Thorin: withdrawal from Latuda

[Thorin]

11 minutes ago, j1290 said:

I hear that!  This is when I fall back on the I'm chemically irritable description.   Everything bothers me and I want to overreact because I feel cranky.   Luckily I can usually keep it locked up but sometimes things will sneak out I would have normally kept inside.   Will this go away after I get off the meds or be really difficult to control?  I have no idea.   I'm starting to think there very well may be a long emotional adjustment period.  

I agree, I think it will take a lot to adjust to this. I wish I knew whether it was going to get easier. The success stories mostly say yes, but there’s not heaps of them…..

[j1290]

8 minutes ago, Thorin said:

The success stories mostly say yes, but there’s not heaps of them…..

There's 20 million or more people on ADs in the US.   Do you have any thoughts on why we have so few active discussions on this website?   Paxilprogress had more by my recollection.  Maybe there really are very few people who have issues discontinuing?  Is there some other website that more people use for withdrawing from ADs or something?   Maybe there just aren't many people who took these as long as I did, I can't even guess.  

[Thorin]

18 minutes ago, j1290 said:

There's 20 million or more people on ADs in the US.   Do you have any thoughts on why we have so few active discussions on this website?   Paxilprogress had more by my recollection.  Maybe there really are very few people who have issues discontinuing?  Is there some other website that more people use for withdrawing from ADs or something?   Maybe there just aren't many people who took these as long as I did, I can't even guess.  

I think many people taper and suffer through but maybe don’t have ‘extreme’ withdrawals. I think many stay on their meds forever, or change to another med. I think very few, once they’re on the med machine actually taper off and just stop taking medication. Once you’re on, you’re on I think. Not always the case but very frequently I believe. Also many people don’t know about this site. I see people crying out for help On reddit and they’ve never heard of this site. Other people say they came here but had a negative experience so didn’t stay.

[Thorin]

Sunday

6-7 hours sleep. Tinnitus on wake-up. Early cortisol.

0830 0.125mg clonazepam

0900 magnesium

1030 breathwork

1100 tinnitus loud again today.

1130 health smoothie

1300 0.125mg clonazepam. Tinnitus very loud

1330 0.2ml CBD:THC oil

1900 tinnitus at an all time high

2000 14mg Lurasidone pizza for dinner

2230 0.125mg clonazepam

 

Monday

Woke up very early. Had to go out for work

0800 magnesium avocado. Tinnitus loud today.

0830 0.125mg clonazepam

0930 Some very mild dizziness. No problem. Mostly feeling physically ok. I did get a sense of pressure above and forward of my ears like someone is pressing either side of my head. I only notice this when up and moving about.

1200 pizza for lunch

1300 0.125mg clonazepam. Loud tinnitus

1430 health smoothie

1600 cashews

1730 0.2 ml CBD:THC oil.

1930 getting some anxiety. It’s been a big day. Anxiety feels related to trauma.

2000 bolognese on baked potato 14mg Lurasidone

2230 0.125mg clonazepam

[Shep]

5 hours ago, Thorin said:

1130 health smoothie

 

Please let us know the ingredients of your health smoothie. Just want to do a check-in on any supplements or other ingredients that are in it to see if it may cause problems, especially in the long term.

 

Are you drinking smoothies because of a lack of appetite? 

[Thorin]

7 hours ago, Shep said:

 

Please let us know the ingredients of your health smoothie. Just want to do a check-in on any supplements or other ingredients that are in it to see if it may cause problems, especially in the long term.

 

Are you drinking smoothies because of a lack of appetite? 

Hi Shep, I have an appetite at the moment but it’s not massive. The smoothie is just a good way to get nutrients. It has: berries, banana, spinach, egg, milk kefir and chia seeds. Nothing processed

[Shep]

17 hours ago, Thorin said:

Hi Shep, I have an appetite at the moment but it’s not massive. The smoothie is just a good way to get nutrients. It has: berries, banana, spinach, egg, milk kefir and chia seeds. Nothing processed

 

Thanks for listing the ingredients, Thorin. That does sound healthy and aptly titled - "health smoothie." 

[Sadie1]

Hey Thorin,

Do you get the brand name Latuda compounded, or the generic version compounded? 
 

[Thorin]

55 minutes ago, Sadie1 said:

Hey Thorin,

Do you get the brand name Latuda compounded, or the generic version compounded? 
 

