btdt Posted September 2, 2016 Author Share Posted September 2, 2016 It sounds like life is fair enough for you just now I hope it continues to improve. The jerks have lessened some not as often or as strong at least that is something. I have had some testing and am waiting on the results. I have been tired and looking at thyroid stuff found this one article I may need to read more about... thyroid problems and MS apparently have a joint cause. I am going to put it here for now and look closer later once I swing back to the non dark side wishing your peace and greater healing B Take home message:Patients with multiple sclerosis lack the enzymes that digest dietary proteins. Proteins contain essential amino acids such as phenylalanine. Research confirms that patients with multiple sclerosis (MS) lack phenylalanine and the amino acid tyrosine, which is derived from phenylalanine. Tyrosine is needed to produce both of the thyroid hormones. The lack of tyrosine would explain the association between multiple sclerosis and hypothyroidism. Also, notice from the graph what else we should find lacking in patients with MS. Dopamine is needed to produce adrenaline and noradrenaline. We will discuss the lack of adrenaline and noradrenaline in patients with MS in our next post. In our previous post we demonstrated that patients with multiple sclerosis (MS) lack the essential amino acid ‘phenylalanine’, the amino acid ‘tyrosine’, and the neurotransmitter ‘dopamine’, both of which are derived from phenylalanine. The lack of dopamine would explain the brain gray matter loss found in patients with MS. Sources:-Karni A, et. al. Neurology. 1999 Sep 11;53(4):883-5.-Malamos, B., C.J. Miras, J.N. Karli-Samouilidou, D.A. Koutras. 1966. J Endocrinol. July 1, 35 223-228 doi: 10.1677/joe.0.0350223. http://thyroidnation.com/multiple-sclerosis-hypothyroidism/ WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
Muddles Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 Stopping by to catch up in your thread. Sorry you've had to deal with the jerks etc. You were very brave to have gone to that wedding....such a huge thing to do. I haven't posted for a while as I don't have any big news and reading posts here is so hard - I'll read something and then it's gone plus seeing others suffer so much just breaks me. I think if you often. Always hoping one day something will change for the better. You deserve a comfortable life. Muddles ???? 2008 - Doctors appointment with stress induced anxiety led to Citalopram prescription. Severe adverse reaction Mirtazapine prescribed - adverse reaction but told to stay on. Poop out - December 2013 15mg Currently on 13.5mg, April 12mg May 10th - 11mg June 10th - 10mg July 8th - 9mg September - 0mg Link to comment
btdt Posted September 7, 2016 Author Share Posted September 7, 2016 Seizures anyone... I have had shaking and jerking of different sorts since the last car accident... we have been "watching" it. It has increased or morphed into something a bit different with a lot of leg jerking especially when I am trying to sleep I also feel a destabilised core I physio has noted difficulty with balance and that jerky eye.. thing sorry I can't recall what the term was. So the doc I am closest to trusting thinks this may be a seizure disorder. We did talk of testing me a year or more ago at the time we went over the reasons we would both to put me thru that crappy test and an hour ride home on the train after with sticky hair.... ... why bother if I can't take the meds anyway... and as he put it he could bet his receptionist money I would react and win every time. Cause he knows me best. So why bother still it does not make me feel any better about it. He suggested I increase the magnesium Threonate sorry if that is spelled wrong I am not into spelling it right.. I did increase the amount for one day and went back to 1/3 of the recommended daily dose. I am still messing about with supplements and sometimes think they are actually helping or hurting.. depending on the day... I am still going to the osteopath and think she is doing something profound given my experience with it which is a bit too much for me to talk about just yet... I am going to see a chiropractor... we will see. It could be if I am actually having some type of seizure where you do not fall down and shake that it could I was told affect my memory... and I should have asked if a seizure could cause a flash temper... of lasing out such I talked of on here recently with some body. Mad and lashing out when there was not a thought in my head to do so... like a neuro emotion but I was not really emotional more mindless. That is my update for now. I decided I am not going for testing now I have put it off a few times and I have put of the hernia surgery they called again yesterday to rebook I guess nobody wants to have surgery in June or July I have not called them back.. I don't think I can deal with the drugs I would need to have surgery...but it still hurts sometimes badly sometimes just some... so I know I still need it but it is not an emergency yet and it may never turn into one. I can't decide so have not called them back.. I know I am not going anytime soon it will depend on the dates she has maybe... even as I type this I know the answer is no... or so I think now. peace I had a hair test which showed high iodine... and other things high iodine can cause seizures. How it got high I have no clue I do not eat a lot of salt or sea food no seaweed as I react badly to it. MRI age related changes nothing that would cause shaking and wobbling EEG results not in my hand yet. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted September 7, 2016 Author Share Posted September 7, 2016 why can't I open this link Grace E. Jackson - In the media - Surviving Antidepressants survivingantidepressants.org › Current events › In the media May 30, 2015 - 7 posts - 1 author Surviving Antidepressants peer support for withdrawal syndrome ..... AMINES. AMINO ACIDS Serotonin(5HT) Gamma-aminobutyric acid(GABA) .... In the media ·SurvivingAntidepressants.org Privacy Policy · Site guidelines ·. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted September 9, 2016 Author Share Posted September 9, 2016 Infarct and CT - Page 34 - Treato treato.com › Conditions › Infarct December 19, 2013 | survivingantidepressants.org ... There is a hypdense area in right basal ganlia that appears to be a chronic lacunar infarct. ...Chronic ... this reference to SA I cannot find at SA... any ideas? WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted September 9, 2016 Author Share Posted September 9, 2016 A Case of SSRI Induced Irreversible Parkinsonism Siddharth Dixit,1 Shahbaj A Khan,2 and Sudip Azad3 Author information ► Article notes ► Copyright and License information ► Go to: AbstractSerotonin specific reuptake inhibitors (SSRI) are widely used antidepressants for variety of clinical conditions and have found popularity. They are sometimes associated with extrapyramidal side effects including Parkinsonism. We report a case of generalized anxiety disorder on treatment with SSRI (fluoxetine / sertraline) who developed irreversible Parkinsonism. SSRI are known to cause reversible or irreversible motor disturbances through pathophysiological changes in basal ganglion motor system by altering the dopamine receptors postsynaptically. Clinician should keep risk benefit ratio in mind and change of antidepressant of different class may be considered. Case is reported to alert physicians to possibility of motor system damage while treating with SSRI. Serotonin specific reuptake inhibitors (SSRI) are widely used antidepressants for variety of clinical conditions and have found popularity. They are sometimes associated with extrapyramidal side effects including Parkinsonism. We report a case of generalized anxiety disorder on treatment with SSRI (fluoxetine / sertraline) who developed irreversible Parkinsonism. SSRI are known to cause reversible or irreversible motor disturbances through pathophysiological changes in basal ganglion motor system by altering the dopamine receptors postsynaptically. Clinician should keep risk benefit ratio in mind and change of antidepressant of different class may be considered. Case is reported to alert physicians to possibility of motor system damage while treating with SSRI. Keywords: Drug induced parkinsonism, Epidemiology, Fluoxetine, Sertraline http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4378786/ mri did not show anything who knows what now. Go to: AbstractSerotonin specific reuptake inhibitors (SSRI) are widely used antidepressants for variety of clinical conditions and have found popularity. They are sometimes associated with extrapyramidal side effects including Parkinsonism. We report a case of generalized anxiety disorder on treatment with SSRI (fluoxetine / sertraline) who developed irreversible Parkinsonism. SSRI are known to cause reversible or irreversible motor disturbances through pathophysiological changes in basal ganglion motor system by altering the dopamine receptors postsynaptically. Clinician should keep risk benefit ratio in mind and change of antidepressant of different class may be considered. Case is reported to alert physicians to possibility of motor system damage while treating with SSRI. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted October 4, 2016 Author Share Posted October 4, 2016 Trying to sort out my life... with a movement disorder rejecting the scooter and walker the doctor has suggested when I can't walk I lay in bed.. going to doctors they all say rest and I am.... started back on mag citrate think it helps... I do not have my head around this one yet each trial has a learning and healing curve... I am working on it. peace all WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
nz11 Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 Wishing you healing btdt. Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing. http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651 Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos. Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you Recovering paxil addict None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped." Dr Mosher. Me too! Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015 I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015 Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017 Link to comment
direstraits Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 sorry for even more challenges to deal with...you're in my thoughts...xo went on Prozac 1994-99,60mg.poopout ct back on 2001-2002,prozac weekly 2002,not working,Effexor 75 mg.?2003-mar.2004 gaining weight 8wk. taper,wellbutrin 150 mg.mar. -may 2004 ctmedfree til july 2005 back to Prozac gaining weight again,back on wellbutrin jan.2006150-300 mg.bad constipation.also was taking aygestin(hormone)perimenopausal irregular bleeding.back on Prozac around sept,?2006,hysterectomy jan30.2007(adenomyosis)off&on Prozac til 2009,citalopram about 1 mo, April 2010 no effect,Effexor again may -mar, 2011.ct,Prozac aug,-dec, 2011 &sept-nov 2012,paroxetine oct,23 2013-may 4 2014 20 mgs.tapered 6 wks.-failed RI in Oct.2014-in protracted WD.started 10 mgs. Fluoxetine May 25 2021 .Stopped fluoxetine May 2022 at 5 mgs. Link to comment
btdt Posted October 4, 2016 Author Share Posted October 4, 2016 Thank you Nz and DS and I have a new one for you... if your open to speculation. Seems I always am as I am always open to anything that will get me out of this state and keep me out. I have been to a multiple chemical sensitivity clinic recently and since then have been reading about mcs... when I found a site talking about mcs and muses syndrome... or multi sensory sentivitity... light sound ect some people here have had it I had it and still get bouts where I need to close myself up rest and wait.... it can be found here http://www.mcsrr.org/poe/cohome.html includes this bit about carbon monoxide in the human body..... " Carbon monoxide (CO) is the most common cause of toxic poisonings and deaths in America, and has been for over a century. CO also may be the most common cause of MCS, but it causes a very specific type of MCS that we call Multi-Sensory Sensitivity or MUSES Syndrome. MUSES Syndrome is caused only by CO poisoning and is characterized not just by hypersensitivity to chemicals but to all types of sensory stimuli, including light, sound, touch, hot or cold weather and even (in extreme cases) electromagnetic fields. People who develop MCS after exposure to other toxins such as pesticides or mold may also be sensitive to one or two other types of sensory stimuli such as light and sound but what distinguishes the MUSES cases caused by CO poisoning is their sensitivity to EVERYTHING. Click here to read about a typical case of MUSES syndrome published in First For Women magazine. Fortunately, MUSES syndrome is easily diagnosed; even years after exposure, it is marked by a deficiency in the body's ability to absorb oxygen from the blood which is easily tested and can be safely treated with the standard treatment for CO poisoning, which is supplemental oxygen. More on treatment below. How does CO cause multi-sensory sensitivity? The public (and most doctors) are taught only that CO is an invisible, odorless and tasteless gas that can kill you in seconds at very high levels of exposure. But few know that CO at low levels is also vital for human life. We and all other mammals produce CO constantly in the normal breakdown of our heme proteins (such as hemoglobin in red blood cells, myoglobin in muscle, and cytochromes throughout the body) by an enzyme called heme oxygenase (HO). This production of CO by HO is increased 10 to 100-fold in response to stress of any kind, whether physical, chemical, biological, or mental, which is why HO is known as the Universal Stress Enzyme. CO also is produced by the breakdown of certain inhaled and ingested chemicals such as methylene chloride, aka dichloromethane, which is a common solvent and propellant used in spray cans of all kinds. After people have been CO poisoned, they may become hypersensitive thereafter to even very low levels of CO exposure (just as ex-alcoholics and ex-addicts become hypersensitive to their drug only after they quit). They actually become so sensitive to CO that they overreact to even the relaitvely low levels produced by their body in response to stress of any kind. While some of the CO produced by the body is bound tightly to hemoglobin, transported to the lungs, and exhaled, most binds to other proteins and is active in at least 90 pathways, including as a gaseous neurotransmitter in the regulation of learning, memory, heart rate, respiration and vasodilation. Of most significance to people with MCS is that CO controls sensory sensitization and adaptation to odors, lights, sounds and all other types of sensory stimuli. These effects occur at relatively low levels of CO (under 5 parts per million in non-smokers), so--unless adapted or habituated to much greater exposures (as smokers are, for example)--most humans are very sensitive to breathing or producing small amounts of CO. For a more detailed explanation supported by dozens of medical references, see our background paper on Sources, Symptoms, Biomarkers and Treatment of Chronic Carbon Monoxide Poisoning. CO poisoning should be suspected whenever any of the following "flu-like" symptoms persist or recur regularly indoors, especially if affecting more than one person (or pet) at a time: Headache Fatigue, Weakness Muscle Pain, Cramps Nausea, Vomiting Upset Stomach, Diarrhea Confusion, Memory Loss Dizziness, Incoordination Chest Pain, Rapid Heart Beat Difficult or Shallow Breathing Changes in Sense of Hearing, Vision, Smell, Taste and Touch (from more common multi-sensory sensitivity at one extreme to less common loss of smell, taste, hearing and/or vision at the other extreme) The standard treatment for CO poisoning is 100% oxygen (humidified) via a tight fitting non-rebreather mask. Oxygen also can be taken without humidification if inhaled into the nose via a canulus (without a mask), which most people with multi-sensory sensitivity tolerate better than a mask. Symptoms usually improve within weeks of daily oxygen therapy (2hours per day), although it usually takes 3 to 4 months of daily therapy until people can stop taking oxygen without their CO symptoms returning. To see if you may may benefit from oxygen treatment, we recommend you print out MCS R&R's 2-page protocol for diagnosis and treatment of CO poisoning and complete the questionnaire on page 1. Take this along with page 2 to any local physician you like who is willing to prescribe the recommended arterial and venous blood gas tests to determine if you have low oxygen uptake and could benefit from oxygen therapy. Although some physicians have the equipment needed to test blood gases in their office, most will need to send you to a hospital blood gas lab. Unfortunately people with pure MCS (and no multi-sensory sensitivity) do not usually have a problem with oxygen uptake and so cannot be cured by oxygen therapy. But supplemental oxygen may help people with other disorders whose symptoms clearly overlap with and may be caused by CO poisoning:" if you read all that well good for you... what does it have to do with the drugs I was thinking... nothing I know of unless you happen to have been one of the people who had this..... Rhabdomyolysis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhabdomyolysis Symptoms may include muscle pains, weakness, vomiting, and confusion. There maybe tea colored urine or an irregular heartbeat. Some of breakdown products, such as the protein myoglobin, are harmful to the kidneys and may lead to kidney failure.Signs and symptoms · Causes · Mechanism · Diagnosis I have not seen many with but some for sure I had red brown urine on one of my many hosp trips long old boring story that when I tell it people say I could not have had that or I would be dead. reaching yes that is what I do best it seems. if I had to choose I would take this one as it has a cure... oxygen for a four months verses endlessness... I would do it if only I knew for sure... something to chew on and likely get myself in trouble here yet again... there was one person at the pp site who looking back obviously had this... she was sent away wishing you all peace and healing B ps I want to add the feeling of having amonia like breath... I think mixter called it ethanol breath.... can't help but wonder if if fits this puzzle some place... biology is not my thing and as usual I really don't know just speculating again... some how this all fits together I just don't know how. peace WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
Marsha Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 My thoughts are about you often btdt . Hoping for healing for you to come. I am not a medical professional. My comments and posts are based on personal experiences. Please consult appropriate medical professionals for advice. I was started on psych drugs back in the late 80's. You name it. I probably was on it. 47 different drugs. Over 57 thousand pills. Tapered off final cocktail February 1st, 2013- September 9th, 2019. For Hashimotos I take Levothyroxine. Liothyronine. BP meds. For supplements I take B12 hydroxy. Fish oil w/D3. Bee pollen. Magnesium Glycinate. Link to comment
btdt Posted October 7, 2016 Author Share Posted October 7, 2016 thank you Marsha WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted October 7, 2016 Author Share Posted October 7, 2016 pardon me I need to get this all in one place I now have a movement disorder that is the update Make copies of all your posts here so you have it as a reference later when you may need it to see how you health has progressed as I wish I had done that way back at another site as I am sure there are particulars that would help me and my doctors today. You may not feel you have the energy to do it but trust me copy and paste into a file could save you a lot of stress later if you have further issues. Imagine if all you ever wrote here was deleted and you needed the information due to memory issues ... you would have dates and specific issues you posted here that information could be invaluable to the future you and your future doctors. Tremor I had before quitting Effexor and a dragging right foot ..my foot had changed and I could no longer put a boot on that foot in the winter living in Canada wearing clogs all winter is a bad idea yet I had no choice I could not bend the right foot enough to get a boot on. These are some of the reasons I went off Effexor I was way to scared to think of this on my own it was a neurologist who came up with the idea... After what I had experienced after taking Prozac - for pain and not knowing it was a psych drug as I was never told it was a psych drug... I thought the resulting sever adverse reaction was all my own crazy brain... I took treatment after that to keep those reactions from returning I had not clue they were all drug induced ... my fear of having those experiences again kept me drugged 18 years so you know I was not stopping Effexor without a fight but it seems I had hit a wall and my body was revolting. While waiting on test for MS ect to come back off E I went and tried a few other drug concoctions but they were of no value to me for the tremor or the foot drag or any of the other things... I know there were more but can't recall them now. Tremor and the foot improved gradually very gradually over the last several years I did however break that foot twice in the last six years and it hurts but I can't say now if it hurts any worse than it did before I broke it or not??? up for debate I can't remember well enough ... at this point it seems it has hurt for ten years at least. Why I don't really know various reasons and for the ladies out there it sucks to never wear a nice pair of shoes again side note. Seems all I had to do was get off the drugs and go thru hell to get my body to ease back to something I could almost be comfortable in there are many other things but laying contorted in my bed in pain is over... just some lingering things and pain of course pain has been a huge part of this for me .. body pain headaches. I had a car accident in Dec 2012 sound a long time ago but really it was only 15 months ago short if you consider how long withdrawal is... after that accident I had a tremor in my right leg and arm .. it came together at the same time to the same rhythm I talked to my doc about it and we both thought some nerve had been irritated and it would settle in time... it did gradually noting heals quickly for me everything is gradual... the arm stopped shaking in unison with the leg but the leg continued tho it gradually had a tremor less and less. When I learned years ago that these drugs can cause parkinsonism I figured that was what I had some form of it and having parkinsonism will leave you more vulnerable to Parkinsons disease in the future I was sure I would not be one of those people as I am adamant about drug control in my own body and have turned down a drug store full of pills in the past 6 years... If it was drugs that cause it I was going to lessen my chance and heal. This morning I was shaking not just my arm and leg but my head my arm my torso ...shaking all thru my spine. It lasted maybe a minute not that long but long enough to draw my attention that this is something new. I looked up tremor of course the varying types and causes. http://www.medicinenet.com/tremor/page3.htm#what_are_the_different_categories_of_tremor Read a suggestion of putting a paper on the outstretched hand to see if there was a tremor... there was in both hands. I read all the causes and since my sister just passed it could be a emotional issue.. I sure hope it is...I use to hate the idea that things were all in my head but today I hope it is. Stress of course can make anything worse... could be that too. Being in my head means I will eventually get past it when grief lessens. There are a few things I have been taking tho I tend to react badly to drugs I am taking and penicillin and two puffers for my lungs I had an infection almost done the antibiotics that I have never reacted too before... the puffers I don't like and in early withdrawal could not tolerate them one I think has a steroid and maybe it is the drug in