Moderator Emeritus Fresh Posted June 15, 2015 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted June 15, 2015 It does sound like dystonia faith. LOL @ you guys . . . I lost my emoticons , you know , the smiley faces you can add. Nobody has used one smiley face or sad face this whole page. Now losing control of emotions , that's a whole different thing 1987-1997 pertofran , prothiaden , Prozac 1997-2002 Zoloft 2002-2004 effexor 2004-2010 Lexapro 40mg 2010-2012Cymbalta 120mg Sept. 2012 -decreased 90mg in 6months. Care taken over by Dr Lucire in March 2013 , decreased last 30mg at 2mg per week over 3 months. July 21 , 2013- last dose of Cymbalta Protracted withdrawal syndrome kicked in badly Jan.2014 Unrelenting akathisia until May 2014. Voluntary hosp. admission. Cocktail of Seroquel, Ativan and mirtazapine and I was well enough to go home after 14 days. Stopped all hosp. meds in next few months. July 2014 felt v.depressed - couldn't stop crying. Started pristiq 50mg. Felt improvement within days and continued to improve, so stayed on 50mg for 8 months. Began taper 28 Feb. 2015. Pristiq 50mg down to 45mg. Had one month of w/d symptoms. Started CES therapy in March. No w/d symptoms down to 30mg. October 2015 , taking 25mg Pristiq. Capsules compounded with slow-release additive. March 2016 , 21mg Link to comment
Faithbarelysurviving Posted June 15, 2015 Author Share Posted June 15, 2015 Meime , the Trauma caused by these poisons and doctors cannot be described in words because it is Devilish and because my i can barely communicate with anybody . I ll probably end up in a mental institution or maybe I die first . I am going really down with my mood and thinking just you can see, i am slow in movements and thinking cognition, that s how it fast is changing for me and my head is being squshed like a a foot on a worm it hurts God Blessings Please have patience and read : a great Mental Health Care System indeed/Never been hospitalized prior to starting meds -Not sure all is accurate:2005 Diag. with major depression and anxiety after second birth -switched AD,getting worse (maybe:Celexa, Effexor, Wellbutrin-diagnosed with bp -Zyprexa, stopped it fast, got hosp.,Seroquel incr. at 300mg, wors. depr, akathisia bad, -changed dr.,dropped Seroquel 300mg to 100mg !!!- -new dr.got me off Seroquel in 1 mth at home!!Lamictal to help...getting worse,was also taking Clonazepam -severe muscle twiches, dp/dr,neck and shoulder muscles tight straight like cement, psychotic, bedridden for 1yr -Got put on Zoloft in the hosp.,and 3 mg of Clonazepam, "Stabilized" some after some months, 5-6, -Came off Zoloft by dropping some weekly, not knowing better!debilitating symptoms, got back on, tried to reduce Clonazepam after research.Prof. Ashton; hosp., asked dr. to follow Dr Ashton, he dropped 3 mg Clon. in One day!put on much less Valium...hysterical,pain,rage,couldn t breathe,akathisia etc etc -Zoloft up to 200mg!, hyperv. muscles tight like cement...my dr., on vacation!!Other dr red.zoloft, gave me Remeron Current meds:Buspirone 20mg,Tegretol200mg,Trazadone 50 mg,Clonaz. 3mg,Escital.15mg,Propran.20mg,Bupropr.150mg,Baclofen30mg,Gabapentin200mg, taken 4 times/day in various comb Link to comment
btdt Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 I know it hurts if it helps you to talk then ok talk about it. How about a shift in thinking in any moments you have a slight relief use those moments to suck in some light... for me the most healing state I found was deep relaxation. When nothing helped the EFT kept me going and maybe a slight difference but as for state of health mind and body where I knew there was a difference ... it was heat on the spine cause my back hurt like hell my entire spine was in agony... so heat on the spine and deep relaxation in the beginning it was the sound of the ocean on a cd I owned as I could not tolerate words or music ocean heat on the spine... the entire cd however long it was afterwards I could feel a shift it did not last so I would do this as many times a day as I needed later I moved to other relaxation such as guided and music when I could handle it but to start it was only white noise. we can affect our brains by outside stimuli and this was the first real positive thing I found when I started this peace to you Faith please give it a try WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
Faithbarelysurviving Posted June 15, 2015 Author Share Posted June 15, 2015 Tardive dyskenisia, dystonia and niacin etc http://orthomolecular.org/library/jom/1976/pdf/1976-v05n01-p004.pdf Nutritional treatment for TD, Vancouver, Canada http://www.alternativementalhealth.com/nutritional-treatment-of-tardive-dyskinesia/ http://www.researchgate.net/profile/Pao-Yen_Lin/publication/5294799_Tardive_dystonia_and_tardive_sensory_syndrome_related_to_trazodone_A_case_report/links/54dd45000cf282895a3b5b7e.pdf?disableCoverPage=true I do take trazodone! Please have patience and read : a great Mental Health Care System indeed/Never been hospitalized prior to starting meds -Not sure all is accurate:2005 Diag. with major depression and anxiety after second birth -switched AD,getting worse (maybe:Celexa, Effexor, Wellbutrin-diagnosed with bp -Zyprexa, stopped it fast, got hosp.,Seroquel incr. at 300mg, wors. depr, akathisia bad, -changed dr.,dropped Seroquel 300mg to 100mg !!!- -new dr.got me off Seroquel in 1 mth at home!!Lamictal to help...getting worse,was also taking Clonazepam -severe muscle twiches, dp/dr,neck and shoulder muscles tight straight like cement, psychotic, bedridden for 1yr -Got put on Zoloft in the hosp.,and 3 mg of Clonazepam, "Stabilized" some after some months, 5-6, -Came off Zoloft by dropping some weekly, not knowing better!debilitating symptoms, got back on, tried to reduce Clonazepam after research.Prof. Ashton; hosp., asked dr. to follow Dr Ashton, he dropped 3 mg Clon. in One day!put on much less Valium...hysterical,pain,rage,couldn t breathe,akathisia etc etc -Zoloft up to 200mg!, hyperv. muscles tight like cement...my dr., on vacation!!Other dr red.zoloft, gave me Remeron Current meds:Buspirone 20mg,Tegretol200mg,Trazadone 50 mg,Clonaz. 3mg,Escital.15mg,Propran.20mg,Bupropr.150mg,Baclofen30mg,Gabapentin200mg, taken 4 times/day in various comb Link to comment
Faithbarelysurviving Posted June 15, 2015 Author Share Posted June 15, 2015 Bdtd, i think i have dystonia prior to Trazodone. Your mind is clear, can you please read the last link And yes i ll try to do some relaxation Eft and pray Thank you Huggs Please have patience and read : a great Mental Health Care System indeed/Never been hospitalized prior to starting meds -Not sure all is accurate:2005 Diag. with major depression and anxiety after second birth -switched AD,getting worse (maybe:Celexa, Effexor, Wellbutrin-diagnosed with bp -Zyprexa, stopped it fast, got hosp.,Seroquel incr. at 300mg, wors. depr, akathisia bad, -changed dr.,dropped Seroquel 300mg to 100mg !!!- -new dr.got me off Seroquel in 1 mth at home!!Lamictal to help...getting worse,was also taking Clonazepam -severe muscle twiches, dp/dr,neck and shoulder muscles tight straight like cement, psychotic, bedridden for 1yr -Got put on Zoloft in the hosp.,and 3 mg of Clonazepam, "Stabilized" some after some months, 5-6, -Came off Zoloft by dropping some weekly, not knowing better!debilitating symptoms, got back on, tried to reduce Clonazepam after research.Prof. Ashton; hosp., asked dr. to follow Dr Ashton, he dropped 3 mg Clon. in One day!put on much less Valium...hysterical,pain,rage,couldn t breathe,akathisia etc etc -Zoloft up to 200mg!, hyperv. muscles tight like cement...my dr., on vacation!!Other dr red.zoloft, gave me Remeron Current meds:Buspirone 20mg,Tegretol200mg,Trazadone 50 mg,Clonaz. 3mg,Escital.15mg,Propran.20mg,Bupropr.150mg,Baclofen30mg,Gabapentin200mg, taken 4 times/day in various comb Link to comment
