jeffelmexicano: hello I'm new

[Shep]

12 hours ago, jeffelmexicano said:

@Shep dentist gave me amoxisiline anribiotic. Idk If i can take that . She told me like Is my only option inwanted to ask you If i can take that anribiotic 

 

Do you mean amoxicillin? If so, you should be okay to take this if you don't have an allergy to it. There is one class of antibiotics to avoid while you're on benzos and that's the fluoroquinolone antibiotics. Amoxicillin is not a fluoroquinolone. If you have a tooth infection and your dentist prescribes this drug, I would take it. Please don't let withdrawal keep you from getting needed medical attention.

 

Here is the thread we have an antibiotics:

 

Cipro, Levaquin, Azithromycin (Z-Pack), and other antibiotics Rate this topic

 

14 hours ago, jeffelmexicano said:

Dentist say i have to take antibiotics AND painkillers 

 

Here is the thread we have an pain killers:

 

Painkillers in withdrawal: aspirin, ibuprofen, paracetamol, acetaminophen, naproxen, codeine Rate this topic

 

14 hours ago, jeffelmexicano said:

Can cause a bad effect 

AND dentist dont believe me 

 

 

Instead of talking about withdrawal to your dentist, you may want to say that you're very sensitive to medications and you'd like to try the lowest dose possible. 

 

Please let us know how you feel. Now is the time to stop tapering and tend to your toothache. Once your toothache is better, than you can resume your taper. Please give yourself time to recover before continuing to taper. 

 

[jeffelmexicano]

2 hours ago, Shep said:

 

Do you mean amoxicillin? If so, you should be okay to take this if you don't have an allergy to it. There is one class of antibiotics to avoid while you're on benzos and that's the fluoroquinolone antibiotics. Amoxicillin is not a fluoroquinolone. If you have a tooth infection and your dentist prescribes this drug, I would take it. Please don't let withdrawal keep you from getting needed medical attention.

 

Here is the thread we have an antibiotics:

 

Cipro, Levaquin, Azithromycin (Z-Pack), and other antibiotics Rate this topic

 

 

Here is the thread we have an pain killers:

 

Painkillers in withdrawal: aspirin, ibuprofen, paracetamol, acetaminophen, naproxen, codeine Rate this topic

 

 

Instead of talking about withdrawal to your dentist, you may want to say that you're very sensitive to medications and you'd like to try the lowest dose possible. 

 

Please let us know how you feel. Now is the time to stop tapering and tend to your toothache. Once your toothache is better, than you can resume your taper. Please give yourself time to recover before continuing to taper. 

 

Oh ok shep @Shepthanks for respond . I follow the instruction

[jeffelmexicano]

hello . I wanted to update my status
i was cutting pills from hell and the first problem was i went on a bday. I took a sip from a glass that I thought was water and it was gin. Big mistake and it's in very bad condition. Later I had an infection and had to take antibiotics. amoxcicillin
For 7 days after this I entered a void that I did not think was possible. I really am a body without a soul that is the reality
my program is
Lorazepam 1.25mg at 8am
1.25mg lorazepam at 2am
1.20 mg lorazepam at 8 pm
123 mg of seroquel at 10 pm

My plan was to bring the seroquel to 100mg and then cut back to the 8am dose of lorazepam
with the reduction that per week that froggie made me
now i'm totally hopeless
the antibiotics and maybe that accidental sip of gin took all of me
I have no idea what else to say
The 8 pm dose bothers me with lorazepam because it is in a number of 1.20 mg and I asked here if it was possible to leave it at 1.25 mg
I lost all faith. I don't know if someone feels the same emptiness as me but if so write me
On top of that I have a broken liver or I don't know what but it hurts a lot
and diabetes is that I can not eat anything rich
anyway greetings SA

 

[jeffelmexicano]

Just now, jeffelmexicano said:

hello . I wanted to update my status
i was cutting pills from hell and the first problem was i went on a bday. I took a sip from a glass that I thought was water and it was gin. Big mistake and it's in very bad condition. Later I had an infection and had to take antibiotics. amoxcicillin
For 7 days after this I entered a void that I did not think was possible. I really am a body without a soul that is the reality
my program is
Lorazepam 1.25mg at 8am
1.25mg lorazepam at 2am
1.20 mg lorazepam at 8 pm
123 mg of seroquel at 10 pm

