modelarz71: Escitalopram PAWS request for advice

[modelarz71]

The stomach ailments I have during WD indicate Irritable Bowel Syndrome. Now when I read that IBS is treated with SSRIs it's very sad...
 

[modelarz71]

Heavy sweating, some stomach soreness, waking up in the night although less anxiety. Anxiety is mainly caused by the above symptoms. I don't know if I should give up this 0.4mg esci as long as I only take 10 days. I am still at the stage of deluding myself that it may pass or the symptoms will weaken
 

[modelarz71]

My stomach ailments started in mid-June. But it was just a feeling of "overflowing" in the stomach, nothing nagging. Then the belching started and then the soreness came around July 24th. This coincided with another reinstatement of 0.5mg. but i think it's a coincidence

[modelarz71]

Sorry, my sleep is intermittent, but it is, I wake up, I fall asleep, I have strange dreams.
today i took 0.41mg of esci, maybe i should go for 0.5mg or 1mg and keep it up i have no idea but i don't think it would be a good idea to stop. Maybe 0.5 mg is better than nothing, maybe it works like a vaccine...
 

[modelarz71]

Sorry, I have a question if anyone thinks that such a small dose as 0.42mg of esci does anything at all.
And if organic bowel disease has already developed within a month,  will the restoration help?
 

[Happy2Heal]

56 minutes ago, modelarz71 said:

Sorry, I have a question if anyone thinks that such a small dose as 0.42mg of esci does anything at all.
And if organic bowel disease has already developed within a month,  will the restoration help?

 

 

Yes a small dose, even as small as 0.01 can cause symptoms

 

what do you think that your dose of 0.42 is "doing"?

 

 

I don't know what you mean by organic bowel disease

 

everything single thing that you have mentioned, all of your symptoms and complaints are all VERY common symptoms of withdrawal

 

everyone here has had at least some if not all of those same symptoms (and others as well)
 

you are recovering from withdrawal

 

it will be a slow and frustrating process but you are actually recovering faster than many others have, so please be encouraged!!

I know it is hard to feel this way but you are GOING to heal and all of the things you are dealing with now, the sweating, insomnia, stomach issues, etc will resolve in time

 

you just need to be patient and give it time

 

while you are waiting, what are you doing to distract  yourself?

 

what sorts of self help and self care things have you tried?

 

you mentioned eating lots of sweets before, are you still doing this? eating a lot of refined carbohydrates are not good for anyone's mood or health.

you might want to try fruit instead? or a nice salad! or both, there are some great salads made with fruits and greens etc.

 

You are going to be ok

 

if you are feeling lonely, maybe come and chat with some others on their threads and see what ideas they have for dealing with the symptoms that we all have learned to cope with

 

I'm sorry you've got stomach trouble right now. but it is going to improve.  I had nausea, diarrhea and dry heaves early during one phase of my withdrawal and recovery.

 

it went away. then some new odd symptom took it's place

that is how recovery from these drugs goes, it is kind of random and changes all the time

 

you will feel better and better as time goes on

 

you really will, but you have to relax and find things to distract yourself

 

what do you like to do for fun?

 

 

[modelarz71]

Thank you very much for your answer and kind words. Before WD, I had a lot of hobbies. Now nothing, every new sympom make me panic.
I admire your story.
 

[modelarz71]

I've never had stomach problems now the dr recommends a gastroscopy for IBS. I used to have a lot of hobbies but I don't use them anymore.
Maybe this reinstall doesn't help me, I'm panicking because of these symptoms.
 

[modelarz71]

Overall I regret this reinstall.  
Altostrada was right not to do it. 
But now that I've done it, I read that some people raise the dose to, say, 3 mg and others don't restore it at all.
If I have already developed IBS, then raising it to, for example, 1 mg will not cure it anymore, because it has already developed an organic IBS disease.
 

[Doctorsrcrap]

When did you reinstate 

[modelarz71]

10 dni temu

[Doctorsrcrap]

Is that 10 days tomorrow? 

[modelarz71]

Exactly its fiften days, but its a small amount

[Doctorsrcrap]

It can take a while for a reinstatement to work but if you feel worse since reinstating I think you are within the time frame to stop it. But if you do you need to be committed to th3 decision 

[modelarz71]

Thank you very much for your help. I'm not a tough guy and I panic a bit, which is why the family is broken. Mom is crying. My sister wants me to see a psychiatrist but this psychiatrist says to take at least 3 mg. I don't go to work anymore.
I'm having reflux issues, and it's probably going to be more permanent. Its a new thing to me. How is your stomach?
 

