success ☼ NaturalBorn: Effexor cold turkey 300 mg

[tntd]

I agree with you and Fuerza. I like to go and post on other peoples threads and try to help or encourage or just talk with them because it helps me feel better too. It's really amazing when you connect with people on here who are going through what you are going through, you know that they get it. 

 

On bad days the best I find is like you guys, distract, distract, distract. Otherwise your mind tries to tell you lies about never healing. We will heal though. We know that because of the success stories. Some of them are pretty amazing.

 

Anyway, NB, I just wanted to let you know I'm thinking about you. I hope you were able to get out of bed today. As you know yesterday was bad for me, I never got out of my pj's. My husband has been taking care of me because I can't. It's good we have our families. 

 

Oh yeah, cry all you want. It's good for getting the cortisol reduced in your body so it's actually really good for you.

 

We can do this, we are strong.

 

{{{Hug}}}

[NaturalBorn]

I agree with you and Fuerza. I like to go and post on other peoples threads and try to help or encourage or just talk with them because it helps me feel better too. It's really amazing when you connect with people on here who are going through what you are going through, you know that they get it. 

 

On bad days the best I find is like you guys, distract, distract, distract. Otherwise your mind tries to tell you lies about never healing. We will heal though. We know that because of the success stories. Some of them are pretty amazing.

 

Anyway, NB, I just wanted to let you know I'm thinking about you. I hope you were able to get out of bed today. As you know yesterday was bad for me, I never got out of my pj's. My husband has been taking care of me because I can't. It's good we have our families. 

 

Oh yeah, cry all you want. It's good for getting the cortisol reduced in your body so it's actually really good for you.

 

We can do this, we are strong.

 

{{{Hug}}}

thanks a lot tntd, yes today i basically forced myself to go out, get a haircut, and not lay in bed all day, instead i've been trying to distract myself a little with some netflix. i'm really thinking about you as well, i even pictured you and your dog in my head. today i was reminding myself of these 2 channels on youtube about people trying to taper off benzos, both about klonopin, they were posting long videos talking about their expiriences, and that was awesome to me... this one was a 26 years old girl who was trying to taper off after being on it for 8 years, unfortunally they both deleted all of them videos while i was on rehab, so i can't relly on that anymore. but anyway, i can see how i'm little bit more stabilazed now, i'm sleeping alright, eating alright, the rest is still going on, but i think it's worth to try getting of seroquel for now, and i can say that after this i'm done with antipsychotics for good.

dammit i wish that i could just sleep normal, even having all this going on, because when i get like 24 hours with no sleep at all, that's when i know i'm at a really bad wave... i'm gonna try my best to stay away from sleeping medication, i definatively don't wanna get hooked on another pill. i'm hoping that i can sleep everynight even without taking something everynight, have no idea how i'm gonna be doing this... supplements don't help me at all. and i don't know how much time can my body handle being sleep deprivated

never heard about someone getting so much trouble sleeping after effexor, i mean this is not even a medication that is suppose to mess with your sleep, but god knows what i have done to my body...i just feel tortured when i'm fighting sleep all night long and can get a second of sleep... anyway, not much going on in here, just the usual haha

wish you the best on your road to recovery, you will get there, someday all of us will. hope you can get out of that bad wave of your soon.

[NaturalBorn]

i used to have these periods of 5 days straight without any sleep and any sort of tiredness after quitting effexor, now that i'm taking trazadone and seroquel it seems under control, but i tried reducing the trazadone from 150 to 50, under my doctor's suggestion, and got without sleep for days again. i already tried all kind of phytotherapyc medicine and that didn't helped, plus i get worried that it can cause new symptoms.

my question to you guys is, after the seroquel and the trazadone taper, i know i'm gonna need something to sleep. i was considering taking ambien, but can i use trazadone or seroquel occasionally AFTER the taper? i know that thiswould mess my taper up, but i don't know... taking ambien everynight is out of question, and spending night awake is out of question as well, because i need to drive to work and basically i don't think it would be safe doing withou sleeping

Edited January 16, 2017 by Skeeter
moved from Sleep topic

[NaturalBorn]

man today was a hard day, cognition decline is sucking the hope out of me. today i lost my cellphone somewhere, wich is really annoying.... also driving to town to take some papers from work, i got lost again.... spent 1 hour trying to find a street that i knew, so i could get back to my house.... this is getting ridiculous. is it normal to feel more symptoms in the post withdrawal, then in the actual accute phase? trying to type things in english is becoming harder and harder, can the seroquel and trazadone be contributing to this?

also one more question, should the cognitive issues show improvement during the taper of seroquel wich i'm starting on friday?

