btdt Posted June 13, 2015 Author Share Posted June 13, 2015 Betalains[edit] Betacyanins betanin - beets, chard isobetanin - beets, chard probetanin - beets, chard neobetanin - beets, chard Betaxanthins (non glycosidic versions) Indicaxanthin - beets, sicilian prickly pear Vulgaxanthin - beets It seems nothing can replace a beet... when I had a drug interaction between effexor and a ppi.. I craved beets and ate a soup pot full would not share and no it was not my house... I did not care I needed them. Follow your cravings.... you body knows stuff. from this site https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_phytochemicals_in_food List of phytochemicals in food WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted June 13, 2015 Author Share Posted June 13, 2015 ACAI berries have this Pterostilbene Pterostilbene is a stilbenoid chemically related to resveratrol. It has phytoalexin activity Based on animal studies it is thought to exhibit anti-cancer, anti-hypercholesterolemia, anti-hypertriglyceridemia properties, as well as the ability to fight off and reverse cognitive decline. It is believed that the compound also has anti-diabetic properties, but so far very little has been studied on this issue. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pterostilbene One human study lower blood pressure slight weight loss. Toxicity[edit] Pterostilbene is not known to be toxic to humans.[4] There is some anecdotal evidence that doses of 200–250 mg or more at once may induce temporary hypoglycemia in normal individuals it did not make the wiki list but I am sure of the previous source they are likely just behind Stilbenoids[edit] Resveratrol – grape skins and seeds, wine, nuts, peanuts, Japanese Knotweed root Pterostilbene – grapes, blueberries Piceatannol – grapes Pinosylvin Diabetes[edit]Pterocarpus marsupium, a tree that contains high levels of pterostilbene in its heartwood, has also showed an anti-diabetic effect in humans, with 67% of participants in a clinical study obtaining control of their blood sugar levels after 12 weeks and an average drop of 32 mg/dl in fasting blood glucose levels.[22] WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted June 14, 2015 Author Share Posted June 14, 2015 Is anyone still with me? I know it is a lot but I have to do this sort of then when my brain will work ... I don't know how long it will last. Sorry if it is too much I think it is all important or I would not bother putting it here. I have had many wild goose chases in 7 years and have taken other on some wild rides as I tried to heal myself, if you have been around a long time you know this already. However today I found there is a link to thiamine deficiency and antidepressant use. It is not the night in shining armor I may have hoped for but it is close enough for me knowing how these drugs work.. well partly. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0031938481900524?np=y Characteristics of muricide induced by thiamine deficiency and its suppression by antidepressants or intraventricular serotonin doi:10.1016/0031-9384(81)90052-4 Get rights and content AbstractMale Wistar rats maintained on a thiamine deficient diet showed muricide aggression. On the 30th day of experimental feeding, the incidence was 70% and the killing latency was very short in the thiamine deficient killer-rats. They did not kill their rat-pups. Intraventricular injection of serotonin (5-HT) was effective in suppressing the muricide induced by thiamine deficiency. The suppressive effect of 5-HT was strongly antagonized by antiserotonergic agents, morphine and chlorpromazine. Moreover, the suppressive effect of 5-HT was potentiated by iproniazid, a monoamine oxidase inhibitor. Various antidepressants had suppressive effects on this muricide to varying degrees. Muricide induced by thiamine deficiency was more potently suppressed by the tricyclic antidepressants which inhibit 5-HT uptake rather than noradrenaline uptake. Our results in these experiments strengthened the hypothesis that central serotonergic neurons are involved in the inhibition of the muricide aggression in thiamine deficient killer-rats. Keywords Muricide; Pup-killing response; Thiamine deficiency; Antidepressants; Serotonin Copyright © 1981 Published by Elsevier Inc. It is a start... we have to start some place. peace WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted June 14, 2015 Author Share Posted June 14, 2015 I have resisted posting symptoms as they are so variable that may or may not have been a mistake. I don't want to get hope up for no reason if it falls flat or if my perceptions are off. I am going to post a few things I have noticed this wk. My one ear has drained, a sore in front of that ear has opened up and is draining. Some skin problems I have had are changing some have gone I am not sure if the others are healing or just changing yet. My feet still hurt tingle burn ache like crazy.. my hand still burns a lot but maybe a bit less. Some times I sleep like a rock this is completely new I have not had this in years unless I am really sick and I am not sick. My lungs seem to be clearing coughing out crap. I have headaches but I always have them. I don't think I have had a night where I slept less than 4 hours but I do have time like this they just don't hold. The unusual thing is I have slept most of the day and at night go to bed and sleep another 4-5 hours. That to me is amazing I am not sure if any of this is the supplements yet.. still jaded and not easily convinced. At one point and I wish I had wrote down exactly when I could think so well my eyes could really see and my handwriting took on a totally different feel and look... it is not just looking back at it but