jeffelmexicano: hello I'm new

[jeffelmexicano]

55 minutes ago, Shep said:

 

The fact that you're able to recover quickly is a great sign of resiliency, Jeffelmexicano. You're doing great. 

 

 

Have you already added in magnesium? If so, how does it make you feel?

 

If you're adding in a supplement, I would not taper any of the drugs for at least two weeks to give your body time to adjust to the supplement. 

Hey shep thanks for answering .AND give good vibes . I tried one day . Is like im scared to add anything AND to taper ... im too sensitive still 

[jeffelmexicano]

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Hello all great guys 

When i was tapering seroquel (123 MG currently ) i felt my symptom was anhedonia AND maybe not good sleep at mornign AND bad stomach . But i could tolerate sugar coffee AND somen other medicines 

I was unstable and stupidly decide to low a bit dose of lorazepam from 3,70 MG to 3,65 mg in 3 x per day BIG MISTAKE i should have wait 

That mistake was stupid AND change everything 

Currently symtpms are 

I think my  symtpms go worst AND not better one month of holding 

I think sometimes holding Is not helping 
Symtpms agravate AND were More severe 

Maybe everyday life style stress  

Wich drug Is worst ? I think for me das lorazepam that bring all intolerance AND pshysycal symptoms 

Should hold must improve something ? 
Or i just keep tapering ? 

Maybe try taper seroquel to 100 MG ? To not expend in cutting pills pharmacy ? 

My CNS Is not regulared 

Keep waiting ? 

Im still able to work but nothing else 
Current symptoms 
AHNEDIONIA -a bit better . Maybe cuz im low dose of seroquel ? 
SD - some days were better now worst again 
.low dose of seroquel ? 
INTOLERANCE TO FOOD - didnt have this 
INTOLERANCE TO PSHYSICAL EFFORT -i didnt have this 
WEAKNESS - didnt have this 
SLEEPING WORST - didnt have this 
BRAIN FOG - not severe but didnt have this  
WORST MEMORY -didnt have this  
TINITUS - not severe but i didnt have this 
Not a piiii just like a buzz 
CRAVE FOR SUGAR - 
EVERYDAY IS HARDER TO DO TASKS 
APATHY - went much worst 
INFLAMATION- didnt have this i can hear my heart beat all over my head 
CONFUSION 

Symtpms are worst in the morning 
So hard to live like this ofc this Is my worst moment since i started posting  
Should i add magnesium ? 

Im in some other fórum where i can talk to people AND notice Benzos really ruin people .im really miserable now 
Im not hurring the answers or what to do . I can keep holding .
Im not sure If thing Will improve to keep tapering or wich drug i should taper first  

Just toughts for thinking in a future plan 
Thanks for reading 

[Shep]

@jeffelmexicano Unfortunately, the sugar cravings are common with psych drugs. For me, the antipsychotics were worse for this than benzos, but everyone is different. The antipsychotics are notorious for causing people to gain weight, so the Seroquel may be the worse drug for you, too. 

 

Do you live alone or with family? If you live alone, you may want to only buy healthy food that doesn't contain sugar so that's all you have to eat at home. You could pack a healthy lunch to take to work and bring some healthy snacks. If you live with family, you may want to discuss this with them and see if they can help you stay away from unhealthy foods.

 

If you can avoid foods that trigger you for a few weeks, you may be able to have a better baseline for when you resume your taper. The cravings can be hard, but after a few weeks of a restricted diet, it becomes habit and the cravings aren't as bad. You can do this, Jeffel. 

[jeffelmexicano]

Thanks for answering 

I live in a big house with my parents but they are old like 80 

 

So Is like live alone also they dont understand this wd thing . Imaginé for them pills are everything 

 

I eat pretty healthy . 

Maybe my tea ? Is bold tea .wich dont have caffeine i  think 

 

Maybe some toasts at the morning 

 

Im extreme sensitive to all . Even a SIP of something with sugar or cocke destroy me 

 

Idk what can be . 

 

I Will try this Is a long weekend here 

To avoid but idk what Is happening 

The only moment i eat "unhealthy ' Is at morning were i eat toasts with diet jelly 

 

I think eating too late even If healthy Is making me sleep bad 

 

I need to find  a way to improve this situation maybe the magnesium ?  Im not doing even phisical effort 

I was doing like 15 minutes of bicycle but i stoped that 

Im thinking in going to the mountains 

For 3 days water fasting 

AND nature 

Idk 

Im too miserable right now AND also im not looking for tapering .