Hi Sadie. I think it’s the generic. You should stick with the one you’re currently taking I think as switching brands can trigger withdrawal.

[Thorin]

Tuesday

4.5 hours sleep. Woke up to stress, anxiety, heart thumping. Been lying here in dread

0730 magnesium and avocado

0830 0.125mg clonazepam. Out for work again

1200 health smoothie

1300 0.125mg clonazepam. Loud tinnitus today. More noticeable on the quiet at home.

1700 had some stomach cramps. May not be related to withdrawal. Had a period where I was talking to a colleague and forgot about the tinnitus. Been driving me crazy since I got home.

1930 14mg Lurasidone, fish oil. Curry for dinner

 

Wed

4.5 hours sleep

0630 breathwork. Loud tinnitus

0645 2xavocado and magnesium

0830 0.125mg clonazepam 

1000 2 x slice pizza

1300 0.125 mg clonazepam. Tinnitus loud all day. Some pressure in head, mild dizziness. Seems to be there all the time but I only notice it when I’m out and about. Felt pretty bad and was on strong emotional pain the first half of the day. Was able to express some emotion early afternoon and felt a bit more together later after that.

1930 14mg clonazepam, jambalaya for dinner

2230 0.125mg clonazepam. Magnesium

 

Thursday

4-4.5 hours sleep again. Exhausted.

Tinnitus present but not severe on wakeup. Irritated sinuses.

0800 breathwork

0830 0.125mg clonazepam. Feel a little bit dizzy this morning . Few handfuls of nuts and black tea.

0900 therapy. Intense as always.

1100 tired from insomnia. Going to risk trying a coffee

1130 moderate difficulty focusing and concentrating as usual.

1300 0.125mg clonazepam and health smoothie

1730 banh mi

1800 0.3ml CBD:THC oil. Increased tinnitus. Feel I am starting to get used to the tinnitus.

1930 14mg Lurasidone. Curry. Fish oil

2100 0.9 ml CBD:THC oil to see if it helps with sleep

2230 0.125mg clonazepam, magnesium, fish oil.

[Thorin]

So overall symptoms at the moment. Slightly down mood, definitely not feeling happy but not severe mood either. Loud tinnitus. I’m holding faith that this will be like the other symptoms I’ve experienced and pass eventually. Not great appetite. Insomnia. 4-5 hours sleep a night at the moment. This has passed before and I’m assuming will again. If I continue to be ‘stable’ into next year I will be able to attempt to start my Lurasidone taper again. I calculated that if I dropped by 10% a month (I’ll be reducing slower than that) I’d be finished with the Lurasidone taper in early 2025. Would then just have to compete the clonazepam taper. That’s a really long time. But if taking that long means that the taper minimally impacts my life then it’ll be worth it.

[j1290]

6 hours ago, Thorin said:

Insomnia. 4-5 hours sleep a night at the moment.

Hope it gets better soon, brother!   Under 5 hours and I can be hard to handle, better I lock myself away in my office.  

 

Have you tried the 10% taper before?  Did it put the reduction in the background and make it easier?   Sounds awesome.  

[Thorin]

17 minutes ago, j1290 said:

Hope it gets better soon, brother!   Under 5 hours and I can be hard to handle, better I lock myself away in my office.  

 

Have you tried the 10% taper before?  Did it put the reduction in the background and make it easier?   Sounds awesome.  

I seem to be handling the insomnia reasonably well this time round. Did not handle it at all last time.

 

I’ve always tapered >10% except when I dropped from 20mg-18mg but that was an accident. I know better now. The next drop will be 0.5mg (3.57%) which will be t here smallest drop I’ve done. Hoping I barely notice it.

[Thorin]

Symps

 

Saturday mod

5.5 hours sleep. Tinnitus present.

0830 0.125mg clonazepam.

1230 macadamia nuts

1300 0.125mg clonazepam. Overall symptoms today. Loud tinnitus and associated sensation in head. Slightly flat mood. I guess that’s pretty good compared to how I have been.

1330 dumplings for lunch

1800 a bit of dread, stress and anxiety today (low level). I’m definitely putting myself out there more today though. Getting out and risking doing things that I enjoy for the first time in quite a while. Also have some personal stuff going on which is stressing me out.

1930 14mg Lurasidone, fish oil. Fish for dinner

2030 tinnitus very loud on right ear

2230 0.125 mg clonazepam 

2313 felt like blood sugar was crashing hard. Got very weak and dizzy. Eating lots of macadamia nuts

[Thorin]

It’s amazing that just doing a couple of things in a day, nowhere near what I used to do will leave me exhausted the next day. The last week must be finally catching up with me. Going to go home and rest in the bed!

