success ☼ NaturalBorn: Effexor cold turkey 300 mg

[NaturalBorn]

A diagnosis cannot be made whilst someone is tapering or experiencing withdrawal symptoms because the drug/s have changed the brain.  From this post Ch4:

 

"Antidepressants can certainly make patients look manic or hypomanic. But the American APA DSM explicitly states that “manic like [or hypomanic –like] episodes that are clearly caused by somatic antidepressant treatment (e.g. medication) should not count toward a diagnosis of bipolar I or bipolar II disorder because these are drug induced states."

yes but i mean after withdrawal is resolved, can bipolar come from nowhere?

[ChessieCat]

You might find this post helpful.

 

madinamerica.com

 

Video:  Simple Truths About Psychiatry - Series of 10 by Dr Peter Breggin

 

My website (link in my signature) has a link to how the DSM is created.

[fuerza]

Hey NB! How are you doing?

[NaturalBorn]

hey, pretty much the same....personal life is getting worse and worse, but physically i'm at the same spot pretty much

[fuerza]

Very sorry to hear. Have you tried counselling? It's helpful to have someone to talk to about your struggles. I find it a bit more soothing to talk to my therapist because she doesn't pass any judgement and just supports me.

[NaturalBorn]

yes i tried, but once they start to not believe in me saying that "oh the effexor withdrawal only lasts for 3 days, you have neuropathic pain because you are emotionaly hurt" i just can't take them seriously

[NaturalBorn]

hello people, due to a lot of circunstances i'm gonna have to do a fast taper from trazadone, (dont ask me why), but i'll just have to do it, doctor suggested lithium but i'm not gonna take it no matter what, i already switched from 50 mgs of trazadone XR to 50 IR and that is causing a lot of pain... i'm trying to take klonopin just 1 time per week, and i hope i don't have any problems with that.

guess what keeping things at a low stress level really does help! A LOT

i noticed this because everytime i force myself to do something or leave my house my symptoms get worse

i'm praying hard for myself and trying to believe in god the best as i can.

i'm thankfull for the emotional anesthesia (and i know i have this BIG TIME) or i would just loose my mind

anyway i'm planning on getting of trazadone by the end of this year and never touching a pill again

[tntd]

Hi NB,

 

I hope things go well for you. Keep us informed on how your fast taper goes. 

 

Just know I'm thinking of you,

 

Hugs

[NaturalBorn]

Hi NB,

 

I hope things go well for you. Keep us informed on how your fast taper goes. 

 

Just know I'm thinking of you,

 

Hugs

thanks a lot tntd

i'm thinking about you as well, and yes i will keep you guys informed

s2

[NaturalBorn]

God please help everyone on this site.  Help us achieve our goals and find peace, contentment and health.  Please keep us free from anxiety - depression and physical pain.

 

And thank you for leading me to this site where I have made many meaningful connections with friends.

[NaturalBorn]

hey guys i need some help it's an emergency, basically my doctor told my mom that i need to go on lithium and get off trazadone, so she took my last 25 mgs of trazadone that i was tapering, and now is trying to push me to take lithium, that was today, i now that the withdrawals are gonna get alot worst from abruplty taking the trazadone off even tho i was only on 25 mgs, she mentioned she is going to put me on a psych ward if i don't get better or refuse to take my lithium, today it's my first day med free, but she came into my room and gave me a lithium, wich i pretended to swallow and threw away in the garbage

 

what you guys think is lithium safe or should i just stay med free?

[bubble]

I don't know much about lithium but none of these drugs are safe

 

I'm really sorry you are in this situation... I haven't read through your thread but how old are you?

 

What are your symptoms at the moment? Possibly your mom doesn't think you can cope. Would she be open to some reading about alternative views?

 

Can you tell her you will be unwell for a while but will get better gradually, show her that you can cope and that you know what you are doing?

[NaturalBorn]

I don't know much about lithium but none of these drugs are safe

 

I'm really sorry you are in this situation... I haven't read through your thread but how old are you?

 

What are your symptoms at the moment? Possibly your mom doesn't think you can cope. Would she be open to some reading about alternative views?