Down lose of lorazepam not even 3 % bring me to this state so i Guess i cant taper also i wanted to do micro taper wich o think Is More safe but my scale Is not trustable enoguh 😒

 

Thanks for read all you guys 

[LostInCanada]

@jeffelmexicano diet jelly would have artificial sweeteners which is worse than sugar. Aspartame and sorbitol are not good and can cause issues. What is the sweetener that is used? You should not eat 2 hours before bed as well. Fasting was already discussed but it is your choice.

[jeffelmexicano]

1 hour ago, LostInCanada said:

@jeffelmexicano diet jelly would have artificial sweeteners which is worse than sugar. Aspartame and sorbitol are not good and can cause issues. What is the sweetener that is used? You should not eat 2 hours before bed as well. Fasting was already discussed but it is your choice.

I just eat AND i have stomach pain ... i eat mosttly fruits 

[LostInCanada]

8 hours ago, jeffelmexicano said:

i eat toasts with diet jelly

Diet foods have artificial sweeteners 

[Shep]

@jeffelmexicano What LostinCanada wrote is spot on. The diet jelly most likely does have some artificial sweeteners. Since you're reacting to food, please read all the ingredients in everything you eat. 

 

You can make a lot of things from scratch without adding in sugar. Dates and fresh fruit are sweet and can be used in place of sugar in recipes. I'm on the Paleo diet which excludes sugar, so I make almost all of my foods from scratch so I know what's in it. 

 

Try doing this for a couple of weeks and see if it helps the food sensitivities and brings you to a better baseline. 

[jeffelmexicano]

Can i erase the post ? 

I dont want to sound negative 

For others im sorry 

[Shep]

18 hours ago, jeffelmexicano said:

Can i erase the post ? 

 

@jeffelmexicano I've hidden that last post. Because you are feeling suicidal, I'm linking you to this resource:

 

For those who are feeling desperate or suicidal

 

I'm not seeing resources listed for Mexico, though, in that link, but there are articles linked that may be helpful to read.

 

This is from Psychology Today for suicidal prevention resources in Mexico:

 

Mexico Suicide Prevention Resources

 

Also, you may find some resources in the Mad in Mexico site: 

 

Mad in Mexico

 

You may also find what's called a "warm line" in your area where you can call for support. It may be worth doing a google search and see what is available in your area. 

 

You may also want to have a family member or close friend take ownership of anything lethal that you could use to harm yourself while you're feeling desperate to make sure you stay safe. 

 

Please also spend some time here in the success stories. 

 

Success stories: Recovery from psychiatric drug withdrawal

 

Many people go through waves of intense emotional distress but then it passes. Try distracting yourself as best as you can with video games, favorite TV or internet shows, music, etc. Even if you feel like you can't process or feel these things, it can help the time pass as your nervous system bounces back from this wave. These waves are temporary, jeffelmexicano. These feelings do pass. 

 

Also, remember to eat healthy and drink plenty of water so you're not suffering from low blood sugar or dehydration, which make these feelings worse. 

[jeffelmexicano]

4 hours ago, Shep said:

 

@jeffelmexicano I've hidden that last post. Because you are feeling suicidal, I'm linking you to this resource:

 

For those who are feeling desperate or suicidal

 

I'm not seeing resources listed for Mexico, though, in that link, but there are articles linked that may be helpful to read.

 

This is from Psychology Today for suicidal prevention resources in Mexico:

 

Mexico Suicide Prevention Resources

 

Also, you may find some resources in the Mad in Mexico site: 

 

Mad in Mexico

 

You may also find what's called a "warm line" in your area where you can call for support. It may be worth doing a google search and see what is available in your area. 

 

You may also want to have a family member or close friend take ownership of anything lethal that you could use to harm yourself while you're feeling desperate to make sure you stay safe. 

 

Please also spend some time here in the success stories. 

 

Success stories: Recovery from psychiatric drug withdrawal

 

Many people go through waves of intense emotional distress but then it passes. Try distracting yourself as best as you can with video games, favorite TV or internet shows, music, etc. Even if you feel like you can't process or feel these things, it can help the time pass as your nervous system bounces back from this wave. These waves are temporary, jeffelmexicano. These feelings do pass. 

 

Also, remember to eat healthy and drink plenty of water so you're not suffering from low blood sugar or dehydration, which make these feelings worse.