btdt Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 I did read it and I do wish i were smarter... other drugs can cause it so even it if was not this one it could be another as there are so many drugs in the mix... Problem being if you can't tolerate getting off any of these drugs due to being so sensitive to them.. going off the right one ..or it could be two drugs your taking that could cause it... taking a long look... can you get off them slowly... slow enough... if your focus is not stopping this reactions learning which of your drugs can cause it.. maybe a start the other thing is I think it lingers as I had it in wd and it was there a long long time... sometimes pops back in... is this what your thinking or attacking from all angles as I see you have nutrition to treat it... up there too... as for treatment in the report use suggested they gave vitamin E which I happen to take every day... I don't know drugs well enough but I am sure others your taking could cause it too I wish I was smarter but I don't know... what your asking I know what your trying to treat .. maybe some other people will know let is sit and see what others have to say peace WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
Faithbarelysurviving Posted June 15, 2015 Author Share Posted June 15, 2015 I don t know ....if my mind would function and i would understand things but i don t... Maybe the Trazadone may make the dystonya worse? My mind switches and stops and i am totally gone, i am like a little child, i can hear people talking but i have no idea what is going on, i can bately walk and don t know where inam what is happening Please have patience and read : a great Mental Health Care System indeed/Never been hospitalized prior to starting meds -Not sure all is accurate:2005 Diag. with major depression and anxiety after second birth -switched AD,getting worse (maybe:Celexa, Effexor, Wellbutrin-diagnosed with bp -Zyprexa, stopped it fast, got hosp.,Seroquel incr. at 300mg, wors. depr, akathisia bad, -changed dr.,dropped Seroquel 300mg to 100mg !!!- -new dr.got me off Seroquel in 1 mth at home!!Lamictal to help...getting worse,was also taking Clonazepam -severe muscle twiches, dp/dr,neck and shoulder muscles tight straight like cement, psychotic, bedridden for 1yr -Got put on Zoloft in the hosp.,and 3 mg of Clonazepam, "Stabilized" some after some months, 5-6, -Came off Zoloft by dropping some weekly, not knowing better!debilitating symptoms, got back on, tried to reduce Clonazepam after research.Prof. Ashton; hosp., asked dr. to follow Dr Ashton, he dropped 3 mg Clon. in One day!put on much less Valium...hysterical,pain,rage,couldn t breathe,akathisia etc etc -Zoloft up to 200mg!, hyperv. muscles tight like cement...my dr., on vacation!!Other dr red.zoloft, gave me Remeron Current meds:Buspirone 20mg,Tegretol200mg,Trazadone 50 mg,Clonaz. 3mg,Escital.15mg,Propran.20mg,Bupropr.150mg,Baclofen30mg,Gabapentin200mg, taken 4 times/day in various comb Link to comment
btdt Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 Other drugs can cause it... Many other drugs have been reported to cause acute dystonic reactions including anti-depressants of the type that inhibit the reuptake of serotonin, calcium antagonists (sometimes used to treat high blood pressure and angina), some anaesthetic agents, anticonvulsants such as carbamazepine and phenytoin and even illicit ... WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
Faithbarelysurviving Posted June 15, 2015 Author Share Posted June 15, 2015 And what the heck donI do ? When i told my doc in the hospital he got mad and said: so what does that mean? I was telling him about the neck : I cannot do anything about that . Well... F... You a...hole! That i am experiencing conversion disorder his andwer was? Is that so ? You screw me up wogh your "brilliant "mind as he is known to be and now i have conversion disorder and borderline perdonaloty fis snd what elde ? I stay in front of him with my moith moving, could not talk, and he is no clue or pretends he hss no clue . Devils! Please have patience and read : a great Mental Health Care System indeed/Never been hospitalized prior to starting meds -Not sure all is accurate:2005 Diag. with major depression and anxiety after second birth -switched AD,getting worse (maybe:Celexa, Effexor, Wellbutrin-diagnosed with bp -Zyprexa, stopped it fast, got hosp.,Seroquel incr. at 300mg, wors. depr, akathisia bad, -changed dr.,dropped Seroquel 300mg to 100mg !!!- -new dr.got me off Seroquel in 1 mth at home!!Lamictal to help...getting worse,was also taking Clonazepam -severe muscle twiches, dp/dr,neck and shoulder muscles tight straight like cement, psychotic, bedridden for 1yr -Got put on Zoloft in the hosp.,and 3 mg of Clonazepam, "Stabilized" some after some months, 5-6, -Came off Zoloft by dropping some weekly, not knowing better!debilitating symptoms, got back on, tried to reduce Clonazepam after research.Prof. Ashton; hosp., asked dr. to follow Dr Ashton, he dropped 3 mg Clon. in One day!put on much less Valium...hysterical,pain,rage,couldn t breathe,akathisia etc etc -Zoloft up to 200mg!, hyperv. muscles tight like cement...my dr., on vacation!!Other dr red.zoloft, gave me Remeron Current meds:Buspirone 20mg,Tegretol200mg,Trazadone 50 mg,Clonaz. 3mg,Escital.15mg,Propran.20mg,Bupropr.150mg,Baclofen30mg,Gabapentin200mg, taken 4 times/day in various comb Link to comment
Faithbarelysurviving Posted June 15, 2015 Author Share Posted June 15, 2015 I am tryimg to find relief I give you my word! But it s like being beaten constantly in the brain and you cant even breath anymore..literally. Ohhhhhhhh bresthe in and out, is hard to do it . Judt try to breathe Please have patience and read : a great Mental Health Care System indeed/Never been hospitalized prior to starting meds -Not sure all is accurate:2005 Diag. with major depression and anxiety after second birth -switched AD,getting worse (maybe:Celexa, Effexor, Wellbutrin-diagnosed with bp -Zyprexa, stopped it fast, got hosp.,Seroquel incr. at 300mg, wors. depr, akathisia bad, -changed dr.,dropped Seroquel 300mg to 100mg !!!- -new dr.got me off Seroquel in 1 mth at home!!Lamictal to help...getting worse,was also taking Clonazepam -severe muscle twiches, dp/dr,neck and shoulder muscles tight straight like cement, psychotic, bedridden for 1yr -Got put on Zoloft in the hosp.,and 3 mg of Clonazepam, "Stabilized" some after some months, 5-6, -Came off Zoloft by dropping some weekly, not knowing better!debilitating symptoms, got back on, tried to reduce Clonazepam after research.Prof. Ashton; hosp., asked dr. to follow Dr Ashton, he dropped 3 mg Clon. in One day!put on much less Valium...hysterical,pain,rage,couldn t breathe,akathisia etc etc -Zoloft up to 200mg!, hyperv. muscles tight like cement...my dr., on vacation!!Other dr red.zoloft, gave me Remeron Current meds:Buspirone 20mg,Tegretol200mg,Trazadone 50 mg,Clonaz. 3mg,Escital.15mg,Propran.20mg,Bupropr.150mg,Baclofen30mg,Gabapentin200mg, taken 4 times/day in various comb Link to comment
btdt Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 " experiencing conversion disorder his andwer" yep sound about right as to what you get from doctors here Others would call it a cop out or cover up or un recognized side effects but a rose by any other name still leaves you with these symptoms and getting beyond it is the only important thing... I don't know what to do about doctors.. I really don't some are waking up this one for instance.. http://www.ted.com/talks/ben_goldacre_what_doctors_don_t_know_about_the_drugs_they_prescribe?language=en he has some books too.. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=dystonia+surviving+antidepressants dystonia links here at SA WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
