20mg - 2012 re-started Doxepin 75mg, evening. Increased to 150mg - 2012, Atenolol 25mg, twice a day - 2016, Low dose of HRT in evening, Sandrena and Utrogestan - Long term of Nasal spray Otrivine - 2012, PPI Omeprazole 40mg-evening 24.10.2014- Started ESCITALOPRAM-first 5mg and then 10mg; due to the adverse symptoms reduced on 5.01.2015- Escitalopram- 2.5mg 22.07.2016- re-started reduction by 1% at a time. Completed tappering on 19.03.2020 😇 Link to comment
ikam Posted August 6, 2016 Author Share Posted August 6, 2016 Read two books; no concentration problems anymore... - 12.03.2021- doxepin- 50mg - 6.11.2020- 75mg - 16.10.2020- 100mg - 30.09.2020- doxepin- 125mg - May 2020, omeprazole 40mg switched to esomeprazole 20mg - 2012 re-started Doxepin 75mg, evening. Increased to 150mg - 2012, Atenolol 25mg, twice a day - 2016, Low dose of HRT in evening, Sandrena and Utrogestan - Long term of Nasal spray Otrivine - 2012, PPI Omeprazole 40mg-evening 24.10.2014- Started ESCITALOPRAM-first 5mg and then 10mg; due to the adverse symptoms reduced on 5.01.2015- Escitalopram- 2.5mg 22.07.2016- re-started reduction by 1% at a time. Completed tappering on 19.03.2020 😇 Link to comment
Martina23 Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 Ikam, that is great, maybe you are therefore so tired that you dont have enough iron, it can be as you write you have anemia 05/2013 Lyrica 100 mg / per day for pain + PGAD resulting from caesarian delivery11/2014 started to taper: 50 mg per day/ for one week then c/tafter one month reinstated at 50 mg /per days of 10 July 2015 drug free- symptoms OCD Link to comment
ikam Posted August 7, 2016 Author Share Posted August 7, 2016 Martina, yes, it seems that a lot of my exhaustion was to do with anaemia. My blood results are better now. I have been blending vegs and fruit + nuts + flax seeds + bee pollen and I have been drinking it every day. I also have less driving, less noise around the place I live at present. I am not so tired, more relaxed, my concentration has been better... The physio explained to me some of my pains, so I don't associate them completely with WD, but of course WD/AD make this issue more complicated... I am really pleased that I have started tapering and that I am using Brassmonkey's method, started from 1%, I will get 3% on Tuesday... I feel more hopeful now... - 12.03.2021- doxepin- 50mg - 6.11.2020- 75mg - 16.10.2020- 100mg - 30.09.2020- doxepin- 125mg - May 2020, omeprazole 40mg switched to esomeprazole 20mg - 2012 re-started Doxepin 75mg, evening. Increased to 150mg - 2012, Atenolol 25mg, twice a day - 2016, Low dose of HRT in evening, Sandrena and Utrogestan - Long term of Nasal spray Otrivine - 2012, PPI Omeprazole 40mg-evening 24.10.2014- Started ESCITALOPRAM-first 5mg and then 10mg; due to the adverse symptoms reduced on 5.01.2015- Escitalopram- 2.5mg 22.07.2016- re-started reduction by 1% at a time. Completed tappering on 19.03.2020 😇 Link to comment
ikam Posted August 8, 2016 Author Share Posted August 8, 2016 What I have noticed that if i have any emotion it seems sharper and deeper...also, as if I don't have a "break", so it feels accelerating, strange feeling... When I was home, doing nothing, I did not have many emotions... Still, I am going ahead with 3% tomorrow, as planned: 3% = 0.075 = 2.425 - 12.03.2021- doxepin- 50mg - 6.11.2020- 75mg - 16.10.2020- 100mg - 30.09.2020- doxepin- 125mg - May 2020, omeprazole 40mg switched to esomeprazole 20mg - 2012 re-started Doxepin 75mg, evening. Increased to 150mg - 2012, Atenolol 25mg, twice a day - 2016, Low dose of HRT in evening, Sandrena and Utrogestan - Long term of Nasal spray Otrivine - 2012, PPI Omeprazole 40mg-evening 24.10.2014- Started ESCITALOPRAM-first 5mg and then 10mg; due to the adverse symptoms reduced on 5.01.2015- Escitalopram- 2.5mg 22.07.2016- re-started reduction by 1% at a time. Completed tappering on 19.03.2020 😇 Link to comment
Martina23 Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 Ikam, it is good if it is accelerating ... Let it do its work. 05/2013 Lyrica 100 mg / per day for pain + PGAD resulting from caesarian delivery11/2014 started to taper: 50 mg per day/ for one week then c/tafter one month reinstated at 50 mg /per days of 10 July 2015 drug free- symptoms OCD Link to comment
AliG Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 Ikam. You sound so much more positive about everything. The taper seems to be going well. I'm so happy for you. Many SSRI's and SSNRI's over 20 years. Zoloft for 7 years followed by Effexor, Lexapro, Prozac, Cymbalta, Celexa, Pristiq, Valdoxan, Mianserin and more - on and off. No tapering. Cold turkey off Valdoxan - end of May 2014 Psych Drug - free since May 2014 . Link to comment