My plan was to bring the seroquel to 100mg and then cut back to the 8am dose of lorazepam
with the reduction that per week that froggie made me
now i'm totally hopeless
the antibiotics and maybe that accidental sip of gin took all of me
I have no idea what else to say
The 8 pm dose bothers me with lorazepam because it is in a number of 1.20 mg and I asked here if it was possible to leave it at 1.25 mg
I lost all faith. I don't know if someone feels the same emptiness as me but if so write me
On top of that I have a broken liver or I don't know what but it hurts a lot
and diabetes is that I can not eat anything rich
anyway greetings SA

 

@Frogie  @Shep

[jeffelmexicano]

I did that with translator .the thing i wrote above  

My symptoms are 

0 emotioms 

0 feelings 

0 sexuality 

0 love feel 

0 empaty 

I just work like a robot eat work sleep reapet 

Too many things going on on my boddy 

Is posible life like this ? 

 

Its crazy cuz i should be feeling better right ? 

Ok 

[LostInCanada]

@jeffelmexicano how long have you been taking 136mg of Seroquel, you just haven't updated your signature. This latest situation with the antibiotic has really affected you negatively. It will get better...it will just take time. 

[jeffelmexicano]

39 minutes ago, LostInCanada said:

@jeffelmexicano how long have you been taking 136mg of Seroquel, you just haven't updated your signature. This latest situation with the antibiotic has really affected you negatively. It will get better...it will just take time. 

Im doing cuts of 21 days . Beacuse i dont feel bad with the cuts . I have no clue what i feel . Well maybe improve who knows . I want to do weekley taper of lorazepam 8 am dose . I hate just open eyes AND take this poison 

Greetings 

[LostInCanada]

@jeffelmexicano the lorezapam stays in your system for 12 hours so it probably would be better to cut the afternoon dose but I am sure @Shepcan advise. Glad the cuts are going well.

[jeffelmexicano]

48 minutes ago, LostInCanada said:

@jeffelmexicano the lorezapam stays in your system for 12 hours so it probably would be better to cut the afternoon dose but I am sure @Shepcan advise. Glad the cuts are going well.

Thanks canada ❤️

[jeffelmexicano]

You think i should get rid of night dose of lorazepam 1,20 MG @Altostrata

[Altostrata]

Please do not tag me again, @jeffelmexicano Perhaps @Shep will answer your questions.

[jeffelmexicano]

Just now, Altostrata said:

Please do not tag me again, @jeffelmexicano Perhaps @Shep will answer your questions.

Oh ok im sorry 

[jeffelmexicano]

I really dont know what i did wrong alto . Im struggling If i offended you someway im really sorry . You are the boss never wanted to disrespect you @Altostrataim tagging just to say sorry If i disrespect  you . No More tags sorry alto  

[LostInCanada]

@jeffelmexicano how are you doing with your infection. Did the antibiotics clear it up? Hope you get over this anhedonia soon. 

[jeffelmexicano]

1 minute ago, LostInCanada said:

@jeffelmexicano how are you doing with your infection. Did the antibiotics clear it up? Hope you get over this anhedonia soon. 

The infection clear it up . The anheodnia no . Thanks for asking 

[Altostrata]

This makes me angry, @jeffelmexicano I've explained that anhedonia accompanies your taking psychiatric drugs many, many times.

 

I've also asked that you not tag me, and you have tagged me again. Leave me alone. Do not tag me.

[LostInCanada]

@jeffelmexicano thanks for updating your signature. I know you panicked a bit over the diabetes scare but speeding up the taper could cause worse problems. You are at 123 mg of Seroquel so please wait out a full 4 weeks to help things stabilize especially since the antibiotics. 👍 All of us came here for help because we needed guidance. Shep knows her stuff so the more you listen the better you will do. It's hard when the brain isn't working like it should but your body needs you to be kind. 👍

[littlebird]

52 minutes ago, LostInCanada said:

thanks for updating your signature. I know you panicked a bit over the diabetes scare but speeding up the taper could cause worse problems.

Hey dude, when I tapered Seroquel my blood sugar was affected so please go slow with that one and give yourself time to recover after each cut. You might also have feelings coming back, which can be overwhelming after anhedonia, which is another great reason to take it slow. Hope you find relief soon! Take care of yourself

[jeffelmexicano]

Thanks for the input 

I dont understand i down from 187 MG to 123 MG with not much physical symptoms but anheodnia went worst . I should feel More right AND not less .I gonna be slowly now maybe its. Thanks for the words 

@LostInCanada @littlebird

[LostInCanada]

@jeffelmexicano I think your body just needs more time to process the changes before you cut more like @littlebirdsaid. Always best to listen to those that have been on the same drug. 