Faithbarelysurviving Posted June 15, 2015 Author Share Posted June 15, 2015 What to do about drs?? put them all in mental institution and drug their brains out! Sorry i think i am having adrenaline rush, constant fight or flight, i am ready to smash something.......In the hosp they were saying that it was my amygdala constantly in fight ot flight response.......thanks to their poisons.in other hospitalization "looking for help" the previous dr I had increases my Zoloft till i was hyperventilating like crszy, my muscles tight like Cement, i was telling him it was the Zoloft, to decrease the dosage....Nope... other dr came and finally reduced daying in high dosages can cause anxiety and hypdrventilation... Well a bit of a smarter one....and gave me remeron on top... Thank you very much, because they couldn t "stabilize me ....before saying well: if you are so smart why don t you make your own prescriptions I see you have a univerdity degree.....and i would tell them to their faces what these meds are doinh......I asked him woul you give these poisons to your child?? And he just stopped moving, serious as hell......hmmm , maybe you wouldn t... Please have patience and read : a great Mental Health Care System indeed/Never been hospitalized prior to starting meds -Not sure all is accurate:2005 Diag. with major depression and anxiety after second birth -switched AD,getting worse (maybe:Celexa, Effexor, Wellbutrin-diagnosed with bp -Zyprexa, stopped it fast, got hosp.,Seroquel incr. at 300mg, wors. depr, akathisia bad, -changed dr.,dropped Seroquel 300mg to 100mg !!!- -new dr.got me off Seroquel in 1 mth at home!!Lamictal to help...getting worse,was also taking Clonazepam -severe muscle twiches, dp/dr,neck and shoulder muscles tight straight like cement, psychotic, bedridden for 1yr -Got put on Zoloft in the hosp.,and 3 mg of Clonazepam, "Stabilized" some after some months, 5-6, -Came off Zoloft by dropping some weekly, not knowing better!debilitating symptoms, got back on, tried to reduce Clonazepam after research.Prof. Ashton; hosp., asked dr. to follow Dr Ashton, he dropped 3 mg Clon. in One day!put on much less Valium...hysterical,pain,rage,couldn t breathe,akathisia etc etc -Zoloft up to 200mg!, hyperv. muscles tight like cement...my dr., on vacation!!Other dr red.zoloft, gave me Remeron Current meds:Buspirone 20mg,Tegretol200mg,Trazadone 50 mg,Clonaz. 3mg,Escital.15mg,Propran.20mg,Bupropr.150mg,Baclofen30mg,Gabapentin200mg, taken 4 times/day in various comb Link to comment
Faithbarelysurviving Posted June 15, 2015 Author Share Posted June 15, 2015 Faith, can you tell us about your children, like how many, how old, what you love about them? Just tell us whatever helps, while you do exactly what Alto says. We will be witnesses to your courage and pain. I have two boys, soon to be 10 and 14. My youngest has the most curly ever, he looks like an angel.....but i can barely interact with him ....my husband takes care of everything ....my oldest wants so much to be a teenager, but i missed years of watching them grow due to my now so real chemical imbalance. Please have patience and read : a great Mental Health Care System indeed/Never been hospitalized prior to starting meds -Not sure all is accurate:2005 Diag. with major depression and anxiety after second birth -switched AD,getting worse (maybe:Celexa, Effexor, Wellbutrin-diagnosed with bp -Zyprexa, stopped it fast, got hosp.,Seroquel incr. at 300mg, wors. depr, akathisia bad, -changed dr.,dropped Seroquel 300mg to 100mg !!!- -new dr.got me off Seroquel in 1 mth at home!!Lamictal to help...getting worse,was also taking Clonazepam -severe muscle twiches, dp/dr,neck and shoulder muscles tight straight like cement, psychotic, bedridden for 1yr -Got put on Zoloft in the hosp.,and 3 mg of Clonazepam, "Stabilized" some after some months, 5-6, -Came off Zoloft by dropping some weekly, not knowing better!debilitating symptoms, got back on, tried to reduce Clonazepam after research.Prof. Ashton; hosp., asked dr. to follow Dr Ashton, he dropped 3 mg Clon. in One day!put on much less Valium...hysterical,pain,rage,couldn t breathe,akathisia etc etc -Zoloft up to 200mg!, hyperv. muscles tight like cement...my dr., on vacation!!Other dr red.zoloft, gave me Remeron Current meds:Buspirone 20mg,Tegretol200mg,Trazadone 50 mg,Clonaz. 3mg,Escital.15mg,Propran.20mg,Bupropr.150mg,Baclofen30mg,Gabapentin200mg, taken 4 times/day in various comb Link to comment
Martina23 Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 If your son is only 10 years old, than you have such a big motivation to get healthy. I am sure he would like to see his mami healthy. 05/2013 Lyrica 100 mg / per day for pain + PGAD resulting from caesarian delivery11/2014 started to taper: 50 mg per day/ for one week then c/tafter one month reinstated at 50 mg /per days of 10 July 2015 drug free- symptoms OCD Link to comment
Marta Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 chemical imbalance?!? I'm quite sure (correct me if I'm worng) it's more complicated......I've read that they still don't have understand a lot of our brain! 06/2012 - 02/2015 CIPRALEX 10 mg (for somatic abdominal pain + reflux) - prior to this NOT any significant episode of anxiety/depression on medication: emotional-sexual numbness, total inability to cry, +8 kg, fatigue -> abdominal pain gone 02/2015 - 1/04/2015 tapering from 10 mg to 0 mg doctor advised 05/05/2015 huge anxiety, burning skin sensation, panic, fear, not able to cry again, never-had-before insomnia, totally lost appetite, little loss of vision in one eye, sweating, chest pain, short breath, restlessness, accelerated heartbeat, mild akathisia legs-feet 30/05/2015 reinstated 8mg (I was suggested 5 mg here) middle 07/2015 general improving 10/2015 start disastrous too long taper 7mg 11/2015 6mg 12/2015 5mg 1/2016 4mg 2/2016 4mg 3/2016 3mg ->FAIL back to 4mg .... 8/2016 3mg 8/2017 2mg (short wave in summer '17) 8/2018 2mg stable 8/2019 1mg 1/2020 0.6 mg 1/APRIL/2020 0mg FREE! 7/2020 - 10/2020 MILD WAVE(mostly anxiety, poor sleep) 6/2021 - 9/2021 WAVE (anxiety, severe insomnia, total loss of appetite, deep depression, internal restlessness, anhedonia) 0.125g triazolam 2 times 18/03/2022 WAVE (anxiety, severe insomnia, total loss of appetite, PAIN in muscles and nerves, arms and right leg,cannot exercise,hard to walk) 0.125g triazolam 3 times 7/5 rein 0.1mg Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted June 15, 2015 Administrator Share Posted June 15, 2015 I think i may have dystonia or a type of neurologycal disorder...with my neck twiching, my head wably, then my neck tight puling up my spine, moving my tongue agaist my teeth, orthomandibular dystonia i think they call it.....they forced me to take antipsychotic meds in the hospital, criminals.....just like they lie and force so many other people. I take niacin and it helps sometimes, like a calming effect on my mind and my mood, i think i will continue to take it maybe in time will help neurologycally and my brain to maybe recover a little...I hope so I have a site About Movement disorders caused by drugs and orthomolecular trials with niacin and other vitamins such as manganese that might help..... I ll share it here and in the dystonia topics for reading if that is ok You are taking too many drugs and feeling adverse effects from them and their combination. Rather than looking up frightening descriptions of your condition and dwelling on them, please concentrate on coping with your symptoms day to day while you carefully lower your dosage. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Faithbarelysurviving Posted June 15, 2015 Author Share Posted June 15, 2015 Altostrata do you think i should try to teduce something else? God i can t take it anymore My akathisia and dystonia got really bad when they CT the valium and cut Gabapentin from 600mg to 300mg..... I was crazy, mentally and physically that eas last summer don t you think I am stll having prottacted withdrawals. So the vslium was 20mg taken off in maybe 6 mths all together... Oh God i feel i am dying . Now i am still crazy .... Please have patience and read : a great Mental Health Care System indeed/Never been hospitalized prior to starting meds -Not sure all is accurate:2005 Diag. with major depression and anxiety after second birth -switched AD,getting worse (maybe:Celexa, Effexor, Wellbutrin-diagnosed with bp -Zyprexa, stopped it fast, got hosp.,Seroquel incr. at 300mg, wors. depr, akathisia bad, -changed dr.,dropped Seroquel 300mg to 100mg !!!- -new dr.got me off Seroquel in 1 mth at home!!Lamictal to help...getting worse,was also taking Clonazepam -severe muscle twiches, dp/dr,neck and shoulder muscles tight straight like cement, psychotic, bedridden for 1yr -Got put on Zoloft in the hosp.,and 3 mg of Clonazepam, "Stabilized" some after some months, 5-6, -Came off Zoloft by dropping some weekly, not knowing better!debilitating symptoms, got back on, tried to reduce Clonazepam after research.Prof. Ashton; hosp., asked dr. to follow Dr Ashton, he dropped 3 mg Clon. in One day!put on much less Valium...hysterical,pain,rage,couldn t breathe,akathisia etc etc -Zoloft up to 200mg!, hyperv. muscles tight like cement...my dr., on vacation!!Other dr red.zoloft, gave me Remeron Current meds:Buspirone 20mg,Tegretol200mg,Trazadone 50 mg,Clonaz. 3mg,Escital.15mg,Propran.20mg,Bupropr.150mg,Baclofen30mg,Gabapentin200mg, taken 4 times/day in various comb Link to comment
Faithbarelysurviving Posted June 15, 2015 Author Share Posted June 15, 2015 I think i may have dystonia or a type of neurologycal disorder...with my neck twiching, my head wably, then my neck tight puling up my spine, moving my tongue agaist my teeth, orthomandibular dystonia i think they call it.....they forced me to take antipsychotic meds in the hospital, criminals.....just like they lie and force so many other people. I take niacin and it helps sometimes, like a calming effect on my mind and my mood, i think i will continue to take it maybe in time will help neurologycally and my brain to maybe recover a little...I hope so I have a site About Movement disorders caused by drugs and orthomolecular trials with niacin and other vitamins such as manganese that might help..... I ll share it here and in the dystonia topics for reading if that is ok You are taking too many drugs and feeling adverse effects from them and their combination. Rather than looking up frightening descriptions of your condition and dwelling on them, please concentrate on coping with your symptoms day to day while you carefully lower your dosage. My mind is going like crazy, my body is twisting I am crying, i am not lucid, my kids birthdays are coming and they will be at home, i ll be in mu room....i can t open my mouth,,,,my babies, they went through so much because of me....and still going, i do not have anywerr else to go my parents are in Europe , yhey wouldn t know how to help me, and i can t even travel....just go the bathroom, and in the jospital they will drug me more, or do fast withdtawls..... There is no wsy out Altostrata Please have patience and read : a great Mental Health Care System indeed/Never been hospitalized prior to starting meds -Not sure all is accurate:2005 Diag. with major depression and anxiety after second birth -switched AD,getting worse (maybe:Celexa, Effexor, Wellbutrin-diagnosed with bp -Zyprexa, stopped it fast, got hosp.,Seroquel incr. at 300mg, wors. depr, akathisia bad, -changed dr.,dropped Seroquel 300mg to 100mg !!!- -new dr.got me off Seroquel in 1 mth at home!!Lamictal to help...getting worse,was also taking Clonazepam -severe muscle twiches, dp/dr,neck and shoulder muscles tight straight like cement, psychotic, bedridden for 1yr -Got put on Zoloft in the hosp.,and 3 mg of Clonazepam, "Stabilized" some after some months, 5-6, -Came off Zoloft by dropping some weekly, not knowing better!debilitating symptoms, got back on, tried to reduce Clonazepam after research.Prof. Ashton; hosp., asked dr. to follow Dr Ashton, he dropped 3 mg Clon. in One day!put on much less Valium...hysterical,pain,rage,couldn t breathe,akathisia etc etc -Zoloft up to 200mg!, hyperv. muscles tight like cement...my dr., on vacation!!Other dr red.zoloft, gave me Remeron Current meds:Buspirone 20mg,Tegretol200mg,Trazadone 50 mg,Clonaz. 3mg,Escital.15mg,Propran.20mg,Bupropr.150mg,Baclofen30mg,Gabapentin200mg, taken 4 times/day in various comb Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted June 15, 2015 Administrator Share Posted June 15, 2015 Keep reducing buspirone as we have discussed and learn to take care of yourself. Posting over and over about how "there's no way" out is not taking care of yourself. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Faithbarelysurviving Posted June 15, 2015 Author Share Posted June 15, 2015 My husband ...why am I not doing the damn dishes why am i not cooking? He says because indon t want to why am i staying Please have patience and read : a great Mental Health Care System indeed/Never been hospitalized prior to starting meds -Not sure all is accurate:2005 Diag. with major depression and anxiety after second birth -switched AD,getting worse (maybe:Celexa, Effexor, Wellbutrin-diagnosed with bp -Zyprexa, stopped it fast, got hosp.,Seroquel incr. at 300mg, wors. depr, akathisia bad, -changed dr.,dropped Seroquel 300mg to 100mg !!!- -new dr.got me off Seroquel in 1 mth at home!!Lamictal to help...getting worse,was also taking Clonazepam -severe muscle twiches, dp/dr,neck and shoulder muscles tight straight like cement, psychotic, bedridden for 1yr -Got put on Zoloft in the hosp.,and 3 mg of Clonazepam, "Stabilized" some after some months, 5-6, -Came off Zoloft by dropping some weekly, not knowing better!debilitating symptoms, got back on, tried to reduce Clonazepam after research.Prof. Ashton; hosp., asked dr. to follow Dr Ashton, he dropped 3 mg Clon. in One day!put on much less Valium...hysterical,pain,rage,couldn t breathe,akathisia etc etc -Zoloft up to 200mg!, hyperv. muscles tight like cement...my dr., on vacation!!Other dr red.zoloft, gave me Remeron Current meds:Buspirone 20mg,Tegretol200mg,Trazadone 50 mg,Clonaz. 3mg,Escital.15mg,Propran.20mg,Bupropr.150mg,Baclofen30mg,Gabapentin200mg, taken 4 times/day in various comb Link to comment
Faithbarelysurviving Posted June 15, 2015 Author Share Posted June 15, 2015 How can i tak care of myself when my myond and body ar screed up and mu husband if takes a look at me in stsying in bed , why am i not up why am i mot wasing the dishes....i am shaking again can t breathe i don t onow things that sre hapening around me , my kids i don t know when they ar coming from school can t feed them can t take care of them...I wish everything that happens to me on my husband ....if he seeys you dead in front of him he doesn t believe you. I am just writing you incannot move inam just crying, my toes keep jumping i cannot stand. ... damn life. How the hell can I wash the dishecif i cannot standup, mu body is lile jello? Inmust have been s really horrible person before to be torturd like that ... Please have patience and read : a great Mental Health Care System indeed/Never been hospitalized prior to starting meds -Not sure all is accurate:2005 Diag. with major depression and anxiety after second birth -switched AD,getting worse (maybe:Celexa, Effexor, Wellbutrin-diagnosed with bp -Zyprexa, stopped it fast, got hosp.,Seroquel incr. at 300mg, wors. depr, akathisia bad, -changed dr.,dropped Seroquel 300mg to 100mg !!!- -new dr.got me off Seroquel in 1 mth at home!!Lamictal to help...getting worse,was also taking Clonazepam -severe muscle twiches, dp/dr,neck and shoulder muscles tight straight like cement, psychotic, bedridden for 1yr -Got put on Zoloft in the hosp.,and 3 mg of Clonazepam, "Stabilized" some after some months, 5-6, -Came off Zoloft by dropping some weekly, not knowing better!debilitating symptoms, got back on, tried to reduce Clonazepam after research.Prof. Ashton; hosp., asked dr. to follow Dr Ashton, he dropped 3 mg Clon. in One day!put on much less Valium...hysterical,pain,rage,couldn t breathe,akathisia etc etc -Zoloft up to 200mg!, hyperv. muscles tight like cement...my dr., on vacation!!Other dr red.zoloft, gave me Remeron Current meds:Buspirone 20mg,Tegretol200mg,Trazadone 50 mg,Clonaz. 3mg,Escital.15mg,Propran.20mg,Bupropr.150mg,Baclofen30mg,Gabapentin200mg, taken 4 times/day in various comb Link to comment
