Administrator Altostrata Posted February 12, 2014 Administrator Share Posted February 12, 2014 I agree with you that a divided dose might give a smoother ride, particularly since the entire dose taken at once is too activating. mb, I would move the doses apart gradually. First 4 hours apart, then 5 hours, etc. until you are taking them about 12 hours apart. I hope the evening dose doesn't keep you awake. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
moodyblues78 Posted February 12, 2014 Author Share Posted February 12, 2014 Hi Alto Taking the liquid to work does not seem practical and would once again raise questions. I took 6mg in the morning and 5 when I got back home. I will push it further from there. I slept for about 6-7hrs last night. Most of it good quality sleep. 08 Cipralex 10mg for about 6 months. 11-12 Cipralex 20mg. Unsuccesful WD. 12-13 Zoloft 100mg with Diazepam 10-20mg as needed for anxiety.Fall 13 Tapering Zoloft 100->50->25->12,5->0 in 2,5 months and CT Diazepam. 12/24/13 RI Zoloft 12,5mg. 1/21/14 11mg 3/18/14 9,9mg 2/18/14 8mg 4/22/14 7,6mg 5/5/14 7,2mg 5/12/14 -> cutting 0,5mg per week, holding when necessary. 8/18/14 -> cutting 0,25mg per week holding when necessary. 10/20/2014 -> cutting 0,1mg per week, holding when necessary.12/28/2014 Jump! Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus bubble Posted February 12, 2014 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted February 12, 2014 I take my liquid to work in a bottle I got from my herbal doctor, keep it in the office fridge (although it is on higher temperature while I travel). The colleagues see me taking lot of supplements and don't ask any questions. But if they did I'd just say it's a probiotic.... Current: 9/2022 Xanax 0.08, Lexapro 2 2020 Xanax 0.26 (down from 2 mg in 2013), Lexapro 2.85 mg (down from 5 mg 2013) Amitriptyline (tricyclic AD) and clonazepam for 3 months to treat headache in 1996 1999. - present Xanax prn up to 3 mg. 2000-2005 Prozac CT twice, 2005-2010 Zoloft CT 3 times, 2010-2013 Escitalopram 10 mg went from 2.5 to zero on 7 Aug 2013, bad crash 40 days afterreinstated to 5 mg Escitalopram 4Oct 2013 and holding liquid Xanax every 5 hours 28 Jan 2014 Xanax 1.9, 18 Apr 2015 1 mg, 25 June 2015 Lex 4.8, 6 Aug Lexapro 4.6, 1 Jan 2016 0.64 Xanax 9 month hold 24 Sept 2016 4.5 Lex, 17 Oct 4.4 Lex (Nov 0.63 Xanax, Dec 0.625 Xanax), 1 Jan 2017 4.3 Lex, 24 Jan 4.2, 5 Feb 4.1, 24 Mar 4 mg, 10 Apr 3.9 mg, May 3.85, June 3.8, July 3.75, 22 July 3.7, 15 Aug 3.65, 17 Sept 3.6, 1 Jan 2018 3.55, 19 Jan 3.5, 16 Mar 3.4, 14 Apr 3.3, 23 May 3.2, 16 June 3.15, 15 Jul 3.1, 31 Jul 3, 21 Aug 2.9 26 Sept 2.85, 14 Nov Xan 0.61, 1 Dec 0.59, 19 Dec 0.58, 4 Jan 0.565, 6 Feb 0.55, 20 Feb 0.535, 1 Mar 0.505, 10 Mar 0.475, 14 Mar 0.45, 4 Apr 0.415, 13 Apr 0.37, 21 Apr 0.33, 29 Apr 0.29, 10 May 0.27, 17 May 0.25, 28 May 0.22, 19 June 0.22, 21 Jun updose to 0.24, 24 Jun updose to 0.26 Supplements: Omega 3 + Vit E, Vit C, D, magnesium, Taurine, probiotic I'm not a medical professional. Any advice I give is based on my own experience and reading. Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted February 12, 2014 Administrator Share Posted February 12, 2014 When I needed to take a dose away from home, I would pre-measure it into a small bottle and carry just that. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
moodyblues78 Posted February 13, 2014 Author Share Posted February 13, 2014 That went well.. I was feeling ok but yesterday I had a very stressful day at work and was very wired all day. I crashed big time. On top of that we had a lot to do at home and my very tired wife did not take it well that I could not help much at all. I was in panic the whole evening. I`m back at work trying to pick up the pieces of me and start gluing them back together. My next plan is to increase magnesium and fish oil. I have to find ways to calm my cns. 08 Cipralex 10mg for about 6 months. 11-12 Cipralex 20mg. Unsuccesful WD. 12-13 Zoloft 100mg with Diazepam 10-20mg as needed for anxiety.Fall 13 Tapering Zoloft 100->50->25->12,5->0 in 2,5 months and CT Diazepam. 12/24/13 RI Zoloft 12,5mg. 1/21/14 11mg 3/18/14 9,9mg 2/18/14 8mg 4/22/14 7,6mg 5/5/14 7,2mg 5/12/14 -> cutting 0,5mg per week, holding when necessary. 8/18/14 -> cutting 0,25mg per week holding when necessary. 10/20/2014 -> cutting 0,1mg per week, holding when necessary.12/28/2014 Jump! Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus bubble Posted February 13, 2014 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted February 13, 2014 I admire your fight and learning a lot from you. My main battle is to finalyl become more productive at work. I have allowed myself too much of 'sick leave at work'... Just kept telling myself I've worked awfully hard at this workplace for 5 years so deserve to take a little shelter when in need. But getting increasingly uncomfortable with my decreased productivity so have to do soemthing about it: stop writing here and write in the other programme I so like your sense of humour in the face of all these horrible experiences. hope the gluing works Haven't been taking any magnesium for some time now and doing relatively fine. Anxiety up and down and the main problem is attention deficit and difficulties focusing.. Current: 9/2022 Xanax 0.08, Lexapro 2 2020 Xanax 0.26 (down from 2 mg in 2013), Lexapro 2.85 mg (down from 5 mg 2013) Amitriptyline (tricyclic AD) and clonazepam for 3 months to treat headache in 1996 1999. - present Xanax prn up to 3 mg. 2000-2005 Prozac CT twice, 2005-2010 Zoloft CT 3 times, 2010-2013 Escitalopram 10 mg went from 2.5 to zero on 7 Aug 2013, bad crash 40 days afterreinstated to 5 mg Escitalopram 4Oct 2013 and holding liquid Xanax every 5 hours 28 Jan 2014 Xanax 1.9, 18 Apr 2015 1 mg, 25 June 2015 Lex 4.8, 6 Aug Lexapro 4.6, 1 Jan 2016 0.64 Xanax 9 month hold 24 Sept 2016 4.5 Lex, 17 Oct 4.4 Lex (Nov 0.63 Xanax, Dec 0.625 Xanax), 1 Jan 2017 4.3 Lex, 24 Jan 4.2, 5 Feb 4.1, 24 Mar 4 mg, 10 Apr 3.9 mg, May 3.85, June 3.8, July 3.75, 22 July 3.7, 15 Aug 3.65, 17 Sept 3.6, 1 Jan 2018 3.55, 19 Jan 3.5, 16 Mar 3.4, 14 Apr 3.3, 23 May 3.2, 16 June 3.15, 15 Jul 3.1, 31 Jul 3, 21 Aug 2.9 26 Sept 2.85, 14 Nov Xan 0.61, 1 Dec 0.59, 19 Dec 0.58, 4 Jan 0.565, 6 Feb 0.55, 20 Feb 0.535, 1 Mar 0.505, 10 Mar 0.475, 14 Mar 0.45, 4 Apr 0.415, 13 Apr 0.37, 21 Apr 0.33, 29 Apr 0.29, 10 May 0.27, 17 May 0.25, 28 May 0.22, 19 June 0.22, 21 Jun updose to 0.24, 24 Jun updose to 0.26 Supplements: Omega 3 + Vit E, Vit C, D, magnesium, Taurine, probiotic I'm not a medical professional. Any advice I give is based on my own experience and reading. Link to comment
moodyblues78 Posted February 13, 2014 Author Share Posted February 13, 2014 Thank you Bubble. I follow your progress closely too. I am nowhere near as productive at work as I would if I was ok but then again, I cannot. At least I get something done but mainly I`m just driving on idle gas. Hoping to survive another day. Not being able to do as much as I should has been hard to accept. I`m feeling a little better than in the morning so I`m hopeful this day won`t be as bad as yesterday. We will get through this! 08 Cipralex 10mg for about 6 months. 11-12 Cipralex 20mg. Unsuccesful WD. 12-13 Zoloft 100mg with Diazepam 10-20mg as needed for anxiety.Fall 13 Tapering Zoloft 100->50->25->12,5->0 in 2,5 months and CT Diazepam. 12/24/13 RI Zoloft 12,5mg. 1/21/14 11mg 3/18/14 9,9mg 2/18/14 8mg 4/22/14 7,6mg 5/5/14 7,2mg 5/12/14 -> cutting 0,5mg per week, holding when necessary. 8/18/14 -> cutting 0,25mg per week holding when necessary. 10/20/2014 -> cutting 0,1mg per week, holding when necessary.12/28/2014 Jump! Link to comment
Nikki Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 MB want to thank you for the link from anxiety.com....it is simple and concise and very helpful. I think the first thing in the morning I should come down to the computer, log onto that site and answer the questionnaire after reading the 5 steps to stop the panic. MB when you reinstated the zoloft at 12.50 did you feel somewhat better? Or did it not work and that is why you are tapering? thanks again for the link. Intro: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1902-nikki-hi-my-rundown-with-ads/ Paxil 1997-2004 Crossed over to Lexapro Paxil not available at Pharmacies GSK halted deliveries Lexapro 40mgs Lexapro taper (2years) Imipramine Imipramine and Celexa Now Nefazadone/Imipramine 50mgs. each 45mgs. Serzone 50mgs. Imipramine Link to comment
moodyblues78 Posted February 13, 2014 Author Share Posted February 13, 2014 You`re welcome Nikki. It took some weeks before I felt any better. I was too eager to go down to 11. Then I accidentally took only 5,5mg for many days and went back to 11. That pushed me right back to hell and I haven`t been able to stabilize since. My cns is extremely sensitive right now. I go from one extreme to another. So I seem to be making every mistake available. Today I`m feeling much better than yesterday (atleast at the moment) but I`ve taken a boatload of magnesium so that may be the reason for that. 08 Cipralex 10mg for about 6 months. 11-12 Cipralex 20mg. Unsuccesful WD. 12-13 Zoloft 100mg with Diazepam 10-20mg as needed for anxiety.Fall 13 Tapering Zoloft 100->50->25->12,5->0 in 2,5 months and CT Diazepam. 12/24/13 RI Zoloft 12,5mg. 1/21/14 11mg 3/18/14 9,9mg 2/18/14 8mg 4/22/14 7,6mg 5/5/14 7,2mg 5/12/14 -> cutting 0,5mg per week, holding when necessary. 8/18/14 -> cutting 0,25mg per week holding when necessary. 10/20/2014 -> cutting 0,1mg per week, holding when necessary.12/28/2014 Jump! Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus bubble Posted February 13, 2014 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted February 13, 2014 it might be magnesium works after all (or maybe this window would come regardless) although it probably won't last (as we know ;( it's very positive sign that more are to come... Current: 9/2022 Xanax 0.08, Lexapro 2 2020 Xanax 0.26 (down from 2 mg in 2013), Lexapro 2.85 mg (down from 5 mg 2013) Amitriptyline (tricyclic AD) and clonazepam for 3 months to treat headache in 1996 1999. - present Xanax prn up to 3 mg. 2000-2005 Prozac CT twice, 2005-2010 Zoloft CT 3 times, 2010-2013 Escitalopram 10 mg went from 2.5 to zero on 7 Aug 2013, bad crash 40 days afterreinstated to 5 mg Escitalopram 4Oct 2013 and holding liquid Xanax every 5 hours 28 Jan 2014 Xanax 1.9, 18 Apr 2015 1 mg, 25 June 2015 Lex 4.8, 6 Aug Lexapro 4.6, 1 Jan 2016 0.64 Xanax 9 month hold 24 Sept 2016 4.5 Lex, 17 Oct 4.4 Lex (Nov 0.63 Xanax, Dec 0.625 Xanax), 1 Jan 2017 4.3 Lex, 24 Jan 4.2, 5 Feb 4.1, 24 Mar 4 mg, 10 Apr 3.9 mg, May 3.85, June 3.8, July 3.75, 22 July 3.7, 15 Aug 3.65, 17 Sept 3.6, 1 Jan 2018 3.55, 19 Jan 3.5, 16 Mar 3.4, 14 Apr 3.3, 23 May 3.2, 16 June 3.15, 15 Jul 3.1, 31 Jul 3, 21 Aug 2.9 26 Sept 2.85, 14 Nov Xan 0.61, 1 Dec 0.59, 19 Dec 0.58, 4 Jan 0.565, 6 Feb 0.55, 20 Feb 0.535, 1 Mar 0.505, 10 Mar 0.475, 14 Mar 0.45, 4 Apr 0.415, 13 Apr 0.37, 21 Apr 0.33, 29 Apr 0.29, 10 May 0.27, 17 May 0.25, 28 May 0.22, 19 June 0.22, 21 Jun updose to 0.24, 24 Jun updose to 0.26 Supplements: Omega 3 + Vit E, Vit C, D, magnesium, Taurine, probiotic I'm not a medical professional. Any advice I give is based on my own experience and reading. Link to comment
Nikki Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 MB I am doing well most likely because I am decreasing the serzone which gave me anxiety and I increased the imipramine which is giving me a lovely respite from anxiety. I have been taking Fish Oil - Flaxseed Oil and Magnesium and I think they are helping too. I read on this site (somewhere) about taking Vitamin C at night for AM anxiety. Don't be too hard on yourself, you are managing with a home, children and a job....that is alot. Hang in there Intro: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1902-nikki-hi-my-rundown-with-ads/ Paxil 1997-2004 Crossed over to Lexapro Paxil not available at Pharmacies GSK halted deliveries Lexapro 40mgs Lexapro taper (2years) Imipramine Imipramine and Celexa Now Nefazadone/Imipramine 50mgs. each 45mgs. Serzone 50mgs. Imipramine Link to comment
moodyblues78 Posted February 13, 2014 Author Share Posted February 13, 2014 This was a strange day. Did not sleep well and had a nice anxiety wake up. Super anxious in the morning and work was hell. Then I decided to take magnesium and risk the future of my pants. I took 500mg of magnesium citrate. Not all at once. Slowly I started feeling better. I was a bit anxious when I got back home but then I met myself after a long time. I was back. Laughing and making jokes. My son told me I was the best father he could have and I got many kisses on my cheek. Also my diaper is still dry! The best day in a very long time. This could be just a window but I`m going to keep my magnesium dose high and see how it goes. I fear losing this feeling and I probably will but at least I know that I`m not insane. I`m am under this floor of anxiety trying to get out. 1 08 Cipralex 10mg for about 6 months. 11-12 Cipralex 20mg. Unsuccesful WD. 12-13 Zoloft 100mg with Diazepam 10-20mg as needed for anxiety.Fall 13 Tapering Zoloft 100->50->25->12,5->0 in 2,5 months and CT Diazepam. 12/24/13 RI Zoloft 12,5mg. 1/21/14 11mg 3/18/14 9,9mg 2/18/14 8mg 4/22/14 7,6mg 5/5/14 7,2mg 5/12/14 -> cutting 0,5mg per week, holding when necessary. 8/18/14 -> cutting 0,25mg per week holding when necessary. 10/20/2014 -> cutting 0,1mg per week, holding when necessary.12/28/2014 Jump! Link to comment
Nikki Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Magnesium citrate does help. Or it did for me. It did however upset my stomach. This morning I came downstairs and went on the anxiety website to help myself out and it did not last as long as it sometimes does. I have anxiety and there are reasons. Things that scare me and make me feel unsafe. But I also understand that if I were not affected by drugs and stable, maybe the fear would not be as big as it is. I find that when I am well rested things are easier. How about you? Intro: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1902-nikki-hi-my-rundown-with-ads/ Paxil 1997-2004 Crossed over to Lexapro Paxil not available at Pharmacies GSK halted deliveries Lexapro 40mgs Lexapro taper (2years) Imipramine Imipramine and Celexa Now Nefazadone/Imipramine 50mgs. each 45mgs. Serzone 50mgs. Imipramine Link to comment