[PurpleRein]

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 I have a broken liver or I don't know what but it hurts a lot

 

Actually, the liver doesn't cause abdominal pain.

Edited August 7, 2023 by Altostrata
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[Altostrata]

Liver disease can cause abdominal pain.

[LostInCanada]

I just wanted to put this quote here from our private message so we have it to go by:

"I think . Later when im stable 

 

Put all doses lorazepam in 1.20 then 1.10 then 1 MG 

 

Hold AND then take seroquel to 100" 

 

I think this is a good plan.

[jeffelmexicano]

@LostInCanada was just an idea .... Like asking what you think not a real plan. Thanks anyway 

 

I take 1,25 MG lorazepam 8am 

1,25 MG lorazepam 2 PM 

1,20 MG lorazepam 8 PM 

You have some idea how to low that dose ? Thanks @Frogie

[jeffelmexicano]

3 minutes ago, jeffelmexicano said:

@LostInCanada was just an idea .... Like asking what you think not a real plan. Thanks anyway 

 

I take 1,25 MG lorazepam 8am 

1,25 MG lorazepam 2 PM 

1,20 MG lorazepam 8 PM 

You have some idea how to low that dose ? Thanks @Frogie

Wich in total Is 3,70 MG wich my brain cant handle .

[LostInCanada]

@jeffelmexicano how are you doing? Sounds like you are going to hold the Seroquel for now. 3.7 mg lorezapam is still alot  for sure. I know @Frogiementioned 10% weekly before if no WD and benzo buddies mentions 10-14 days if no WD. @Shepwhich dose should he reduce first? 

[Shep]

@jeffelmexicano You have this in your signature:

 

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June 23 2023 down seroquel to 151 ,8 MG 

July 7 136 mg seroquel -july28 123 MG seroquel 

 

 

You just made another Seroquel reduction 18 days ago, so I wouldn't reduce either of your drugs yet. That's not enough of a hold.

 

Going from 151.8 mg down to 123 mg Seroquel was a 19% reduction from June 23 - July 28, which is only 35 days, so barely over a month. We recommend no more than a 10% reduction per month (based on the prior month's dose, not the originally prescribed dose). 

 

Please note this from one of my earlier posts regarding your seroquel reduction: 

 

On 7/8/2023 at 6:40 AM, Shep said:

While the side effects of this drug are potentially very dangerous, you don't want to go off faster than your nervous system can handle. This is especially true at the dose you're at - as you taper down from the 151 mg mark, you'll be leaving the dopamine action of this drug and going to the histamine action. I wouldn't rush this too quickly. 

 

You've been concerned about the side effects of the Seroquel. Why are now wanting to taper the benzo? Please update us on your strategy of going off. Are you no longer concerned about the side effects of the Seroquel? 

 

On 8/5/2023 at 4:13 PM, jeffelmexicano said:

Thanks for the input 

I dont understand i down from 187 MG to 123 MG with not much physical symptoms but anheodnia went worst . I should feel More right AND not less .I gonna be slowly now maybe its. Thanks for the words 

 

 

The anhedonia may be a withdrawal effect. You may be confusing Seroquel withdrawal symptoms with the side effects of the benzo. Because your Seroquel taper has been too fast, I would assume that the upticks in anhedonia are from withdrawal, at least until you give yourself enough time to adjust to the recent Seroquel reductions. 

 

In other words, I would hold for a few more weeks and try to get a better baseline and then let's discuss what to do next.

 

Please post your thoughts. 

[jeffelmexicano]

1 hour ago, Shep said:

@jeffelmexicano You have this in your signature:

 

 

You just made another Seroquel reduction 18 days ago, so I wouldn't reduce either of your drugs yet. That's not enough of a hold.

 

Going from 151.8 mg down to 123 mg Seroquel was a 19% reduction from June 23 - July 28, which is only 35 days, so barely over a month. We recommend no more than a 10% reduction per month (based on the prior month's dose, not the originally prescribed dose). 

 

Please note this from one of my earlier posts regarding your seroquel reduction: 

 

 

You've been concerned about the side effects of the Seroquel. Why are now wanting to taper the benzo? Please update us on your strategy of going off. Are you no longer concerned about the side effects of the Seroquel? 

 

 

The anhedonia may be a withdrawal effect. You may be confusing Seroquel withdrawal symptoms with the side effects of the benzo. Because your Seroquel taper has been too fast, I would assume that the upticks in anhedonia are from withdrawal, at least until you give yourself enough time to adjust to the recent Seroquel reductions. 

 

In other words, I would hold for a few more weeks and try to get a better baseline and then let's discuss what to do next.