when I am writing .. with a pen it seems different more fluid it reminds me of the past me... it is an odd thing to experience. Good in a way but also laced with fear... it is not real and just my brain playing some sort of trick on me, an odd side effect or something that is the thing... could be a good or bad thing. Supplements have bit me in the ass after a bit of time on them over and over again during wd so I am tentative but still doing it. I have been on this regiment for a wk and yesterday adding 1/4 of a B12 sub.. seemed to just make things even better. I have had times where I feel over charged and one time I took 1/4 of a taurine to undo that feeling other times I waited it out and it passed. I have increased the phosphatidyl yesterday from 840mg to 1260mg .. I do take it by opening it sometimes and other times I just swallow it depending on how my gut feels. That is it for now peace WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted June 14, 2015 Author Share Posted June 14, 2015 http://www.life-enha...ft-your-spirits Thiamine Helps Maintain Serotonin Levels Thiamine is a B-vitamin (B1) that plays many important roles in the body. One of these is to help regulate serotonin levels in the brain. Indeed, thiamine deficiency may significantly impair serotonergic (serotonin-mediated) signaling processes. For example, animal studies suggest that replenishing thiamine in deficient animals reinstates normal serotonin function. It is not surprising, therefore, that thiamine supplementation has a positive impact on mood in both young and elderly human patients. In one study, healthy elderly women with a marginal thiamine deficiency were monitored for a ten-week period. Following supplementation with thiamine (10 mg/day), the women exhibited improvement in general well-being and decreased fatigue, compared with control subjects.5 Another study involved 120 younger women who did not exhibit any thiamine deficiency.6 Half of them received thiamine (50 mg/day), and half received a placebo. After two months of supplementation, the women in the thiamine group significantly improved their performance on both cognitive and psychological tests that measured mood. These results suggest that thiaminehas a beneficial effect on mood even when women are not thiamine-deficient. As we have seen, several natural agents may help with depression. Two such arethiamine and hyperforin from St. John's wort. Needless to say, 5-HTP and also judicious amounts of vitamin B6, calcium, magnesium, and niacin are believed to nourish neurons properly and support normal serotonergic function. B6 on a previous try made me very depressed... react badly to Vit D and Magnesium Maybe if thiamine gets to be ok I can some of these without reactions.. we will see WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted June 14, 2015 Author Share Posted June 14, 2015 I am testing adding thiamine... in my thread... http://www.life-enha...ft-your-spirits Thiamine Helps Maintain Serotonin Levels Thiamine is a B-vitamin (B1) that plays many important roles in the body. One of these is to help regulate serotonin levels in the brain. Indeed, thiamine deficiency may significantly impair serotonergic (serotonin-mediated) signaling processes. For example, animal studies suggest that replenishing thiamine in deficient animals reinstates normal serotonin function. It is not surprising, therefore, that thiamine supplementation has a positive impact on mood in both young and elderly human patients. In one study, healthy elderly women with a marginal thiamine deficiency were monitored for a ten-week period. Following supplementation with thiamine (10 mg/day), the women exhibited improvement in general well-being and decreased fatigue, compared with control subjects.5 Another study involved 120 younger women who did not exhibit any thiamine deficiency.6 Half of them received thiamine (50 mg/day), and half received a placebo. After two months of supplementation, the women in the thiamine group significantly improved their performance on both cognitive and psychological tests that measured mood. These results suggest that thiaminehas a beneficial effect on mood even when women are not thiamine-deficient. As we have seen, several natural agents may help with depression. Two such arethiamine and hyperforin from St. John's wort. Needless to say, 5-HTP and also judicious amounts of vitamin B6, calcium, magnesium, and niacin are believed to nourish neurons properly and support normal serotonergic function. B6 on a previous try made me very depressed... react badly to Vit D and Magnesium Maybe if thiamine gets to be ok I can some of these without reactions.. we will see WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted June 14, 2015 Author Share Posted June 14, 2015 http://www.sun-sentinel.com/health/fl-suzy-cohen-011815-20150108-column.html Does the same apply to humans? While I think thiamine is useful to a person who drinks (even socially), the best way to repair damage is to stop drinking. It beats a banana bag, which often costs about $100 a pop. It's not just alcohol. Other factors include drinking coffee, having an eating disorder and lap-band or other obesity surgery, smoking, and taking medications like antibiotics, acid blockers, theophylline, tamoxifen, antacids, hydrochlorothiazide (HCTZ) and digoxin. To see if your medication depletes thiamine, refer to your copy of "Drug Muggers;" read Ch. 21. More at the link. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
