btdt Posted February 20, 2016 Author Share Posted February 20, 2016 It all sound like normal for wd... not normal for normal people obviously. I am doing physio therapy trying to be cool about it and make some head way. Not social at all of late I can talk to people if I want but the confusion with words comes and goes in wd and when it is really bad it is normal not to want to talk much anxiety is wd... and it is ramped up when your expected to be your old functional self and you know you can't... hell that person does not live here anymore... bumping along... not so hot just now I had a big pain day just over a wk ago I can't seem to get control of even with pain pills...I am still working on it... pain pills do help but it is a trade off as they mess up my already compromised head. Six of one half dozen of the other there is no clear path to surviving this it is always a choice of the least suffering in hopes of healing and the best payoff. Deep relaxation helps with cortisol it is being able to sit still for it long enough for it to work... yoga sometimes... peace WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
MrAnxious Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Wow. I could get emotional from your first paragraph. This is exactly how I feel 110% and I keep telling my gf this ! The anxiety is so overwhelming and I just stumble and look for words that use to be there in my old self. I keep hoping this will get better. Its a mindfck, you get into a wave and forget what you use to feel. How are we suppose to live like this. It is like a rollercoaster,, I would really love to talk to you more ...inbox pls ??? 2007-2012started Effexor xr 225mg -150mg- Varied2months of Taper,(March 22/2012 Off Med/in W/D)Currently No medicationMarch 22/2012- August 16/2012 - Totally Off Effexor( Rough Rough time) Reinstatement for a week(didn't work)****** New Doctor******* Very nice/helpful and in touch.Tried Zoloft- No successAUGUST 17/2012- STARTED 37.5 EFFEXOR FOR ONE WEEK - NOT GOOD < STOPPED.Started Buspar Oct 11th 2012----10 mg for the first 7 days and then 15mg a day---- Taking a new route----Racing thoughts - Gone.Oct 9th ( Done Zoloft,wellbutrin week project trial to feel better) - OFFICIALLY OFF ANTI DEPRESSANT !Oct 26 - Raised Buspar to 20mg a day- Tolerating wellJan 2nd 2013- Reduce Buspar until full off march 20th 2015 Off all medication ! Tried natural supplements to no avail Gluten/sugar free since december 2013 Link to comment
btdt Posted February 26, 2016 Author Share Posted February 26, 2016 Think I did book mark it once but can't recall how to use the book mark.. rough day. Doc asked if I took the med today too my bp (I took my own machine with me) said I did not have the other thing she was looking into... and that was about it... feel spaced our things are in rather slow motion and I have intermittent ....drop off to sleep feelings... and bad psychological state. Bad enough I don't want to talk about it as I am in a tricky place... so I of course look it up along with a few other things. LETTERS TO THE EDITOR | October 01, 1983 Acute psychotic behavior associated with atenolol http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/article.aspx?articleID=161105 from 1983 Guess I will never learn. Don't bother going to the link what use to be there is gone now. Here is another one with an interesting title which is missing AbstractSend to: J Clin Psychopharmacol. 1986 Dec;6(6):390.Pseudoakathisia associated with atenolol. Patterson JF. Pseudoakathisia... I have to admit this is the first time I have heard this word... anyone else heard this before... I went looking back to find information for another using atenolol and came to a few dead and ends and what appears to be now dead links... that are completely empty. I don't think anyone who has ever had severe akathisia would use the prefix PSEUDO! it either is or it isn't. PsychiatricPsychiatric problems associated with beta-blockers include depression. Rare cases of acute psychosis have been associated with atenolol.[Ref] drugs.com WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted March 15, 2016 Author Share Posted March 15, 2016 my post today re dizziness I want to keep so am posting it here Fast forward to now.... my hearing has been impaired I noticed this in the last year but declined a ear nose and throat referral as I had too many doc apts and was already over whelmed... it stayed got worse with a prednisone reaction.... more weeds... The hearing and dizziness remained on an intermittent basis... a month ago I caved and seen the ent doc I have seen him before and found I could not communicate well with him... English is his second language and I ramble like a tumble weed trying to tell a story to get to the facts I have to talk it out as I can't think even writing it out first seems to fail me. This is part of the reason I did not want to go... more failure I don't need. This trip I tried to stick to the facts I also do but often can't... I told him I had this car accident and was not hearing well and was dizzy... easy facts and let it sit.. he tested my hears and it is impaired in one ear. Took a long hard look at me it seems he was studying my head and posture. Then he gave this exercise to do.... which I have been doing best I can and I think it is changing things I would never have expected. dizzy yes but thinking too and some kind of drainage in my head digestion and general health improvements. Why I don't know... Trying the exercise was horrid in the beginning I could not do all he asked I could barely do any tho it is simple...my teeth hurt all the teeth on one side then he other I found this extremely odd and is one of the reasons I kept trying to do the exercise...my teeth no longer hurt when I do it but the fact that they did hurt says to me there is something going on... and it may help me. There two sorts of tooth pain I have had in wd... all the teeth on one side would hurt in a general way and then a few teeth would hurt or one in a very serious tooth ache way... I have found bio gaia put directly on the tooth helped the latter... have had tons of drugs for the former thinking it was a sinus infection. Here is the exercise if you want to try it... sit on the side of the bed... feet hanging over... put a pillow on either side of you and turn your head 25% towards the side your going to lean and put your head on the pillow stay there 3 minutes do the same on the other side. Repeat this 5x for each side it will take one half hour to do one set of 10. Do on set of 10 5xs a day. Sounds easy right first time I tried I had the pillows at my side as that is what he said literally and I could not stand the pain in my neck and head so I moved the pillows to be under my head which made it tolerable barely. The first wk I never did the 5 sets of 10 more like one set of 3 and had a head ache the rest of the day.... but I kept trying. I liked the idea the treatment was not a pill I am in physio for my neck ect and there was a noticeable increase in pain and a lot of discontentment when I started this exercise... physio guy said why do it ... what does it help and I told him I could not explain it to him as I could not put my finger on it but there was something really important to me that I needed to find out about... just an inkling... maybe it was helping me think better... feel better generally tho it was killing my neck and back. I am in the thrid wk and can do the 5 sets of 10 I go back to see this doc next wk... I am curious very curious as to what this exercise was meant to do... other professionals I have seen have had me do something like this to move the fluid in the ear but it is not exactly the same.. and did not work. There is more to this I just don't know what... he is Chinese and I can't help but think he has some ancient Chinese wisdom he can't communicate well to me or that I am too communicatively challenged to understand if he did try to tell me. You can be sure I will be giving understanding a shot when I see him again... but am also quite ready to take this as it sits ... and leave it there... it has helped me and will be in my tool box and something to try forever. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted March 15, 2016 Author Share Posted March 15, 2016 For the last few months I have been adding tiny amounts of ground up 300mg of magnesium citrate several times a day and I have increased this to about a third a cap 100mg at least once a day.... I am working on increasing my mag to a decent level on a consistent bases so I can test out the idea that low mag is in part what causes bad reactions to vitamin D which I am low in..... so yesterday I added a new vitamin D at one tenth what a normal person would take....I am taking one drop a normal human would take 10.... so far so good in the past it has taken a few days for a reaction to be severe but I noticed the affect and anxiety right away this time .. I had the bad taste but that was all... so far one drop one time for one day. The idea that bad reactions to vit D are caused in part by a Mag deficiecy is what I am working on here and I should put this in that thread... but I am lazy and it may not work if it works I will search for the thread. Genestra brands D-Mulsion I got it from a chiropractors office I had an assessment and not sure if I will go or not I am afraid of the neck manipulation causing a stroke as I seem to be stroke prone or TIA prone if the excuses they give me for drug reactions is right... one for birth control pills was called TIA ... and what I see and a lidocaine reaction was also called a TIA that just happened to happen when I had an injection at the dentist... WD is hard on our bodies and twitching and contracting ect... I am sure could pull our bodies out of whack I have accidents to add to the cause but I would bet wd is part of this mix. peace all WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted March 15, 2016 Author Share Posted March 15, 2016 Wow. I could get emotional from your first paragraph. This is exactly how I feel 110% and I keep telling my gf this ! The anxiety is so overwhelming and I just stumble and look for words that use to be there in my old self. I keep hoping this will get better. Its a mindfck, you get into a wave and forget what you use to feel. How are we suppose to live like this. It is like a rollercoaster,, I would really love to talk to you more ...inbox pls ??? you can pm me anytime at all... in time it will become your new normal and not be as upsetting and it will improve and come and go... I was reading this cite yesterday I don't know if I can find it again... but it was an eye opener for me... http://www.mindenchiropractic.com/as.shtml I don't know if it is true or not but think of how our bodies are contracted in wd... it could be true. From the site seemed interesting and I know may have nothing to do with wd or us but what if??? "If your child has a sudden change in personality that causes a nice, calm child to become a monster, they should be checked for an atlas subluxation. I've seen some dramatic changes in children's behavior and personality after having their atlas adjusted." This is the one that I am most interested in as it is me.... I can't think half the time "THE INABILITY TO THINK STRAIGHT This is my very, very favorite thing to treat. Most cases I have seen of this resulted from automobile accidents. People will come to me in a panic. They will usually tell me they can deal with the pain, but the inability to think straight is driving them crazy. On many occasions I have cleared up their thinking within seconds after the atlas adjustment. I love treating this particular problem because I have always been a student of the power of the human mind, and know that losing your ability to think straight really screws up your life. The thrill of restoring someone's sharp mind is indescribable. LOSS OF A SENSE OF WELL-BEING How do you measure a person's sense of well-being? I have found it very fascinating that many, many times, on follow up visits after I correct the atlas subluxation, the first thing people will tell me is that their sense of well-being is better. They can't put a finger on it - they just feel better. If in fact the atlas subluxationadversely effects the functioning of the central nervous system, it makes sense that correcting it would improve the sense of well-being." I know it may not apply. still seeking peace WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted March 27, 2016 Author Share Posted March 27, 2016 http://phoenixrising.me/archives/24936 for myself http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/20850955 Bacopa monnieri modulates endogenous cytoplasmic and mitochondrial oxidative markers in prepubertal mice brain. http://doctormurray.com/pqq-the-next-nutrient-superstar/ http://forums.phoenixrising.me/index.php?threads/mitochondria-and-me-cfs-new-mea-rrf-funding-announced.43552/ First Direct Evidence of Neuroinflammation – 'Encephalitis ... phoenixrising.me/archives/24936 Apr 29, 2014 - Neuroinflammation may be behind ME/CFS symptoms ... Encephalomyelitis is inflammation of the brain and spinal column, and critics of the ...... Im guessing some antidepressants would have anti inflammatory effects as ok I will stop this is like spamming I am going to get in trouble again It has been a very slow path... I wonder if it goes once again to no mans land WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted March 27, 2016 Author Share Posted March 27, 2016 Having another allergic reaction... to food this time sloppy joes and a cup of tea... seemed to be more the tea as it was going down till I had a sip of tea the swelling went back up... odd allergy Tea? This time it is like blisters on the roof of my mouth just behind my teeth with pain on swallowing. I had a benadryl waiting to see if that cures it. Had both these things many many times in my life with no reaction. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
Muddles Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 Oh no! What's a sloppy Joes? 2008 - Doctors appointment with stress induced anxiety led to Citalopram prescription. Severe adverse reaction Mirtazapine prescribed - adverse reaction but told to stay on. Poop out - December 2013 15mg Currently on 13.5mg, April 12mg May 10th - 11mg June 10th - 10mg July 8th - 9mg September - 0mg Link to comment
btdt Posted April 1, 2016 Author Share Posted April 1, 2016 Meat in tomato sauce on a bun no big deal really... I don't get it. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted April 1, 2016 Author Share Posted April 1, 2016 Talking to Petu yesterday it dawned on me that I was censoring what I say here a lot... sticking to a this or that happened... for the most part ...now that I said it I wonder is it true.. does it matter... I came here to make a post about being a long timer.. as this rolling tumble of thoughts will not let me loose... the weight of it.. knowing how bad it is for newbies and how out my head I was in the early days the psychosis times and so much more that made me amazed I survived when it was over.. the weight of telling the truth to some person in that state weighs on me as I know does others who are all done here... do we tell it all do we say this is real and needs a voice... can we be both respected for what we know and falling apart at other times.. can it all be in one being .. no i know it can but can anyone believe it possible that a being in so much upheaval one day can actually be ok and of intelligent another... it is a weight and in my brain thing often come to me as bits of songs I don't know why it just does... The weight... I thought it was crack in the ice by pink floyd but it isn't..it is thin ice.. .http://www.pink-floyd-lyrics.com/html/the-thin-ice-wall-lyrics.html The Thin Ice (Waters) 2:28 Momma loves her babyAnd daddy loves you too.And the sea may look warm to you babeAnd the sky may look blueBut ooooh BabyOoooh baby blueOooooh babe.If you should go skatingOn the thin ice of modern lifeDragging behind you the silent reproachOf a million tear-stained eyesDon't be surprised when a crack in the iceAppears under your feet.You slip out of your depth and out of your mindWith your fear flowing out behind youAs you claw the thin ice. The weight dragging behind you the silent reproach of a million tear stained eyes... I know how people suffer and I know there are many it is heavy it has a weight... Silencing US including myself reminds me of silencing the Lambs... yes it is a horror ... as it is also horrible... or horror Bull cause it is Bull... lots of bull...irriatabull ... ect... a long list I am sure. I will try to Fix you... Faith.... we need to try... to believe no matter