[j1290]

Just now, Thorin said:

Going to go home and rest in the bed!

haha man I'm wrecked as well...bailed on my friend tonight...thoughts on what it is?  WD?  That's the only guess I have at this moment, maybe also due to other meds but I hope something chemical is going on

[Thorin]

9 minutes ago, j1290 said:

haha man I'm wrecked as well...bailed on my friend tonight...thoughts on what it is?  WD?  That's the only guess I have at this moment, maybe also due to other meds but I hope something chemical is going on

I don’t know man. I’m assuming WD. I’ve been having pretty bad insomnia but also been out more for work so more active. Went out and did things yesterday the couldn’t sleep until 0130 and today I’ve just crashed. Maybe we push it a little hard when we’re feeling functional and our body has to remind us to go slow…… be interesting to see how long it takes us to pick up again.

[Thorin]

11 minutes ago, j1290 said:

bailed on my friend tonight...thoughts on what it is?  WD? 

Good on you for listening to your body though. I had a friend call up Friday to see if I wanted to catch up for dinner and I had to say no. Just didn’t have the energy. Feel very fatigued….. wonder if this is what Chronic Fatigue feels like.

[j1290]

1 minute ago, Thorin said:

Feel very fatigued….. wonder if this is what Chronic Fatigue feels like.

 

Precisely this.   I've been still having vivid dreams and waking up early and whatnot, then extreme fatigue in the afternoon.   You know what?  I'm going to chalk it up to chems in one way or another.  I used to have the same symptom back when I was on the max of Effexor.  I'd get extreme fatigue and nothing could stop me from taking a nap.  

9 minutes ago, Thorin said:

be interesting to see how long it takes us to pick up again.

This.  I've no idea if it's a long term thing or something that will resolve in a few weeks if I hold.   When I talked to that Psych Dr that writes the articles on tapering, he told me to hold for an extra month every 6 months to let everything rebuild a little longer and avoid a crash.  I wonder if this is a symptom?  I better take it as a red flag until I know more and not ignore it.  I have another 10 days of holding, so I will have a little more evidence.  I just didn't expect this LOL!

[Thorin]

2 minutes ago, j1290 said:

When I talked to that Psych Dr that writes the articles on tapering, he told me to hold for an extra month every 6 months to let everything rebuild a little longer and avoid a crash.  I wonder if this is a symptom?

This sounds like great advice

 

2 minutes ago, j1290 said:

I wonder if this is a symptom?  I better take it as a red flag until I know more and not ignore it.

Yep I am going to listen very closely to what my body tells me it needs. Pushing through never helped anyone on the long term. I’ve had fatigue like this in the past (since reducing meds). It’s passed before but it took me looking after myself to get it to pass.

[j1290]

1 minute ago, Thorin said:

Pushing through never helped anyone on the long term. I’ve had fatigue like this in the past (since reducing meds). It’s passed before but it took me looking after myself to get it to pass.

Good to know.  At the end of the day, I'm just along for the ride on this, willpower isn't going to fix anything when it comes to how fast my CNS rebuilds.   Tough to accept that for me, though.  You know, one day we're going to be able to work and function without this monkey on our back.   Will be interesting to see what that is like.  

 

I'm looking at your taper history, to my eyes it looks like something an MD would recommend.  My working theory is that the people around this website are more tenacious and committed to WD than the average person.  My therapist said he works with people who give up really quickly after an MD takes them off too fast.  Maybe someone around here has an easy time of this, but I haven't seen a lot.   

 

How you doing otherwise, man?   You having vivid dreams?  How's the fam?  Sounds like you're maintaining friendships if you're getting asked to dinner, that's pretty great!  I've neglected mine since I started this stuff, which is never a good thing.  

[Thorin]

35 minutes ago, j1290 said:

this, willpower isn't going to fix anything when it comes to how fast my CNS rebuilds.   Tough to accept that for me, though. 

Hard for me to accept too. I’ve always been someone that had to take action if something was bothering me and could push through almost anything. Am not able to ‘just push through’ anymore. Maybe that’s a good thing. I’m more aware of my body’s needs than I used to be.

 

37 minutes ago, j1290 said:

You know, one day we're going to be able to work and function without this monkey on our back.   Will be interesting to see what that is like.  