[NaturalBorn]

also how can i do a "micro" taper from seroquel? i'm sure that the doc will just prescribe me 25 mgs and tell me to handle it, my last doctor cutted me from 150 mgs of trazadone to 50, and that was hellish. i see that everybody is reducing kind of like 1 mgs at the time, but how can i do this? i don't think that are liquid seroquel and trazadone... i want to get this done with, i feel like i have not improved anything at all in one year

[NaturalBorn]

should i just cut a piece of the pill with a scissor?

[scallywag]

It might be worth the time to re-read the Tips for tapering off Seroquel (quetiapine) topic.

People either use a scale or make liquid to be accurate and precise with dosing:
Using a digital scale to measure doses
Making a liquid from a tablet or capsules

[NaturalBorn]

It might be worth the time to re-read the Tips for tapering off Seroquel (quetiapine) topic.

 

People either use a scale or make liquid to be accurate and precise with dosing:

Using a digital scale to measure doses

Making a liquid from a tablet or capsules

ok i'll try asking for a liquid form, if there is one avaible. do you think it's worth taking one of them in the morning? (trazadone or seroquel), since i could use some anxiety relief during the day

[scallywag]

It's likely that your medications are NOT available in a liquid formulation that your doctor can prescribe. The link is about making liquid doses yourself from tablets or capsules of medication.

 

We suggest that you keep your dose the same when switching to a liquid. Some people have found it helpful to switch to liquid in steps, taking part of the dose as liquid and part as the tablet/capsule, then gradually increasing what they take as liquid.

 

What are you doing to cope with your anxiety? Which non-drug techniques do you use?

Non-drug techniques to cope with emotional symptoms

[NaturalBorn]

It's likely that your medications are NOT available in a liquid formulation that your doctor can prescribe. The link is about making liquid doses yourself from tablets or capsules of medication.

 

We suggest that you keep your dose the same when switching to a liquid. Some people have found it helpful to switch to liquid in steps, taking part of the dose as liquid and part as the tablet/capsule, then gradually increasing what they take as liquid.

 

What are you doing to cope with your anxiety? Which non-drug techniques do you use?

Non-drug techniques to cope with emotional symptoms

thanks, but how should i make it liquid? about non drug techniques to cope with anxiety, i try some breathing techniques sometimes, but that doesn't seem to help much, i also take a phytotherapic medication that is supposed to calm you down, also physical rehab calms me down a little bit but i have to restart that again

[scallywag]

NaturalBorn, the writing in blue is a link. If you click on it, a new page will open in your browser that has a discussion topic about making a liquid from tablets or capsules of medication.

Click on this link → Making a liquid from a tablet or capsules

[NaturalBorn]

NaturalBorn, the writing in blue is a link. If you click on it, a new page will open in your browser that has a discussion topic about making a liquid from tablets or capsules of medication.

Click on this link → Making a liquid from a tablet or capsules

thanks!

[NaturalBorn]

NaturalBorn, the writing in blue is a link. If you click on it, a new page will open in your browser that has a discussion topic about making a liquid from tablets or capsules of medication.

Click on this link → Making a liquid from a tablet or capsules

but do you think it's worth taking either trazadone or seroquel during the morning? just to help me get through the day? i noticed that after i take my pills, during night, i feel better... might have something to do with cortisol, but i doubt it.