 

Can you tell her you will be unwell for a while but will get better gradually, show her that you can cope and that you know what you are doing?

yeah that's what i thought

i'm 20 i've been struggling with this since i was 18

my symptoms are to many to list haha, basically i'm housebound

i have tried showing her this site multiple times, tried showing her books about this, have inumerous conversations about this with her.

you're right she just don't think i can cope with it

[NaturalBorn]

happy new year to everybody on this site, specially those who couldn't travel and are stuck in their room like me

hope 2017 turns out different

wish you all true healing

[tntd]

Happy New Year NB, 

 

I hope the new year treats you better than you can possibly imagine. 

 

How are you doing since the visit with the dr?

 

You are in my thoughts,

 

Hugs

[tntd]

Hi NB,

 

Haven't seen you online in awhile. I hope that you are doing ok. I just wanted to let you know that I'm thinking of you,

 

Hugs

[NaturalBorn]

Hi NB,

 

Haven't seen you online in awhile. I hope that you are doing ok. I just wanted to let you know that I'm thinking of you,

 

Hugs

hi tntd, i'm off all my meds as a matter of fact, thanks for asking!

not doing as bad as i thought but not as good as i wished to, you know...

i'm trying to stay away from the forums as much as i can because it had grown into such a huge obssession that was not helping me at all.

but i still am gonna be posting my success storie here when i get there, that's for sure!

wish you the best as well, i'm thinking about you people constantly

[tntd]

Congratulations for being off all your meds, Yay! I'm glad it isn't as bad as you thought it would be. Complete healing will come in time, I'm sure not as fast as we all would like but it will come  . I look forward to reading your success story.

 

I understand what you mean about the forums becoming an obsession. I'm glad you were able to see it and take a step away. I hope that it has helped keep you in a better place. You have to do what is best for you.

 

Hug and healing to you. 

[NaturalBorn]

hey guys i just wanted to let you know, i'm 70% fully healed by the power of Jesus Christ.

 

I no longer have any sleepless nights AT ALL, neither i have any craving for benzos or anything, i'm off all medications, quit smoking as well, going to a job interview tomorrow, my physical pain is almost completely gone, my cognition is almost completely back, my memory is about 50% better, i NO LONGER have any overwelming fear neither anxiety.

 

to explain it better, i understand the pain that you guys are all going through, and I KNOW that this thing doesn't last for a couple of weeks or anything like that, i would be soooo hopeless and sad when i saw that you guys know what you're all talking about, basically it was like reading your own death sentence in your face... i couldn't express the hopelesness that i felt when i read what you guys were going through and knowing that was what i was headed for, but GOD helped me!

 

i know that probably some of you will hate what i have to say, or just think i'm delusional, but i'm not.

 

if i was i would not be prepared for going on a full time job (wich is a huge thing for me even when i was fully healed), i would not have been able to quit smoking 1 pack and a half of cigarretes a day COLD TURKEY without backsliding or having any major craving, trust me it was super easy to quit smoking! no tapering, neither nicotine stamps, nothing, just praying and faith!

 

i'm sleeping soketimes 4, 8, sometimes even 10 hours a day, WITHOUT ANY PILL, trust me if you read my posts you will see that sometimes i would see that sleeping was my major issue...

 

i would take sometimes 4mgs of klonopin, 50 mgs of trazadone, just to have a "normal sleep night", and it wasnt even normal, it would be like 8 hours of sleep than another 24-36 hours awake... PLUS all the other symptoms that you can possible imagine, that only people who have been throught this can understand, the most bizarre ones, I HAD IT... almost completely gone now. PRAISE THE LORD

 

You guys can understand the situation, i don't need to explain to YOU, but when i was going throught this i was thinking "man my life is over", "i will never be the same", then it led me to wondering, "what if there is really a God?", "what if He really is caring and loving like everybody says?", "can He heal me?"

TRUST ME HE CAN

 

but you need to give your life to Him... don't believe prosperety preachers who tell you that God just wants to bless you and make you happy, He does, but He wants to see that you are fully commited to Him first, give up on all of your sin, give up on ungodly realationships, REPENT, and believe the gospel.

and TRUST ME, HE WILL HELP YOU!!!!!

 

Not only that but He will also give you everlasting life!

 

This world is not supposed to be all fun, happines and peace, but with The Lord you can really fight the good fight of faith, the only one that truly matters...

