jeffelmexicano: hello I'm new

[jeffelmexicano]

2 hours ago, Shep said:

 

This is great, Jeffelmexicano. What symptoms do you have? Are they worse at any particular time of the day?

Im sleeping More than normal 

Last night had hand shaking while sleeping 

 

Always when i do the cut i have some hands shaking at night 

 

Maybe some irritability . 

 

Not much More 

 

Thanks shep @Shep

[jeffelmexicano]

1 minute ago, jeffelmexicano said:

Im sleeping More than normal 

Last night had hand shaking while sleeping 

 

Always when i do the cut i have some hands shaking at night 

 

Maybe some irritability . 

 

Not much More 

 

Thanks shep @Shep

Oh AND i have liver pain this also happened when taper ativan 

 

Also now some kidney pain  

 

Schedule Is 

 

1,25 MG ativan 8 am 

1,25 MG ativan 2 PM 

1,20 MG ativan 8 PM 

151,8 MG seroquel 10 PM 

[jeffelmexicano]

14 hours ago, Shep said:

 

This is great, Jeffelmexicano. What symptoms do you have? Are they worse at any particular time of the day?

I have waves of anxiety most of my symptoms i feel when im sleeping 

 

Will give it More Time to establish a pattern 

 

[Shep]

22 hours ago, jeffelmexicano said:

Oh AND i have liver pain this also happened when taper ativan 

 

Also now some kidney pain  

 

 

Do you mean stomach and back pain or do you have specific health issues with these particular organs, such as liver or kidney disease? 

[jeffelmexicano]

6 hours ago, Shep said:

 

Do you mean stomach and back pain or do you have specific health issues with these particular organs, such as liver or kidney disease? 

Well my liver have problems i guess its been hurting for some Time now 

 

I need to do tests . 

 

Kidneys no no was that day only 

No stomach pain 

 No back pain 

 

@Shep

[LostInCanada]

@jeffelmexicano might be gallbladder...so sorry..that can be painful 

[Shep]

20 hours ago, jeffelmexicano said:

I need to do tests . 

 

Please reach out to your doctor if you feel you need tests. While withdrawal can cause all sorts of problems, many of us do find we need medical attention for other issues because of the years that it takes to get off these drugs and heal. So it's important to know what is withdrawal and what may be another medical issue that requires a doctor's attention.

 

By seeking out tests to rule out other medical problems, if you test negative for other medical conditions, it can set the mind at ease and you can focus solely on recovering from withdrawal. 

[jeffelmexicano]

Hello went to the dentist 

Made me some fix im the teeth 

 

Told me to take ibuprofeno i dont think Is  a good idea 

 

Only that 

[LostInCanada]

@jeffelmexicano if you can handle the pain with cold packs or warm cloths, that is preferable to taking Ibuprofen. 👍Hope you feel better soon.

[jeffelmexicano]

2 hours ago, LostInCanada said:

@jeffelmexicano if you can handle the pain with cold packs or warm cloths, that is preferable to taking Ibuprofen. 👍Hope you feel better soon.

Yes you are right . Thanks canada !!! @LostInCanada

[jeffelmexicano]

Hello i did some studies AND i have glucose at diabetics values 120 

 

Idk what to do with this . I cant do excersice so idk thanks 

[LostInCanada]

@jeffelmexicanoAs long as you don't overdo it, you won't over stimulate. You can start with gentle walks of 30 minutes. And increase from there. Do you drink or eat much sugar? I do 20 minutes treadmill, just walking in the morning and a 1 hour slow walk in the afternoon and it brought my sugar levels down to normal. Do you drink natural fruit juice because it is high in sugars, I do 1/3 juice, 2/3 water. Lots of fiber is good too...beans, salad, while grains, etc

[jeffelmexicano]

Ok

12 minutes ago, jeffelmexicano said:

Hello i did some studies AND i have glucose at diabetics values 120 

 

Idk what to do with this . I cant do excersice so idk thanks 

I was diagnosed with metabolic syndrom some Time ago 

[jeffelmexicano]

2 minutes ago, LostInCanada said:

@jeffelmexicanoAs long as you don't overdo it, you won't over stimulate. You can start with gentle walks of 30 minutes. And increase from there. Do you drink or eat much sugar? I do 20 minutes treadmill, just walking in the morning and a 1 hour slow walk in the afternoon and it brought my sugar levels down to normal. Do you drink natural fruit juice because it is high in sugars, I do 1/3 juice, 2/3 water. Lots of fiber is good too...beans, salad, while grains, etc

Yes i Will start with More walks i walk like 30 minutes a day . 

I eat good idk ...

I had 120 before the down to normal values now UP again 

[jeffelmexicano]

I want to do ABS the fat in tumy Is the problem 

[LostInCanada]

@jeffelmexicanothe drugs we are on mess with our weight which affects our sugars, cholesterol and triglycerides. The doctors don't see the connection or they don't want to see it. 