[Doctorsrcrap]

I've got loads of issues going on and no doctor is willing to help me. Living my best life 

[modelarz71]

My sister took me to a psychiatrist today. Of course he said you have to take at least 5mg and milligram doses are homeopathic doses.
I was sad that he didn't connect my new digestive problems with WD, only that it is an age-related and common disease.
I'm going to have to see a naturopath about this stomach or they've already prescribed me a PPI. I don't believe even a high dose of Esci would fix my stomach now
 

[modelarz71]

 I do not know why it happened that my rapid deterioration of well-being occurred only 3 months after the last pill. I understand that the trigger was covid stress, but only a trigger. It would be easier if the deterioration was right after the end of AD

[modelarz71]

I'm wondering if I shouldn't raise it to 1 mg of esci so that this stomach will improve. When I'm full I don't feel pain -  very strange.
But will it help?

If it wasn't for this belly, I would be able to function, because before AD I also had fears, but the evenings were ok.

Those were beautiful times, - half a year ago

[modelarz71]

W dniu 7.08.2023 o 21:48 Happy2Heal powiedział:

 

Sorry, I'm sleeping better for now, but I have sweating and some gastroparesis (?) will increasing the dose (doctor says 5mg esci) help with these symptoms? Regards
 

Tak, mała wielkość, nawet tak mała jak 0,01, może zaobserwować objawy

 

co myślisz , że twoja wysokość 0.42 "robi"?

 

 

Nie wiem, co rozumiesz przez organiczne jelita

 

wszystko, o czym zauważeś, wszystkie objawy i objawy są BARDZO częstymi objawami odstawienia

 

wszyscy tutaj mieli niektóre, jeśli nie wszystkie z tych przyczyn (i inne również)
 

dochodzisz do siebie po odstawieniu

 

będzie powolny i frustrujący proces, ale w rzeczywistości wracasz do zdrowia szybciej niż wielu innych, więc proszę, bądź zachęcony!!

Wiem, że trudno jest się tak leczyć, ale masz zamiar wyzdrowieć i wszystkie rzeczy, z tym masz teraz do czynienia, pocenie się, bezsenność, problemy żołądkowe itp., Ustąpią z czasem

 

Musisz tylko uzbroić się w poświęcić i dać jej czas

 

kiedy czekasz, co robisz, żeby się przydać?

 

jakie rodzaje samopomocy i samoopieki używałeś?

 

wspominałeś wcześniej o jedzeniu dużej ilości słodyczy, czy nadal to nadal? Wytworzenie odpowiedniej ilości rafinowanych składników nie jest dobre dla ani zdrowia.

może zamiast tego zastosować owoce? lub pyszną sałatkę! lub jedno i drugie, jest kilka sałatek z owocami i zielenią itp.

 

w porządku

 

Jeśli czujesz się samotny, może przyjdź i zobacz

 

Przykro mi, że masz teraz problemy z żołądkiem. ale ma się uzupełnić. Pierwotny, biegunkę i takie fale występujące podczas fazy mojego odstawienia i powrotu do zdrowia.

 

do odeszło. wtedy jakiś nowy nieparzysty symptom znajdujący się w miejscu

tak wygląda wyzdrowienie z tych leków, to jest trochę dziwne i zmienia się przez cały czas

 

z biegiem czasu coraz lepiej

 

Naprawdę cię, ale poproś o znalezienie rzeczy, które od ciebie zwrócę uwagę

 

co lubisz robić dla zabawy?

 

 

 

[Happy2Heal]

Jak się masz?

 

 

Nie mówię po polsku, używam tłumacza

[modelarz71]

40 minutes ago, Happy2Heal said:

 

 

Sorry, I'm using a translator now.
I have noticed that I feel more anxious in the evenings, and this is distressing to those close to me.
Maybe I should take 1mg esci in the morning. But I don't know how I would sleep then. I still wake up 3 times a night, but fall asleep later. I filled my stomach today with a kebab in the city because I went to work for a bit and it doesn't hurt, just a feeling of overflow.

 

I read your stories that you used 0.3 mg esci.