 

What's the point of living in pain on this earth and then going to a place much worse when you die, because you didn't wanted to ober Christ and follow him?

 

God WANTS you all to be saved!! He desires that everybody get saved, and i really care about you guys! i understand your suffering and pain, and God does as well!!! He knows ALL OF YOUR PROBLEMS, and He can help you like anybody else can.

 

Do you wanna know why is it so hard to quit antidepressants, benzos and antipsychotics? Because it's a sin, and whosoever commits a sin, the same is a slave to sin!

 

believe me the pharmaceutical industry don't want you off of them pills, you probably know that already, and they do put witchcraft spells on this drugs to make you miserable... there is no withdrawal that a lie that satan puts on people's minds, just as everything else that is keeping you away from Jesus, is a lie from the devil, and you are submitting to it!

 

the bible says that God listen to the prayer of the broken hearted, guess what? that's you if you are on wicked demonic withdrawals.

 

i would love to lead someone to Christ from this site, because you guys cared about me!

 

anybody who want to ask me anything i would be glad to awnser. but you guys don't really need me neither anybody else, neither any church.

 

all you need is a king james bible (the less perverted translation), repentance, and Jesus.

that's what everybody needs in reality.

 

as for me i know i'm not 100% healed yet, i still need some deliverance and some time, but i am SO MUCH BETTER.

 

anyway that's it, i would also like to recomend some youtube channels from God's people that really helped me in the beggining

 

watch Chris lasala's channel and Josh coen, this guys know what they are talking about!

Edited February 12, 2017 by ChessieCat
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[fuerza]

Hey NB! I'm so glad to hear that you're doing well. I've followed your thread from the start and it's amazing to see how much better you are doing right now.

 

Just one note. While I think it's wonderful that you found healing and acceptance in God, I would be wary of talking about the devil and hell in these forums. I think most people here do not only experience a mental and physical crisis, but also a spiritual one. Again, I think it's okay to talk about faith, but for people who are going through the worst time of their lives, the concept of never-ending suffering can be a lot to take on.

[NaturalBorn]

Hey NB! I'm so glad to hear that you're doing well. I've followed your thread from the start and it's amazing to see how much better you are doing right now.

 

Just one note. While I think it's wonderful that you found healing and acceptance in God, I would be wary of talking about the devil and hell in these forums. I think most people here do not only experience a mental and physical crisis, but also a spiritual one. Again, I think it's okay to talk about faith, but for people who are going through the worst time of their lives, the concept of never-ending suffering can be a lot to take on.

thanks fuerza! what about you? how are you doing?

yeah i understand, but i think that it's a good motivational factor for people to follow the Lord Jesus, the bible says, don't be anxious, don't be fearfull, don't be afraid of men, but it DOES tell you to fear The Lord, who can give a permanent destiny to your soul, but you don't need to doubt your salvation if you are obeying His will...

plus he will heal you once He sees that you are for real about him! that's amazing, we really serve a loving God.

i'm not trying to preach fear to anybody, but salvation and repentence.

anyway thanks for the comment fuerza, hope the best for you, i really do! i will always have a soft heart for psychiatric victims... hope to see you in eternal life

[fuerza]

The other assumption would be that not being Christian grants you an eternity in hell and I'm sure many people here are not religious. 

 

Anyhow, thanks for asking! I'm doing better and trying to make plans for the future. I hope your healing continues.

[NaturalBorn]

The other assumption would be that not being Christian grants you an eternity in hell and I'm sure many people here are not religious. 

 

Anyhow, thanks for asking! I'm doing better and trying to make plans for the future. I hope your healing continues.

not obeying the gospel surely grants you an eternety in hell, only God can save your soul throught Jesus Christ

this is for real, people need to wake up from the matrix of this world...

but anyway i pray for people from this site i wouldn't wish hell to ANYBODY, and specially you guys, like i said i have a soft heart for you people

[doggiemama]

Thanks for bring our living GOD into this forum . I have been closer to GOD these blast 2 more years than ever before. I believe that pray and hanging on t

[Madeleine]

Thanks for bring our living GOD into this forum . I have been closer to GOD these blast 2 more years than ever before. I believe that pray and hanging on t

 

Agree with DoggieMama. Thanks.  