what and trust something bigger then us and our bodies know how to repair this damage... FAITH when you need it look ask pray http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/coldplay/fixyou.html Lights will guide you home And ignite your bones rest when you must...cause at times we can't do anything but... come back and try more later... my words seek help here.... keep trying... And high up above or down below When you're too in love to let it goBut if you never try you'll never know this may be the year you heal... this may be the last day you have a brain zaps or whatever else is your worst thing now... People are working on this and they have been a long long long time...Alto is one of them and why she insists on the scientific page being perfect... which I avoid cause I can't sort it ... she is one of our champions and there are others working for years to beat this... and one day... Revolution... so kills me I said it we really need a change... badly http://www.metrolyrics.com/revolution-lyrics-john-lennon.html You say you got a real solutionWell, you know we'd all love to see the plan, oh yeahYou ask me for a contributionWell, you know we're all doing what we can You say you'll change the constitution Well, you know we all wanna change your headYou tell me it's the institutionWell, you know you better free your mind instead(tried that didn't we) The British kept a coming nothing personal Brits.. just a song... yep I sang it as a kid we had a musical family maybe why I think in song.. http://www.scoutsongs.com/lyrics/battle-of-new-orleans.html We keep going...it is like battle... We fired our guns and the British kept a'comin,But there wasn't nigh as many as there was a while ago.We fired once more and they began to runnin' down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico. We'll march back home but we'll never be contenttill we make Old Hickory the people's President....nobody in mind but we do need change (there is a bit in there about an alligator I never did understand) Who is the battle against.... the lines are blurred if this is war... then who is the enemy we can't just say pharma way too easy "Us And Them" http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/pinkfloyd/usandthem.html Us and ThemAnd after all we're only ordinary menMe, and youGod only knows it's not what we would choose to do Down and OutIt can't be helped but there's a lot of it aboutWith, withoutAnd who'll deny that's what the fightings all aboutGet out of the way, it's a busy dayAnd I've got things on my mindFor want of the price of tea and a sliceThe old man died Money is it all about money in the end??? power maybe... I don't know but it could be Boarders Mia http://genius.com/Mia-borders-lyrics a list of questions... the next generation is here now Egos (What's up with that?)Your values (What's up with that?)Your beliefs (What's up with that?)Your families (What's up with that?)Histories (What's up with that?)Your future (What's up with that?)My boys (What's up with that?)My girls (What's up with that?)Freedom (What's up with that?)Your power (What's up with that?) They came for me and there was no one left to protest... it stays on my mind always my father fought in ww2 it left a big impression on me as a child growing up without a father I did not know much about him so I studied war.... a lot... and it is ok cause... I MUST BE CRAZY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/tyrese/imustbecrazy.html ALL THIS IT CAN BREAK YOU FOR A TIME DON'T LET IT BE FOREVER! THAT IS THE CHALLENGE! me I changed completely and did some things others may or may not forgive me for what counts is can I forgive me... And do things that I never thought I'd doWhat kinda man's not there when you're cryingWhat kinda man don't care if he's lyingNow I understand who could be that kind of manThat's me, and I must be crazy I must be crazy for not taking care of youAnd I must be crazy, now I'm feeling like a fool Now I know what a fool could do I'm not tryna justify what I did Then the waking starts and another sort of crazy comes.... I must be crazy #2 when you realize you have been crazy http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/gnarlsbarkley/crazy.html I remember when, I remember, I remember when I lost my mindThere was something so pleasant about that place.Even your emotions had an echoIn so much spaceAnd when you're out thereWithout care,Yeah, I was out of touch Come on now, who do you, who do you, who do you, who do you think you are, Ha ha ha bless your soulYou really think you're in control My heroes had the heart to lose their lives out on a limb And all I remember is thinking, I want to be like themEver since I was little, ever since I was little it looked like funAnd it's no coincidence I've comeAnd I can die when I'm done I never thought I would live forever Maybe we are just taking the long way home... http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/supertramp/takethelongwayhome.html Does it feel that you life's become a catastrophe?Oh, it has to be for you to grow, boy.When you look through the years and see what you couldhave been oh, what might have been,if you'd had more time. and so this is withdrawal with many bits and pieces that need to be sorted and put back into some place that makes some sense... if it possible probably .... we will see It took minutes for all this to run thru my mind this morning for once I thought I am going to share this one of millions sorting bits.. as always. wishing you all peace B WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted April 1, 2016 Author Share Posted April 1, 2016 This is what it is like to be me sometimes.. this is this wk... it is not always like this..but I can't count on it not being like this either I had that reaction with the blisters ... ate a lot of pills that we know I do not do well with.. and then had a bad reaction at physio.. to accupuncture.. Tues... so she told me not to come back Thurs for the neck stuff unless I was well ... well yesterday I had a mirgraine ... **** are we done yet... nope not yet... took more pills for that did not sleep till morning last night but was debating going to physio... I can never tell if I am ok to go there or not can't tell till they start if I am going to react or not... but then I was spared cause I called a cab and said I had to be there by one and they said it is almost one now... and the hydro had been off and I reset the clock to the wrong time... so I called and cancled they will like charge me 65 bucks and then I thought I am going to have a nice rainy day at home... by myself ... and I did ... so there is a sharing post... cause I thought I don't share real stuff enough... peace B WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted April 2, 2016 Author Share Posted April 2, 2016 I am not sure if this set of crap is all pill induced memory problems plague me they have been serious at times and may seem less serious right now only because I have changed how I live to suit the situation. Thru this last set of reaction post pill reaction my mind has seemed keener at times clarity I am not use to has presented itself yet it has no backbone... no stamina to maintain along with this clarity comes black holes of not knowing what I am doing mid action ... I lose my place.,,, I can almost feel my brain trying to recalibrate to get back on task... as I wait lost. It way much worse when I took prednisone and so I would like to figure this out and not need to take it ever again... the fallout from benadryl is bad enough yet not as long lasting as in wks with the pred... The rapid fire sort of thought pattern above is part of the fallout like my system has been overtaken by free association connected to music..