Ok shep thanks for answering 

Yes im in a antisuicide group i found in my city ...apriciete . Im very healthy AND drink water all day . Just maybe stress work idk what Is triggering .my stomach Is better 

No sugar . Im planning quit bread also . So thanks for aswering 

[Shep]

Glad you're in a support group, @jeffelmexicano Hopefully the improvements in diet will help, too. 

[jeffelmexicano]

Hello people 

i spend 4 days in woods 
I think im in general better 
Sleep is better AND digestión Is better 

Like you @Shep said betterr food helped 

Also @LostInCanada
I did a lot of gardener AND cold water 

Big Wich drug i should taper first ? Seroquel or lorazepam?  

Both drugs are horrible 

Toughts :
Im clóser to taper off seroquel 
Benzo tapering gonna take years .AND Some  people die in the journey 

I have no idea wich drug Is causing More issues 

Like guts issues ,More PSHYSICAL AND sleep problems i Guess come from lorazepam AND the anhedonia may come from seroquel but i cant tell exactly .anhedonia can come from  lorazepam too 

Some poeple say seroquel gonna help me sleep while tapering lorazepam ,at the same time thats mean keep on seroquel for years 
I think Is key to a recovery to sleep at least 7 hours 
It Is an option to reduce seroquel to a dose still make me sleep AND stay there AND taper off lorazepam? 

Ashton manual say the longer stay on benzo Is worst 

Like i want at least one drug out of my system to have some hope 

No idea what to do . I Guess what you tell me i trust blindly in your experience 

Maybe put out of my system seroquel ? Or go to 25 MG or 50 MG seroquel AND hold for long Time ? This worked on the pass. Or just taper down lorazepam given my symptoms are better ? 

I heard  Is More risk to have tarvide dyskinesia for long term use of antipsychotics ....
So More chances to develope that in seroquel ? ...
Wich im very afraid ! 

I have a voice in my head that tell me If im put of drugs i Will be much better . Even in a not rapid but not slow taper . 
My body recovery Is good 
I just need to be off drugs 

Accodirng your experience what should i do thanks 
People keep tellling me aps are worst .

I want to stop messing with dopamine 

Sorry for Many questions
I have no hurry just toguhts AND a bit of stress not lnowing what to do  

Thanks for reading .

[LostInCanada]

Hey, I can sure @Shep will know which one is better to taper now. I still think lorazepam but I am no expert. All these drugs take forever to come off. Do you know the jump off dose for lorazepam or Seroquel? 

[Shep]

@jeffelmexicano I agree with LostInCanada on this - I would taper the lorazepam. 

 

You're low enough on the Seroquel that it's mainly targeting histamine at this point, so there's far less danger with side effects with that drug. 

 

And the amount of lorazepam you're taking during the day is still quite high. You may want to reduce 10% of the daily lorazepam and see how you feel. 

[jeffelmexicano]

Ok @Shepi Will reduce lorazepam 

 

One question ? Can i lower seroquel from 123 mg in 2 months to 100 MG so i dont have to pay for the pharmacy cut ? 

Or that messed up the other thing ? Just that im not saying im not reducing lorazepam ibwill taper lorazepam . Just a money thing but If not theres no problem just asking 

AND the reduction of lorazepam Is 10 % of 3,65 mg wich Is the total or 10 % of each dose wich Is 1,20 MG 8 am 

1,25 MG 2 PM 

1,25 MG 8 PM 

 

 

[Shep]

22 hours ago, jeffelmexicano said:

Can i lower seroquel from 123 mg in 2 months to 100 MG so i dont have to pay for the pharmacy cut ? 

 

You could do that. Or you could updose to 125 mg, since Seroquel comes in 25 mg tablets. Updosing to 125 from 123 would be a 1.6% increase. 

 

22 hours ago, jeffelmexicano said:

AND the reduction of lorazepam Is 10 % of 3,65 mg wich Is the total or 10 % of each dose wich Is 1,20 MG 8 am 

1,25 MG 2 PM 

1,25 MG 8 PM 

 

I'm not sure I understand this. 

 

10% off of 3.65 mg is a .365 mg reduction, which will lower your daily total to 3.285 mg. 

 

What you have written is 1.20 mg + 1.25 mg + 1.25 mg, which equals 3.7 mg. 

 

How much lorazepam are you currently taking? 

[LostInCanada]

@jeffelmexicano maybe Shep can confirm but I would work on lowering the 2 pm dose. My understanding is the half life of the drug is 12 hours so to me the afternoon dose is like doubling up on the drug. 