[LostInCanada]

@jeffelmexicanoany pain from the root canal? 

[jeffelmexicano]

11 minutes ago, LostInCanada said:

@jeffelmexicanoany pain from the root canal? 

No thanks god AND thanks for ask 

I toguht gonna be painful but nothing  .... Well writing this idk If Is good or bad 

[jeffelmexicano]

2 minutes ago, jeffelmexicano said:

No thanks god AND thanks for ask 

I toguht gonna be painful but nothing  .... Well writing this idk If Is good or bad 

Like Zero pain 

[jeffelmexicano]

Hello @Shep @LostInCanada

I dont think im having too much symtoms of wd of seroquel 

 

Im currently at 151 MG 

 

Maybe my hand shakes a little bit at night 

 

I have seriuos metabolic problems 

One step to diabetes 

 

Im planning do cuts of 14 _ 18 days 

 

What you think 

 

Thanks 

[LostInCanada]

@jeffelmexicano I know Altostrata mentions the possibility of going faster on a taper under the tapering link:

If you think you can taper faster than 10% per month, follow this harm reduction approach to starting your taper:

 

Initially, make a 10% reduction and hold there for a MONTH. It can take several weeks for withdrawal symptoms to emerge. Do that again the second month.

If you have very minor or no symptoms from these 2 reductions, you can try reducing by 10% (calculated on the last dosage, the amount of decrease keeps getting smaller) every 3 weeks. Do that twice. If no problems, you might be able to reduce by 10% every 2 weeks.

Be prepared to adjust your rate of taper. When you get down to a lower dose, often you will have to taper SLOWER, or by even smaller percentages.

If significant withdrawal symptoms appear at any time, STOP TAPERING. Hold at your current dosage for some months, stabilize, then make smaller cuts or go slower. Listen to your body.

If you get withdrawal symptoms that do not go away after 2 months, consider a slight updose and hold to stabilize. You will not be able to taper faster than 10% per month after that, and may need to go even slower.

"Jump off" at the end when you are taking less than 98% of the original dose and reductions no longer cause any reaction at all. Usually, this is less than a milligram of the drug.

 

If you do this there is more risk. It mentions doing 2 tapers at 3 weeks first to make sure there are no symptoms. Be quick to hold if there is so that the symptoms don't stack up on top of each other. If it goes bad you will set yourself back. These drugs are so power and as it mentions when you get to smaller doses you will not be able to go so fast.

[jeffelmexicano]

34 minutes ago, LostInCanada said:

@jeffelmexicano I know Altostrata mentions the possibility of going faster on a taper under the tapering link:

If you think you can taper faster than 10% per month, follow this harm reduction approach to starting your taper:

 

Initially, make a 10% reduction and hold there for a MONTH. It can take several weeks for withdrawal symptoms to emerge. Do that again the second month.

If you have very minor or no symptoms from these 2 reductions, you can try reducing by 10% (calculated on the last dosage, the amount of decrease keeps getting smaller) every 3 weeks. Do that twice. If no problems, you might be able to reduce by 10% every 2 weeks.

Be prepared to adjust your rate of taper. When you get down to a lower dose, often you will have to taper SLOWER, or by even smaller percentages.

If significant withdrawal symptoms appear at any time, STOP TAPERING. Hold at your current dosage for some months, stabilize, then make smaller cuts or go slower. Listen to your body.

If you get withdrawal symptoms that do not go away after 2 months, consider a slight updose and hold to stabilize. You will not be able to taper faster than 10% per month after that, and may need to go even slower.

"Jump off" at the end when you are taking less than 98% of the original dose and reductions no longer cause any reaction at all. Usually, this is less than a milligram of the drug.

 

If you do this there is more risk. It mentions doing 2 tapers at 3 weeks first to make sure there are no symptoms. Be quick to hold if there is so that the symptoms don't stack up on top of each other. If it goes bad you will set yourself back. These drugs are so power and as it mentions when you get to smaller doses you will not be able to go so fast.

I didnt had symtoms yet maybe small anxiety AND stuff 

[jeffelmexicano]

I plan to reach 100 or 75 AND hold 

The get rid of one intake of lorazepam 

 

Then hold AND continúe tapering seroquel idk If Is a good idea 

 

@Shep

[Shep]

20 hours ago, jeffelmexicano said:

Im planning do cuts of 14 _ 18 days 

 

What you think 

 

Thanks 

 

Please do not reduce more than 10% a month off the prior month's dose. 

 

While the side effects of this drug are potentially very dangerous, you don't want to go off faster than your nervous system can handle. This is especially true at the dose you're at - as you taper down from the 151 mg mark, you'll be leaving the dopamine action of this drug and going to the histamine action. I wouldn't rush this too quickly. 

 

You're doing great, Jeffelmexicano. But please be patient. As you reduce down, the chances of developing diabetes will be reduced.

 

My fear for you is you may taper too quickly for your nervous system to handle. 