( yes if I really wanted it too I could stop it ...not like in early wd... but not sure if that is healing or a skill set tend to think it is both) not sure what that is about seems to be some sort of ramping up of the system like anxiety but more word loss... words just slip away ... more cerebral like a hyperactivity no strain ... it is a fast cycling problem that tends to burn itself out quickly comes and goes. Seems like a short cycle from minutes to hours but mostly minutes severely affecting my sleep when it is hours. It all seems to come down to pills bad reactions to pills... except the reaction this time was not drug induce the only other thing is vitamin B 12 .. sub lingual half dose for two days before the blisters and a new supposedly natural facial cleanser. I suspect some common element I can avoid once I find it it is not tomato.. I tested that one already as it seemed to common.. unless it is something actually changing in my system with these cycles of healing that causes a reaction with tomatoes...or a previous thing I took that changed my sensitive system... like the B12 or when we say a wave perhaps other things in your system are changing in relation to the wave biochemical things not getting picked up on tests... as we cycle in and out they are not always there... interesting concept and it could be. I have never thought of this before ... Is it possible that my body is actually changing when we feel we are having waves could it be our bodies are changing as much as we feel they are changing that it is not just in our minds but biological it sure feels like it is, what do you think? wooo that would be a show stopper something to make me step back and re evaluate ... evolutionary type change...forced by drugs... that is too creepy... we are evolving or changing ... completely to adapt to a drug induced.....what? adaptation... I don't like it posed that way but then again I don't like living it either is this any worse is it true is the real question? hmm need to think on that. peace WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted April 5, 2016 Author Share Posted April 5, 2016 For anyone who wants to look Re: toxic buildup of chemicals from dying muscle cells, and liver cell death Sun, January 4, 2009 - 10:05 AM Leslee, The package insert lists the symptoms, not the causative mechanism. All of the symptoms that I read in the portion that you posted, including cancer, can be caused by neurological anomalies that WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted April 5, 2016 Author Share Posted April 5, 2016 I slept.... 11 - 3 something went to the toilet AND SLEPT AGAIN... to 7 that never happens... maybe it is the cell salts maybe who knows I have taken them a couple days now I will stop and see if anything changes. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted April 5, 2016 Author Share Posted April 5, 2016 One more thing somebody asked me about trauma therapy.... I did not know what they meant exactly but then I clued in.. this was in a pm that I already deleted yes I am on delay... in my brain.... I went to a post traumatic stress treatment place and got a gut full of resperdol likely spelled wrong and a benzo... part way thru the program I got wise to it... when I learned everybody in there was on the same drug not the benzo the other one... and I started asking what qualifications the group leaders had I asked in group so they had to answer... run by a shrink who was never there who just did the drugs once and done... I do wonder if I and others there were part of a drug trial... doesn't matter now it is ancient history... it lasted a few months no follow up... I stopped the drugs as the script ran out and had wd... yet again... that is what got me on effexor I went into that program drug free....but likely in wd from paxil that was likely the cause of my symptoms that were presenting like ptsd..... wd... it is laughable isn't it... Once on the drugs they gave my functioning really fell off the scale I went home and went to bed for a few months went down to a size 4 as I could not eat... went back to emerg for my mental health I could not get up to feed my beautiful dog .. what a waste of a summer... beautiful dog beautiful home great yard pool... but nope can't get up... to enjoy it .. that is what trauma treatment got me another drug wd.. worse then the one I was in when I went there.... bah... makes me so angry There is my trauma treatment story for who ever the person was who asked. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted April 5, 2016 Author Share Posted April 5, 2016 PS I had great grass roots group trauma therapy before I went there or maybe I would not have clued in they did not know what they were doing.... not really. That is why asked what qualified them to do this job what there experience was... at that point they started asking me ... I stopped telling them.. unless they were in a real glitch where somebody was going be hurt. At the end of the day the drugs should have been front and centre of the talk... oh and I told them where they could find a decent trauma group leader I checked her program the one that helped me no longer had funding and she was doing different work... and around we go. Such is life this is my take on it and I am learning everything the hard way.. escape and learn from all the others here who have been there and done that already... learn from our and (others the list is too long to post) mistakes WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
Muddles Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 This is an interesting read. Sent to me from another MCS sufferer. I am being hit so hard by this awful condition but a change in diet is helping slightly. http://chemicalinjury.net/ 2008 - Doctors appointment with stress induced anxiety led to Citalopram prescription. Severe adverse reaction Mirtazapine prescribed - adverse reaction but told to stay on. Poop out - December 2013 15mg Currently on 13.5mg, April 12mg May 10th - 11mg June 10th - 10mg July 8th - 9mg September - 0mg Link to comment
btdt Posted April 12, 2016 Author Share Posted April 12, 2016 This is an interesting read. Sent to me from another MCS sufferer. I am being hit so hard by this awful condition but a change in diet is helping slightly. http://chemicalinjury.net/ Thanks Muddles the page that would be of interest to me if I could be bothered would be the medical care how to keep from hurting yourself more which test could injure further... here is case others need it.. http://chemicalinjury.net/medicalcare.htm at this point I feel tired just tired too tired to be online or shower or get dressed... TIRED I am a bit surprised I have been here tonight as long as I have. I took a quick look at the link above it became overwhelmed.. that is how I feel tired and overwhelmed. I have spent a wk in bed not wanting much food waiting for symptoms of what is wrong with me to surface and nothing did ...no cough or rash or stomach issues other than not wanting food... nothing just extreme fatigue.. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
Celeste Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 Hey btdt..thanks for stopping by my thread and offering support! I'm in a bit of a dark place..your suggestions and encouragement helped a lot. Still having a rough time so I'll catch up on your thread here soon. Read your last post though..hope you are feeling better. Hugs. - Intermittent Klonopin use February, 2014 to September, 2015 - Off of SSRIs completely since April, 2012 - Had horrible side effects from Celexa (constant feelings of terror, insomnia) so stopped taking it after 6 weeks - Started 20 mg of Celexa in February 2012 - Began to taper off of Zoloft in May, 2011, off Zoloft completely September, 2011 - Increased Zoloft to 75 mg October, 2010 and decreased back to 50 mg in February, 2011 - June 2009- Went on 50 mg of Zoloft - October, 2007 - July, 2008- Celexa 20 mgs (tapered off fairly quickly) - 2006-2007- On Effoxor for about 8 months- switched to Prozac and cold turkeyed off - 2005- Paxil and Lamictal for a few months but stopped taking because it didn't work - 2004- Paxil for a few months but quit taking because of increased feelings of depression Link to comment
btdt Posted April 17, 2016 Author Share Posted April 17, 2016 After a time I got some running sort of sores which I dried out with clay... I know this may sound odd but I wonder if I have a shingles nerve that was tapped by acupuncture could a virus hiding in the nerve be activated? I also wonder if the virus is activated on the outside as in sores does it get activated on the inside in some way as I still feel like crap and I cannot clay my insides ...or can I? There use to be a thread on the topix site about bentonite clay taken internally to cure wd... he had a book he suggested but that was many computers ago. link I will look at another day sores have been followed by stomach upset more fatigue not there yet but better doc says I have a virus... peace all WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