Faithbarelysurviving Posted June 15, 2015 Author Share Posted June 15, 2015 I am so sorry for using such words....I wasn t like that I am sure, I always asked my husband not to swear, especially after we had childrn....I just never liked it....but in these circumstances ...... Thank you Altostrata, you are right about taking care of me, I guess I never had, it was taking care of other while I was getting sicker... And everybodyelse is fine, and i am ....... But right now all i can do is endure the hell....With no help whatsoever Please have patience and read : a great Mental Health Care System indeed/Never been hospitalized prior to starting meds -Not sure all is accurate:2005 Diag. with major depression and anxiety after second birth -switched AD,getting worse (maybe:Celexa, Effexor, Wellbutrin-diagnosed with bp -Zyprexa, stopped it fast, got hosp.,Seroquel incr. at 300mg, wors. depr, akathisia bad, -changed dr.,dropped Seroquel 300mg to 100mg !!!- -new dr.got me off Seroquel in 1 mth at home!!Lamictal to help...getting worse,was also taking Clonazepam -severe muscle twiches, dp/dr,neck and shoulder muscles tight straight like cement, psychotic, bedridden for 1yr -Got put on Zoloft in the hosp.,and 3 mg of Clonazepam, "Stabilized" some after some months, 5-6, -Came off Zoloft by dropping some weekly, not knowing better!debilitating symptoms, got back on, tried to reduce Clonazepam after research.Prof. Ashton; hosp., asked dr. to follow Dr Ashton, he dropped 3 mg Clon. in One day!put on much less Valium...hysterical,pain,rage,couldn t breathe,akathisia etc etc -Zoloft up to 200mg!, hyperv. muscles tight like cement...my dr., on vacation!!Other dr red.zoloft, gave me Remeron Current meds:Buspirone 20mg,Tegretol200mg,Trazadone 50 mg,Clonaz. 3mg,Escital.15mg,Propran.20mg,Bupropr.150mg,Baclofen30mg,Gabapentin200mg, taken 4 times/day in various comb Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted June 15, 2015 Administrator Share Posted June 15, 2015 You need to find the strength within yourself to take care of yourself. No one else can do this for you, or for anyone else on this site. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
btdt Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 I have this idea that you have times of the day where you are better than other times. I don't know if it is true it just seems like that maybe a paper with a note to yourself where you can keep track it may help in some way.. one I can't guess as of now. Do you kids come home from shool everyday from school and go to your room to see you? I know your in bed most of the time are there anythings that are the same everyday a routine of any kind? WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
Muddles Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 God - I'm so sorry this has happened to you. You need to get off those meds - but in the right way. I know how hard this is with children; my god, my heart breaks for you. I can relate to so much and I'm so, so sorry. Just know that it will get better. This is not your fault. 2008 - Doctors appointment with stress induced anxiety led to Citalopram prescription. Severe adverse reaction Mirtazapine prescribed - adverse reaction but told to stay on. Poop out - December 2013 15mg Currently on 13.5mg, April 12mg May 10th - 11mg June 10th - 10mg July 8th - 9mg September - 0mg Link to comment
Faithbarelysurviving Posted June 16, 2015 Author Share Posted June 16, 2015 I am too damaged, i am crying I don t understand things so much physical pain and mind is out of control, i am not talking right to my kids, i am so suicidal and angry. If i am repeating myself i am sorry i can barely function mentally, i don t knoe how I take these poisons without any help. All I want this moment is to die. Please have patience and read : a great Mental Health Care System indeed/Never been hospitalized prior to starting meds -Not sure all is accurate:2005 Diag. with major depression and anxiety after second birth -switched AD,getting worse (maybe:Celexa, Effexor, Wellbutrin-diagnosed with bp -Zyprexa, stopped it fast, got hosp.,Seroquel incr. at 300mg, wors. depr, akathisia bad, -changed dr.,dropped Seroquel 300mg to 100mg !!!- -new dr.got me off Seroquel in 1 mth at home!!Lamictal to help...getting worse,was also taking Clonazepam -severe muscle twiches, dp/dr,neck and shoulder muscles tight straight like cement, psychotic, bedridden for 1yr -Got put on Zoloft in the hosp.,and 3 mg of Clonazepam, "Stabilized" some after some months, 5-6, -Came off Zoloft by dropping some weekly, not knowing better!debilitating symptoms, got back on, tried to reduce Clonazepam after research.Prof. Ashton; hosp., asked dr. to follow Dr Ashton, he dropped 3 mg Clon. in One day!put on much less Valium...hysterical,pain,rage,couldn t breathe,akathisia etc etc -Zoloft up to 200mg!, hyperv. muscles tight like cement...my dr., on vacation!!Other dr red.zoloft, gave me Remeron Current meds:Buspirone 20mg,Tegretol200mg,Trazadone 50 mg,Clonaz. 3mg,Escital.15mg,Propran.20mg,Bupropr.150mg,Baclofen30mg,Gabapentin200mg, taken 4 times/day in various comb Link to comment
Faithbarelysurviving Posted June 16, 2015 Author Share Posted June 16, 2015 I have this idea that you have times of the day where you are better than other times. I don't know if it is true it just seems like that maybe a paper with a note to yourself where you can keep track it may help in some way.. one I can't guess as of now. Do you kids come home from shool everyday from school and go to your room to see you? I know your in bed most of the time are there anythings that are the same everyday a routine of any kind? I don t know i have any idea about day or night, i am just breathing here in bed can t stand anything, can t see well, my thing understanding is gone, i think i am not killing myself because i can t mentally function to do it. Please have patience and read : a great Mental Health Care System indeed/Never been hospitalized prior to starting meds -Not sure all is accurate:2005 Diag. with major depression and anxiety after second birth -switched AD,getting worse (maybe:Celexa, Effexor, Wellbutrin-diagnosed with bp -Zyprexa, stopped it fast, got hosp.,Seroquel incr. at 300mg, wors. depr, akathisia bad, -changed dr.,dropped Seroquel 300mg to 100mg !!!- -new dr.got me off Seroquel in 1 mth at home!!Lamictal to help...getting worse,was also taking Clonazepam -severe muscle twiches, dp/dr,neck and shoulder muscles tight straight like cement, psychotic, bedridden for 1yr -Got put on Zoloft in the hosp.,and 3 mg of Clonazepam, "Stabilized" some after some months, 5-6, -Came off Zoloft by dropping some weekly, not knowing better!debilitating symptoms, got back on, tried to reduce Clonazepam after research.Prof. Ashton; hosp., asked dr. to follow Dr Ashton, he dropped 3 mg Clon. in One day!put on much less Valium...hysterical,pain,rage,couldn t breathe,akathisia etc etc -Zoloft up to 200mg!, hyperv. muscles tight like cement...my dr., on vacation!!Other dr red.zoloft, gave me Remeron Current meds:Buspirone 20mg,Tegretol200mg,Trazadone 50 mg,Clonaz. 3mg,Escital.15mg,Propran.20mg,Bupropr.150mg,Baclofen30mg,Gabapentin200mg, taken 4 times/day in various comb Link to comment