Sometimes I think to take 5mg but there may be  activation,
 

[modelarz71]

All these bad symptoms have limited my functionality, I still regret entering ESC, I still live in the past and compare with what I have. 
And I took esci only  for 6 months on average 5 mg
 

[modelarz71]

My first WD since April there were no stomach symptoms, just different.
Then for 3 weeks I took an average of 4mg esci (reinstall) and stopped.
From then on, I felt a strange overflow in the stomach, which after a month turned into symptoms of gastroparesis (?)
I regret it because if I didn't stop this reinstall my stomach would be ok.
 

[Happy2Heal]

Hi

I am sorry you are still feeling unwell, but this will get better.

 

 

please do not take more of this drug, it's very unlikely that you will feel any better.

 

you may just instead delay how long it takes for you to get better.

 

Sadly it can take many months for the symptoms of withdrawal to get better.

It takes a lot of patience to get thru this but you can do it.

 

in the meantime, please try to concentrate on what things are getting better.

 

it is good you have been able to work  for a bit!!

 

please try not to compare to where you were before. You WILL get back to feeling good and all of this will just feel like a bad nightmare.

 

it does get better gradually and then you may feel better than you did before you ever took this drug.

I know I do!

 

I hope this is the case for you.

 

[littlebird]

On 8/17/2023 at 12:38 PM, modelarz71 said:

Then for 3 weeks I took an average of 4mg esci (reinstall) and stopped.
From then on, I felt a strange overflow in the stomach, which after a month turned into symptoms of gastroparesis (?)
I regret it because if I didn't stop this reinstall my stomach would be ok.

Hey friend, does it come with a lot of pain? Kinda sounds like when Gabapentin was affecting my pancreas. There could be a link with the medicine and your pancreas, when I lowered my dose I started feeling a LOT better. 

[modelarz71]

35 minutes ago, littlebird said:

Hej przyjacielu, czy to wiąże się z dużym bólem? Trochę brzmi jak kiedy Gabapentyna dotykała moją trzustkę. Mogło być połączenie z lekiem i twoją trzustką , kiedy obniżyłem moją dawkę zacząłem czuć się DUŻO lepiej. 

Thanks for the information on silymarin. Valuable tip for me. The pain is not very severe, rather moderate.
The only thing that surprises me is that it is smaller when the stomach is fuller.

[littlebird]

42 minutes ago, modelarz71 said:

The only thing that surprises me is that it is smaller when the stomach is fuller.

Hm.... maybe stomach acid? I found that taking digestive enzyme supplements helped too. Hope you feel better soon!

[modelarz71]

Bowels still slowed down, I'll buy a milk thistle supplement for the pancreas, maybe some placebo will help. It's annoying to wake up and sweat heavily during the day when I'm nervous or have some physical exertion. Yes, sleeping, digestion, and sweating are the three main things AD has ruined for me. Too much for me. Maybe if I increased to 1mg it would cure it or 5mg.
The worst thing is that it's all physiological addiction and not depression. Only 5 mg would activate me probably as before. Maybe I'll drop it altogether.
 

[modelarz71]

Before AD, I really enjoyed some working  with weights, even though I'm not a teenager. Now when I try I'm all wet, but still I try to exercise for some minutes to feel that I have something from life after all. But I dont how long it will last. It woluld be so beutiful to be heathy again, I was stupid to belive doctor when asked before starting AD how it will be if I stop - replied: it will be as it was.  

[modelarz71]

Please advise if someone can help: I read that when someone restores in a low dose, then it can increase. So I would try 1mg because  0.5mg is not enough. I am worried about the intestines, I read that by limiting the receptors in the intestines, digestion slows down. I'm afraid it will stick...
 

[modelarz71]

Of course, I don't exercise anymore, anyway, these were just small weights.

Unfortunately, I don't do hobbies anymore, I don't build planes or paint. Now I see how cool life was before WD, even simple things like food. Now even the digestion is difficult, I have to try 2.5 mg as I finished in May, maybe the digestion will improve.
 

[modelarz71]

On 7.08.2023 at 21:48, Happy2Heal said:

 

 

Tak, mała dawka, nawet tak mała jak 0,01, może powodować objawy

 

jak myślisz, co „robi” twoja dawka 0,42?