westcoast Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 I just caught up. I think it's good that your keeping a diary. Do you have an opinion of the thiamine yet or are you going to get another kind? 2009: Cancer hospital said I had adjustment disorder because I thought they were doing it wrong. Their headshrinker prescribed Effexor, and my life set on a new course. I didn't know what was ahead, like a passenger on Disneyland's Matterhorn, smiling and waving as it climbs...clink, clink, clink. 2010: Post surgical accidental Effexor discontinuation by nurses, masked by intravenous Dilaudid. (The car is balanced at the top of the track.) I get home, pop a Vicodin, and ... Whooosh...down, down, down, down, down...goes the trajectory of my life, up goes my mood and tendency to think everything is a good idea.2012: After the bipolar jig was up, now a walking bag of unrelated symptoms, I went crazy on Daytrana (the Ritalin skin patch by Noven), because ADHD was a perfect fit for a bag of unrelated symptoms. I was prescribed Effexor for the nervousness of it, and things got neurological. An EEG showed enough activity to warrant an epilepsy diagnosis rather than non-epileptic ("psychogenic") seizures. 2013-2014: Quit everything and got worse. I probably went through DAWS: dopamine agonist withdrawal syndrome. I drank to not feel, but I felt a lot: dread, fear, regret, grief: an utter sense of total loss of everything worth breathing about, for almost two years. I was not suicidal but I wanted to be dead, at least dead to the experience of my own brain and body. 2015: I began to recover after adding virgin coconut oil and organic grass-fed fed butter to a cup of instant coffee in the morning. I did it hoping for mental acuity and better memory. After ten days of that, I was much better, mood-wise. Approximately neutral. And, I experienced drowsiness. I could sleep. Not exactly happy, I did 30 days on Wellbutrin, because it had done me no harm in the past. I don't have the DAWS mood or state of mind. It never feel like doing anything if it means standing up. In fact, I don't especially like moving. I'm a brain with a beanbag body. Link to comment
westcoast Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 I agree with your May 25 post where you wondered if this is no longer withdrawal. I think my nervous system is different. I'm not even lethargic. I'm static. I said in DM that I'm not unhappy day by day, but only because I managed to embrace it for now. Except a few days ago my laptop started hurting my hands. It feels like prickly biting little shocks and eventually my hands ache. It's thing with this model. Even unplugged and running on battery. 2009: Cancer hospital said I had adjustment disorder because I thought they were doing it wrong. Their headshrinker prescribed Effexor, and my life set on a new course. I didn't know what was ahead, like a passenger on Disneyland's Matterhorn, smiling and waving as it climbs...clink, clink, clink. 2010: Post surgical accidental Effexor discontinuation by nurses, masked by intravenous Dilaudid. (The car is balanced at the top of the track.) I get home, pop a Vicodin, and ... Whooosh...down, down, down, down, down...goes the trajectory of my life, up goes my mood and tendency to think everything is a good idea.2012: After the bipolar jig was up, now a walking bag of unrelated symptoms, I went crazy on Daytrana (the Ritalin skin patch by Noven), because ADHD was a perfect fit for a bag of unrelated symptoms. I was prescribed Effexor for the nervousness of it, and things got neurological. An EEG showed enough activity to warrant an epilepsy diagnosis rather than non-epileptic ("psychogenic") seizures. 2013-2014: Quit everything and got worse. I probably went through DAWS: dopamine agonist withdrawal syndrome. I drank to not feel, but I felt a lot: dread, fear, regret, grief: an utter sense of total loss of everything worth breathing about, for almost two years. I was not suicidal but I wanted to be dead, at least dead to the experience of my own brain and body. 2015: I began to recover after adding virgin coconut oil and organic grass-fed fed butter to a cup of instant coffee in the morning. I did it hoping for mental acuity and better memory. After ten days of that, I was much better, mood-wise. Approximately neutral. And, I experienced drowsiness. I could sleep. Not exactly happy, I did 30 days on Wellbutrin, because it had done me no harm in the past. I don't have the DAWS mood or state of mind. It never feel like doing anything if it means standing up. In fact, I don't especially like moving. I'm a brain with a beanbag body. Link to comment
btdt Posted June 15, 2015 Author Share Posted June 15, 2015 I just caught up. I think it's good that your keeping a diary. Do you have an opinion of the thiamine yet or are you going to get another kim nd? Here is the problem... phosphatidyl choline and thiamine... see I did I say not to do. Not sure what exactly each are doing think maybe a bit too much on some days I have been fooling around a lot with it... upping the dose of the choline to the max daily dose doubled the thiamine yep doing all the stuff I know is wrong to do... because I want to know and I want to know now. Do I know better yes...I did not keep a good diary but I know what I have done and have a list in my head... doubling the thiamine was not a good idea I don't think. while I felt good with the B12 maybe a bit too good reminded me of mania kind of good... I have always had problems with Bs since I quit E... so that was likely a bad idea but I have to admit it was good to have some energy. So far my eyes and hearing are both improved and I have less pain in my body these things I know for sure. As for the chemical sensitivity I keep myself out of contact as much as possible but a whiff of perfume can still set me off so no that is not cured. I am still extremely careful to stay away from chemicals as it not only makes