Faithbarelysurviving Posted June 16, 2015 Author Share Posted June 16, 2015 God - I'm so sorry this has happened to you. You need to get off those meds - but in the right way. I know how hard this is with children; my god, my heart breaks for you. I can relate to so much and I'm so, so sorry. Just know that it will get better. This is not your fault. Your words are soothing. Blessings Please have patience and read : a great Mental Health Care System indeed/Never been hospitalized prior to starting meds -Not sure all is accurate:2005 Diag. with major depression and anxiety after second birth -switched AD,getting worse (maybe:Celexa, Effexor, Wellbutrin-diagnosed with bp -Zyprexa, stopped it fast, got hosp.,Seroquel incr. at 300mg, wors. depr, akathisia bad, -changed dr.,dropped Seroquel 300mg to 100mg !!!- -new dr.got me off Seroquel in 1 mth at home!!Lamictal to help...getting worse,was also taking Clonazepam -severe muscle twiches, dp/dr,neck and shoulder muscles tight straight like cement, psychotic, bedridden for 1yr -Got put on Zoloft in the hosp.,and 3 mg of Clonazepam, "Stabilized" some after some months, 5-6, -Came off Zoloft by dropping some weekly, not knowing better!debilitating symptoms, got back on, tried to reduce Clonazepam after research.Prof. Ashton; hosp., asked dr. to follow Dr Ashton, he dropped 3 mg Clon. in One day!put on much less Valium...hysterical,pain,rage,couldn t breathe,akathisia etc etc -Zoloft up to 200mg!, hyperv. muscles tight like cement...my dr., on vacation!!Other dr red.zoloft, gave me Remeron Current meds:Buspirone 20mg,Tegretol200mg,Trazadone 50 mg,Clonaz. 3mg,Escital.15mg,Propran.20mg,Bupropr.150mg,Baclofen30mg,Gabapentin200mg, taken 4 times/day in various comb Link to comment
Flowers Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 I am so sorry for you - you are suffering so much. I think btdt has good suggestions. Is there just one little thing that you feel well enough to do? Do you feel you could maybe start writing a diary of how you feel and when your symptoms are worse, what your worries are each day etc? Sometimes putting it all down can help clear the mind a little. Are you able to have any routine each day? Maybe have breakfast at the same time and then have a shower if you could manage it. Can your husband help you with this? None of this is easy I know. I could barely stand or walk a few months ago so know how hard it can be. 15 yrs on 20 to 30 mgs CITALOPRAM. MAY 2014 Increased to 40 mgs per day.SEPT/NOV 2014 tapered in 6 weeks down to 10 mgs as per Dr instructions due to violent nightmares/palpitations.Given Noctamid (lormetazepam) to help with anxiety. On average took 2mg per day for 8 weeks.No taper was advised.DEC 2014 WD severe. Nervous tic in eyes and limbs, muscle pain,fluct temp, weakness, dep and anxiety, nausea, giddy, unstable when walking. Different Dr suggested taking 20mgs CIT. BROMAZEPAM 3mgs up to 3 x daily for anxiety.DEC 9 2014 Updose CIT to 30mgs. Only taking BROMAZEPAM in emergency.DEC 31 2014 Settling at 30mg CIT - helping with depression. No Brom for 2wks.Found SA.APR 2015 Trying to stabilise on 30mgs CIT. JAN 2016 Started Cit Taper reducing by 5% per month. 28.5 mgs FEB Taper held bereavement. APR Taper resumed 27mgs . MAY 25.50 mgs . JUNE 24 mgs . JULY I stupidly mixed up my BP meds with CIT. Consequently took no CIT for 3 days and doubled my BP meds. Waiting for the fallout....Holding for a while until any chance of repercussions have abated. SEPT taper resumed to 22.5 mgs . OCT 21 mgs .NOV 19.95 mgs DEC crashed. 2017: FEB 3rd updose to 20.5 mgs to try to stabilise.FEB.switched over to 75mgs of Venlafaxine XR for 3 weeks.Too stimulating so switching back to Cit. 12 March 37.5 Ven and 20 Cit. 21 March 18mg Ven 20mg Cit. 4 April 9mg Ven 20mg Cit. Xanax .50mg when needed. 13 April 0 mgs Ven, 20mg Citalopram. Xanax .50 mg per day. 5 May reinstated a small amount of Ven to stabilize 1 mg twice a day. 20 mg Citalopram at night. Xanax .25 mg twice per day.Other Meds: Losartan (BP)Started 1993 at 50 mgs at night. Seretide (Asthma) Started 1996 at 1 puff twice a day. Jan 2019 Antibiotic Ceclor 500mgs twice a day for bronchitis and Atrovent 2ml capsules twice a day for asthma. Finished the course of both Jan 17. XANAX Jan 27 - Feb 3 2019 Failed Valium Crossover. Feb 14 2019 Updosed Xanax by .0625 Feb 17 2019 Decreased Xanax by .0625. Back to .50mg daily. Update Xanax 28.2.20 tapered to .1250 mg 8am .25 mg midnight. Update Xanax 11.8.21 tapered to .25 mg at night. Current Meds 28.2.19: CITALOPRAM 20mg taken at midnight. VENLAFAXINE .9 mg twice a day at 8am and 10pm. XANAX .50 mg split into 4 doses per day. 10am .0625mg / 2pm .1250mg/ 6pm .0625mg / midnight .25mg.Update 10.8.22 .25 mg at night. LOSARTAN 50 mgs taken at midnight. SERETIDE 1 puff taken at 8am and 10pm. 7.7.19 VENLAFAXINE UPDATE: Started tapering 10% every 4 weeks. Currently .4 mg twice a day at 8am and 10 pm. 2.9.19 .36 mg x 2. 1.10.19 .32 mg x 2. 26.11.19 .29 mg x2. 26.12.19 .26 mg x 2. 23.1.20 .23 mg x 2. 20.2.20 .21 mg x2.20.3.20 .19 mg x 2. 21.4.20 .17 mg x 2. 19.5.20 .13 mg x 2. 18.6.20 .11mg x 2 .18.7.20.10 mg x 2.1.9.20.09 mg x 2. 30.9. 20 .08 mg x 2. 1.11.20 .07 mg x 2. 2.12.20 .06 mg x 2. 8.1.21 .05 mg x 2. 4.2.21 .04 mg x 2. 9.3.21 .03 mgx2. 7.4.21 .02 mg x 2. 9.5.21 .01 mg x 2. 21.6.21 .01 mg x 1. 11.8.21 ZERO! Link to comment
bluebalu86 Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Faith, If you cannot write in a diary, it might help to try an audio diary? Just to record how you feel and what your symptoms are on your phone. I'm guessing your phone has a recording option? Why not a video diary? When I feel like I cannot write I do those two. If we can identify some sort of pattern to how you're feeling each day it will help. Stay strong honey, I know you're very confused and scared. Just hold on and decrease those meds. Things will start to lift for you. I suffer from depression, anxiety, pure-o ocd, and panic attacks since 2004. Been on multiple different psychiatric drugs since 2006. Never had a significant WD problem before, only brain zaps for a month and then I'd be fine...............Been on Cipralex (escitalopram) 15 mg and Fluanxol (flupentixol) 1 mg since Sep 2014. Stopped taking the Cipralex after a fast 20-day taper.Took the last 5 mg Cipralex on Feb 5th, 2015. Then took Seroxat (paroxetine) 10 mg for a week, and stopped it too. Severe WD started suddenly on Feb 16th. RI 5 mg Cipralex on Feb 18th, 2015. RI worked and was relatively stable for a while................April 7 - decreased Fluanxol from 1 mg to 0.5 mg and took it at this dose for a week. - BIG MISTAKE; April 13 - WD starts creeping in; April 14 - RI full dose of Fluanxol 1 mg => severe muscle twitching and jerking when trying to relax and fall asleep, overwhelming sense of doom, dread, terror, and horror, insomnia, hoping to stabilize.Tried doing a 10% cut off Fluanxol in the end of May for a few days, but quickly updosed to full dose because the twitching returned.Experiencing waves and windows in the following months.Unsuccessful brief taper attempt of Fluanxol by 5% on November 1st. Symptoms hit the next day. Too scared to continue tapering, reinstate full dose.Severe crash in November after stupidly trying a barbiturate on November 9th. Grave mistake. Sense of unshakable inescapable internal torture, like my soul is in hell being tortured, terror/horror/dread/doom (probably akathisia?) that gets especially bad when trying to relax and fall asleep, muscles twitch, jerk and move on their own, shaking, insomnia, can't eat, confusion, disorientation, brain not working normally. Never felt so bad in my entire life. Never experiment with other meds while in WD! Praying to God I stabilize and get back to my baseline.December - things getting even worse. January - unbearable suffering Link to comment