moodyblues78 Posted February 14, 2014 Author Share Posted February 14, 2014 I agree. Generally I feel better rested. The problem for me is that during my AD use and failed WD:s I have developed a big catalog of situational anxieties. These are my main problem. It will take a long time to resolve all those. I have lived in fear for the most of my life. Today is one of those days. I`ve been nervous the whole day but no panic so far. I keep telling myself to calm down and accept this feeling. It went away for a while but now it`s back. Soon I`ll have to go pick up kids and go home and face the fear or the weekend. How will it go this time? Argh... 08 Cipralex 10mg for about 6 months. 11-12 Cipralex 20mg. Unsuccesful WD. 12-13 Zoloft 100mg with Diazepam 10-20mg as needed for anxiety.Fall 13 Tapering Zoloft 100->50->25->12,5->0 in 2,5 months and CT Diazepam. 12/24/13 RI Zoloft 12,5mg. 1/21/14 11mg 3/18/14 9,9mg 2/18/14 8mg 4/22/14 7,6mg 5/5/14 7,2mg 5/12/14 -> cutting 0,5mg per week, holding when necessary. 8/18/14 -> cutting 0,25mg per week holding when necessary. 10/20/2014 -> cutting 0,1mg per week, holding when necessary.12/28/2014 Jump! Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus bubble Posted February 14, 2014 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted February 14, 2014 altogether, very positive developments on your front! towards the end of my working day I have to say that today I've been very productive FINALLY!!!What a relief! I even solved a very complicated case (so won my same same fame and laurels to rest on when I need it I totally understand living your life in fear. I was not able to go anywhere with my friends or make any plans for years because I never knewhow anxious I would be. For at least 10 years i couldn't imagine travelling abroad. Going to the store was a problem. I went to work swept with anxiety for years. But it passed! Over the last 6 years I visited 19 countries on 3 continents not counting Europe... You are a great dad!!! Enjoy your weekend despite the fear, if it comes Current: 9/2022 Xanax 0.08, Lexapro 2 2020 Xanax 0.26 (down from 2 mg in 2013), Lexapro 2.85 mg (down from 5 mg 2013) Amitriptyline (tricyclic AD) and clonazepam for 3 months to treat headache in 1996 1999. - present Xanax prn up to 3 mg. 2000-2005 Prozac CT twice, 2005-2010 Zoloft CT 3 times, 2010-2013 Escitalopram 10 mg went from 2.5 to zero on 7 Aug 2013, bad crash 40 days afterreinstated to 5 mg Escitalopram 4Oct 2013 and holding liquid Xanax every 5 hours 28 Jan 2014 Xanax 1.9, 18 Apr 2015 1 mg, 25 June 2015 Lex 4.8, 6 Aug Lexapro 4.6, 1 Jan 2016 0.64 Xanax 9 month hold 24 Sept 2016 4.5 Lex, 17 Oct 4.4 Lex (Nov 0.63 Xanax, Dec 0.625 Xanax), 1 Jan 2017 4.3 Lex, 24 Jan 4.2, 5 Feb 4.1, 24 Mar 4 mg, 10 Apr 3.9 mg, May 3.85, June 3.8, July 3.75, 22 July 3.7, 15 Aug 3.65, 17 Sept 3.6, 1 Jan 2018 3.55, 19 Jan 3.5, 16 Mar 3.4, 14 Apr 3.3, 23 May 3.2, 16 June 3.15, 15 Jul 3.1, 31 Jul 3, 21 Aug 2.9 26 Sept 2.85, 14 Nov Xan 0.61, 1 Dec 0.59, 19 Dec 0.58, 4 Jan 0.565, 6 Feb 0.55, 20 Feb 0.535, 1 Mar 0.505, 10 Mar 0.475, 14 Mar 0.45, 4 Apr 0.415, 13 Apr 0.37, 21 Apr 0.33, 29 Apr 0.29, 10 May 0.27, 17 May 0.25, 28 May 0.22, 19 June 0.22, 21 Jun updose to 0.24, 24 Jun updose to 0.26 Supplements: Omega 3 + Vit E, Vit C, D, magnesium, Taurine, probiotic I'm not a medical professional. Any advice I give is based on my own experience and reading. Link to comment
moodyblues78 Posted February 14, 2014 Author Share Posted February 14, 2014 I totally understand living your life in fear. I was not able to go anywhere with my friends or make any plans for years because I never knewhow anxious I would be. For at least 10 years i couldn't imagine travelling abroad. Going to the store was a problem. I went to work swept with anxiety for years. You have come a long way. I admire that. I had a stressful day and I`m very tired and anxious. Just trying to breathe. I`ll be fine. 08 Cipralex 10mg for about 6 months. 11-12 Cipralex 20mg. Unsuccesful WD. 12-13 Zoloft 100mg with Diazepam 10-20mg as needed for anxiety.Fall 13 Tapering Zoloft 100->50->25->12,5->0 in 2,5 months and CT Diazepam. 12/24/13 RI Zoloft 12,5mg. 1/21/14 11mg 3/18/14 9,9mg 2/18/14 8mg 4/22/14 7,6mg 5/5/14 7,2mg 5/12/14 -> cutting 0,5mg per week, holding when necessary. 8/18/14 -> cutting 0,25mg per week holding when necessary. 10/20/2014 -> cutting 0,1mg per week, holding when necessary.12/28/2014 Jump! Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted February 14, 2014 Administrator Share Posted February 14, 2014 Magnesium glycinate is easier on the stomach. moodyblues, learning meditative breathing would help you. Rather than anticipating panic or anxiety, you calm yourself down. We have several topics on it in the Symptoms section. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