me immediately ill... I have this gut feeling there is a progressive damage going on with any further stress of toxins... I get unwell and I stay unwell for a long time after exposure. I mean in bed unwell. To date the best I have felt is when I opened the capsule ground the thiamine and added coconut oil. I think I am still reactive to B12 and need to avoid it.. tho I am concerned about adding just one B as I keep hearing that is a bad idea. The amine at the end of thiamine is a clue ... seems most antidepressants and a lot of the drugs I react to are amines... ads for instance " reuptake of biogenic amines and on receptor binding." So I am in the right field just don't have any co ordinates. to go on yet. I am trying to set parameters but doing it with my brain and in a hurry not the old healthy scientist uninterested in the outcome .. I want it now. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
Muddles Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 If only we knew how to fix the sensitivities?!! For us, that is a huge part for our recovery because it will keep us sick - and like you say; we will get much worse. 2008 - Doctors appointment with stress induced anxiety led to Citalopram prescription. Severe adverse reaction Mirtazapine prescribed - adverse reaction but told to stay on. Poop out - December 2013 15mg Currently on 13.5mg, April 12mg May 10th - 11mg June 10th - 10mg July 8th - 9mg September - 0mg Link to comment
Muddles Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 I read about a lady who had severe chemcial sensitivity and had to live in a trailer in the middle of no-where. You fancy that btdt? I'll buy the trailer. One thing you must not do is not to have any scans - the lady who had severe chemical sensitivities went on to having severe EMF sensitivities after an MRI. I had two scans last year and I reackon that made my EMF Sen. Much worse. 2008 - Doctors appointment with stress induced anxiety led to Citalopram prescription. Severe adverse reaction Mirtazapine prescribed - adverse reaction but told to stay on. Poop out - December 2013 15mg Currently on 13.5mg, April 12mg May 10th - 11mg June 10th - 10mg July 8th - 9mg September - 0mg Link to comment
btdt Posted June 15, 2015 Author Share Posted June 15, 2015 I agree with your May 25 post where you wondered if this is no longer withdrawal. I think my nervous system is different. I'm not even lethargic. I'm static. I said in DM that I'm not unhappy day by day, but only because I managed to embrace it for now. Except a few days ago my laptop started hurting my hands. It feels like prickly biting little shocks and eventually my hands ache. It's thing with this model. Even unplugged and running on battery. Your way too soon to be thinking this is just changes the drug made but in essence we need new words... as all of this is discontinuation syndrome if you go by the book ... there is not wd... again words are failing us. There is an intense early wd I choose this word today... and you have stemmied it for now. I do not want to put you off but the effects of drugs can be long ... even tho they say it is not true it is. The last drug you took did something that seems to have protected you from wd... will it bite you in the ass yet I can't even guess.. what I do know is it is way too soon to declare anything in you case we know the timeline for brain chemistry is much longer than the lies we are fed.. there is still possible delayed wd to watch out for... it may be the one welly stopped the other by shutting something off that will come back on at some point or whatever- the welly did may not hold - however the welly took affect that change itself may trip at some point undo itself as the body adapts to the change and over comes it. there is just too much we do not know but we do know this is all long term stuff it is not take a pill change your brain know the effects in a day wk month or year... I am hoping the vitamin stuff is... short term stuff even that I know is not true... when I reacted to Bs before the effect took 6 wks to wear off but that may have been a reflection of my brain damage at the time as much as the reaction to the B vitamins. hmm feeling a bit racey today... will have to keep an eye on it. This is just all what I surmise I am not a brainiack.. it is just my opinion and I am wrong a lot... I wish you peace and hope your on your way out of this crap... WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted June 15, 2015 Author Share Posted June 15, 2015 I read about a lady who had severe chemcial sensitivity and had to live in a trailer in the middle of no-where. You fancy that btdt? I'll buy the trailer. One thing you must not do is not to have any scans - the lady who had severe chemical sensitivities went on to having severe EMF sensitivities after an MRI. I had two scans last year and I reackon that made my EMF Sen. Much worse. I already had scans.. seems I have had several like I said we are not short on scanning here in Canada it is paid for .. after all I have been tested up the wasoo... I think I am done I am perfectly healthy... my scans say so... Actually some of my scans show some changes but nothing diagnostic my docs felt were worth following up on. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted June 15, 2015 Author Share Posted June 15, 2015 One ct scan of my brain actually burned a spot in the back of my brain that is how it felt.. that one found some small thing that was where I felt the burning. who knows all speculation on my part. At the time I was having a reaction to lidocaine that had me eventually at the hops getting a ct scan of my brain I could not see right or walk properly WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted June 15, 2015 Author Share Posted June 15, 2015 My sister use to have a place in the country... no hydro no phones nothing for miles and miles going there was like a retreat for me - except for the mosquitoes... after being there I felt well. Maybe I need to live in the woods. The place was sold a few years ago I am sure we all miss it... there was a set of rapids on the property where I would tie my portable hammock.. I could sleep there when I could not sleep any other place... in the hammock I slept thru many family functions... while every one else had a life.. I know they did as I have the pictures to prove it. It could be I felt well or better because I slept there sleep is so important. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