Also before frogie had you just taking off 10% of just the afternoon dose. That is why you could do it weekly. So if you take off 0.365 mg it will not be weekly.

Since lorazepam comes in 2.5 mg, 1 mg, and 0.5 mg, you could drop the afternoon dose to 1 mg and then you wouldn't have to pay the pharmacy to cut that one. Also can you get liquid lorazepam from the pharmacy?

[jeffelmexicano]

15 hours ago, Shep said:

 

You could do that. Or you could updose to 125 mg, since Seroquel comes in 25 mg tablets. Updosing to 125 from 123 would be a 1.6% increase. 

 

 

I'm not sure I understand this. 

 

10% off of 3.65 mg is a .365 mg reduction, which will lower your daily total to 3.285 mg. 

 

What you have written is 1.20 mg + 1.25 mg + 1.25 mg, which equals 3.7 mg. 

 

How much lorazepam are you currently taking? 

Oh im so sorry 

I wrote bad my mistake 

 

With all wd AND all 

 

I take 

1,20 MG . 1,25 MG . 1,20 MG 

Total 3,65 mg 

 

I mean Is the 10 % of the total 3,65 mg or 10 % of each dose 

 

Sorry shep brain work so so 

@Shep

[LostInCanada]

10% of each dose is the same as 10% of all doses combined. So if you took 10% off the 8 am that would be 0.12 mg less, 10% off the 2pm would be 0.125 mg less and 10% off the 8 pm would be 0.12 mg less. So total is 0.365 mg less. I was wondering if it would be better just to take it all off the 2 pm dose but wait for Shep to answer please.

[LostInCanada]

I am not sure if it is better to just reduce 2 pm dose which is a big reduction. Or do all 3 at once by smaller reductions. So it could be 8am 1.2 mg, 2pm 0.89mg, 8 pm 1.2 mg. Or 8am 1.1 mg, 2pm 1.1 mg, 8 pm 1.1 mg. If that makes sense. But we will wait for Shep.

[Shep]

8 hours ago, jeffelmexicano said:

I take 

1,20 MG . 1,25 MG . 1,20 MG 

Total 3,65 mg 

 

@jeffelmexicano, what @LostInCanada wrote about reducing that middle dose may be the best way to go at this point. It will even out your doses, since that's the largest dose. Because you're still struggling, you may want to reduce less than 10%. You could completely even out the doses by reducing that middle dose from 1.25 mg to 1.20 mg. 

 

That will bring your total daily dose to 3.6 mg, which is a 1.4% reduction. 

 

If you do well with that, you could start tapering all three doses evenly. Because it's such a small decrease, you may not need to wait a month before your next decrease, but let's see how you do.

 

I think in the long run, it will be easier to have all of the doses the same. It will be less confusing going forward and easier to make your doses. 

[jeffelmexicano]

1 hour ago, Shep said:

 

@jeffelmexicano, what @LostInCanada wrote about reducing that middle dose may be the best way to go at this point. It will even out your doses, since that's the largest dose. Because you're still struggling, you may want to reduce less than 10%. You could completely even out the doses by reducing that middle dose from 1.25 mg to 1.20 mg. 

 

That will bring your total daily dose to 3.6 mg, which is a 1.4% reduction. 

 

If you do well with that, you could start tapering all three doses evenly. Because it's such a small decrease, you may not need to wait a month before your next decrease, but let's see how you do.

 

I think in the long run, it will be easier to have all of the doses the same. It will be less confusing going forward and easier to make your doses. 

Thanks shep 

I think is bad that i cant do my own cuts . I have a scale (similar gemini ) 

But Is not always correct (accurate ) 

I wanted to do micro taper i think Is better for the boddy to handle  

But cant with this scale 

 

So gonna try to make my system even More strong AND better baseline 

AND i will start 

@Shep

[jeffelmexicano]

Hello guys 

I tried to be More stable AND make my system stronger but i react bad to food maybe now Is banana that aparently have tons of sugar or bread wich i eat very little 

 

My tinitus go away AND now Is back but not so bad my sleep Is better idk If wait to be More stable or to start tapering 

Im getting desperate putting benxos everyday in my boddy i should taper of when i didnt felt wd symtpms 

Ok thanks for reading 

 

[jeffelmexicano]

16 hours ago, jeffelmexicano said:

Hello guys 

I tried to be More stable AND make my system stronger but i react bad to food maybe now Is banana that aparently have tons of sugar or bread wich i eat very little 

 

My tinitus go away AND now Is back but not so bad my sleep Is better idk If wait to be More stable or to start tapering 

Im getting desperate putting benxos everyday in my boddy i should taper of when i didnt felt wd symtpms 

Ok thanks for reading 

 

Maybe i hit tolerance ? I cant eat almost nothing ..  should i start tapering or wait ? I didnt Made any mistake this Time 

.. @Shep

[jeffelmexicano]

Hello @Shepmaybe try water microtaper ? How can i do with lorazepam thanks 

[LotusRising]

Have you already looked into getting it compounded at a pharmacy?