the puffers that is causing this... I was jumping out of my skin anxious last night and took have a 500mg of taurine... that is it for my drugs... salvent and fluticasone are the puffers amoxicillian is the drug... it has been months since I was on an antibiotic this one can work sometimes I guess I could look up the puffers but this go around I really feel I need them or I would not be taking them... Drug induce tremor response could be due to the puffers if you have a leaning towards them I guess... I am not sure. This is my morning so far. A bit scary and I hope not a taste of what is ahead of me. Had to look up the puffers they both cause anxiety... and tremor... here we go again everything that has a nervous system side effect I seem to get... crap... I feel I need it but I need other things too... will have to choose I guess. I have had jerks and shaking both. In the past two years vibrating in one leg and arm on the same said at the same time. No cause has been sought hence none found I had a neurologist apt to figure it out but when I got there I could not remember why I went and apparently my family doc who referred me could not or would not write arm and leg shaking on the referral. The last apt was last Aug... it has taken 7 months to get an apt to ask the same question....oddly enough after two years of this it has changed and is just the leg that shakes most of the time. I have this idea that my doctor no longer believes what I say here we go again... as I have had this before all based around symptoms from these drugs... it gets very old. No word on the shaking yet but a neurologist said I had a psychogenic movement or reaction in my leg don't recall what word he used.. He wrote it down for me the neuro surgeon said it was nothing when I showed him the paper.. so I guess it is nothing. Or one more thing that is all in my head. I am use to it me the big google person I have not even looked it up. I don't know it this has anything to do with shaking or not seems to me part of the movement was a shake. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted October 9, 2016 Author Share Posted October 9, 2016 It is thanks giving wkend here in Canada so happy holiday to all those Canadians out there... I am trying to work up what it takes to go eat turkey... we will see... peace all WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted October 15, 2016 Author Share Posted October 15, 2016 Thought I had beat this movement disorder as things calmed down after a visit to an osteopath but today they started up again. I will keep seeing the osteopath is hopes it does some good. Also finally went to the multiple chemical sensitivity clinic not much happening there I was told a study done in the 90's at that clinic showed there was a genetic connection or appeared to be I asked to see the documentation and was given a vague answer about a website... I looked and could not find anything. A lot of blood work was done. Still kicking ha that is funny... not really kicking much now I want to try kicking something to see if I can... later maybe mostly I feel tired and need to rest a lot. peace all. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus manymoretodays Posted October 17, 2016 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted October 17, 2016 Hey btdt, Sorry about the movement disorder. Here is hoping that it is short lived. I just wanted to let you know that I had to cancel on Dr. Grace for the end of this month. I just thought that I am doing well enough for now.........and feeling like I should focus on other things right here at home. The expense........the what am I expecting to get or learn from her?............my sometimes flagging energy level...........I don't know........the cost benefit ratio just was not feeling right at this time. However, I do think she is somewhat on the right track as far as perhaps being aware of the heavy fall out from psycho meds........and delivering her message her way to the other prescribers.........sooooo.........it's all good. Maybe later......... Hope that this finds you well enough. mmt Late 2023- gone to emeritus status, inactive, don't @ me, I can check who I've posted on, and I'm not really here like I used to be......thanks. Started with psycho meds/psychiatric care circa 1988. In retrospect, and on contemplation, situational overwhelm. Rounding up to 30 years of medications(30 medication trials, poly-pharmacy maximum was 3 at one time). 5/28/2015-off Adderal salts 2.5mg. (I had been on that since hospital 10/2014) 12/2015---just holding, holding, holding, with trileptal/oxcarb at 75 mg. 1/2 tab at hs. My last psycho med ever! Tapered @ 10% every 4 weeks, sometimes 2 weeks to 2016 Dec 16, medication free!! Longer signature post here, with current supplements. Herb and alcohol free since 5/15/2016. And.....I quit smoking 11/2021. Lapsed. Redo of quit smoking 9/28/2022. Can you say Hallelujah?(took me long enough)💜 None of my posts are intended as medical advice. Please discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical provider. My success story: Blue skies ahead, clear sailing Link to comment
btdt Posted October 18, 2016 Author Share Posted October 18, 2016 I sure understand the money issue and the energy we only have so much of both. I am squandering my insurance money on osteopaths physio naturopaths I think I will live to regret it think I already do regret some of it. I have bowed out of a lot of doctor stuff and have been looking for alternative ways to deal mostly except for the mcs and neurologist .... I feel like I am back to square one. Think I already regret those too since my medical history has been taken down incorrectly and I already know how hard it is to change anything put into the file by a doctor with poor listening skills while she blames me for saying my life story wrong ... while they cover their asses... at this point I think half of what they write in our files is to cover their asses.. set us up in some way and discredit our truth and lives. that is my rant for now and I am a bit disappointed in myself for falling back in with the medical community... truth be known I knew all along that eventually something would come up heath wise that would force me back to the system they get us all in the end one way or another. I occasionally find hope in the personal integrity of one doctor or another seems to me Dr Jackson is one of them that in itself I think is rare. There are others just not enough of them yet maybe some day. I think we run the risk of pharma getting so deep into every bit of human life with this mental health push far reaching into schools old age home and every segment of society... ad campaigns that there is a risk of no going back... we will have missed the window it will close and it will be too late. That scares me some for the future but I can't save the world I can't even save myself. It is a very personal thing what doctors we see and how we try to heal ourselves you will do what is right for you at any given time. I would have been curious to see what she would have suggested as a healing protocol what test she would do if any and what advice she would give to people here. That is all.... she may have put some of that in her books I don't know I was too messed up to read when I finally go them from the library... I can't remember. Wishing you well M peace to you WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted October 18, 2016 Author Share Posted October 18, 2016 I am thinking the shampoo I have found to be less reactive for me is now reactive and I am going to try the no poo method. For others here who may be getting sick from chemicals you can find the how to go no poo here http://justprimalthings.com/2014/10/20/the-ultimate-water-only-hair-washing-routine-no-shampoo/ Here is a hint it took me years to figure this out if your getting faint dizzy sick from getting clean in your shower it could be the chemicals your using on your body.... I have avoided getting clean for this very reason... after a shower I would fall into bed with the whites of my eyes blood red and dizzy and to sick to dry myself... if this