moodyblues78 Posted February 14, 2014 Author Share Posted February 14, 2014 Thank you for the tips Alto. I haven`t seen those breathing topics. I`ll try to find them. Right now I`m doing this: http://www.anxietycoach.com/breathingexercise.html. It helps but my mind tricks me back into fear all the time. 08 Cipralex 10mg for about 6 months. 11-12 Cipralex 20mg. Unsuccesful WD. 12-13 Zoloft 100mg with Diazepam 10-20mg as needed for anxiety.Fall 13 Tapering Zoloft 100->50->25->12,5->0 in 2,5 months and CT Diazepam. 12/24/13 RI Zoloft 12,5mg. 1/21/14 11mg 3/18/14 9,9mg 2/18/14 8mg 4/22/14 7,6mg 5/5/14 7,2mg 5/12/14 -> cutting 0,5mg per week, holding when necessary. 8/18/14 -> cutting 0,25mg per week holding when necessary. 10/20/2014 -> cutting 0,1mg per week, holding when necessary.12/28/2014 Jump! Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted February 14, 2014 Administrator Share Posted February 14, 2014 There you go: Meditative breathing. Yes, you need to practice to strengthen the effect. Don't get discouraged, this can work very well. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Nikki Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 The questionnaire is helpful MB....we have alot in common in regards to the situational anxieties and the fear that blows them up out of proportions even if they are real. And some of them are real. I am dead tired.....beyond dead tired.....I am in a crash and burn mode right now from working so much. When this happens the Epstein Barr Virus reactivates and causes me to feel ill and tired. The solution and it works every time is to lay down and sleep for a few hours, but I haven't had the time Can you catch up on rest or is that impossible with the kids Intro: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1902-nikki-hi-my-rundown-with-ads/ Paxil 1997-2004 Crossed over to Lexapro Paxil not available at Pharmacies GSK halted deliveries Lexapro 40mgs Lexapro taper (2years) Imipramine Imipramine and Celexa Now Nefazadone/Imipramine 50mgs. each 45mgs. Serzone 50mgs. Imipramine Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Rhiannon Posted February 15, 2014 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted February 15, 2014 Ok, heres the result of the "svalbard" jury: Two doses a day, 2 x 5.5 mg at 8.00 and 20.00 resulted in Average blood serum: 17,30 Max 18,96 Min 15,26 One dose 11 mg at 20.00 resulted in Average blood serum: 17,31 Max 21,90 Min 12,85 Here are the diagrams: image.jpg image.jpg Wow, nice, Wulfgar! I am totally fangirl-ing out on your Excel charts. Woop woop! Started on Prozac and Xanax in 1992 for PTSD after an assault. One drug led to more, the usual story. Got sicker and sicker, but believed I needed the drugs for my "underlying disease". Long story...lost everything. Life savings, home, physical and mental health, relationships, friendships, ability to work, everything. Amitryptiline, Prozac, bupropion, buspirone, flurazepam, diazepam, alprazolam, Paxil, citalopram, lamotrigine, gabapentin...probably more I've forgotten. Started multidrug taper in Feb 2010. Doing a very slow microtaper, down to low doses now and feeling SO much better, getting my old personality and my brain back! Able to work full time, have a full social life, and cope with stress better than ever. Not perfect, but much better. After 23 lost years. Big Pharma has a lot to answer for. And "medicine for profit" is just not a great idea. Feb 15 2010: 300 mg Neurontin 200 Lamictal 10 Celexa 0.65 Xanax and 5 mg Ambien Feb 10 2014: 62 Lamictal 1.1 Celexa 0.135 Xanax 1.8 Valium Feb 10 2015: 50 Lamictal 0.875 Celexa 0.11 Xanax 1.5 Valium Feb 15 2016: 47.5 Lamictal 0.75 Celexa 0.0875 Xanax 1.42 Valium 2/12/20 12 0.045 0.007 1 May 2021 7 0.01 0.0037 1 Feb 2022 6 0!!! 0.00167 0.98 2.5 mg Ambien Oct 2022 4.5 mg Lamictal (off Celexa, off Xanax) 0.95 Valium Ambien, 1/4 to 1/2 of a 5 mg tablet I'm not a doctor. Any advice I give is just my civilian opinion. Link to comment
moodyblues78 Posted February 15, 2014 Author Share Posted February 15, 2014 After 24 hrs of panic in hell, this is on my to do list: http://www.paxilprogress.org/forums/showthread.php?t=61627 08 Cipralex 10mg for about 6 months. 11-12 Cipralex 20mg. Unsuccesful WD. 12-13 Zoloft 100mg with Diazepam 10-20mg as needed for anxiety.Fall 13 Tapering Zoloft 100->50->25->12,5->0 in 2,5 months and CT Diazepam. 12/24/13 RI Zoloft 12,5mg. 1/21/14 11mg 3/18/14 9,9mg 2/18/14 8mg 4/22/14 7,6mg 5/5/14 7,2mg 5/12/14 -> cutting 0,5mg per week, holding when necessary. 8/18/14 -> cutting 0,25mg per week holding when necessary. 10/20/2014 -> cutting 0,1mg per week, holding when necessary.12/28/2014 Jump! Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus mammaP Posted February 15, 2014 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted February 15, 2014 Love that MB, acceptance is key. There is no point fighting what you have no control over and no point worrying about it, you have to ride with it and do what you can to make that ride as comfortable as you can until you can hop off! **I am not a medical professional, if in doubt please consult a doctor with withdrawal knowledge. Different drugs occasionally (mostly benzos) 1976 - 1981 (no problem) 1993 - 2002 in and out of hospital. every type of drug + ECT. Staring with seroxat 2002 effexor. Tapered March 2012 to March 2013, ending with 5 beads. Withdrawal April 2013 . Reinstated 5 beads reduced to 4 beads May 2013 Restarted taper Nov 2013 OFF EFFEXOR Feb 2015 Tapered atenolol and omeprazole Dec 2013 - May 2014 Tapering tramadol, Feb 2015 100mg , March 2015 50mg July 2017 30mg. May 15 2018 25mg Taking fish oil, magnesium, B12, folic acid, bilberry eyebright for eye pressure. My story http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4199-hello-mammap-checking-in/page-33 Lesson learned, slow down taper at lower doses. Taper no more than 10% of CURRENT dose if possible Link to comment