I’m seeing more and more posts about this (I’ve branched out from this site a bit). People are healing and thriving. They thought they would be in hell forever but end up healing completely. Their stories are wonderful to read. Google Baylissa. Was just looking in her website. She goes through all the symptoms and talks about them. Was pretty good.

 

39 minutes ago, j1290 said:

I'm looking at your taper history, to my eyes it looks like something an MD would recommend.

Exactly. Now I’m going by what my body tells me rather than what the Dr tells me. The Dr is a wonderful man but has no idea about withdrawal 

 

40 minutes ago, j1290 said:

My therapist said he works with people who give up really quickly after an MD takes them off too fast.

I can understand that. I had to reinstate three times, then tapered too fast again (on different orders from the doc). Then stop and hold because I’d tapered too quickly. I will be following the guidelines of this group when I start again but being completely guided by my body

 

42 minutes ago, j1290 said:

Maybe someone around here has an easy time of this, but I haven't seen a lot.

My work colleague just told me he came off sertraline over a 1 week period after taking it for a few years. Not a problem. What a **** 😂. Joke, very nice guy and I’m glad it was easy for him. Wish it was easy for us.

 

43 minutes ago, j1290 said:

How you doing otherwise, man?   You having vivid dreams?  How's the fam?  Sounds like you're maintaining friendships if you're getting asked to dinner, that's pretty great!  I've neglected mine since I started this stuff, which is never a good thing.  

Family’s pretty good but I do feel pretty guilty about being a downer a lot of the time instead of the fun person I used to be. I just keep telling myself I’ll be fun again one day and trying to not just think/talk about what I’m going through all the time. Hard not too when it takes up most off my thoughts though. Meds stopped me dreaming completely. I now remember little bits of dreams here and there but not like I used to (used to have very vivid dreams). I hope to get my dreams back one day. But I used to have recurring nightmares about my trauma every night when I was younger. Definitely do not want that back again.

 

I see you live in San Diego? I’ve been to the states a few times but never there. Is it dessert country (dry/hot). What’s life like there? Do you ever go over to Mexico? I went to Juarez once not knowing what border towns are all about. That place was an eye opener…..

[Thorin]

@j1290 https://mccare.org is worth a look

[j1290]

32 minutes ago, Thorin said:

They thought they would be in hell forever but end up healing completely.

That's awesome!  I'll check out both the sites you mention.  

 

33 minutes ago, Thorin said:

The Dr is a wonderful man but has no idea about withdrawal 

Grudging acceptance and some degree of working with me on this I consider a win.  I accept it as is.  

 

37 minutes ago, Thorin said:

Wish it was easy for us.

 

LOL yeah I hear you, I'm jealous as hell when people talk about just throwing away the pills and they're fine in 2 weeks.  The less I dwell on it the better.  

 

40 minutes ago, Thorin said:

do feel pretty guilty about being a downer a lot of the time instead of the fun person I used to be

I hear that!  I used to have jokes.  I barely even remember that guy, just on a few up days.  

 

41 minutes ago, Thorin said:

Hard not too when it takes up most off my thoughts though.

I try not to be neurotic about it, but I'm taking this stuff 3 times a day with symptoms that rise and fall like the tides all day, so it's just constantly up front and center.   I hope you're able to get a slow taper to work so it goes to the background.   

 

43 minutes ago, Thorin said:

But I used to have recurring nightmares about my trauma every night when I was younger. Definitely do not want that back again.

I used to wake up screaming almost every night when I was younger.   Little did I know the ADs are partly to blame for the vividness, but still.  

 

45 minutes ago, Thorin said:

I went to Juarez once not knowing what border towns are all about. That place was an eye opener…..

LOL!!!  I haven't been there in a minute, but I remember the first time I went to Juarez as a kid and had no idea what to expect.  Still fun though.  Yeah SD is debatably a desert.  It's a fun place to visit if you have a reason to be here, but I wouldn't consider it a destination city, really.  There are livestreams of the shipping lanes and you can see all sorts of Navy ships and whatnot floating around, which is pretty cool.   I run livestreams in my office all day on an extra TV.  Its made my work life 10,000% better LOL

[Thorin]

Sunday

5 hours sleep. Woke feeling weak, nauseous and fatigued. Tinnitus

0830 0.125mg clonazepam 

0930 magnesium, avocado

1115 coffee

1215 mood low today.