 

This is our topic for making a liquid solution:

 

 

 

[jeffelmexicano]

Hello so in november 5 i reduce 0.05 on my lorazepam dose 

From 3,65 to 3,60 MG 

Now Is 

1,20 MG 8am 1,20 2 PM 1,20 PM 

 

I think Is pretty ok maybe i bit of restless legs or akathisia ? 

I think this Is worst at night after my seroquel dose 10 PM 

 

Im so scared to get bad akathisia that can happen in benzo wd 

Idk If have something to do with seroquel 

 

Im planning to taper 0.05 each week 

Thanks 

 AND i hve to say sugar Is not completly eliminated from diet 

Any toughts ? @Shep @LostInCanada

[LotusRising]

Hi @jeffelmexicano

 

This sounds like a reasonable reduction to me. Were you going to work in a hold at the end of the 4th week? Are you planning to keep your doses even? This seemed to work the best for me. 

 

Try not to stress about completely removing sugar from your diet, but definitely good to cut down on it, along with refined, processed foods.

[jeffelmexicano]

2 hours ago, LotusRising said:

Hi @jeffelmexicano

 

This sounds like a reasonable reduction to me. Were you going to work in a hold at the end of the 4th week? Are you planning to keep your doses even? This seemed to work the best for me. 

 

Try not to stress about completely removing sugar from your diet, but definitely good to cut down on it, along with refined, processed foods.

Yes try to keep dosis even i guess . Thanks for answer . No didnt plan to hold in the end of the four week ? Should i ? I not gonna end the taper ever ...

What If i try to taper 0.10 per week ? Is not damaging me further been too long on Benzos 

Thanks again 

[LostInCanada]

@jeffelmexicano holding for a couple weeks after a few reductions is always good just to let you body catch up with the changes. 

[jeffelmexicano]

Ok so im on ativan around 3 MG now 

 

Seroquel in 123 MG 

 

Its hard to taper Benzos .you have to do it slowly 

 

My thing Is arround 250 MG of seroquel i took by mistake doble dose one night 

 

Woke up totally numb emotions 

 

Arround 150 i did doble dose again 

Totally idiot i know i was vomiting AND took my dose again afraid of wd 

 

After that second doble dose went from numb to Zero 

Before i have numb emotions AND sex now after second doble dose Is totally empty 

Used to have some humor some of my personality 

 

Now all Is gone 

 

I read AND read AND people with severe anheodnia aparently dont heal 

 

My doble dosis Made a effect like aps injections 

 

Just too much for dopamine AND kill cells 

 

I cant find on here many sucxes stories about aps 

 

This doble intake of seroquel leave me totally anhedonia 

 

Is the effect like invega injections AND stuff 

 

 

Idk what i want to ask 

 

I Guess people just stay in this state 

When i was in higher doses i was better before the overdose 

Humor etc 

 

I need to know from mods expert on this how many people return AND how many people stay totally numb you must know reading all these people 

 

Currently tapering ativan ADN stuck on 123 MG of serohell 

[jeffelmexicano]

Hello @Shep im tapering ativan as you said .

 

I was tapering .05 per week that dont do even a 5% a month . So it less than recomendations 

 

 

Then tried to taper one week .10 AND my symtpms got much worst 

 

I need to hold on or this Is my new baseline ADN continúe tapering 

 

This 2 weeks from the last taper 

 

Thanks 

 

 

[Catina7]

Hi @jeffelmexicano, I just wanted to let you know that Shep has retired from the site.  You may want to tag another moderator to assist you.  I hope you get an answer to your question soon.  Best wishes to you.  ❤️

[jeffelmexicano]

18 minutes ago, Catina7 said:

Hi @jeffelmexicano, I just wanted to let you know that Shep has retired from the site.  You may want to tag another moderator to assist you.  I hope you get an answer to your question soon.  Best wishes to you.  ❤️

Oh ok thanks 

[jeffelmexicano]

@LotusRising @LostInCanada