is happening to you it could be you no longer can handle the chemicals used to clean yourself This would include a long list of things used to make you smell good ect... some things it took longer to sort.. deoderant.. toothpaste household cleaning products I am now a baking soda vinegar and dr bonner user.... epson salts for some things.... basics all round since I am not going out much it seems to be the perfect time to try the no poo...I wish I had found it sooner... hope it works peace all B WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted October 18, 2016 Author Share Posted October 18, 2016 Lexy it was so long ago I was not on the pill I was on effexor xr and there are many other people who were on the immediate release but their stories for the most part seem to be on older sites that I can't seem to access. Maybe a person who has decent computer skills could find the old stuff but I can't. Sites where you can find a lot about immediate release would be Effexoractivist.org maybe paxilprogress.org and some on effexorwithdrawaltopix . The different between immediate release and xr I am sure has been covered here at SA best as they can tell. I think the people who took it are always your best source of information and most of them will be found at those old sites as it is from my understanding at least an old sort of drug. After the xr version hit the wd issues being had with the IR were resolved so docs all gave the xr. As for the light and sound sensitivity I recall reading an article about how Ad wd is the same as benzo wd... it is just not as well known. In that article both drugs caused both.. there was a list of symptoms for both types of drugs. I know I posted it but I may have been mostly posting at effexorwithdrawaltopix at the time generally I would post both here and there but not always it may be around still online. As for Ads causing this sensitivity you can find others with the same problem here: https://beyondmeds.com/2010/12/22/withdrawalsymptomlist/ Monica is a member here too http://rxisk.org/antidepressant-withdrawal-vs-story/ http://www.doctorslounge.com/psychiatry/forums/backup/topic-1013.html Possible withdrawal symptoms - racing heart; low blood pressure; feelings of small electrical zaps beginning in the brain area and then progressing throughout the body; flu-like illness withvomiting/diarrhea/lethargy; aches in the joints while taking serotonin medications, hopefully alleviating with decrease in dosage; emotions/anxiety/depression worse than when medication was started as the brain is a lot more sensitive to stimulators; risk of suicidal thoughts; loss of concentration, depersonalization or feelings of being in a dream; "whooshes" - you're looking at one object, turn to look at another, and it takes a second or two before the eyes catch up - think of Star Trek and the way the stars look when they go into warp speed; over-sensitivity to light, sound and touch; muscle spasms, most noticeable at night when in bed - so don't take it personally if you get kicked or punched for no reason, entire body can jump without any warning to the person going through withdrawal; possiblehallucinations or hearing of voices; paranois; stomach problems - aches, cramping, nausea, loss or gain of appetite; chills alternating with hot flashes; feelings of skin tinglilng or tickling - usually skin that is exposed to air - always kind of figured it was related to the over-sensatization of the nerves; feelings of chest heaviness - sometimes to the extreme of feeling that you are possibly having a heart attack; Unfortunately these are only a small number of reported withdrawal symptoms. Do a search for "discontinuance syndrome" and see what all you come up with. It is around it has been around we will likely learn more... Best link I just found on this topic here at SA http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/9912-overstimulation-and-increased-sensitivity-to-light-sound-etc/ post 36 by Karen B is interesting to me as I had both the sensitivities and the chronic fatigue syndrome dx and the mcs... multiple chemical sensitivity and long ago now was dx with ptsd... when all the other labels wore out or so it seemed to me... I am going to copy it here more about me than you at this point... hope you find it reassuring your certainly not the only one and it is not rare as was thought once. " The original link to the full article is broken, but Alto had later quoted this from the article: Quote It’s one of the most exciting concepts in neuroscience you’ve never heard of. And it’s becoming a key model being examined as a possible theoretical basis for Multiple Chemical Sensitivity (MCS) and Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD). Recently, a leading researcher in CFS/ME, Dr Leonard Jason, has argued it provides a comprehensive model to explain CFS as well.... Limbic kindling is a condition where either repeated neurological exposure to initially chronic sub-threshold stimulus, or a short-term high intensity stimulus (eg brain trauma), can eventually lead to persistent hypersensitivity to the stimulus. Kindling was originally discovered in 1967 by Graham Goddard, who was studying the effects of electrical stimulation of the amygdaloid complex in the brain in learning in rats.(1) He found that after long-term, low intensity intermittent stimulation from electric shocks to their brains, the rats began to have spontaneous, epileptic-like seizures – even when no stimulation was given. Goddard also found he could create similar reactions using chemical stimulation. In 1970, Gellhorn suggested that under prolonged stimulation of the limbic- hypothalamic-pituitary axis, a lowered threshold for activation could occur.(2) Girdano et al in 1990 proposed that the excessive arousal could lead to an increase in dendrites of the limbic system, which can further increase limbic stimulation and hypersensitivity to stimuli.(3) Ashok Gupta was the first to propose a similar theory as the basis for CFS/ME in 2002.(4) (A diagram from his paper is below). Based on the work of Le Doux in the ‘90s (5), Gupta suggested that an infectious, chemical or psychological stressor could create a “cell assembly” within the unconscious amygdala and that these cell populations are particularly resistant to extinction. As with Goddard and Gellhorn, this again implied that people could become “hard-wired” to respond more easily to stimuli and in turn find it more difficult to suppress the chronic stress or "fight or flight" response established by Selye’s classic model of stress.(3-5) Where limbic kindling takes our understanding of stress to new levels is the idea that this kindling leads to “hard-wiring” in the brain for an unhealthy response to stress. This was boosted by a 2002 paper in the British Journal of Psychiatry, where a systemic review of brain images of patients with PTSD found “increased activation of the amygdala after symptom provocation”.