Muddles Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 I would love a retreat in the woods. I know I would feel better...I just know. Your sisters place sounds amazing. What a shame she no longer has it. The more I sleep- the worse I feel??? 2008 - Doctors appointment with stress induced anxiety led to Citalopram prescription. Severe adverse reaction Mirtazapine prescribed - adverse reaction but told to stay on. Poop out - December 2013 15mg Currently on 13.5mg, April 12mg May 10th - 11mg June 10th - 10mg July 8th - 9mg September - 0mg Link to comment
btdt Posted June 15, 2015 Author Share Posted June 15, 2015 I had that last wk.. slept all night and all day got up feeling like crap... it was sound sleep I rare for me. There are stages Muddles at that time I was in the no sleep insomniac stage of 4x4 getting up at 4am or going to bed at 4am.. actually somewhere in that stage. I would go 2-3 days with no sleep at all. It changes as time goes on to different things. That is what makes this entire situation so amazing and defeating the constant changes. The place yes it was amazing there was a partnership in the ownership and the other people wanted it all and threatened to keep going to court to push a failing idea till my sisters side was broke.. so they won... they had more money. That has hurt her in ways I can't even begin to tell.. so much of her heart was there. But we go on... we always go on. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted June 15, 2015 Author Share Posted June 15, 2015 taking this into consideration increasing growth hormone may help heal bbb http://jdmoyer.com/2011/08/02/four-simple-ways-to-increase-growth-hormone-burn-fat-build-muscle/ WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted June 15, 2015 Author Share Posted June 15, 2015 Thiamine diphosphokinase From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia thiamin diphosphokinase Identifiers EC number 2.7.6.2 CAS number 9026-24-8 Databases IntEnz IntEnz view BRENDA BRENDA entry ExPASy NiceZyme view KEGG KEGG entry MetaCyc metabolic pathway PRIAM profile PDBstructures RCSB PDB PDBe PDBsum Gene Ontology AmiGO / EGO [show]Search In enzymology, a thiamine diphosphokinase (EC 2.7.6.2) is an enzyme that catalyzes the chemical reaction ATP + thiamine AMP + thiamine diphosphateThus, the two substrates of this enzyme are ATP and thiamine, whereas its two products are AMP and thiamine diphosphate. This enzyme belongs to the family of transferases, specifically those transferring two phosphorus-containing groups (diphosphotransferases). The systematic name of this enzyme class is ATP:thiamine diphosphotransferase. Other names in common use include thiamin kinase, thiamine pyrophosphokinase, ATP:thiamin pyrophosphotransferase, thiamin pyrophosphokinase, thiamin pyrophosphotransferase, thiaminokinase, thiamin:ATP pyrophosphotransferase, andTPTase. This enzyme participates in thiamine metabolism. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
Member cymbaltawithdrawal5600 Posted June 17, 2015 Member Share Posted June 17, 2015 Hey b! You notice that you have reached a new level of posting? You are now in the 'fingers of titanium' category! Over 5 thou posts on the board. I am not for sure but I think you are the only one. What happened and how I arrived here: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4243-cymbaltawithdrawal5600-introduction/#entry50878 July 2016 I have decided to leave my story here at SA unfinished. I have left my contact information in my profile for anyone who wishes to talk to me. I have a posting history spanning nearly 4 years and 3000+ posts all over the site. Thank you to all who participated in my recovery. I'll miss talking to you but know that I'll be cheering you on from the sidelines, suffering and rejoicing with you in spirit, as you go on in your journey. Link to comment
btdt Posted June 17, 2015 Author Share Posted June 17, 2015 I am not sure what to think of that. Maybe I should get a life or maybe this is my life both thoughts are a bit unnerving to tell the truth. I guess after all these years affected I have a few things to say. It does not seem like 5,000. This is 5,185 now I wonder what I had to say in the #5000 post WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
Moderator brassmonkey Posted June 17, 2015 Moderator Share Posted June 17, 2015 Well, you've been doing some amazing research and letting us know what you have found. That counts for a bunch of them. 20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013. Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mgpw it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks. The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better. Final Dose 0.016mg. Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017 "It's also important not to become angry, no matter how difficult life is, because you can loose all hope if you can't laugh at yourself and at life in general." Stephen Hawking Link to comment