Faithbarelysurviving Posted June 17, 2015 Author Share Posted June 17, 2015 I am so sorry for you - you are suffering so much. I think btdt has good suggestions. Is there just one little thing that you feel well enough to do? Do you feel you could maybe start writing a diary of how you feel and when your symptoms are worse, what your worries are each day etc? Sometimes putting it all down can help clear the mind a little. Are you able to have any routine each day? Maybe have breakfast at the same time and then have a shower if you could manage it. Can your husband help you with this? None of this is easy I know. I could barely stand or walk a few months ago so know how hard it can be. No i cannot do anything, my mental statuses I think they are changing continuously, now i have akathisiia need to pace through the hall my neck is like almost breaking from being pulled back jaws clenced it hurts so bad tongue against teeth head pressure bad bad, mind racing racing and dark dark mind thoughts, like attacks of probably akathisia dystonya i don t know what is happening to me but i think i do sleep at night i don t know how, i might wake up i have no idea but i think the moment i wake up in the morning all hell breaks loose. No there is no relief or somethink to make me feel better i think maybe i died and am in hell Anger and mean all extremely irrational i am sure, like a monster that only wants to hurt to fight to smash something. Shower i think is not too often, no schedule possible, God knows how i wake up in the morning, irritable, angry!!! vibrating inside, unaware of what is happening, can t stay and eat breakfast, can t take any stimulation i put my pillow on my head , i think that is how i sleep too, no memory of "yesterday "or of earlier " today" i don t know what this ...psychosis, delirium, serotonin syndrome or insanity or all of them. I don t know but in the hospital they will drug me more, my dr offered to give me an antypsychotic... Or they will take away from meds with no tapering and they will say i am nuts which maybe i am and take away my kids....and torture me... Please pray for me Please have patience and read : a great Mental Health Care System indeed/Never been hospitalized prior to starting meds -Not sure all is accurate:2005 Diag. with major depression and anxiety after second birth -switched AD,getting worse (maybe:Celexa, Effexor, Wellbutrin-diagnosed with bp -Zyprexa, stopped it fast, got hosp.,Seroquel incr. at 300mg, wors. depr, akathisia bad, -changed dr.,dropped Seroquel 300mg to 100mg !!!- -new dr.got me off Seroquel in 1 mth at home!!Lamictal to help...getting worse,was also taking Clonazepam -severe muscle twiches, dp/dr,neck and shoulder muscles tight straight like cement, psychotic, bedridden for 1yr -Got put on Zoloft in the hosp.,and 3 mg of Clonazepam, "Stabilized" some after some months, 5-6, -Came off Zoloft by dropping some weekly, not knowing better!debilitating symptoms, got back on, tried to reduce Clonazepam after research.Prof. Ashton; hosp., asked dr. to follow Dr Ashton, he dropped 3 mg Clon. in One day!put on much less Valium...hysterical,pain,rage,couldn t breathe,akathisia etc etc -Zoloft up to 200mg!, hyperv. muscles tight like cement...my dr., on vacation!!Other dr red.zoloft, gave me Remeron Current meds:Buspirone 20mg,Tegretol200mg,Trazadone 50 mg,Clonaz. 3mg,Escital.15mg,Propran.20mg,Bupropr.150mg,Baclofen30mg,Gabapentin200mg, taken 4 times/day in various comb Link to comment
Faithbarelysurviving Posted June 17, 2015 Author Share Posted June 17, 2015 Faith, If you cannot write in a diary, it might help to try an audio diary? Just to record how you feel and what your symptoms are on your phone. I'm guessing your phone has a recording option? Why not a video diary? When I feel like I cannot write I do those two. If we can identify some sort of pattern to how you're feeling each day it will help. Stay strong honey, I know you're very confused and scared. Just hold on and decrease those meds. Things will start to lift for you. I cannot speak Blu...i can barely speak... i am clenched and if i can speak i have no power of voice or can t find words...everything that i feel i write here when i can many times i cannot do anything at all just stay with my pillow on my head because of what i feel inside my head and stimuli of any kind . Take a bottle of water in my room and i eat a sandwich if i can make it and if i can eat anything because of my hurting teeth tight jaw or can t stay on my my feet don t know even where i am I am trying i cannot do more than this i am very incapacitated i thinkis the word. I may speak a little with my kids or just kiss them but i am in my own world and i cannot handle anything, maybe i have moments just moments when i get a bit of relief or maybe is just a fake feeling.... Please have patience and read : a great Mental Health Care System indeed/Never been hospitalized prior to starting meds -Not sure all is accurate:2005 Diag. with major depression and anxiety after second birth -switched AD,getting worse (maybe:Celexa, Effexor, Wellbutrin-diagnosed with bp -Zyprexa, stopped it fast, got hosp.,Seroquel incr. at 300mg, wors. depr, akathisia bad, -changed dr.,dropped Seroquel 300mg to 100mg !!!- -new dr.got me off Seroquel in 1 mth at home!!Lamictal to help...getting worse,was also taking Clonazepam -severe muscle twiches, dp/dr,neck and shoulder muscles tight straight like cement, psychotic, bedridden for 1yr -Got put on Zoloft in the hosp.,and 3 mg of Clonazepam, "Stabilized" some after some months, 5-6, -Came off Zoloft by dropping some weekly, not knowing better!debilitating symptoms, got back on, tried to reduce Clonazepam after research.Prof. Ashton; hosp., asked dr. to follow Dr Ashton, he dropped 3 mg Clon. in One day!put on much less Valium...hysterical,pain,rage,couldn t breathe,akathisia etc etc -Zoloft up to 200mg!, hyperv. muscles tight like cement...my dr., on vacation!!Other dr red.zoloft, gave me Remeron Current meds:Buspirone 20mg,Tegretol200mg,Trazadone 50 mg,Clonaz. 3mg,Escital.15mg,Propran.20mg,Bupropr.150mg,Baclofen30mg,Gabapentin200mg, taken 4 times/day in various comb Link to comment
btdt Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 I wish I could find some words to help you I just don't seem to have any. I have had times like this where I just stayed in my room day after day a lot of it is a blur now and I could not see well enough to type at that time so I was alone isolated ... the time was painful I am still amazed I survived it as I had some doubts. I do recall putting tin foil on the windows and using ear plugs..I know not much in the way of advice.. the ear plugs made my ears sore to I traded up to the old fashioned head phones the kind with a lot of sponge padding. I am glad your eating that is important. I was like this before I went off drugs and after I quit. Both sucked. I can't rely on my memory of it now well enough to help you thru it like I said it;s now a big blur, but I sure know it when I see it... It is particularly saddening not to recall my own life.. but there are times in there I could not tell you what was going on.. I was just in bed. I don't know that this will be of any use to you.. and may erase it I am trying it on to figure it out. I don't want to hurt you even more or confuse you more by the telling of my truth that you may read some advice in when that is not my intent at all... I would never tell a person to go off drugs cold turkey yet that is what I did.. as I felt trapped and did not know what was ahead of me by going off .. short version.. I have no advice this is just what I did.. the fact that I survived may or may not be a miracle but it sure feels like it was. I am hoping this gets better as time goes on and some how you miss getting protracted withdrawal. Again I don't know if there is anything useful in this post or not... I am just sharing something truthful as I don't know what else to say... and I wish you peace WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus JanCarol Posted June 17, 2015 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted June 17, 2015 Hey