[NaturalBorn]

just bought the digital scale, gonna take 49mgs of seroquel today and see what happends

[NaturalBorn]

ok this digital scale is pretty much useless so i just spend R$60,00 for nothing hahaha, it shows a different weight everytime i put the pill on it, guess i gonna have to gow for the 25 mgs, and use some ambien when things get to hard

[AliG]

NB.  Try reading through this :

 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1596-using-a-digital-scale-to-measure-doses/

 

1) Let the scale stabilize on a hard, flat and level surface.
2) Make sure the sample tray is properly seated inside the circular indent of the scale's metal measuring platform. Take care that the sample tray (as provided) does not touch the body of the scale, grossly throwing off the measurement.
3) Tap the table that the scale is on to help everything settle.
4) Calibrate as described in the manual.
5) Place and remove materials to be weighed consistently and carefully - don't drop them. Even the slightest impact can throw off the measurement.
6) Wait for ten seconds or so for the sample to settle.
7) For minuscule samples, use the ten gram weight in addition to the sample to put the scale in the middle of its operating range. With a little care, one will get closer to the performance of a lab-grade milligram scale than anything else for this price.

 

Hope this helps.

Ali

[NaturalBorn]

NB.  Try reading through this :

 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1596-using-a-digital-scale-to-measure-doses/

 

1) Let the scale stabilize on a hard, flat and level surface.

2) Make sure the sample tray is properly seated inside the circular indent of the scale's metal measuring platform. Take care that the sample tray (as provided) does not touch the body of the scale, grossly throwing off the measurement.

3) Tap the table that the scale is on to help everything settle.

4) Calibrate as described in the manual.

5) Place and remove materials to be weighed consistently and carefully - don't drop them. Even the slightest impact can throw off the measurement.

6) Wait for ten seconds or so for the sample to settle.

7) For minuscule samples, use the ten gram weight in addition to the sample to put the scale in the middle of its operating range. With a little care, one will get closer to the performance of a lab-grade milligram scale than anything else for this price.

 

Hope this helps.

Ali

thanks a lot, i'm gonna try it again tomorrow

[NaturalBorn]

hello people, need some advide or just some chat in here

i decided that i'm gonna wait a little bit more to get off seroquel, because i'm not stabilazed at all, yesterday i went out with some friends no alcohol, no nothing, and i just had the worst pannick attack ever, i was going to the bathroom every 5 minutes and basically not talking to anybody, i had to make up some excuse and leave because i thought that i was gonna pass out, i know that i wasn't but you guys know how pannick attacks can be.

 

i'm getting sick of this man, i was feeling A LOT better when i came out of rehab, but since that i tried going from 150 mgs of trazadone to 50 mgs, i just feel like i'm back at full blown accute withdrawal again all the time, and it has beel a while since i reinstated it.  the only difference i felt after reinstating trazadone is that i can eat and sleep again

 

but i still feel like i'm at a pretty bad wave, what can be causing that? i'm paying attention to what i'm eating, no soda, no coffe, almost no suggar... i'm afraid i have done damage beyond recover with all this. racing thoughts are killing me all day, but i get some relief after the meds around bed time. although i take them and keep myself awake for some hours just to feelsome relief. suicidal thoughts are in my head almost every second of the day, for the first time i'm afraid i'm gonna actually do it. i missed three days of work this week.

 

i'm not really emotional at this point, i can't cry no matter what, but fear, felling os useless, despair and terror are through the roof.

 

i REALLY can't control my thoughts anymore, it's just impossible, i wonder if this has to do with neuro emotions... literally EVERY SECOND of the day i'm thinking about how i failed in life, how my life is never gonna be the same, how i'm not gonna be able to enjoy anything else in my life, how i felt into a trap made from drug companies, is just like living in a nightmare.

[scallywag]

I'm sorry to read that things have become worse for you. It would be nice if everyone saw small improvements from one day to the next. Unfortunately it seems that recovery has many ups and downs, some bigger than others.

 

Often waves appear for no apparent reason. If you can't identify anything as a cause after spending 10 minutes of thinking about it, I hope you can say to yourself that the wave is just another part of recovering and that you will feel better (have a window) before long.

 

Accepting where we are in life while continuing to create what we want and hearing our self-judgements but not letting them run our lives is the work of being an adult. So some of what you write about is normal human struggle and some may be neuro-emotion.  It can help if you see your thoughts as thoughts and not the truth. 