Nikki Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 Yes....'acceptance is the answer to all my problems today' Big Book of AA Here's another" "When I stopped living in the problem and began living in the solution, the problem went away." And every time I read that I ask myself "what is the solution or answer?" Terrific stuff, hard to practice when under the influence of WD. For myself the WD does something to my brain (so does anxiety) and I am unable to see the solution or answer). When there is no WD or anxiety I can see more clearly and coach myself. Nikki Intro: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1902-nikki-hi-my-rundown-with-ads/ Paxil 1997-2004 Crossed over to Lexapro Paxil not available at Pharmacies GSK halted deliveries Lexapro 40mgs Lexapro taper (2years) Imipramine Imipramine and Celexa Now Nefazadone/Imipramine 50mgs. each 45mgs. Serzone 50mgs. Imipramine Link to comment
moodyblues78 Posted February 16, 2014 Author Share Posted February 16, 2014 I found my daily cure for anxiety. This time it came in a form of a guitar. I played until I got blisters on my finger and blood on my telecaster. Horrible morning but the evening was saved. Acceptance. I need to learn that. And write a song. 08 Cipralex 10mg for about 6 months. 11-12 Cipralex 20mg. Unsuccesful WD. 12-13 Zoloft 100mg with Diazepam 10-20mg as needed for anxiety.Fall 13 Tapering Zoloft 100->50->25->12,5->0 in 2,5 months and CT Diazepam. 12/24/13 RI Zoloft 12,5mg. 1/21/14 11mg 3/18/14 9,9mg 2/18/14 8mg 4/22/14 7,6mg 5/5/14 7,2mg 5/12/14 -> cutting 0,5mg per week, holding when necessary. 8/18/14 -> cutting 0,25mg per week holding when necessary. 10/20/2014 -> cutting 0,1mg per week, holding when necessary.12/28/2014 Jump! Link to comment
wulfgar Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Guitar is good! I have played lots these days. I play acoustic. Also borrow my kids bass guitar. I have also started train/better my sight reading through an app. It is difficult for stray thoughts to surface when concentrating on sight reading. Creativity in song writing sounds like healing! How does the twice a day dosing work? To early to tell? Hope it does work and that your anxiety can settle down a bit. 2010: Mirtazapine 30mg followed by Zopiclone 7.5 mg for sleep post surgery due to pain.2012-> Tapering Mirtazapine and Zopiclone at different rates unsuccessfully.2013: Hospitalized 10 days due to complete Insomnia. Forced back up to 45mg Mirtazapine, 7.5 mg Zopiclone and also Theralene 1 ml.2013-03: Lab showed Vitamin D deficient. Found the vitamin d and insomnia connection. Supplementing vitamin d. Sleep improved by 1-2 hours2013-04: Dropped mirtazapine to 30 due to severe side effects. Quit Theralene. Zopiclone 7.5.2013-05 - 2013-11: Mirtazapine taper monthly 25 20 15 11 8 4 2.5 mg2013-12 Holding M at 2.5. Need to taper Zopiclone due to daytime nausea and vomiting. Taper zopiclone 1/4 red every 5 d. Last Z 2013-12-192013-12-31 M:2.5. Reinstated Zopiclone 3.75 due to Insomnia2014-01-06 M:2.5. Taper Z 1.9 ... 2014-01-14 M:2.5. Z 1 mg.Jumped of Zopiclone 01-20. Jumped mirtazapine 02-16. Theralene: 10mg 02-09. 8mg 03-09. 5mg 03-15. 4mg 03-24. 3mg 04-08. Jumped 04-21.Zopiclone free for 251 days. Mirtazapine free for 224 days. Link to comment
moodyblues78 Posted February 16, 2014 Author Share Posted February 16, 2014 Hard to tell if it helps. Tinnitus is really bugging ne today and I`m trying my best to accept it. Anxiety comes and goes all the time. 08 Cipralex 10mg for about 6 months. 11-12 Cipralex 20mg. Unsuccesful WD. 12-13 Zoloft 100mg with Diazepam 10-20mg as needed for anxiety.Fall 13 Tapering Zoloft 100->50->25->12,5->0 in 2,5 months and CT Diazepam. 12/24/13 RI Zoloft 12,5mg. 1/21/14 11mg 3/18/14 9,9mg 2/18/14 8mg 4/22/14 7,6mg 5/5/14 7,2mg 5/12/14 -> cutting 0,5mg per week, holding when necessary. 8/18/14 -> cutting 0,25mg per week holding when necessary. 10/20/2014 -> cutting 0,1mg per week, holding when necessary.12/28/2014 Jump! Link to comment