 

Please post your thoughts. 

Thanks for answering shep . 

Ya im on hold of all meds 

I Will do whats best 

Im not sure what is it 

I only was thinking that 3,70 MG lorazepam  is too much 

Maybe reduce that dose a bit before continúe tapering ? 

If something helps with this info . I losted my night erections 

Also heard that too much benzos can be causing this anheodnia  

Still just toguhts im on hold 

 

Ofc people want off asap 

 

Just sharing my thinking 

Thanks @LostInCanada @Shep

[jeffelmexicano]

Also i used to dreamed with emotions . Now that dont happen . Sorry thanks 

[jeffelmexicano]

13 minutes ago, jeffelmexicano said:

Also i used to dreamed with emotions . Now that dont happen . Sorry thanks 

Sharing another toguht 

( Sorry for too many posts im kinda of slow now ) 

I want to remark . I was numb . But listen to music . Had some sexuality wake UP with Energy .but since the fatal mistake when accidentaly took doble dose of seroquel . Anhedonia went high 

No More music or things . 

That make me think that the overdose made some bad function . 

So in my mind i think ok i need to be off of seroquel or im making my bad  function worst 

At the same Time the dose of benzo are very high . 

But before doble dose i was on More dose of seroquel AND More dose of benzo AND i wasnt that bad i was only numb not completly empty . 

 

So the doble dose aparently make things worst .seroquel 

I read one theory of anheodnia Is dopamine failure 

 

At the same Time benzo also mess with dopamine? 

 

When i did first taper of lorazepam of 10 % a week i didnt felt bad 

I toguht i kinda succes with that reduction 

Also when i read here alto post about reduction can be made a bit fast i toguht ok 3 weeks then 

AND o didnt felt bad

Also my personal situation Is complicated 

I need to work for live AND make a path 

ANDany familiar problema 

AND 4 intakes of drug Is kinda of exhausting  

 

Just sharing toguhts 

Thanks @Shep @LostInCanada

 

[jeffelmexicano]

Another tought just pump in . 

If i have no reward of anything . Less gonna have in aps right ? Thanks 

[LostInCanada]

That's why it's important to try to have an attitude of acceptance and work at finding things to be appreciative for. I am grateful I have a place to live, food to eat with such variety and flavor, a beautiful big sky to look up at and see blue and clouds in the day and stars at night. And on this site if I can find a kind word to say to someone to help them then it helps me. 👍

[jeffelmexicano]

I understand but i have no reward .

Like If i look at the mountains give me nothing mybbrainn dont say oh its beatiful anyway yea 

[LostInCanada]

I understand that but you have to work at it. It's like a muscle, you have to retrain the brain. I couldn't even smile or laugh but I forced myself to when I would look in the mirror. It takes work.

[jeffelmexicano]

Hello 

 

I Guess according what alto once told me that reduce the lorazepam 

 

I dont think anheodnia Is a side of lorazepam cuz when i was on higher doses i was less anhedonic . Always in theory i dont have knowledge 

Bad anheodnia came with accidentla doble dose of seroquel 

 

Maybe i can reduce my lorazepam intake . No tapering of . just reduce ? 

 

AND then hold AND taper seroquel 

 

After that maybe gonna be More dificult to sleep 

 

But ANHEDONIA Is killer . I need to improve this a bit 

 

So maybe 

 

Current dose 1,25 MG 1,25 MG 1,20 MG 

 

Reduce plan 

 

Week 1 ... 1,20 MG 1,20 MG ,1,20 MG 

Week 2 ....1,20 MG 1,20 MG 1,10 MG 

Week 3 ....1,20 MG 1,10 MG 1,10 MG 

Week 4 .....1,10 MG 1,10 MG 1,10 MG 

Week 5 .... 1.10 MG 1,10 MG 1 MG 

Week 6 ..... 1,10 MG 1 MG    1 MG 

Week 7 .... 1 MG   1 MG ...1 MG 

This Is lorazepam 

 

This way also im not expending money on pharmacy cuts 

 

Im on 123 MG seroquel 

Or maybe just grab one drug until the end . 

....

Or gran last dose 1,20 MG at 8 PM AND taper that off ? 

 

Well just thinking 

Thanks 

 

@Shep @LostInCanada 

[LostInCanada]

@jeffelmexicano I know it is expensive to use the pharmacy so that would help reduce costs. Frogie gave that weekly schedule and it seemed to work before. I think because you are on 3.7 mg it should be okay. Just be alert to any negative symptoms and slow it down if need be. I know Benzo Buddies suggests 10-14 days.