 

 

Nie wiem, co masz na myśli, mówiąc o organicznej chorobie jelit

 

wszystko, o czym wspomniałeś, wszystkie twoje objawy i skargi są BARDZO częstymi objawami odstawienia

 

wszyscy tutaj mieli przynajmniej niektóre, jeśli nie wszystkie, te same objawy (i inne również)
 

wracasz do zdrowia po odstawieniu

 

będzie to powolny i frustrujący proces, ale w rzeczywistości wracasz do zdrowia szybciej niż wielu innych, więc proszę, zachęcaj!

Wiem, że to trudne czuć się w ten sposób, ale NAJLEPIEJ wyzdrowiejesz i wszystkie rzeczy, z którymi się teraz borykasz, pocenie się, bezsenność, problemy żołądkowe itp., z czasem znikną

 

musisz tylko uzbroić się w cierpliwość i dać sobie czas

 

kiedy czekasz, co robisz, żeby się odwrócić?

 

jakich rodzajów samopomocy i samoopieki próbowałeś?

 

wspominałaś już wcześniej o jedzeniu dużej ilości słodyczy, czy nadal to robisz? jedzenie dużej ilości rafinowanych węglowodanów nie jest dobre dla nastroju ani zdrowia.

może zamiast tego spróbujesz owoców? lub dobrą sałatkę! lub jedno i drugie, jest kilka świetnych sałatek z owoców i warzyw itp.

 

Wszystko będzie w porządku

 

jeśli czujesz się samotny, może przyjdź i porozmawiaj z innymi osobami w ich wątkach i zobacz, jakie mają pomysły na radzenie sobie z objawami, z którymi wszyscy nauczyliśmy się sobie radzić

 

Przykro mi, że masz teraz problemy z żołądkiem. ale to się poprawi. Na początku jednej fazy odstawienia i powrotu do zdrowia miałem nudności, biegunkę i suche wymioty.

 

to odeszło. potem pojawił się nowy, dziwny objaw

tak właśnie przebiega powrót do zdrowia po tych lekach, jest to trochę losowe i cały czas się zmienia

 

z biegiem czasu poczujesz się coraz lepiej

 

naprawdę to zrobisz, ale musisz się zrelaksować i znaleźć rzeczy, które odwrócą twoją uwagę

 

co lubisz robić dla zabawy?

 

 

Could you please tell me what you think I should take 1mg or more of escilatopram.

Intestinal overflow worries me a lot. I'm sorry
 

[Happy2Heal]

On 8/26/2023 at 4:13 PM, modelarz71 said:

Could you please tell me what you think I should take 1mg or more of escilatopram.

Intestinal overflow worries me a lot. I'm sorry
 

 

 

I think it has to be your decision

If it were me, I would not go back up

 

I think that your digestive problems will resolve in time.

In my experience, the digestive upsets of withdrawal did not last very long at all

 

just when you think you can't take it any more, it goes away!!

 

have you tried prunes for constipation, if that is the problem you are having?

also just laying on your back and moving your legs as if you were on a bicycle can help get your bowels moving so that you can pass stool easier

 

drinking warm water sometimes helps

[modelarz71]

20 hours ago, Happy2Heal said:

 

 

Myślę, że to musi być twoja decyzja

Gdybym to był ja, nie wracałbym na górę

 

Myślę, że Twoje problemy trawienne z czasem miną.

Z mojego doświadczenia wynika, że problemy trawienne spowodowane odstawieniem nie trwały długo

 

właśnie wtedy, gdy myślisz, że nie możesz już tego znieść, to odchodzi!!

 

czy próbowałeś śliwek na zaparcia, jeśli to jest twój problem?

również samo położenie się na plecach i poruszanie nogami jak na rowerze może pomóc w wypróżnieniu i ułatwieniu oddawania stolca

 

czasami pomaga picie ciepłej wody

Thank you very much for your time. I didn't see the answer in my profile until today. Thank you for the tips, I'm afraid to go higher because I know that Esci broke me and didn't help - maybe it just activated it too much and spoiled my sleep when used last year for six months .

The doctor now considers it bipolar and prescribes quentapin which I am afraid. 
Maybe the actual 0.42mg calmed down my activation. Thanks again for your help.

I'll have to read your profile again and look for clues there
 

[littlebird]

On 8/25/2023 at 1:23 PM, modelarz71 said:

Unfortunately, I don't do hobbies anymore, I don't build planes or paint.

I hope you get back into it! Anything that makes us happy and calm is a win while tapering. Of course, when we don't feel good, doing something enjoyable can seem like climbing a mountain. Hope you feel better soon!