flower switched to liquid celexa

[aza]

Hi Flower,

 

I'm experiencing the tinnitis myself, you sound more cheerful. Sounds wonderful.

 

Hope the new year brings you good luck.

 

See Ya.

[flower]

Felt a little crappy last night so I slept most of it..I had an extra cup of coffee and used Lysol to scrub with no gloves on,I have to stop that. Hey Aza,,do you think the decaf is a good thing?

[Sunita]

Hi Flower, I looked for your introduction thread so I could follow your progress too. Just wanted to send you lots of good wishes and luck. It sounds like you are feeling better recently--am happy to see that. Also, how beautiful that you live in a place where there are foxes and deer. I bet being outside will help you when it gets warmer--for me, nature is very healing.

 

Sunita

[tezza]

Yes, it sounds like a beautiful place, except that spooky tunnel.

[aza]

Felt a little crappy last night so I slept most of it..I had an extra cup of coffee and used Lysol to scrub with no gloves on,I have to stop that. Hey Aza,,do you think the decaf is a good thing?

 

If the coffee doesn't make you feel worse then yes I think it's good.

 

Like anything else you try go slow untill you know how it's going to effect you.

[flower]

Aza , decaf doesn't seem to bother me but I wish I could take fish oil..Sunita,,hang in there, this process is so hard. I still have rough days. I guess I should stay put and be patient. That's easier said. I hate this tinnitus..Geez I hope it doesn't get worse.

[Skyler]

I hate this tinnitus..Geez I hope it doesn't get worse.

Hi Flower.. has your tinnitus gotten better with the hold? I got the kinks out of my taper (sigh.. I'm still finding some, but not so many!), and I've improved with each 'removal'.

 

Hang in there... it really will get better!!!

[flower]

Skyler the tinnitus is the same...I have it mostly when I wake up. I'm having sleep issues but I'm also struggling with taking fish oil. I want it to work for pain..It seems to make me anxious. Maybe I'll try every other day. I really need some peace right now although I'm better than I was. I don't know if I should hold longer or begin again? I have this crazy pressure behind my ears too. Mostly in the morning. Great to hear you are doing better..I like to see improvement.

[Nikki]

Flower there was a time when I could take all the supplements in the Health Food Store and feel fine.

 

After taking AD's (particularly ssri's) that is no longer the case. Fish oil which is so good for us and flaxseed oil which is excellent for breast health bug me. Vivid dreams and yes anxiousness.

 

I purchased supplements in January due to the Flu. I can tolerate Vit C, Probiotics and the Green Vibrance. B's are too stimulating. Taking melatonin is like taking LSD.

 

Magnesium is okay. Magnesium/calcium liquid helped stop anxiety when I was getting off Lexapro.

 

Hugs

[flower]

I think I'm having issues with stopping Diet Soda at the beginning of the month. Aspartame does have it's evils from what I read it can take some time to resolve. Maybe Gia will check it out..She's a good detective.

[strawberry17]

Flower I think I would love to do that bike ride you described, sounds lovley, I've just now cycled in the cold here in the UK and was confronted with a freezing flood I'd forgotten about!

Great you had that makeover and spoiled yourself, definately a confidence boost isn't it?

[Skyler]

Skyler the tinnitus is the same...I have it mostly when I wake up. I'm having sleep issues but I'm also struggling with taking fish oil. I want it to work for pain..It seems to make me anxious. Maybe I'll try every other day. I really need some peace right now although I'm better than I was. I don't know if I should hold longer or begin again? I have this crazy pressure behind my ears too. Mostly in the morning. Great to hear you are doing better..I like to see improvement.

I held for 2 to 3 months before there was limited improvement. Then, a couple of weeks back Alto nailed it when she said the drug solutions were degrading because they were kept too long.. This mistake was causing a cyclical up and down dose every 5 days, so I started making smaller amounts. Finally I'm having some peace.

 

You never know what will break the cycle, but unfortunately, trying to taper when WD is still active is not a pleasant business. My advice is to hold tight and wait for the cacophony to wane. When I pushed, the bells and whistles just got louder and louder anddd LOUDER!

 

I think I'm having issues with stopping Diet Soda at the beginning of the month. Aspartame does have it's evils from what I read it can take some time to resolve. Maybe Gia will check it out..She's a good detective.

Flower, did I read you are having restless legs? Artificial sweeteners like splenda and aspertane will cause these when people are not in WD. They made my RLS worse, so I stopped drinking or using anything with artificial sweeteners.. fyi.. stevia does not have the same effect.

 

Bicycles are good!