(6) In 2009, Dr Leonard Jason and colleagues suggested that chronic long- term hyperarousal of the central nervous system – from this “kindling” – leads to chronic sympathetic nervous system arousal.... And these following links by GiaK are really encouraging: Quote I posted the above PDF on Beyond Meds today... these are my comments from that post: This is a very interesting article. It’s in keeping with my posts on how the autonomic nervous system is impacted in psychiatric drug withdrawal and how that is similar in many different chronic illnesses. This piece goes into a deeper understanding of these issues. The author concludes that healing from these illnesses requires tending to the whole body/mind/spirit complex. This has become very clear to me as I continue to heal. Frankly it’s also clear to me that understanding a whole host of chronic illnesses from this perspective could change the face of medicine. Right now western medicine tends to treat these illnesses in ways that exacerbate them in the long run because they are only treating symptoms without an understanding of underlying issues. Most MDs are completely clueless about all the factors mentioned in this article and are even dangerous for many of us. See: We can know more about our bodies than our MDs do…trust that, develop it This is the greatest and most profound lesson this illness has taught me. Having and healing from these illnesses offer a penetrating look into the nature of humans as holistic beings that exist as part of the world and greater universe. So to repeat my mantra meme, Everything Matters. This idea also got extended into my memoir on Mad in America. My healing has continued greatly since the writing of that article. See: I Actually Woke up This Morning Thinking I’d Arrived, I’m Well . . . see post here: http://wp.me/p5nnb-aLI Follow those links in GiaK's blog to find the stuff on ways to heal these things. Particularly a type of meditation called Brainsculpting. I spent most of yesterday learning about it, because it's such a hope-filled understanding. If I were you I would be asking Alto for advice on which to taper first or how to go about this.... and it may be the information is already posted here http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/272-tips-for-tapering-off-effexor-and-effexor-xr-venlafaxine/ I do not have the stamina or brain power I use to have or I would read it and send you to the right post. At this point in time I am wondering if the hypersensitivity is a word about things to come such as mcs... cfs... I do wonder since they seem to all be related hope this helps you peace Kindling was originally discovered in 1967 by Graham Goddard, who was studying the effects of electrical stimulation of the amygdaloid complex in the brain in learning in rats.(1) He found that after long-term, low intensity intermittent stimulation from electric shocks to their brains, the rats began to have spontaneous, epileptic-like seizures – even when no stimulation was given. Goddard also found he could create similar reactions using chemical stimulation. this is my multiple chemical sensitivity connection In our previous post we demonstrated that patients with multiple sclerosis (MS) lack the essential amino acid ‘phenylalanine’, the amino acid ‘tyrosine’, and the neurotransmitter ‘dopamine’, both of which are derived from phenylalanine. The lack of dopamine would explain the brain gray matter loss found in patients with MS I can't join the dots I am not educated enough if I were I wonder if I could think well enough to do this ... maybe all wet again. nothing new there... peace all you seekers WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted October 18, 2016 Author Share Posted October 18, 2016 Infarct and CT - Page 34 - Treato treato.com › Conditions › Infarct December 19, 2013 | survivingantidepressants.org ... There is a hypdense area in right basal ganlia that appears to be a chronic lacunar infarct. ...Chronic ... this reference to SA I cannot find at SA... any ideas? This site no longer goes to page 34 it has been shut down at page 11 same old story... what does Trump say it is a rigged.same old story I have watched this happen over and over in the past years... it is what it is I guess no sense stressing about it but realising it is happening i also worth knowing. peace all WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted October 21, 2016 Author Share Posted October 21, 2016 So if you have MCS multiple chemical sensitivity your genotyping will be looking like this in some respect... http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/content/33/5/971.full KEY MESSAGES Multiple chemical sensitivity (MCS) cases differ from controls for genetic polymorphisms in drug-metabolizing enzymes. Significant case-control differences in genotype distribution for CYP2D6 and NAT2 were identified and a gene–gene interaction between these genotypes elevated substantially the risk for MCS A useful symptom-based, reproducible, and validated case definition for MCS was applied and will be useful for future research into the role of genetics in MCS. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted October 21, 2016 Author Share Posted October 21, 2016 Abnormal Medical Tests and Physical Signs Associated with Multiple Chemical Sensitivity http://www.mcsrr.org/resources/biomarkers.html WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted October 21, 2016 Author Share Posted October 21, 2016 detox or die radio chat with Dr Sherry Rogers mitochondria topic of interests and what drugs can do to the poor old mito.... She says yeast can stop B1 from being absorbed... interesting. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted October 29, 2016 Author Share Posted October 29, 2016 In 20 days it will be nine years free of EFFEXOR which will be one half the time I was on antidepressants.... I sometimes miss anniversaries in case I miss it... 9 years is a very long time.... use and wd... added up 27 years 27 years is a very long time. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
Lexy Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 Congrats for sticking around and helping the rest of us! Started Effexor August 2012 Sept'12-150mg=extreme anxiety Oct'12 cut half-75mg severe wds Feb 2013 68.5mg. Mar'13- 65mg. Apr'13-59mg. May'13-57mg. June '13-52mg Aug'13 49.75mg. Sep'13-48.75. Nov'13-47mg Dec'13-45..5mg May 2014 42mg. Jun'14 40mg (depressive mood started). Aug'14 -40mg/ started brintellix 2.5mg Oct '14 -39 Nov'14 36.89 Dec'14 34.45 Jan 2015- 31 Feb'15 29mg. Mar'15 26.72. Apr'15 24.48. May'15 22.31mg. Jun'15 20.30mg Aug'15-18.89. Oct'15 16.96. Nov/16- 16.10. Dec/15- 15mg Jan 2016-14.22. May'16 11.45. Aug'16-9.60. Sep/16- 8.88mg. Oct/16- 8.39mg. Nov/16- 8.13. Dec/16- 7.89 Link to comment
btdt Posted October 30, 2016 Author Share Posted October 30, 2016 I do try. It is an odd life still but it is life where there is life there is hope. peace all WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
NaturalBorn Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 have you felt significant improvement in that time? (i'm brazlian so please, ignore spelling mistakes) 2015 the beggining of the year started with effexor xr 37,5 went up to 300mgs in october of 2015 quitted COLD TURKEY/took olanzapine 5mgs for 2 weeks around november/ reinstated effexor in january of 2016 in march of 2016 was at 300mg again in may tappered effexor xr and added trazodone 150mgs, seroquel 50mgs and abilify 10 mgs/in july cold turkey from abilify (no big deal) in september tried reducing trazadone to 50mg after 2 weeks went back to 150mgs of trazadone and 50 mgs of seroquel and added 2 mgs of klonopin to use WHEN NEEDEED currently taking 150mgs of trazadone and 50 mgs of seroquel at night Link to comment
btdt Posted November 1, 2016 Author Share Posted November 1, 2016 Certainly i have had improvement there was a time I could not form a sentence... get out of bed eat walk... For some odd reason I seem to be back to some of these states now... the cause is different but the result is the same. Before I could not walk cause I was too week to dizzy had no brain now I can't walk at times cause I am shaking and wobbling and can't keep my balance. Generally I can think most of the time but I do have severe bouts of fatigue and I am back to not being able to think...or if I am around chemicals back to bed and not thinking more wobbling and shaking. I am much better in the area of terror I don't have terror I don't have psychotic bouts like I did I do not see things like shadows moving out of the corner of my eye... am I normal yet nope not normal. Is my life impeded yes it is but not completely.... perhaps in part because I have learned things to do to take care of myself. This too is a changing rubics cube what helps changes....except epsom salt baths - still on the list... food still on the list but now it is more what I need to avoid to not be sick and have reactions... foods have changed completely. Seems to be an ever evolving ordeal. I am now not worried about simply going mad as I was in early wd or dying in my sleep... or dying from lack of sleep or the insanity lack of sleep brought me. I do not have stretches of days on end where I cannot sleep and walk around like a zombie... half here and half in some nether world... I can sleep