UnfoldingSky Posted April 19, 2016 Share Posted April 19, 2016 Hi btdt, I was wondering how you were doing with regards the fatigue. Looks like it's still an issue, I'm sorry to hear that. Did it worsen for you as the seasons started changing? I'm overwhelmed by sudden extreme fatigue too and wondering what is going on. Also re the bentonite clay, I heard of that years ago, I'd personally be leery of trying it for withdrawal. Memory of course could be better but I could swear I read a story of someone taking it and having an issue with it who was not in withdrawal, some massive problem. I am not a medical professional and nothing I say is a medical opinion or meant to be medical advice, please seek a competent and trusted medical professional to consult for all medical decisions. Link to comment
btdt Posted April 19, 2016 Author Share Posted April 19, 2016 I did research it at the time bentonite but I was feeling better then then I am now. I can leach thing from your system that you need that can be a problem is what I read. I was doing ok with the acupuncture at first it made me slow and I told her my brain is top priority so nothing that could slow blood flow in or two my brain...without a brain I can't care for myself or be me. I only had 2-3 treatments the last one turned sour... I tried it as my physio was not holding I would struggle thru pain to get to a better place only to have it not hold and one day woke up and could barely move... so tried the acupuncture to help... seems that is a dead end too. The acupuncture person said it may have something to do with an allergic reaction I had the wk before or the benadryl I took to treat it but I doubt it... not sure why but I am quite use to people covering their asses when it comes to my care since I seem to react badly to simple things other people have not problems with. Fatigue is not severe generally but the last while I have been completely laid out...(like I was after the prozac reaction many years ago it seems to be leaving so that is good after prozac it did not leave for years) bed only for a wk or more after the last acupuncture... it is now completely off my list of things to try to help myself. I still don't have normal energy but I am not in bed I feel like I am recovering from a severe illness bit off and not myself yet. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
Moderator brassmonkey Posted April 19, 2016 Moderator Share Posted April 19, 2016 Unless you have a diagnosed toxic condition where something needs to be drawn out of your system I would suggest leaving the clay alone. It basically acts like a sponge and sucks all the nutrients out of your body. Used infrequently and in small doses it isn't going to hurt you but it won't do much for you either. Used long term it can make you very sick. In the late nineteenth and early part of the twentieth centurys in rural America there was a class of people referred to as "clay eaters". They were the absolute bottom of the barrel poor and unable to obtain enough food to live. To suppress the hunger they would eat small amounts of clay because it would make them feel full. They invariable died of malnutrition with in a year of starting the practice because the clay sucked the small amount of nutrients they were getting right out of their bodies. 20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013. Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mgpw it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks. The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better. Final Dose 0.016mg. Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017 "It's also important not to become angry, no matter how difficult life is, because you can loose all hope if you can't laugh at yourself and at life in general." Stephen Hawking Link to comment
UnfoldingSky Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 I did research it at the time bentonite but I was feeling better then then I am now. I can leach thing from your system that you need that can be a problem is what I read. I was doing ok with the acupuncture at first it made me slow and I told her my brain is top priority so nothing that could slow blood flow in or two my brain...without a brain I can't care for myself or be me. I only had 2-3 treatments the last one turned sour... I tried it as my physio was not holding I would struggle thru pain to get to a better place only to have it not hold and one day woke up and could barely move... so tried the acupuncture to help... seems that is a dead end too. The acupuncture person said it may have something to do with an allergic reaction I had the wk before or the benadryl I took to treat it but I doubt it... not sure why but I am quite use to people covering their asses when it comes to my care since I seem to react badly to simple things other people have not problems with. Fatigue is not severe generally but the last while I have been completely laid out...(like I was after the prozac reaction many years ago it seems to be leaving so that is good after prozac it did not leave for years) bed only for a wk or more after the last acupuncture... it is now completely off my list of things to try to help myself. I still don't have normal energy but I am not in bed I feel like I am recovering from a severe illness bit off and not myself yet. Hi btdt, Glad to hear you are coming around a bit at least. I have had weird reactions to things too so I understand why you'd not want to continue with the acupuncture. Sorry about the physio not working out either. The past few days when I'd wake up I'd feel like I could barely move too, not sure what was going on but today is a better day thankfully as it was starting to scare me. I'm wondering too now if I had some other illness I was not aware of. Re the clay I think I read of someone having major bowel issues from it, like a bowel obstruction. Whatever it was it was enough to scare me off trying it as I considered it too. From what brass just wrote I guess I made the right choice! I had never heard of the older clay eaters before, I know that people used to eat the inner bark of some (edible) trees, but they are nutritious apparently. Have a good night, US I am not a medical professional and nothing I say is a medical opinion or meant to be medical advice, please seek a competent and trusted medical professional to consult for all medical decisions. Link to comment
btdt Posted April 20, 2016 Author Share Posted April 20, 2016 Thanks for the comments. I am sure there are some uses for it I am just not sure I have any of those uses. There are plenty of books on the clay that I am not up to reading just now. The physio was helpful in some respects as some things have improved just not as much as I was hoping. There are some questions I am trying to get answer to still. I think when I get to state of desperation there is always the chance I will do something that is not good for me and when I am not thinking well the odds go up. I guess it is the same for all of us. I have been desperate many times have made it this far... alive at least so I will likely make it a bit further it does get old I will tell you that. wishing you peace WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted April 20, 2016 Author Share Posted April 20, 2016 I need some input... please. I have pain issues today two appointments... one with a ENT to discuss dizzy issues turned into arthritis in my jaw as the cause of the headache I woke with that is bad... naproxen was his suggestion but my stomach bleeds after years on those sort of drugs and so I declined. Next my doc has a report from the pain clinic that has declined service to me based on my previous reactions to the only thing they really offer...lidocaine injections... tho the pamphlet I received from them has zillion things they offered I was told the centre I was sent to did not have any of them only injections. They had two suggestions for me....both drug related... amytriptyline low dose for pain and sleep and or toradol... tramadol sorry I mix them two up... I was told it was the one like oxy but that was not addictive.... so whichever one that is. I talked of my history.... a bit nobody can sit still for my history I can barely tell it especially today with this head ache. I have done