 

17 hours ago, jeffelmexicano said:

I plan to reach 100 or 75 AND hold 

The get rid of one intake of lorazepam 

 

Then hold AND continúe tapering seroquel idk If Is a good idea 

 

@Shep

 

This is a good plan. As you get down to these lower seroquel does and it becomes more sedating with the effects on histamine, you may not need the sedation of a benzo as much. 

 

Please keep posting updates and let us know how you're doing. 

[jeffelmexicano]

45 minutes ago, Shep said:

 

Please do not reduce more than 10% a month off the prior month's dose. 

 

While the side effects of this drug are potentially very dangerous, you don't want to go off faster than your nervous system can handle. This is especially true at the dose you're at - as you taper down from the 151 mg mark, you'll be leaving the dopamine action of this drug and going to the histamine action. I wouldn't rush this too quickly. 

 

You're doing great, Jeffelmexicano. But please be patient. As you reduce down, the chances of developing diabetes will be reduced.

 

My fear for you is you may taper too quickly for your nervous system to handle. 

 

 

This is a good plan. As you get down to these lower seroquel does and it becomes more sedating with the effects on histamine, you may not need the sedation of a benzo as much. 

 

Please keep posting updates and let us know how you're doing. 

Thanks . I think im not having wd symtoms  of seroquel . Not importants one tho . 

 

I dont feel the sedation of benzos i just take them  for not wd 

 

Im so scared im practicaly diabetic 

 

20 days cut ? 

 

That paper that alto wrote maybe can follow ? 

 

But ok  

[LostInCanada]

@jeffelmexicanoit takes so much longer to undo the damage once it is done. Better slower and steady. But every drop the body heals more. I know it is so frustrating but going to fast can cause symptoms like psychosis...not good. ♥️

[jeffelmexicano]

Good morning i would like to try 

Supplement of magnesium AND potasium for the diabetes 

 

How AND wich should i try 

 

Thanks 

[LostInCanada]

@jeffelmexicanoit looks like chromium and magnesium are good. Also probiotics. I use 200 mg of magnesium bisglycinate. It helps calm also.

[Shep]

On 7/8/2023 at 10:56 AM, LostInCanada said:

@jeffelmexicanoit takes so much longer to undo the damage once it is done. Better slower and steady. But every drop the body heals more. I know it is so frustrating but going to fast can cause symptoms like psychosis...not good. ♥️

 

@jeffelmexicano What LostInCanada wrote here is important. You don't want to rush off this drug too quickly. The setbacks can be severe. 

 

If you do add in supplements, please only make one change at a time. It's also important to not make supplement changes close to when you make reductions in your drugs. The first post in this thread explains why this is so important: 

The rule of 3KIS: Keep it simple. Keep it slow. Keep it stable.

[jeffelmexicano]

Hello gm 

 

I notice i have liver pain ..

 

Any ideas ...how to detox liver 

[LostInCanada]

@jeffelmexicanoit is not recommended adding anything like a supplement for that. Is it your gallbladder? If you have pain after eating (and the hours that follow) a high fat meal it might be your gallbladder. Fried foods, spicy foods, high fat foods like cheese, ice cream, full fat milk products, oils, nuts, wil do this. Tried to eat more fruit and vegetables with no butter or oils. Limit nuts and other high fat foods. See if that helps. Drink lots of water.

[jeffelmexicano]

2 hours ago, LostInCanada said:

@jeffelmexicanoit is not recommended adding anything like a supplement for that. Is it your gallbladder? If you have pain after eating (and the hours that follow) a high fat meal it might be your gallbladder. Fried foods, spicy foods, high fat foods like cheese, ice cream, full fat milk products, oils, nuts, wil do this. Tried to eat more fruit and vegetables with no butter or oils. Limit nuts and other high fat foods. See if that helps. Drink lots of water.

I have the most healthy life on earth i eat vegetables dont drink coffee 

No carbs 

All day drinking water 

Still myvliver hurt me ....

[LostInCanada]

@jeffelmexicanonot good...you better go see the doctor so he can take an ultrasound and figure it out 

[jeffelmexicano]

Hello @Shep im having a terrible tooth pain 

Dentist say i have to take antibiotics AND painkillers 

I read that in wd antibiotics are not good 

Also painkillers 

Can cause a bad effect 

AND dentist dont believe me 

 

What should i do 

 

Also he dont want to treat cuz of diabetes 

 

Pain Is unbearable thanks shep 

[jeffelmexicano]

1 minute ago, jeffelmexicano said:

Hello @Shep im having a terrible tooth pain 

Dentist say i have to take antibiotics AND painkillers 

I read that in wd antibiotics are not good 

Also painkillers 

Can cause a bad effect 

AND dentist dont believe me 

 

What should i do 

 

Also he dont want to treat cuz of diabetes 

 

Pain Is unbearable thanks shep 

De

[jeffelmexicano]

@Shep dentist gave me amoxisiline anribiotic. Idk If i can take that . She told me like Is my only option inwanted to ask you If i can take that anribiotic