at least 4 hours a day even if it is broken and at times sleep long and hard even had a wk where I could not get up and slept almost the entire wk.with bathroom and food breaks. Am I happy about my state yet... no I am not this is not a normal life nothing like the life I had. Am I better yes... maybe I am one of those people who will never be happy or never be really well. I hate to admit defeat it is not really who I am but there comes a point where surrender is healing maybe I am there yet again. peace WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted November 12, 2016 Author Share Posted November 12, 2016 Spent most of this wk trying to recover from contaminations at the doctor perfume... at the store who the hell knows what all was in there ... and trying to wash smells out of clothes... recovery for me these days is laying in bed a lot twitching and jerking and waiting for it to stop window sometimes open sometimes closed air cleaner running sometimes a respirator mask on finally broke down and bought the real big version with the two round things sticking out of the face of it... no more carbon masks they are not good enough and I have been sick more than not.... that is my update for today peace all WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted November 19, 2016 Author Share Posted November 19, 2016 9 years antidepressant free today. Done waiting trying everything except drugs. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
LexAnger Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 Thank God, you are eventually seeing some improvement! I admire your extraordinary strength! Drug free Sep. 23 2017 2009 Mar.: lexapro 10mg for headache for 2 weeks. 2009-2012: on and off 1/4 to 1/3 of 10mg 2012 June--2013 Jan,: 1/4-1/3 of 10mg generic, bad jaw pain 2013 Jan-Mar: 10 mg generic. severe jaw and head pain; 2013 Mar--Aug. started tapering (liquid ever since) from 10 to 5 (one step) then gradually down to 2.25 mg by July. first ever panic attack, severe head/jaw pain 2013 Aug.: back to 2.75 mg; Nov: back to Brand Lex. 2.75mg -- 3mg, 2014 June: stopped PPI, head pressure/numbness. up-dosed 4.5mg, severe reaction mental symptoms added on 2014 Aug--2015 Aug: Micro taper down to 3.2mg, .025mg (<1%) cut holding 2-3 weeks. 2015 Aug 15th, Accidental one dose of 4.2mg. worsening brain non-functional, swollen head, body, coma like, DR 2016 Feb., started dosing 10am through 11 pm everyday 2/13--3.2mg, 3/15-- 2.9mg, 4/19-- 2.6mg, 6/26--2.2mg, 7/22 --1.9mg, 8/16--1.8mg，8/31--1.7m g, 9/13--1.6mg, 9/27--1.5mg, 10/8--1.4mg, 10/14--1.3mg， 11/1--1.2mg, 11/29--1.1mg, 12/12--1mg, 12/22--0.9mg 2017: 1/7--0.8mg, 1/15--0.7mg, 1/17--0.6mg, 1/20--0.52, 1/21--0.4mg, 1/22--0.26, 1/23--0.2, 2/13--0.13mg, 2/20--0.06mg, 3/18--0.13mg, 6/1--0.12mg, 7/6--0.1mg, 7/14--0.08mg, 8/17--0.04mg, 8/20--0.03mg, 8/28--0.02mg, 9/6--0.0205mg, 9/8--0.02mg, 9/17--0.015mg, 9/20--0.01mg, 9/21--0.0048mg, 9/22--0.0001mg, Link to comment
Moderator Frogie Posted November 19, 2016 Moderator Share Posted November 19, 2016 I was not aware that acid blockers can have adverse neurological effects. I've had issues with GERD and esophageal spasms since I was a child. The spasms are triggered by reflux according to my gastroenterologist. I've taken acid blockers ever since I can remember and have been off and on PPIs for years. I've had depression issues ever since I can remember too. I'm now wondering if the acid blockers were/are a contributing factor. I've previously read about the side effects of taking PPIs and weaned off them against my doctor's advice. I followed the steps in the article "How to Wean Off PPIs and Why" (http://howtotreatheartburn.com/how-to-wean-off-ppis-and-why). My acid rebounding was rough. I still have heartburn and esophageal spams but they not as frequent. I've changed my eating habits and plan on trying lacto-fermented foods to see if they help balance the bacteria in my digestive system and eliminate my reflux. Has anyone tried lacto-fermented foods to eliminate GERD? Thanks! How PPI drugs affect depression and other drugs that are metabolized by P450 have both been covered in this thread on the previous posts. Please read back. Personally I had to cut pills and taper slowly and added other things like tums for break through acid baking soda and water Apple Cider vinegar and water both are helpful diet stress reduction thru meditation relaxation videos every bit helps... and sit up to sleep or raise your bed head for a time. I have used a lot of probiotics and colostrum new roots brand is what I use it really helped.... latest for me is candaclear four kills yeast and adds a probiotic... seems to be very helpful. Other things that helped when I was at my worst... apple sauce with three capsules of acidophilus mixed in the apple sauce is a prebiotic will give a growing medium (pectin) got this from a doc long ago... her other idea was florastor one pill and I had a big yeast problem ... could be I had it before but the florestore was not suppose to be a problem but it was... I have a full bottle still it is not cheap... none of this stuff is cheap. Really bad pain is helped by a cold pack sit upright chew slowly... sleep sitting up. No coffee... licorice did not help me but candied ginger did. I guess if a person lives long enough with these problems they will sort out what works for them. Chlorophyll helped me too...tho it is not pretty you will see if you try it... Exercise helped me too... stretching neck rib shoulders back all help. peace all Hi btdt: How long did you taper off your PPI? I take 20mg Prilosec 2 times a day. Apple Cider Vinegar and ginger makes me throw up. I'm on a probiotic now. Thanks for answering my questions, I really appreciate it! Take care, Frogie xx PREVIOUS medications and discontinuations: Have been on medications since 1996. Valium, Gabapentin, Lamictal, Prilosec and Zantac from 2000 to 2015 with a fast taper by a psychiatrist. Liquid Lexapro Nov, 2016 to 31-March, 2019 Lexapro free!!! (total Lexapro taper was 4 years-started with pill form) ---CURRENT MEDICATIONS:Supplements:Milk Thistle, Metamucil, Magnesium Citrate, Vitamin D3, Levothyroxine 25mcg, Vitamin C, Krill oil. Xanax 1mg 3x day June, 2000 to 19-September, 2020 Went from .150 grams (average weight of 1 Xanax) 3x day to .003 grams 3x day. April 1, 2021 went back on 1mg a day. Started tapering May 19, 2023. July 28, 2023-approximately .87mg. Dr. fast tapered me at the end and realized he messed up. Prescribe it again and I am doing "slower than a turtle" taper. 19-September, 2020 Xanax free!!! (total Xanax taper was 15-1/2 months-1-June, 2019-19-September, 2020) I am not a medical professional. The suggestions I make are based on personal experience. Link to comment
btdt Posted November 28, 2016 Author Share Posted November 28, 2016 I was not aware that acid blockers can have adverse neurological effects. I've had issues with GERD and esophageal spasms since I was a child. The spasms are triggered by reflux according to my gastroenterologist. I've taken acid blockers ever since I can remember and have been off and on PPIs for years. I've had depression issues ever since I can remember too. I'm now wondering if the acid blockers were/are a contributing factor. I've previously read about the side effects of taking PPIs and weaned off them against my doctor's advice. I followed the steps in the article "How to Wean Off PPIs and Why" (http://howtotreatheartburn.com/how-to-wean-off-ppis-and-why). My acid rebounding was rough. I still have heartburn and esophageal spams but they not as frequent. I've changed my eating habits and plan on trying lacto-fermented foods to see if they help balance the bacteria in my digestive system and eliminate my reflux. Has anyone tried lacto-fermented foods to eliminate GERD? Thanks! How PPI drugs affect depression and other drugs that are metabolized by P450 have both been covered in this thread on the previous posts. Please read back. Personally I had to cut pills and taper slowly and added other things like tums for break through acid baking soda and water Apple Cider vinegar and water both are helpful diet stress reduction