 

Skyler

[flower]

Skyler I read about stevia..I will look for it. I really think some of my issues right now are from no diet coke. I almost had one yesterday to see if it helped but I decided to weather this. I really ache..I find the anxiety gets bad at the time I would meet the hubby after work and drink 2 or 3 diet sodas.I've been drinking them for years. I notice my skin is healthier..hopefully my hair will benefit also. I've lost alot of hair during this process. Yes I will wait a while longer. I hope this aching eases. 2 weeks no Coke. I also think I have some interdose WD fom Gabapentin. I take it twice a day. 8:30 and 10pm. I read it should every 12 hours at least. I sleep better if I take it with the Trazadone.

[Skyler]

Skyler I read about stevia..I will look for it. I really think some of my issues right now are from no diet coke. I almost had one yesterday to see if it helped but I decided to weather this. I really ache..I find the anxiety gets bad at the time I would meet the hubby after work and drink 2 or 3 diet sodas.I've been drinking them for years. I notice my skin is healthier..hopefully my hair will benefit also. I've lost alot of hair during this process. Yes I will wait a while longer. I hope this aching eases. 2 weeks no Coke.

Diet coke .. maybe you are missing the caffeine? This would give you WD symptoms. I would have gradually weaned off over 2 or 3 weeks to avoid this possibility. Diet coke also comes without caffeine.. so it would be good to specify if you were drinking this. Of note, caffeine is found in other types of soda, orange, etc. so it's good to check.

[flower]

I believe it's the aspartame causing me issues not so much caffeine.

[Skyler]

I believe it's the aspartame causing me issues not so much caffeine.

Yea, the side effect profile is pretty bad. See.. I just would not have thought this caused WD symptoms, but given the adverse effects.. the stuff is really bad news.

[flower]

I drank 2 diet cokes yesterday and there was definitely a difference in anxiety and pain. I did not ache so bad this morning ..I guess I'll have to make another plan to give up aspartame..I'm sure this stuff messes with sleep. I haven't felt so crappy in a while. I think I will have 1 diet coke a day for a bit..If it's not one thing it's another. I read an article about all the diet soda sent to our troops by the pallet. There is thought be a relation to PTSS..I sure wish the US would pay more attention,,Other counrtries have stopped the use of aspartame because of the links to various disease..Parkinsons and such. Today I don't feel good.

[flower]

Skyler..I emailed Shanti about Stramonium..Is this something worth looking into? Sounds like it would really help WD if there's no issue stopping after a short while. I'll look in the other section to see any info..

[Skyler]

I think I will have 1 diet coke a day for a bit..If it's not one thing it's another.

Sounds like a plan. Just curious, on average how many cabs were you drinking a day before you tried to quit?

 

Skyler..I emailed Shanti about Stramonium..Is this something worth looking into? Sounds like it would really help WD if there's no issue stopping after a short while. I'll look in the other section to see any info..

This is an Alto question, and this said, you need to continue your hold. It must seem like a long time since you updosed to 10 mgs. on Dec. 21st. You may need 3 months or so to feel like your old self. You reported improvements, so are moving in the right direction. Holding has not been easy, and congrats on sticking with this!

[tezza]

Hi Flower,

 

You have lots of will power to have left off the drinks you enjoy so much. That says to me that you are a very strong person and you are going to be even stronger after this WD journey. Feel better soon!

[flower]

I think I will have 1 diet coke a day for a bit..If it's not one thing it's another.

Sounds like a plan. Just curious, on average how many cabs were you drinking a day before you tried to quit?

 

Skyler..I emailed Shanti about Stramonium..Is this something worth looking into? Sounds like it would really help WD if there's no issue stopping after a short while. I'll look in the other section to see any info..

This is an Alto question, and this said, you need to continue your hold. It must seem like a long time since you updosed to 10 mgs. on Dec. 21st. You may need 3 months or so to feel like your old self. You reported improvements, so are moving in the right direction. Holding has not been easy, and congrats on sticking with this!

 

I quit alcohol in Aug and have been drinking 3 sometimes 4 cans a day since but I drank at least one can a day since I can remember.I never gave aspartame a thought until a friendsent me the info on FB..Then I read and couldn't believe it. I've had these bizarre aches that really became intense over this last couple weeks. Almost like a bone ache..

[flower]

Hi Flower,

 

You have lots of will power to have left off the drinks you enjoy so much. That says to me that you are a very strong person and you are going to be even stronger after this WD journey. Feel better soon!

 

You are a treat Tezza..thank you for the kind words.I need a boost.

[Skyler]

I quit alcohol in Aug and have been drinking 3 sometimes 4 cans a day since but I drank at least one can a day since I can remember.I never gave aspartame a thought until a friendsent me the info on FB..Then I read and couldn't believe it. I've had these bizarre aches that really became intense over this last couple weeks. Almost like a bone ache..

Hmmm, seems like you need to get clear of that stuff before you taper further. Do you think you need to visit Google for more info. Or if you are doing well on 1 can a day, leave it there for a couple of weeks, next go to 1/2 can for another 1 or 2 weeks. THEN revisit your Celexa taper. You might even feel ready at that point. Oh yeahhhh!