btdt Posted June 17, 2015 Author Share Posted June 17, 2015 Well, you've been doing some amazing research and letting us know what you have found. That counts for a bunch of them. Thanks Brass... I was doing some more last night and today .. I get these questions in context as to what was known when... if you read it.. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/9350-who-figured-out-ads-caused-withdrawal/#entry162507 In the second last post where I just added a pm you will see the cost of it all... it would seem tho I need to know ... just like Eve eating that f....ing apple it has a cost it all has a cost still I need to know for some seemingly masochistic reason..... the truth of the time I spend messed up... putting into context what was going on in the "field" of psychiatry .. who knew what .. why I want to know I can't discern... apples will be the death of me. Or maybe some day I will come to some true understanding hopefully not quite as dark and jaded as the one I know partially grasp... I say partially as I don't know enough to be sure what I know is right... I also say partially because I have a need to not be so jaded to learn some where in all of this there was not complete disregard for me and other people like me... the more I know the more jaded I get.. it is the reverse of what I hoped for .. I hope for a common ground a meeting place to converse... and I cannot do that with people who will risk the lives of others on a lark... or in search of grant money... I can't lower myself WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted June 22, 2015 Author Share Posted June 22, 2015 I would love a retreat in the woods. I know I would feel better...I just know. Your sisters place sounds amazing. What a shame she no longer has it. The more I sleep- the worse I feel??? As for the trailer I think we would miss people. It is a lovely idea to use in a relaxations session. I have a couple I use one is a house completely secured from all toxic compounds yes that is my fantasy and another is a place on the beach .. with a lot of white light tho it is not bright I can hear the ocean ...most things in the house are white it is a peaceful place... white curtains blowing in the breeze and the sound of the ocean. All that aside I have been away for a few days to see family. A mixed bag of sleepless nights and strain mixed with at least I made it here... my reputations is worse than ever with them all and I stumble to make any connections any place in my life. Oddly some head way I thought I had made with people appears to be lost once I add in the lack of sleep and the amount of stress in my life now with illnesses and stress they have. It is not something I want to repeat. I feel lost and depleted coming back to a home where I am not wanted leaving people who I know are my family all messed up with their own drugs and own issues... it surely feels there is no place for me on earth at this particular point in time. No place I feel right now I know that is likely me... at the same time it hurts in ways that being disjointed cannot sooth. So I am sitting with it today kind of escaped here for a time... but it is now time to end my SA escape today I have thought a lot about being here too much how people here become more real to me than the real people in my life... It is not that I am here too much it is that this is the only place where I feel real as my reality is not shared by anyone outside of here.. as bad as it is to need to be here ... it use to suck as I still knew my old life... the longer it goes on the more removed I am from not only my old life but my currant life. Here and now becomes less important... as the value of things in life has changed to be less than what may make it worth staying around for. Now had this point in time came when I was in a more impulsive place I would just be dead now and this angst of living in protracted wd would be over. Since I am not impulsive I guess I am stuck here in a way it always seems to work out that I get to stay and suffer some more. My rubics cube it not fitting any place and there are a couple of squares that won't slide they are mis shapened off a degree or two... so nothing fits today. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted June 22, 2015 Author Share Posted June 22, 2015 I just read this thread http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/8555-lapd-haldol-withdrawal-and-brain-damage/page-3 lapd: Haldol withdrawal and brain damageThere I learned about the side effects of an injection of during my mothers cancer treatment she needed a plasma infusion... I went home and left her in hosp over night when I went back she was not herself had been acting badly all day... including throwing diapers and taking over visitors coats saying she was leaving. There was a nurse there named Tim who asked if I wanted him to giver her a shot to calm her down... I said if you think she needs it and that it will help... he said oh ya it will help. ... he gave her haldol... she was never the same. She had been given a clean bill clean of cancer.. supposedly would live at least 2 years she died 7 months later spent the last 4 months in hosp not knowing anyone screaming suffering pulling ivs from her arms... I am not going that way. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
