Roxyrich: adverse reaction to prozac

[Fresh]

Ooh , I love ACV (apple cider vinegar)  in hot water with honey.  I can feel it relaxing my stomach as I sip it.  Taking it with lots of honey is soothing and healing too.  See  http://draxe.com/apple-cider-vinegar-benefits/

 

I tried bicarb. of soda recently , a heaped teaspoon in a glass of water.   It had a surprisingly nothingy taste , just a little chalky

after-taste.   It's especially good for helping balance when we're too acidic as opposed to alkaline.  The interesting immediate effect it had on me is that it neutralized the scent and colour of my urine , which makes me think I need to work on the alkaline balance.

 

Be sure to buy ACV with the "mother root" , that's the good stuff. 

[Roxyrich]

Thanks fresh, I've bought organic , but it hasn't got mother in it.

Some websites suggest taking acv and bicarbonate of soda together for best results.

I might try them separately to test it out.

[Fresh]

It really needs to have the mother root , that's the live probiotic.   Maybe you can return it?

 

I'm fascinated to know which website's suggest using ACV and bicarb. together.   Here's why - tonight I had little accident with my brother's face.

I was giving him a mini-facial with him lovely , natural skincare products.  First , a wipe over with a solution of 1/4 ACV and 3/4 water.  Beautiful.  Next , a gentle massage with bicarb. and coconut oil , moisturizing and exfoliating.  Rinse.

 

Within 5 minutes his face went bright red and angry-looking , he said it felt irritated.

 

We realized that the combination of vinegar and bicarb. (which I use as a toilet cleaner)  is the ingredients he used to make his daughter's volcano explode !!   They bubble and fizz as they create a chemical interaction.  

I've hardly been able to stop laughing each time I think about it (so lucky he loves me) , but in all seriousness , I wouldn't take them together either internally or topically.

 

[Roxyrich]

It really goes against the grain doesn't it .but I must have checked 20 different websites, and people swear by it.

Anyway, I tried it today on its own, with water and it burned a little, so I bit the bullet and took the bc and so far so good.

I guess time will tell either way.

Good news is I don't think either have a long half life, tomorrow is another day.

[Farout]

You two have been making me chuckle.

 

I am all over the gastro stuff. The bloating is beyond belief! Let me know if you find any answers. I am trying mint oil. It's ok but a bit burning.

[Roxyrich]

Well so far I've done 2 days of apple cider vinegar and bicarbonate of soda, no change. so today I've bought some dgl, I'll report on this later.

If you need quick relief from bloating, try any windease type products that contain simethicone, worked wonders for me , unfortunately, it doesn't really help gerd.

[Roxyrich]

Well that was a mistake, I've been using dgl thinking it was safe for heartburn, unfortunately I awoke this morning anxious. I took my dgl and m6 anxiety ramped up ,but I just thought I was in a wave, so I took it again tonight, and within half an hour, Massive cortisol rush.

I was sure after the research I did this couldn't happen, wrong.I'm gonna have to spend a full night, wide awake. I can't believe it.I hope it wears off soon.

[Colonial]

Anything way be a problem right now...

 

So hard to tell....

 

Hopefully the raised bed will help soon...

[Roxyrich]

I'm really struggling right now, I've got tingling in my head and arms.it feels like back in the beginning. I'm so scared that I may have totally resensetised my cns.

How can dgl do this. It is supposed to be safe.

[Roxyrich]

I can barely sit still.I hope this is not akathesia,I feel like I've thrown 4 months of healing away.

[Ali4]

Sorry to hear what your going through, I had the acid relax as well and I know it's not a nice feeling at all. I hope things turn around for you and you start to feel better. Ali.

[Roxyrich]

My head is buzzing, and racing, I honestly don't know how much more I can take.if it's an adverse reaction to the dgl liquorice, would it be months till it resolves. I was starting to feel better, but now this.

[crhawk]

Rich... last week I went to a psychotherapist who specializes in "alternative" methods. Hypnotherapy, meditation, reiki and such. Anyway, at the first appointment, he recommended highly that I try a Bach Flower Remedy. Said it was basically like "drinking water", "very safe"...apparently they absorb these flowers and trees into water and make drops with it, then add more water. Different flowers and trees treat different ailments such as anxiety, depression, etc. .. he said he'd only had 1 or two people ever in 30 years have any sort of reaction. Typically the "dose" is 4 drops 4 times a day, on the tongue or in a glass of water. He suggested I start with one drop twice a day because of my sensitivities.