[flower]

The articles I read about aspartame reported side effects to the point several doctors diagnosed MS...Luckily a smart lady stopped soda and improved quickly..I think I will have 1 a day for a bit like you said...I also threw away all those pills in the drawer..8 different bottles. I still have the klonipin but haven't taken any..Believe me I wanted to. I read the stuff works on dopamine???Who knows?

[Skyler]

I also threw away all those pills in the drawer..8 different bottles. I still have the klonipin but haven't taken any..Believe me I wanted to. I read the stuff works on dopamine???Who knows?

Eeek, I didn't know about those... guess you posted that awhile back.. Glad to hear you are staying away from klonopin. You don't need to complicate your taper further, and yes dopamine and GABA. Like all benzos, klonopin has it's own taper profile.. just as demanding as ADs in many cases.

 

Y'ur doin' good Flower, I'm impressed!!!!

[flower]

Tinnitus is lingering this morning..Is this a relation to Diet Coke? I'm no longer sleepy in the evening. Where did that go? I was enjoying the extra sleep. Still pressure behind my ears.. I will stay at 1 soda a day for a little while. I had a good evening yesterday..I'm having more anxiety in the morning than in the past..8 weeks and holding. I will be googling aspartame today.

[flower]

I've been looking at aspartame poisoning..I had no idea. I've been drinking diet soda for 30 years daily..How much of all this crap could be due to Diet Coke? I know I've had none til yesterday for 2 weeks. The anxiety was increasing ,sleep is not good, the tinnitus won't stop this morning and that has never happened..It always stopped within an hour of waking up. I couldn't believe what I read. I have to deal with this before I taper again. I've has so much joint pain. My feet were really cranky and the diet coke did help that too. I wonder how long this will go on? I have to make another plan. Skyler did you see all that on aspartame poisoning? No more gum either. How many of us women drink this stuff to keep our weight down?

[Nikki]

Flower I too need to get off Splenda.

 

My mother was saying it can cause depression and bad dreams. I have cut down, now I need to eliminate it totally.

 

Hugs

[Meimeiquest]

I had to get off coffee...in the end I reduced by just 1/4 cup per day ... For what it's worth. Best, Meimeiquest

[flower]

Thanks for the info..I had a diet coke yesterday and got really dizzy..The tinntus was different also..More high pitched..The aching in my upper legs woke me up early..Hope this doesn't go on long I was hoping to switch to liquid next week and begin to taper .5 mgs..Do you think 8 weeks is long enough to hold? I hate this head crap in the morning.

[tezza]

Hi Flower,

 

Eight weeks is a good hold but only you can determine if its time for a change, based on how you are doing. After you rate your symptoms, if you are still unsure but think it would be okay, taper very conservatively.

 

You do seem to have improved a lot and I'm happy for you!

[Skyler]

Thanks for the info..I had a diet coke yesterday and got really dizzy..The tinntus was different also..More high pitched..The aching in my upper legs woke me up early..Hope this doesn't go on long I was hoping to switch to liquid next week and begin to taper .5 mgs..Do you think 8 weeks is long enough to hold? I hate this head crap in the morning.

Hi Flower, I Googled aspartame yesterday and found a lot of references to resulting tinnitus. I did link any as they were all anecdotal.. but where there 'is smoke'... Your tinnitus was probably set off by the AD reduction, with the aspartame kicking in as a compounding variable. I think you found NAISDS and aspirin had a bad effect.

 

Unfortunately, aspartame may have prolonged the time you need to hold. This is kind of what happened to me, I too had an independent variable (in my case the med suspension degraded because I kept it too long) that kept tinnitus going for longer than one would have thought given the hold time. I'm at 4.5 months and may need to go 4 weeks longer thanks to my own stubbornness and idiocy (I've castigated myself over this, can you tell?). I wanna get a move on, but dislike tinnitus more.

 

My advice is, as long as the tinnitus is getting weaker, let it continue to fade. The alternative is to taper with the cacophony and this would not be my choice.

[Altostrata]

flower, you've only started to stabilize, this may not be the time to reduce.

 

I agree with Skyler. You're probably harming yourself by drinking any diet soda at all. You should probably cut all kinds of artificial flavorings out of your diet and avoid junk food altogether.

[peggy]

i would like to jump in and agree with the holders! - make sure you really solidify all improvements before starting again - after a really wobbly time i like to hold until i feel like the sun has been shining all day every day for at least a month - preferably two.

[Skyler]

You're probably harming yourself by drinking any diet soda at all.

And your teeth will thank you as well... one of the worst things around for teeth is diet cola... it's corrosive beyond what you would think, and the sweetener makes it all the more toxic to those poor pearly whites.

 

LOL, you crying uncle yet?

[tezza]

Yes, after I was really wobbly, I held for three months and I think it was worth waiting. I don't think ANYONE can go TOO slow.