Tilly Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Sending you love & hugs. Speak soon. Tilly x 1999 - 2004 Paroxetine 20mg -> 2004 - 2007 Citalopram 20mg -> 2007 - short term Trazedone use (insomnia) -> 2007 - 2009 Fluoxetine 20mg -> 2009 - Jan 2012 Citalopram 20mg (Spring / Summer 2012 protracted withdrawal & related agoraphobia) -> 2012 - September Restarted Citalopram - unbearable start up effects. Discontinued in under 1 week -> Oct 12 - October 2014 Escitalopram - 10mg prescribed. Started on 5mg and worked up to 10mg in 2.5mg increments -> Oct 2014 - 5mg; 30/03/15 2.5mg; 15/04/15 3.5mg; 20/05/15 2.9mg; 19/09/15 2.8mg; 30/10/15 2.7mg; 13/11/15 2.6mg. Holding until March. Diet: mostly pescatarianl & lots of veg. Weekly offal for b vitamins. Turmeric, nigella seeds, avocados, apple cider vinegar, coconut products daily. Lots of fluids: water, lemon juice, coconut water, herbal & green tea (decaffeinated). Supplements: vitamin C 4000mg, Omega 3 fish oil - high DPA & EHA, vitamin E 400iu, vitamin D3 5000mg (Winter only - from sun in Spring / Summer), probiotics. Current Symptoms: chronic fatigue, erratic sleep, extreme photophobia, eye floaters, noise sensitivity, tinnitus, cognitive & speech difficulties, dizziness, irregular gait, poor co ordination, severe facial and upper body muscle tension, head and neck pressure. Coping Strategies: good nutrition, cooking, gardening & growing my own food, cycling, dancing, yoga, photography, sewing & creative pursuits, self massage, pampering, meditation, journalling, nature, cuddling cats & humans, laughter & humour, gratitude, self care, aromatherapy, audio books, word games & believing in myself, my potential and my future. "Everything I need is within me" - Shakti Gawain Link to comment
Muddles Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Your posts make me sad. I understand when you say you can only relate to people here. I think that is normal under our circumstances. I know the feeling of being with family - seeing them drugged too...it's sad. We didn't need to be drugged. I sometimes feel my family has been cursed but don't want to think about it too much. I'm sorry about your mother too. That is so sad. I remeber watching a you tube clip done by an ex Pharma rep and she spoke of going to the old people's home trying to sell anti-pyschotics. She recalls a lovely, chatty lady there who was such a character...always talking and singing. When the rep returned a few weeks later she asked where the lady was - they directed her to her room and she sat in her bed, lifeless and dribbling. They had basically killed any last life this poor old lady had by drugging her to keep her quiet. Sick. I relate to you so much btdt that it hurts me to think there could be another human out there who suffers and grieves so much. It is apparent to me we have similar damage...you are one of the few on here that when I read your posts - it's like someone reading my mind. A big connection. Thats why I come here...I don't want to be here, that may sound selfish but if we were well and able to live there is no way we would have time to be on here. I would run like mad away from any drug talk if my brain was was well. I've had enough of the crap. Anyways - sorry for the rant. You won't leave this world like your mother. You are wise to all of this now. I understand your fears because I have the same. Hugs. 2008 - Doctors appointment with stress induced anxiety led to Citalopram prescription. Severe adverse reaction Mirtazapine prescribed - adverse reaction but told to stay on. Poop out - December 2013 15mg Currently on 13.5mg, April 12mg May 10th - 11mg June 10th - 10mg July 8th - 9mg September - 0mg Link to comment
btdt Posted June 23, 2015 Author Share Posted June 23, 2015 Thanks Muddles it helps to be heard by somebody who gets it. My mother was never in a home she was always with family till she got sick even then rather then send her far from home to a hosp where she would be alone she came to live with me as the city I lived in had a cancer center. I was the only one in my family in that city. She had 8 kids so there would never be any cause for her to be in a home... that is not how we do things where I come from. She raised us on her own from 1962 when my father died I was 2.5 then. She did her best. I know I think of being well and taking off out of here but after all this time I wonder if I would know what to do out in the real world I have been home bound a long time. Crazy and doubting myself much longer than that. It does not make for a upbeat take on the future... I am hoping this part we don't have in common I think your much younger than I and because of that offer you much more hope than I can muster at the moment for future outcomes. Thankfully you were drugged later and spent a bit less time on drugs I hope that goes in your favor... having young kids while I know it hard also offers so much incentive to simply be there for them. There is one more thought on this taking off out of here... this drug issue has been a huge part of my life for years now the time knowing the time not knowing all the huge drug induced changes... over the long haul the doubts fade away the picture become clearer... I may have a different perspective on the situation that could be of use.. since I don't do much else useful there is that... being of use bit to think of. I don't have much expertise in anything else I have spent most of my life gaining experience in antidepressant use fallout reactions withdrawal and long term effects... some I am sure I have yet to name. Again Muddles thanks for being here... I am having a rough go was up most of the night in pain no pain meds thanks to my doc feeling 2 tylenol #3 a day is going to make me a drug addict... **** if she only knew how many more I would need to take to actually be pain free... at least double that... when I think of all the drugs they try to give me that react on me and make me sick and or stupid the withholding of drugs in a new twist... it kind of makes me laugh... how insane it all is. With the big push on getting people off