1230 health smoothie 

1245 really not feeling any pleasure today. It will pass I’m sure. Beautiful day outside. If I wasn’t in withdrawal I’d probably be out with friends having some cheeky cocktails and laughing in the sun. I hope I can do that again one day.

1345 wow incredibly fatigued and tired today. Feel like everything’s caught up with me.

1400 two sushi rolls

1500 few chocolates. Decided to lie on the couch instead of staying in the bedroom all day

1550 painful headache

1700 headache persisting

1730 between headache and tinnitus I have to lie down

2030 slept through dinner and med time. Woke up and felt like blood sugar was low 

. Craved sugar as soon as I woke. Ate chocolates and cookies

2100 bao for dinner. 14mg Lurasidone. Fish oil. Iron tablet. 0.3ml CBD:THC oil

2230 0.125mg clonazepam 

[Shep]

4 hours ago, Thorin said:

1500 few chocolates. Decided to lie on the couch instead of staying in the bedroom all day

1550 painful headache

1700 headache persisting

1730 between headache and tinnitus I have to lie down

2030 slept through dinner and med time. Woke up and felt like blood sugar was low 

. Craved sugar as soon as I woke. Ate chocolates and cookies

 

Many of us become unable to handle sugary foods during withdrawal. You mentioned a few weeks ago that improving your diet was helpful. 

 

Instead of giving into the sugar cravings, try having something with protein in it. That can help stop cravings. Many of us find that low carb diets can be very helpful during withdrawal. 

 

Just some food for thought, so to speak. 

 

[j1290]

Hey man!  I wish I had answers for you, just wanted to say you're not alone.  This could more or less be one of my days, peaks and valleys all day, and some days weigh more to one side than the other. I remain firmly convinced that its worth it, and with each day that light at the end of the tunnel gets a little bigger.  Stay strong, brother!

[Thorin]

Thanks @Shep and @j1290

 

i had made that very decision while I was lying in bed last night Shep. Back to only healthy food. My nap yesterday lasted 2.5 hours so I’m assuming what I experienced was exhaustion/tiredness.

 

thanks

[Thorin]

8 hours ago, j1290 said:

Hey man!  I wish I had answers for you, just wanted to say you're not alone.  This could more or less be one of my days, peaks and valleys all day, and some days weigh more to one side than the other. I remain firmly convinced that its worth it, and with each day that light at the end of the tunnel gets a little bigger.  Stay strong, brother!

Thanks mate. Just wears me down with the inconsistency of everything. The way the symptoms keep morphing and changing with new symptoms turning up just when I think I’m improving. It’s wearing me down. I’m sure I’ll be fine when this latest set of symptoms eases up.

[Thorin]

Hi @Shep not sure if this is appropriate but just seeking a little reassurance right now. I’ve been holding for a few months now. Admittedly my taper was way too fast prior to holding and symptoms got pretty out of hand for a while. What is bothering me is that rather than getting better despite holding, my symptoms just seem to morph and change, but I always have some symptom (usually multiple). While the symptoms are changing they’re not necessarily easing up at all. Am I right in thinking of what I’m experiencing as being similar to having CT? Albeit not as bad and will hopefully resolve faster as I’m still on the meds? Just in the last few days almost all my symptoms have become ‘head’ symptoms in addition to insomnia and low mood. Just feeling a little lost. Not seeking to have you make me feel better so much as making sure this is normal after a too fast taper and that my brain will eventually catch up to the changes it’s experienced and then I’ll be able to start the taper at the correct pace. Thanks for your time.

[j1290]

1 hour ago, Thorin said:

Just wears me down with the inconsistency of everything. The way the symptoms keep morphing and changing with new symptoms turning up just when I think I’m improving. It’s wearing me down.

Boy do I hear that!   That year I spent trying to figure out what I was doing...had similarities.  I stayed at the same level I'd been on for years, just in the IR instead of XL, and it seemed like every day was different than the last, and it never got better, only worse, actually.   None of that contributed to me making good decisions, which turned out to be pivotal because the experts I consulted pointed in every direction but at the pills I was taking as an explanation for the symptoms.   I don't have a clue if this applies to you but the best decision I made (out of desperation)was to return to the last stable dose and time release that I knew of, and it wasn't fun but it got me functional enough to make lots of decisions about my treatment.   