Nikki Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 I was delving more into the website you posted and realized how much GAD I really have. Described me and my symptoms exactly. I did practice what I read there which is exactly the opposite of what I had been doing unsuccessfully for years now. As soon as daylight comes thru my window I have anxiety. So rather than do 800 things to chase it away which only makes it worse I read the website, went upstairs to my room and looked around and said that there was nothing in my room that gave me anxiety. Daylight doesn't cause anxiety, it is the association I have with it. The bed didn't give me anxiety and neither did anything else in the room. I made myself sit there on the floor and told myself that daylight will arrive every morning. My shower didn't give me anxiety. It is all an association and what if thinking. I developed fears over the last 7 years and they are at phobic proportions at this point in time. Some of them are real worries. He said to say out loud what the what if/worries are. I did that too. He kept saying to float thru and retrain the part of the brain not to flee or freeze and begin breathing. Running,fleeing and distraction are the worst thing we can do during a panic episode.....All these years I simply froze and then would engage in distraction. And I still have GAD. Changes in medications don't help they hinder. I am in the middle of that too. I am going to buy his workbook. Somehow i need turn this around as it has dominated my life for a very long time. I know i am mixed up from WD, however I still need to address this. This can't be all there is to life. Are you still reading up on the link? He has video's on youtube which I will probably view for more help. Thanks again and maybe we can compare notes or what works... Intro: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1902-nikki-hi-my-rundown-with-ads/ Paxil 1997-2004 Crossed over to Lexapro Paxil not available at Pharmacies GSK halted deliveries Lexapro 40mgs Lexapro taper (2years) Imipramine Imipramine and Celexa Now Nefazadone/Imipramine 50mgs. each 45mgs. Serzone 50mgs. Imipramine Link to comment
moodyblues78 Posted February 16, 2014 Author Share Posted February 16, 2014 Hi Nikki. I read these sites: http://www.paxilprogress.org/forums/showthread.php?t=49641 http://www.paxilprogress.org/forums/showthread.php?t=49645 http://www.paxilprogress.org/forums/showthread.php?t=61627 http://www.anxieties.com/48/panic-step3#.UwDIt2J_uSp http://www.anxietycoach.com/overcoming-panic-attacks.html Yesterday I decided to stop masking my tinnitus and get to know it and accept it. Strangely I`m able to sleep with it but days are hard. Especially now when my cns is raw and red. It`s so hard to break the pattern. I`ve been running away from it and praying it to go away for the last 2 years. I need to accept it and stop fearing it. That is the only way in my opinion. Support is always welcome so lets compare notes. Thank you. 08 Cipralex 10mg for about 6 months. 11-12 Cipralex 20mg. Unsuccesful WD. 12-13 Zoloft 100mg with Diazepam 10-20mg as needed for anxiety.Fall 13 Tapering Zoloft 100->50->25->12,5->0 in 2,5 months and CT Diazepam. 12/24/13 RI Zoloft 12,5mg. 1/21/14 11mg 3/18/14 9,9mg 2/18/14 8mg 4/22/14 7,6mg 5/5/14 7,2mg 5/12/14 -> cutting 0,5mg per week, holding when necessary. 8/18/14 -> cutting 0,25mg per week holding when necessary. 10/20/2014 -> cutting 0,1mg per week, holding when necessary.12/28/2014 Jump! Link to comment
Nikki Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 I have to go to work but I will correspond with you and thank you for these posts. Time to get serious about working on this. I do need help. It was bad before meds and it is just as bad while coming off of them. My opinion is that meds can be helpful if it is the right on. Initially I had to take a medication to calm down, so that I could function and work on myself. It was helpful then. Now is another story. Intro: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1902-nikki-hi-my-rundown-with-ads/ Paxil 1997-2004 Crossed over to Lexapro Paxil not available at Pharmacies GSK halted deliveries Lexapro 40mgs Lexapro taper (2years) Imipramine Imipramine and Celexa Now Nefazadone/Imipramine 50mgs. each 45mgs. Serzone 50mgs. Imipramine Link to comment
EternalOptimist Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 It's a good reminder to not rail against these Sx tho not an easy feat. I think the tinnitus will eventually fade away given the stories on an old benzo group of recovery Tho it takes awhile. Good luck MB. 1989-2004 low doze Xanax nightly. 2004 w/d in hospital c/t with 3 other meds, (trazadone, phenobarbital, risperdal) Tapered off those meds in 7 months. 2010- bad anxiety so tried Valium and klonopin, back to hospital, came home on nothing, got much better. 