Moderator brassmonkey Posted August 8, 2016 Moderator Share Posted August 8, 2016 Ikam-- the first several tapers will be causing symptoms to present themselves in a whole different manner than you're use to. Roll with them and listen to them to learn how you're going to react and understand the new feelings. 20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013. Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mgpw it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks. The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better. Final Dose 0.016mg. Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017 "It's also important not to become angry, no matter how difficult life is, because you can loose all hope if you can't laugh at yourself and at life in general." Stephen Hawking Link to comment
ikam Posted August 9, 2016 Author Share Posted August 9, 2016 Thank you all... I remember how I had to learn my symptoms signature when I was tappering Effexor... Tappering Escitalopram seems a bit more tricky, as I have to tapper much slower... I have started 3% today...a bit unsure about this step...unsure what to expect...but also determined to carry on with my journey...I want to get to 5% and then stop for couple weeks... Yes, I am more positive since I have started...I was holding for long and this made me feeling so hopeless...but I had to wait for a better, less stressful time... - 12.03.2021- doxepin- 50mg - 6.11.2020- 75mg - 16.10.2020- 100mg - 30.09.2020- doxepin- 125mg - May 2020, omeprazole 40mg switched to esomeprazole 20mg - 2012 re-started Doxepin 75mg, evening. Increased to 150mg - 2012, Atenolol 25mg, twice a day - 2016, Low dose of HRT in evening, Sandrena and Utrogestan - Long term of Nasal spray Otrivine - 2012, PPI Omeprazole 40mg-evening 24.10.2014- Started ESCITALOPRAM-first 5mg and then 10mg; due to the adverse symptoms reduced on 5.01.2015- Escitalopram- 2.5mg 22.07.2016- re-started reduction by 1% at a time. Completed tappering on 19.03.2020 😇 Link to comment
Martina23 Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 Ikam, dont be afraid, 5% is such a small amount that I dont think that you would get any problems from this, you are doing the right thing and you have to believe yourself 05/2013 Lyrica 100 mg / per day for pain + PGAD resulting from caesarian delivery11/2014 started to taper: 50 mg per day/ for one week then c/tafter one month reinstated at 50 mg /per days of 10 July 2015 drug free- symptoms OCD Link to comment
ikam Posted August 11, 2016 Author Share Posted August 11, 2016 3rd day of 3%...nothing unusual...but because it is Thursday, I am a bit more tired, which is work related...I will be having holidays starting 22nd august, cannot wait- really need it... - 12.03.2021- doxepin- 50mg - 6.11.2020- 75mg - 16.10.2020- 100mg - 30.09.2020- doxepin- 125mg - May 2020, omeprazole 40mg switched to esomeprazole 20mg - 2012 re-started Doxepin 75mg, evening. Increased to 150mg - 2012, Atenolol 25mg, twice a day - 2016, Low dose of HRT in evening, Sandrena and Utrogestan - Long term of Nasal spray Otrivine - 2012, PPI Omeprazole 40mg-evening 24.10.2014- Started ESCITALOPRAM-first 5mg and then 10mg; due to the adverse symptoms reduced on 5.01.2015- Escitalopram- 2.5mg 22.07.2016- re-started reduction by 1% at a time. Completed tappering on 19.03.2020 😇 Link to comment
ikam Posted August 12, 2016 Author Share Posted August 12, 2016 4th day of 3% - more anxious in the morning - irritable - tense - bit dizzy - feeling like having a cold Question: - if i have these symptoms (still manageable), is it better to hold for longer on 3% or carry on with 4% on Tuesday and then hold? I am using a sliding method- 1% at the time for 4 weeks then hold... - 12.03.2021- doxepin- 50mg - 6.11.2020- 75mg - 16.10.2020- 100mg - 30.09.2020- doxepin- 125mg - May 2020, omeprazole 40mg switched to esomeprazole 20mg - 2012 re-started Doxepin 75mg, evening. Increased to 150mg - 2012, Atenolol 25mg, twice a day - 2016, Low dose of HRT in evening, Sandrena and Utrogestan - Long term of Nasal spray Otrivine - 2012, PPI Omeprazole 40mg-evening 24.10.2014- Started ESCITALOPRAM-first 5mg and then 10mg; due to the adverse symptoms reduced on 5.01.2015- Escitalopram- 2.5mg 22.07.2016- re-started reduction by 1% at a time. Completed tappering on 19.03.2020 😇 Link to comment
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