opiates the push moves from them to SSRI SNRI drugs.. I see it happening now because nobody seems to know how withdrawal from them hurts. While opiate wd is bad I here I doubt it has much over the wd from these Ad drugs.. from what i hear it does not last for years that would be a plus... I don't think opiates affect the brain the same way. Ad side effects may keep some people off them there are always those like me who go nuts on the first drug... and get bamboozled into more.. for them I bleed. And around we go... I was one day short to renew my drug big addict that I am so hopefully tonight I will sleep. I wish you peace and healing... WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted June 24, 2015 Author Share Posted June 24, 2015 My computer seems to be doing something quite strange so I may not be able to get back to this ... mak ok computer folks I am coming to ask you questions. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
Muddles Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 We cared for my dad at home too when he became bed bound after a stroke. He lived on for 2 years after that...they only expected him to live for 6 months. I know he wouldn't have lived on that long of we had put him into a home. They tried to give him antidepressants but he refused....thank god. Was on a host of different meds - bp MEDS etc and when they thought he was dying we stopped the meds and he then went on to live another 9 months without them!!! What's that saying! I don't think age matters in all of this - damage is damage. I wish this had never happened but sometimes wish if it had to - why not when I was older...once my children were through school etc. I hope you managed to sleep? Wish I could help you in some way. 2008 - Doctors appointment with stress induced anxiety led to Citalopram prescription. Severe adverse reaction Mirtazapine prescribed - adverse reaction but told to stay on. Poop out - December 2013 15mg Currently on 13.5mg, April 12mg May 10th - 11mg June 10th - 10mg July 8th - 9mg September - 0mg Link to comment
AliG Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 I just want to say, BTDT, I think you have a very "big heart". Thank you for your research, knowledge, and experience. Thank you for your 5,0000 th ... post. I understand that you've been here a while, and you're "hurting", but you're helping so many of us , with your "tenacity", and "investigation". I wish the very best for you. Many SSRI's and SSNRI's over 20 years. Zoloft for 7 years followed by Effexor, Lexapro, Prozac, Cymbalta, Celexa, Pristiq, Valdoxan, Mianserin and more - on and off. No tapering. Cold turkey off Valdoxan - end of May 2014 Psych Drug - free since May 2014 . Link to comment
Muddles Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Somebody recommended this for hayfever. It doesn't mention anything on the reviews for hayfever but looks like it's good for a lot of other stuff - especially pain. Thought you may be interested: http://www.amazon.com/Indus-Organics-Nigella-Freshly-Non-irradiated/dp/B0036RKIB0 2008 - Doctors appointment with stress induced anxiety led to Citalopram prescription. Severe adverse reaction Mirtazapine prescribed - adverse reaction but told to stay on. Poop out - December 2013 15mg Currently on 13.5mg, April 12mg May 10th - 11mg June 10th - 10mg July 8th - 9mg September - 0mg Link to comment
Muddles Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 my hayfever is so bad. Do you think I would be ok trying this: http://www.amazon.com/Indus-Organics-Nigella-Freshly-Non-irradiated/dp/B0036RKIB0 Sorry for asking on your thread but I need to do something and I don't know what to do. 2008 - Doctors appointment with stress induced anxiety led to Citalopram prescription. Severe adverse reaction Mirtazapine prescribed - adverse reaction but told to stay on. Poop out - December 2013 15mg Currently on 13.5mg, April 12mg May 10th - 11mg June 10th - 10mg July 8th - 9mg September - 0mg Link to comment
btdt Posted June 24, 2015 Author Share Posted June 24, 2015 We cared for my dad at home too when he became bed bound after a stroke. He lived on for 2 years after that...they only expected him to live for 6 months. I know he wouldn't have lived on that long of we had put him into a home. They tried to give him antidepressants but he refused....thank god. Was on a host of different meds - bp MEDS etc and when they thought he was dying we stopped the meds and he then went on to live another 9 months without them!!! What's that saying! I don't think age matters in all of this - damage is damage. I wish this had never happened but sometimes wish if it had to - why not when I was older...once my children were through school etc. I hope you managed to sleep? Wish I could help you in some way. I did sleep thanks Muddles. Interesting about stopping meds maybe prolonging his life I would believe it. My mother was to live 2 years so they said... I bought a house in the city where she wanted to live expecting her to live there with me...but it was not to be she passed a full wk before the move in date. Odd life... I am glad he was at home with those who loved him that is the way to go. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted June 24, 2015 Author Share Posted June 24, 2015 I just want to say, BTDT, I think you have a very "big heart". Thank you for your research, knowledge, and experience. Thank you for your 5,0000 th ... post. I understand that you've been here a while, and you're "hurting", but you're helping so many of us , with your "tenacity", and "investigation". I wish the very best for you. Thank You AliG WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
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