I pray for people on this forum too.

[NaturalBorn]

Thanks for bring our living GOD into this forum . I have been closer to GOD these blast 2 more years than ever before. I believe that pray and hanging on t

Amen! The Lord Jesus can set the captives from this forum free! He is our healer and our deliverer! Hope you never turn away from His love!

God bless you big time

[NaturalBorn]

 

Thanks for bring our living GOD into this forum . I have been closer to GOD these blast 2 more years than ever before. I believe that pray and hanging on t

 

Agree with DoggieMama. Thanks.  

I pray for people on this forum too.

 

yeah for sure! people need to turn from God on this hard time! i must say i'm thankfull for my horrific withdrawal experience nowadays, otherwise i would not be saved today! All praise to our Living Father

Let's keep praying for people on this forum to go running to the arms of Jesus

[JanCarol]

There is a topic for religious expression:

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/5849-lets-pray-for-one-another/

 

Please refrain from applying your version of beliefs to others.  

 

Can NaturalBorn get back to his topic here?

[NaturalBorn]

I'm telling you people DON'T JUST PRAY change your life get filled with the holy spirit of God, repent and turn from your sin... this is the ultimate cure for withdrawal and the only way to save your soul... i care about you people and i would be a loser if i just turned my back on you guys. I love you all and YOU DON'T NEED TO SUFFER ANYMORE

Its not a religion or anything like that its miraculous healing from our Creator

[NaturalBorn]

Look at my signature and all the drugs that i did, and read my posts how is this possible that for the last 2 months i've been free from my torment? I would be glad.to talk with any of you in private or even on skype to show you how real this is and how healed i am.God bless ypu all

[brassmonkey]

"get filled with the holy spirit of God, repent and turn from your sin..."

 

This is the exact type of statement that is unacceptable. Talking about how your religion has helped you personally is fine, but trying to sell those views to other members crosses the line.

 

Further more making comments such as: "not obeying the gospel surely grants you an eternety in hell, only God can save your soul throught Jesus Christ", and others,  which in effect relegates our many non-christian members to damnation  are not only uncalled for on this type of forum, they are down right insulting to our own belief systems.  We cater to ALL belief systems with the understanding that religion is a personal matter which is an important part of ADWD and recovery,can be discussed in general terms but is not to be proselytized.

 

Posts of this sort are against the rules of the forum and if you have been asked politely not to make these sorts of comments, if you persist then we will have no option than to issue you a warning point.

[NaturalBorn]

"get filled with the holy spirit of God, repent and turn from your sin..."

 

This is the exact type of statement that is unacceptable. Talking about how your religion has helped you personally is fine, but trying to sell those views to other members crosses the line.

 

Further more making comments such as: "not obeying the gospel surely grants you an eternety in hell, only God can save your soul throught Jesus Christ", and others,  which in effect relegates our many non-christian members to damnation  are not only uncalled for on this type of forum, they are down right insulting to our own belief systems.  We cater to ALL belief systems with the understanding that religion is a personal matter which is an important part of ADWD and recovery,can be discussed in general terms but is not to be proselytized.

 

Posts of this sort are against the rules of the forum and if you have been asked politely not to make these sorts of comments, if you persist then we will have no option than to issue you a warning point.

ok i understand, but if anybody wants to talk with me you're all invited!

[NaturalBorn]

I promissed to you people a success story when this nightmare was over, so here it is!

 

It's true what people say, when this is over you can't barely remember the suffering, i don't think about medication, or withdrawal EVER AGAIN, not even a second of my day.

 

You can read on my signature, that my case was pretty severe, i also used some more medication than what is listed. But the ones that caused most of my issues are on there, also is important to notice that before finding God i was using klonopin more then just 3 times a week.

 

Here is a list of all the drugs that i did, AFTER the first disastrous effexor cold turkey:

venlafaxine, trazadone , seroquel , abilify , morphine, tramadol , olanzapine , klonipin , xanax , stillnox , codeine, tegretol , propranolol and soma. Not to mention, alcohol, marijuana, cocaine, lsd and cigarretes (1 pack a day).

 

So you can see i was a pretty bad case.

 

In december 28 i took my last trazadone 12,5 mg. I was praying and seeking God since october, because i knew this was a hopeless situation. I began seriously considering suicide...