both these drugs already and plenty of NSAI too many. The other option was botox offered at a different type clinic... I don't know anything about it do you? At the end of the conversation I do not want to go to an oxy type drug and do not believe for one minute there is no wd... the trycylic suggested at a very low dose maybe a quarter of 10mg scares the pants off me ... just because it affects the same things as Effexor serotonin and norepinephrine... I asked if there was drug with just norepinephrine and was told no... but I think it is really adrenaline so that may not be true... do I want it I doubt it. Do I want any of these drugs...not really but there are days I really am wasting away from pain.... So should it come to that truthfully it has come to that many days I just won't give in but I am cheating myself out of a possible life cause I am too scared of the fire I have walk thru to date to swallow lines and pills.... so I suffer.... some times to the point of no life at all as if wd was not enough.... sorry self pity does not become me but I allow a bit now and then... skip it. This is on the table I have been off Ads now for 8 years 5 months ... but I fear my body brain system is no longer normal and I doubt my response to any serotonin type drug would be what is expected of a virgin body.... I am looking for input please has anyone gone back to a drug this far out... if so what happened... I will take best guesses and reasons for the guess... Thanks for your help. B WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
Moderator brassmonkey Posted April 20, 2016 Moderator Share Posted April 20, 2016 Just for future reference: Tips for tapering off Tramadol hint, hint, hint. 20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013. Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mgpw it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks. The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better. Final Dose 0.016mg. Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017 "It's also important not to become angry, no matter how difficult life is, because you can loose all hope if you can't laugh at yourself and at life in general." Stephen Hawking Link to comment
btdt Posted April 21, 2016 Author Share Posted April 21, 2016 YA thanks Brass I told her I took it before and it was like effexor she said it was more like oxy than effexor... I said if it wasn't that one it was toradol or tramadol.... ya I was batting zero today... I have taken them all it seems none of them cured me and all of them eventually got me here.... Either way I left drug free... so far... I just can't see my way clear for an oxy type drug till I know I am in an end of life situation where I will not live long enough to have to do wd again.... even then do I want end of life to be lived in an altered state by a different person... may as well just get it over with at that point but one never knows till the time comes I guess... we all want to live and live well maybe it is not possible I am not ready to cave but I am worn.... I could not get my brain to work today so could not converse appropriately...best to leave it for another time but I have to get it together... she said it is inhumane to leave me in pain... ya no **** WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted April 22, 2016 Author Share Posted April 22, 2016 https://www.amazon.ca/Chemical-Brain-Injury-Kaye-Kilburn/dp/0471292141 Chemical Brain Injury by Kaye H. Kilburn, M.D. Book ReviewChemical Brain Injury by Kaye H. Kilburn, M.DSOURCE: University of Southern California, School of MedicineChemical Brain Injury by Kaye H. Kilburn, M.D. Raises ProvocativeQuestions, Provides Disturbing ConclusionsLOS ANGELES--(BW HealthWire)--Sept. 10, 2001--Kaye H. Kilburn, M.D., RalphEdgington Professor of Medicine, University of Southern California, KeckSchool of Medicine, Laboratory for Environmental Sciences, has releasedChemical Brain Injury, a nineteen-chapter text published by John Wiley &Sons, Inc., that examines knowledge of causation, treatment and prognosisfor this fast-growing medical phenomenon affecting 15 to 30 per cent of thepopulation.Chemical Brain Injury, the definitive volume on adverse effects of chemicalexposure on the human brain, focuses on how common everyday chemicalsaffect the brain. It synthesizes the work of more than two decades of studyand treatment and 45 published papers. Chemical Brain Injury makes asignificant contribution to the environmental health profession byproviding scientific evidence for the neurotoxic effects of commonly usedchemicals, and the methodology for testing effects of exposure.Environmental health professionals and the research community are workingto develop a solid scientific foundation for the world to deal withincreasing numbers of environmentally-related health problems. Efforts arefocused on determining the causes of environmentally-related diseases anddisorders and identifying ways to prevent them. Chemical Brain Injury isbased on Dr. Kilburn's extensive work with patients and communitiessuffering from braininjuries resulting from accidental and occupationalenvironmental chemical exposure.Dr. Kilburn began his exploration of chemical brain injury as a skeptic. Bythe early 1980s, he was well known in environmental medicine andoccupational health, having demonstrated that airways-obstruction causedthe Monday-morning asthma from cotton dust in textile workers, which led tothe Cotton Dust Standard. He had shown how asbestos scarred the lungs'small airways, trapping air and reducing vital capacity; and that weldingfumes, aluminum refining, diesel exhaust and formaldehyde caused asthma bynarrowing small airways. But it was these latter workers' complaints ofmemory loss, inability to concentrate, dizziness, lightheadedness, and lossof balance that led him to consider how to measure brain function.He borrowed and adapted tests and built devices to measure brainactivities. He discovered how symptoms predicted losses of balance,quickness and strength, and loss of vision for color and form. Nearly 500patients exposed to chemicals were evaluated, and 4,000 people exposed ingroups were evaluated for chemical effects. Statistical analysis of data onindividuals and groups in cities, towns and rural areas providedcomplementary insights.His tests included some of the usual psychological tests, but also includedprecise and objective tests of balance, reaction times, vision and hearing.Often the observed differences between chemically exposed and unexposedwere so great, and variability within each group so small, that theprobability of test differences appearing by chance was negligible.Disturbingly, many of the control groups were found to be significantlyimpaired, compared to four groups that seemed least exposed. Dr. Kilburnfinally had to admit that we all may become impaired by the ubiquitoustoxic chemical exposures that float through the air and contaminate ourwater, food, and the earth.Dr. Kilburn states that conditions including MCS, fibromyalgia, chronicfatigue, sick building and Gulf War syndromes, chronic Lyme disease,asthma, ADHD, and others may seem different, but research has demonstratedthey all may be induced by chemicals.With impeccable credentials, Dr. Kilburn has often been an expert witness,and his testimony is unassailable in court. In many of the legal caseswhere he found significant differences, the exposed people receivedsubstantial settlements. These results do not satisfy Dr. Kilburn, however,who wants to make the public aware of chemical brain damage, which oftenmasquerades as accelerated aging or premature Alzheimer's Disease. ``Wedon't need a senile population to face up to our problems.'' WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted April 22, 2016 Author Share Posted April 22, 2016 I can't help but look as I want answers and may have to go to strange places to get them... would makes sense for the symptoms to be related to wd as wd is disruption of the autonomic system... but when it does not go away maybe there is more to it... hence this. I know health anxiety and googlitis... admittedly I have both. DESCRIPTION, FACTS AND FICTION : http://www.angelfire.com/me2/rsdpainpals/BeginnersGuide.html Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophy is a debilitating progressive disease of the Autonomic Nervous System. It is a chronic