thru meditation relaxation videos every bit helps... and sit up to sleep or raise your bed head for a time. I have used a lot of probiotics and colostrum new roots brand is what I use it really helped.... latest for me is candaclear four kills yeast and adds a probiotic... seems to be very helpful. Other things that helped when I was at my worst... apple sauce with three capsules of acidophilus mixed in the apple sauce is a prebiotic will give a growing medium (pectin) got this from a doc long ago... her other idea was florastor one pill and I had a big yeast problem ... could be I had it before but the florestore was not suppose to be a problem but it was... I have a full bottle still it is not cheap... none of this stuff is cheap. Really bad pain is helped by a cold pack sit upright chew slowly... sleep sitting up. No coffee... licorice did not help me but candied ginger did. I guess if a person lives long enough with these problems they will sort out what works for them. Chlorophyll helped me too...tho it is not pretty you will see if you try it... Exercise helped me too... stretching neck rib shoulders back all help. peace all Hi btdt: How long did you taper off your PPI? I take 20mg Prilosec 2 times a day. Apple Cider Vinegar and ginger makes me throw up. I'm on a probiotic now. Thanks for answering my questions, I really appreciate it! Take care, Frogie xx I am sorry I can't recall right now my brain is busy on other things I think... I could not take the drug you take... I just looked up both your drug and the ppi I took pariet... I tried many before pariet including the one you take... I found this: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15258107 " The inhibitory potency of rabeprazole was relatively lower than the other PPIs, but its thioether analog showed potent inhibition on the P450 enzymes investigated, which may be clinically significant." rabeprazole is pariet... I am sure I reacted to the other ppi drugs because of a drug interaction... with the p450... I wonder if a drug interaction would affect wd symptoms from ppi drugs... if the ppi is affecting how your AD is metabolized I am certain it would... affect not only your taper wd.. but also your wd taper from ppi... they would intersect and interact.... COMPARISON OF INHIBITORY EFFECTS OF THE PROTON PUMP ... dmd.aspetjournals.org/content/32/8/821 by XQ Li - 2004 - Cited by 593 - Related articles The inhibitory potency of R-omeprazole on the four studied P450 enzymes was also studied and ... Drug-drug interaction (DDI) is mainly due to enzyme induction or .... During the investigation of the effects of rabeprazole thioether on bufuralol ... This may be something to put to the leaders her on SA to get their opinions.... something I have not thought of before maybe they have or maybe not. Drug interactions and absolute break down crisis had me cold turkey many drugs at one time pps were on the list... later I went back on pareit and then tapered off paying close attention to my diet... switched coffee for ovultine... ect... went to one pill a day to one pill every two days to trying baking soda and water to probiotics mixed in apple sauce... a few times I had to go back on but did not stay on... Tums helped... pepto bismal helped... I can only take a tiny amount of PB tiny tiny tiny sip from the lid... but it did help.. candied ginger tiny tiny bite one small square would last me ages lots of water... 4 cups in the morning just to get started... hope this helps.. here is link to probiotics one I found recently you may find some helpful ideas at it... https://cfsremission.com/page/33/ wishing you peace B WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted November 28, 2016 Author Share Posted November 28, 2016 Doing a lot of reading when I am up to it and trying a lot of supplements .... carrying on best I can... wondering why there are no respirators not made out of plastic for chemically sensitive people... I bought one and use it regardless of the plastic but it sure would be nice.... the respirator as turned my world around I had no idea I was so badly affected by things I was breathing in... more than I knew. STill I wish it did not stink of plastic... and that the store I bought it at sold refill cartridges... how stupid is that.. no refills going shopping to buy a new one in a smaller size with plenty of refill cartridges.... wishing you all well peace WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
UnfoldingSky Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 btdt, it's great to hear the respirator is helping! I am not a medical professional and nothing I say is a medical opinion or meant to be medical advice, please seek a competent and trusted medical professional to consult for all medical decisions. Link to comment
btdt Posted November 30, 2016 Author Share Posted November 30, 2016 my post from another thread turning into an update of sorts putting it here I read a book about multiple chemical sensitivity called 12000 canaries can't be wrong John Molot MD he is heading a task force on cfs me and mcs here in Canada it started May 2016 will last 3 years he suggests these supplements Co-Q10 150-300mg * alpha lipoic acid 600mg I am taking R type and don't know what the difference is yet.... L caritine 500 - 3000mg mag 400-800mg * not that much am amazed I am not reacting badly as I always have fingers crossed NAC 500mg * hit and miss "when we want to promote mitochondrial biogenesis resveratrol 40 mg 3x day * 1 a day quercitin 100mg 1-3 x day* 1a day also frequently add melatonin 3-9 mg fish oil 3 fatty acids curcumin /turmeric 1,200 mg creatine to enhance energy I am taking the ones with a star love that D ribose he did not mention... 5g 3x day vit e 400mg * vit C 500,mg * x2 glutathione 100 depends on the day* Glycine 1000 mg * when I have a reaction (shaking jerking too stupid to move can't get up) vit C and taurine too... sometimes Tried cod liver oil for 3 days threw it up for 3 days quit... enough already... tried fish oil bad gut quit it too maybe another brand....? the last ones he mentions I can't tolerate... yes I am still lost in the woods but there are two things no three that work for me D ribose only brand I have ever tried is corvalen.... B1 they will have to pry that from my dead hand..... magnesium... using the calm version and not reacting badly like I use to could I be healing something... I wonder. Because I have a movement disorder now and if I get around smells I shake and have to go to bed sometimes for a wk... and I know B1 helps me I looked up B1 and movement disorders... ya long shot and I got a hit.... biotin-thiamine-responsive basal ganglia disease - Genetics Home ... https://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/.../biotin-thiamine-responsive-basal-ganglia-disea... Biotin-thiamine-responsive basal ganglia disease is a disorder that affects the nervous system, including a group of structures in the brain called the basal ... Just one link of many I read... kind of read not so hot at reading I did not read the entire 12,000 canaries either I can't... not now... but it is interesting isn't it .... I am going to add biotin cause I take lepoic acicd the R one.. and if you are keep this in mind... http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/idssports11.htm#4 "The chronic administration of lipoic acid reduces the activities of biotin-dependent pyruvate carboxylase and beta-methylcrotonyl-CoA carboxylase; enzyme activities remain normal if biotin at pharmacological doses is administered together with lipoic acid. Even without supplemental biotin, the decreases in enzyme activities are not dramatic and would presumably not cause pathology in patients."R However, this last conclusion is likely made for moderate doses of aLA and biotin is so importantR that it should probably be supplemented for dosages of aLA above 50 mg daily. Yes I was going to read all of that to see the difference between ALA RALA ect but got side tracked... hope some of this works for some of you... Peace all B WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
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