 

When i was in rehab, this girl started talking with me about jesus, but a little before being sent there, i was watching testimonies videos of jesus and i just felt like, "man if there really is a God, and he is loving and mercifull as these people tell i wanna know" i had never read a bible and nothing like that, but i prayed sometimes hoping for something to happen, and nothing happened because i wasn't going with 100% of my will.

 

BUT He still awnsered. When i ended up in rehab, this girl came to me and started talking about God, and i was like "maybe this is a sign" but i didn't changed, i left the rehab around july, and i created this profile around october i think (?).

 

But the thing is, since i left the rehab i stopped caring, they putted me on multiple medications, i left the "stressfull" life, and did some physical therapy, so i was feeling "better".

 

But it didn't lasted much, as you can see from my desperate posts on this forum, well around november i just realized that this was a hopeless situation, multiple cold turkeys, mixing antipsychotics, antidepressants, benzos and everything else.

 

I was getting pretty hopeless, i mean EVEN if i got to 100% it would be around my 23-25, imagine what i would have to endure until there, since nobody around me understood my situation.

 

SO i started remembering about GOD, i started seeking Him, and guess what? Right after christimas i found the truth about the pharmaceutical industry, and about life... it's in the bible.

 

you guys can think that i'm a jesus freak or whatever, i understand, but just consider for a second that i'm telling you guys the truth, i don't have any reason to be lying, and i can talk with anybody on skype about this.

 

NOW to be fully honest i must say, that i did not got 100% healed YET, i got about 90-95%, but there are some minor muscle pain left.

 

But compared to what it was until beggining of january it's like NOTHING AT ALL.

 

I dont ever think about medication again, NO MORE ANXIETY, NO MORE HOPELESSNESS, NO MORE INSOMNIA, NO MORE VIVID DREAMS, NO MORE SUICIDE THOUGHTS, NO MORE NONE OF THAT CRAP, and i'm sure that i will get to 100% pretty soon, but honestly it's so minor that i don't even care haha.

 

It's for real people all you need is a broken heart and some diligence to seek Him, most of us have a lot of free time anyway, use this time to seek Him, I PROMISSE something will happen.

 

I also quit smoking cigarretes cold turkey, never gonna take a pill, neither use any other drug on my life!

 

I'm looking for a job, and to leave my mom's house as soon as possible, pretty major change for somebody who never even had a real job haha.

 

Trust me people, I WILL NEVER forget how this feels, the sorrow, the anger, the sadness, the lack of hope. I have a soft heart for everybody that was harmed by this drugs.

 

If anybody wants to ask any question i will be glad to awnser, or even talk with you guys on skype.

 

I wanna say thank you to tntd, scallywag and fuerza for always supporting me, i really aprreciated what you guys told me when i was suffering, and i really really really hope the best for you guys!

 

Remember this, i know this situation seems completely hopeless (at least it did for me) but there's no problem that is to bad for our creator, the bible says He is capable of doing more than we can ask or even imagine!

Edited March 31, 2017 by scallywag
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[scallywag]

Hi NaturalBorn -- thanks for posting an update with great news about your progress.

 

We like people to have at least a year's experience medication free before posting a success story. I've moved the post to your introduction topic.

 

Keep letting us know how you're doing and in January 2018 come back and post that success story with even more good news.

[NaturalBorn]

Oh ok i understand, no problem i will

[ChessieCat]

Hi NB,

 

I can understand your excitement and zeal and wanting to share your experience but this site is for information and support about antidepressants and getting off psychiatric drugs, not trying to convert members to a religion or faith.  Your most recent post has been moved.  I believe God is healing me

 

From What will get you warned or banned:

 

- Aggressively advocating religious practices
Our members come from all over the world, of all faiths, religions, and age groups. We support the private pursuit of religious or spiritual support, but caution members against promoting a particular religious practice in contexts where this might offend others.

The Finding Meaning forum is the appropriate venue for expressions of personal religious beliefs. At the discretion of the administrator or moderators, if you tend to proselytize, you may be asked to start one topic in the Finding Meaning forum where you can answer questions about your faith rather than proselytizing throughout the site.

 

Finding meaning

Edited April 7, 2017 by ChessieCat