12-23-2013- hospital for anxiety, depression,insomnia...used low dose lamictal 12 days with mitrazapine. Came home on 15 mg mitrazapine, down to c. 10 mg mitrazapine in c. 3weeks, 7.5 mg in 32 days.. Tapered off mitrazapine March 6, 2014. Took .75 mg April 20 and 1.05 mg April 21st. Ended taper March 6, 2014. Take supplements tho not all daily: fish oil, Vit. C., Vit. D, cal/mag, little multi, mag at night, Been taking homeopathic remedy since June, 2014 via a Homeopathic M.D. (Trained in psychiatry). 1-12, 2018 put on 60 mg cymbalta; 150 lyrica for anxiety and 50 mg trazadone. Tapered of trazadone after 3 months on it and tapered off of lyrica in about 9 months. As of March, 2019, only on 60 mg cymbalta. Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted February 16, 2014 Administrator Share Posted February 16, 2014 Are you using a masking device for tinnitus? There's no harm in that. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Nikki Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 the last link you posted is a good one too. One of the girls here purchased the program.... I will let you know what she says about it. I have a program "Attacking Anxiety and Depression" by Lucinda Bassett.....very good. Need to listen to it again. Intro: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1902-nikki-hi-my-rundown-with-ads/ Paxil 1997-2004 Crossed over to Lexapro Paxil not available at Pharmacies GSK halted deliveries Lexapro 40mgs Lexapro taper (2years) Imipramine Imipramine and Celexa Now Nefazadone/Imipramine 50mgs. each 45mgs. Serzone 50mgs. Imipramine Link to comment
moodyblues78 Posted February 17, 2014 Author Share Posted February 17, 2014 Are you using a masking device for tinnitus? There's no harm in that. Usually I am but lately it has been irritating my ears and making my tinnistus worse. 08 Cipralex 10mg for about 6 months. 11-12 Cipralex 20mg. Unsuccesful WD. 12-13 Zoloft 100mg with Diazepam 10-20mg as needed for anxiety.Fall 13 Tapering Zoloft 100->50->25->12,5->0 in 2,5 months and CT Diazepam. 12/24/13 RI Zoloft 12,5mg. 1/21/14 11mg 3/18/14 9,9mg 2/18/14 8mg 4/22/14 7,6mg 5/5/14 7,2mg 5/12/14 -> cutting 0,5mg per week, holding when necessary. 8/18/14 -> cutting 0,25mg per week holding when necessary. 10/20/2014 -> cutting 0,1mg per week, holding when necessary.12/28/2014 Jump! Link to comment
moodyblues78 Posted February 17, 2014 Author Share Posted February 17, 2014 Things I have written down in case I forget: Trust God. Do not worry. The feeling is not real. Relax. Breath. You are afraid, not in danger. Do not strain your nerves too much. Accept your feelings and the situation you are in. Take it easy. Accept uncertainty and lack of control. You have a wonderful family. You are loved. You are important. You are a good husband and father. 1 08 Cipralex 10mg for about 6 months. 11-12 Cipralex 20mg. Unsuccesful WD. 12-13 Zoloft 100mg with Diazepam 10-20mg as needed for anxiety.Fall 13 Tapering Zoloft 100->50->25->12,5->0 in 2,5 months and CT Diazepam. 12/24/13 RI Zoloft 12,5mg. 1/21/14 11mg 3/18/14 9,9mg 2/18/14 8mg 4/22/14 7,6mg 5/5/14 7,2mg 5/12/14 -> cutting 0,5mg per week, holding when necessary. 8/18/14 -> cutting 0,25mg per week holding when necessary. 10/20/2014 -> cutting 0,1mg per week, holding when necessary.12/28/2014 Jump! Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus bubble Posted February 17, 2014 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted February 17, 2014 You survived a lot. You created a great life for yourself despite all the difficulties. (after reading your introductory post...) we could add a lot more... but I will copy these for myself as well Thanks! Current: 9/2022 Xanax 0.08, Lexapro 2 2020 Xanax 0.26 (down from 2 mg in 2013), Lexapro 2.85 mg (down from 5 mg 2013) Amitriptyline (tricyclic AD) and clonazepam for 3 months to treat headache in 1996 1999. - present Xanax prn up to 3 mg. 2000-2005 Prozac CT twice, 2005-2010 Zoloft CT 3 times, 2010-2013 Escitalopram 10 mg went from 2.5 to zero on 7 Aug 2013, bad crash 40 days afterreinstated to 5 mg Escitalopram 4Oct 2013 and holding liquid Xanax every 5 hours 28 Jan 2014 Xanax 1.9, 18 Apr 2015 1 mg, 25 June 2015 Lex 4.8, 6 Aug Lexapro 4.6, 1 Jan 2016 0.64 Xanax 9 month hold 24 Sept 2016 4.5 Lex, 17 Oct 4.4 Lex (Nov 0.63 Xanax, Dec 0.625 Xanax), 1 Jan 2017 4.3 Lex, 24 Jan 4.2, 5 Feb 4.1, 24 Mar 4 mg, 10 Apr 3.9 mg, May 3.85, June 3.8, July 3.75, 22 July 3.7, 15 Aug 3.65, 17 Sept 3.6, 1 Jan 2018 3.55, 19 Jan 3.5, 16 Mar 3.4, 14 Apr 3.3, 23 May 3.2, 16 June 3.15, 15 Jul 3.1, 31 Jul 3, 21 Aug 2.9 26 Sept 2.85, 14 Nov Xan 0.61, 1 Dec 0.59, 19 Dec 0.58, 4 Jan 0.565, 6 Feb 0.55, 20 Feb 0.535, 1 Mar 0.505, 10 Mar 0.475, 14 Mar 0.45, 4 Apr 0.415, 13 Apr 0.37, 21 Apr 0.33, 29 Apr 0.29, 10 May 0.27, 17 May 0.25, 28 May 0.22, 19 June 0.22, 21 Jun updose to 0.24, 24 Jun updose to 0.26 Supplements: Omega 3 + Vit E, Vit C, D, magnesium, Taurine, probiotic I'm not a medical professional. Any advice I give is based on my own experience and reading. Link to comment
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