multi-symptom condition which is often characterized by severe burning pain, pathological changes in bones and skin, swelling, diminished motor function, and extreme sensitivity to touch. It can occur in one, two, or sometimes all four extremities , and be in the face, shoulders, back, eyes and internal organs as well. RSD involves your nerves, skin, muscles, blood vessels and bones. Although it usually occurs after trauma (minor like a sprain or major like a car accident or stroke), infections, surgery, or repetitive motion disorder, it can sometimes occur without any apparent cause. If diagnosed quickly and treated properly, RSD can go into remission. Periods of remission can last weeks, months or even years and often will continue until an additional injury or trauma to the body causes the RSD to become active again. If treatment is delayed, RSD can spread to the entire limb or other parts of one's body and the changes in the bone and muscles can become irreversible. Unfortunately RSD remains poorly understood and often times is misdiagnosed. This is why it is extremely important for all of us to learn as much about the disease as we can and to educate others, including our family members, doctors, media etc. I can't help but look as I want answers and may have to go to strange places to get them... would makes sense for the symptoms to be related to wd as wd is disruption of the autonomic system... but when it does not go away maybe there is more to it... hence this. ORIGIN AND OTHER NAMES : During the Civil War Drs. Mitchell, Moorehouse, and Keen began documenting and studying the soldiers who's pain did not end after their wounds had healed. In the years since then various names have been given to this condition including Causalgia, Sudecks Atrophy, Algodystrophy, Post Traumatic Pain Syndrome or Dystrophy, Shoulder Hand Syndrome, Pain - Dysfunction Syndrome, Reflex Neurovascular Dystrophy, Traumatic Vasospasm, and finally, as it is called now, Complex Regional Pain Syndrome (CRPS). CRPS type I was formerly known as RSD and CRPS type II was known as causalgia. SYMPTOMS : While not every person has all of the same symptoms, the major symptoms that most RSD'ers have are: 1: Constant burning pain which is often described as having a hot poker being stuck into you. The pain is known to be out of proportion for the type of injury suffered. After the injury or trauma, the sympathetic nervous system seems to react abnormally and send incorrect messages throughout the body. 2: Inflammation while not always present, presents itself as pitting or non-pitting edema. 3: Skin changes which include, but are not limited to, temperature changes, skin or tissue atrophy, increased hair and nail growth or hair and nail loss, dryness, rashes, increased sweating, and an over sensitivity to touch. 4: Spasms in the muscles and or blood vessels, tremors and dystonia. 5: Diminished motor function and the eventual development of dystrophy and/or atrophy. 6: Bone changes 7: Emotional disturbances including insomnia, depression, concentration and short term memory difficulties. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted April 23, 2016 Author Share Posted April 23, 2016 I found this old bit of info I sent to somebody else... all about me from Aug 8, 2008 I was off Effexor 9 months. I will review it later as I am quite surprised by the drugs I had been on.. gobsmacked would be a better word.. I had no family doctor at this time. I had real problems the last few years I was on effexor very thin stool pain lack of appetite vomitting ruq ( right upper quadrant pain) vommitting blood ( a lot couple of litres) I had 2 gastro docs check this out 1st did an endoscopy found sores in my esophogus esopahgitis gave me a med I had a reaction to put me in hosp. I went on pariet for awhile seemed to be ok in the beginning. The pain didn't end. 2nd gastro guy did endoscopy and a ct of my liver found cysts in the liver said carry on with the pariet. The pain continued as did runs and vomitting cycling with lack of appetite and no movement of stool. Ended with a clinic doc putting me on domperidone and nizatidine. I tried both of these drug for a few days then gave it up....I read all the problem with them and decided I would just stay off effexor and wait it out. Once in the last few months I took dompeidone when I felt me stomach was not working again the dose is 10mg four times a day after one day this were working again further more the main side effect is they make me racey can't sit still brings on anxiety so. I avoid them at all cost. I have a ton of pills to choose from I get them try them or read about them and then decide I am not going to take them. Latest on my desk are domperidone nizatidine lyrica mirapex cipralex prochlorazine.I need to get a family doc to talk to about this the last one I had would not hear me so we had a falling out. It is not easy to get a doctor where I live although I do have a couple of specialists that I need to get speaking to each other. It is so sad to talk to them and be ignored I am so tired of it. I have thought if we paid doctors directly perhaps they would treat us with more respect...one thought the other is if we didn't have insurance and only paid doctors when they made us well perhaps we would get better service not only that but the bad ones would have to shape up or starve and nobody would go to them... this is a case of third party interference insurance companies or govt. paying the doctors regardless of their performance. Think about it any other profession well most if you suck at your job don't listen to the customer you lose business and go out of business. This has turned into a rant that was not my original intent but it does make sense. So we give our money and power away to insurance and goverment and doctors and they kick our asses for it I don't know about you but I feel like a chump... WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted April 23, 2016 Author Share Posted April 23, 2016 Another one from March 24 2009 from a pp post thread was closed but I wanted my bit and it was sent to me... it is my history basically Here is your post from the closed thread:I don't have much to add to this except I have had a brain injury while Iknow some do not heal I did for the most part anyway I think it is allrelative. As who knows what my true potential pre head injury was or howit has changed me for real nobody can say.I have been in the state of what I think Skorian is getting at I called it" too dense to know your dense " I had this twice in my life after thehead injury 1985 and again in 2006 after ingesting effexor for 7 yearscelexa was added for the last 5 of those 7 years.These two experiences were so much alike I enlisted the help of my braininjury doctor as I was sure something from the accident and head injuryhad come back on me. I took me a long time to find him and even longer toget an appointment. The first spell of "tdtkyd" came after a head injurywhere my forehead went thru a windsheild on the first impact the second myface broke the dash of the car just to give a taste of the trauma it takesto hurt your brain. ( in my case anyway as that is all I know)The second spell of "tdtkyd" came in 2005-6 was a gradual realisation I amsure others knew before me. It was a time I now believe I was in poopedout and have no other explantions for it as I was really sick had bleedingissues and repeated infections. the list of my health issues is on here Iwon't repeat again. I was to dense to know I was dense but not to dense toknow I was sick. I had symptoms of and was tested for ms had plaques in mybrain that were not there after the accident. So I think it was theeffexor and the celexa that caused it the second time around.Of course I can't prove it I don't own a bunch of scientists. Theexpereince was the same and if the head injury is anything to go on itwill take 7 years to heal. As that is what it took the last time. Gettingbetter is a gradual process a lot of healing is done in 5 years. Anoticeable amount in 2 I was ok to live alone ( the fact that I had livedalone the first 2 years does not mean I should have been alone) but fullhealing from the brain injury took 7 and I feel the same type of damage sothat is what I expect.I say this because it is possible many things are even healing from thedamage these drugs inflict but