 

That's a long winded way of saying this **** was terrifying, quite frankly, when nothing seemed to behave in a predictable way.   My daily WD checklists have helped a lot in that regard to see patterns, as well as my decision to normalize my symptoms.   Once I adjusted my expectation from feeling normal or functional to expecting to feel heavy side effects from these pills, it took away a lot of the emotional energy.   Only reducing the pills has made me actually feel better, but normalizing the situation reduced the frustration and anxiety.  

 

I'm not sure if any of that is a help, but maybe reading it took your mind off of things for a few minutes, anyway!   Hang in there man, you really will find your way through this.   

[Thorin]

18 minutes ago, j1290 said:

to return to the last stable dose and time release that I knew of, and it wasn't fun but it got me functional enough to make lots of decisions about my treatment.   

This is essentially what I’ve done. Was there a turning point where you started to feel a bit better/consistent?

 

19 minutes ago, j1290 said:

That's a long winded way of saying this **** was terrifying, quite frankly, when nothing seemed to behave in a predictable way. 

Oh yeah I can relate

 

19 minutes ago, j1290 said:

I'm not sure if any of that is a help, but maybe reading it took your mind off of things for a few minutes, anyway!   Hang in there man, you really will find your way through this. 

Thanks mate. Every response helps and makes me feel a little better

[j1290]

5 minutes ago, Thorin said:

Was there a turning point where you started to feel a bit better/consistent?

Hey man!  When I switched back to the XL version, my flu like symptoms literally started to get better the first day(I think the generic I was taking wasn't working right), and I readjusted to the XL within a few weeks or so.   I still felt lousy, maybe it pooped out, maybe it was because when I switched back to XL it no longer worked the same any more on me, who knows.  After a couple months of trying to get that to work better with namebrand drugs, etc I decided it wasn't getting better so the only way out was to reduce.  4 months later here I am, in much better shape than I've been in since I started this all last June, but still with peaks and valleys all day long, really.   If I back away from the day to day and look at the macro picture, the trend is to the good.   

 

Also, did you know we pay $1/kiwi here in the US?   Outrageous!   Also certain stores import their beef from New Zealand, of all things.  I've no idea how that is cheaper to source than domestic, but there it is.   

[Thorin]

3 minutes ago, j1290 said:

After a couple months of trying to get that to work better with namebrand drugs, etc I decided it wasn't getting better so the only way out was to reduce

I may get to the same place where I’ll just start tapering again and hope it doesn’t get worse.

 

4 minutes ago, j1290 said:

Also, did you know we pay $1/kiwi here in the US? 

Do you mean $US1 =$NZ1? I had no idea. I knew NZ was expensive but I haven’t been there yet to see for myself.

NZ is pretty famous for its beef and lamb. Many kiwis buy land in the state where I live as it’s cheaper here and good quality beef and dairy raising land.

[j1290]

7 minutes ago, Thorin said:

I may get to the same place where I’ll just start tapering again and hope it doesn’t get worse.

Honestly, I had to make a lot of decisions and test out theories, most of which turned out to be wrong.  Learning the rules of this game was the hardest part.   Really it wasn't until this 4th month of tapers that I'm reasonably satisfied that it's working and my symptoms, my WD Normal, is better than when I started.   

 

10 minutes ago, Thorin said:

Do you mean $US1 =$NZ1?

I should have been more specific.  A kiwifruit costs $1 here, on sale.  I didn't know that about raising cattle.   

[Thorin]

2 hours ago, j1290 said:

Really it wasn't until this 4th month of tapers that I'm reasonably satisfied that it's working and my symptoms, my WD Normal, is better than when I started.   

That’s good. Sounds like I may have to follow your example and just make the leap into a taper. Will see how I’m doing mid January and if i’m the same as now or better I think I’ll just do it. At least I’ll feel better knowing I’m reducing the amount of crap I’m putting in my system. I may feel some improvement on a lower dose if I’m not tapering too fast.

 

2 hours ago, j1290 said:

should have been more specific.  A kiwifruit costs $1 here, on sale.  I didn't know that about raising cattle. 

Oh right a kiwifruit haha. Didn’t realise what you meant. Yeah they can get pretty damn expensive here too. Do they grow in the states at all? Interesting that the US import beef. I thought you guys produced plenty. I did find that the food tasted fantastic in the states. Was more expensive to eat healthy than I liked though. The fruit and veg seemed to be pretty tasty compared to our supermarket fruit and veg here. Struggled with the bacon though. Was WAY too sweet. Did find a good one in the end so it was ok 😂. So many foods were so much sweeter than we’re used to here in Oz.