 

I was having literally the best day I'd had in weeks. Best day. Anyway, I went home, researched it, even on this site. Looked totally harmless. I put one drop in a glass of water. Half through the glass I couldn't even see straight. Couldn't read, was dizzy, felt doped up, but yet high anxiety kicked in soon after. Akathasia. Almost felt hallucinogenic. I was scared out of my mind. I looked up the docs home number and almost called him at 10pm because I was so worried it would never end. Went from best day to worst, just like that.

 

By the next day I felt a bit better, at least more clear headed. But my internal trembling and burning rushes came back. Anyway, it has since calmed I think. Like you, I was worried I had just screwed up my 5 months of healing... ingesting nothing for months in order to heal... how could I be so stupid...etc... felt similar to the zoloft reaction almost.

 

I think you will be OK. I don't think you've lost your progress. It will just be a setback.

 

I've had a rougher week then I would've liked, but I've gotten through better than I was a month ago. Trying to look at the big picture. I bet you'll be the same way.

 

You and I are just absolutely completely hyper sensitive now. Our bodies are rejecting anything and everything still. It totally sucks. I've never been like this before.

 

Don't worry. Do your best to get through the night. Use the best of the skills you've learned. Minute by minute, hour by hour.

 

I bet you'll feel much better in a few days, maybe even by tomorrow.

 

Hugs and prayers to you.

[Roxyrich]

Well I finally got out of bed 0 sleep. my head feels slightly better, but my arms are still burning. I hope your right cr that was my worst night by far.

All because I wanted to help my gerd.scared to take anything else.

[Fresh]

What is dgl?

 

Edit: got it.  "The DGL stands for deglycyrrhizinated licorice, which is a version that is processed for safer consumption. "

[Roxyrich]

I read about your reaction cr, how long before you went back to your wd state.

[Roxyrich]

Yeah fresh, I researched it and was happy to go ahead.I took it for 2 days and the strange thing is I was getting anxiety, but I was sure it was a wave but last night I reacted within 15 minutes, that's why I knew it was the dgl.

Won't be taking it again.

Severe anxiety all night , and still strong now.just hope this isn't a massive set back.

[Roxyrich]

My head is dizzy, and I'm so scared. I'm just hanging on barely, so tired of this, I just need peace.

[Farout]

It's a wave that (by the sounds of it) has been exacerbated by the DGL. Sit tight. It'll pass. It's a temporary setback. It hasn't undone all the progress.

 

Remember that good week you've had recently? Focus on recalling that. Tell yourself it will come around again.

 

A few people have found various antacids activating so I just plodded on through the reflux and bloating.

[Roxyrich]

I'm worried farout, it's the restlessness, my hands feel ditached and my head is racing, I've not had this problem before.

I certainly won't be able to sleep like this.too agitated.

[Colonial]

Can you drink Milk?

 

That will soak up some of the acid if you sip some periodically.

 

Praying for you now buddy. 

[Farout]

It's the AD reaction. It will pass.

[crhawk]

Rich, by the third day after I felt more clear headed at least.

 

However, I've had a pretty bad day today, and honestly this week hasn't been great. I'm lucky that I'm able to get some sleep but I think that's helped by the Xanax (which I'll still have to deal with someday). Bad anxiety, brain fog most of the day, inner trembling and restlessness. Similar to you. I've cried a lot today. Losing hope again. This is so hard.

 

I'm so sorry you're going through this too. It sounds like we're going through very similar journeys.

 

I have found that usually once it gets real bad, some sun will shine through soon after. I bet you're close.

[Roxyrich]

Thanks cr .what a place we're in.I'm doing like you , minute by minute, hour by hour .wishing you a never ending window.

[Roxyrich]

Feeling depression quite strongly today, si really bothering me , I can't lift my mood , and feel like this won't really get better.

I'm praying for my old self to make a return.

[Roxyrich]

Depression is killing me, I can't see an end . It's the worst I've been through so far.I was definitely improving until I took the dgl. I'm sure I'm back to square one, 4 months of misery for nothing. how can this be.

[Roxyrich]

Does anyone think I could take just milligrams of any ad I'm desperate.