[NaturalBorn]

I'm sorry to read that things have become worse for you. It would be nice if everyone saw small improvements from one day to the next. Unfortunately it seems that recovery has many ups and downs, some bigger than others.

 

Often waves appear for no apparent reason. If you can't identify anything as a cause after spending 10 minutes of thinking about it, I hope you can say to yourself that the wave is just another part of recovering and that you will feel better (have a window) before long.

 

Accepting where we are in life while continuing to create what we want and hearing our self-judgements but not letting them run our lives is the work of being an adult. So some of what you write about is normal human struggle and some may be neuro-emotion.  It can help if you see your thoughts as thoughts and not the truth. 

thanks scallywag. i'm just hoping that i can get  over this without any residual symptoms, i don't know if that's possible, after all i did the ultimate mistake, that was letting them put me on a drug cocktail to handle withdrawal.... i don't know if i will ever be the same again, there is so much few success stories around here, and most of them people say that they still have symptoms after being healed...

[NaturalBorn]

what if my body just got into a wrong homeostasis? that should be permanent right?

[AliG]

NB. It sounds like you are suffering from neuro - emotions which is common in withdrawal. Sometimes, deep breathing helps as you wait for the storms of emotion to pass.

 

This discussion thread might help to calm you a little as you realize that many others have experienced this. It's not easy going through this but it ebbs and flows and doesn't last forever. The intensity of it should lessen given time and stability.

Neuro emotions

[NaturalBorn]

NB. It sounds like you are suffering from neuro - emotions which is common in withdrawal. Sometimes, deep breathing helps as you wait for the storms of emotion to pass.

 

This discussion thread might help to calm you a little as you realize that many others have experienced this. It's not easy going through this but it ebbs and flows and doesn't last forever. The intensity of it should lessen given time and stability.

Neuro emotions

thanks, i will check it, but hey HONESTLY do you think i have done irreparable damage? since my symptoms are not just mental, and they are kicking my ass

 

i really need to know if is there hope to me ever being the same? even if it takes years?

[AliG]

NB.   I do not believe that . I think keeping a positive attitude is very important to healing.   

[NaturalBorn]

NB.   I do not believe that . I think keeping a positive attitude is very important to healing. 

yeah i really got to work on that, just a question i noticed that you were on antidepressants for a long time,and you also went cold turkey on them , did you ever recovered fully? or at least felt significant improvement?

[AliG]

I'm happy to say I'm fully recovered.  

[NaturalBorn]

I'm happy to say I'm fully recovered.   

awesome to know!!!!! this really brings some hope to me, i hope i get there some day

[KarenB]

Have you seen this?  It Gets Better

 

Very encouraging.

[NaturalBorn]

Have you seen this?  It Gets Better

 

Very encouraging.

most of them haha, but thanks anyway

[NaturalBorn]

starting my seroquel taper today

[NaturalBorn]

Ok so the doctor agrred on taking me of the meds, but je wants me to start on lyrica for sleep. Will this screw my healing? Also he said that if lyrica doesn't work i should use ambien, wich he also prescribed me, i'm sure i will end up nedding both, can this mess up my heali g from effexor trazadone and seroquel?

[Shep]

Hi, NaturalBorn.

 

We don't recommend using other drugs to get off your current drugs. We recommend a slow and careful taper to minimize symptoms and picking up Non-drug techniques to cope with emotional symptoms to handle your withdrawal. 

 

Lyrica and ambien both come with a risk of dependency similar to antidepressant and antipsychotic withdrawal. Also, please note that ambien is a z-drug. Z-drugs can cause dependency in as little as two weeks. And the withdrawal can be quite severe. 

 

Please also read this thread: Limbic Kindling -- Hardwiring the brain for hypersensitivity  Limbic kindling causes a destabilized CNS, meaning each new drug, supplement, certain foods, and even life stressors can cause the CNS to become more and more unstable. This is why we don't recommend adding more drugs. As it stands, we don't know of any drug that can "fix" withdrawal.

 

A slow taper, non-drug coping skills, and lots of self care are the remedy.

[NaturalBorn]

Hi, NaturalBorn.