it will take time. My son says he can tellthe difference in me in the last year that I am much improved and I know Iam as I can keep a thought in my head better. I am now 16 months and 1dayinto ct.I still have a difficult time joining my thoughts and recalling them likeI said it is the same as after the head injury. Except the thought problemnow come and go as the wd does. When the problem started I was taking tshemed stated the thing that has made it better is quitting the meds.There is always the chance that the head injury is what has set me up forthis fallout and that other non head injured people would never have thisagain I don't know. In reality it is like having two head injuries for me.What made me think of the head injury was the first post in this thread.First I thought I can't follow this it was too difficult next I thoughtthere is something wrong with the person writing. Kind of jumbled youwould think I of all folks would be able to follow that but it is way toohard. This is just my observation this post was a bit like how I thoughtsay a few months after ct or a few months after the head injury.We can all heal but really you have to respect the fact that your braincan only take so much and will present a bill please respect your brain. Iam not up on drugs and don't know a lot about, it but common sense tellsme no drugs is likely the best for a healing brain. That is my rule ofthumb for me.I think most drugs can damage you in some way there may be a few that areless damaging I don't know please be kind to yourself and your brains. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted April 25, 2016 Author Share Posted April 25, 2016 cipralex prochlorazine http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/medicines/brain-and-nervous-system/a7566/stemetil-prochlorperazine/ Neither of these drugs made any sense to me.. when I first read this so I looked up prochhlozine I know it as stemetil I was given it for dizziness and vomiting and not one word was said about it being an antipsychotic at higher doses or any affect it may have on a brain.. not to mention a brain that was in cold turkey wd from Effexor... I wonder what effect this has on my wd .. if it made it even more difficult painful or longer. https://en. wikipedia.org/wiki/Escitalopram Escitalopram, also known by the brand names Lexapro and Cipralex among others, is an antidepressant of the selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor (SSRI) Oddly enough or maybe not so odd I don't recall trying this one likely in the long list of lets fix her up with some more ssri drugs that was tried along with a host of others lyrica mirapex I wonder how many other drugs were tried I don't recall and when I am assuming they were all attempted before I my last ditch effort to re instate effexor in 2007 before I quit the marry go round...It threw me for a loop seeing this statement I made in that old post as I did not recall these drugs but there were a host of drugs in 2007 so it is not so odd my brain was jumbled. One day maybe I will get my drug history.. actually I am getting very tired of living in the past and researching drugs... doubt I will bother it surely is not going to change a thing at this point. peace all WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted April 29, 2016 Author Share Posted April 29, 2016 Whatever I am over it... now I need to worry about what food I put in my mouth... so will let that crap go and hope I don't need any more drugs at least for awhile. Should report that the liquid vitamin D is now off the list tho I thought it helped me to sleep opposite of what it normally did but this was a new type... my sleep went from right in bed for a wk to broken again... all I can think of is that vit D so it will be one more thing in my box of things not to take. The same doc who suggested that specific V D has also suggested another supplement of glucosamine with a few other things... and I am thinking I will pass. peace all WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted April 30, 2016 Author Share Posted April 30, 2016 At a recent doc visit while being presented with a list of drugs to try for pain I asked if there was a drug with only norepinephrine... I am not sure why I even asked if it is actually only adrenaline as I have read then how would it work... I don't know but I did ask and was told there was no drug ... today I found a suggesting in a thread that there is indeed such a drugs.. "If the anti-seizure drugs are found ineffective, the supervising physician may introduce one of the tricyclic antidepressant medications such as amitriptyline (Elavil) or nortriptyline (Pamelor), among others. The tricyclic antidepressants are known to have dual action against both depression and neuropathic pain. Other drugs which may also be tried, either individually or in combination with an anti-seizure agent, include baclofen, pregabalin, anti-seizure drugs (to calm nerve endings), muscle relaxants, and opioid drugs such as oxycodone or an oxycodone/paracetamol combination." I was reading about head pain and found this problem nicknamed the suicide disease... ATN often goes undiagnosed or misdiagnosed for extended periods, leading to a great deal of unexplained pain and anxiety. A National Patient Survey conducted by the US Trigeminal Neuralgia Association in the late 1990s indicated that the average facial neuralgia patient may see six different physicians before receiving a first definitive diagnosis. The first practitioner to see facial neuralgia patients is often a dentist who may lack deep training in facial neurology. Thus ATN may be misdiagnosed as Tempormandibular Joint Disorder.[5] This disorder is regarded by many medical professionals to comprise the most severe form of chronic pain known in medical practice. In some patients, pain may be unresponsive even to opioid drugs at any dose level that leaves the patient conscious. The disorder has thus acquired the unfortunate and possibly inflammatory nickname, "the suicide disease".[6] Is nortriptyline a controlled substance? Nortriptyline is used in the treatment of pain; migraine prevention; irritable bowel syndrome; vulvodynia; depression (and more), and belongs to the drug class tricyclic antidepressants. FDA has not classified the drug for risk during pregnancy. Nortriptyline 25 mg is not subject to the Controlled Substances Act. vulvodynia had to look this up yep it is pain and burning but I am so tired of hearing it is in your head.. I don't want to talk about it So while it does exist it has side effects like all drugs and I do not need more crap I don't want the crap I have it is plenty Pamelor (nortriptyline HCl) is an antidepressant that is used to treat mental/mood problems such as depression. Some common side effects associated with Pamelor may include fast heart rate, blurred vision, urinary retention, dry mouth, constipation, weight gain or loss, and orthostatic hypotension. Used in kids to keep them from wetting the bed could work the same for women with incontinence is my guess but not worth the side effects or wd for those of us already sensitive and afflicted.. ok I should not choose for any of you.. not worth it to me. There are times it all feels like a trap... recent papers suggest that in cases where pain initially presents as type I TN, surgery may be effective even after the pain has evolved into type II.[18] peace all The path to this is interesting I started at a site about multiple chemical sensitivities .. and there I learned the olfactory bulb is damaged in animals to cause depression so they can test the drugs " it is reasonable to hypothesize that individuals with dysfunctional olfactory bulb pathways secondary to inherent neurochemical and/or receptor alterations may be the population most sensitive to developing MCS." If you want to follow the trail it is http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK234798/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olfactory_system#Mechanical and all the ways it can get damaged...toxins is one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trigeminal_nerve then I looked up trigeminal nerve swelling for a laugh really cause I have a great deal of pain in this area nothing to do I guess... peace all WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
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