I'm not gonna make it. I'm sorry to post like this , can't sleep, don't want to keep going.

[Ali4]

I'm so sorry your feeling this way, trust me I so wish I had the answer, I feel the exact same way you do, it is just terrible, all I can say is in time it will get better. Ali

[Fresh]

Roxy ,   when you had the 7 doses of prozac in November 2015 , what dose was that?

 

You could try just 1mg of prozac , for at least 4 days , as per the thread on reinstating here http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/7562-about-reinstating-and-stabilizing-to-reduce-withdrawal-symptoms/

 

Do you have any there with you?

 

"For very gradual tapering, for example, you can dissolve a 10mg capsule in 10mL of water to make a solution with 1mg Prozac in 1mg of water. To take 1mg Prozac, use an oral syringe to take out 1mL.

Refrigerated, it's supposed to be stable for 14 days"

[Roxyrich]

I was on 20 mg , and felt a little bit weird for the first few days, then on the last day I felt like my head would explode.

Now I just don't know what to do, I know the risks with reinstatement, but feel so bad , I can't stand it.

[crhawk]

I'm so sorry Rich. Hang in there. You've done it before, you can do it again. You've seen some good days. You know they're there. They'll be back.

 

I had another terrible day as well. Terrible anxiety, and depression, and all the other accompanying symptoms. To a level I haven't experienced in quite a while. I, too, told my mom I didn't think I could go on any longer. I think I'm in a terrible part of a wave again. I guess...I don't even really know anymore.

 

But... we can go on. We must. I'd say hold off on reinstating if you possibly can. Maybe give it another day or two. But I am not as experienced at all as the mods are... so certainly I'd go by their advice. I just know how sensitive you and I seem to be.

 

But you never know... maybe a tiny amount is worth a shot and maybe wouldn't be a huge risk.

[Roxyrich]

I'm not sure it would work ,but my head is hurting in a way I haven't felt since the beginning. All day yesterday my head was begging me to die , I'm so scared, it's not a wave , it feels totally different. I think I've destabilised my cns again, I can't do this again.

[Farout]

Roxy, as an outsider reading this thread it seems clear to me that you are in a pronounced wave.  Your posts were gradually getting brighter, less obsessional even before you acknowledged that you were feeling better.  That was your window.  You are now in a wave.  It WILL pass.

 

You are probably not worse than you were before, that's your WD brain trying to persuade you that all is lost. You were talking like this before too and you came through it.  Even if you were better in your last wave, this is not a straight line recovery, it does go up and down.  I know you are in a terrible, scary place right now but don't give up.  You'll come through the other side to enjoy lengthening windows.

 

I will follow up on some stuff about CBT, which I have been jotting down for you but I wanted to respond fast.

[Farout]

I'll leave the mods to advise about whether and how to reinstate, meanwhile though, do try to read up on cognitive behavioural therapy.  

 

Until you are back to yourself you need to put some systems in place understand and compensate for the negative thought patterns you you are enduring.  These coping skills are crucial to help you through the rough times.  Some useful phrases (and my hodgepodge understanding of what they mean in WD) include:

 

Catastrophising - believing that a situation is or will be far worse than it actually is.

 

Filtering - giving more attention to negative things you see/hear/think because they are your present focus and ignoring, forgetting or downplaying the positives.  If you talk about buying a blue car, for a time you will seem to see a lot more blue cars on the road.  Ditto if you are thinking about illness, symptoms, etc.

Personalising - hearing, reading, watching on TV something negative happen to another person and become focussed on how it could happen to you (this was one of the toughest parts of WD for me, I felt I lost all my empathy because I couldn't cope with or be supportive of other people's bad news), then guilt, self-blame, etc, etc but, even then, it's still all about me.

 

There's more and a lot seem to blend into each other depending on which site/book you read.  All the same, I found it very helpful to label the negative thought patterns as they occurred.

[Farout]

Please also read this -

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/7619-for-those-who-are-feeling-desperate-or-suicidal/#entry111192

 

I called Beyond Blue in Australia a few times in the first few months. They were very helpful.

[Roxyrich]

Thanks farout, I have no doubt it's an adverse reaction. I know what your saying, about bad waves , but I am stuck in the moment. The depression is so bad, no sleep again. The pain comes in to the front of my head and sinuses and pulls me down and no amount of distraction helps me .