 

We don't recommend using other drugs to get off your current drugs. We recommend a slow and careful taper to minimize symptoms and picking up Non-drug techniques to cope with emotional symptoms to handle your withdrawal.

 

Lyrica and ambien both come with a risk of dependency similar to antidepressant and antipsychotic withdrawal. Also, please note that ambien is a z-drug. Z-drugs can cause dependency in as little as two weeks. And the withdrawal can be quite severe.

 

Please also read this thread: Limbic Kindling -- Hardwiring the brain for hypersensitivity Limbic kindling causes a destabilized CNS, meaning each new drug, supplement, certain foods, and even life stressors can cause the CNS to become more and more unstable. This is why we don't recommend adding more drugs. As it stands, we don't know of any drug that can "fix" withdrawal.

 

A slow taper, non-drug coping skills, and lots of self care are the remedy.

Thanks for the reply shep, i would really rather not use amything, and i will try everything i can to avoid these two drugs.

I'm very aware about the dangers of these pills, at this point idon't consider any pharmaceutical safe at all. i can deal with pretty much anything the withdrawal trows at me, but i can't deal with the insomnia, it just scares me to much to saty awake for days straight, plus then i get worried that these severe lack of sleep can cause more damage, but i will try supplements, meditation and non drug coping skills, but from past expiriences i know that i simply cannot sleep no mather what when a wave hits me, and i mean litterally being awake for several days. This just bring a lot of fear and much more concern about my situation. Do you think it's a good idea to just go on despite the insomnia? And do you think that using just the ambien VERY ocasionally wpuld be a good idea? Like just 2 times a week or something

[sarabb]

Hi Naturalborn

It sounds like youre tapering off too quickly and that why you starting to feel so bad. Did you just go from 150 mg to 50? You need to plan it carefully and you need to stick to that plan no matter what. I have read that you have to taper 10% of every second or fourth week. Its hard to explain it in english but for example if you start with 10% of 200 mg its 180 mg and then 10% from 180 mg. Do you understand me? Not 10% from the original dose but from the next dose. Have you ever read the blog Beyond meds? Its a really good blog with a lot of advice and uplifting pictures and text. She was also in withdrawal for many years. If you go back to the posts a couple of years ago you can find a lot of healing advice.

And never ever ask a regular doctor to take you off some drugs. He dont know anything about it. Its hard to find doctors who actually now what they are talking about, almost impossible.

Im sorry if i am telling you something you already know but maybe i just havent understood something.

Sara

[NaturalBorn]

Hi Naturalborn

It sounds like youre tapering off too quickly and that why you starting to feel so bad. Did you just go from 150 mg to 50? You need to plan it carefully and you need to stick to that plan no matter what. I have read that you have to taper 10% of every second or fourth week. Its hard to explain it in english but for example if you start with 10% of 200 mg its 180 mg and then 10% from 180 mg. Do you understand me? Not 10% from the original dose but from the next dose. Have you ever read the blog Beyond meds? Its a really good blog with a lot of advice and uplifting pictures and text. She was also in withdrawal for many years. If you go back to the posts a couple of years ago you can find a lot of healing advice.

And never ever ask a regular doctor to take you off some drugs. He dont know anything about it. Its hard to find doctors who actually now what they are talking about, almost impossible.

Im sorry if i am telling you something you already know but maybe i just havent understood something.

Sara

thanks sara, yes i'm aware of the 10% reduction, i went from 50 mgs of seroquel to 37,5. that's not quite 10% but it's the best i can do, since i can't find another way to do it, he advised me to stay on 37,5 for 1 week but i will stay longer than that, also i'm not taking the lyrica no way, now i'm going to the drugstore to try getting a pill cutter to be presice in this. yesterday i used a knife to cut it, but this is just not accurate enough. really hope i don't suffer that much to get off seroquel... i know that trazadone is going to be hard from my previous attempt.

have no idea how i'm going to deal with withdrawal from this many drugs, just the effexor withdrawal was already impossible, now i need to get off trazadone and seroquel as well... really scared hope i can survive this

[Alaines]

thanks for this post. it makes me better understand Effexor (because I am thinking about getting on Effexor).