Faith - you may not believe it, but you do seem better from when you first arrived in here. I have a few things to say, and I realize you are on a phone - so I will break it up into tiny bite sized pieces, as best I can. You keep talking about the horror of your condition - but you continue to draw conclusions about "damage" and "forever" that are not helping you: How would I know if inam delusional versus delirious versus psychotic . . . severe protracted withdrawal . . . i am not human anymore. . . . When i first came on this site, Iwas in withdrawal from Buspar and I couldn t tKe it anymore because i am soooo sensitive so I went back on one piece. -horrible irritability and aggression -agitation(Aksthisia mind and body) -tremor -abdominal cramps close to fainting of the sharpnrss of pain -muscles jumping all over my body -neck twiches my head switched to right or lrft involuntary -vomiting in my bed, sweating, delusional -flu like -couldn t move my head -head pain horrible -mind retarted, could not walk, eat or drink, thoght I was talking to the President and he gave me his car etc -mind racing and changing constantly like switching tv chanels without stopping and all the channels are malffunctioning -dizzines, rolling my eyes, in bed no shower nothing, brainzaps So it is withdrawal from buspirone....God have mercy... Pasted from <http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/8945-faithbarelysurviving-too-damaged/page-7> Alto said: Whether you also have withdrawal syndrome or anything else, it's impossible to say and I add to your question - is this withdrawal from busprione? It can be - OR side effects from drug contraindications. Really it is too early to be drawing a long bow of conclusions. Like "brain damage" or any of the other negative conclusions your brain seems to be leading you to. Think of your brain as a little child, leading you down the garden path. Sometimes it is about nightmare shadows and fear, sometimes it is about pain, sometimes it is the absence of any emotion - always it is pre-verbal. Putting labels on it only puts you in cubbyholes and labels that may not apply 6 months, 6 years from now. The magic word is: Neuroplasticity. My husband had a stroke. Imagine your brain with a golf ball sized blood clot in it - and that much of your brain is dead. Yes, it was difficult for him to learn to speak again, and he still struggles with speech and language and word and meaning. And it is hard - so hard - to be patient with him. Until I think about the hole in his brain, and how hard he works, and just how amazing his recovery AROUND that hole was. The hole is still there - and yet he walks and talks and works and solves problems. Not as well as he used to - but far, far better than he could the day after his stroke! Your brain damage is not so visible, we might be able to see something on an MRI, maybe not. But be patient with your brain - it can and will rebuild, it is designed to do that. And this may sound all new-agey and stuff - but it HELPS if you BELIEVE it can happen. (likewise, it is HARDER if you insist it is "evil" and "bad" and "forever" and "damaged" and all the words I see so often on your page) I'll come back in a minute with more..... "Easy, easy - just go easy and you'll finish." - Hawaiian Kapuna Holding is hard work, holding is a blessing. Give your brain time to heal before you try again. My suggestions are not medical advice, you are in charge of your own medical choices. A lifetime of being prescribed antidepressants that caused problems (30 years in total). At age 35 flipped to "bipolar," but was not diagnosed for 5 years. Started my journey in Midwest United States. Crossed the Pacific for love and hope; currently living in Australia. CT Seroquel 25 mg some time in 2013. Tapered Reboxetine 4 mg Oct 2013 to Sept 2014 = GONE (3 years on Reboxetine). Tapered Lithium 900 to 475 MG (alternating with the SNRI) Jan 2014 - Nov 2014, tapered Lithium 475 mg Jan 2015 - Feb 2016 = GONE (10 years on Lithium). Many mistakes in dry cutting dosages were made. The tedious thread (my intro): JanCarol ☼ Reboxetine first, then Lithium The happy thread (my success story): JanCarol - Undiagnosed Off all bipolar drugs My own blog: https://shamanexplorations.com/shamans-blog/ I have been psych drug FREE since 1 Feb 2016! Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus JanCarol Posted June 17, 2015 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted June 17, 2015 MeiMei said it really well when she said this: whatever circuits you run in your mind will get stronger, so making more pleasant circuits stronger is an option that we all benefit from laying hold of when we can Btdt has tried to guide you in a similar direction with the EFT. I'm encouraged that EFT helped you. Do you do it every day? How much freedom does it give you? Does it give you 30% relief for 15 minutes? 50% relieve for 5 minutes? Maybe only 5% relief for 1 minute? Then that is good! (I made those numbers up, you would have a better idea how much relief you are getting) If you can do EFT at all, you are doing very well. Some people in here have been too sick to do EFT. Some of us find that it doesn't help, others of us have found it stimulating and triggering. So be thankful that you have found a tool. I would like to challenge you to look for other tools. Start here, and surf around until you find what appeals to you: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1112-non-drug-techniques-to-cope-with-emotional-symptoms/ Maybe you will find a gentle yoga restorative position (my favorite is lying on the floor, legs up on the wall in a gentle "V") that feels good, or perhaps a magnesium bath (showers are sometimes too shocking when symptoms are as severe as yours), or wearing an eye pillow in bed to soften the pressure your brain is under (I keep my eye pillow in the freezer - the herbs don't freeze, but it makes the eye pillow cool and soothing). Maybe you will find a soothing soundtrack or video that you like to repeat, over and over, like BTDT said. It is okay to soothe yourself. It is okay to distract yourself. It is okay to do things that are pleasurable to you. Give yourself permission to nurture yourself, to nourish yourself, to soothe yourself, to comfort yourself, and maybe that little child which is your upset brain right now - will settle down some. If you imagine your poor abused brain is a child - would you call it names ("damaged") or thump on it or beat it? Or, if it were a child, or a baby animal - would you cuddle it, and coo to it, and help it to not feel so restless and upset? How would you soothe a child or baby animal? Consider doing that for yourself, for your brain, for your nervous system. There's more, I'll be back. "Easy, easy - just go easy and you'll finish." - Hawaiian Kapuna Holding is hard work, holding is a blessing. Give your brain time to heal before you try again. My suggestions are not medical advice, you are in charge of your own medical choices. A lifetime of being prescribed antidepressants that caused problems (30 years in total). At age 35 flipped to "bipolar," but was not diagnosed for 5 years. Started my journey in Midwest United States. Crossed the Pacific for love and hope; currently living in Australia. CT Seroquel 25 mg some time in 2013. Tapered Reboxetine 4 mg Oct 2013 to Sept 2014 = GONE (3 years on Reboxetine). Tapered Lithium 900 to 475 MG (alternating with the SNRI) Jan 2014 - Nov 2014, tapered Lithium 475 mg Jan 2015 - Feb 2016 = GONE (10 years on Lithium). Many mistakes in dry cutting dosages were made. The tedious thread (my intro): JanCarol ☼ Reboxetine first, then Lithium The happy thread (my success story): JanCarol - Undiagnosed Off all bipolar drugs My own blog: https://shamanexplorations.com/shamans-blog/ I have been psych drug FREE since 1 Feb 2016! Link to comment
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